Love this kind of investigative stuff - Thank you!

@maulcun

2 жыл бұрын

Me too.

I once tried upgrading an Alienware R8 desktop from an i5 to a 9900k. Even with the Dell server grade fans ramping up to 3,000 rpm, it would thermal throttle. After that experience, I built my first pc, and then a second to make use of that cpu. I gave the Alienware away to a friends daughter and haven't glimpsed at a prebuilt since.

@ryanwallace983

2 жыл бұрын

I’m currently mad at CyberPower, fixing a friends PC and the latest BIOS update is from early 2020, so he’s stuck on zen+ for no damn reason Not even Zen 2 as an upgrade

@amirpourghoureiyan1637

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanwallace983 That's odd, they usually offer normal boards - what's the motherboard inside?

@ryanwallace983

2 жыл бұрын

@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 some b450 board that is custom to CyberPower I suppose I could chance flashing a different BIOS from a similar board onto it but idk how good of an idea that is

@amirpourghoureiyan1637

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanwallace983 Maybe check if it's an ASrock or ECS board? They're used a lot in OEM builds, might even be some people online that figured it out already.

Great video! Huge fan of ASRock for years. Never had issues with them and you get more for your money in many cases.

I've been wanting to see a video just like this for a long time Thank you :D

I was looking at these boards just 10 hours ago, perfect timing!

I adore Asrock's continuing trend of including lots of USB connections.

@christopherjackson2157

2 жыл бұрын

They seem to be moving the rear panel usb connectors to internal headers more than necessarily increasing the total number I think it's a good policy overall. Plugging stuff into the back of the pc is annoying. It defintiely increases the total number of usable USB connectors.

@HellNo842

2 жыл бұрын

too bad they blacklist any media (Hardware unboxed and Gamers nexus) that discover their low end boards over multiple generations have such bad vrms that's it's almost false advertising to say it's compatible with i7s

@Lead_Foot

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen their itx boards? There's like half the rear io compared to msi and asus.

@christopherjackson2157

2 жыл бұрын

@@HellNo842 all the big manufacturers have a history of stopping review samples to reviewers who provide negative opinions. Its an industry wide problem. Marketing departments are generally scum.

@TheKazragore

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherjackson2157 Asrock are particularly egregious in this matter.

real world and comprehensive, thank you for your reviews

This is great info to have, thanks Wendell

Impressive results by the asrock b660m steel legend.

Interesting stuff! Thanks for doing this and sharing it with us :).

Interesting find and video.

Well done, neat stuff.

Darn I wanted to see the MSI Mortar B660 WiFi/ MSI B660 A-Pro DDR4 get hammered and see if it's worth it's metal. Dat Min-Max Tho.

I made the misstake of putting a 5900X in a B450-F ASUS board end of last year, not a huge issue, it ran just fine but when pushed to its limits it would throttle to save the VRM's. No temp sensor for them but I imagine they where hitting 100C+... they where getting roasted! Have since upgraded to a X570S Tomahawk WiFi Max, amazing motherboard! Even if the bios is difficult to understand!

@startedtech

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think Asus has my favorite BIOS.

Never knew Sapphire made water coolers! Nice video!

I have an asus B550m A paired with i5-12600k. It seems to limit the power usage to 89w. Now i knew this would likely be a problem going in but dont need the frequency. The only reason i bought the 12600k, is because the 12600 doesnt have the E cores for this server i am building. I think the higherst all-core frequency i've seen on this thing is 4.1Ghz even with a cooler rated for 250w while testing before tearing down the old server, and this is for a light all core workload like Cinebench. For people who wanted this for high performance computing this would probably be an issue

Amazing video, as a Pro RS owner i wondered how it would do with the 13600k, which is basically the 12700k in terms of power draw. Cant wait for it to arrive

@hedgehogelite8573

Жыл бұрын

is it doing ok?

New video from L1T? Defualt-Like!

Bought a B660 Asus Pro Art Creators for my 12700F. The B660 & Z690 version of these boards are one of the best you can buy, though a expensive.

This is why I love the fact that my motherboard has a heatpipe linking multiple segments of sink to a dense finstack with two small fans on it. With my custom fan curve for the heatsink fans, the VRM stays under 55C with inaudible fan speeds and I love it. c:

Can you please do a video on ddr5 vs ddr4 general system stability? (on desktop and laptop) I have heard conflicting stories

My experience with B660 motherboards is rather limited - I built systems with the MSI Pro B660M-A Wifi and the Asrock B660 Steel Legend. I was also eyeing the Asus Prime H670-Plus because it had a lot of PCIe, USB and M.2 ports and a 8X DMI 4.0 connection to the CPU (as opposed to 4X for the B660) but I could not find one where the price is within the budget that I had. The Asrock B660 Steel Legend's USB ports are all hanging off one USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 connection to the B660 chipset. The Steel Legend has been stable and is recommended for all i3 and i5 builds. I have not tested it with i7 or i9 CPUs. The MSI is probably the best budget motherboard if you want to use i7s and i9s. The VRMs are rock steady and are thermally efficient too. For people who need to use multiple monitors, the 2X HDMI and 2X display port outputs for integrated graphics will be a big advantage as you won't need to buy a graphics card for additional video ports. Bottom line is that only a Core i3 or lesser Intel CPU does not mind some of the lower end motherboards so much. But if you are doing a build with a CPU costing $300 or more, choosing the right motherboard to get the maximum performance from your CPU is highly important.

I nominate you guys for BEST INTRO SONG!!! seriously, it's a banger!

Have you tested with some cheap heatsinks (for raspberry pis or harvested ewaste) on those VRMs for the Gigabyte mobo?

Got my GF a 12700f for $313 and the ddr4 MSI MAG B660m (the one Hardware Unboxed recommends). It holds its 4.5 all p-core boost indefinitely as it should. The board was $180 us but it also had other features we needed.

I so want your acoustic coupler.....

That aio looks pretty neat.

10:23 the ASUS B660-PLUS D4 is not the same thing as the B660M-A D4. The latter is micro ATX. The pages you showed were all for the full version while the board you had in the video was the micro ATX version.

I skimmed through the video timeline and did not see any performance graphs. Also, the "Results" section starts with the Methods section? Hardware Unboxed typically has great videos on lower tier motherboards focusing on the VRM performance.

Is there much difference between this ASRock B660 Pro RS ATX and their mATX version when it comes to the throttling issue and temperature?

Very well made video. I really like the animations showing the back IO. :)

Please add timestamps. Not everyone has 25 minutes to watch whole video. I love how HU and GN videos have clear Summary section I can jump to and get TL;DR version

@Level1Techs

2 жыл бұрын

You're right, and so I've done it! even made sure there was a TL;DR right at the end ~Editor Autumn

@BBWahoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Level1Techs Thank you daddy uwu

24:14 Remember when these companies told us that by moving the memory VRM onto the memory module would reduce board cost? Yea, i saw right through that lie

@eliotrulez

2 жыл бұрын

They do not, because they also have to develop DDR5 boards first. When DDR5 boards are mainstream then it will save some cost on the boards, but you will bleed it with every memory module you buy.

Would like to see the Msi Mortar board against the steel legend

The B660 and Z690 ASUS Pro Art Creators. Best new boards period. Also, you was right about the 6900XT. That's the OC FORMULA, which is a 6900XT.

@jamegumb7298

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer as barebones and Spartan as possible, just give me all the lanes and ports from the chipset. I do not need your onboard wifi, super soundcard, none of it. Cannot break what is not on it.

@potatoes5829

Жыл бұрын

@@jamegumb7298 I definetly agree. 4x pcie > 4x pcie worth of features

Good review. I would look for other ways to save $20-40 than pairing a K CPU with a non Z690 motherboard. Not only do the Z motherboards get you better overclocking potential with generally better cooling, they also get twice as many PCIe lanes which gives you way better connectivity and expandability options. I'm using the Asus Prime Z690-P D4 with an i7-12700K for my Unraid machine (also runs a gaming VM with 6 P cores). It has pretty beefy heatsinks on the top VRM unlike the B660 variant you showcased. I'm not overclocking at this point but the reason I went for the Z board was the extra lanes so I can add a 2nd GPU, an HBA, a USB PCIe adapter etc.

@ryanwallace983

2 жыл бұрын

Or save the money and get H670, which has nearly the same number of PCIe lanes as Z690 for $50 cheaper here in the US Wendell said the B660 Steep Legend kept up with the 12700, so I imagine the H670 Steep Legend would do the same (which is what I’m going to buy)

@yurimodin7333

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanwallace983 there is always the nonK chips paired with B or H series mobos which is usually the best bang for the $

Thanks

Would the stock cooler, allow for higher all core turbo because its cooling the VRMs

Bought i7-12700F and MSI B660M-A DDR4. Works fine for me.

I got a cheap ROG Strix B660-G with a 12400 and pushing it to 5.2ghz (1:1 CPU-RAM clock ratio) was extremely easy and it's been stable so far, but does require very good cooling.

@mariusgage5471

2 жыл бұрын

You can oc the 12400?

@sersoft_corp

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariusgage5471 yes if the board has a clock gen chip

The WiFi version of the Asus B660M-A D4 includes the missing topmost VRM heatsink 🤦‍♂️

This is not new, but why is the video blurry even at 1080p?

Is that the new Amazon Echo dot dual-speaker beside the mug?

Will be interested in AMD AM5 boards when they are coming out.

I wonder how the i5-13600K would go on the Gigabyte?

Hi Wendell, Do you know anything about the SK Hynix Platinum P41? Is it an efficient gen 4 SSD? I can't find the power draw specs for it yet. The P31 was as efficient as a 670p or H20 SSD yet all are gen 3 speeds.

in my case I base it on the cpu psu connector, if it has 8 pin +4 pin i7&i9 usage will be great, look for the VRM heatsink too

I'd also like that flux capacitor...

Which of your system boards are not made by Quanta Computer?

I know you tried to compare low-tier chipsets.. but I took away a different lesson.. this video helped me to understand, for the first time, the REAL difference between high-tier vs. low-tier chipsets.. ie. z690 vs B660

@JayzBeerz

2 жыл бұрын

also need to learn about VRM power and PCI-e lanes

it would be nice to see a mini-itx board.

Are you sure your CPU was thermal throttling on the ASUS board? What's your R23 score? I run my 12700K without power limits on a Prime Z690M Plus. Power consumption with Cinebench R23 maxes out at about 170 W and that's with VCCSA cranked up in order to get my 4 B-die DIMMs stable at 4000. I don't know why your B660M-A can exceed 200W before it thermal throttles. My CPU stays at 4700 and the score stays around 22800 which is on the high side of what reviewers were getting for the 12700K. I can get the CPU to sustain 250 W with an overclock but that's the limit of my 280 AIO for keeping the CPU below 100 degrees. Back of the board maxes out at 75 degrees in that case.

not sure if it's just me but is the audio very choppy?

Man these board are unnecessarily hungry out of the box. First thing I did with my Asus Z690P D4 + 12700KF was setting SVID behavior to 'best case scenario' to get rid of so much excess power (and heat). Running very mild OC, I'd rather keep the power, temps and noise in check than get a couple hundred more MHz. Bumped E-cores to 3.8GHz, locked down cache to 4.0, 2 core turbo 5.2, up to 7 cores 5.0 and left all core to stock 4.7GHz. CB23 I'm seeing 155-160W package power, scoring somewhere in the 23300.

thanks

Sir what is your PC case test bench ?

Hi Wendel , can you maybe test this tiny itx "Biostar Racing B660GTN", You'll be surprized :-)

I used to only run Intel.. I bought the first I.. I was religious about it.. Not a Fanboy but they always had the performance over the years so I went with them.. But I have been on AMD now for I guess 6 years and very happy.. I just did a new Build and went with a 5900X I got it for $350 on sale.. I basically got upgraded from the 5800X that I was going to buy to the 5900X.. I paired it with the 6800XT and I have no regrets.. I have everything tuned in the BIOS for max performance and SAM on and I do very well in 4K gaming now..

i have an MSI b660 tomahawk that i replaced my 12400 with a 13700k. it runs just fine but i do wish i went with a z690 originally.

The audio chipset in the Steel Legend was downgraded after the 400 series, my next board will be the Extreme 4.

Am i correct in saying the B660 does not support BCLK 100% setting adjustment, cos i cant find it. I`m using 12400, with the same Gigabyte board you using.

What do you think about 99.76 MHz BCLK instead of 100 MHz? Is it new standard?

This is quite timely, as my son-in-law is requesting B660 mainboard recommendations for a new build, thanks! (He's just getting i5-12400, however)

What happens if you slap heatsinks and a cheap fan or case fans on the cheap boards VRMs?

MSI Z690-A Pro should be considered the bar to meet for all LGA1700 boards, it has no trouble feeding a heavily overclocked 12900K(S) and has very good I/O and expansion options. A B660 worth considering is the MSI M-A (DDR4) which has quite a good VRM and sits around the $150 mark, but personally I find all these B660s have a lot of trouble competing with a $180-200 Z690-A Pro.

@davidg2731

2 жыл бұрын

Why would a cheaper board be expected to compete on the same level as a more expensive board unless you think you should get something for nothing.

this was before bios update for gigabyte

best for a 12700k is msi mortar?

What open air case is that the 12400 is in?

Asrock b660m steel legend or the Asus tuf b660m-plus wifi?

What about overclocking the i5s and i3? Is that possible?

Can you look at the VRM on the ASrock B660 itx board? It says 6 phase but I dunno

Where is the b660 ddr5 video u proposed, our good Sir Mr. Wendell; that would interesting to see. I listened to a 4hr stream by Buildzoid on all 10, 60, and 70 boards; and Yung BZ discourages using ddr5 on anything but z690 due to the exorbitant power requirements on ddr5, specifically stating b660 boards don't appear to be able to deliver. He wasn't testing, however, just reviewing the ads based upon specs and pics; so I'm just sayin some actual testing on some of them would make for some sweet content. [Wendell's voice] "WooOOOoo"

Subscribe ! This is what i need, very simple, i choose b660 steel legend. One Question, Is it possible for intel next gen raptor lake? Thanks

Where's the Mortar video? 🥺

I have yet to hear about heat production from these new processors from Intel. Greater performance is fine, but I absolutely had to switch to the m1 Apple processor in order to keep my room from heating up. Do these new processors from Intel or AMD still put out a lot of heat? Is the performance benefit worth it? My office room was burning up! After just a short time I simply did not want to be in there. No it did not have the best circulation, but that made me look for a better alternative.

@VitalVampyr

2 жыл бұрын

If you've heard about the Watts they draw then you've heard about the heat they produce.

If you want to go budget, why would you consider any DDR5 board? A review of them makes no sense for me. And if I want to spend money for DDR5 I would go with Z690 anyways.

Excellent review.

@Level1Techs

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Is the i7-12700F good for the ASUS b660 and can I use the rtx 4070 for it?

Would the Asus Prime b660M-A AC D4 slow down the i7-12700f

Hey ! I still have one of those modems ! It was awesome to upgrade from 100 baud to 300 baud back in the day. 🤣 ( p.s. I realize a large portion of your viewers will have no idea what I am talking about. )

Zombie posting here. Love the analytics 👍 However, I can understand taking umbrage with sample sizes as some level of parts lottery may apply to mobos. Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.

What AIO is that?

Looks like you where comparing prices of different Asus boards, the ddr4 a plus and the one you had are different. Asus has a bunch of different prime boards with very similar names. M A d4 vs plus d4

I got the asus B660M A motherboard with the 12700K. I am gaming tarkov on it/streaming with it and also want to record with it. (I need a new gpu) But let's not include the GPU right now, Could I still gain the full peformance of my CPU? Becouse I heard it could throuble. 18:19- 22:20. Could you fix this problem he is calling out?

Спасибо! Наконец то я нашёл то что искал.- нужную мне 😀материнскую плату

I wouldn't use the DS3H for anything other than to put a i3 in it for a Kid's PC. ASUS once again comes so close with the Prime series, but just not quite there. From some other reviews the best budget board is the MSI Pro B660.

Look at that 6900XT OC FORMULA Fire Strike graphics score. Smashed the 3090/ti.

Hey I have a question hope anyone can help, can you undervolt an i7-12700K that is paired with a B660M Mag mortar DDR4 wifi from MSI?

This same experiment should be done with AMD boards. Can the cheap-ass VRMs on basic A520 boards keep up with the power needs of a 5950X or 5800X3D?

@odizzido

2 жыл бұрын

It would be nice to have a good test. If I recall correctly, Hardware Unboxed did look at this some and the results for AMD were pretty good. Maybe it's intel's loose specs that cause it I am not sure but getting a mobo for intel is like navigating a mine field.

Currently running the 13900K on a B660 🤣. But I’m waiting for the new Z790 AORUS Xtreme X motherboard with Wifi 7 and Corsair DDR5 Dominator Titanium 192 GB max and 8000mhz max stuff soo 😆

it should be delivered today but im thinking of returning my b660 steel legend.. will the limited pcie 4.0 lanes bottleneck a rx 6750 or greater?

@Zesserie

2 жыл бұрын

not at all, I had a B450 board with a 6700XT(memory and core OC) and a 5900X, but was limited to 3.0 thanks to my board. Worked very well, and thats just with PCI-e 3.0!

I was using a b365 motherboard on a i7 9700k. and while it clearly couldn't handle that CPU it still managed for 3 years until I upgraded to Asrock Z370 motherboard. at first I couldn't believe the performance I was getting as it was boosting at speeds I wasn't used too when it was installed on my b365 motherboard. but then I tried to overclock it to 5.0ghz and just using auto voltage..it killed my i7 9700k at 1.34v volts as I was watching HWINFO it suddenly died on me. now im stuck on my old i5 9400f and the z370 that killed my trusty 9700k.

Wow i thought sapphire had shut down.

Great video, nice to see a review of ASRock Intel motherboards that doesn't get hysterical like some people down under!

@CreativityNull

2 жыл бұрын

And I don't think Wendell would get snarky and rude if someone politely pointed out a problem with his testing or how he represents the data.

Are they any system board not made in China?

Level1Techs and Hardware Unboxed speaking the same language.

H570 has more PCI-e lanes but a weaker VRM.

i noticed the gigabyte board was the only board where hwinfo showed it in c0 state 100% of the time. i wanna know how that happened.

@geraldh.8047

8 ай бұрын

Stupid BIOS default settings?

Woot!

I'm old enough to know that's a modem to the left of the mug.