Oh hey, another case of "vulnerability hoarding". The "only my feelings are relevant" type of abuse. Lovely

If my characters get hit in combat, I say “ouch” and carry on. I don’t blame the DM because combat is all about somebody taking damage due to the luck of the dice.

@CrispysTavern

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. As I said, it sucks to be yelled at for providing a compelling adventure. Off course, this is not an excuse to bully players and one-shot characters, but still. If you establish that there will be risk, there will be risk. Simple as can be.

@littlepeach2010

2 жыл бұрын

During Hoard of the Dragon Queen our Monk took one 1hp Damage and went crying to the Cleric for healing, mean while My Gold Dragonborn Paladin was on 1hp facing a mage Shouting 'come and have a go if you think your hard enough', and the Mage still had to act.

@beckmartel2421

2 жыл бұрын

I do this too but depending how bad the damage is it will range from stuff like ‘tis but a scratch’ or ‘I shall meet my maker soon.’

@Allantitan

2 жыл бұрын

@@beckmartel2421 Tis but a scratch *dies from blood loss*

Kick them now while you still actually have a friend group, people like this arent just satisfied with ruining one aspect of your life over spite a lot of the time.

OP should let them go. I don't even think they're really trying to purposely manipulate OP. But if they demand an apology when OP is not actually at fault, on threat of ending the friendship, then they're just asking too much.

All I can think of right now to the DM is: "GET PISSED!" The problem player is seriously riding on OP's gracefulness and keeps getting away with bullshit. Talking things out is not a magic wand to make everything disappear - sometimes you need to put the foot down and get serious with people lest they get the idea of walking over you. And this is a good example of 'Never Apologize'. OP did nothing wrong and shouldn't apologize. Abusive people don't just want apologies; They want your pound of flesh and will guilt you for more and more. Its better to be thankful than sorry anyways.

OP should learn to play Toon. 1) characters can't die in Toon, and 2) he could punish McEdge with anvils, holes in the ground, frying pans, steamrollers and angry neanderthals armed with rubber chickens. Better yet, he's EXPECTED TO.

@KentaroMiyamoto21

2 жыл бұрын

Is that still in print?

@alarkhar

2 жыл бұрын

@@KentaroMiyamoto21 Not sure.

@MetalHeadbanger7

Жыл бұрын

@@KentaroMiyamoto21 Sadly no it's no longer in print, but you can still buy the PDF at their website.

I have ADHD. When my doctor diagnosed me, it went like this: Doc: "You have the worst ADHD." Me: "...That you've ever seen?" Doc: "No, Im pretty sure you got it the worst." Hyperbole aside, I can focus in on a hours long D&D session. Im pretty sure McEdge just sucks.

@taylorwright7428

2 жыл бұрын

Although I do believe that if you're truly invested in the game, you'll probably be able to pay attention, I also think it depends on each person. It could be because I play in a large group, but when the DM is doing things with other players that don't have anything to do with me, I tend to get distracted or zone out. Granted, I identify more with ADD, and I tend to be more inatenttive. (Also, we play late into the night, so it happens more when my medicine eventually wears off.) McEdge still sucks tho.

I was just listening and "Annis Hag" sounds like something with a very different connotation.

@CrispysTavern

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... for the longest time, I've been trying to deduce why on God's green earth they're called that. Than again, if you've seen a pic of one, they do look like they came straight from an annis. Sooooo... fitting.

@King_Thulsa_Doom

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know about you, but I hate it when I run into an Anus Hag.

@tsifirakiehl4250

2 жыл бұрын

I pronounce Annis like the spice, anise.

@Densoro

Жыл бұрын

I legit had to pause the video, look up from Warframe, and reread the post lmao ​@@CrispysTavern If that fell out of my annis, I think I’d just give up on life lmao

I was a bit like this initially when I started roleplaying. Hated having my character in danger, hated getting hurt, constantly in fear of taking risks and complaining whenever something bad happened. I got over it... eventually, but it took a while. I'll also say that having this complaint in D&D 5e is a bit more ridiculous than it is with some other systems. Once you go down to zero HP, provided your party can heal you before you get three failed death saves, you can just get back up and start fighting again. There's a lot of other systems where going down to zero health means you're basically dead, or will result in some kind of long-term injury you need to deal with. Just seems to me like McEdge just did not have her act together.

I really needed to hear this as I'm dealing with someone who is using their mental illness to manipulate me.

Honestly one of my favorote part pf ttrpgs is creating chracters and back stories. While I won't do dumb stuff to purposely get myself killed, I understand that death is a possibility and I have an army of back-ups. I'm currently sitting with 73 characters in reserve.

Also, that fear of “losing” issue. I’m a newer player so didn’t recognize this behavior immediately but we have a player in my group like this. We played CoS, just finished and from the start, they REFUSED to go in the death house, staying outside and waiting for us alone. As a new player it seemed weird but ok, whatever. This dominoes throughout campaign and this person turned into massive PP (actually am working on writing about some of it, it’s bananas. They’re a good person but I don’t think they understand the game nor do they invest mentally in learning it, as recent as two weeks ago still not knowing what initiative is. This is due to dm trying to be nice but has deteriorated and led to a lot of shit….) ANYWAY… LAST SESSION OF CAMPAIGN we are going to strahd’s tomb, KNOW we are going there, due to outside circumstances (and PP fuck ups that had to lead to dm changing campaign and admitting we weee at end of campaign) we all KNEW this was IT…. They stayed behind because their health was “low” and didn’t want to die, prior, final big strahd battle they wouldn’t take ACTION because their health was low… and doing NOTHING. omg…. Opening can of worms…. seriously though, need to write this shit out. Probably be therapeutic.

@Yroko

3 жыл бұрын

Omg. I wouldn't have stood for that. The fog kills u. If u stay outside during death house, or touch the fog u get hurt etc and will die. Im a but of a dick, so id force the issue, have the hags torment the character for the sheer fun it tell the character eat the dream cake. Then more problems will occur and more torment. And if accused, id simply tell them, its all in the book and story, u *chose* ur adventure these are the consequences of ur lack of actions

@jesnemo2677

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yroko it was a shit show: in hindsight I get how dm tried with them to engage and also appreciate they were new (though their lack of engagement didn’t stop from CONSTANT interruptions and MEME THIS and MEME THAT). They were approached by hag with dreamcake. REFUSED to eat but given one. Eventually they did get in house but at VERY end and then used it as excuse as to why they didn’t. We were all new players aside from dm and they were trying real hard to be accommodating (I have a few more theories why they supported it so long too, nothing off putting or anything, just reasons) this player did not invest at all. Declined ANY hooks, FORGOT their name, opting to go for the first letter of it ultimately, would interrupt CONSTANTLY with pop culture references which was VERY difficult for me because I have hearing issues as well as cognitive so interruptions just like…. Destroy me… as well as immersion. That was like one of the biggest issues for me as well as them refusing to engage in fights (I think they looked at it like win or lose mentality) which sucked because we could use their buffs as bard or they would use it ridiculously, not helping party AT ALL and laughing about it but then you could tell as campaign went on, this was upwards 10 months, and everyone was getting backstories delved into but them (but only because they had NO backstory at beginning and even later when dm tried to work with them they wouldn’t) they would clearly get bored and you could see the behavior exacerbated after any other character had a pivotal moment, they’d dick off and do something completely out of character or another character’s themes or just fucked up. Like our campaign included some homebrew based on backstory and my patron ended up destroying valleki. We went to see damage but ultimately left to go back to Abbott (I think) for something. This was after I had slipped off from scouting group to sneak and follow my patron and their cult who had discarded me like trash. All I did was follow them, alone, stop, see them acknowledge and laugh at me and continue. I was careful like making sure I wasn’t going to fuck up party. Anyway, on way out of town they say “I sneak off from group and go back” dm is dubious and makes them roll and they rolled high enough. They PURPOSELY were loud enough to be caught by cult and patron then freaked out “oh no oh no I’m going to die don’t kill me” repeating this every action, much like above story(this happened several occasions through campaign), not understanding why we weren’t coming back for them, then taking on fiend’s demands and being upset it happened, which within a few sessions with more dumb stuff led to their final death. The dm at that point, knowing they were a PP gave them a NPC to play (I later found out they secretly had no intention of allowing character to come back) but used NPC out of character, admitting they played them as their dead character, fucked off again, this time in strahd’s castle, leading to the final battle when we weren’t prepared. A couple of us had woken and went to get them and confront them (using the game to talk to player that this behavior had killed one of our fellow companions) dm was in a bad spot like if he fudged shit it would be deus ex machina stupid and he wanted to teach them their actions have consequences. They still didn’t understand meta knowledge vs chat avatar knowledge and then after session things blew up a bit and their story began to change as they were finally confronted to some extent. Like I said before, I probably need to write this out, it’s like classic PP ttrpg horror story and I think dm tried to accommodate and help but player just doesn’t get player responsibility plus this started as a university club (isn’t now) so booting them would have been dicey. After the campaign breaking move (it LITERALLY ended the campaign. He had to end session halfway through because he was like “fuck” and like…. Thought we had several sessions left and it ended up wrapping up in two) he planned to address it more overtly and if they don’t change he is going to kick them. Months ago he tried by enforcing we put our character sheets on dndbeyond (because they don’t use their sheets or track their shit or know their spells and asks dm to do it or gets mad spells don’t do what name literally implies) we all did it (he immediately told me I didn’t have to in private as well as other players. It was a “nice” way to get her organized) like two sessions later they dont know something and he asks her “check your sheet on DnD beyond “oh the site doesn’t work. I’m not using it.” Which I find incredibly disrespectful to dm. Same as when he had to scramble and she did the thing at end of strahd. After session she says “well you’ll just make a new campaign for us” in which my brain broke and I snapped “because the dm lives for us and has no other life but to please us?” But yeah…. Well…. That was long.

@jesnemo2677

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yroko also dm later admitted to me in private conversation they started gentle with us since we were new and used “kid gloves” in instances, something they regretted doing for too long. Moving forward with new campaign that’s not happening as he made it clear in group as well as player responsibility. He’s a great dm and we’re lucky to have him, something I like to emphasize to our group as well as him knowing there’s a lot of nonsense out there and he doesn’t have to be playing with us. Tomorrow is first session of née campaign, my fingers are crossed and I wait with baited breath. They have a new character (obviously) and I know dm worked with them on it extensively 1:1.

@unluckyone1655

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, im a veteran player and i have lost characters before, so i know how to prepare for that personally. That being said, losing a character you have invested alot of time in is always rough, especially stings if you let your party down. Anyway, my best cope with this is to always have a new character on backup in case of character death (in one of my COS campaigns [im in two right now] if my grave cleric bites it, i have figured out how to make Solair from Dark Souls, for no particular reason). But yeah, COS is a horror campaign, its just not for everyone, and its probably not best suited for brand new players who have no idea how to play the game at all. But that's my personal opinion

Personally, I would speak to Ro first and show what Mcedge is doing behind curtains to give them a heads up that Mc is going to get the boot for these reasons. They can decide what to do after. Then boot Mc. I can't stand bullshit like that at all.

Let them go. The edgelord is a pos and Ro is kind of pathetic for just going along with them. Ro is probably brainwashed and abused by living in such close proximity to Edgelord, but you don't need a mindless follower who'll always side against you for their other "friend" around. They really aren't your friend in this and have made it very clear that OP's suffering is an acceptable casualty when it comes to their roommate. These people can and will stab you in the back if it makes their life easier. I say this from personal experience.

@peytonmac1131

2 жыл бұрын

I don't get your comment regarding Ro. You call them pathetic, brainwashed and abused, then say the OP should drop them? What kind of friend just drops another friend if they're being brainwashed and abused rather than tries to help them?

@whatteamwildcats4033

2 жыл бұрын

@@peytonmac1131 sometimes you can't help someone, and if cannot see the problem with medges behavior and is unwilling to separate herself from that person. Drop them both.

@jpjfrey5673

2 жыл бұрын

@@peytonmac1131 you're being overly sentimental. There's a great saying that encapsulates friendships: *People come and go* You'll find more, they ain't special

Cut the cord, tell Ro she is welcome to stay, and if Ro has to follow because she's a beaten emotional trainwreck of a person, well you time to start interviewing new party members.

While I understand really liking/loving your character, and not wanting them to take damage, if you feel that strongly, then avoid ttrpgs.

Honestly, as someone who has dealt with similar manipulative situations, I'd say let the OP should let them go. From what I can tell, this is very much either 1) complete BS, or 2) the player actually being too unstable to play properly. Perhaps even both. McEdge needs to go, and if Ro is going to be loyal to McEdge rather than OP, who has been very reasonable, then it is Ro's loss.

I know a little about this kind of toxicity and emotional violence and the most "nice" thing - I was the abuser. I used manipulations and tricks to force people do what i wanted and it was pretty effective for a time... now I will tell you how I ended with this behaviour: I lost most of affected friends, and those methods just didn't work on new-met people. If you thinking about using something like this for your benefit - better think another time, it will bite you in the butt.

@PrincessShiloh21

2 жыл бұрын

I respect you for your honesty :)

@eloidasarmi6815

2 жыл бұрын

@@PrincessShiloh21 If you can't admit your mistakes, how you will become a better version of yourself?)

Yet another tale from my favorite tavern! Keep it up, Crispy!

Sometimes Death, and Near-Death adds character to an experience. I mean, in my second-to-last session, my Yuan-Ti Paladin, and the rest of the level 5 group (Aarakocra Cleric, Fire Genasi Wizard, Mountain Dwarf Druid) ran into a pair of succubus who, at one point or another, mind-controlled the wizard, and then the druid, kissed my Paladin - draining them of a lot of hp, and he got knocked out thrice! Heck, we had to check the rules on Death to see if he was unconscious or dead-dead. Then there's that moment - Paladin down for third time, wizard down, Cleric had fallen - quite literally - and the druid, who had finally came back to his senses, was the only one still standing. That's when the Cleric rolled a Nat20 on their Death Save, got up, and used Mass Healing Word, reviving my Paladin and the Wizard, plus giving us some hp, and used a cloak of useful things to summon two mastiffs. Granted, we were low on hp, out of spell slots, but they too were low on hp, and we outnumbered them six to two now. My Paladin took out the one called Red - we'd been having the Dance of Death through the battle, comparing our respective blows to kisses and such - She gave him a Dying Declaration of Hate, and then the other one, called Black, decided to leave. Here's the thing, the DM was concerned that it might be a deadly encounter - and to be fair, it was tricky - I only had 1 level-2 spell slot due to a prior encounter with ghosts before the group had taken a short rest to heal up, and then there was the mummy trio we'd fought just prior, which ate up a few more things, like my Paladin's Lay On Hands to help out the Cleric. Well, we were battered and bruised, but we won the fight.

I can see saying "im sorry but..." In the case of when someone doesn't have the power to change the situation and they're just the messenger

"Wood elf ranger who grew in the...." que me spitting my coffee laughing

- enter " I've seen this hunting before " meme, when I hear mindflares-

"Who taught you to bone if you're living alone in the Underdark?" I took that personally.

Into - he's just bloody lucky it wasn't a Drop Bear...

OP is still in the right, but I can't help but wonder if their apology for the avoiding behavior was accompanied by a "but". :P "I'm sorry for avoiding you last night but I was really irritated by your behavior." or something. In which case they really don't have a leg to stand on being annoyed by their obnoxious friend making an apology with 'but' also. In any event, it's not a healthy friendship, I would probably talk to the other players about the issue first, because there's a chance they wouldn't leave the game if "McEdge" left the game. And if they did, they weren't really friends so no great loss, OP should definitely let manipulative trash girl go :p

OK.... I am normally anxious playing DnD cuz of how attached I am with my character but that makes it interesting and fun. Last session my tortle druid was fighting a Adult Dragon and I was hit alot, I was nervous and freaking out trying to move, heal and keep the party going in this intense battle but I never berated the DM over it cuz it raised the stakes and if I made a Barbarian whom is a frontline tank I'm not gonna say "Nah I'll be in the back cuz I'll get hurt" cuz Barbarians can half damage when raging, hit harder and they have a LOT of stuff that encourages getting hit and stuff, Heck there's a subclass that makes you as immortal as Kratos so if you die, you get back up cheaply or keep fighting even tho you have 0HP. McEdge is a grade A vineyard cuz all they produce is Whine

love the channel, and your work, always afriad im "that guy" being a DM for years i have not played that much

Ah. As a ball of anxiety getting their sh*t together slowly I see a lot of familiar things in McEdge. So. Reach out to Edge sincerely with the offer to actually talk about whats bothering them so much and if you can reasonably help. And if they decline and continue to blame you for their mental health then leave. Its up to themselves to ultimately get better. And if Ro goes too thats also on them. Ro will probably have to make the same offer and choice.

Ro sounds like she was aware that McEdge was a problem as she was unwilling to "go behind his back to play." That smacks of wanting to avoid a confrontation with someone she knows will initiate the confrontation if she doesn't take his side. A lot of this sounds like the entire party needs to have a serious sit down and address the problem. McEdge will, of course, become defensive and insist that everyone is just ganging up on him, but the other players need to have that moment to realize this guy is not good for the group both in and out of game. I'd want Ro to know that she's valued by the group, which I don't think she sees beyond her discomfort with McEdge.

Not D&D related, but I kinda needed this advice right now - thanks, Crispy!

Edge might be narcissist, they are doing grazy things like that.

Yet another 'problem' put on blast and the absolute rightfulness in all ways of the established party upheld! Well done. But seriously though, that little 'apology' lecture? That right there is why nobody likes apologizing.

My take on this situation is pretty simple. This player is really tense about the prospect of their character dying. So bend the rules, to ensure that their particular character is not dead. Like make a house rule for this particular character that when dropped unconcious, they don't roll death saves and are automatically stable. They obviously lose a chance to regain conciosness on a nat 20 for this, but this ensures they are not dead unless this is a TPK. And other players can opt into this rule if they want. I totally get that the thrill of your character possibly dying makes the game more exciting for most people. But this does not mean this is the only "correct" way to play, and anyone who are disstressed by the idea of losing a character is playing it wrong. Especially if YOU are interested in keeping this player at the table - make some accommodations.

Hearing all the horror stories only make me want to dm more. They're like, tutorials for how to shut down bullshit. Like yasss Krispy, give me the tools to be a competent dm

One thing I negotiated with one of my DMs was that my character could be permanently disabled but wouldn't die (unless it was to the BBEG or in some other cinematic moment). My reasoning was that I was invested in my character having a happy ending, but, "He's disabled and has to learn to go back to his loving family and give up on his dreams of fame and fortune and learn to be content" counted in my mind as a potential happy ending, so the DM agreed that if he ever went down and technically died, I'd just send him home instead. Another DM gave me a magic item that automatically stabilizes my character if they go into death saving throws after they very nearly died once and I kinda freaked out, so I know that unless the entire party wipes, my character can go down but is extremely unlikely to actually die. Again, it was something my DM was willing to work with me on after seeing how invested I am in my characters (and that campaign isn't one where we expect to lose characters, so it was a good fit for that particular scenario). The one time I've had a PC die, the DM let my character make a warlock pact in their final moments to be restored to life and let me re-stat them as a Sorlock and bring them back as this semi-undead fallen version of their former self (they were an aasimar). There's a lot of potential solutions out there for players who don't want to lose characters. (Of course, no shade on OP here, because the REAL horror story here is how manipulative the edgy player was after the whole incident. There's no negotiating with manipulative assholes. I'm just saying, for similar problems with players who ARE willing to be reasonable, there are solutions.)

From my experience a lot of people don't actually realize that they are being manipulative. Much like how a lot of That Guys don't actually realize they are being That Guy. How to go about confronting people like that is kinda tricky because they will likely feel like their feelings are being invalidated or then beat themselves up over how their problems are causing problems for everyone else because a lot of those people seem to have anxiety issues and the like. I personally take the customer service approach and just take blame for something that isn't my fault but try to point out how they can do things to avoid confusion next time. A perfect solution? I doubt it, but I don't know of any better one I can pull off without cutting off the person from my life when I enjoy having them around when they are not like that.

Oh my god this hits me harder than any other rpg horror story I've seen on any channel. I tend to react exactly like OP when I'm distressed and I lost my best friend because she did the EXACT SAME THING TO ME (although it was not over dnd but over the fact that she criticised everything I like because "it's problematiiiic" (we were talking about Bleach y'all)). Seriously, OP is not at fault here, and should absolutely cut their relationship with McEdge before it gets even more distressing. It took me two months of groveling and taking the blame and beating myself up before I realised I was not the problem, and I sincerly wish OP won't go through that. Your group and your life will be better off without McEdge, I promise!!

Using mental health issues against anyone is really a toxic excuse no matter if it's real or not I've started to get out of the habit of being a door mat and my eyes have been opened I'm not there to cater to bs no one is no one should be if you use your mental health issues against anyone in any way shape or form your a bad person there's no excuse for abuse

That guy just wants to play on peaceful mode

OP should talk to the rest of the group. See how they feel to. It would suck to lose two players for the action of one but if this one is a problem then it’s best to drop them.

We have a few friends that go to a church, they did a christmas cute award thing and because hes totally 2 cars via MASSIVE kangaroos decided to scream "YEETITH" as their freakishly buff bodies jump in front of his car as a challenge.... His award was the "wildlife warrior" award 😂

Yeah, putting up with a bad/toxic player is not worth it to keep a good player. Like petting a rabid dog, because it's cute

“Who taught you to bone, mind flayers?” **NO SHUT UP SHUT UP**

I'm afraid the best thing to do is to let them go. Their behavior is completely unacceptable, and taking the blame yourself will only enable them to keep going, and I can guarantee that it will get much, MUCH worse! As for Ro going too, that is the sad thing. It's hard to see good players go, but I can understand them not wanting to go behind their friend's back. Let Ro know that you value them as a player and a friend, and don't want to see them go, but that you respect their decision and that there's no hard feelings if they go. As for the sister NPC, it sounds like that character could play a very interesting part in the story later down the line, and maybe trouble player's character could also be replaced by an NPC to keep that storyline alive, should the remaining players choose to continue on this story. Best of luck.

the incident with the kangaroo is more common then one might think i need to watch out of them on the way to work, one of the trucks at my workplace (and im talking big industrial trucks) got the front massively damaged from hitting a Kangaroo

This story was good. I will now take my leave to adventure on to delve in a dungeon.

For all we know McEdge could be using the same mind games on RO. and this is why she would leave if he left.

I play as im winning in all aspects the point in D&D is working together to overcome problems and puzzles. If I died in the game I hope it creates more backstory for my party members. Yes it does suck to lose a character you spend time with but its not like you can't generate another character

You can't fix the world, let her go, and if her friend wants to go too, then let her too, what she is doing is enabling this toxic behavior, even though she probably sees it as loyalty. It is helping no one, focus on your other players, to let the toxic one go, you save them a lot of hassle too, 'the needs of the many, before that of the few'.

If anyone’s wondering, I wouldn’t be surprised if that kangaroo survived.

Blah my ex was like this, they missed 2/3 attack rolls and kept complaining and groaning and bitching that their character was completely useless and how they're gonna quit the game if they don't roll better, fact is they were playing a homebrew class and race (after the DM said no homebrew) and did like 50-60 damage every turn most of the time, and now that they were just doing like 20 damage each turn, they were seriously pissed. After they killed an adult red dragon by themselves, you'd think they'd realize their character wasn't useless... But they'd still complain. They'd also get frustrated and swear and berate people (usually me), following up later by the excuse "I'm passionate when it comes to D&D"

@Ashtari

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of this one player we had to kick. He somehow managed to get his entire sense of self worth tied up with his dice rolls. To the point where he’d be convinced both he and his character was useless. Major example, his plan to lure an adult white dragon out of it’s lair with a fireball from stealth backfired due to a poor roll on his part. He then became a whiny child the whole session, despite his divination wizard’s portent being the sole reason why the paladin survived and managed to ruin my “How do you want to do this?” moment. And it’s a moment I will likely never have again because I managed to roll a triple crit thanks to Elven Accuracy, the dm rule of cooled it so I did triple damage. And that was only ONE of many examples of his behavior.

I live in semi-rural Australia, only an hour from the nearest city centre (2nd biggest city in the country) and I can absolutely confirm the danger of hitting a kangaroo on the road. Even where I am it's a serious risk if your driving at night or dusk/dawn. Eastern grey kangaroos are about the same size and weight as a deer, so think about that for a US/European context. Not quite as bad as hitting a moose or elk, but still up there in car-destroying territory.

I can relate with the one where the player would get upset if they got hit and took damage. I'm in a group that had one of those kinds of players in our last campaign, exclaiming "racism" every time they got targeted by an attack. This player did so much other stuff that I wholely believe they are a problem player, but sadly any talks that the DM or other players had with them didn't do much of anything to change the player's behavior and the DM won't remove them.

D&D is a game about resource usage, and HP is a resource. Yes, you should try to avoid losing it as much as possible, but it's also something you use to, say, save another party member by putting your character at risk. But more importantly, and beyond D&D, that kind of manipulation is an instant "I will no longer interact with you on anything more than a cordial level." Anyone who uses suicide as a point of leverage is either absolute scum or beyond anyone but a professional's ability to help. In either case, you have to cut them off from any deep contact. This might mean cutting them off completely.

There’s a good quote from SAO 2 about it just being a game so man up and risk dying.

To hell with ro if this guy is a problem tell the group and then kick them. If to wants to play give them a way to without them, if not the drop them both, eventually they will get the message.

Let them go, if Ro is a good player she'll come back. If not well you'll find better players.

If McEdge was my player, I’d take a night to reorganize encounters for one less player, then have them ported to a safe space at the beginning of combat or any other stressful situation. Nothing can hurt them there, and the enemies would be one hit die marshmallow peeps that explode in showers of gold coins. He’s safe, he’s rich, he can level up, but he only gets to roleplay with the party. Can’t share his magic gold or things bought or anything. He gets everything he wants, and the party can play. He’d complain but he has literally everything he wants, and he’s winning, so shut up dude. I’m only sorta joking.

A kangaroo? That is new one.

This is my two-cent, couch therapist take but it sounds like McEdge has horrible control issues and any time something happens to their character which is out of their control (getting attacked, walking into a trap, having a family member kidnapped) they lash out. The way they would demand instant breaks also sounds like a way to control the situation. McEdge sounds really unwell, but that doesn't excuse their awful behavior or blaming the DM for their mental health problems. I hope they take a break from TTRPGs to work on their issues and come back when they are able to play without the fear of losing their character and the anger when things don't seem to go their way.

Caring about your character is great, shows that you values it, and it's relationships, but as you've said, you can't get angry because the character got damaged, it's stupid, you're playing a game with friends, and said game has highs and lows, you're not doing a no damage Speedrun ao stop being childish and accept that your character isn't perfect My first time ever playing a tabletop RPG was a really great experience, I've never felt such a strong bond with my friends, they're already like brothers to me, but what really made me like the campaign was seeing them evolve their characters, and seeing our hardships, one of our encounters almost TPK'ed half the party because we were INCREDIBLY DUMB me (human fighter), tiefling barbarian and ahzimar rogue got trapped by some runes while our bard and ranger had to deal with a close quarters enemy, but I wasn't going to let them die, I had to do something, and at my turn, I tried to hit the rune under my feet with my sword because it had a corrosive enchantment, that I expected it would damage the rune and free me, but after failing a couple dice rolls what actually happened is that the damage were deflect straight at my character's body, so now, our ranger and our bard (our only healer) are in imminent danger against a foe, our fighter is literally dying, and it's the barbarian turn, what is he doing? Surely he wouldn't make the same mistake, right? Well, actually, he straight up tried to break the barrier (not the rune, like I did) with his fire axe, didn't worked, and he lost his arm, and then, the rogue also tried to damage the barrier and got hurt. Long story short, the rogue managed to break the barrier through intelligent use of one of his skills that I don't remember and no one died, not even my fighter Moral of the history? These situations are integral to a rpg to be memorable, no history would ever be good if everyone ALWAYS wins, our almost TPK changed our characters, and made up for some great background for them at another campaign we had years after this one, wounds and scars make a character interesting, defeat makes them wiser, and I don't understand how me with my self insert character (I never really minded self inserting myself in my character because they're usually a part of me already, so, no, I do not make Mary sues, I make a character with my good parts, but also my bad parts, like, they're socially awkward, they're indecisive and sometimes even overprotective, so don't mind inserting yourselves at a game, as long as you make sure to make it feel like a real human being, and not some flawless Bethesda character) have a better understanding than many "experienced" players around the world Sorry for the extremely long commentary, I just wanted to tell this history and vent out how much I dislike overprotective players

I only scream fuck if i’m low on health, not throw a world class hissyfit when i take a hit

If someone does that kind of manipulation, blaming you for their problems, tell the other players about it. Let them know it's not okay to use their problems as an excuse to beat everyone else over the head with; I bet Rowe would stay on if they knew this shit was going on. Usually you know if you're being a shitty person, you can feel it in your gut when you cross a line. If you weren't causing harm deliberately, and were even trying to accomodate their toxic behavior, then cut them loose. Whatever they do afterward or however they deal with their issues, you don't HAVE to be a part of it, and it is NOT your fault. Many people have mental issues especially these days but very few of them use their crutches to beat someone else over the head with, so to speak. Fuck that person, what a shitty thing to do.

Fracking roos.

Oof. In every game I've played in for any significant amount of time, it's been the GMs who have been really squeamish about character death, to the detriment of the story. I've had numerous close calls where I suspected dice were fudged to save my character's life, and one instance of actual character death that was immediately reversed literally seconds later (a combat round or two) by a deity. Once, in a Star Wars game, my character lost an arm in a particularly brutal combat, only to have it re-attached a session later instead of getting a prosthetic like... you know... everyone in Star Wars. I've always made it clear that I am open to negative consequences for my characters and I love the roleplay opportunities they can bring, but I've never had the chance to play in a game where it didn't feel like there was an invisible safety net. Even the most vindictive GM I ever dealt with pulled his punches -- then again, in the way things were going in that game, death might've been a mercy for my character. 😬

i was in a situation like this. this video actually hit a little too close to home- i was the DM for a 3 year long game that ended because my players rage quit after a npc got a nat20 against them. like i wish there was more to it, that the npc getting a nat20 meant their character would die, or even if the nat20 wasn't avoidable (the player could make people reroll nat20s), or maybe it had been a long session and the player was getting annoyed with npcs getting good rolls but thats it. the npc got a nat20, so he left the call and didn't join back. the other player didn't want to keep playing because he was acting like that and after 3 years of things like that plus other bs i agreed and the game ended. come a few weeks later and said player is making me feel bad for ending the game and blaming me for it ending. it got to the point where no amount of conversation could fix things and i had to choose between my mental health and staying friends with him. i hope no one is ever in that situation because losing friends or your sanity over a DnD game feels pretty painful. i think OP should let them go. if their friend also leaves then they leave. at the end of the day OP doesn't deserve to be manipulated and their friend should leave the game if its causing them this much suffering.

OP should let them go. If McEdge is doing this they are no friend and as much as it might hurt to lose Ro, Ro is enabling McEdge's behavior. Better to defuse the landmines than to hope you survive stepping on one. Also, D&D is a game that involves combat, which means taking damage. If you fear losing characters that much you might want to play something else.

the starting post is just Australia in a nutshell

If dnd is making their mental illness worse it would be good for them to be removed from the harmful situation even if you lose their main enabler too.

Funny I can be at that guy but there have been sessions when I've had characters also die and scrapping every inch of ground and doing everthing from biting and throwing dirt to breaking items to cause magical feedback as much as I love power fantasy I've found there's something about getting in your characters head and just fighting till the end you know is coming it just trills me

This game attracts the most amazing whackos. For the sake of not offending or rocking any boats you Seppos seem to put up with a lot of crap that I have never seen tolerated at a table in New Zealand.

Kick them out. They are a liability to you're life rather than an asset. Liabilities are things that deminish your life to a degree, where assets are positive. Keep as little of these liabilities in your life. Mcedgelord is definitely a liability you don't want in your life for long

DM: By the way, dying is legit consequence that can happen in this game. Players: Cool. **many sessions later** Player: This is so unfair! I didn't think I could actually die in this game! this sucks, I would have never agreed to go along with this game for so long! And why I am I being punished? why is the bbeg going after me?! Its not like I did anything to him besides doing the point of the campaign, why is he targeting me?! DM internally: *wtf* My god, it's like signing a terms of service with these people, we never really had a chance as adults. *the commenter says with sarcastic grin.*

I remember someone who told me anything before "but" is just bullshit

Manipulating the DM. Sounds like a good move to loose at D&D.

2:41 No. I can TASTE the edge

@JD-mh8be

3 жыл бұрын

Lucky bastard I accidentally cut myself from the edge

That's a bit like having a relationship with someone with bps.

If that was a player in my game I would start ridiculing them. I would prepare a special die with only 1s and 0s to roll for damage against her and if it hit, I'd be like "Aw naw, lil baby got huwt". Every npc would either be rude as fuck or treat them as the brat that they are. Also fuck her breaks, everyone should want it, not only special baby rogue. Wear a diaper if you need it.

Waah owie I broke a nail.

I would actually love a montage of flashbacks showing mini McEdge being taught the art of seduction by Mindflayers. Mindflayer: And remember squidling , the best pick up line ever invented is… McEdge: MINDCONTROL! *Mindflayer ruffles their hair affectionately* MF: Heh heh, you got it kiddo.

Oh yeah kangaroos are solid, hitting one can total your car like that.

@360entertainment2

Жыл бұрын

Just like with deer!

Wait. I’m not done yet but at 12:00 and when OP received wall of text from PP where they were “no longer invited to their home.” Weren’t they roommates with another player? So what’s the deal about “things happening” it all seems like manipulation but I should shut up and listen to rest but this part bugged me a ton, enough to stop and post this.

I feel really bad for Ro, I understand their pain and position, but you have to let McEdge go.

I kinda empathize with the "problem player" here tbh. (Well, I empathize with them AT THE TABLE. The rest of this shit is not ok. I only care to comment on the attachment to a character thing though.) I run games where death is rare, but only possible as a "your consequences will eventually need to have actions" thing. Some systems I run don't even have it. I don't like it as a player either. I seek out games where death is rare. I also feel like there's a kind-of stigma against low/no death games in D&D community specifically. I've seen some no-death systems I enjoy get smeared as "the game is too easy" or "the game has no consequences" by people who've never even tried it. I definitely think there's too much of a push in TTRPG community by and large to get new players to accept death as a consequence instead of encouraging people to play in/run games where it isn't. Angry GM actually has a really good blog post on this. He calls it "Schrodinger's PC." If a character is dead, he has the player roll in secret and tell him the outcome. Not even he knows what it is, and the player is free to answer if the character dies. He does note that there is no pressure for the player to even be honest. The truth is, if someone's attached to the character they're playing, and you as the GM KNOW losing their character will make them drop the game, this is a good solution.

@pavelZhd

2 жыл бұрын

Totally aggree. I am totally appaled by the amount of hate that is going towards the players that don't want their characters to die. Sure, the possibility of death spices up the game, but why should everyone enjoy this spice? If some players are stressed by this possibility of death, why shouldn't they be able to play without this stress?

@MidoriMushrooms

2 жыл бұрын

​@@pavelZhd it was actually my biggest reason for not playing TTRPGs for a long time. I tried to get into them back when people played 4E and... my first experience was uh... probably its own horror story haha. But the general sentiment I got from TTRPG players for a long time was effectively, "This is now forum RP, there are actual consequences for your actions here. If you just want an escapist fantasy, go elsewhere." And other such elitism... It's unfortunate that my early experiences were so negative that they drove me away from the game for 7 years. I don't agree with how the player in this story treated people out-of-game but I do empathize with them on this one point because of my own early experiences. :/

It’s D&D OF COURSE YOU’RE GOING TO TAKE DAMAGE

If you’re going to play a game, you’re going to need to have a challenge in order to actually make the game fun. This rings true for tabletop role-playing games as well as just video games in general. If there’s no challenge then what’s the point of playing the game. Honestly if you’re going to get up in arms about character death, don’t play tabletop role-playing games. Just a thought. On a sidenote the problem player in this story really rubbed me the wrong way because they use their own mental illness as a way to get whatever they want. There’s only one way this could go if you keep them around. And that’s usually worse. Get rid of them now, before they really start causing damage in your friend group. Speaking of somebody that actually has a quoteon “mental illness, mild depression. I don’t let that get in the way of whatever I wanna do, I also don’t use that to hold over someone’s head. I find that baby behavior really repulsive, so I try I try to avoid it.

Let them go? Or give them another chance to act like a total ass knowing they will do so unapologetically, nor would they look to fix themselves or the situation and instead try to manipulate and guilt trip others all because of a reason as small as characters doing what they are supposed to (get hurt fighting bad guys)? Bye Felicia.

Why does it feel like McEdge is my dads gf? Seems like the same person XP

Roo ruins role playing session

Just drop that-guy and if 1 (good) player drops with him - tough cookie, it is better to have 3 good players, then 4 good players and that-guy.... It is for ALL people involved and ifthat one good player would insist onbringing that-guy along, then...Well, you got chicken for dinner. You can take fries with it, but if you do- cook willalso shit all over your plate... So, do you want chicken alone, or chicken with fries?

One question I am not a native English speaker, when OP says “they”, OP is referring solely to edge and not to edge and rouge?

This might sound bad but I kinda get Edge player. Not all of the toxic behavior but the severe fear of your character dying. I don’t create characters that “love the heat of battle” and all that. None of them would be happy to die before their time and their story would be incomplete if they died before the campaign is over. That, to me, is not a good story it’s just unfinished. I also don’t even know how to begin reintegrating a new character into an already established group and I can already feel I would suck at it. Especially when I probably don’t care about the second character as much as the first. Getting hit is inevitable in D&D but dying is something I do hate when playing.

If you have to ask if a player should be kicked or not, chances are, they need to be kicked.

McEdge! 🖤🙍‍♀️🤘

you can technically lose in D&D if it is a TPK at that point you might as well just start anew

When you're playing Monopoly and one of the players doesn't want to pay rent or sell properties when they're doing poorly, they either pay rent or they lose the game and don't get to play in the next game, easy as that. Why would I want to play Monopoly with someone who wouldn't be okay with losing? I'm sure as heck willing to take that loss when I get bad rolls and the fun of the game is all the times you stave off losing, managing to either have a comeback victory or go down all guns blazing. The best thing you can do for a problem player who is trying to be emotionally manipulative is give them a good hard boot in the rear. They can come back to the table when they are ready to play the game. If they have problems that would interfere with their ability to interact with other people without losing control of their emotions, they need to handle those problems first. Ignoring their own issues and trying to make others suffer for it is gross misbehavior and they'll just continue to make life bad for everyone else until they get it sorted, so trying to be sympathetic and letting them continue to misbehave is holding the problem player back from learning their lesson. If they want your help directly solving the problems in their life and you want to do so and whatever risks that carries don't outweigh the possible reward to you, sure, help them get their life sorted, but don't let them avoid their problems by hiding in the world of fantasy.

Yep time to cut the canser and make it clear to the other players why this is happening. This seems to be a theme Problem players know they have the ability to take away a good player so they think they have the situation in hand. It's time to get the group as a whole in on this and make sure that if Ro leave, then Ro know EXACTLY why she is being forced to leave and whose actual fault it is.

Calling it already - those detailed descriptions of all players will be proven pointless.

@CrispysTavern

3 жыл бұрын

*sigh* They usually are. Ah well, nothing to be done.

*place down thoughts* okay you stay here now