Magnus Forced to Answer Tough Personal Questions 🌶️
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We got the GOAT, Magnus Carlsen, to finally sit down under the lights to do a round of Lie Detector Chess with none other than his best friend and grandmaster, David Howell.
Produced by Askild Bryn and Jakob Aavik
Polygraph Test Administrated By Ørjan Hesjedal
Edited by Vladimir Isaenko
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Chesscom never fails to milk Magnus
@kinjalghosh3350
18 күн бұрын
But Wait.....💀
@tickeshwarbabu2741
18 күн бұрын
nah u dont get a say on this Levi
@idontknow1234
18 күн бұрын
Magnus is literally your source of money and you milk Magnus like 90 percent of the time bro 😂😂
@hermit25
18 күн бұрын
hopefully the ad revenue will still be great now that the candidates are over
@Arhan893
18 күн бұрын
The Irony
Next episode: Lie detector test with Magnus Carlsen and Hans Niemann...
@TuxikCE
18 күн бұрын
or with Kramnik 😂.
@navneetmodi5192
18 күн бұрын
@@TuxikCE hikaru and krammik
@deepskywest3633
18 күн бұрын
Machine will blow up
@bigschn0se541
18 күн бұрын
Hans dodges that shit like its an post game interview
@quintonperry9868
18 күн бұрын
😂
Magnus watches Hikaru to root against him 😂😂😂
@yigitkabaday3179
18 күн бұрын
I was expecting that tbh, not really surprising.
@pacov.8300
18 күн бұрын
Haha, I'm glad that he said that. Makes me feel less of a terrible person for watching the Botez sisters only to root against them. 😂
@englishmuffinpizzas
18 күн бұрын
I'm sure Hikaru takes that as a complement
@wealthysecrets
18 күн бұрын
@@englishmuffinpizzas either way Magnus is a fan. 😆
@billj4525
18 күн бұрын
@@yigitkabaday3179 Why though? I can understand if it was in games where they were playing in the same tourney or if it affected Magnus. I find it funny he's rooting against him in completely random blitz games though. That's hilarious to me though, I love it.
Magnus hatewatching Hikaru streams wasn't on my 2024 bingo card lmao
@billj4525
18 күн бұрын
That's hilarious he watches Hikarus videos just to root against him in random online blitz games. Omg that's so funny.
@2608alice
18 күн бұрын
What a great fanfic idea he's given
@ThatGambitGuy
18 күн бұрын
Haters watching are technically considered fans
@be4st856
18 күн бұрын
in a weird way, it's an acknowledgment, which can be reduced to a sign of respect. it's mainly funny though, because despite the overwhelming difference in their resumes, hikaru owns a little bit of property in magnus' head. whether thats truly due to jealousy, pure dislike, or genuine respect (since you would not want to see your rival win), it's hard to say.
@elonif4125
17 күн бұрын
@@be4st856Im 90% sure that Magnus dislikes Hikaru on a personal level
Magnus trying to control his heart rate to beat the test is such a Magnus thing too do !
@eyyeXug
18 күн бұрын
the tester knowing that is impressive too. What a pro.
@imightbebiased9311
18 күн бұрын
Danny said he figured he could do it, too, which is why he was amped for this content.
@billj4525
18 күн бұрын
That why it wasn't accurate though. His heart rate was all over the place, and it was giving him inaccurate results.
@adamjeffs7515
18 күн бұрын
@@billj4525 And that is one of the many reasons lie detectors are bullshit
@__-mp7om
18 күн бұрын
@@billj4525oh really?
Nice.
@chess
18 күн бұрын
Anish up next?
@iamaduck_9552
18 күн бұрын
yessir
@user-yv2uv1il3g
18 күн бұрын
You happy he called you smart?
@kirito5547
18 күн бұрын
Hi gustaf
@mathcat4
18 күн бұрын
Hello Mr. 140 IQ
14:24 "dont ask the question if you'll not like the answer" magnus is a menace 😂
@jacobwatson3781
18 күн бұрын
Well the answer was a lie.
@shankarnarayanankrishnan
17 күн бұрын
Magnus " The Menace" Carlsen
@kimaboe
17 күн бұрын
David getting punished for his lack of ambition and time management again here :p
"Becoming one of the best chess players in the world is not easy, there are other areas where you can be worse at something and have an easier life" - Magnus Carlsen 2024 (17:28)
@bogdananicescu6051
18 күн бұрын
Words of wisdom
@surajsahu5821
18 күн бұрын
Being best in anything is always so hard!!
@Fel_24
18 күн бұрын
This deep tough
@DPME820
18 күн бұрын
@@surajsahu5821 And on top of that, to maintain ur record for global legacy is even harder. Poor Magnus, why must we pressurize him so much?!
@Micas099
18 күн бұрын
Ya.. that was rather profound. For Magnus, he really didn't have a choice though. The world's greatest in anything have something in them that allows for no other path.
Levy never fails... oh no sorry, wrong channel
@commentor4299
18 күн бұрын
now he only commented that
@sachinlamichhane644
18 күн бұрын
🤣🤣
@DPME820
18 күн бұрын
lol
@festusobasa1182
18 күн бұрын
😂
@lakshya4876
17 күн бұрын
Relatable😔
The world wants to see the Hans Niemann lie detector test. "Did you cheat against Magnus?"
@artistejiro
18 күн бұрын
He says "No" then the other guy says "He's lying" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Maxtor-ve5nu
18 күн бұрын
@@artistejiro "Are the beads in you right now?" "No" "He's lying"
@Qsen123
18 күн бұрын
Chess organizers and magnus would lose face so they will never do it
@NorthStar2004
18 күн бұрын
😂@@Maxtor-ve5nu
@robertluong3024
18 күн бұрын
"he's telling the truth, but I sense there's something more inside him"
"Magnus is trying to beat the test". I swear goat be doing his own things 😂
@zxbc1
17 күн бұрын
And it's not that hard either, much easier than being GM at chess. Polygraph is notorious in producing both false positive and false negative in large numbers and also highly manipulative by the examiner. The APA has very skeptical language warning about polygraphs being used for anything, and polygraph results are not admissible in most courts. Magnus is good at poker, and a good poker player should be able to consistently beat the polygraph with just a little bit training.
@TitaniumTurbine
10 күн бұрын
@@zxbc1 100% on the first part and mostly on the last part. A good poker player must be able to control their voice/tone, words, movements, gestures, show of breathing, and expressions - everything that is of face value. With a polygraph exam, more subconscious tells are introduced such as micro tics/twitches, heart rate, breathing rate, etc… things that can be harder for some to hide even with training/practice. Polygraphs are notoriously erroneous (as you stated), but unless you have one to practice with and even then… you might not be able to discover all your tells.
14:10 That "Yeah ..." Don't need a lie detector to know that wasn't true.
@droidgeist
18 күн бұрын
So high-pitched.
16:35 hikaru hate watcher
Nah I feel for David these questions are way too brutal 😭😭😭
@imightbebiased9311
18 күн бұрын
He got bodied from QUESTION 1! lololllll Levy and Danny were much more wholesome. :D
@footballuniverse6522
18 күн бұрын
and this is why we love Magnus, pure 100% dry honesty lmao
@lordmusea
17 күн бұрын
Magnus is, and always has been, a jerk. Kindness isn’t required of a world champion, however.
@zxbc1
17 күн бұрын
@@footballuniverse6522 Polygraph results are absolutely garbage. That's why they're not admissible in court in vast majority of places and even when they are, both sides have to agree first. Also the examiner basically has a huge discretion in interpreting the result, it's literally him deciding arbitrarily within a very large range of readings. I can't believe how many people take these results seriously.
@KatoYutobe
17 күн бұрын
@@zxbc1 Learn a thing or two about polygraphs. if done properly, the results are over 90% accurate
Magnus at the end was very self-aware when he said sometimes he lies to himself. That means he gave answers that he thought were truthful, but they came out as lies - very cool that he was reflective about that.
@greenonions23
18 күн бұрын
How do you know whether it is true or not?
@billj4525
18 күн бұрын
@@greenonions23 Some of his answers he had talked about before. You can tell that the test was pretty inaccurate on several of his answers. I mean that's to be expected. They aren't always very accurate, and sometimes they're way off.
@merluzacongelada5361
18 күн бұрын
I took it more like a "I managed to beat the test" sort of deadpan sarcasm. He told the truth but managed to confuse the machine enough for it to come across as a lie.
@frankhungch
18 күн бұрын
@@merluzacongelada5361 yeah yeah magnus always wins since he's the best at everything right?
@merluzacongelada5361
18 күн бұрын
@@frankhungch Uh? He's known for his deadpan sarcasm and it was stated that he was trying to beat the test, which is relatively easy to achieve if you know what you're doing. Now knowing all of this, if you still don't think what I said is at the very least reasonable maybe that's why you don't always win or are the best at anything.
I love the Bromance between Magnus and David. I wish they would do more segments like this. Imagine if they had a podcast 👀
Howell is so damn likable that even Magnus is charmed by him. Makes me happy knowing there's genuine friendship between these two boys.
@Zonnymaka
18 күн бұрын
Remember...Maggie still holds a 22 years old grudge against David
@todesque
18 күн бұрын
@@Zonnymaka Sharks are like that.
@billj4525
18 күн бұрын
Yeah, they hang out and get drunk together and play chess.
@Tateygb
18 күн бұрын
He’s literally one of Magnus’ seconds
@todesque
18 күн бұрын
@@Tateygb Thanks for the newsflash! Being a second doesn’t necessarily imply close friendship.
Magnus: *asks any embarrassing personal question* David: "SuReLy EvErYoNe dOeS iT"
@haydenarratoon4841
18 күн бұрын
Let’s be honest, we all pee in the shower though
@SPQR_14
18 күн бұрын
If you hold your pee in the shower you are a psychopath.
@allan.carvajal
18 күн бұрын
At least a lot of people do it
@SunshineForAll
18 күн бұрын
I appreciate Magnus' childish humour xD
@HiFisch94
16 күн бұрын
@haydenarratoon4841 peeing in the shower is really nasty
I suspect Howell may be reading this, so I want to say you’re not vain for thinking you’re the best commentator, if you truly do. I think you’re the best, too.
@yigitkabaday3179
18 күн бұрын
I think Naroditsky is and most people probably think alike, but he is close.
@GEM4sta
18 күн бұрын
Weaker than Giri/Svidler, less opening knowledge than Jan, worse at explaining than Naroditsky, and I personally prefer Hess. And then you also have Leko and Yasser. Nothing wrong with Howell, he's definitely a good commentator, but probably more like top 5 imo.
@guckax7730
18 күн бұрын
But he is vain for trying to beat Magnus just because he said he doesn't respect his game. He's a lower rated player, that's just common sense.
@GEM4sta
18 күн бұрын
@@guckax7730 it makes sense to have no respect for a top 50 player?
@ammarkhan7371
18 күн бұрын
@@GEM4staif you're number 1 then maybe...
Magnus " I don't care " Leavy : magnusssssss 😂
@ilmirko
17 күн бұрын
Coud you please explain why he sort of hate levy? I don't get it!
@tiwariabhinay868
17 күн бұрын
@@ilmirko he don't hate it's just they have fun banter, like teasing each other, people accuse leavy for milk magnus for views haha
@ilmirko
17 күн бұрын
😂😂😂 thanks for the reply!😊
@timepass4783
16 күн бұрын
What’s the time stamp?
@kaushiksarkar6761
11 күн бұрын
@@timepass4783 12:09
Somehow you get the impression that Magnus is playing chess with the lie detector. Towards the end the professional really seemed to have a hard time interpreting his reactions. Amazing - great content!
@diwataluna
18 күн бұрын
I think in some he lied on purpose 😂
@rolle3538
18 күн бұрын
@@diwataluna true!
@billj4525
18 күн бұрын
@@diwataluna It was all over the place. He was lying on purpose, and it was misrepresenting what he said multiple times. It was so inaccurate with Magnus in several ways. I guess that's Magnus playing with it to some degree.
@waterturtle2919
17 күн бұрын
There is a reason lie detoctors are banned from almost every court. They are completly unreliable.
David took advantage of this opportunity to get all the answers he always wanted to have on the way Magnus sees him 😂
This content is the type of stuff that’s really going to help keep pushing chess to the masses and gain in popularity! Bravo!
“I root against Hikaru, generally, almost all the time.” LOOOOLLL Magnus is so game for this and I love him for it 😂😂😂
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
17 күн бұрын
If Hikaru took the 5 seconds required to get to know you, he would dislike you more than you dislike him. But he would not be inclined to use 5 seconds of his life that way.
@rxw5520
16 күн бұрын
@@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar I love hikaru you witless dishcloth.
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
16 күн бұрын
@@rxw5520 you love your right hand more. Then when it gets sticky you switch to your left.
Amazing format !! Genuinely enjoyable - hope to see more of this ! And credits to Orjan Hesjedal (the examiner) who is just perfect in his role.
"Kinkiest stuff I've done in a while" "That was a lie"
@bena.9440
16 күн бұрын
Lmaooo
This is actually some of the best content I've seen on this channel, I had a smile on my face the whole time
Bold move to put a lie detector on the one guy in chess who's most likely to be able to beat the lie detector...
@ugotdestroyed4227
18 күн бұрын
Definitely. Biggest cue here Was "trying to Beat the lie detector by Controlling his heart rate"
@kickdoesdamage4365
18 күн бұрын
do you think magnus is sherlock from the bbc series? Wow
@ari3903
18 күн бұрын
@@kickdoesdamage4365 He's pretty good at poker. Towards the end, the guy notes that Magnus is framing his answers in a way that the lie detector can't really draw accurate conclusions.
@Phoenixz33
18 күн бұрын
@@kickdoesdamage4365 I said "most likely", not "likely", meaning we don't know, but if anyone in chess would be able to do it, we'd probably bet on Magnus. Also, is just joke, why you haf to be mad
@billj4525
18 күн бұрын
He was trying to beat it, but his results were everywhere because of that. It was saying he was lying when he wasn't even really lying on so many different questions.
Magnus was trying so hard to trick the machine. This is the level of curiosity of the goat of chess. Just enjoying discovering new things.
@diwataluna
18 күн бұрын
Reminds me of when he tried to trick the mentalist performer at the freestyle chess dinner
@afterneet4421
18 күн бұрын
Yes i was expecting the same from him
@billj4525
18 күн бұрын
The machine definitely was inaccurate with Magnus.
@grineee5097
16 күн бұрын
All this test is junk, just a show btw
@s1lli
16 күн бұрын
hop off man jesus
I rarely comment on videos, but this one was probably the most entertaining chess related video I have seen so far. Great idea!
David makes it so much fun to watch! He has a fun, lovable personality, much like Peter Svidler!
6:49 "who doesn't tho?" *solemn voice* "that's the truth"
this was actually really entertaining and well produced. well done
The handshake at the end grabbing Magnus fist. It's proof they are actual chess players. I've would've done the same 😂
Lmao Magnus watches Hikaru's stream regularly and roots against him. I'm dying. 🤣
i love magnus hes so calm and cool
Best interview ever. Kudos to Magnus for doing it.
the lie detector guy is 3000 elo in stirring the pot
@dannytran1587
12 күн бұрын
😂😂
@-GRXNDSCOPER-
12 күн бұрын
AHAHHAHA
Awesome video and just in time I was feeling really bad and this improved my mood significantly.
They're both really cool chess players ngl i love this series
magnus: "do you consider yourself... the BOSS in your relationship"
One of the best Chess-related vids, hope we get more of these!
Would’ve loved to hear more of an elaboration or detail on many of these questions. Or even an extended length version of this!!!
Finally they're posting the video....
That guy is saying in the intro that he's mostly using lie detectors for serious stuff, which is funny because it should only be used for not serious stuff
@allan.carvajal
18 күн бұрын
?
@hmm7258
18 күн бұрын
@@allan.carvajal They are pretty easy to fake
@billj4525
18 күн бұрын
@@hmm7258 Yeah, they're bs. I mean it made so many mistakes just in this video. Pretty obvious to see.
@Hawppewo
18 күн бұрын
Lie detectors are not used to prove someone is guilty, they're used to make the interrogatee more stressed and thus more likely to confess fully or partially to whatever they're accused of. Works wonders in criminal cases
@trollf3
18 күн бұрын
and none of the evidence is admissible in court
Very cool, I always got the impression that Magnus gives truthful interviews without unnecessarily insulting others, and it was true for this as well. Very level headed.
This was incredibly entertaining! I feel like they may have overrepresented the accuracy of a lie detector test, but still great work and editing.
Magnus's face and seriousness clearly shows whether he's lying or not
BRO LEFT US HANGING ON SO MANY QUESTIONS
This is the best 22 minutes i watched on youtube by far. David and Jovanka are the best commentators in chess, and Magnus is the best chess player of all time. this is my unbiased opinion 💕💕
What a time to be alive, seeing the GOAT of chess sitting there with a lie detector answering stupid questions :D
@Zilla-yw3gc
18 күн бұрын
nope, thats Gary, keep crying kiddy
87% sure Magnus would win a chess boxing match against Hikaru
@humanbean3
14 күн бұрын
i would say im 93 percent sure. hikaru assumed a karate stance when he was in a real fight against the chess brah lol. the 7 percent i gave hikaru is because of magnus' walking posture lol
I loved this video ! So cool to see these guys be open or being forced to be open about themselves !
That was far more awesome than most chess content. amazing to get real insights, instead of drawing them from what they do.
happy to see magnus so animated and happy. its been a while
Hans Niemann, bring Hans Niemann. I want him here.
That was such a wholesome video! Kudos to both players!
12:00 Hikaru’s going to love that one
Damn!!!with Magnus every content is fun !!!!"""it just hits different
Thank you gotham chess
@iamaduck_9552
18 күн бұрын
they following his footsteps
@siddharthsinghjadon7252
18 күн бұрын
Ohh wait, now when I think of it. this all makes sense, they just wanted Levy to promote the trailer of this video so that it reaches more people than they can reach themselves
@aguywithananimeprofile8950
18 күн бұрын
@@siddharthsinghjadon7252shhhhhhh
@jacobs2784
18 күн бұрын
I can’t believe someone with your username actually got the creator like
@GodFather-rm6en
18 күн бұрын
lol
Make this a series!
One of the best videos seen for a while. Would like to try it my self. Think you can learn a lot of you self.
That was so awesome do more of these with others!!!
I most want to see Hikaru take this lie detector test and all his i dont care BS. But i know he will never take it.
@hdmotivated
18 күн бұрын
Cause it's not true. But it's a great coping tool that helps him perform better so I understand it
@odnalrosa5586
18 күн бұрын
It helps him with anxiety and frustration I guess
@fsdfksdkfoplsdjfasdf3262
18 күн бұрын
but why do you so much if he cares or not ? lol , it tells me you at least thought about it couple of times to come up with this analysis that he will never take it , its kinda embarrassing lol
@boohoohoohoo
18 күн бұрын
@@fsdfksdkfoplsdjfasdf3262 caring enough to reply to people who are commenting to stop caring, you've nicely played yourself...
@fsdfksdkfoplsdjfasdf3262
18 күн бұрын
@@boohoohoohoo well i wouldnt care usually but i did care now because i saw an easy target , when i saw you use "BS" and "he will NEVER take it" i just felt second hand embarrassment and came to tell you about it lol
This was incredible. Magnus made me laugh so many times. Also the analyst was incredible.
I actually love a lot of the top players. Anish, Fabi, Hikaru, Ian ... would love to see segments on them all as well.
One of the best videos ever (like every Magnus one)
No question is tough for Magnus, Magnus is tough for the question
WE NEED MORE THESE TYPES OF VIDEOS
Pretty funny. Could tell over the years that magnus likes watching hikaru. The way he would talk about him in interviews when asked about him and magnus love for chess. Hikaru said too Magnus would be watching candidates absolutely because his love for the game
levy really said "Chesscom never fails to milk Magnus"
@robertluong3024
18 күн бұрын
Pretty sure he's being funny and implying he does it too.
@amentze3525
18 күн бұрын
It’s clearly a joke how do you freaks not understand sarcasm 😂 get off the internet for once in your life
@Al-fm8kh
18 күн бұрын
Hes joking man
@alexenache4216
18 күн бұрын
He s joking about what? About the fact that the biggest chess creator out there built his fame on nothing but milking and no real educational chess content, without any remorse? Ah…ok cool joke bro @Al-fm8kh
@amentze3525
18 күн бұрын
@@alexenache4216 he does have real educational chess content, and the joke was that he’s very aware of how much he milks magnus’ name. It’s intentionally contradictory but idiots like you don’t understand sarcasm
0:52 Bruh the contrast.....
gotta admire his self-assessment. his answer on his world championship decision is very satisfying to see validated (even if the accuracy of polygraphs is mainly an entertainment conceit at this point)
There are a few polygraph examiners that float around youtube for these types of videos but this one has got to be one of the better ones from a viewers perspective.
WE NEED MORE OF THIS
Anish is gonna be so stoked. I agree that he's razor sharp.
I love that the guy can actually tell when the person really doesn't care. Imagine if they tested Hikaru with that.
Everything I hoped it would be. Please thank them both. This is the content I'm here for.
Want more of such content with Magnus ❤🎉
14:04 He says thanks for the compliment completely degrading the lie detector guy 😂😂
@panvlk
18 күн бұрын
The lie detector guy very likely isn't a chess player, I suspect the question was specifically worded to exclude him.
@slakabhibho3788
17 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
one of the most entertaining videos ive watched for sure lol.
awesome concept, and awesome video. You guys rock
Would be better if this was done after the Candidates. Also want to see more of these with other top 10 players😉
00:54 Magnus: do you really think murd3r cases are more serious than chess?
I might watch this 20 times, Magnus laughing is the cutest thing thing ever 😭
„Don‘t ask the question if you don‘t like the answer.“ … so true!
It's okay! Victoria Coren-Mitchell didn't know how to ride a bike either. She learnt it in one day when filming Taskmaster :D
This is way brutal than any celeb lie detector video in youtube
@music-zv6je
18 күн бұрын
Vsauce?
Magnus’ terminator like reactions to certain questions he knew would elicit a lie were amazing
do more of these, this was very funny
“I wasn’t talking about your professional career. I meant when you were a junior”. Wow. Take a moment to appreciate the elegance of David Howell, in a charming manner he wanted to make clear for the public that these embarrassing moments happened when Magnus were a kid. I love this guy, true gentleman!
@asdfasdf-mn8iu
17 күн бұрын
Anyone who thinks magnus peed his pants as an adult or something similar is kinda delusional tbh.
@james6208
16 күн бұрын
Wow you really can’t understand any bit of that joke huh he was joking that magnus did it when he was an adult not a kid
He is trying to beat the test...This Guy 😂
Got me smiling all the way throughout the video, epic content!
Need more of these with other super GMs! For some reason, I'd like to see someone very stoic like Daniil Dubov
If ‘have you ever cheated in chess?’ Was asked, it would ruin their entire chess career 😂
The lie about beating hikaru in a chess box match had me rolling, lol
I don't deeply follow Chess but this was an amazing video. Watching 2 intellectuals tied up to a lie detector test being blunt and honest, it was hilarious. I liked that they didn't hold off with weak questions and really asked hard hitting stuff with fun questions. I also would respect Magnus much, much less if he answered "No" to not resenting him or not thinking he's the GOAT. When you reach the 0.001% strata of enough competitive field with males, if you don't have that mindset, you will never become a multigenerational talent like Magnus. Eg: Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Magnus, etc. These people are *obsessed*.
Couple of nice guys there. And the lie detector guy was great too. Thanks.
I love the fact that they don't use John Grogan as the polygraph examiner. Nearly every KZreadr uses John and he's already outed himself as being a fake. He'll change his answers for content. So I'm glad these guys are able to make genuine content
Can relate to the slang term question. My friends often use the term gaslit or something for a while now and I dont even know what the heck it means. I just often nods when I hear it 😂
@edgeman1135
14 күн бұрын
Gaslit? That's not a real word lmao
@NetConsole
6 күн бұрын
It means that you are deliberatly decieving someone or many people either by misrepresenting something, leaving out important information, framing something in a dishonest manipulative way. You get the drift.