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This show may very well be the evidence we need to prove that Andrew Lloyd Webber is secretly the author behind My Immortal. With a storyline so convoluted and character assassination across the board, who else could come up with something so cringe yet so beautiful. Btw, thank you for the shout-out. I feel so honored that you like my work and were willing to promote it!

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Until I see proof of otherwise ALW wrote My Immortal. And it was no problem at all! I truly love your work!

@Ammeeeeeeer

Жыл бұрын

That makes so much sense..... 😁

I'm JUST sayin, I'd watch a play where the Phantom and Rauul co-parent the child in an odd couple style two and a half men sort of situation. The Phantom is the neat one, Rauul is the slob, but they make it work for their boy.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

That's what I'm saying!

@happyjellycatsquid

10 ай бұрын

I don’t even think that og Raoul, well groomed, clean shaved king, would be the slob, he would just be treated as a slob by the phantom, who basically drinks himself to sleep with bleach every night 😆

@alexp.d3689

Ай бұрын

I personally felt more sexual tension between them during "Devil Take The Hindmost" than I did for either of them with Christine ,they should've ended up together ... fr 😂😂😂😂

I find it so funny how The Phantom was like, "Im gonna kidnap/possibly kill this child I dont know" but then he finds out about Gustav being his child and then he's like "SON!!!! THE CHILD I ALWAYS WANTED!" 😂😂😂😂 Self reflection is not his forte is it?

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Lol, right??

@catspawgardner3213

11 ай бұрын

Only after he finds out the kid is his does he have a change of heart & even if Gustav wasn't his, did Erik really think that Christine wouldn't hate him for threatening her kid?

@annieandelsieofarendelle3294

6 ай бұрын

@@catspawgardner3213 Let's be fair to Erik. Christine in LND is very stupid, so she probably wouldn't.

I think the most transparent part of this bizarre crack fanfic written by Andy is how the callback use of “what answer can I give” cuts out the part that goes “he kills without a thought, he murders all that’s good”

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

This^^

On top of "The Phantom's whole learning arc from the first film is gone," another reason the Phantom feels so much more... unsympathetic? in this one compared to the original where he was still a Murder Man is... you knew in the first one that he's been shaped by a crucible of life and in this one, he's on the top of the world. He has wealth, he has privilege, he's not the "underdog" and yet they expect us to gush about him even MORE than the original. It's just... I hate it.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

This^^

@FIRING_BLIND

Жыл бұрын

And this is how we know he's an Andrew Lloyd Webber self insert

In the West End version that I saw, Gustav had a line about how much he enjoyed the way musical notes die while you watch. He was a much more disturbed/disturbing character which made "Beauty Underneath" work much better! Also in "Devil Take the Hindmost" Phantom wore a wig but no mask and that worked symbolically as both he and Raoul had their "masks" off! I find the original cast album a lot better - this production feels very toned down to me and loses a lot of its spark. It should be full-on Tim Burton crazy like the live-action Dumbo! But yeah in "Beneath a Moonless Sky" we learn that Christine, shortly before her marriage, came and found Phantom where he was hiding and they spent a wonderful night together when it was so dark she could not see his, giving him confidence. She woke up planning to tell him she loved him and would stay with him but, afraid of how she might react to seeing him in the daylight and wanting the memory of that night to remain perfect, he had already left and she never saw him again.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Oh poor Gustav...that child would need so much therapy when it gets invented.

@adamgreenwood9785

Жыл бұрын

Here's a concert/live version of the song - I love their energy and the way they play off each other with genuine chemistry - more believable as father and son I think! kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooOtr86Cqd3IcbA.html

Love Never Dies truly is the Phantom/Raoul "fix it" fic I never expected to see come to life onscreen, but here we are. These character assassinations are wild and I'm still reeling from it after all these years. Considering it was loosely based on a satire novel (The Phantom of Manhattan) that decidedly wanted to tell its own story with the characters, I seriously have to wonder if they just REALLY needed to find a feasible way to get Phantom’s DNA into the mix. o.o I will never be over the fact that this kid immediately thinks the people in glass cages are beautiful, but Phantom's bubble-sunburn-scar face is apparently the most hideous thing he has ever seen with his 10-year-old eyes. No wonder Phantom's hair went thin and gray and fell out of his head! Poor dude can only take so much rejection, it seems. That child aged him by AT LEAST 50 years all in the span of a few minutes. Ben Lewis' Phantom cracks me up, especially that part at the end where he has no idea what to do with his hands, so he just removes himself from the scene, hands Raoul back his dead wife like “okay, here’s your family back, sorry I got involved”, and then cries at the ocean for a while. It's so corny I stopped trying to make sense of it. XD So, the major question I'm left with is this: Where is the sequel to THIS story, Andrew Lloyd Webber? Where is my sequel where Raoul and Phantom have to share the domestic responsibilities of raising their son together a la Two and a Half Men? Give me the sequel where these two awful men have to reform themselves and each other for the sake of their child and a healthier lifestyle! You butchered them, so now you have to fix them! Think of the children!

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! The first show was a complete story but now I have so many questions!!

I remember seeing the end when Phantom Jr hugs the Phantom and it's supposed to be all sweet and stuff and just saying out loud to myself "Wait isn't he a murderer?" Then I imagined what the following week would look like. Phantom making him dinner, getting him up for school etc. That was a weird Sunday afternoon.

@Roadent1241

Жыл бұрын

Phantom as himself but in an apron cooking eggs 'n' bacon. Who do I comission?

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

I think we as a community should make this happen.

I'm so glad the Australian production decided to go with a painting of Christine instead of having the actress pretend to be a doll like the London production. I'm pretty sure it was meant to be a callback to the mirror bride in the original show, but it makes me want to vomit.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

🤢🤮😭

I remember first seeing this show because of it being streamed on the shows must go on channel, but the thing I remember most was the chat shouting "TEAM TWO DADS" at the end of the show, it was an experience I won't forget, thank you youtube live chat

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

11 ай бұрын

Lol yes!

"Why did we need a ten minute sex song?" I feel you.😂

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

The questions I ask myself as I slowly go insane. 😂

I just try to believe this sequel never existed. It makes me feel better 😂

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

I think that's wise 😉

About the necklace: I think it was Musical Hell pointing this out, but... I've also never seen any musical or movie where the guy who gives the woman the big collar-like necklace is the good guy the woman should choose. It's such a simple iconography and they mess it up so badly here.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

7 ай бұрын

Right???

@m.merritt310

2 ай бұрын

Linsey Ellis also pointed that out too - 90% of the time it's code for "this guy is bad and will treat female protagonist like dirt".

The "Mr. Y" thing is so weird too cause in the book the phantom's first name is Erik, so like they had an E name they could've used and they just didn't????

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I think they wanted it to sound mysterious but it didn't work.

I remember a comment my brother made when we saw it on stage - there really were no "good" characters, nobody to root for. Sure, some were more sympathetic than others but it's "less bad than some others" rather than being actually good!

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's this shows main problem for sure.

@mysterykiddo2167

9 күн бұрын

In my opinion, that fact (in fact most of the Musical) fits into a category TV Tropes like to call “Too Bleak, Stopped Caring”

My grandmother loves Phantom of the Opera, and her reaction to the 2004 movie was horror. Telling her there was a sequel, she was stunned. "But why? I don't see how they could make one that's any better than the first."

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Your Grandmother is absolutely correct 😬

@yagirlalyxx

11 күн бұрын

@@EclecticallyEccentric based grandma

I have a love hate relationship with love never dies- like the story had somewhat potential to be “good” and the music..I DONT KNOW IF I LIKE IT OR HATE IT😭 I have an unhealthy obsession with “Till I hear you sing” and “Beneath the moonless sky” like those two songs have me on a chokehold I guess “Beauty underneath” I don’t know- THIS MUSICAL IS MY GUILTY PLEASURE 😭😭

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

That's how I feel about the Jekyll and Hyde musical starring David Hasslehoff...it was so fun to clown on in the video I made but the music was good and the show was pretty entertaining.

I read a fan theory that the Phantom died after the musical, and Love Never Dies is his dying dream, and with this in mind, it does explain a lot of weirdness. Like Raoul, Madame Giry, and Meg all taking a 180 regarding their character, and Christine losing all semblance of a backbone that she had in Phantom. This would also explain how Gustave can exist despite the factors leading up to his birth being completely and utterly illogical.

@mysterykiddo2167

9 күн бұрын

@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 That fan theory does sound interesting

@annieandelsieofarendelle3294

9 күн бұрын

@@mysterykiddo2167 It does make sense since in Love Never Dies, Phantom gets everything he ever wanted. Fame, love, respect, Christine, and a chance at a family of his own, but this forgets that he’s still a wanted fugitive responsible for extortion and murder so it’s unlikely he’d be able to get these things with such a high profile case even with Meg selling herself which is why everything falls apart in the end shown by Christine dying. Perfect dream or not, it’s not real which Erik knows deep down and that’s why ends up dead because the real Christine didn’t love him in the end. On the topic of Christine, this theory would explain why she’s so ‘doll-like’ in this musical with her porcelain white skin, perfect hair, and the drastic changes to her personality. In the last musical, while she was very much an ingenue, she still felt human who could be scared, happy, and even sensual when she wants to be but in this one not really who could get mess. Here though, not really. She seems more like what Erik thinks of Christine. His perfect angelic muse here to save him from his loneliness which would make sense if this play was from Erik’s view as he died.

The only justification for this show existing is the visuals, cuz when I saw it on tour the only thing I could remember about it the next day were those. It's just a weird ass show.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's a very pretty disaster.

I quite enjoy the score to this show! A shame the story it is based on reads like it was concocted by a 12 year old phangirl with zero writing skill or actual human relationship experience. Oh, and of course I've seen it live! Both in London and on tour in the US. I love theatrical train wrecks. In London, the show started with the Phantom crooning over a life-sized Christine s*x doll...err, automaton (think the "Christine mirror bride" from the original but walking/moving). SO creepy. Glad they changed it to a massive portrait, even though it's only marginally lower on the creep scale.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Omg hats off to your dedication that sounds tremendously awful!

Oh yeah, this exist. You know say what you want about Raoul in the first one, this entire shitty acholic dad just such a huge turn to me and kind of out of character. Plus I think that this retroactively made Phantom a self-insert for ALW. I genuinely don't think it started out that way but as time went on well🤷.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Roul in the original is annoying to me but has generally good intentions. This version is just an asshole.

Avery’s two big battles. Fair use and Love Never Dies distractive catchiness! 🤭🤭🤭🤭 Looking lovely too friend! :)

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

The two banes of my existence. Thank you!

Gustav is a trust fund baby.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

I'm not ashamed to say I was in tears by the end of this. I usually am because it smacks me in the face with emotion as pfft-y as it is, but this time it was with laughter. Just as I thought, your sass made me laugh. And cry laughing. Thank you XD

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for watching!

@Roadent1241

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff You're Welcome, I can't wait for the next thing but take your time! ^_^

I remember becoming obsessed with POTO around age ten, and it grew to a pretty intense hyperfixation in Junior High - I learned of LND around age 13 and watched it with so much excitement. I think I made it ten minutes in before realizing how bad it was. If a tumblr fankid knew how off this show was, what was Lloyd thinking?? I will say though, The Beauty Underneath still slaps so so so hard

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

8 ай бұрын

The Beauty Underneath honestly deserves to be in a better show.

I was a HUGE Phantom nerd in the 90's and even worked at PotO for 2 years. I need you to know all your opinions are VALID. I always wanted Meg/Christine to hook up so l was crushed by the ending of LND.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!! I love that she dies at the end of Love Never Dies 💀

I did feel sorry for Erik in the Phantom, but when Love Never Dies came out & watching some video reviews, he made me dislike him. He spent the last decade pinning over Christine, "Nobody can sing my songs but my beloved Christine" he treats Madame Giry, her daughter Meg & everyone who works for him like dirt. He threatens Christine with blackmail & harming of her child if she doesn't sing for him. He makes a bet with Raoul to win Christine & she never learns what they did, then drives Meg into insanity that led to Christine's death. Which off stage led Meg to kill herself then sometime later Raoul drinks himself to death over things he's done. Now he's stuck with a kid he has no idea how to take care of Erik has a lot of blood on his hands. I feel bad for Meg who was driven crazy because no matter what she does Erik won't recognize her, she sold her body to help Erik get the money to finance his show & build up his wealth. Then she threatens her bf's kid, then accidentally kills her bf. Which drives Meg to of herself, Madame Giry for losing her daughter but mostly for Gustav. He his fake dad doesn't really love him, he recently learns who his real dad is, he gets kidnapped the witnesses his mother getting shot, later he'll learn his real was obsessed with his mom. This kid is going to need some serious therapy after this Gustav isn't going to grow up happy.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

11 ай бұрын

Oh lord, Gustav is going to be such an interesting person. 👀 I'd watch a play about his life.

@catspawgardner3213

11 ай бұрын

@AveryTalksAboutStuff Same here, we watch as he begins to resent Erik for ruining his life. And Madame Giry hating & resenting him, Erik & even Raoul had Raoul & Erik not pursued Christine she would be having a happy life back in Paris with her daughter & adopted daughter. I say adopted because Madame Giry pretty much considered Christine as her child as well Christine & Meg were very close practically sisters.

As far as the white dress is concerned, I think it's meant to be a nightgown? Pretty sure the London production of Love Never Dies put Christine in a dressing gown that was pretty similar to the one she wears in Act 1 of the original show.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

That's fair.

Honestly, I would love to see a threequel that focuses on Gustave's story when he grows up and helps his father run the side show thing, but it kind of graduates from a side show to this much bigger thing and moves to a more prestigious location. And maybe throw in some WW1 stuff Andrew please hire me

I can deal with clowns and circus themes, I just hate it. The setting is so awful. A lot of people crap all over Raoul, but I felt sympathy for the dude. His wife cheated on him and had a child with another man. Now he has to spend his whole life raising some other man's kid. I'd be a drunk asshole who gambled all of my money away too.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough but he didn't know any of that when he was being a shitty dude. Like maybe it was the trauma of the phantom but I wish they could have shown that more.

@felixthecat2786

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff In the book Phantom of Manhattan Raoul is aware that he can't have kids. For a play that is trying to adapt a bad sequel, they don't really take any of the logical parts of it

The “Mr. Y” thing is especially dumb when you consider they could have gone with “Mr. E”, which would have been _pronounced_ “mystery” _and_ matched up with his name, Erik.

White is just another color. Colors have symbolism and association, but colors have always just been colors. White showed how clean your garments are. So white makes sense to wear for her status.

Just found your channel when it showed up in my recommended; you seem really cool and what content I've seen so far is great! Subscribed.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Welcome to the channel!

I must confess that I genuinely love LND as a total shitshow, but the same one someone would enjoy The Room. It just brings me so much goofy silly fun and idk why but the fact they essentially made a crack fic a full fledged canon sequel to the musical just absolutely tickles me.

When I was a Lyft driver, I gave a ride to the touring cast of Phantom of the Opera and I said “You all might want to talk to the touring company and tell them that they need to be careful of when they schedule shows. Love Never Dies came to town last month.” They were all “What’s that?” I said “The sequel.” They were all “There’s a sequel?”

One thing that amazes me is how peopne never remember about the actual book of the Phantom of the Opera. Their endings are so different, oh my gosh. I read the book first and loved it. The musical is beautiful too, but VERY VERY different from the book. And now this sequel...

I think the Phantom pulls away from Gustave and Christine's body because Raoul appears at the pier. But I am not sure anymore

Phantom dad is unironically the single fucking funniest thing I can ever imagine, just Erik being his normal brooding murdery self except now he's got a little ankle biter to take care of and like, take to school and do dad activities with.

This was a damn crime, it's not possible for ANY CHARACTER TO HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL PERSONALITY!!!! Cristine was somewhat manipulable and docile, But to a certain extent she was somewhat strong in personality (she showed it at the end When I confront the Phantom), Raul He was someone who did crazy things for love, he loved Cristine, he made it very clear, Meg was an excellent friend, she supported Cristine, she is literally the best friend, Madame Giry is a mother figure and it shows, she supports Cristine, the Phantom, a man with many conflicts, A lot of suffering saved, who only wants to love and be loved, but a maniac at the end, and in this work...All this is going to hell, Cristine has no personality, sometimes she is maternal and that's it, Raúl, what an ugly person, Now he's a cretin and an alcoholic, Meg Now she hates Cristine for... I don't know exactly, the thing is that now she is a prostitute and tries to kill Cristine and Raúl's son, Now Madame Giry as apparently a bad mother, And the Phantom is the best, although his manic depressive personality in need of love is very flat, he does not cause pity, he makes others feel sorry, and we go from a sophisticated opera to a freak show... It is awful! Everything that the Phantom, Cristine, Raúl, the entire opera learned in the original work disappeared out of nowhere! The work is beautiful, creating a sequel is destroying everything, I don't know how but this is the only work that made me more than satisfied with the ending, because it makes clear what ended up happening, to It is understood that everyone ended up continuing with their lives. It concludes in a spectacular way! I don't know how to express myself

The 2015 German production/ 2017-2018 US tour did slightly improve a few things.

@Roadent1241

Жыл бұрын

Oooh, how so?

I feel like they could streamline the production by replacing that kid with a football with a face drawn on it. Footballs are abduction-shaped.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Pffft 😂

I think the change in musical style was deliberate. More showtune like because it was set in Coney Island in NY. BTW Ramin Karimloo will always be best phantom. LND or POTO💜

I found Meg's character interesting in the 2010 ( original ) version,her character makes way more sense if you listen to the 2010 Original cast recording ... It might sound weird,but I felt way more sexual tension between Raoul and Erik ( the phantom ) than any of them had with Christine ,they should have ended up together ... What pisses me off is that Christine NEVER learns of the bet between Raoul and Erik,she doesn't have any agency ... They could have made the play be about them reuniting and trying to deal with their feelings for one another while being fully aware that they are nothing more than friends ( cut Gustave and the Gerries out ) ,or what If Carlota went mad and tried to kill both the Phantom and Christine for ( in her mind ) ruining her courier ... This COULD have worked with a better script, but once again it's an ALW self insert but unlike the first one ( which as overrated as it is It works ) this doesn't work

Are you going live tonight?

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

We're streaming every night this month for charity.

Why is Madame Giry giving Mrs Danvers from Rebecca vibes? I will say, that Christine looks gorgeous! I'm a huge fan of Turn of The 20th Century Gibson Girl hair!

Love me some midnight movies.

Something about thos particular production of Love Never Dies that I really don't love is the portrayal of the phantom. Personally, I feel he comes across as a bit of a soap opera villain, which is weirdly juxtaposed by how straight and realistic everyone else seems to be. I dont want to through hate at the actor, I just feel it's an odd choice

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I totally get that.

I've done the unthinkable...comment here and in the live premiere. Impressed?...you should be 😉

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Not all heros wear capes.

Phantom my all time fave yes the sequel is nice also

This is crap fanfiction on par with the likes of "My Immortal". Glad to say that my late mom never liked this one, in fact I have yet to meet anyone in real life that had anything nice to say about this abomination 😉

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

My mother has never seen this and hopefully she never will because the og show is her favorite.

@Ammeeeeeeer

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Has she seen the "Cats" movie? If she can survive that one, then she can survive LND....barely 😇

@FIRING_BLIND

Жыл бұрын

It's very funny to watch while high? I dunno if that counts tho.... cuz honestly that applies to most things

I just like what a lousy cartoon cobra commander level villain the phantom actually is he’s just trying to do the same thing again and again I would at least hope this show would end like Sweeney Todd and have that kid kill the phantom

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

Right?

@c17sam90

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff yeah in trying to tell a story to make audiences think see Christine made the wrong choice. They made everyone look really stupid.

I honestly liked the film adaptation contrary to a lot of POTO fans. A lot of people hated Gerard Butler's singing voice, but he does a good job for someone who is not a trained singer IMO. His acting is beautiful and he really does an amazing job of portraying the Phantom's personality. It might actually be my favorite portrayal of the Phantom (not just ALW) in terms of sheer acting ( I also loved Claude Rains). He was only 33 when he played this character too, which makes it more impressive to me. It's a dark character to have to figure out at such a young age. He just really nails the nuances of this character's pain, sorrow, and anger. A lot of POTO fans will try to say that he was only cast for being "sexy" and that the Phantom shouldn't be "sexy." Honestly....there is now that you can tell me Crawford was not intended to be seductive. All of the stage Phantoms by ALW are portrayed this way. It just seems like a trivial thing to complain about. Then of course the disfigurement, which people felt was downplayed. I can see their point, but I also think prosthetics have a tendency to look fake. I felt like they did the best they could to create a disfigurement that looked realistic. I could see this Phantom being burned in a fire or by a chemical burn. *I think Gerard's singing is an acquired taste and I get why theater fans don't like it. He does not have a broadway voice, it's more of a classical/folk singer kind of a voice. I enjoyed the emotions he put into his singing. There are times where he shouts and gurgles some of the lines, but it kind of works considering his personality. I expect Patrick Wilson to have a perfect heroic tenor voice, but am oddly ok with the Phantom having an imperfect singing voice. I've heard a lot of people trash the film, but I thought it was well put together. The art direction, props, cinematography, camera-work all came across as well done. I think it really comes down to personal taste and what kind of chemistry you're looking for in terms of the acting ensemble. Some POTO fans wanted Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman exclusively, which IMO is unrealistic (She was 44 at the time...we can't have a 44 year old playing a 16 year. it makes no sense.) Some POTO fans have a hard time accepting that stage adaptations are going to be different and cast movie actors. Anyway, my two cents as someone who saw the film in 2004 and who has consistently rewatched it over the last 20 years. I keep looking for the horrendous flaws that people keep insisting are there, but I just don't see them. I also don't see Gerard as a "bad" singer or "bad" Phantom.

@AveryTalksAboutStuff

Жыл бұрын

That's valid, my mom also loves the movie and I totally get it. I disagree but don't ever think that I want to make anyone feel bad for disagreeing with me. That's the best part of art, you know?

@felixthecat2786

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Honestly, I don't feel bad if people dislike the film. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There are some fans that will act like you're stupid or have bad taste if you say you like them film. Those are the only fans that I have issues with because they're just out there insulting people. For a lot of POTO fans that was their introduction to Phantom of the Opera. I think you can say you hate the film, but not insult people while doing so.

@boop79

11 ай бұрын

Gerard is my favorite phantom. Many people complain about his singing but he was in a rock band. Different but awesome nonetheless

Lol, be grateful they didn’t make a musical out of Son of a Witch.