USAG: “we’ve changed” Also USAG: “not like that”

@duranca

Ай бұрын

Couldn't have stated that better.

Everyone enjoying the college gymnastics season should thank their lucky stars that all these girls have been chasing Simone for the last 12 years the level of skills being done could not have occurred otherwise. So they are not 2nd place but stars in their own right and celebrate each and every one of them.

i would like to add that jordan’s elite floor music from last season was still composed completely of black artists

@lilleoelle

3 ай бұрын

Yah I feel like she’s making it a race thing when it’s not 🙄

I hope Jade and Suni be in 2024 Olympics in Paris.

I wish you would have mentioned Chae Campbell getting a BS 9.875 on vault lmao, and same with Selena Harris. Both should have been higher!!!

@willyumcornelius9900

3 ай бұрын

Facts

Oh damn, I missed this live! Ive been listening to Gracie Gold's book that just came out today! ❤

Can't they send Jordan to some international meets, with international judges, let her keep the music, and see how it goes?

Was Trinity there?

How do we watch the us camp interviews ?,!?!

Who and where can i watch physical abilities testing?

How do we feel about Makayla Skinner's tweet about breaking records as a 5ft year. My thoughts is she doesn't want Maile to break her records and she is mad about it

@jlp4111

3 ай бұрын

MyKayla was denied numerous 10.0 routines in her 3 years at Utah. As an Utah fan of over 40 years, I felt the judges were extremely hard on her, possibly based on her flexibility, such as split leaps. Everything else was just top notch and our fans just loved watching her. Plus most gymnasts don’t normally get 5 yrs to accumulate 10.0 scores. It’s a valid question she raised.

I have been waiting for this upload!!! PS- I was one of the people who stopped doing the fantasy league lmao. Not being it was too hard, I just don’t have time to keep up on who is competing and which teams have byes lmao.

I understand why Jordon would want to pick her own music. But I have to say, when I watch some girls at like Worlds, and their music is not really appropriate or lacks electricity, I loose interest and believe they don't score well. So, if I had worked thousands of hours to have the privilege to make it to Worlds or Olympics, I'd want to put a floor routine together that would score the highest as possible. They are more likely to send a girl to the Olympics if her floor outshines everyone - like Laurie Hernandez's floor. I knew early on she was going to end up doing floor in the Olympics. The floor routine, music, dance, showmanship was far superior than most of them. If I saw Derrian Gobourne's 2023 floor routine at Worlds I WOULD LOVE LOVE LOVE IT!!!! But her choreography was electric, unique, fun, and audience grabbing, AND SHE CAN REALLY SHOW IT OFF. If you can't dance, or it has poor choreography, then I'd listen to other's advice.

@bgreen5234

3 ай бұрын

Will all of that being said, and your cute attempt to wrap it in a bow. What is it about the music that’s unartistic?

@kristinen7611

3 ай бұрын

@@bgreen5234 Are you talking about a specific piece of music, let me know. My comment was in general. Example, at the Ice Skating Olympics, having silly music would not go over well in a competition like that. I think Jordon's college music was great!!! and she danced it well. The dance was very adult and appropriate for college. If I saw a 14 year old trying to do that same routine at a World's competition, I doubt she would score well....even if she could pull off the dance and self expression. You have to also remember the judges tend to be old school, have certain expectations, and the coaches know this. I'm just saying it would be good to listen to your coaches, even though you may wish to dance a certain style. I'm not bashing any style, just pointing out the current view points.

@bgreen5234

3 ай бұрын

@@kristinen7611 but you just did bash the style… Let me give an example, I’m not a big fan of country music. In fact, I only know a handful of country artists, so is it fair for me to say that Country music is unartistic? That’s a bold generalization. You’ve attached a stigma to that style of music, but to say you can only see a 14 Year old perform that routine is extremely offensive and narrow minded. Music is music…

@kristinen7611

3 ай бұрын

That's not what I said.@@bgreen5234 I said having a 14 year old doing some of the more adult college routines most likely wouldn't be the best thing,. I didn't bash the actual music. And I'm not bashing the individual gymnast. I'm saying that there are a lot of times when I see floor music being done by someone who can't dance, or the choreography is seriously poor, and or the music is inappropriate for the event or age of the gymnast. I never said any music is unartistic - the music itself is artistic by the very fact that it is music. You totally missed my point. Good luck.

@iagree8584

3 ай бұрын

@@bgreen5234 Could you miss her point anymore? It's a team sport. That routine wouldn't be scored well with international judges. The team matters. They never would have told her to change it if they didn't want her to be her best.

Jessica love ya but a little rough on Jade on the artistry, you tried to save yourself after but when talking about katelyn jong’s artistry improvement and you said “how long have people been working with Jade Carey for” I gasped.

@graciesgymnastics4947

3 ай бұрын

But it's true. People can't say anything these days without getting told its to harsh when it's just the truth

We know how hard it is, but to Jordan and all that feel that they may be affected we would say, make the requested changes and use that 'energy of disappointment' to challenge yourself more and show the world the potential you have, and come home with all the gold. Show them that whatever they throw at you, you will be and remain successful. This is what Champions do, they feed from the negative and turn it into the BEST.

My jaw is on the ground right now 😮 I can’t believe after everything USAG has been through they go and pull something this stupid!! The gymternet is gonna lose it! …off to Reddit….

1) so when’s the soonest we could see Gabby compete/show full routines when the pressure is on? We need this stat of 3 gold medalists on a team.. has there been a gold medalist compete in 3 Olympics AND miss a whole quad? 2) No one was mentioning Jordan Chiles… has she underperformed/unable to compete? 3) I was locked in for the 92, 96, 2000, 2008-Present Olympic years in gymnastics. Was anyone else kinda bored with 2004? Or did I just not get the memo. I always assumed that my favorites from 1992-2000 were pretty much out of the sport..

To be fair, Shi's wrists were MUCH worse in 2022

Jo's 2022 floor routine was the bombb!!! Shilese is one of the most stunning gymnasts I have ever see, I know her floors are about her dad, and she always looks up, her limbs and arms all the way to the stunning fingers.

Suni Lee is competing at the winter cup!!

This pisses me off if you want these ladies to feel the music and floor routines then the music choices Should be from the athletes because they have to live these routines. As a former black gymnast we have dealt with these things since forever in the sport. This is just wrong, Jordans floor was a reflection of her personality and the judges in 2022 worlds judges had no issues with her floor and Gabby's new double layout on floor looks amazing

It's possible to grab the beam and only get 3 tenths off. If it was something like Sazonenkova in 91 when she'd do the aerial and immediately bend at the waste and grab the beam in a needle scale kind of situation, there would be no real deduction. It always looked like she was trying to save the skill, but I don't think it was that cut and dry.

As far as I know Jordan did the floor routine last year and it did not score that well.

So you have Gabby on the team without showing full routines? Kaliya is on the team for one event because the US judge's scores put her at the top best 5 teams even tho US judges are full of shit? The US judges aren't the only ones full of shit.

Kaliya reminds me SO much of Gabby!

Ok admittedly this is not my lane, but when the heads of something ask your coaches if Jordan can change her routine, and Jordan really wants to win with that routine, that is when the coaches could have said, “NO. I understand what you are asking, but no, that is not possible,” and then you hold these heads accountable to do all they can to support that athlete and that decision.

I’m sorry but I disagree with the commentators here. If Jordan was only competing in the USA then she has every right to be offended. But with international judges who we know can be very subjective then what’s wrong with telling her the truth? Artistry category is subjective af. It would be hard for usa to claim racism after the fact - if she is hypothetically downgraded for it. And yes I am a black woman and I questioned in the back of my head how would Jordan’s music be judged on the international stage. Racism is real throughout the world. It’s one reason a lot of black people stay away from giving our kids black sounding names- we know Tyrone and Keisha are less likely to get callbacks for job interviews vs a Michael or Stephanie. It is what it is. Why blame the messenger?

@joyfuljaj

3 ай бұрын

I was thinking similarly but more along the lines of these gymnasts are here to make the best score possible for the team. If they know that something is not going to be perceived well in whatever meet or judging situation they're in then changing it for the team seems reasonable. I am not an expert on what types of music have been used in the past so if this isn't consistent then that's a different thing. I have enjoyed in the college routines some of the new music choices this year. I think because I grew up in the 90s.

@lisalor7281

3 ай бұрын

Shit...ain't that the truth. I get it and I am Hmong Asian like Sunisa...what I have notice is that Hmong Americans are staying away from Asian sounding names for the very reasons you mention. It is sad but true.

@robertjoseph2731

3 ай бұрын

I could accept that if she has been underscored the year before, but her Lizzo routine made her the world silver medalist on floor.

@xxheart_breakerxx8732

3 ай бұрын

The Artistry deduction is not that subjective actually. The deductions are as followed (all are 0.1, or I mention it's different) - poor body posture (basically me as the gymnast is hunched all the time, shoulders up, head down,...) - insufficient amplitude (I always explain it as watch a dancer do a run through of a routine and compare it to their final performance. They will usually go 30-50% in execution of movements. That's what this deduction is) - poor foot work (feet are not pointed, flexed or relaxed through out the whole routine) - insufficient involvement of all body parts (they want to see the gymnast include movements of every part of the body, arms, legs, head, not just waving the arms in different ways...) - poor expressive engagement according to the style of the music (for example the gymnast looks really bored/has a blank face all the time or looks too concentrated to do the choreography, instead of enjoying the moment, if that makes sense. Hard to describe this one honestly. Only gymnast I could really think of in pro gymnastics is jade Carey, but usually it doesn't happen in elite. It's mainly an issue with younger gymnasts in regional competitions, where they just go through the routine. If you see this deduction, you know it) [0.1 or 0.3 deduction is possible here)] -performance of the entire exercise as a series of disconnected elements and movements (lack of fluency) - insufficient complexity or creativity of movements 1. Throughout the routine (for example gymnast just uses arm movements) 2. In corner, lack of variety (gymnast just turns in the corner or does the same choreography to avoid this) - missing movement touching floor (self explanatory?) - no structure to the music (no opening, ending or accents...) - lack of synchronization between movement and musical beat at the end of the routine - background music (the music just doesn't seem to connect to the routine. Again, hard to explain, but if you see it, you know. Basically after those routines you think, any music could have played in that moment, because there was no connection to the choreography) [0.1 or 0.3 deduction possible) If I didn't miss one, this should come up to a maximum of 1.8. If any fellow judge sees this differently, this is how I was taught. I'm a national judge

@nicoles9077

3 ай бұрын

@@xxheart_breakerxx8732 thank you for this explanation. But if these rules aren’t applied fairly or equally then it becomes subjective. I’m 51 years old, been watching gymnastics since the mary Lou retton years and I’ve seen certain gymnasts being overscored because of artistry and other gymnasts primarily black gymnasts who are told they are not artistic because of their body habitus or lack of “dance”. (No one will convince me Dominique Dawes deserved silver behind that Russian gymnast) Many are told they look manly compared to the European and Asian gymnasts. You can claim these things aren’t subjective, but I think I’ll believe my lying eyes this time.

Assume the judges would have a problem with her routine....how should they have handled this differently? 😊

@bgreen5234

3 ай бұрын

I mean they liked Andrade’s routine…

@darklight1030

3 ай бұрын

@@bgreen5234 that is a good point, but I haven't seen Jordan's routine they are referring to. Also, you're not answering my question!

@bgreen5234

3 ай бұрын

@@darklight1030 there’s nothing to handle, it was her choice of music. I can see if they didn’t think the choreography wouldn’t score well, but the music should be left to the gymnast.

@darklight1030

3 ай бұрын

@@bgreen5234 OK, you're clearly not capable of having a reasonable discussion. Thanks for proving my point. Come back when you're ready to speak with the adults

@bgreen5234

3 ай бұрын

@@darklight1030 😂 nothing I said was remote rude or off-topic, you just don’t have anything to rebuttal. Good day to you 😂😂😂

Hello can someone can tell me please what's going on with Jade Carey

@traciprovins3221

3 ай бұрын

She’s competing for Oregon (w her father as one of the coaches) and missed camp but is having her routines verified this week for the national team and will compete to try for the Olympics this summer. She is training part elite and part collegiate skills every day. She also has a lighter workload in college as she is not AA every week anymore, saving her body for elite.

also love this show

“Remember this shhhho-“ 😂😂😂😂😂

That's wow how this two peoples are beginning to portrait Simone. At the end we will have something like "she's difficult", "she xyz", " so can't be on the team".

I have a feeling if any other gymnast did what Simone did during PAT they’d be asked to leave.

@jacobmiller2663

3 ай бұрын

What did she do?

@TommyWiseauu

3 ай бұрын

@@jacobmiller2663did you not listen to the video?

@natashaharris4750

3 ай бұрын

Simone is the Boss though. She can do what she wants

@TommyWiseauu

3 ай бұрын

@@natashaharris4750 then she should run the usag

@likeisaidjenkins3689

3 ай бұрын

​@@TommyWiseauu Yes, she should, and she would make it better and safer.

did jordan just find out at this camp about them wanting her to change her music???

College gymnastics is very very different, and no, I don't think the floor routines they use in college gymnastics should be used for elite.

@edo4896

3 ай бұрын

I think they were referring to using the college music and choreography. Tumbling would be upgraded to elite competitive standards. This is what Jordan did when she competed and won a floor medal a couple years ago.

@KeeHart

3 ай бұрын

It was her music she wanted to keep, obviously her routine had to change

@ladybugred5641

3 ай бұрын

You “people” just love defending racism

What about sky?

Cocktails

6:26 I want to know soooo bad who said that. Am I the only one who went and scoured over senior WDP positions at usag so I could make an educated guess?

Hhahahaah! I am dying that Simone was like Nahhhh. Simone is so strong she does not need archaic physical testing in a sport thats about power! I made a 4K vieo of Kaliya, I keep telling everyone, that girl is special on that event! She can triple double but no point

Highlighting Jordan's dislike of her coach recommending different music is likely setting her up for more blowback. She is overscored on FX in elite and is her most compelling argument for Paris. I suspect that cushion will disappear now.

I love Betty but her doing the choreography or teaching No. she’s not a professional dancer to kno how things suppose to look

I was so frustrated during the LSU meet while they were fixing the vault and Lyn and Kaleigh started commenting on how they need to adjust THE HEIGHT OF THE TABLE for each gymnast individually. Like wtf? Where does that idea even come from?

Jessica tread lightly … you don’t speak for us blacks when we can’t be authentic and true to our culture without being criticized and judged differently in a sports that geared to a European style and is deemed as how the gymnast should be …… black gymnast tryin to be authentic in a sport like gymnastics is death ….u won’t get judged fairly and that’s fact !!!!!!

My question is who is going to the the Brave 1 to recycle Jordan’s Floor Routine? ( Hopefully a white gymnast 😉)

Gabby Jordan Simone Shilese Trinity/Suni/Kaliya/Skye

But is it Alicia Sacramone that totally forced Jordan to change her music? She’s a Catholic conservative girl from Boston.

@traciprovins3221

3 ай бұрын

Let’s turn to beating on religion for it…????? Not the answer. But we turn to it every goddamn time. And I’m not religious

@JoshuaFazeli

3 ай бұрын

@@traciprovins3221 You obviously never lived in the South.

@mysticalmargaret6105

3 ай бұрын

I'm Catholic and could care less about what music Jordan picks. What in the world does religion have to do with it anyway? 🤔

Someone tell the host of this show she doesn't get to explain to black people what is racist and what isn't. Jordan has a right to feel the music being taken away was racist, but black culture and what is racist isn't decided by white Jessica, so she needs to stop telling people how they should feel on a subject she knows nothing about. Racism happens to all nationalities, but she doesn't speak for black people on the subject and needs to understand SHE was the racist one in this video. The Lyrics in some of these songs Jordan chose are offensive to even us black people. " And she also doesn't get to tell a Black person what black lives matter means to us. Not just because of our color but also because "black people" all have our own reasoning on what it means. Do not lump us in one category like we share a brain. That is so damn offensive and she owes us an apology.

@norahisastupidname9319

3 ай бұрын

I'm sorry she talks down to black people like they can't think for themselves. She has been raised before against the Chinese and laughed about it. It's disgusting, and she doesn't think she does anything wrong.

@jmorg044

3 ай бұрын

Say that !!!!! Jessica finna read by us

@traciprovins3221

3 ай бұрын

Also don’t lump “white people” into a category like is done almost every time…???

I don’t agree with Jordan at all. Stop with calling people judges racist . I’m a person of color and can’t stand when people insinuate others bring racist.

@edo4896

3 ай бұрын

She isn't saying Judges are racist, the USAG rep that told her to change her routine because she 'wouldn't be judged as she should' is. Jordan specifically stated she did not want to change her music but was denied by USAG.

@ladybugred5641

3 ай бұрын

No one cares what you think btw

Gabby didn't earn her spot by scores. That is a lie. At Nationals she was beaten by 4 AA gymnasts, any of them could have been the third AAer by score. All 5 of them would have been the third US gymnast at the Olympics, and served the same purpose. She did well at the Olympics but she didn't earn the spot. The spot she served was UB specialist. That was the only event she did at Worlds in team finals or EF because everyone beat her on Vault, Beam, and Floor to make EF. If there was a bar specialist it should have been Ashton Locklear, but she's a porn star so we don't care about her anymore. Kocian could have done the All-Around in prelims and served the same purpose and the US could have added anyone who fairly beat. Skinner could have made the vault Finals. Ragan, beam. etc.. and they all earned it ahead of Gabby by beating her when it mattered. At trials.

@gymstyle5091

3 ай бұрын

Real fans know this. Gabby over achieved at the Olympics but she didn't perform that way AT Trials. Which is the issue.

@ladybugred5641

3 ай бұрын

No one cares btw

@jstme40

3 ай бұрын

Gabby did vault and bars at worlds and she won sliver AA @ those worlds

@new4bj

3 ай бұрын

I am so sick of the narrative that has gone on for all these years about Gabby not deserving to be on the 2016 Olympic team. It is really sad how badly she was treated. 1)Why was NO ONE complaining about Madison Kocian being undeserving of a spot on the 2016 team? She finished 8th behind Gabby in the AA at the trials, yet never got the disrespect Gabby received when she was picked to jump all those AA gymnasts ahead of her to be put on the team. And I believe Madison belonged on the final team. But she was no where near Gabby's overall credentials going into the trials. Gabby was the reigning AA world's silver medalist and AA olympic gold medalist at the time of the trials. 2)The insane cyber bullying Gabby received going into the 2016 Olympics was simply heartbreaking. And it was mostly by gymnasts in the US that just had other favorites they wanted to see in the Olympics and were disappointed they didn't make it. 3)ABSOLUTELY no one seems to mention that Gabby finished THIRD in the AA at the 2016 Olympic qualifications. Behind Simone and Aly, and that was under all the hate she was receiving she managed to perform better than any other countries AA qualifiers by more than 1 point. She did an amazing job in spite of knowing a lot of people from her own country thought she did not deserve to be there. So, I for one, am so happy to see Gabby returning to the sport. She is a beautiful, history making gymnast that I hope whether she makes this 2024 Olympic team or not, gets the respect and appreciation she so deserves for the contributions she has made to the sport of gymnastics.

@new4bj

3 ай бұрын

@@gymstyle5091 Did she over achieve at the 2015 worlds when she won the AA silver medal behind Simone's gold? At some point you should respect her gymnastics as more then just a fluke or over achievement.

Can you guys stop saying “the vault” when you’re referring to the apparatus (i.e the vaulting table); vaulting is the verb