Tank on tank battles never happen until you load HE shells.

@heyhoe168

8 ай бұрын

It is like rain would never happen unless you watered the garden or washed the car.😅

@stephend50

8 ай бұрын

Friend went deer hunting, kept finding pheasant, but had a slug chambered. Next time first round was bird shot and he came across a buck. Buck got away because he was clearing the bird shot

@bastikolaski8111

8 ай бұрын

I think in this war they load HE in most case is the standard. MBT vs MBT situations are really rare

@uku4171

8 ай бұрын

probably had a 200% booster too smh

@emiliomachocabanillas2053

8 ай бұрын

did you mean HEAT shells?

I think I remember the chieftain saying something along the lines of "if you shoot first even with the wrong round you are at an advantage. If you miss, the enemy tank is under fire and not thinking straight while you are calmly reloading and adjusting your sight, if you hit, the enemy has been hit with HE and panicking while you are loading another round".

@kemarisite

8 ай бұрын

Yes. Even being hit with HE or MPAT is going to be a "significant emotional event".

@R.Sole88109

8 ай бұрын

I learnt that from a WW2 tank Veteran's book and used the same tactics playing Panzer Front🙌🏻 IYKYK😄

@IMP-vi6je

8 ай бұрын

​@@kemarisite I've been seeing this (significant emotional event) meme for a while Well the emotional event here is sh1t You just alerted them of your presence

@Thrainite

8 ай бұрын

@@IMP-vi6jeMost of the time in combat you have a very limited window to engage before your enemy moves on or spots you. Especially when you’re cruising in a 60+ ton vehicle. It is better to shoot first and fire again than dick around. Better to react with what you have when the time is right than have the right shell too late. By then the target has moved on or you are getting moved on.

@josephahner3031

8 ай бұрын

​@@IMP-vi6je if you're rolling along with an HE round in the tube and you spot an enemy tank you fire what's in the tube then switch to Sabot. You do this because the enemy may have already spotted you and hitting him with an HE shell takes less time than dropping breach and switching to Sabot. An HE round will ruin his aim either by fucking up the enemy's boresight, or just scaring the ever loving shit out of him. You may be able to damage his sights or other aiming equipment as well. If you spot a tank there's a good chance he will spot you if you take the 14-20 seconds to change rounds before firing. There's also safety concerns with the 120mm ammunition. If you try to take it out of the breech without firing there's a chance the combustible case will separate from the stub base and leak propellant into the turret. This is highly undesirable as the last thing you want spilling in the turret when you're about to open fire is propellant.

Honestly getting hit by a 120mm HE shell is a traumatic event, the shockwave from that shell would cause a lot of concussion even inside a tank.

@ser43_OLDC

8 ай бұрын

Just imagine the sound inside of the tank. Probably 1-all crew would have developed post-traumatic stress disorder

@Stratigoz

8 ай бұрын

Did you know from experience war thunder player?

@yugen5878

8 ай бұрын

i live watching your army died poor ukraine i tell you something alot and alot of Asia People like me never support your bagger state😁😁😁🤣🤣

@Brian-qj4kk

8 ай бұрын

But they all survive.

@inf783

8 ай бұрын

nope... tanks are designed to absorb shock waves... and the fact that the tank was still moving perfectly, proves that the crews were fine

Most likely a HE shell because they were probably expecting light armored vehicles or were planning a assault on a infantry fortification. Also a HE shell hitting ERA would definitely cause a lot of smoke and dust kick up. Sticking around having lost a good chunk of armor protection would be stupid, so the tankers did exactly the right thing. Better to call in artillery or a AT-UAV while you retreat to get repairs.

@jorgefloyd6989

8 ай бұрын

Or maybe just maybe the reactive armor did it's job?

@zeffy._440

8 ай бұрын

you'd expect to see some indication of a blast with the explosives on the ERA going off as well yet nothing like that seems to have happened. Hard to say if the ERA was struck either way a side on hit possibly near the tracks and the Russia tank just eats it no problem

@koskok2965

8 ай бұрын

@@jorgefloyd6989 Ain't no way some average sized ERA module (even if the included elements were Relikt) eats up and disperses enough energy from a modern LRP to allow the thin side armor of the turret to stop it.

@casematecardinal

8 ай бұрын

@@jorgefloyd6989 if the reactive armor did its job, its no longer there to protect the tank so yeah a significant portion of the armor protection is now missing. Thats the downside of era. It may be compact and light but its not permanent

@jorgefloyd6989

8 ай бұрын

@@koskok2965 Did you see a High Explosion? I saw reactive armor do it job. Hopefully the crew gets interviewed and show the tank.

No way they made ground RB from WT into real?

@williammostert5595

8 ай бұрын

if this were war thunder the russian stalinium would ultimately prevail and reduce that leopard to dust

@raketny_hvost

8 ай бұрын

​@@williammostert5595 only having HE in ammo, while apfsds would disappear at it's LFP

@saucyinnit8799

8 ай бұрын

No, i don't see a T-80BVM tank 58 German APFSDS shells only to annihilate the Leopard with the stock HEAT-FFS shell.

@EasyAL_YT

8 ай бұрын

Makes sense as to why they would use HE... stock grinding is a pain.

@CheezeSpartan

8 ай бұрын

Can't be, tanks did not immediately J out and spawn fully loaded SU-25s they got with 1 assist.

This is what it means to know a lot about tanks, you notice every single detail and possibility out there, thats why people watch you and listen to you.

@alexanderlarsen6412

8 ай бұрын

He's wrong tho; there's only a twitter rumor about HE 120 mm ammo in Ukr... more likely it's a HEAT round and ERA blocks

@flouroantimonic4262

8 ай бұрын

diesel patches? heree?

@Silver_Prussian

8 ай бұрын

@@flouroantimonic4262 nah I cant ever hope to have his swager but I am a diesel patches enjoyer.

@flouroantimonic4262

8 ай бұрын

@@Silver_Prussian so you r not daddy?😥😥

@ibum4908

8 ай бұрын

@@alexanderlarsen6412 he literally clipped in a 3-4 second clip of HE-frag-T ammo in ukraine there bruh

If it was real, you can see that the Leo 2 slowly back away as well, suggest that the encounter was a surprise for both side, so the Leo 2 fired it shell, which would be a wise decision, the T-72 after got hit, backed away and shout out to their fellow T-72 about the big Cat they faced, both retreated, which was also a wise decision. In the end of the encounter, both 4 tanks survived, with one crew likely suffered a heavy headache...

@souliswinter1024

8 ай бұрын

3 Tanks and 1 APC

@wallingnaga6563

8 ай бұрын

Yes

@gerfand

8 ай бұрын

Good point, you go back to reload, another possibility was angle the tank so you wont get side shooted

@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394

8 ай бұрын

It would be a surprise indeed, tank on tank engagements are quite rare IRL

@gerfand

8 ай бұрын

@@mikes989 its quite possible specially when stuff like a lack of a follow up shot with a Sabot Round, and I'm pretty sure NATO doctrine is Sabot first.

"Hit 200🦁 50💡"

RedEffect never fails!

@oceanwavesandcocaine1129

8 ай бұрын

Russian Rambo tank was cooler then this

@alikaraahmet5050

8 ай бұрын

he did on this one

I'd guess that the T-72 crew didn't even realise what they had been engaged by. The first think they might have known was the explosion outside the tank. They might have realised that the tank was not on fire and was still driveable and got the hell out of dodge which would be sensible considering that the first tank to shoot usually wins. I think that they'd probably guess it was an artillery round that landed next to or just skimmed the tank and they somehow got lucky. I know if I were in a tank and I suddenly found myself in the middle of a large explosion I'd want to get away from there quickly.

@fooktheeu8332

8 ай бұрын

Two T80 bro

@chzwhz3973

8 ай бұрын

@@fooktheeu8332 it has already been said in the video that it is a T72 because of the exhaust. Maybe you should rewatch it

@Ksportin

8 ай бұрын

@@fooktheeu8332 Firstly, the video goes into why they're probably T-72 not T-80. So you've just outted yourself as having not watched the video. Secondly, whether or not they were T-72, T-80 or even WW2 T-34 is irrelevant to the point of my comment.

@subjectc7505

8 ай бұрын

Pretty sure they did realize it, they wouldn't have fallen back.

@HAL_9001

8 ай бұрын

As RedEffect said, it likely damaged external modules like optics. If they had the optics doors open and were looking at the Leo then those optics almost certainly got damaged. If they had the doors closed or were facing away then they likely had no idea the Leo was there. In either case they're at a disadvantage and retreat was the right call.

I heard a story once of an Abrams in Iraq rolling through a city when they rounded a corner and spotted an armoured vehicle with a massive gun pointed right at them. Naturally, they blasted the HE round they had loaded into its face and skedaddled back round the corner. When no more fire comes at them, they eventually decide to check what the hell it was. It was a WW2-vintage Wespe. Or, more accurately by that point, two halfs of a WW2-vintage Wespe.

@343guardian5

8 ай бұрын

RIP I hate hearing of WWII Relics getting destroyed in modern battlefields :(

@user-qn3xu5ee3t

8 ай бұрын

Abrams? With HE?

@skylargray455

8 ай бұрын

That's impossible. To my knowledge no Wespe were ever exported to Iraq or Iran(if it's a previously captured Iranian vehicle from the Iran-Iraq War). What's more likely is the vehicle they encounter was a misidentified Akatsiya that has a broadly similar profile to a Wespe

@ravenof1985

8 ай бұрын

there is footage from early on in the Ukraine war of a russian BTR or similar lighting up a T34-85 on a plinth with autocannon fire.

@sting2death2

8 ай бұрын

​@@skylargray455also Abrams didn't have HE shells during the Iraq invasion.

I was expecting your review as soon as I saw the video. Great analysis as usual!

Hey, the Leo2 actually did something

@shturm9391

8 ай бұрын

not really, the video is edited

@juliuszkocinski7478

8 ай бұрын

It does quite a lot. Of course Ukrainians might over-exposure them in their footage to promote sending further units, but They are used regularily often as an unit with best sensors in area to complement drone spotting and infantry support

@cristitanase6130

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, did not explode in the first 30 minutes.

@h.a8681

8 ай бұрын

You don't see many videos of Leopards doing stuff because NATO asks Ukraine to keep them classified for a while untill they feel its safe to release them. This is why we are only seeing this video from June/July in September a few months later. I'm sure over the next few months we will see much more footage of Leopards, with it being good and bad.

@Davidt1066

8 ай бұрын

actually we dont see any tank doing anything too often

Another youtube channel has geolocated the incident and has confirmed that it took place. They also had suspicions of a doctored video but then got enough evidence to suggest the incident was highly likely. The Leopard fired from a distance of around 2.2km, hence why it was on 2 drones. They slowed the video down and can just about make out a shell coming in horizontally, suggesting a tank shell, rather than artillery. All other conclusions are the same a Red's. HE shell and a damaged but mobile tank.

@chilechichich465

8 ай бұрын

Man, watch the beginning of the video 00:05 . Leo 2A6 fires a projectile and hits something few hundred meters in front of itself. Split of a second later and it cuts to different angle. 2nd part of the video is completely different crossroads where Russian T-72 tank gets hit by artillery shell.

@ClarkGallendez

8 ай бұрын

Suchomimus?

@heyhoe168

8 ай бұрын

At this distance, HE would probably even be a deliberate choice.

@chilechichich465

8 ай бұрын

@@ClarkGallendez Watch 00:05 explosion at the crossroads. Definitely not 2 km away.

@TheBooban

8 ай бұрын

​@@chilechichich465 agree. these videos are so ridiculously edited its amazing anyone believes them, let alone these KZread "experts".

@RedEffect 0:22 it's a Canadian Leopard 2a4. The Canadian 2a4 also has additional boxes that cover the ventilation, there is also this structure at the back left of the tower like a Canadian leopard 2a4. You can see that it's a 2a4 because of the comanders optiks. That is located in front of the hatch and not behind it like on the 2A6 also the gun length is not that of a 2A6. You can see the Leopards canada send in this news Video form "The Sun" kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4uHzKOylpS5hZM.html

@piotrd.4850

8 ай бұрын

It is unlikely in the extreme Poland had donated any Leo 2Pl of 26 modernized so far. Though dumping them probably would be good idea.

@Smashmous

8 ай бұрын

@@piotrd.4850 I checked it out and you're probably right. It's more likely a Canadian 2A4. The structure at the back left of the turret looks like the one in this video where Canada sends leopards. you can also see that the Canadians also have a longer turret on the ones they send. kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4uHzKOylpS5hZM.html

@trannguyenthevu339

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, also the front of the turret doesn't have additional armor

@ligmasurvivor5600

8 ай бұрын

lol red made a mistake

@forkyforklift2924

8 ай бұрын

​@@ligmasurvivor5600time to abandon and trashtalk him in various subreddits

Suchomimus was able to successfully geolocate it, and the location of the Leo and Russian tanks lines up. I do believe however that the shot we see the Leo fire isn't the one that hit the Russian tank. In the clip of the Leo, as the camera zooms out at the end and just before it cuts to the Russian tanks, you can see a cloud of smoke just to the right of the crossroads where the round had impacted. What I think happened, is that the Leo was engaging infantry at the crossroads, then saw the Russian tanks at a distance as they moved into the gap. The crew probably then quickly fired whatever round they already had loaded in order to scare off the Russian tanks.

@seanmckenna228

8 ай бұрын

Agreed.

@TheBooban

8 ай бұрын

Then what hit the Russian tanks? This could be the same location. But different day. The tanks may never have met.

@TheFIFABoys

8 ай бұрын

Suchomimus is like the least unbiased youtuber out there

@iplaygames8090

8 ай бұрын

@@TheBooban read it again, he say the first shot in the video is on infatry and then shoots off camera and we see the impact.

@icetea8946

8 ай бұрын

​@@TheFIFABoysagreed. I used to watch him when the war first just started , he had really nice clips and straight to the point vids but then he quickly became a Ukrainian bot

Tank on tank engagements are very rare in this war, it's mostly tank hit by drones, kornets etc

@alexeishayya-shirokov3603

8 ай бұрын

Tank-on-tank engagements are pretty rare in general; tanks are breakthrough vehicles that are designed to punch through fortifications and possibly engage other tanks that get in the way, which would explain why most of the shells on board are HE rounds. A tank's deadliest rival on the battlefield isn't another tank, but rather anti-tank infantry. The battle of Prokhorovka was one of the few exceptions to this rule, and it was a colossal waste of armored vehicles that could have been otherwise put to better tactical use.

@igormsh14bidevisualizacoes45

8 ай бұрын

​@@alexeishayya-shirokov3603Nah this is another fake rule people created after this war. MBTs are made to fight other MBTs (or tanks in general) not to support infantry (Western tanks didn't even use HE, only started using now). And tank x tank engagements are not that rare, since they are used against eachother all the time. Examples? WW2 (which most tanks were destroyed by other tanks, not by artillery or infantry weapons like people started to say after this war), Gulf War, and other battles like Prokhorovka. Tank x tank combat isn't that rare, rare is to capture this in footage.

@alexeishayya-shirokov3603

8 ай бұрын

@@igormsh14bidevisualizacoes45 I actually read that before this war. There's a very prominent military historian on KZread called The Imperator Knight (TIK History) who discusses the matter at length if you're interested.

@ligmasurvivor5600

8 ай бұрын

@@igormsh14bidevisualizacoes45 its cause ww2 was when tanks were made in crazy numbers edit: modern manpats didnt exist back then in ww2 and atgm were nonexistent, now you can put atgm on literally everything including a gaz tigr

@hotlanta35

8 ай бұрын

They have happened several times in the last year and a half

To be fair for the T72 crew, getting hit by a 120mm HE is a very big significant emotional event Retreat to ensure their survival was a good choice And it was a T72 I don't think you'd be so confident using that thing against other tanks but idk Edit: Well the comments made pretty good point so I would say the T72 is a capable one, not the one I would want to send against a Leo, probably something like a T90M would have better chance of victory

@Tovalokodonc

8 ай бұрын

120mm*

@saucyinnit8799

8 ай бұрын

To be fair, Getting hit by a 120/125mm HE no matter in what Tank you are is a significant Emotional event. Massive shell shock. Also The T-72 is a capable vehicle, it's comparable to the Leopard 2, so questioning why someone tries to use a T-72 against an enemy tank you should also question why is someone using the Leopard 2 against enemy tanks as well.

@p_filippouz

8 ай бұрын

​@@saucyinnit8799not just shell shock but bye bye to external instruments

@u2beuser714

8 ай бұрын

This is the first time a western tank was used aginst an army instead of goatherders

@z_actual

8 ай бұрын

accuracy would be compromised his wingman should have covered him

Thanks AGAIN! I have seen this video several times and was waiting for your video on it!

T80 surviving 120mm shell, soo it wasn’t the bias in the War Thunder. Gaijin : 1 Russian bias : 0

*Bro was grinding a stock tank i feel his pain* 💀💀

@user-jr5my7ds3e

8 ай бұрын

WT flashbacks😂

I imagine the Leopard was moving forwards to shoot at a Russian position and suddenly they had 2x enemy tanks moving across their front. They reacted well. I imagine they then backed the hell up and loaded APFDS for good measure. There is plenty of videos of crews abandoning their perfectly serviceable vehicles when hit with something less considerable than a 120mm HE round so kudos to both tank crews.

@fantastikboom1094

8 ай бұрын

I imagine the Leopard was shooting and suddenly the reality was duct taped and there suddenly appeared 2 russian tanks.

T-80 have a reverse speed of 10km/h T-90A have a reverse speed of 5km/h T-72 have a reverse speed of 4km/h

dude i love your videos keep it up 👍

There we go, that’s better full video in now! 😂

Finally a non biased source. If the daily mail or telegraph saw they'd make it a piece of propaganda.

I liked your judgement on this. It's always a pleasure to hear your analyses

The Norwegian Leopard 2A4's (that Ukraine has received some of) also have a longer storage bins at the back of the turret, simply for storing tents and winter gear, that partially cover the radiator fans like on the A6. I think it might be one of those based on the location of the commander's independent periscope located in front of and slightly to the right of the commander's hatch, rather than behind and to the left as on the A6. But it's hard to say for certain as the footage is very grainy.

it make sense that Leo original plan was to attack manned trenches/fortification, spotted those T72 and decided to shoot frst rather than risking being the receiving end of it 😂

@glibsonoran

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, we see very few tank battles in this war. Tanks are mainly used as forward mobile artillery and to screen IFV's and dismounted infantry. If Ukraine gets past the mined entrenched positions and into open maneuver warfare then we'll see tank battles.

@atomf9143

8 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s typically how fighting works. Shoot first or be shot.

@kunaukedi4850

8 ай бұрын

The t72 that was hit had its turret looking the other way tho so how would they have received a shell when they had the element of surprise

@anidiot2818

8 ай бұрын

Spotted or got reports of them. I don't really get why you used an emoji at the end of your comment? Is there anything funny about that?

Given the rarity of tank vs tank combat it makes sense to load high explosives (for the more likely Infanterie and bunkerbusting)

Footage was geolocated, it’s the same video. Distance was about 2.28km

T-80 gave that Leopard a wink and told him. I'll be back.

@ligmasurvivor5600

8 ай бұрын

with 10 gun launched anti tank shovels

Obviously he had loaded HE because he was looking for those pesky arty in the corner of the map...

The thing that suggests that this wasn't the same event is that you can see footage of tank firing, cut, and then footage of the tank before, during and after being hit. So the situation had to have several drones looking at the different things at the same time at a pretty impressive zoom. Considering the danger to larger drones with bigger and better cameras from both jammers and AA weapons right now, it's not likely to have two covering the same chunk of frontline simultaneously exposing themselves to the same counter drone weapon/unit potentially operating in the area at once. It's possible but not likely.

@georgethompson913

8 ай бұрын

Unless the atea at the time lacked EW, or they were turned off to avoid affecting Russian drones.

@firstduckofwellington6889

8 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure the two videos have different time data

@mil1317

8 ай бұрын

happens more frequently than you think

@ramrod9556

8 ай бұрын

It definitely leans to being a produced video.

Thank you for sharing your analysis

The engagement was geo located to be N->S (reported by Suchomimus). So the tank that was hit appears to have been tagged by either an Anti-Tank Mine or shoulder-fired ordinance coming from the T-72/80's left side. _(perhaps lured into a trap, by the Leo?)_ I speculate this based on the West->East dust 'jet' that you can see, _as well as_ the small smoke/dust cloud that is visible off to the left in the field, after the drone camera wobbles and pans left just after the tank is hit. Not saying I'm right, but, that definitely caught my attention and figured it with bringing up.

@merzto

7 ай бұрын

that cloud could be just from an damaged smoke dispencer

@CMK-Security

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree. That's just two Videos cut together. But why is the question?I think it's main purpose is just for propaganda to get more and more of those advanced tanks into the country.

It can be a STRV 122 as well, there the back of the turret also covers the fans. Granted, the length of the barrel is a bit shorter on the 122, so this is probobly a 2A6.

@Fred_the_1996

8 ай бұрын

yeah, it doesnt look right for a 122

@matsv201

8 ай бұрын

@@Fred_the_1996 well true. But just saying that the turret covers half the fans is notnsufficent.

@Ermy1996

8 ай бұрын

Canadian 2a4. Looks exactly like one and they have the longer back of the turret

It's crazy how rare tank on tank engagments are in this war you would think we would have seen a shit ton of tank on tank duel footage by now but those damn artillery, mines, drones and AT teams ruining the fun for everyone

@rexomi17

8 ай бұрын

As a Airforce and SFlover. I find funny but we evolve whether you love it or not.

@h.h.8433

8 ай бұрын

We did see Alyosha in action. That was pretty cool. It was like a movie actually.

@teargass1849

8 ай бұрын

It's not unuiqe to this war, 99% of what tanks do is not fighting other tanks, in every war since the tank was invented. In WW2 most allied Sherman where knocked out by anti tank guns, not other tanks, most Iraqi tanks blown up in the Gulf where destroyed by Airpower.

@Giacomo020189

8 ай бұрын

I've seen this one , and 2 more , both russia t80 shooting ukraine t64 at point blank , 1 was ambush , the other straight in front of the tank

@OleDiaBole

8 ай бұрын

Fun? FUN? You will surely burn if there is hell

Tank dueling happens : *You have summoned the Red Effect*

Suchomimus has done some geolocation work that suggests this is likely a genuine clip from two different perspectives (ie two different spotter drones). He does do a lot of geolocating so I’m inclined to trust his conclusion. He does follow the general opinion that these are T80’s, but I’m equally inclined to take RedEffect’s opinion on the Russian tanks. And yes, this is a victorious engagement for the L2. Two Russian tanks retreated from being engaged by one Ukrainian one, with one likely suffering damage to external fittings requiring repairs. It meant that whatever operation the Ukraine units were on could continue as planned while the Russian one could not. Definition of a Mission Kill in my mind.

@vloplob

8 ай бұрын

I agree. The term here is a "mission kill".

@Mortablunt

8 ай бұрын

I’m impressed after nearly 2 years of Russia basically dominating every single armor engagement that happens, Ukraine gets solid win. Molodets, krepkiy vrag.

@vloplob

8 ай бұрын

@@Mortablunt The numbers are clearly speaking a different language, troll.

@Vandelberger

8 ай бұрын

@@vloplobHe must be counting the now Ukrainian operated Russian tanks that were “donated” in the first week of the war, killing other Russian tanks currently. All are Russian kills, yes?

@Biervampir92

8 ай бұрын

@@Mortablunt 80+ losses of T-90 tanks vs less than 20 losses of western tanks say otherwise LOL

Imagine the noise from the exploding shell from inside the tank. The Russian tanks made the right choice and got the hell out of there.

I don't see the curved "offramp" roads in the video of the Leopard firing. If you look at the very end of the Leopard video after the crossroads, there is a single road, no curved side roads. I agree I think it is two videos spliced together.

@ionfleming3648

8 ай бұрын

Also, there is a gap in the trees along the left side that isn't present in the Leopard video. I that one, the trees are solid all the way to the crossroad intersection on the bottom side of the road.

@pandibbarman

8 ай бұрын

​@@ionfleming3648there are some KZreadrs who geolocated this incident and the location seems pretty much the same shown in the video

@pandibbarman

8 ай бұрын

​@@ionfleming3648It's already geolocated and seems it did happened and there were two drones in two different sides.

Lost this fight but ran off to fight another day, yep.

@retardmoguss

8 ай бұрын

and thus continous the exhausting war of attrition

@swunt10

8 ай бұрын

That thing is toast. Warped chassis/turret and everything spalling inside.

@retardmoguss

8 ай бұрын

i would doubt it is that bad, otherwise the crew would not be able to retreat that quickly and efficiently@@swunt10

There's a strong possibility that the shot of the Leopard belongs to a different place or situation, the explosion by the 2 russian tanks is, in my humble opinion, too round to be a direct hit on one of the 2 tanks, like it was an artillery shell on the ground between the tanks. the shape of the blast is too regular and rising directly in a vertical direction, rather to be even partially horizontal in the case of a hit on the ERA protection of the tank. To me, shot and blast are non connected.

@h.a8681

8 ай бұрын

It has been geolocated the the locations of both vehicles and distance seem correct. The shot appears to explode from the side of the Russian tank, yes it went vertically but all explosions do that to a degree. It seems much more plausible that a 120mm HE round hit the side of the Russian tank

@kolumbos

8 ай бұрын

Same for me!

Don’t think it’s HE. Most likely it’s „MZ“, short for „Mehrzweck“ -> Multi Purpose That’s a shape charge which is for light armored vehicles and against infantry targets. But in different for a real HE, it has a lag of shrapnel’s. In German Army, we didn’t had for leopard 2 HE shells, until the Leopard 2A7V.

@611ff59b

8 ай бұрын

I thought that too, I think NATO tanks (especially Leo, Abrams) rarely use pure HE but HEAT-MP rounds, contrary to former eastern bloc countries which brings dedicated HE rounds.

@611ff59b

8 ай бұрын

In that case the ERA on the russian tank saved it from being knocked out

Coming from the ukrainian side... i doubt of those two clips happened in the same place, at the same time

What is your outro music? Sounds really great, tried to shazam it and it couldn't find it

Tanks for watching!

@Kroq_Gar

8 ай бұрын

😂

Russian tank survived direct hit..that is awesome no matter what

I have a feeling there would be a lot of angry shovel seeking that Leo

@OtherlingQueen

8 ай бұрын

*BOBR logo appears next to you*

@ligmasurvivor5600

8 ай бұрын

@@OtherlingQueen ukranians need shovel proof technology

@user-uy8fw5sp4t

8 ай бұрын

Да надо будет на фронт привезти еше немного бронебойных саперных лопат

@OtherlingQueen

8 ай бұрын

@@ligmasurvivor5600 I think what they need more than anti-shovel technology is to dodge FPVs more efficiently

@ligmasurvivor5600

8 ай бұрын

@@OtherlingQueen cope cages should stop fpvs

Thank you very much. There are the best analyzes ever found to come across you tube. I appreciate the deep knowledge of the subject. Thanks. Tom 49/44/29 // 13/22/57 a tankman

It's standard practice for tanks to have an HE round loaded when driving around the battlefield. When sighting another tank tactic dictates to shoot what you have loaded and then to load sabot

@herptek

8 ай бұрын

If you have a reason to expect tank engagements sabot is the best plan. Infantry can be dealt with by co-axial as well if you run into them. HEDP might be sufficient round if you don't know exactly what you can expect to encounter.

@sangay9361

8 ай бұрын

@@herptek ypu might be right, but usually tanks don‘t do that

@herptek

8 ай бұрын

@@sangay9361 They don't do what exactly, expect tank engagements?

finally leopard 2a6 wins the lottery

@Future183

8 ай бұрын

It could win a lot more if it engages tanks instead of drones or artillery

@LutherusPXCs

8 ай бұрын

@@Future183 Not really, most of it is situational awareness, the Tank that spots the other first wins basically. If I am a Leo I am calling for back up before I engage a T72, it could just as easily destroy you.

@Future183

8 ай бұрын

@@LutherusPXCs nah. Leo has proofen better capabilitys to spot the enemy first. Thats one of its most important Features.

@almightymanshadow1002

8 ай бұрын

True but it dosnt matter when enemies have 100 times more tanks.@@Future183

So-called “vatnik” making an honest unbiased assessment of a video. Love ur content Red, keep it up!

@correctionguy7632

8 ай бұрын

RedEffect is not really a vatnik, a large portion of his audience on the other hand..

What about the smoke a short time after the Tank fired on the right side of the junction. In the first of the two clips

War Thunder in real life. HE rounds really doesn't destroy the tank at all, but 1st shot is a lucky shot.

I think its piled together. The roads look different. After zooming out, there is smoke in the front of leopard, bit further away, on the road. Because of the treelines, we can assume that the Russian tank would be on the left side of the leopard, close to the road. But then looking at the video of the Russians, the tank is in such a spot, that it would be impossible for the leopard to see the tank if we assume that the Russian tank would be close to the road. If someone has any other theories, feel free to comment :)

@whoareyouyouareclearlylost323

8 ай бұрын

I actually can't make any assessments, because of the large distances between the tanks it's already impossible to have all 'participants' in the same picture. It could be real but also fake, 1 thing for dure Russian tanks are dropping fast...

@benjaminnagy3007

8 ай бұрын

We dont know the distance the engagement took place so everything is possible.

@modenasolone

8 ай бұрын

I call BS as well.

@denisdenisov7623

8 ай бұрын

it's a composite of two videos. The cameraman could have turned the drone's camera towards the hit, but instead you're shown a montage. Whose tanks? What's the hit from? What's the leopard got to do with it?

@benjaminnagy3007

8 ай бұрын

@@denisdenisov7623 the hit on the russian tanks was definietly a high explosive shell theres no doubt about it. The question is wether it was fired from a tank or arty. It looks like a direct hit on the tank so it really cant be arty. Otherwise it would be destroyed. A 120mm HE round reacting with ERA can cause an explosion we seen in the video. Was it the leopard? Possibly. We dont know the range the engagement took place so it would explain the camera angles and the terrain difference.

I don’t really think the turret rear alone is enough to identify the tank as a Leo 2A6 seeing as the Finnish 2A4 has an enlarged turret rear as well.

@vincediscombe7360

8 ай бұрын

So seeing your comment made me think "good point" so I had a quick look- From what I found, the Fins have sent 3 leo2 to ukraine for mineclearing and training duties, rather than frontline combat. Based on that I doubt this is a finnish leopard.

@bighobo7745

8 ай бұрын

@@vincediscombe7360 Other comments suggest this is a Canadian 2A4 as that has a similar extended turret and were sent to Ukraine.

Yea anytime a video cuts it goes into the suspicious at best category.

I find it very intriguing how the tanks didn't shoot back, or how that leopard was just alone, but there is always the possibility that more armor was down the road but it only shows the leo. But if so i wonder why they would just have a single tank engage enemies, because Russia usually has tanks in pairs of two or three. But also if we could get any updates on the T-90M's in ukraine right now that would be very informative.

@denisdenisov7623

8 ай бұрын

it's a composite of two videos. The cameraman could have turned the drone's camera towards the hit, but instead you're shown a montage. Whose tanks? What's the hit from? What's the leopard got to do with it? Kringe.

@zomfgroflmao1337

8 ай бұрын

There was a Bradley behind the Leopard, so my guess would be the Leopard A6 was the spearhead for a column (which would make total sense, have your heaviest armor in front).

@doge8825

8 ай бұрын

@@denisdenisov7623classic vatnik take. “Leopard tanks are inferior to Russian wunderwaffle” “wait, what do you mean 1 Leo humiliated 2 Russian tanks by itself? FAKE!” “Ukraine gay Nazis are inferior. They will never destroy superior Russian supersoldaten.” “Wait, what do you mean they’re in Sevastopol? Fake soros funded globohomo conspiracy!”

@tonyhindi1741

8 ай бұрын

@@denisdenisov7623seems like an two different videos. The Russian tank looks like it hit a land mine or it was a close artillery shell

@outandaboutintheworl

8 ай бұрын

@@denisdenisov7623 You actually want to pretend that someone doctored vision to create a video in which a Russian tank was hit but not destroyed? And you want to pretend a drone camera can tilt to show a second tank 2 to 3kms away, and produce useable vision. That's very silly, Denis.

Looks like two different video footage in my opinion: But im not there, so we just have to go with what we see.

There we go, it's fixed

@avus-kw2f213

8 ай бұрын

Original video started around 1:25

Clearly two different videos spliced together. If a Leopard was out in the open, lancet drones would be having a field day

@xaiano794

8 ай бұрын

Geolocated and confirmed

@everydayrussia

8 ай бұрын

​@@xaiano794by trustworthy Ukrainian sources

Could it be that the round, whether it be a HE or armor piercing, hit the ERA on tue Russian tank and that's why there was such a big explosion? Either way, i think it was extremely wise for the tanks to retreat immediately. They didn't know if anything on the tank was damaged or if the crew was fine. I once read that in german tanks during ww2, the germans after taking a hit had to individually sound off to see if everyone was alright and that would take time. They could retreat and call in an artillery or drone strike.

@a5cent

8 ай бұрын

ERA alone would NOT have resulted in that large of an explosion. It was an HE round hitting ERA.

@atomf9143

8 ай бұрын

ERA is powerful, but not that powerful. You’d definitely need a HE shell plus ERA to make that, an AT shell + ERA wouldn’t even be that big.

@jorgefloyd6989

8 ай бұрын

Have any of you 🤡 ever seen modern reactive armor blow up? Ok. Shut up with your, it's an HE round. 🤣 Mo Rons.

@LewisB3217

8 ай бұрын

An HE shell detonated, you can see it left one of the tanks turrets smoking at the top

@maratpirate6343

8 ай бұрын

the era probably saved the tank but it definetly was HE round, or it was not a tank round at all

Could also been an APFSDS overpenning and triggering ERA blocks.

@alexandervandenberghe2550

8 ай бұрын

ERA don’t explode like that

Does anyone see the impact a few feet infront of the leopard?

@Goseh

8 ай бұрын

yes , and how there seem to be a concrete road on leo vid while none can be seen in the t72 vid

@puma2334

8 ай бұрын

@@Gosehit was 2 kilometers away, as geolocated from Suchomimus

@chilechichich465

8 ай бұрын

@@puma2334 Then what did Leo hit in the video at 00:05 ?

@puma2334

8 ай бұрын

@@chilechichich465 The T-72?????

@chilechichich465

8 ай бұрын

@@puma2334 Excellent. Finally somebody reasonable. Was that 2.2 km away? Is it the same crossroads in the 2nd part of the video?

Great analysis. Only facts and what is verifiable or likely from what you can see. No hyperbole or political opinion. Excellent observer. Keep up the great work!

Also the road in the first clip has asphalt and it continues up, in the second clip most of the roads are muddy, doesn’t add up

2 difference videos together

@xaiano794

8 ай бұрын

Geolocated and confirmed

Most unbiased youtuber❤

they are two different engagements. you can see the explosion from the leopard shot on the other side of the crossroad. at 0:06 and again at 1:51 they hit nothing but bushes.

@charlesstockings663

8 ай бұрын

at 2:15 you have the video paused so you can clearly see the smoke from the shot on the right-hand side of the screen.

Would you make a video response on Russia restarting T-80 production based on experience from SMO?

i think id turn back if i got hit with that distance cus that s enough telling me it had me target lock centered

Watch in slow motion 1:03 You can see a screen similar to HEAT 0:06 can be seen An explosion occurs in front of the leopard And I don’t think Ukraine didn’t prioritize changing shells when it discovered Russian tanks in advance.

@non9886

8 ай бұрын

yeah, it is so stupid to say that tank should shoot as fast as possible. maybe in game. this is nonsense. tank should be invisible as long as it possible untill is in good distance and position to destroy target. and to use right ammunition is not even arguable...

@truereaper4572

8 ай бұрын

@@non9886 You don't know what you're talking about.

@AnimaRandom

8 ай бұрын

​@@non9886 In this situation, changing shells isn't ideal. Its slow and you might get discovered earlier on If this is abrahams, its fine since it can take few punches from a russian tank (see: operation desert storm) But this is leo, we dont know yet if it can take a hit.

@tre3879

8 ай бұрын

​@@AnimaRandom You ignored a question If the Ukrainian drone was in that location, they had at least a minute to prepare or more. I can understand that if you happen to be in this situation, firing is the best option. But when you have drones for reconnaissance, it's weird for a leopard to use HE for attack.

@ligmasurvivor5600

8 ай бұрын

@@AnimaRandomyeah it can take short steel apfsds from the sides and fron but it prob wont take long DU and long tungsten sabots from the sides, maybe the front

What tank is the Russian one? On the internet they are saying that it was a T-80, some say that it was a BVM, others that it was a BV.

I’m not expert but in the video when the leopard shoots you can see the explosion in the intersection right in front of it meaning it was shooting at the ground maybe targeting a mine ?

Your vehicle is hit. if the impact (whether direct or indirect) caused enough trouble so that you have to retreat, then you have lost the engagement. Better to call it there and assess the damage (maybe even save the vehicle in the process) than risk being hit with another possibly deadlier round.

Big leopard 2 W

@theeditingdepartment9421

8 ай бұрын

@@crispy682 what makes you think that?

@DrywallMuncher_

8 ай бұрын

​@@crispy682i did, can confirm, leopard w

Hello Red! How do you evaluate the news about the restoration of T-80 production? I view this news with doubt, because... for the whole of Russia - 1 multi-tonnage machine, with a matrix tailored for the T-72.

Is there a follow up shot from the Leo crew?

Suchomimus also made a video about this battle. He geo-located the tanks and it does confirm that this video is real.

@buravan1512

8 ай бұрын

Suchomimus can never be trusted,

@SuzukiDLL

8 ай бұрын

@@buravan1512 Does it matter who geolocates something? Given the data is correct it shouldnt matter right?

@alexalbrecht5768

8 ай бұрын

@@buravan1512okay Russian propagandist. The truth hurts I know.

@SweatyFeetGirl

8 ай бұрын

suchomimus is literally the prime example of propaganda....@@alexalbrecht5768

@koskok2965

8 ай бұрын

@@alexalbrecht5768 So he's a Russian propagandist for bringing up a valid point? Suchomimus is a proud partisan and he doesn't even try to hide it. Why would anyone trust him? I'm not arguing that he couldn't do a proper analysis on some event and cement its validity with evidence and bulletproof logic, but taking his words at face value without checking every single step in his proofs is moronic.

I wouldn't call that a victory because even if we don't consider cut between leopard shooting and T-72 being hit, video still cuts too soon, so we can't see if T-72 is retreating or rather changing position to be in advantage.

@theeditingdepartment9421

8 ай бұрын

I bet the sights on the T-72/T-90 was damaged from the HE round, that's why they got out of there.

@billturner6564

8 ай бұрын

Cop on

@Kira559

8 ай бұрын

@@billturner6564the only one coping here is you . He just said his opinion and there is nothing wrong with his opinion . He has a good point

@billturner6564

8 ай бұрын

@@Kira559 yes it's a good opinion from Russia.. So is yours The t72 leave the seen 1 with no era You make up a fantasy to make it more beautiful.... This was not the Alamo it wasn't the big thing 1 way ore the othere but you want to put a positive spin 😭 cry me a river

@krhml3092

8 ай бұрын

@@theeditingdepartment9421 After being hit T-72 was inside cloud of dust, so reason for changing positions more likely is getting out of this dust cloud. Also mentioning the dust - I don't think sights were damaged, because HE most likely hit bottom of the tank or even ground under the tank, so sights should be ok, maybe just a little dirty.

Looking at the video from the ground there seems to be a road branching off to the left exactly where the tank is shot, while from the top view the cloud smoke has only trees in that same place. I feel like those are two seperate pieces of footage simply chained together because the place looked similar. This war has the worst media manipulation we've ever seen. And it's done by both sides. So, I don't blindly believe an ounce of what either side claims.

How do the Optics of a T72 fare after being hit with an HE shell?

@pyrobytee

8 ай бұрын

gotta be heavily damaged if the high explosive shell hit the turret

@leileijoker8465

8 ай бұрын

Probably unusable after being hit. That's why they had to retreat

@kwlkid85

8 ай бұрын

Different T-72 variants have been fitted with loads of different optics. I'm sure some will hold up better than others. Most still use 1 or 2 IR searchlights, quite likely those are destroyed so at minimum would have limited night and smoke vision.

@Ruzzky_Bly4t

8 ай бұрын

I know nothing about that, but it almost certainly depends on where it gets hit. If it hits in the area of the sight, probably a lot of damage, if 2 meters away in the hull, probably not much.

The only part about this analysis that I agree with is that the Russian tanks were either T-80 or T-72 as I guessed earlier. However that side exhaust makes sense so I can believe T-72. I do think the video is very likely doctored by AFU Intelligence as they have a long history of doing this with the T-90M. Not to mention neither Russian tank fired back and if you can see the enemy in broad daylight, the enemy can see you.

Are we even sure that the footage of the leo 2 and Russian tanks are the same engagement? I mean the leo 2 fires and we can see the explosion just down the road cross the junction. That leo 2 can only see down the road in front so has a very narrow firing ark. I think these are two completely different events.

@LewisB3217

8 ай бұрын

It’s been geolocated 😂

@LtKillerSAS

8 ай бұрын

​@@LewisB3217not seen anything about this.... even if true both bits of footage could be released same time in a similar area and both bits of footage geo located in similar area. Just because its geo located doesn't mean that this it's the same engagement. They could be weeks apart. Confirmation would be seeing the all tanks in the same footage. By the looks of this the footage is taken by two separate drones as well. If this is the same engagement then thoes shots must be taken as 1 or 2km otherwise we should easily have footage of all the tanks in the same clip from the same drone, however we dont...or well at least not yet. So yes something smacked that Russian tank.... but was it a Leo 2.... dont know.

Super analysis 💪

an apfsds shell probably would have destroyed the russian tank, but it must have fired a HE or heat-fs at the t-72/90 what survived thanks to its ERA protection at its side (kontakt-1, kontakt-5 or relikt)

@Ruzzky_Bly4t

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, I also watched the video.

@icetea8946

8 ай бұрын

could have been an apfsds and the tank just got lucky, ive seen a video of a T-90A shooting an abandoned T-64BV in the sides below the turret where the ammo would be and it didnt explode until the T-90 fired another one

@youmad7068

8 ай бұрын

Or the video is edited footage of two different events and this duel never happened

@katyushatman5187

8 ай бұрын

@@youmad7068 it dont matter if its edited or not, it shows a russian tank get hit from side and survived

So we all agree that if you shoot but no kill and if the enemy retreat it's consider a victory ?

@jahinsadman1505

8 ай бұрын

Just give them the victory bro, it's not like we lost a tank or crew lol let's be generous once in a while

@ligmasurvivor5600

8 ай бұрын

@@jahinsadman1505 not rlly a victory

Can you make another bmpt or a t44 video

Thanks Red.

So that T-72 would’ve been crippled if the Leopard 2A6 crew loaded a Sabot round before hand. So I guess we could assume that the reason why they loaded an HE round was because their original mission could’ve been to engage Russian fortifications and lightly armored IFVs and APCs, since from what I read that is what HE rounds are mainly used for, and everybody knows that Sabot rounds are used for tank on tank engagements. All in all these engagements are rare during this war like how a few months back when we all saw the T-80 engage an armored column with drone and artillery support. Honestly it was smart for those T-72s to retreat especially the one that got hit. And this is one of Ukraine’s few tank on tank victories in this war so far, or are there any other victories?

@sys3248

8 ай бұрын

First one with Western tank.

@moalzaben5554

8 ай бұрын

@@sys3248 yeah because the others were usually either with T-64s, T-72s, T-80s or BM Oplots/T-84s

@moalzaben5554

8 ай бұрын

@@Mal101M yeah that’s true, and to my knowledge it was only T-64s that engaged Russian tanks seen in videos from last year with Russian T-72s emerging as victorious, but I am just pointing out that Oplots were Ukraine’s most modern tank before the arrival of Leopard 2s and Challenger 2s, right?

@iMost067

8 ай бұрын

@@moalzaben5554 its still most modern Ukrane`s tank. Its for sure better than challenger

@intlon4299

8 ай бұрын

@@sys3248First one on video by western tank*

Looks very much cut to look like it's a tank vs tank. The shot would most likely go hit the trees instead of the road. Also the second part looks like a simple 90° turn. But the first part is a 4 way intersection.

high explosive round making sense as first round to deal with ERA, as a lot of them might go on

@Ruzzky_Bly4t

8 ай бұрын

An AP round from a leo will go through the ERA like it's butter, no need to waste the first shot opportunity on that. They just had the wrong round loaded.

@kanestalin7246

8 ай бұрын

Thats not how ERA works

I used to one-shot mothertruckers with my KV-2 rounds in WT. Leopards and T series are very similar. Whoever gets the first shot, wins.

@loganwalker8537

8 ай бұрын

Its true about first shots but they are not the same tanks

Its allready geolocated and proven to be 2 drones that observed.

@chilechichich465

8 ай бұрын

Then what was that on 00:05 that Leo 2a6 hit?

@Thor_Asgard_

8 ай бұрын

@@chilechichich465 a T72 with HE. no 80BVM as the exhaust would be on the arse and not on the side left.

Canadian supplied Leopard 2A4 with the extended turret bustle rather than an A6?

isn't digital editing a wonderful thing? Let's you create what ever fictional story your little heart desire's.

This looks like an edited video. The Leopard fires directly down a tree lined road, but there is no intersection near where the tank was 'hit'. Second, the explosion is up and out and ejects a lot of earth, so it appears to be a mine. If just the edge of the track caught it, a mine may not immobilize a MBT.

@LewisB3217

8 ай бұрын

That explosion looks nothing like a mine but ok, mines usually yk, cripple the tank they’re hitting, doesn’t matter if it’s the “edge” of the track 😂

@truereaper4572

8 ай бұрын

If it were a mine the tank would not have been able to drive away lmao

@springbloom5940

8 ай бұрын

@@LewisB3217 Reading comprehension isn't a thing, these days, huh? And in fact, single mine hits have failed to disable Ukrainian T72s, which is why Russia started double laying them. Had you been paying any attention, youd know there have been numerous news segments specifically on Russia 'stacking' mines, because single mines weren't doing the job.

@LewisB3217

8 ай бұрын

@@springbloom5940 I don’t pay attention to Russian news, you got me there 🤣 either way, that wasn’t a mine

@springbloom5940

8 ай бұрын

@@LewisB3217 Don't even possess the capacity to feel embarrassed, do you?

If vehicle immobilized and crew decided to ran - that's a win. If vehicle destroyed, but crew survived - that's still a win. If vehicle destroyed and crew as well - that's total win. If vehicle was hit, but wasn't immobilized and crew managed to safely withdraw from combat in the same tank - that's just you're trying to cope by calling it's a win, because it's anything but.

@forgerfalscher2125

8 ай бұрын

the russian tanks were forced out of the combat zone by the ukranians.. only one who is coping is you

@luckyo11

8 ай бұрын

HE would almost certainly break a lot of things on the tank, resulting in effective mission kill. I.e. the tank must abandon the current mission and retreat for repairs to be effective battlefield implement again.

@deaks25

8 ай бұрын

The phrase “Mission Kill” exists for a reason. You don’t have to destroy your enemy (although it helps), you just have to make sure they can’t operate as they want. Damaging a tank badly enough to make it combat ineffective and force it back to depo for significant repairs removes it from the battlefield. While it’s a temporary loss, it’s still removed from the battlefield all the same.

@matthewgibbs6886

8 ай бұрын

the only winners in war are the mic and politicians never forget that

@Rius9106

8 ай бұрын

And what if the leopard ran away from the t-72 after taking a hit straight into the face. Would you consider that a win for the t-72?