Thanks for watching guys, this is I think at the moment the most comprehensive video looking at appearances of these tanks. Sources and full article available here - armourersbench.com/2024/05/12/the-turtle-tank-evolves/ Thanks - Matt.

@LifelongExperience

24 күн бұрын

Should the exposed tracks now be the priority of the FPV drones? If successful, once immobilised an open hatch or artillery strike should sort them out. How much of a punch is needed to break a track?

@CLOCKROOK

24 күн бұрын

a

@CatToy4000

24 күн бұрын

a

@chriscummings4206

24 күн бұрын

Seems as though I remember (being a child during the 80s) that there was a lot of concern about reactive armor on Soviet tanks, and that was defeated!

@Jon-ox7hk

24 күн бұрын

These tanks are the natural evolution of Soviet artillery focused doctrine. Both sides use their tanks for indirect fire, so we will likely see these tanks repurposed for that role as well since they have the added benefit of protection against drones. I can see the future of the war heading towards heavily armored, drone resistant vehicles shelling everything into oblivion.

War in 21st Century Expectation: Lazers and Robots Reality: Turtle Tank

@Kinetic.44

23 күн бұрын

Man that's funny, darn 80's movies got our hopes up

@KermitFrazierdotcom

23 күн бұрын

Weld a Dumpster on your D-8 and still get shot up

@qwertyrewq000

23 күн бұрын

Well drones really a thing nowadays, and lasers used for guiding also

@hgyuuuuhj098

23 күн бұрын

WARHAMMER 40K

@Subhumanoid_

23 күн бұрын

"Assault sheds"

I wonder how long it takes, till it evolves to a full scale medieval siege tower

@cotizacionesequipo1719

24 күн бұрын

waiting for a scorpion turtle tank, a mangonel turtle tank and a trebuchet turtle tank.

@Whatsupwiththisname

24 күн бұрын

Till the moment when artillery and Javelins will arrive

@5.45x39_

24 күн бұрын

MFers will build titans from WH 40k xddd

@bigblue6917

24 күн бұрын

That would be worth a look.

@D-1307

24 күн бұрын

​@@5.45x39_ All praise the Omnissiah

- Captain! There is a barn over there! - And? - It's charging at us!

Everybody gangsta till the shed starts shooting high explosive

@misterdark-pl3jo

16 күн бұрын

and then gangsta again when they see that it fires and hitsnothing because this shed-tank is almost blind

@ASGerner

Күн бұрын

Every day we stray closer to WH40K walking churches

That ain't a turtle, that's a tank evolving into a crab, the ultimate form.

@patrick-hill-3000

23 күн бұрын

The longer I think about it, you are absolutely right!!

@commmarine9547

23 күн бұрын

Waiting for it to turn into robot.....

@MrTigracho

23 күн бұрын

Feels like a tank destroyer tbh

@emongu1

23 күн бұрын

From their track record, it's most likely a tank destroyed.

@maxkore278

23 күн бұрын

hermit crab

Russia's war thunder tree gonna look like mad max vechiles

@MrLuzakman

20 күн бұрын

Just play Crossout at this point

@pitnorman

20 күн бұрын

Good enough reason for mad Max April Fools event

@jbmst1450

20 күн бұрын

@@MrLuzakman crossout somehow became a worse trainwreck than warthunder though lmao

@angelsantiago4903

19 күн бұрын

Lol. Thats hilarious.

@fourfourfoureightyfour23

19 күн бұрын

LoL for real

The most interesting thing is that this is an ingenious solution in the current realities, when drones are thrown into the roof.

@darugdawg2453

18 күн бұрын

Overhype. Id say the jammers make more sense an practical

@elidean5287

18 күн бұрын

@@darugdawg2453 a jammer is more practical than a piece of metal? are you serious?

@OneBiasedOpinion

18 күн бұрын

This is top-tier desperation. It’s called “we don’t have anything to fight off what our opponents are throwing at us anymore, so we’re throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.”

@heistbros8575

18 күн бұрын

​@@OneBiasedOpinion Just like when Americans put everything including sandbags on their tanks just to stop a tiger from blowing a hole straight through them.

@user-wy7lj2bo7p

18 күн бұрын

Its just a one part of the "drones problem" solution. Jammers, cheap anti-air defence, cloud-type goose hunting style. War is never change but it changes everything else.

Little story: There is a game called "Crossout". A PvP battles between vehicles, that players can craft from scratch. Developers were expecting players to come up with cool designs for their vehicles, mounting weapons and armor and show creativity. What instead happened is minmaxing. Moving abominations, fitted with ridiculous decorations. One of the most powerful and meta weapons was a massive cannon. That deals insane amounts of damage. Completely destroying the part it hits. So players placed on their vehicles... chrmistmas tree decorations, that had 1health point and large hitbox. So these massive cannons hit tree, destroy tree, but dont deal damage to the other components. Basically those trees acted as protective one-time use layers. And here we are. With people placing metal sheets on top of a tank to take drone strike. Same concept. Same execution.

@neirucha

3 күн бұрын

Would love to see pictures

@romanpyatibratov4361

3 күн бұрын

@@neirucha sadly i wasnt playing this game. It was my long forgotten friend who tried to get me into game and we played couple games where he showcased his meta build. it was vehicles on legs. with 2 massive cannons, trap harpoon mine and covered with christmas tree decorations. Each tree could tank 1 shot from these massive cannons, which were meta. It costed nothing. And protected vehicle. This forced developers to change how decorations work. They no longer block bullets or smth. Dont quite remember. It was like 7 years ago

@neirucha

3 күн бұрын

​@@romanpyatibratov4361This reminds me of the "Free WiFi APCs" in the Philippines, they would outfit GKN Simba APCs with wooden palettes to prematurely detonate RPGs

“But sir we can’t see the other 350 degrees…” “Don’t worry, you’re only going forward.”

@valyshknee4203

21 күн бұрын

its not a joke of a vehicle dude the tank is very very effective against drones since drones explode upon contact which is an issue when the surfare they're blowing up against has a giant space between the place its hitting and where it wants to hit

@karenrobertsdottir4101

21 күн бұрын

They've ruined the functionality of the vehicle for everything but being a mostly-blind easily-bogged-down troop transport, in order to reduce the risk of one specific threat. But the fact that it seems to have reduced the risk of said threat is leading to everyone doubling down on the idea.

@Idk-cz9ms

21 күн бұрын

@@valyshknee4203yeah era can’t cover everything so this honestly might be worth the trade offs shits fucked everyone keeps celebrating about these modern invincible tanks being destroyed but all of them are helpless to drones

@realize8405

21 күн бұрын

​@@karenrobertsdottir4101 if they're doing indirect fire the loss of vision isn't really an issue.

@LiftandCoa

21 күн бұрын

"No step back!"

Remember, it’s not stupid if it works.

@Del_S

24 күн бұрын

Does it though? You're protected better against one weapon, but now far bigger, somewhat slower, your own situational awareness is weakened, your guns have far less fire angles, you're going to have less range with the vehicle, you're going to be pushing the engine and suspension to or past their limits, you're going to be harder to recover if broken down, and you aren't really going to be protected against traditional threats like ATGMs or Artillery. Seems like a lot of drawbacks on the tradeoff to me, which is probably why these vehicles seem to be going on one way missions most of the time we see them.

@martino7263

24 күн бұрын

​@@Del_Sit's useful in the Pointman role, it draws FPVs freeing the other tanks in the column and paves the way through minefields. It's not a combat tank but a supporting tank.

@gimigimi1299

24 күн бұрын

It does not😂😂 🇷🇺🤡

@user-yj1on3bf1v

24 күн бұрын

@@Del_S A tank like Abrams and Leopard is useless, where due to the weight you cannot install protection against drones. and Russian soldiers know better what works in a real war.

@Azmania3000

24 күн бұрын

​@@Del_S yerrr; but that arty salvo is going to be directed by a drone with a thermal camera anyway. And the purpose of the tank is probably to get the arty to fire so I can be counter-batteried. And it's not like Russian tanks have a reverse gear so you're probably better off abandoning the tank. So the fpv fuel bomb drone is probably the highest threat target. It's not like these Russian crews are making turtle shells to get more views on tik tok my man

So, MADMAX is evolving from a work of fiction to a documentary 😅.

@sadge0

6 күн бұрын

in this case it'll be called "Mad Ivan" XD

That’s the difference between making military hardware immediately applied and tested in the field, and making them in a boardroom and designing them to look cool to be sold on brochures. What works ain’t that glamorous but gets the job done, what sucks is expensive to make and is sold to people who have the money to spend to look threatening but dread having to lose the equipment in a real fight - making it money going down the drain.

@Robocop-qe7le

17 күн бұрын

we don't know if the turtle shell works. it certainly block the view.

@Morneir

17 күн бұрын

@@Robocop-qe7le There are often a whole bunch of anti-drone jammers under these sheets of metal and welded fences, which are a much bigger problem. One such tank covers everyone around it. It looks stupid but effective.

@Robocop-qe7le

17 күн бұрын

@@Morneir if is under the sheets of metal then it doesn't work because Faraday and his cage. Jammers can only be fitted outside the shell.

@user-jf6kd4tz5g

17 күн бұрын

you mean takticool

@fluffynator6222

17 күн бұрын

Yes, generals are focused on looks. Totally not on testscand statistics.

It looks more and more like Mad Max. Every tank becomes a unique piece of hardware.

@Ravishrex1

24 күн бұрын

Crossout

@sonnigundbelanglos

24 күн бұрын

... There is literally no difference.

@bertiesworld

24 күн бұрын

No, its more like Robot wars. Robots in that show also slowly evolved and then one appeared that tended to make mincemeat out of all the others until a better one came along.

@user-vu3pe7ui6g

24 күн бұрын

WARHAMMER 40K

@rico-228

24 күн бұрын

skibidi toilet defence simulator

What isn't mentioned in this video or others is that this is only one tank in a formation. This "turtle" tank leads other tanks and is fit with a signal jammer. It is also fitted with mine protection. This tank will lead others through a minefield and will also protect the other tanks.

@ghostpiratelechuck2259

12 күн бұрын

Yes this is the point.

@Jean_023

9 күн бұрын

cool. Just asking cause I'm not as well informed, were do you get your news about the war?

@TheArmourersBench

9 күн бұрын

Yep, that's what they do. Mentioned in the previous video I did about these actually.

@Alienmeth

8 күн бұрын

@TheArmourersBench I have not seen the previous video, but I will check it out, Thanks.

@Alienmeth

8 күн бұрын

@Jean_023 I like the New Atlas, but he can get a bit preachy at times. Also, this Belarusian guy called Military Summary. However, you have to be able to see biases to get relevant information.

This is just an ad-hoc form of spaced armour, and spaced armour works well to defend against certain types of munitions. This style of armour will likely become broadly adopted if it works well, although it will be better engineered to allow for better visibility and turret traverse.

@zshadows

16 күн бұрын

US will probably mount some cameras on a rotating turret shell, hook it up to an AR helmet for a 360° battlefield view, and charge a $500,000 premium. It will work well in small volumes and be completely unsustainable in modern war if our tech manufacturing is outsourced.

@hongo3870

10 күн бұрын

I think an "umbrella" turret shroud would be better. This turtle armor is useless against A.T rockets, its just to stop drone dropped grenades and such. So why lose turret traverse? Why not just make an umbrella or some kind of slanted grill ontop of the turret

@guypierson5754

7 күн бұрын

Yeah my thought was "Well, if nothing else the Ukraine is making Russia waste time and money building turrets on what are becoming essentially assault guns."

@sadge0

6 күн бұрын

@@hongo3870 because making it function like an umbrella instead of a cover that completely limits the tower rotation requires some real engineering and thought behind it, not a dozen of Ivans with close to no engineering skills. You think it's made this way because they had some kind of plan or genius idea? No, they're simply desperate and throwing shit at the wall in hopes it'll work. As of now, they're just limiting tanks functionality without any real benefit. Since pretty much all of their assaults fail and they manage to capture anything only because they're literally wiping ukrainian positions and villages by using artillery and KABs non-stop, it's very hard to tell if there's any real difference from a normal tank

@Tortoc

5 күн бұрын

​​@@hongo3870потому, что поворот башни и не нужен, зато десант нужен, и орудие для кинжального огня с навесом разминирования. Это все для узких целей.

Dang, the hetzer made a return

@steveblanchard7293

24 күн бұрын

SU85?

@paleoph6168

24 күн бұрын

​@@steveblanchard7293SU-85 reporting.

@user-ez7ed7kd8e

24 күн бұрын

That's the A7V

@lobonoir6938

24 күн бұрын

Stugs ??

@cde9952

24 күн бұрын

Would traversing the turret into the cage knock off its calibration at all?

Appears the Killdozer is making a comeback

@roguegen5536

19 күн бұрын

With upgrades

@JimmBimm67

18 күн бұрын

Megaweapon! Megaweapon! Megaweapon!

@karlmarcs31

18 күн бұрын

That guy was ahead of his time

@DestinationDoodle

18 күн бұрын

thats why I thought it looked familar!

@trillrifaxegrindor4411

17 күн бұрын

guy wasnt wrong,or stupid

One idea I had was a rotating shaft with flailing chains orbiting the tank, like a carousel or maypole. Replacement chains can be installed by anyone too

"Sir, we're being attacked by a tool shed, chicken cage and something from Mad Max.

The assault gun concept returns, didn't see that coming.

@jonathanpudim

22 күн бұрын

Indee, with americans fielding the M10 Booker for this purpose (Newest one at least). Other countries using dedicated IFV with cannons for this purpose or wheeled armored vehicles.

@leondillon8723

22 күн бұрын

@@jonathanpudim Since the Booker main gun is only .51 inch bigger than the smaller Stuart's, I think that tanks of about that size would be better. Retro fitting a Stuart would be cheaper.

@rennscott5808

22 күн бұрын

​@@leondillon8723 we must be thinking of different light tanks cause there's no way you suggested a century old light tank could be retrofitted with modern engines, electronics, hydraulics, servos, weapon platforms, armor and made compatible to modern fuel systems. Let alone done at anything close to the price of a new vehicle? Not to mention theres probably only a hundered or so still operational on the whole planet.

@leondillon8723

22 күн бұрын

@@rennscott5808 The WW I Renaulr Ft 17 was in service for 80+ years. India sold their Sherman Tanks. Israel bought a 100+ and SLEPed with modern electronics and upgunned them. The tanks were still very effective.

@MarkGoding

22 күн бұрын

The "assault shed" you mean.

I love that the design looks like a tank that's smashed through a barn and had the roof comically stuck on its turret. I bet that's how it was invented.

@mashedpotatoesfromkfc

24 күн бұрын

tank house!

@KermitFrazierdotcom

23 күн бұрын

Oh you've seen White Tiger have you?

@sporehux8344

23 күн бұрын

lol, i can envision a lookout noticing an increase in farm sheds appearing in a field scratching his head.

@maestro-zq8gu

23 күн бұрын

If it's effective against a certain type of shell, does it matter?

@user-rp3ew4mo5m

22 күн бұрын

many English speakers do not even know that the first tank shed was made of a T-72 whose turret stopped rotating, so they made a counter-drone curtain of anything and it worked, several drones did not even harm the tank shed, we Russians call them "Tank Mangal"

The thing I never understood is this. I don't know why they didn't just weld the giant plate to protect the engine deck, and well the giant box directly onto the turret itself so that you could get full turret rotation while still getting the full protection for the areas that you need. They are sacrificing almost 180° if not more of their turret rotation capability and most of their visibility in exchange for drone protection. Seeing as that armor will not stop a javelin or any other anti-tank rocket

@user-vj6dc8le8h

18 күн бұрын

Это ограждение распыляет комулятивную струю. Вместе с защитой самого танка работает против любого оружия кроме подкалиберных и 152мм артиллерии.

@TEPMOBETEP

17 күн бұрын

Tanks have weak armor on the back, so you might as well look just forward, front to enemy lines. Rotating tower wouldn't help against javelin missiles anyway, so still can leave turtle shell there. And outer shell spread directed blast a little before it hits the main armor, so helps too

@user-dp9pp4kr4y

15 күн бұрын

У первого танка, просто заклинило башню. На танк наварили всякого говна и отправили вперед. Оказалось эффективно.

@eatonkuntz

12 күн бұрын

They're used as troop carriers and delivery trucks. If the turret is jammed you may as well armor some extra volume.

@arctic_haze

12 күн бұрын

They don't care about visibility and probably the crazy war in general. They simply want to survive a drone attack.

In the drone world, FPV stands for “first-person view” and it means that, as the pilot, you can see what the drone sees. It suddenly makes you more mobile than ever before and lets you see things that could have been missed from the ground, like flying over the treetops or under bridges. Most modern drones include a camera and the ability to transmit a live feed to a smartphone. Technically, nearly every drone is an FPV drone but that definition is changing.

Let's just go full circle and start making casemates.

@nikitaivanow9099

24 күн бұрын

but on tracks this time

@RomanianReaver

24 күн бұрын

@@nikitaivanow9099 **SU-54-122 ignition sounds**

@LordOfChaos.x

24 күн бұрын

We will be using ww2 tanks by the time we run out of modern stuff 😂

@Garoslol

24 күн бұрын

@@LordOfChaos.x Going back to sticks and stones.

@miguelgameiro8063

24 күн бұрын

@@LordOfChaos.xlet’s see if what Porsche is cooking

Just because a strategy is old doesn't mean it's obsolete.

@nw2861

24 күн бұрын

"Old, but not obselete" -T800.

@karimlerbheley8553

24 күн бұрын

​@@nw2861"I'll be back" - T800

@freedomisntfreeffs

24 күн бұрын

Relevancy is key. I wonder if we'll see new purpose-built casemate designs in the coming years considering that this is one of the few designs that has proven useful against drones which is the biggest threat now. If it looks stupid but works...

@LordOfChaos.x

24 күн бұрын

​A solution would be spaced armor which modern tanks rerely have because they are useless against anti tank shells or rpgs. But actually usefull against explosions.@@freedomisntfreeffs

@maxschumann8298

24 күн бұрын

@@LordOfChaos.x it's also a lot harder to aim right if you don't know your enemies real shape.

Even vehicles evolve into crabs

Excellent presentation with good research. Thank you. They are actually starting to look like the American T95 Doom Turtle super heavy tank.

@TheArmourersBench

20 күн бұрын

Thank you! Thanks for watching.

history repeats itself, a toaster on tracks is again trying to breach the trench warfare stalemate

@djvdtweel

24 күн бұрын

trve

@rendergartenarts

24 күн бұрын

And the fact that drones, in general, are the reason why there is no stalemate

@iotaje1

24 күн бұрын

​@@andy_NQLol

@pcka12

24 күн бұрын

They do look like German WW1 tanks!

@edc1569

24 күн бұрын

It’s kind of obvious how to deal with this problem, but every time I post about it, the post disappears.

I didn't expect a T-72 tank to evolve into an apc with a smoothbore cannon

@OGTacitus

22 күн бұрын

Literally merkava

The Elefant and ISU-122 are making a comeback

@trollmastermike52845

23 күн бұрын

Hetzer 2 baby

@pitivan3895

23 күн бұрын

Omg where

@alexxu3004

23 күн бұрын

@@pitivan3895 that's basically what these are, 125mm assultguns

@Z_Pavel

23 күн бұрын

RammTiger

@milesperhour9256

23 күн бұрын

Jagdtiger returns

W40k Rhino travelled back in time and fell in love with a Stug.

A track ciclyst once built a home made, low budget revolutionary new bike out of washing machine bearings, junk metal parts and steel tubes and people were laughing at him, but it was so good and it gave hum such an unfair advantage, which made him very successful, that they banned his bike and design from racing. His story reminds me of the turtle tanks.

can't wait for these to be added to warthunder

@linemat7887

24 күн бұрын

in war thunder we call these "vegetation"

@Ice_elite

23 күн бұрын

@@linemat7887 i hate bush users

@jhonsilveralpha

23 күн бұрын

​@@Ice_elitesame mostly those russian bias cause green effective camo on top of an already concealing painting

@RosenwinklerSolutions

23 күн бұрын

65€ premium

@Shvetsario

23 күн бұрын

@@RosenwinklerSolutions +$30 for the V and Russian tricolor barrel stripes design package

Einstein said that whatever weapons WWIII would be fought with, WWIV would be fought with rocks and sticks. Bet he never thought WWIII would be fought with corrugated metal garden sheds with extra chicken wire...

@amai2307

21 күн бұрын

So turtles of WW4 will be covered by rocks and sticks? Sounds interesting.

@serch3ster

21 күн бұрын

Didnt know that Ukraine and Russia are fighting WW3.

@amai2307

21 күн бұрын

@@serch3ster they are tho, if we count all countries participating in a war, that would be more than WW1 at very least.

@Consural

20 күн бұрын

Since the world agreed using the biggest weapon of WW2 will destroy us all, the war is literally WW1 all over again.

@AJ-tr5ml

20 күн бұрын

Crab :)

After a hundred years of armor and tank advances, we come back to the square boxes that we first built.

Everyone is joking about it... But it's working...

@ReiseLukas

18 күн бұрын

It's a war of Attrition after all

@philipprapp9356

13 күн бұрын

It has already stopped working. See videos of turtles getting destroyed.

@downey2294

10 күн бұрын

how do we know its working? do we have numbers?

It's almost Skynet vs. Mad Max at this point, and it's kind of hilarious how the war in Ukraine becomes simultaneously more high and low-tech.

@cideltacommand7169

24 күн бұрын

Starsector hegemony vs tri tech Ai

@dudupintarolas5214

23 күн бұрын

​@@cideltacommand7169tri tech versus lud path would be more acurate

@luchianno

23 күн бұрын

[REDACTED] has entered the chat

@Dorf274

23 күн бұрын

@@dudupintarolas5214 There is quite literally a faction the is just a re-skinned Space-USSR...Sindrian Diktat

@denisdenisov7623

23 күн бұрын

@@cideltacommand7169 "Starsector hegemony vs tri tech Ai" Thats right lmao

This reminds me more and more about Marvin Heemeyer's Killdozer.

@tomwinterfishing9065

24 күн бұрын

A good man 💪

@bazooka712

24 күн бұрын

Remember, a better and bigger radiator next time!

@hansblitz7770

24 күн бұрын

Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.

@urgaynknowit

24 күн бұрын

They saw whistlindiesels video and went buck wild

@shinji1264

24 күн бұрын

True pioneer

Its amazing how quick people adapt to field conditions like this.

Fascinating development. Drones are cheap and difficult to stop, but compared to a kinetic projectile they have barely any penetrative power. I wonder what the next gen of tanks will look like.

Me: I spotted tank! The one guy holds an anti-tank launcher: okay... wdym it's just a house Tank: it's working!

@nickl5658

24 күн бұрын

Worse... you fire the AT weapon. Its self guidance programs... misses because it sees no tank.

@tonk5242

24 күн бұрын

that could be the worst thing to happen

@ratatataget

23 күн бұрын

​@@nickl5658 most are at misiles platforms are heat guidet, it sees the tank anyway

@spookyweeb5563

23 күн бұрын

@@ratatataget who knows how well that insulates, perhaps white paint could be an evolution to use albedo to keep temps down.

@ratatataget

23 күн бұрын

@@spookyweeb5563 its metal. the engine has to have some space and the metal around it heats up.

We welded fences and bed frames onto US Army tanks in Iraq....until they came up with grills

@fukkitful

19 күн бұрын

In WW2, they added hedgerow cutters to the tanks in the field. Eventually they added them before leaving England.

@PanterusPinkus

19 күн бұрын

yes...i dont know why people think Russia invented something new. THis is common practice everywhere.

@iirosiren5120

18 күн бұрын

​@@PanterusPinkus I mean its commonsense😂 If you need more protection what do you do? Pray?

@user-xs1bw3wz3i

18 күн бұрын

@@PanterusPinkus People don't think that it was invented by the Russians, they ridicule them for it

@PanterusPinkus

18 күн бұрын

@@iirosiren5120 i agree...im just bothered by people who making jokes out of it not knowing its common practise to use such armor.

Never knew, turreted tank can evolve backwards into a WW2 style turretless tank with spaced armor

The protection is good and practical against drones but the trade off is massive.

@SyfoMan

9 күн бұрын

Is it? Because if your goal is to push through enemy lines and cover more ground this seems more like a win for them.

I do not speak the language well enough, so I will write through a translator, I hope I will be able to convey the meaning. The bottom line is that this is not like any other war that you are used to seeing, there are no lightning and fast offensives or superiority of one side over the other. This is a very difficult and slow war of attrition, where fierce battles are fought for every km of the front, in this regard, most of the troops on both sides dig in some regions where they can stay for a very, very long time, global offensives with a large movement are rare. Why am I saying all this? Due to the inability to advance and break through the defenses, tanks become an easy target, a little step to the left or right and you are insignificant, minefields are everywhere, drones and artillery, so soldiers on the ground come up with means that will at least slightly increase the survival rate of their tanks. I'm sure people don't quite understand what I'm talking about, you probably think, well, there are active protection complexes, you can equip tanks with technological modules and everything so that they are not an easy mess, but the fact is that 1) you need to develop this and put it into production, since there has never been such a need before it was not, 2) it will come out in decent money, but it will not give any security guarantees. You also need to understand that such turtles can be outdated tanks, or tanks with technical problems, this, no matter how stupid it may sound, is just convenient, any welder on the spot can upgrade the car the way it is needed right here and now. Whatever tanks entered this war, they are doomed to complete failure, since there were no such wars and the tanks were absolutely not ready for them, all leopards, Abrams, Leclerc, challengers and so on, these are all wonderful machines of their time, but time has changed and this war clearly shows that the the approach to tank building that was previously completely incorrect now. You can laugh and joke, but believe me, you don't know what this war is, your idea is a maximum representation of the picture from the telegram channels, but you don't know what it really is, it's not what you used to see before this time, it doesn't look like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, This is not like the companies in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran, this is a completely new war. Of course, both the Russian side and the Ukrainian side have disadvantages, flaws, there is always room to grow, the Russian economy is inferior to the United States, so the United States most likely has more modern and technological weapons, but this plays almost no role in such a positional war. Believe me, the war has been going on for 2 years and both sides have huge military experience, they are not fools, if something is being done, then it must be done, no matter how ridiculous it looks from the outside. I wrote all this so that you understand that war is not a toy, it looks to you like a shooting game somewhere far away, well, war is much scarier than you might think, so every, even the most ridiculous thing, if it helps save the life of 1 person, then it has already been done it's not in vain, believe me, a beautiful picture is cool, all this cool and modern technology, stylish, futuristic and technological, but in the conditions of a "dirty war", and not exhibitions and landfills, all this beauty has not surrendered to anyone, like all this technology, they burn from mines and from drones, like leopards 2a6, so are the old t-64 and t-72, they all burn the same, if they wanted to destroy them, no one will leave.

@user-ir5te4tq8j

22 күн бұрын

вся технологичность американского оружия заключается в его запредельной стоимости. в остальном - металлолом. если не верите - езжайте в Москву на Поклонную гору, посмотрите сами.

@M4DD4WG

22 күн бұрын

This was a really well put comment articulated even with a translator

@jimmyvaught

21 күн бұрын

Well said. The west will mock and ridicule the turtle tanks, but like you said, this war is unlike anything we’ve seen. The massive use of cheap drones is absolutely terrifying.. You can’t outrun them, you won’t hear or see them until they slam into you or drop something on you, and you’ll be welding just about anything to your vehicle to increase the likelihood that you’ll get to go home. As this war progresses, unless peace is negotiated, and compromises are made - Americans too will feel what it’s like to fight a war of attrition and see first hand how vulnerable and helpless you feel when drones are flying overhead.

@martinan22

21 күн бұрын

An advantage of them being ad hoc is that the enemy will likely not make concentrated counter. Or if the enemy does invest in production lines to make counter turtle weapons and spread them, that is a gain in itself. An anti turtle fpv drone will be heavier / have shorter range or some other cost. And if ad hoc turtles become ineffective, the Russians can just stop making them. So it is not just tactical struggle between fpv drones and turtles. It is also strategic struggle between investment in production lines.

@pishposh3306

21 күн бұрын

@@jimmyvaught The Turtle tanks do seem to work in mitigating drone damage, I would agree. But British Challenger tanks in Ukrainian hands have actually been outrunning drones simply by employing shoot and scoot tactics. These cheap drones do not have the technology to lock unto things from high in the sky, as they have simple cameras from which the operator must spend hours finding targets in. A Challenger just needs to shoot a few times and leave, much like long range artillery. This is why artillery losses from drones are not common. By the time a drone arrives to an area, the artillery it's meant to be targeting has already left.

This just shows how big of a problem cheap and easy to manufacture FPV drones have become on the modern battlefield.

@JimmyLeeJr

21 күн бұрын

You could even draw a chart showing the correlation between drone effectiveness and size of target plus its speed and lack of maneuverability. In other news, I wonder why the US navy is terrified to sail anywhere near Yemen right now? There's no way a tiny drone fleet from some random country could wipe out several carrier strike groups, right?

@Salmacream

21 күн бұрын

@@JimmyLeeJr It cant lol, but it can do damage for sure. People have done the math on payloads needed to sink a carrier. But good bait ngl.

@kristinaF54

20 күн бұрын

Exactly. Looking at cost comparisons of just one modern main battle tank versus price of FPVs needed to kill that tank, you'd still have a shit tonne of money left over to make a thousand more FPVs.

@Michael-uc2pn

20 күн бұрын

​@@JimmyLeeJr I forget the technical term for the concept, but basically it's advantageous to keep your distance if you have a longer strike range than the enemy. You can hit them but they can't hit you. Half the evolution of weapons throughout history was just progressively adding reach so you can hit the other guy before he can hit you Same concept here, US ships can reach out and touch Yemen from far out of range of everything but their longer range anti ship missiles (that are easier to spot coming and shoot down at that range). Getting closer is an unnecessary risk. Bottom line camping at long range can be extremely effective in real wars.

@KalashVodka175

20 күн бұрын

@@JimmyLeeJr Drones could damage ships and even a carrier but sinking it is a completely different matter.

This is truly a SHELLter

I tend to call these one of two names: tutel, or the garden shed.

The sheds look like they’re sometimes being used for camouflage too, to blend in with local rubble.

@darthsidius9631

21 күн бұрын

I am surprised that not shit what is on the fields

@identiticrisis

17 күн бұрын

Yes and each one being different might interfere with any AI image processing too

During WW2, United States soldiers (and I'm guessing soldiers from every country involved) attached sandbags, cement, and even furniture to their tanks to add extra protection. The army actually did a study regarding the practice and found that the amount of protection added was negligible, and in some cases detrimental, but the moral boost it gave the soldiers was well worth the drawbacks.

@Lossyon

21 күн бұрын

If they were studying Italians no doubt

@cyb3r._.

21 күн бұрын

but the difference here is that its spaced farther from the vehicle and its to protect against fpv drones not ap or apcr shells ap/apcr could shred through the extra sandbags/cement/etc. easily but an fpv drone cant pen sheet metal or even chain link nearly as easily

@neloglass

20 күн бұрын

@@cyb3r._. Yes shells are penetrating, but their impact is greatly diminished, therefore not much damaging to the tank.

@Michael-uc2pn

20 күн бұрын

Problem with add on armor in all cases, as even Patton realized, is that it puts additional strain that the tank was probably not designed for on all of the mechanical components, and can slow the vehicle down or make it less maneuverable. It's certainly a tradeoff, and depends on your particular battlefield whether it's worth it, for Patton it was unacceptable because he knew that anything slowing down his advance and giving the enemy more time to respond was the real risk.

@j.reinholme

20 күн бұрын

it might not have added any significant protection against tank shells but that crap on the outside did help deflect panzerfausts, which were becoming a more common threat during the end of the war.

When I first saw one of these "turtles", I immediately remembered that they have a Maus at Kubinka tank museum.

It feels like the Interwar period, when people were designing all different designs and seeing what sticks. The Turtle tank might just be a very early version of something just seen as default in the future.

There's some very confused Farmers out there when they woke up and realized the roof of their sheds are missing.

@Mamorufumio

24 күн бұрын

they will get their roofs back with 'interest'

@Roger-go6jc

23 күн бұрын

Who stole my chook house!

@Hadrian9707

23 күн бұрын

First the farmers stole the Russian equipment and now the Russians are stealing the farmers' barns.

@Shvetsario

23 күн бұрын

@@Hadrian9707 lmao

@MaDmanex100

15 күн бұрын

@@Hadrian9707 Haha golden comment.

*"This isn't even my final form!"* 😆

Very interesting and helpful.

So the Bob Semple tank was ahead of its time

Are we finally returning to the golden age of armored vehicles? Casemate Tanks? What a time to be alive.

@bombarderoazul

24 күн бұрын

These turtle 🐢 tanks also have a Jamming system, to make drones useless, they're breakthrough tanks opening the way for other vehicles to advance

@NATESOR

24 күн бұрын

Comment feels like a bit of bad taste. People are fighting and dying. Hardly feels like there's anything joyous about what's happening as your comment seems to suggest, even if it is ironically.

@CaiusCosades44

24 күн бұрын

@@NATESORDon’t care. If you have the energy to sit here and poor your heart out about how strongly you feel for poor Ukraine and muh “bad taste” then how about you get off your ass and go fight with them?

@chocolates6651

24 күн бұрын

@@CaiusCosades44 you will care if or when a conflict affects you or someone you personally know. lol

@nonegone7170

24 күн бұрын

@@chocolates6651 that would require him to know anyone, i don't think he has much contact outside of NPC's in games.

"Tanks are obsolete" *Tank equips armor effective against munitions it will encounter*

@kazedcat

20 күн бұрын

Mobile Shed are not "Tanks".

@SniperSamir

20 күн бұрын

If a tank has to wear a turtle shell that restricts a massive amount of its vision, it might as well be useless.

@Procrastinater

20 күн бұрын

@@SniperSamir How is it useless if it can do a tanks job and break through defensive lines? Tanks do not face tank guns, they face infantry fired munitions, artillery but primarily drones strapped with high explosives. An assault gun is more usefull than a burnt out tank. If the war continues on for half a year more, you will see Ukranian tanks equipped with sheds, yes, even leopards and abrams. Remember your comment then as we will then hear about how ingenious it is.

@ponytoast1231

20 күн бұрын

@@Procrastinater Tank do face other tanks, infantry will also usually not come from the front so having awareness around you is kind of important. I don't know if it is still the case but at the beginning of the war the Russian also had too many tanks for the amount of infantry to accompany them and keep them from being loused so if it is still the case and the tank has even worse vision it is sacrificing defence in one way to gain it in another. Putting a bunch of metal on the tank also increase its weight, which reduce its speed and mobility to position itself in all battle situations on top of just putting more strain on logistic and reducing range because you will need more fuel for the same distance. I'm also curious how this would interact with reactive armour since reactive armour itself explode but with a cage around that explosion would be contained.

@Procrastinater

20 күн бұрын

@@ponytoast1231 Thought I replied to this, yet it's not here now? weird. Anyway. What I said then was: Those are all pretty big drawbacks for sure, but do you know what is an even bigger drawback? Exploding into pieces because a 500 dollar drone flew 20kg of high explosives into the turret side.

Business Idea: Turtle Tank after-market pre-manufactured kits.

Its one of those things that despite being ugly, inefficient and unwieldy, are still used simply because they work for the intended purpose, and there isn't any better alternative. Won't help you much against APDS though.

@pickleman40

20 күн бұрын

Doesnt seem like ukraine is capable of operating armor to counter russian offensive operations for the past year or so.

I consider the reason why this works is because Russia and Ukraine have such vast terrain that need to be crossed. In dense and urban areas I see the downsides would take over.

@adison6340

18 күн бұрын

Густонаселённый район всегда можно превратить в мало населенный. А потом спокойно кататься на танках 😉

@bobgatewood5277

17 күн бұрын

​​@@adison6340 it'll probably cost you hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to pull that off. Not to mention, that such a constant barrage will definitely put your artillery and crews in rather vulnerable positions, to be targeted by counter artillery. A war of attrition is basically what russia tried so hard to avoid and failed miserably

@diegorojas3886

17 күн бұрын

​@@adison6340 say that to the russians and germans at stalingrad. blown up cities are nightmare environments for any living thing. it was hell on earth then, i cannot imagine what a modern day equivalent would be like now.

@Gyoho276

16 күн бұрын

They dont use turtle tanks in close combat

@anastasiyazoldyck6453

16 күн бұрын

@@bobgatewood5277 провал у тебя в штанах, проверяй

Amazing to see how evolution works in span of days instead of years or decades.

@harkbelial

24 күн бұрын

If this was developed in the west it would cost 2trillion dollars and would take 15 years to do.

@matthewsmall8009

24 күн бұрын

Evolution is proportional to environmental pressure.

@StarAD

24 күн бұрын

Let’s not call this evolution, please.

@one_step_sideways

24 күн бұрын

Evolution is an anti-theist meme and a scam

@someguy4512

24 күн бұрын

@@StarAD it kind of is, the cope cage first used in russia and now every one is using it, now they using turtle tanks, I wonder how Israel would use it in gaza against RPG rounds.

One drone to the tracks and you have a static caravan 😂

Whichever side fields 5000 stugs at once will overwhelm the drones and they’ll “win”.

Turtle Tank needs a theme song.

@jb7483

24 күн бұрын

Super Mario theme

@pavelcheckov9288

24 күн бұрын

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

@moron_with_a_voron

24 күн бұрын

blyat mobil

@ThatsOk83

24 күн бұрын

Tutel song can fit since it’s used on Hetzers and T95 tanks

@lulakacontreras3520

24 күн бұрын

2:30 am is the song

Your cope cage has evolved, you now have a turtle shell!

@Shadow25720

24 күн бұрын

I wonder how long it takes, till it evolves to a full scale medieval siege tower

@thomasgraham5842

24 күн бұрын

@@Shadow25720 basicly thats what you have , weak spot in tracks , get them the taker yer time distroying it

@topcatandgang

24 күн бұрын

if you turn a turtle upside down he will go nowhere.

@SDLXVI

24 күн бұрын

I dont get why all of a sudden people are making fun of russia's improvised slat armor. The israelis invented it and caught no ridicule. The u.s. uses cope cages as well 🤷‍♂️.

@rog69

24 күн бұрын

@@SDLXVImost ppl who follow this conflict on social media are bots, trolls and random kids who hype things for no reason 😂

I guess the next step might be added Earth onto the metal shell, using basically unlimited protection material ,the crews could ship on again with a shovel after battle.

Once manufacturers start making official top ends, it’s gonna look pretty badass. Probably some kind of large mesh standalone on top, then below an array of protruding, angled plates also with a layer of mesh jutting from it. All attached to the turret, so would allow swivel and sight without losing protection. And then they could camouflage it afterward to spec

Love/hate to see that crossouts spaced Armour meta is actually realistic under certain conditions, looks like when it comes to anti-drone precautions this will be the new norm for those without electronic defences

@aidantheraider6324

21 күн бұрын

Yes! I was looking for this.

@StranaHyena

21 күн бұрын

Ahhhh man that game and that stupid spaced armour meta!

@b-side3682

20 күн бұрын

Did not expect a crossout reference, but is a welcome one.

@jbmst1450

20 күн бұрын

does that game still have a playerbase? i'm genuinely surprised to see a crossout comment here

1980: George miller: "Yes this is going to happen in the future of course after a full war!" 2024: *Mad Max Music intensifies.*

@sergeyloverow2105

22 күн бұрын

Russians know Mad Max is going to be reality soon so they are preparing.

Not so much as coming out of there shells, as more a case of staying in. 😂

Decent for defense breaching and or modified APC. Limited driving visibility, lack of cannon angle range and possible limited mobility ( awkward size, added weight, large profile ) will be a challenge. Can FBVs use double charges without destroying themselves?

The initial reaction I had to these modifications was that the Russian tank turret is now limited in its ability to traverse to engage targets to the flanks or rear. They may as well bring back the SU series of casemated guns, no turrets and a built-in turtle back!

@fiendishrabbit8259

24 күн бұрын

So far the Russians are only using them in areas where they don't encounter enemy tanks or even IFVs (like Bradleys or CV90s). The limited traverse is a drawback, but in the areas where they're used the advantages are worth the drawbacks.

@afx88lexx

24 күн бұрын

Yeah, all bradleys and tanks are busy in moscow exhibition.

@stolek6908

24 күн бұрын

@@fiendishrabbit8259 CV 90 are uselles in this war. Bradlay against tank are also questionable.

@Avidire

24 күн бұрын

It wouldnt really matter when they could just use it as a mobile artillery while the armour at the back does the job. Tank on tank battle in this war is so rare.

@isafatcat

24 күн бұрын

@@stolek6908 3 days ago there was a video of a bradly killing a t-80. TOW missile is hardly questionable

I'll admit I'm not upset to see the good ol' tank destroyer making a return.

@milankester7920

14 күн бұрын

im with you on that one

M202Flash would be an interesting counter to these. If a prospective crew were to see the results just once, they'd prefer to deal with a blocking detachment. Unfortunately, there are almost certainly none left in inventory to donate.

@oldphart-zc3jz

17 күн бұрын

Any ATGW still works on the cope shed, they're purely for stopping light drones where the standoff is effective.

Would targeting the minesweeper or EW module be effective at curtailing tanks' performance? PS: Did some Matari engineer decide to join Russia?

Holy crap we are going old school with tank design again. 4:30 It looks like ww1 Saint Chamond tank with a mine roller in the front.

@AussieRoberts

23 күн бұрын

funny cause the tactics are ww1 like too, obviously apart from the drones.

@NJPurling

23 күн бұрын

I was thinking that they are reverting to the WW1 German 'Landschiff' design. The tank's track are still the most vulnerable part.

@germanshepherddog732

23 күн бұрын

i made a bet with my feeind when the Ukraine war started that it would devolve into ww1 like trench warfare the turrtle tanks are just the cherry on top

@lmeseguer001

22 күн бұрын

It´s funy how in science fiction war goes back to the middle ages in combat style and aesthetics as consequence of high tech innovations. For example, warriors using personal force-field shields make fire weapons obsolete, so the enemy adapt and use plasma swords that can cut through the new shields.

@vadimanreev4585

22 күн бұрын

@@lmeseguer001 You will look at the variety of cold steel assault units of the First World War: from homemade daggers and machetes to brass knuckles and morgensterns and other crushing weapons. The same creativity of ordinary soldiers trying to survive in the difficult conditions of the massacre.

Russian tanks look like they were made by raiders from Fallout.

@adrianlopezfernandez2088

22 күн бұрын

'Funny' thing is they also behave like Fallout raiders

@ArousedRat1

22 күн бұрын

@@adrianlopezfernandez2088 I mean raiders are actually an effective fighting force

@michele3900

21 күн бұрын

​@@ArousedRat1 You must suck at the game, raiders are the weakest enemies in the game, totally easy mode

@tofu9052

20 күн бұрын

​@@adrianlopezfernandez2088brainwashed hamburger i quess?

@adrianlopezfernandez2088

20 күн бұрын

@@tofu9052 blind incel neocon i quess?

Their solution to drones: more armor Solution to more armor: more drones

Man, I can't imagine how difficult it would be to parallel park one of those things.

The tank appears at 4:00 actually have 2 part clip showing it taking multiple fpv drone and keep moving like nothing happens.

@SassyTheSasquatch96

24 күн бұрын

Even without the cages fpv drones take about 10 or more to even do significant damage to the tank, the videos we see of tanks getting taken out are typically stationary abandoned vehicles that are decommissioned by dropping a charge into the tank and disabling the control systems, Its a cheap drone with a low yield warhead, they aren't stinger missiles.

@pacivalmuller9333

24 күн бұрын

@@SassyTheSasquatch96 10 or more? 1 or 2 fpv drones with rpg rounds can already stop the tank. And a tank that can not move will be abandoned. We already seen too many videos of that.

@haythemsandel8303

24 күн бұрын

@@SassyTheSasquatch96 For Western tanks one is enough because it hits the weak top turret armor and immediately detonates the shells stored in the blast door

@tomthomas3499

24 күн бұрын

​@@SassyTheSasquatch9610 or more from Atgm's, drone usually only need 2, one to disable and the second for final blow

General dynamics = we think that upgrade will cost about 100 billion, sir. Some random Russian guy = get me a welding machine, electrodes, bottle of vodka, as much sheet metal and mesh you can find, pack of cigarettes' too. DAVAAAJ, SYKA!

@joseaca1010

22 күн бұрын

Only problem the tank now cant see anything or traverse the gun properly

@shonemumy

22 күн бұрын

@@joseaca1010 Drones are looking instead of them, and they still can traverse the hull. I know it looks ridiculous; but it obviously works.

@joseaca1010

22 күн бұрын

@@shonemumy traversing the hull isnt a good solution when you can only fire forwards, specially with the horrible reserve speed of russian tanks Also, drones are looking for them? You mean the same drones they are supposed to be jamming?

@shonemumy

22 күн бұрын

@@joseaca1010 I meant friendly drones probably acquire and relay targets for the crew. Not my first language.

@joseaca1010

22 күн бұрын

@@shonemumy and how do you stop enemy drones from using the same radio frequency as friendly ones? When it comes to EW you cannot JUST allow friendly drones

giving me A7V/Saint-Chamond vibes with the limited range of the turret

6:00 interesting .. they are clearly experimenting, this evolution is pretty cool, looks effective. I really enjoy seeing this "turtle tanks" Russia is fielding, seems like every other day we get a picture of a new one, or some modification to a tank not seen before.. very interesting stuff.

And people were joking about why all tanks in warhammer look like bricks, they work and tank shots? Perfect.

@Shvetsario

23 күн бұрын

The Warhammer universe is far more deadly and lethal than ours, they need all the armor and weapons

@weasle2904

23 күн бұрын

Still completely and utterly useless against Javelins and NLAWS lol, not to mention it might as well not even be there when shot by an enemy tank (which the Russian tanks already lose out on penetration and armor protection compared to western designs). Some thin sheet metal isn't going to do anything to deter these types of weapons. This only helps against FPVs and simpler AT missiles, and the limited visibility and maneuverability makes this clearly only something suited to tanks on the front column with mine rollers.

@urdnotwrex6969

23 күн бұрын

@@weasle2904 3 Javelins hitting BMP 2. BMP 2: Huh? Something tickels me.

@JokerFace090

22 күн бұрын

And Russians think if the paint it red it will move faster.

@Jamison1888

22 күн бұрын

Still waiting for the baneblade to show up. " ready to unleash all 11 barrels "

Blyatmobiles!

@free_at_last8141

24 күн бұрын

Quick Robinski, to the Blyat mobile!

@nicolasolton

24 күн бұрын

😂😂

@worldoftancraft

24 күн бұрын

the maximum expected creativity of foreigner inventing a name be like: ^^^^^^

@free_at_last8141

24 күн бұрын

@@worldoftancraft The maximum expected mental capacity of a schill for totally the bestest military in the world be like: ^^^^^^

@AldoSchmedack

24 күн бұрын

❤ it!

Everyone thought Warfare would like like the new Rheinmetall Tanks in 2024... but how warfare looks really in 2024: I got Welder!

Having watched more than one person talk about these, people with actual military experience and some tankers who have since retired, it really seems like these do the job pretty well unless Ukrainians just start hitting every other vehicle in the column and ignoring the turtle tank until they can get a proper weapon on it, arty or an anti tank missile. Those sorts of weapons will just ignore the shell completely, but the shell works pretty well against drones, so if defenders try and use drones against them, it is not as horrible an idea as it would seem at first glance.

I been telling y'all. They gonna slap ERA on those turtles.

@oisinmurphy8747

24 күн бұрын

I feel like that would make it way to heavy.

@gamerfan8445

24 күн бұрын

Nope, they can't afford it. ​@@oisinmurphy8747

@anderoo9260

24 күн бұрын

@@oisinmurphy8747 That depends on the ERA used

@sleepyjoe7843

24 күн бұрын

@@oisinmurphy8747 Russian tanks are about 25-30% lighter than western ones so they can add whatever they want.

@edc1569

24 күн бұрын

Wouldn’t that just blow all the outer steel off in the first hit?

If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid.

@derekschoots

21 күн бұрын

Its not really working. These vehicle cannot properly use any of their weapons.

@circleboi4900

20 күн бұрын

@@derekschoots the job of these vehicle arent to destroy the enemy with weapons, these vehicles is more of a "shield" to the columns behind it whos actually gonna destroy the enemy and the turret doesnt entirely stuck on one position it still can traverse in some degree. it succesfully breakthrough the ocheretyne line and you can see the video it survived 8 fpv drone hits.

@derekschoots

20 күн бұрын

@@circleboi4900 How does it shield other vehicles against drones? The EW units on these turtle tanks have very little range. How are they even going to use the guns if they can't see around them?

@circleboi4900

20 күн бұрын

@@derekschoots you're missing some points of the video above. By placing turtle tank as the spearhead of a column, it draws the attention of an fpv drone operator to target that turtle tank because it's the spearhead and it's the biggest target that's why you see all 8 fpv drones spent on that turtle tank and it prevented the column behind it getting targeted, so yes it's a "shield". They don't look for enemy, the Friendly drones are the one who look for enemy then report it to the turtle tank and it's more effective than the tank commander looking by himself (a tanker in the comment said this). As for guns, the turtle tanks only look for a target in front of it, the column behind it is the one who cover the sides. These turtle tanks works fine in the battlefield, one video shows it survived multiple mine and dozens of fpv drone attacks. By doing these, the ukrainians would need to spend more of their shortening drones supply on a single tank and it benefits the ruskis.

@derekschoots

20 күн бұрын

@@circleboi4900 You think the drone operators can't see the other vehicles from above? 8 fpv drones and a couple of landmines are still way cheaper than a turtle tank with crew. A tank has to be able to see its surroundings. Its why every tank build after ww1 has multiple visors to look around.

So how do you translate WAAAAGH! to Russian?

When stealth is just not achievable, and low profile is irrelevant since your threats come from higher up... You can build high and big and airy. Vehicle designers are going to learn from this and add mounting points to attach various concealing & FPV deflecting structures. Cameras will be designed to detach and rely on tough PoE cables, as will EW jammer and other sensors and transceivers. Ideally these shields should be able to detach and dismount to become crew or wounded housing. Even when mounted they could provide shelter for infantry on the move who deploy to act as scouts. 8/40 FPVs hitting one tank required to take it out will run out UA supplies..

That's not done in tank plants. That's just creativity of soldiers on font. That's hand-made things and each tank is unique.

@darugdawg2453

18 күн бұрын

Soldiers make some shit just to feel safe. Ive seen people put wood as an armor. Obviously its just for morale

@ariesleo7396

18 күн бұрын

@@darugdawg2453 wood actually work against heat shells and rpg by making them explode early. does not work too well for kinetic shells.

@tomwalker8944

16 күн бұрын

@@darugdawg2453 ??? No this shit works because it keeps drones for flying onto their rooves. Otherwise all you need is a drone with a small shaped charge. Shaped charge ain't gonna do shit from 5 feet away.

You can tell when those jammers effect the drone within 25-50ft of the tank

@michaelbuckers

22 күн бұрын

That tank was disabled and the jammer didn't work. All drones lose signal near the ground, because there are obstacles there. Which is why there's copious amounts of aerial drones but virtually no terrain drones.

@jberry1982

22 күн бұрын

@@michaelbuckers I saw the drone hit but I noticed the interference just before the hit from the Radio emissions I'm assuming from the jammer was all I hope none the jammers are totally effective not until every t72 t80 and T90 Russia has is on fire anyways

@michaelbuckers

22 күн бұрын

@@jberry1982 The tank was dead. And so was the jammer. DUH. Loss of signal near ground is a purely natural effect. Additionally, jammers affect only the drone, not the control point. Even if drone is fully jammed, if it sends any footage it'll get received fine.

@leongibson5429

22 күн бұрын

Jammers can scramble any signal whether outgoing or incoming. So if it was working properly no the control point wouldn't be getting *any* information from the drone. That could be defeated with the use of tethered drones... Also just because a tank isn't moving doesn't mean it's "dead". The batteries in a tank can keep auxiliary hydraulic pumps and other primary systems (sights, communication equipment) going for many hours. This includes powering a jammer.

@michaelbuckers

22 күн бұрын

@@leongibson5429 Mate, picture for a minute how radio data transmission even works. And tell me again how is it supposed to jam the command post. I'll clue you in: in order to have radio data transmission, receiver must pick up a signal with good enough dynamic range (noise to signal ratio) to decipher the contents of the signal. Jammers work by radiating broadband noise, as to reduce dynamic range to the point that the radio receiver cannot extract any data from the signal. As per common radiation traits, inverse square law applies. For a drone this means that as it moves away from controller and closer to jammer, it gets weaker command signal and stronger jammer noise. The same is NOT true for the command point video receiver, because it's not getting any closer to the jammer. That's not to mention, the jammers are specifically tuned to block drone control signal bandwidth, and usually completely ignore the feedback footage bandwidth (because the real life physics are not conducive to jamming it). Now I'd appreciate if you stopped making things up as you go just to prove a point (hint: made up "facts" don't prove anything)

Wait until they put mines on drones and dive them under tanks to take them out from below haha

Its like a stug or hetzer that looks like a elephant destroyer lol

I've heard it called 'standoff armor,' and it has been used on tanks since WW1, when some British tanks were equipped with wire cages to prevent the enemy from heaving grenades onto the vulnerable roof. AP rounds will punch through this add-on armor like tissue paper, but many shaped-charge and high explosive shells will detonate on the thin supplemental armor instead of against the hull of a tank.

@austintomkewitz3981

19 күн бұрын

Yeah the Russians are masters of simple cheap yet effective tactics and fabrications the Ukrainians don't stand a chance

@NoPantsBaby

18 күн бұрын

The term cope cage is ironic. Because the Russians are just doing what works. The coping about the cages is coming from NATO because they'd rather look stylish than not get their leopard tanks BTFOd by drones.

@danefuentes3877

16 күн бұрын

This man speaks truth.

@jodofe4879

15 күн бұрын

And drones generally rely on HE, so the shell combined with a jammer makes for an effective defense. The jammer takes most attacking drones out, and the surviving drones won't be enough to blow a hole through the shell and then exploit that gap and damage the actual tank underneath.

@jophiohip

8 күн бұрын

@@jodofe4879 ukraine was filmed using RPG Tandem Rounds on Big drones to take out Tanks, ofc they will use HE aswell because u cant always have the right Ammunition for the right job but if they specificly want to hit a tank they have "anti-armor" drones for it. They will have less of those because they are bigger and probably harder to make and more expensive but they do have them :D

This actually reminds me of russian game called Crossout i used to play some time ago. In the game you could actually build your own vehicle with various parts and basically it looked very similiar to these improvised setups. Especially one time javelin type of weapon was favored and people started to counter it by straping some more armor on the roof.

@jenkem4464

24 күн бұрын

Spaced armor was/is king in that arena. Stopped playing that game because they're basically owned and operated in by Russian companies.

@vanjamenadzer

24 күн бұрын

@@jenkem4464 I stopped playing because it gets dull quickly, couldn't give a turtles fuck who made it. US corporations are far worse by any metric.

@haythemsandel8303

24 күн бұрын

@@jenkem4464 You should also stop playing games operated by American companies you NPC

@user-hg4nd4pv8x

24 күн бұрын

@@jenkem4464 and what did those companies do bad to you??

@divoulos5758

24 күн бұрын

​@@jenkem4464"i didn't buy a russian game, that will deal a major blow to the russian government"

regardless of politics, this is fascinating, they look like elefant/ferdinand german anti-tank during ww2