My mom always told me that my grandpa died watching a boxing match. So I did some research and found that he dies on May 20th 1985. He was watching this fight. He liked Holmes because he was Ali's sparring partner. This fight holds a special place in my heart. R.i.p Lloyd R. Kyle.

@carycase5563

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that.

@bigbuck3216

4 жыл бұрын

died of boredom

@Mike383HK

4 жыл бұрын

I would rather watch Homes much more than Ali!! Why? His technique was always more consistent even though he was not quite as good overall. I think Holmes was better but didn't have as much natural talent. Holmes did have a real jab and not just a backfist. It's so full of conjecture. It's hard to make a decision on who was better. I think Carl won this fight. BTW I was a cornerman for 15 years with three world champions. We had some records also. Ali was much better before he was stripped and suspended. Yet he beat a monster of George Foreman. He then took revenge on Frazier!! They destroyed each other. Such heart Neither was ever the same.

@charlestilley2576

4 жыл бұрын

@Jojew Yes, and respected the nation where he earned most of his cash! Don't know if Holmes served (although Norton did), however I believe had he been called, Larry Hohmes whould had serves his nation. Ali never held the title near as long as Homes, before nor after his suspension. How Ali gets the #1 slot in all time greats I'll kever know, because he dodged battle for his nation (that is again, where he made his cash & retired). While it's tough to outright name Holmes #1, a case could be made for it, the same for Foreman & to some degree, Mike Tyson & Lennox Lewis, one of the select few who via rematch, beat every opponent he faced. Including nearly derailing the career of Kitchsko early, the refs shouldn't had stopped the fight & his eye would had been so fucked up to fight again. 60 stiches & plastic surgery needed is not enough to prove who won? All (other than Kitchsko) deserves to be in the Top 5 of modern era boxing. Yes, Holmes best Ali's bitch ass & I love to watch that fight every month. That's Ali, when needed, he got Dundee to throw the towel in, rather than take his ass whipping like a man. There were many men & women also who didn't want to kill the enemy (some also for spitiual reasons), yet tens of thousands serves in that War alone. Ali doesn't deserve a Top 10 spot.

@yinkaoyesanya8159

4 жыл бұрын

Jojew Holmes fought an out of condition Ali in the early stage of ill health.

NBC airing boxing. What a time to be alive.

@darrylmcmillan5539

8 ай бұрын

Amen 🎯

@paddydoublems

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. I remember watching this fight. And in prime time as well.

@Robert-qm5so

3 ай бұрын

Larry Holmes was great but to me Carl Williams won this fight

I could be wrong but I believe this was the last time one of the three major networks televised a heavyweight title fight live in prime time. I miss those days.

@TopHeavyweightBoxing

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, after this the Heavyweight Championship moved off free tv which was supported solely by broadcast advertising and the site fee, if there was one. There's more of a story of what happened to bring this about and how it relates to a great deal more.

@pedrocarrasquillo6351

3 ай бұрын

Me too

The good old days when good fights were on network television.

@charlestilley2576

4 жыл бұрын

That's why the fighters (& promoters) gets huge contracts, PPV revenues. Still miss the good old days, watched Holmes vs Ali on national TV.

@johnmcgee5970

4 жыл бұрын

And those guys was just how was tougher than the other and so.e styles looked a lil better than others

@johnmcgee5970

4 жыл бұрын

I saw some guys giving the young Cassius Clay that work but the fighters was so no named that it's hard to fi d the footage, so when they do when 5 or 6 notable fights it make them look really great

@michaelclayton3114

4 жыл бұрын

That's what hurt boxing . No more recognition with regular non - paying cable customers .Boxing had more familiarization .A lot of boxers now are strangers because of it .

@jasonkessler7321

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelclayton3114 Yep, by the mid 1990s it was really bad. The one that I think of most was Vinny Pazienza vs Roberto Duran, that should have been for free on network tv.

You can make a case for Holmes at 143-142 but 146-139? No damn way

@lishsc3

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY! Lol

@djhardcorproductions6132

3 жыл бұрын

Holmes got a gift that night. So he really shouldn't have been mad when he lost to Michael Spinks because he really had gotten away with a couple victories he may not have really deserved

@jacobh7188

3 жыл бұрын

@@djhardcorproductions6132 In my opinion, Holmes was so lucky throughout his career. He really lost against Ken Norton, Tim Witherspoon and Carl Williams. Not to mention the fact that he ducked fighters like Greg page and Pinklon Thomas.

@lefez9015

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobh7188 He beat Norton and Witherspoon but he definitely lost this one. EDIT: rescored again and had it a draw.

@PhuckHue2

3 жыл бұрын

Larry connected more punches.

Rip Carl Williams one hell of a heavyweight,from 85-93.

Larry Holmes was a good champion,7 years at the top,underfeated as WBC champion and had one of the best jabs in the heavyweights.He was never given his respect or due,he is one of the top 5 in greatest Heavyweight champions in history.Larry Holmes is my favorite Heavyweight!

@Godshonestruth

Жыл бұрын

Good comment. Very insightful.

@adamg9173

Жыл бұрын

Well.. listen to the fans late in his fight with Ray Mercer. Old Larry banged away at that monster that whole fight and by the end the fans began to realize just what a legend he was. Then he took on Holyfield and looked good doing it. I think he got his respect eventually

@user-ui8or8cq7l

3 күн бұрын

Deontay Wilder is the greatest

Considering the opponent this is easily the best performance of Carl Williams' career.

@danpolseno9728

2 ай бұрын

Carl Williams had Tommy Morrison on the deck twice I believe??

@ssviking81

2 ай бұрын

@@danpolseno9728 Yes indeed "the Truth" dropped Morrison twice in the 6th or 7th round.

Holmes is one of my favorite boxers, but on this occasion I'm forced to admit I saw the fight for his opponent. Williams consistently out-jabbed Holmes, negated his attacks, and won the majority of the rounds. Holmes certainly landed the heavier punches but not nearly enough of them. That being said I couldn't argue against anyone who saw it for either fighter - most of these rounds were so close that you could have a wide variety of scores. I might even if I watch this a year from now. Williams 144, Holmes 142.

Larry Holmes was a proud, gifted, and very brave fighter. Unfortunately for him, he didn't become champion until he was almost 30 years old. This makes his accomplishments as champion even more impressive.

@tlig

3 жыл бұрын

He was 28 when he became champion. That's not old at all.

@dynamitekid5521

2 жыл бұрын

@@tlig you don’t know anything bout boxing and it shows punk.

@Shovelhook

2 жыл бұрын

His style depended relatively from age.

@Speedy-ms6ck

2 жыл бұрын

Why was it unfortunately that he became a champion at that age or any age??? Some people go through life not accomplishing anything at any age 👈

@christophertyler3425

2 жыл бұрын

Love Holmes but thought he lost this fight!

in the late 70s into the mid-80s is when every single weekend on one of the networks there was either a championship fight or two top contenders fighting each other

@djhardcorproductions6132

3 жыл бұрын

yea these were the days! Good ol days the time good fights for free

@JamesJackson-xd7jq

3 жыл бұрын

@@djhardcorproductions6132 You got that right my friend.... EVERY weekend , without fail , on free tv , great championship fights or top contenders going up against each other.....

@76WestSports

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, James. I miss those days. The heavyweight championship was on the same level as the Super Bowl, World Series, and NBA Finals back then.

@JamesJackson-xd7jq

3 жыл бұрын

@David Clark He was a true warrior !

@Demy1970

3 жыл бұрын

Best time for boxing, I remember those fights on Saturday afternoon at Rahway state prison with James scott

RIP Carl Williams :-(

@antonioquesada366

3 жыл бұрын

We

I scored the fight 143-142 for Williams, but Holmes once again proved why he is 1 of the 3 greatest heavyweights in boxing history. In his 20th title defense, the way past his prime Holmes demonstrated his incredible versatility and great heart by pounding Williams to the body in the 9th round. After the fight, Eddie Futch stated, "Ali didn't throw 100 body punches in his entire career, but Larry listened to my advice in the corner and like he always seems to do, he finds a way to win." For whatever reason, most young boxing fans place little to no importance on boxing intangibles. They get all excited about Tyson's greatest knockout wins and/or the Lewis' longevity, but give a free pass to both men getting knocked out in their primes by journeyman heavyweights and NEVER winning a fight after being knocked down or behind on points.

@manuginobilisbaldspot424

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. You just epitomized Holmes in his entirety. All steak, no sizzle and that's why he never got his just due as a fantastic champion.

@aarondigby9859

Жыл бұрын

Lewis and Tyson both gas bags.

@michaelblum6537

Жыл бұрын

Excellent post!

@seablock

10 ай бұрын

You have no idea what a journeyman is if you think Douglas, Rahman or McCall come under that description. Then you come up with some illogical condition as though to justify your position with the "Didn't win a fight after being knocked down or after being behind on points" which makes no sense. That's without the fact that you're wrong with Lewis in fact winning a fight by stoppage after being behind on points against Vitali Klitschko. But to top it off, you look at how Lewis lost those fights against Rahman and McCall with the McCall fight being stopped when it shouldn't have. But you should know all about Don King trying to freeze Lewis out as he wouldn't sign up with him. Then the Rahman fight with Lewis turning up to South Africa far too late to acclimatise to the altitude where he gassed out badly and was seen with his mouth wide open from the start trying to get air into his lungs. You however did get the right winner in this fight as Williams did in fact win but got jobbed.

@pjtheory

10 ай бұрын

@@seablock Fine...Douglas/Rahman/McCall were not true journeyman, but unlike Tyson and Lewis (e.g., twice), Holmes NEVER lost in his prime. You can make all the excuses you want about those 3 losses, but the FACT remains that Tyson and Lewis combined for 3 defeats by knockout when they were in their prime. I was surprised that Lewis was behind 56-58 on all 3 scorecards in the last fight of his career. My bad, but it doesn't change the importance of intangibles when judging the resume of a fighter. Time and time again, a prime Larry Holmes found a way to win whereas everyone's favorite highlight reel (e.g., Mike Tyson) was knocked out in his prime by a good, but not great or even very good fighter. The same holds true for Lewis' 2 knockout losses which went a combined 7 rounds. For me, the main example of what made Holmes 1 of the 3 greatest heavyweights in boxing history was his performance against then undefeated Ray Mercer. The 42 year old Holmes dominated Mercer whereas Mercer gave a prime Lewis all he could handle in a 10 round slugfest.

This was the golden era of boxing . Great fights on broadcast TV every other weekend .

Williams was a hell of a fighter r.i.p

I watched this fight live, and rooted for Larry Holmes all the way; but in the end I knew The Truth had won.

@xxcrump3575

2 жыл бұрын

He lost

@tarstarkusz

Жыл бұрын

This was nowhere near as big a robbery I thought it was from the last time I watched it (I watched it live as a kid and 7 years ago). The rounds Williams did well in, were very inconsistent and he took long stretches of time off in these rounds. He seemed to out jab Holmes for like 1 45 to 2 minutes and then spent the last minute standing in front of him not doing anything. His corner should have given him holy hell!

47 wins, no defeats and 20 title defenses (over 7 years). Unmatched!

@TheJpep2424

8 жыл бұрын

Ellis Marcelle He lost to Witherspoon and Williams.

@swalk813

8 жыл бұрын

+John Jamele It was close, but he lost. 8-6-1 even giving the champ the benefit of the doubt. If it was a fight with 2 non-title guys, Carl wins 10-5.

@K9boxing

7 жыл бұрын

Sam Walker this is win boxing was at its best wide world of sports

@bwayne872

7 жыл бұрын

i don`t think holmes lost to witherspoon i just don`t think witherspoon did enough to beat holmes and i watched that fight over and over again now as for carl the truth williams i think he lost the last three and that`s y holmes won

@jerrychristian6910

7 жыл бұрын

You had Holmes winning the 13th?

i've watched this fight a dozen times over the years. I've never had Holmes winning. I've either had Williams winning 8-7, 8-6-1, or a 7-7-1 draw. After watching for the 13th time, I scored Williams 8-6-1.

@johnmcgee5970

4 жыл бұрын

Me too and Holmes knew, they like what style looked the best and if you could fight you was a hero

@theboxingforce4701

4 жыл бұрын

Williams edged him 100 percent

@petersd314

4 жыл бұрын

Boxing was so corrupt. Two judges had it 146-139 Holmes. NO FUCKING WAY Holmes won this fight. No fucking way he won by 7 points!!!! This fight is why I stopped supporting and watching boxing. Flagrant in your face corruption

@swalk813

4 жыл бұрын

@@petersd314 Exactly. The 'reward' that Williams was given was to be ranked in all 3 organizations and be able to make money fighting other contenders. Meanwhile Holmes used his name to make millions fighting Spinks. Ironically enough, Holmes fought better against Spinks in both of those fights than he did in this one, but lost both decisions. R.I.P Carl. You deserved better.

@gerardusch

3 жыл бұрын

I have scored it 7-6-2 for Holmes with the 5th and 13th round even. Williams fought well, but just not well enough to convincingly earn the heavyweight title. He got in trouble a couple of times in the later rounds and just didn't do enough offensively in those rounds. The Truth himself admitted in the post-fight interview he hadn't beaten Larry ...

the last primetime boxing card televised by the big 3 networks. In the late 70s and early 80s these primetime shows were common place. Those were the days

@swalk813

8 жыл бұрын

+Mark Phelps Because it got obvious that the fights were fixed, unless you knocked the Don King fighter out.

@landrewilkinson2833

5 жыл бұрын

Mark Phelps yeah those were the days!!!!

@jenniferparson7492

5 жыл бұрын

It was beautiful back then!

@darylwoodard1054

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed,they were.

@robertstdon9280

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Phelps yeah an the 15 rounds ended too

This fight was riveting and Larry was tested to the limit

That decision was BULL!!!!!

@robross8935

4 жыл бұрын

steven sandman Which was what I thought in 1985.

Carl Williams had excellent boxing skills for a big man

@aarondigby9859

Жыл бұрын

When the young lions: Witherspoon, Snipes, Williams had Holmes in trouble they never had or knew how to finish the fight, that showed their slight inexperience, like they were googly eyes.

Is this a holmes fight or a rocky documentary.. Ever hear that rocky fights was fixed.. Definition of great white hype .. Joe louis was 157 years old when rocky won...

yeah, Holmes was great. way underrated great. At his prime you'd have to say that nobody clearly beats him. He may well have beat both Klitschkos, young ali, young Tyson, a big Lennox Lewis, Foreman, Liston, smoking Joe, Louis. We can argue about any of those fights but we can't argue about his greatness.

When an unknown upstart does well against an established and heavily-favored champion, it's easy to overstate his actual level of success in a fight. I always thought that was at play in this fight. Very close, but not a robbery by any standard. The Truth was a beautiful boxer.

I loved Holmes but he lost this fight

I thought Williams won but Holmes, the older fighter, won the last three rounds, and Holmes looked more tired than Williams. Holmes got heart!

Holmes fought Shavers twice.

@terribleTed-ln6cm

3 жыл бұрын

There should be a special award just for that.....Shavers was terrifying.

Holmes a VERY close 8-7. He just was more aggressive throughout the bout--And pulled it out in the 15th. (I met one of the judges for this fight years later & he himself told me that he felt that Williams didn't "push" the action, but "coasted" in the latter rounds & thus scored the fight 10-5.)

@Charismaniac

2 жыл бұрын

This fight was 9-6 Holmes or 8-6-1 Holmes. Williams started very well but faded quickly and never really hurt Holmes. He got countered badly and didn't deserve the win, which he admitted in the post-fight interview.

Carl the truth Williams, won that fight ,he should have been champion.

@jonnydanger7181

3 жыл бұрын

So did Tex Cobb he really whipped Larry.

@lwmson

2 жыл бұрын

True. This was Holmes version of Ali-Norton 3.

@paullubin5577

2 жыл бұрын

I was a friend of the late Carl Williams. I watched this fight back in 1985. I watched it again today, 36 years later. Carl won the fight. How could two of the judges have Holmes win by 7 points. I can tell you that Carl was never the same after this fight. He was a very down to earth person. I miss you Carl!!!

@lwmson

2 жыл бұрын

@@paullubin5577 I guess Carl was to Holmes what Norton was to Ali. Just as Norton won the third Ali fight, but was cheated by the judges, Carl certainly won this fight but was robbed as well. All one need do is look at Holmes eye, and it's obvious who who won this bout.

@lwmson

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonnydanger7181 Oh pleeeeeze! Williams was robbed here, but no way did Cobb beat Holmes. That fight was a mismatch. I remember how Howard Cosell was so appalled that they didn't end, because Cobb was being beaten so badly, that he stopped working pro boxing matches after that bout.

This was the last of the good ole days of watching championship boxing fro free on network TV. I remember this fight. It was Larry's last victory before he finally lost to Spinks. A lot of people thought he lost this fight. I know he was wore out at the end. I was 2 months shy of 16 when I saw this fight.

@Da_Publick

7 ай бұрын

Me too; I remember Williams got famous for awhile, telling people he was the 'uncrowned king.' But then we started to hear about this knockout artist from Brooklyn, who was trained by Cus D'Amato.

Larry was probably a little past his best although fought on and off for another 15 years. Carl Williams was one of the best boxers in the division for a few years.

i have a theory: tyson was just on the cusp of the 15 round era, by coming in so hard and nasty he often caught these 15 round guys off guard, they fought in a different way at a different pace, like when he fought carl

@maorificationable

4 жыл бұрын

That's a great observation

@liecrusher3506

4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting observation.

@leonardcharles59

4 жыл бұрын

But it's how he fought everyone so it was up to his opponent to be versatile enough to adjust to his style. Douglass did and later on holyfield, albeit differently, did it too. So it was up to the fighter to recognize the need to make the adjustment and force Tyson to respect it.

First fight I remember watching. Had no idea that it would be the last time a world heavyweight boxing title match would be show live on broadcast TV. It was boring as a kid...but we all thought Williams won. Rewatching it now, it was closer, but he still won in my opinion.

@76WestSports

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that was the end of heavyweight prime time championship boxing on tv too.

@philchroniger7839

2 жыл бұрын

They actually had a couple of Tyson fights on network when he came back from prison. For instance, I know the Buster Mathis Jr fight was on Fox.

@manuginobilisbaldspot424

2 жыл бұрын

@@philchroniger7839 Right...but that wasn't a heavyweight title fight. This was the last live heavyweight title fight on network TV.

@philchroniger7839

2 жыл бұрын

@@manuginobilisbaldspot424 gotcha

@aarondigby9859

Жыл бұрын

@@philchroniger7839 they had a few fights on national tv after this, the Pete McNeely/Tyson fight is one I remember.

Holmes deserved to win by at least a couple of points. Note that he had Williams badly hurt in round 8, end of round 14 and again at the start of 15. But Williams never hurt Holmes. It would have been really unjust if Holmes didn't get the decision.

@trololololloll2188

7 жыл бұрын

Jerry Roth's scorecard is the most realistic one IMO

Yes I remember this fight well. Holmes was a great champion but I thought Williams won also. This was a great fight start to finish.

Yeah, this should have been a wake up call to Holmes that it was all over. He lost that fight.

@robross8935

4 жыл бұрын

I knew he was going to have problems with Michael Spinks after watching this fight in 1985.

@JasonMarshMusic

4 жыл бұрын

@@robross8935 I wonder if the Spinks decision was payback for Holmes getting a gift in this fight.

@76WestSports

3 жыл бұрын

@@JasonMarshMusic I thought Holmes won this fight.

@76WestSports

3 жыл бұрын

I respectfully disagree. I thought Holmes pulled it out in the championship rounds.

@harveychampagne1737

3 жыл бұрын

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Spot on. Holmes had enough all round ability to be considered great. Punch, chin, stamina and most of all heart. Larry had it all.

@sidneyrash9718

11 ай бұрын

yeah larry had all that did nothin great but survive

7:54 that was a great interview. The Truth had charisma

@Odawg96

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah! I really remember that “young lions” interview! The Truth was a very insightful and articulate. I fully expected him to win a piece of the title after this fight. The Weaver debacle doomed him, and he never got a world title.

Ernie Shavers was someone. He had the highest KO percentage in heavyweight history and Holmes beat him twice. Ken Norton was someone. He was the champion in 1978 and many believe he beat Muhammad Ali twice. Jerry Cooney was someone. He knocked out Ken Norton & Ron Lyle. He was also 25-0 with 21 KO's going into the Holmes fight. Who knows how many more champs there would have been if Holmes wasn't knocking them off one by one? He also handled Ali and Joe Frazier in sparring before he turned pro.

Beginning of the end for Holmes. One of the greatest though.

I‘m a Holmes fan, but I think Holmes lost this fight.

@fiucik1

3 жыл бұрын

Same with me. And 146-139 for Larry? That's way beyond being a joke...

@TheEwanMC

3 жыл бұрын

The Witherspoon fight was also one you could argue he may not have won and he was hurt badly in that fight too.

@swalk813

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheEwanMC I'd argue that Williams won this fight clearer than Witherspoon. I scored the Holmes/Witherspoon fight a draw, giving the champ the benefit of the doubt. IMHO, Carl won this fight.

@claydogmadman6295

3 жыл бұрын

Larry did lost that fight and it hurts me to realize that as well...

@SKa-tt9nm

3 жыл бұрын

I have it 143-142 for Larry but it was exceptionally close. Carl shouldn’t have taken his foot off the pedal after the first few rounds.

Two "judges" had the fight 146-139? What fight were they watching?

Wow! What great version of the national Anthem by JOSE FELICIANO

And that's why I gave you a list of skills that Larry Holmes had in his prime. Other than maybe Joe Louis, I don't know another heavyweight that was more technically sound than Holmes was but even at that being said, Holmes could change his style. He even figured out the "rope a dope" strategy later in his career that helped him beat Mercer. That takes skill. Tyson couldn't do that, Louis couldn't do that and only one other heavyweight champion could change styles like that. Muhammad Ali.

Holmes was a great champion!!!! No two ways about it!

@K9boxing

7 жыл бұрын

Medici Enterprises Support Staff absolutely

@ryandelmar7969

5 жыл бұрын

Perhaps, but he was also a complete asshole.

@thebestchannel5456

4 жыл бұрын

@Joe3 But he still went in at what 46 and 0? come on now give him a little credit .....I was mad watching the KZread video of Holmes beating Ali though

@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd

4 жыл бұрын

@Joe3, Never heard of Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers? He beat some of the same guys as Mike Tyson such as Trevor Berbick and James Smith. He took Tim Witherspoon's "0" and there's nothing you can do to take away his feats and accomplishments.

@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd

4 жыл бұрын

@@thebestchannel5456, He went 48-0

Carl did more to Holmes, did Spinks did 🤔

@aj7utu

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Williams did more to Holmes than in Spinks did in Holmes-M_Spinks II.

@theinformationbomber7102

2 жыл бұрын

@@aj7utu holmes spinks 2 was a robbery

The Truth always prevails... RIP

I had the fight a draw. Williams got off to a good start, using his legs, getting off first, out jabbing Holmes and landing the bigger punches but after 6 rounds his work rate dropped off and Holmes being the crafty old champion picked it up attacking the body and coming back into it. The later rounds were difficult to score as both fighters tired, you could make a case for either guy to have won by a couple of rounds but for me no way was it an out and out robbery.

Watched this fight again, and still scored it 144-142 Williams. Yes, he did give some rounds away at the end that he shouldn't have. He thought he had a bigger cushion. I can see that tipping the scales toward the one judge that had it 143-142 for Holmes. But 146-139? Those two were paid off.

@robertwilson3755

2 жыл бұрын

Mills Lane is a legend

@gordonmorris6359

2 жыл бұрын

I thought Carl was robbed at the time, and watching again all these years later I still think he was robbed.

@aarondigby9859

Жыл бұрын

@@gordonmorris6359 Holmes got a few controversial split decisions until he said disparaging remarks about Marciano and lost a split decision to Spinks. Holmes was robbed.

@aarondigby9859

Жыл бұрын

@@gordonmorris6359 Karl looked so amateurish. Watching this fight for the umpteenth time, Karl just didn't do enough to dispell the reigning champion of his title, as did Spinks in which Holmes was robbed.

Good old days man

The Champ was working OT here to keep his career going, Carl Williams was a talented dude.. tough fight

I gave that a draw, maybe Holmes just edging it, but 146/139 from 2 judges, no Don't you just love Nevada.

I scored the fight in favor of Williams 9 rounds to 6

please don't stop with the larry holmes full version! good job on the upload

Larry got robbed in M.Spinks II but got a bit lucky in this and Witherspoon fights despite being so close...

Holmes eye was closed and the lack of an Enswell iron in the corner reminds me of Tyson vs Buster Douglas.

@darrolldevanesavage7423

4 жыл бұрын

The wait till after the fight to apply it smh

@travisthechimp7857

4 жыл бұрын

@I DON'T CARE I DON'T CARE Yes it was a condom with water and only used because the corner didn't want to look like they weren't prepared.. My only question for them would be.. who thought to bring a condom and why.

The fact that two judges gave Larry ELEVEN rounds is shameful. I've seen a lot of boxing matches and that one was scored as outrageously as any of them. Criminal.

@MyVeryHappyDay

Жыл бұрын

Larry carried the last 5 rounds. Game over.

I new Carl, he would come by my house to run .around Hempstead lake. I new back then. watching.Carl Sparing. That he would. Be a good freighter. ...TO THE CARL. WILLIAMS FAMILY. IM SORRY FOR YOUR. LOST...UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN CARL ...MAY YOU REST IN PEACE. GOD BLESS. ...

@thetruth72667

4 жыл бұрын

16161645 That's right I forgot he passed. Such a shame RIP! Had to be cool knowing him bro sorry...

@kelvinburns4597

4 жыл бұрын

When did Carl the truth Williams died a lot of these cut boxers died that I don't even know about their a lot of good Fighters have died like Greg Page Ron Lyle Michael dokes when a good Champion dies heavyweight champion especially they should be honored don't too many people when the heavyweight champion that's not an easy task

@kelvinburns4597

4 жыл бұрын

What did Carl the truth Williams die from

I met Larry Holmes recently and he's very nice

The truth got screwed he won the fight and we know it

What a robbery that was

Yes Williams should have taken the title. Met him on the 5 train in the Bronx around 2005.

Then you need to figure out what having technical ability means because Holmes had it all in his prime. The greatest jab in heavyweight history, an excellent right hand and a powerful uppercut. He was a good combination puncher, he went to the body and he had fantastic foot work. He could fight at range, toe to toe or close in. His hand speed and reflexes were also top notch. His only weakness was supposed to be his punching power but 48-0 with 34 KO's is good & he was a great technical fighter

Carl Williams won this.

Williams definitely won that fight! What a RIP-OFF!

IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY LIKE CARL THE TRUTH THAT THEY WANTED HIM TO WIN THE FIGHT SO BAD.THE TRUTH IS THEY WERE SCARED THAT HOLMES BEATS THE MACINO RECORD OF 49 FIGHTS. I WAS SO HAPPY THAT HE WAN THAT FIGHT HE IS A REAL CHAMPION.

Holmes was not a show man he was classy. A Real Professional, a Winner, true dominant champion

there was two ways to beat Holmes. Outjab him like Weatherspoon & Williams did, or time Holmes jab with a counter crushing right hand the way Tyson did

@K9boxing

7 жыл бұрын

Macheal Naylor Tyson was a beast n2 he switched his team and married Robbin Givens

@sihlembabe6585

4 жыл бұрын

Day light robbery larry lost these fight

@emzid5105

3 жыл бұрын

@@sihlembabe6585 he never lost the fight vs witherspoon, no way. You probably have in mind the 9th round and some body shots. Boxing is not based on one strong round. Yeah it was a close fight in every round, but how many rouds Tim has really won against Larry, honestly ? PS: i just rewatched the fight the other, with and then without the sound ( to not hear Dundee scream for everthing witherspoon did lol ). And So i repeat, Holmes won that fight vs witherspoon, there's no controversy.

@mankuqhapaqii4798

2 жыл бұрын

Tyson would not have been able to beat the prime Larry Holmes

idiots booing during the 15th round lull would be more gassed after 1 minute of boxing

@swalk813

8 жыл бұрын

+Ian Germaine They were probably booing because they knew Carl had to knock him out to win and he wouldn't/couldn't.

@TheDimachaerus

7 жыл бұрын

As is the case when trying to take the title from a long reigning champion.

@monkeyb1820

7 жыл бұрын

unless you're sugar ray leonard, in which case you'll be gifted the decision

@jeffmax2941

6 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but ur the best Larry but u got beat tonight

Jerry Roth was the only judge who got his right, with Holmes barely winning by a 143-142 count. The other 2 judges called it 146-139, or 11 rounds for Holmes and 4 rounds for Williams........those cards were absurd.

Never appreciated Larry Holmes til many years later. In my opinion, he was a great fighter and a hell of a Champion.

This was barely a fight. One man just abusing an old warhorse who lacked the same talent, and couldn't do anything with his experience. Easy fight for Williams. This was the worst possible style of fighter for Holmes, or any boxer. Too much reach, and too strong of a jab. Two assets Holmes always had, but never to the same extent. I gave it to Williams 10-5. A one-sided beatdown.

@trololololloll2188

7 жыл бұрын

LMFAO!!

@chrisbennett606

6 жыл бұрын

TA152H01 well Mike Tyson never had any problem with Carl the truth Willian's

Williams could have truly been something if his jaw wasn't made of glass. Shame.

@swalk813

8 жыл бұрын

+TheCerealGuy8 True that. He had all the skills, except for the damn left hook....which in this fight didn't come into play

@Ma007rk

7 жыл бұрын

I don't know that I would say that his jaw was made of glass but it was certainly suspect. Let's face it. The people that TKO'd him were some pretty hard punchers. (Tyson, Weaver, Morrison) and the others that hurt him (Ferguson, Cooper) had a good punch as well.

@K9boxing

7 жыл бұрын

TheCerealGuy8 If any heavyweight land a good punch on any heavyweight it's lights out

@miraclemeditations3919

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you about both fights. Those who were caught up in all the Pro-Duran hysteria in Montreal weren't able to see what was really happening, which was Sugar Ray out-slugging Duran in the majority of the exchanges.' This fight here, I don't know of the judges were distracted by.

@tom11zz884

5 жыл бұрын

He had a bad habit of dropping his right hand

Larry Holmes had a 47-0 record, and was champ for 7 years when he met Carl "The Truth" Williams, so NBC chose to make their pre-fight programming an in-depth bio of Rocky Marciano! That story should've been used if and when Larry could tie Rocky with a 49th victory, Even their interview with Holmes steers him toward discussing Marciano. PS, Dick Enberg is wearing a bizarre tux with over-sized velvet lapels, a loud jazzbow and freaky ruffled shirt. Jose Feliciano performs the National Anthem with the enthusiasm he put into any song.

Marciano carried a sledgehammer

ROBBERY...the judge who had it 46-39 or whatever Holmes... OMGosh!! Williams displayed the crispiest, most sublime jab in the history of boxing.. Very underrated CLASSIC. And, did ya'll notice the look on Holmes when it was over? For sure, he thought he lost that fight.

@emzid5105

3 жыл бұрын

i've heard Holmes saying that williams was by far his toughest fight during his reign.

@Aerojet01

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Williams should've got the decision. However, he brought it on himself by coasting through the later rounds by doing hardly any work. Just flicking out the jab, staying out of range and throwing the odd arm punch, against an aging, flat footed and out of shape Lary Holmes, who was there for taking. I suspect, the judges awarded Homles the inactive rounds because he was the one forcing the action. I'm old school; to win a world title from the champion, you should go out there and make a statement. Rip the belt from his waist. Prove to everyone you are the clear winner. Williams did great things in the earlier rounds with his footwork, extra reach, crisp jab and fast combos, but he didn't maintain it throughout the fight.

R.I.P Carl the truth..tough night for larry

@robertwilson3755

2 жыл бұрын

Has Carl Williams passed ?

In those days if you're the champion the 13th 14th 15th round were the Championship rounds. Larry Holmes won those 3 rounds that's how he retained his title in my book.

Another thing you're wrong about is that he was an Ali clone. Of course he picked up some aspects of his game from Ali but they were two totally different fighters. Holmes had a better jab, he went to the body more whereas Ali was a head hunter, he circled his man and stayed off the ropes while his mentor would back peddle right into them and he was a superior infighter. Holmes had great movement but he could also go toe to toe with the best of them. That wasn't the case with Ali.

LOL! At the end of round 12 they showed a replay of when Holmes supposedly thumbed Williams in his left eye with a left jab. What a crock!

@johnperkinson2394

2 жыл бұрын

The punch slide across his eye. No thumb

This is the first time I've really watched this entire fight since I was probably 13 or 14 y.o. I used to feel sorry for Larry getting the RUNAROUND against Spinks both times but after witnessing this fight AINTNAMORE. Larry should've went into the first Spinks fight 47-1 So karma came thru in the end.

@bigdaddy4069

2 жыл бұрын

It's not Larry's fault who the judges voted for fella !!!!!!

@philchroniger7839

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Larry didn't get the runaround in the first Spinks fight. Now the second, different story...

@earlross1663

2 жыл бұрын

The boxing world wanted Holmes to be undefeated at 49-0 that way it would be more of a money draw, think about it how is it that he lost to Spinks and by doing so Marcianos record stays in tack. Then Spinks fights Tyson both undefeated but Spinks gets knocked out, and never ask for a rematch, but ends up retiring after his only lost.😒IJS

@roberthorton6619

2 жыл бұрын

When master boxer meets master boxer it becomes chess match spunks can slip punches better because he was smaller man remember spinks came from light heavy

@roberthorton6619

2 жыл бұрын

Golden glove champ williams

Holmes was such a badass, that even after his prime year's he lasted longer than most fighters in their prime when he fought Tyson. I think if I saw the fight right, his arm got tangle on the ropes and that's when he got caught and knocked out.

@aarondigby9859

Жыл бұрын

The young fighters didn't know how to finish against Holmes.

@Speedy-ms6ck

Жыл бұрын

@@aarondigby9859 Semi True, but Holmes was just BadAss. Young or old.

So he only had the IBF belt at this point ? What happened to the belt he got from Ali ?

@Odawg96

3 жыл бұрын

He didn’t get the belt from Ali. He won the WBC belt from Norton. Ali retired as WBA champ. Holmes was stripped of the WBC belt for not defending against Greg Page at the end of ‘83, the #1 contender (Holmes fought Marvin’s Frazier instead). At the beginning of ‘84, the IBF got started, and they recognized Holmes as their inaugural champion.

Thought Carl won back in '85 when I watched it and still think Carl won.

@johnmcgee5970

4 жыл бұрын

He Did

@johnmcgee5970

4 жыл бұрын

And see when I was younger I did t understand but goi g back watch those fights some people they never ever mentioned gave our heroes so e tough times but got robbed because of the business of it

I remember watching this, and Holmes won the late rounds.

@deacontheseer4804

4 жыл бұрын

But not the fight

@76WestSports

3 жыл бұрын

@@deacontheseer4804 Holmes won the fight in my eyes.

@ntak7716

2 жыл бұрын

Not the fight

This was boxing one of the best era's in history when it was for the love of the sport of boxing 🥊 💯 not just 💵 money 💵

It wasn't exhibition fights that Marciano supposedly fought that were counted as professional. It was amateur fights, especially one against Coley Wallace.

I remember watching this fight live and feeling that Williams got robbed. In retrospect watching again today 27 years later it was a much closer fight than I had remembered. I still thought that Williams won but stylistically it made for a fight with a lot of close rounds so I could see some judges giving it to the champion by a close margin. The ridiculous part is that two of the judges had it 146-139 (11 rounds to 4 for Holmes!?) No way in hell you can tell me that Williams only won 4 rounds.

@TrojansFirst

2 жыл бұрын

What I remember most was when they interviewed Williams after the fight and they asked him if he thought he won, he said "No"..That was sure unexpected!

@danthaman03

5 ай бұрын

I scored it 8 rounds to 7 for Williams.

Holmes would have beat the breaks off Marciano.

@bobbytheblade2550

4 жыл бұрын

For sure, but Rocky beat every top guy in his era and retired undefeated - a feat no heavyweight champion has yet equaled. That's his greatness. As for Larry Holmes, he was the best talent and most professional and consistent champion ever. He belongs in everybody's top 5 greatest heavyweights of all time - no doubt!

@gabbyjay68

4 жыл бұрын

dont be so sure rocky was a tough hard hitting never give up true fighter and larry could be hit by right hands rockys best punch

@pearcemark2

4 жыл бұрын

@@gabbyjay68 Rocky would get lit up bad

@gabbyjay68

4 жыл бұрын

@@pearcemark2 people thought foreman would light up Ali too , point is you don't really know

@2READYCRETE

4 жыл бұрын

Rocky, had he fought in the 80s, would have been a 220 Pound Heavyweight. Had Holmes or Williams fought in the 50s, they would have been 195 0ound Heavyweights

I thought Williams won this fight

The great Ray Arcel the trainer of The hands of stone said it best,different styles,eras,etc.! Marciano only had 49 fights and let's be serious he fought senior citizens!! Marciano did not have a excellent record in the Army,he said he got beat so bad in a fight he gave up his bad habits of drinking beer and smoking cigarettes, he dedicated himself to staying in condition after that!

Holmes made a career of struggling with novice heavyweights, getting bad decisions against them, and never giving them a return fight (Weaver, Snipes, Williams, Witherspoon). The only thing Holmes was great at was thumbing.

@charlestilley2576

4 жыл бұрын

They all get away with a low blow, thumb, whatever now & then. Boxing is a contact sport, unlike golf, sometimes when throwing a punch, it'll land the wrong way. That's the way boxing goes, have seen far more low blows versus Holmes thumbing in my lifetime. Even Foreman got away with hitting with his hand open, other got away with arm punching, wo will give a pass on Holmes for the occasional thumb. At least he had the guts to remain in his nation & fight, over 7 years as World Champion. Few has held the title that long & I know Ali never did, Holmes kicked his dead ass before Dundee threw in the towel, as always ducking a war. I seen the fight live, even a prime Ali couldn't beat Holmes.

@manuginobilisbaldspot424

4 жыл бұрын

LMAO...makes a career...four fights out of 48 wins to this point. Genius.

@kelvinburns4597

4 жыл бұрын

Actually he fought Mike Weaver twice technically he fought Mike Weaver twice the old man when he fought Mike Weaver again

Seeing this again, I definitely felt the truth won.

@thomasjones7115

4 жыл бұрын

..... I remember watching this fight cheering on Carl but as the corrupt promoters and Judges would have it Greed won the day ....

@finjjview6409

4 жыл бұрын

definitely

Larry LEGEND .

How many rounds was this fight?

@Ryan2022

10 ай бұрын

15. Boring rounds. It was fights like these that had people so excited for Mike Tyson to take over the division.

@mallguy8970

9 ай бұрын

I heard him say 15.

Carl Williams was actually the first man to beat Larry Holmes but didn't get the victory... And that's hard for me to say because Holmes is an all time favorite of mine...

@drahcirnevarc9152

2 жыл бұрын

Same here.

@Streetsmart1984

Жыл бұрын

Wrong; ken Norton beat Holmes first … t

@claydogmadman6295

Жыл бұрын

@@Streetsmart1984 That's your opinion that Norton beat Holmes and your opinion is in a small majority I can tell you that right now... And given the fact that Larry Holmes TKO'ed both Ernie Shavers and Gerry Clooney the same two fighters that both put Kenny Norton away in one round, that there in itself let's you know that the judges gave the fight to the right guy... Larry Holmes...

I think Holmes had the career Ali would have without the exile in terms of record

@76WestSports

3 жыл бұрын

Possibly with the exception of Frazier I

@emzid5105

3 жыл бұрын

@@76WestSports everybody talks about frazier and i really respect the guy but honestly, why everybody considers his career so great ? exept beating Ali one time, why so many people consider him as one of the greatest, norton should have the same recognition.

@mankuqhapaqii4798

2 жыл бұрын

@@emzid5105 Because he was one of the greatest. Unlike Ali's victories over Frazier, Frazier's victory over Ali was actually decisive. Ken Norton is on the same league, but as a fighter he is below Ali, Liston, Foreman and Frazier.

Rocky marciano was one of the best. Heavyweight fighters of his time he won every fight other. Heavyweights couldn't repeat that record.

First time I’ve ever seen the clock for the round counting up instead down 😂