Ken makes thing very clear.

He means pain does not end, but, rather, one becomes detatched to pleasence and thus non-aversive/reactive to unpleasence. (I made up some words, but the meaning is obvious) dispassion/Vairāgya. As the Upaniṣads often say: The Sage is neither elated by what is pleasant, nor crestfallen by what is unpleasant. Detachment, dispassion, Vairāgya etc. is nirvāṇa, which is often translated by Buddhists as the sessation of suffering. the body of one who conquers the Ego can be in hell, while his/her mind is in paradise. I.e. immovable and unending inner tranquility: Vajra; Padma etc. etc. etc.

Wow in just 2 minutes he gave 8000 years of information. That was better than the actual bonghit- I experienced time standing still.

I can include all perspectives if and only if I don't have any perspective of my own.

Thanks Ken

It must be difficult for Ken with this vast awareness and to have built up such an ego through is image as Wilber.

Love it like I love books Book 33

you are right, but so is Wilber. I think he has a great command over political theory, and he is very aware of the interobjective and intersubjective causes of starvation. you might want to read his books before you decide what he knows.

Ajaaaaa sheer whunderbhaar I dindt not know i couldnt time travel

In response to the claim that famine's do not occur in representatives democracy, correlation does not equal causation.

hey does anyone know what northern himalayan country he was speaking of at the very end. or better yet where i can read about those people?

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Nepal or Tibet

All of which has raised new questions about Mr. Sen's famous thesis. In an article critical of him in The Observer of London last summer, Vandana Shiva, an ecological activist in India, wrote that while it is true that famine disappeared in India in 1947, with independence and elections, it is ''making a comeback.'' The problem, she added in an interview, ''has not yet reached the scale seen in the Horn of Africa,'' but if nothing is done, ''in three or four years India could be in the same straits.'' To Mr. Sen, though, it is not the thesis that needs revision but the popular understanding of it. Yes, famines do not occur in democracies, he said in a phone interview, but ''it would be a misapprehension to believe that democracy solves the problem of hunger.'' Mr. Sen, who is the master of Trinity College at Cambridge University, said his writings on famine frequently noted the problems India has had in feeding its people, and he was baffled by the amount of attention his comments about famine and democracy had received. The Nobel committee, in awarding its prize, did not even mention this aspect of his work, he said, adding, however, that many newspapers had seized on it and misrepresented it. www.nytimes.com/2003/03/01/arts/does-democracy-avert-famine.html?pagewanted=all

Yeah, bear in mind that he's talking spiral dynamic type "include and transend" language. World centric includes ego-centric. Ego-centric does not include world centric. If you're operating from a world-centric view, you can include ego-centric and other perspectives. Since you're including more things, then it makes world-centric a better view.

«Donde existe otro, existe el miedo». ∞ Upanishads «... Habría que subrayar que la meditación no es una técnica de descubrimiento, como sí lo es, en cambio, el psicoanálisis. El objetivo fundamental de la meditación no consiste en eliminar la barrera de la represión y permitir que aflore la sombra. Como veremos, no es que no pueda hacerlo, pero la cuestión es que puede que no lo haga. Su objetivo principal, por el contrario, es el de suspender la actividad egóico-mental y permitir el desarrollo de la consciencia transegóica o transpersonal que, a partir de un momento determinado, conducirá al descubrimiento del Testigo o del Self.» ∞ Ken Wilber

I can see from the comments here that people have a hard time taking Wilber and Integral Theory out of context... if you're interested in this sort of stuff take the time to read his 'Sex, Ecology, Spirituality'

Amartya Sen, the Indian scholar, won the Nobel prise in 1998 for discovering that famines do not occur in democracies. check it.

"Famines occur only in countries that don't have representative democracies." That sounds like sloppy logic. What is the equation? More representative = less hunger? India has representaion and also hunger. Monaco is a monarchy, but no hunger. Rather I would write the equation, less government = less hunger, regardless of what form the less comes from. Since reduction of government requires a giving up of the collective ego, then everything else he said would follow.

@rajaquest You're not demonstrating confidence in the whole point of this video: multiple perspectives are ultimately superior to any single perspective, even if they make you personally uncomfortable.

Probably Tibet or Buthan.

Very true, however this is NOT how most people experience things, nor is it how most people see things when looking at others. You're talking from a very specific non-dual state, which is fine, but be aware that that state is not the whole truth, you must include both sides of the coin, don't say tails is false because I've seen heads.