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Justin Jefferson deal fallout: Tyreek Hill, Miami Dolphins | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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The Chiefs are laughing. You get what you trade for.
@Gray_Bush
28 күн бұрын
Ummm, Tyreek has been pretty amazing for 2 seasons in Miami. Solid take. 😂
@sandrobrown8228
27 күн бұрын
Clark Hunt screwed Stephen Ross over .
Dolphins are going to be an interesting team to watch over the next year. They already had to let some other studs go like Wilkins because they couldn’t afford him. Now they’re paying 2 receivers so much money and Tyreek is going to ask for more, and Tua’s gonna want an extension. I just dont know how they’re going to keep this team together.
@bourbontrail565
Ай бұрын
Wait until you see how much the Bangles pay for 2 receivers.
@brandonvandine1695
Ай бұрын
Will be a bad year
@EASportzzzz
Ай бұрын
Armstead is getting old. Ramsey is getting old. Tyreek is over 30 now. They also lost rob hunt from the OL. They have this 1 year imo to go on a run. Bc their window is closing very very fast.
@KiNqJoKeRx
Ай бұрын
@@EASportzzzzno it’s not Lmfaoo the way these contracts are structured are remarkable. They just drafted so solid you gotta let guys walk it’s the way it works. They’re fine for years to come.
@EASportzzzz
Ай бұрын
@@KiNqJoKeRx “they will be fine for years to come” lil bro is saying this about MIA🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 tyreek carries tua. If tyreek slows down due to injuries, the whole MIA offense slows down. It’s happened both seasons under McDaniel now. But sure, they’re “going to be good for years to come “
Yes, you covered this 6 times yesterday
To even have a thought that someone is losing because they only got 40 million a year , is ludicrous
Didn’t Tyreek say he’s playing out this contract and retiring?
this is starting to turn into a bidding war for who can be the highest paid WR....and these two push the agenda
@DUBHEAD-cd8ee
Ай бұрын
It makes for good content
@5.7.0bassin2
29 күн бұрын
Yup it’s getting harder to watch nfl no one cares about the team or even winning superbowls anymore it’s how much you gunna give me
@psychoticdropshots4165
28 күн бұрын
@@5.7.0bassin2 facts
They don't have to do anything with Tyreek Hill. Put up a chart of those receivers and their ages.
So in the future ALL WR and QB contacts can pay 4-5 year contracts are only really good for 2 years. Stop it someone….
@georgewoolf6300
Ай бұрын
Miami made this happen because they back loaded Hill's contract with a 45 mil last year, which they don't want to pay. Hill wants to be paid top WR money, that's the only reason he's in Miami to begin with... so Miami will either pay Hill top WR money in a new contract, or he's in his final year there because they can't afford the 45 mil a year in his current contract. They could trade him this year, like KC did, but Miami's not smart enough for that type of move.
@buddysteele7624
Ай бұрын
@@georgewoolf6300well I don’t think it’s accurate or your place to say that that’s the ONLY reason he’s in Miami in the first place
@MrBezl
Ай бұрын
The owners can cancel a 4 year deal after 2 years and are billionaires. 🤷♂️
@bourbontrail565
Ай бұрын
@georgewoolf6300 T.Hill has 3 years left on his contract.
@bourbontrail565
Ай бұрын
@MrBezi if a 4 year contract is cancelled and the player only plays 2 years. The whole 4 year contract is still held against the Teams Cap Space for 4 years. Owners are Billionaires because most don’t do bad business.
You know why Florio is doing this story? Hill's agent is calling in a favor. Yep, if you didn't know, this is how it works between these sports media guys with insiders, they get tid bits of info in exchange for creating media narratives or doing "stories" like this that benefit the agents clients.
Don’t pay Hill!! Save the money for Tua!!!!! - Bills Mafia
@rzawistowski33
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 Say wtf is a Bill anyway?
@Hairulcomback
Ай бұрын
Mafia😂
Nobody thinks Tua is worth 50
@rpiazza72
Ай бұрын
I’m just wondering how many nobodies are out there😂
@Gray_Bush
28 күн бұрын
He's going to get Goff money.
Gotta stop talking about player money/contracts...imagine this at your workplace!
He signed the deal live with it. That’s what everyone else in the world has to do. I guess all these guys should sign 1 year deals?
@PD-qu8dq
Ай бұрын
Russel Wilson signed a contract and the broncos dropped him
Make him honor deal. There are 3 years left. He took his money, now play for it. I wouldn't add more to guys everytime someone new signs a deal. He is also 30, most of the new deals are for guys that are 24, 25.
@PD-qu8dq
Ай бұрын
That’s why deserves the new deal. He has stayed the best wide receiver the last 2 years
I am a life long Dolphin Fan from NJ. 45% of the fan base hates Tua 45% think he is flawless and no one can say anything bad about him. There there are the 10% of us that see him for what he is a solid NFL starter. I am a fan i am happy for the kid that he proved the haters wrong that he is trash. But he also is not elite and does not deserve elite money. Could he improve this year and earn a big contract. Sure and i would be happy if he did. But if its more of the same i dont want to pay $50 plus.
@ryanthompson8127
Ай бұрын
The Tua lovers would call you a hater.
@rjjjr8225
Ай бұрын
@@ryanthompson8127 they would and I'm no.t I want the young man to ball out and win us a Superbowl. Then go ahead pay him $50 mil. But right now he's not worth that yet
The two clowns are back. As a dolphins fans i am here for it.😂😂😂😂
That’s why when teams play Miami, they contain Hill/waddle, we all know Tua alone ain’t beating you
Payment ain’t happening. Man’s got too many off the field mishaps over the last season. His leadership and presence on the field is never a doubt.
This is like the Bengals' "problem." Two receivers and a quarterback to pay. They each have one piece done.
Media machine in full swing.
dolphins will give hill more money. he is the best weapon on offense and is a big reason why tua has ascendant
@bourbontrail565
Ай бұрын
Absolutely 💯
@OhioVworld
Ай бұрын
I don’t mind for this coming yr if they have a few Mill to spare, but no way you give a 30 yr old speed guy millions more as he gets older and older, that’s insane.
@ZiggyZou
Ай бұрын
Best weapon in the nfl that hasn’t watched his former team to win 2 more super bowls without him lmao Tyreek won’t win anything in mjami
@truthseekerchris8766
Ай бұрын
Them trading tyreek they was able to draft McDuffie pay Jones and build that defense that defense been awesome since hill left even better they probably wouldn't had the money to keep jones and add pieces to the defense that defense hold ravens to 10 points@@ZiggyZou
@PD-qu8dq
Ай бұрын
@@OhioVworldit would only be a short deal but he has Been the top receiver or top 2 these past 2-3 seasons
These two are always so optimistic about the Dolphins organization with their takes.
Why is Kyler Murray, an average QB at best and not SB gifted, in at 46.1 million? That is incomprehensible.
Love seeing this. The Dolphins lost a lot of their studs this offseason too.
I think Fugazi is Florio’s favorite word. Used in a sentence, “Lamar Jackson’s, Dak Prescott’s and Kirk Cousins’ ability to win in January is Fugazi.” Johnny Depp and Lefty would be proud.
@jenniferaceste8823
Ай бұрын
Leave Johnny Depp out of this.
WTF, Chris. Tua had the most air-yards and 3rd highest air-yards per attempt in 2023 (100+ attempts)…
@misinfluence
Ай бұрын
Please give a 6’0 immobile QB 250 million, I beg
@jwill294
Ай бұрын
@@misinfluencenot saying pay Tua, but Chris out here giving out blatantly false information.
@altortugas5979
Ай бұрын
@jwill294, exactly. The Dolphins will pay him what they think he’s worth, and he’ll accept it or not. I’m almost more annoyed, though, that Florio let him get away with it. If he really believes everyone in the NFL reads PFT, he should care more about blatantly false narratives. The lawyer in him should consider it slander.
Tyreek Hill, Derek Henry, Lamar Jackson 😮
The real winner in the T. Hill drama is Kansas city . They popped the champagne at soon as they traded him. Miami is screwed . That team will look a lot different in 2025. Tua may find himself with a new employer .
These guys really hate Tua
Damn right he's getting under rated!!!!wow imagine that best wr in the nfl is now under rated
Tua's value is based upon the McDaniel offense coupled w/ those two recivers Put Tua in another system, & he will struggle
@bourbontrail565
Ай бұрын
Absolutely 💯
@antonerika3665
Ай бұрын
Facts !!!
@Alawishous
Ай бұрын
So Delusional & Clueless as Long as Tua has a sound Offensive Coordinator He will thrive you Block Heads will see that Josh Allen & Justin Herbert will struggle now they don't have Elite Wrs!
"Tyreek, you're already making great money. We've got other plyrs to pay. C u lader homie..."
All new NFL contracts like that
The dolphins drafted a good LT in Patrick Paul to mitigate the T. Armstread situation this year or next… Im just glad the dolphins aren’t signing him to an extension without playoff wins
I have to laugh when people balk at paying Tua top dollar, yet somehow the Joe Burrow contract was a non-issue. Even after not starting his entire rookie season, Tua has started one fewer game, and his QB rating is almost identical.
@WKRPwpig
28 күн бұрын
Burrow has proven himself. There is arguably no better player in the league, other than Mahomes.
@Gray_Bush
28 күн бұрын
@@WKRPwpig He's definitely proven he can't stay healthy, unfortunately. One good playoff run doesn't earn you a crown. Really, Mahomes is the ONLY QB that has proven anything. Everyone else is trying to catch up
Your right Mike something is wrong with this picture, whats with the lighting.
I bet kc happy this is not there problem every 2 years
Tua fever dream, that's poetry!
Please Miami! Pay Tua, not Tyreek!! From a Jet fan.
@DanaBentley-cp5ot
Ай бұрын
As a Bills fan, I whole heartedly agree. Give Tua a long term 5 plus year contract. He's clearly Miami's franchise QB😆
@antonerika3665
Ай бұрын
Nope keep Tyreek send Tua to the Jets!
You are talking about if Tua goes 1 & done to can him,yet Dak has done that multiple times and yet the Cowboy's keep paying him like he's elite. It is very entertaining for all the non-Cowboy fans 🤣
Glass Joe Burrow fleecing the Bengals 😂😂
🙏🏼tyreek the Ravens will treat you better
Before u run ur mouths y don't u look at time to throw last year. I don't give a shit who ur receivers are if u don't have protection
tua the biggest stat padder of a qb solely because they count yac into his passing yards.
I’m a minor Tua fan even though I root for the Bills. Tua gets a bad rap although even I will admit his arm strength is pretty sub-par for a modern-day NFL quarterback. But I think, if you do comps, and take a whole bunch of things into consideration, Tua is worth around 40-mil per. I’m discounting his salary based upon height, injuries, and lack of arm strength. I’m just throwing out a number but it feels about right to me. Now of course Tua probably wouldn’t take it but in some Alternate Universe if the Dolphins made an offer like that I think Tua should begrudgingly take it. (I’ve written before but he does have a World-Class release, he’s remarkably accurate on short-to-intermediate routes, and his numbers are usually very good. Those traits must be considered too.)
With the 5th pick in the 2020 NFL draft the miami dolphins will regret drafting Tua Tagovailoa, weak arm injury prone quarterback from Alabama 🏥🏟🚌💨🏈🥋🧔🏾🗑🚮👀💯💯🙄😒
Its a WR arms race now.
They need to sign Taysome Hill.
I don’t think there will be any more decent QBs below 50 anymore.
There's ten WRs I'd rather have on my team than him !!!
Simms criticizing any qb is crazy to me. He really stunk as a qb in the league. He was a 3rd string practice squad player who only started because of his dad. At least be a decent qb before you dog a qb who is a thousand times better than simms could ever be in his dreams
What are the biggest reasons teams like this lose is they overpay people who are already on under contract he signed the contract let him play it out
I thought last year Tua told Ryan Clark to mind his own business and that his lineage was the reason his body was the built the way it was ???? But it's different this year. Gotcha
These pundits say for weeks to pay Justin Jeffferson because the longer you wait the more expensive he gets. Well, isn't that what the Dophins did with Tyreek, paid him early? Now you bustin' Miami's chops because receivers months later gettin' bigger payday than him! The highest paid guy is only the highest paid guy until the next highest paid guy! 🤣
@bourbontrail565
Ай бұрын
There are multiple teams sweating to get their star receivers to the table today. What’s funny is that line is like 10 receivers and if they were to get the up pay this year who says this doesn’t happen again next year.
@PD-qu8dq
Ай бұрын
1700 the last two seasons is the reason
As a bills fan I love Miami having these issues
@MrBezl
Ай бұрын
You have your own issues you should look after. Has any team been more disappointing than the bills the last 3 years?
@dylanshobbies8794
Ай бұрын
@@MrBezl pretty easy answer yeah the dolphins, last 3 years they claimed they own us and the division is theirs. Sure Buffalo has some issues this will be a harder year talent wise but will have gobs of cap space come next offseason plus with 17 the windows always open
I’ll take Chase on the deep ball but it’s close
@FlashGladd
Ай бұрын
Also if they pay Tua they are crazy imo. He is mid even with the amazing offense he is on
These guys are so confused. Waddle doesn't make any of that money until 2026. Hill will get his extension, when the year ends in 5. And Hill's market isn't Justin Jefferson. There is a 5 year age difference.
The one area where I will defend tua and trust me as a dolphin fan. I don't defend him often even though I am happy we have him as a quarterback though I don't think he's worth 50 million plus a year. The whole tua throws a four yard pass and then Tyreek takes that four yard pass all the way down for a touchdown is such an intellectually dishonest conversation to even have because it's a lie. Most of last season tua at least throughout half of the year tua was number one in deep ball accuracy and no that is not dink and dunk that is down the field. 14 yards or farther including bombs. So in that area these guys are being very dishonest now in everything else I agree with their take
Add Tyreek Hill to the Buffalo Bills
The Dolphins have a plan, clearly, just be patient
Man, you guys love to poop on Tua. "McDaniel is making him better than he is". What successful QB in the league isn't supported by an offensive mind, scheme, and supporting talent?
miami is paying everyone at the wrong time Playoff disappointment, lost key players, and now wanna pay receivers and extend a QB??
There is zero chance I would pay Tua more money than Tyreek. I don't care what the market says or other peoples norms are. Tyreek is by far the better football player and adds high value regardless of who is QB. You can't say that about Tua. Without elite skill players around him Tua is below average at this level. Tua isn't in the top 5 of his own team.
So similar to Mariota
Getting rid of Flores was the best move Miami ever made. Mediocrity was his ceiling.
@MrBezl
Ай бұрын
Your sentence is like 30% accurate. Getting rid of Flores FOR Mike McDaniels was super smart. But they have both been mediocre to this point, but I believe in McDaniels.
@bobsburgers8885
Ай бұрын
@@MrBezl If McDaniel (not McDaniels) was fired there would be a few teams competing to hire him as their head coach. Flores was fired and no one wanted him as a head coach. He is a fine position coach I guess.
@bourbontrail565
Ай бұрын
Brian Flores to the NFC South.
Cousins is no better than Tua but they never trash Kurt no matter what. They just hate Tua and the dolphins. Sad jealousy going on
The jealousy Simms has for Tua just oozes out of him everytime he speaks of him. Tua smoked Chris' career numbers with the same receiving corp that got Mac Jones cut. Everything he says about Tua was said about Chris as the reason he couldn't be a successful QB in the league, and it just kills him that it's not true about Tua. Tua and Purdy are better than the 10 guys Chris had ranked ahead of them. The hate is a bad look NFL quarterbacks kid.
AJ Brown is 26….
Please sign Tua to an extension and get rid of Tyreek.
Tua is trash. McDaniels and Hill are the keys to his success
Lmao. Tua Ranked 18th. What a joke.
@bourbontrail565
Ай бұрын
His agent says he’s worth 300 million for 5 years…….
Most of their topics should only be 8 minutes long... my GOD... "We don't got that..." Sims morphs into the adult voice in a Peanuts cartoon after 30 seconds.
I can't believe that all these guys make more money than mahomes. And haven't even seen a championship
Oh look, it's Florio trying to spend another teams money again! Bro is weird...the only commentator who consistently tells players under contract that theyre getting screwed. At least it's not a Chiefs player this time.
Except the Dolphins scare nobody but low tier teams
I was somewhat agreeing with what you guys were saying until Chris became unhinged with the hating saying that Tua throws a 4 yard pass and WR takes it 75 yards when Tua led the NFL in air yards. So you are just blatantly lying. Shit is sad Tua had a good year last year not great but good the TEAM fell apart towards the end and we’re really forgetting that Tyreek dropped crucial TDs in every single game big game that Tua caught all the heat for why is it that there isn’t any criticism for Tyreek? At some point we have to hold Tyreek to same standard as Tua because you guys proclaimed Tyreek is the best player on the team so he should be making those plays!! But yet everyday you sit up here slander Tua that why people are on your head so much because you all the blame/criticism you all put Tua when it clearly isn’t just his fault but cry victim when Dolphins fans correct you 😂😂
Tua > Sims
Simms completely exposed himself here as nothing more then a mouth piece lacking knowledge with the "4 yard pass turns into 70 yard TD" argument.. Tua throws the ball downfield more then anyone and has better stats then anyone when targeting recievers downfield..
Too much gambling revenue flowing into fake football imo😏
If I were Tua I would look for a $100M signing bonus, you made a lot more than your rookie contact, fake money and all that I would not care. You bring in some guy older than 35 you are on a 1 or 2 years and a guaranteed bust. I think Tua is significantly better than Watson and I would be willing to bet Tua beats Watson by 5-10 spots passing, you take availability into consideration Watson barely gets into the top 20. I bet you could trade Tua for Watson straight up next year, even without a contract. You give Tua receivers and a line he is better than anyone below 15 on the passing list.
There gonna keep this team together look at simms he hates miami so much he loves this shit tyreek will either play or he can pay more than what he got in fines and get traded lol he doesn't have a no trade Claus in his contract.if he bitches trade him for a shit load of draft picks and move on
Tua is the worst qb anyways might as well trade him since your okay with being mediocre
All the FD NFL DK owners need to remember their athletes make their organizations valuable. OwnIers should take a pay cut.
@OhioVworld
Ай бұрын
Shiz, dik run this world, not kitty. They can cut all these dudes and replace them and the NFL keeps rolling folks.
Top paid WRs do not win super bowls!!!! Stop giving them so much money!!!!
Tua 18th QB?? Come on Simms can you go one day without your hatorade? Can’t wait to hear you admit you were wrong. Oh wait that will never happen. Flores was an idiot onward and upward.
In the year Tyreek Hill was drafted Grier drafted WR CARUSO who is no longer with the team. In the 20 years Grier had been with the Dolphins, they have failed miserably and drafted the worse in the NFL. They passed up on Erin Rigers and chose Ronnie Brown 11:01 #2 A goofy mistake. Grier was on the draft team. They chose Philip Merlin when CANE CALAIS CAMPBELL was available. Ross is losing his money wild and may never celebrate a SUPERBOWL. I feel sorry for Ross who is a good Owner. Look across town at the cheap ass marlins. Where players get experience to go somewhere else. Marlins are a grapefruit league joke. They tipped off the gullible local Miami politicians with ties to Cuba! A tax payer rip off of the Orange Bowl. Review every year of Dolphin’s drafts and look for value. Look at how many ex dolphins have made another Team’s Super Bowl! Disgusting.
Tua isnt worth the huge money in comparison to Hill so hes going to have to be a team player and tske a discount deal. Wanna win or make big bucks or hopefully both?
@AreolaGrande94
Ай бұрын
the dude had 3 concussions in the span of a month. football careers are short. also, they can't beat good teams or anyone in cold weather. they're not winning anyway go money no brainer.
Before Tua was hurt in College, both of you thought he was the second coming! Why you both have such hate for this man I will never understand. He played all 17 games last year, something he had to do by your standards. How many other starting QB's did that last season??? Talk about them like this.
@JohnClarkW
Ай бұрын
Tua needs to change the narrative about how he plays against winning teams, and in the cold. His career record against winning teams is 7-14, but only 1-6 last year. 410/683 = 60% 4,727 yards = 225 a game 28 TD = 1.33 a game 18 INT= 0.86 a game 84.3 passer rating
TJ Watt is the most valuable player in the nfl his team doesn’t win games if he doesn’t play there may not be another non qb or wr as those are easier now with the rules, who have that same effect playing
Tua led the league in AIR YARDS. He’s not racking them up with 4 yard throws. This slander is why Tuanon exists
Grier is in way over his head. He knows how to waste Ross’s money with poor drafts and high end free agents who Dolphins had opportunity to draft but Grier chose Caruso who is not even with the team anymore! A fool and his money is soon parted.