Eric doesn’t like that fact that he admires James. So he wants James to change to be more palatable to Eric’s liking. But he secretly wishes he had the balls to do what James does, in the way he does it, but cannot stomach being rejected by all his peers.

@solcetor

4 жыл бұрын

hi james

@Dilmahkana

4 жыл бұрын

Eric wants everybody to pay attention to Veritas, that's his goal. Why aren't more people paying attention to Veritas? Partly due to the guerilla tactics, voyeurism and grey area of ethics which is confronting and discomforting, and partly due to the media tactics of belittling PV and diverting attention. I would put it out there that currently only a select number of people can and do get immersed in PV, people with a certain disposition for conspiracies (not in the tinfoil hat way), a contempt for the media and lefties and the right attitude to 'win at any cost'. To me, the method can be changed with the intention and results remaining the same, so why not do it?

@Heyemeyohsts

4 жыл бұрын

Dgkana I don’t think it will work. If James was any nicer, there would be no impact, and he becomes irrelevant

@Kentucky_Blue

4 жыл бұрын

Heyemeyohsts I feel this is a pretty good summation.

@boazblake232

4 жыл бұрын

Heyemeyohsts perfectly encapsulates Eric

Eric is one of my favorite intellectuals and I try to deeply listen to everything he has to say. This episode is the first time out of all of the videos I have seen of Eric speaking (I've probably seen 99% of them) that I not only disagreed with him, but felt that he was not making a clear point, not giving sound alternatives, and was acting cocky in a way that was not good. I really hope this is a one-off because I dont want to see another 2 hour video of him telling someone his method is wrong, but not giving any valid alternatives to the method that could produce similar results. I just wish James would have said something along the lines of, "On these three example videos of mine, how would you, Eric, have 1) attained this info without a candid camera and 2) given the info to the public in a way you see fit?". All we heard was "stop doing what you are doing, but continue to give us groundbreaking material", but no alternative that would give similar intel and credibility.

@Mike-rp6lb

4 жыл бұрын

I think Eric just has cognitive dissonance. He has a belief that he and his circle are the even handed adults in the room, so he can't say he/they dismiss James because they "hate his politics" or "his presentation is campy" or "they think he is a light weight" or "he is not pedigreed" or "the MSM is ok" so he has to suss out a nuanced objection to the "method", which (being illogical) James aptly handles which makes Eric irritated (classic cognitive dissonance).

@marcoa.5371

4 жыл бұрын

I am quite fond of Eric too and believe he did attempt to have a genuine conversation. I think O'Keefe also noticed that and was trying his best to understand and integrate Eric's criticism, though I do not necessarily understand the reason for nor agree with this criticism. I feel that they spent most of the time talking past each other and much of that I do blame on Eric, since he is the proponent of the critic. The three points you mentioned should have been Eric's responsibility to deliver, not O'Keefe's to raise. That attitude may be why I felt a little disheartened with the interview like you did.

@samlowrey63

4 жыл бұрын

.....and when he runs into his own walls of logic, instead of first examining his own premises, he says, "this is all extremely complicated".

@TPTnny

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Willis Did you listen to Erics very strong perspective? It seems like you miss the fundamental argument or problem just like James. James weaseled away from the deeper side of the pool because he knows better than to get deeper than his ability.

@stormthepitbull

4 жыл бұрын

This is a VERY revealing interview Eric is very open in his thought processes and plays this interview like a pissed Dungeon Master that don't like the new rules in 5ed. Am I alone in seeing this ? Guys ?

"James, why aren't you the way I want you to be?"

@maulor3

3 жыл бұрын

Lllooolll yess

@theetilesmith

3 жыл бұрын

James why arent you a liberal!

Eric: "You strike me as self righteous. " Eric's listeners: 🤔🤨😐😑

@Strelnikov10

4 жыл бұрын

Haha. This one gave me a chuckle.

@lydiamalone1859

3 жыл бұрын

Eric is not that self-aware.

@robertdotson1467

3 жыл бұрын

But he's missing the point!

@kentfink9509

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldnosoul4183 Eric is incredibly smug. People don't have to tell or brag that they're self righteous. They show you.

@kentfink9509

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldnosoul4183 and who gives a @#$% about your opinion good sir?

If Eric thinks as highly of his audience like he says he does i hope he reads this comment section.

@pauldabkowski2847

4 жыл бұрын

Narcissistic leftists control all of our culturally-influential institutions. Eric has had more success than most with getting their ideological base to listen to reason. While most commenters here seem to want to continue trying the vinegar that has not worked thus far, Eric is not too proud to try the honey. Like Jordan Peterson says, the aim is not to win the game but to play it in such a way that you are included in more games in the future.

@andrewfurusawa4609

4 жыл бұрын

I like to interpret "audience" as the people who earnestly and honestly engage in the conversation and actually follows his topics/discussions instead of the alt-right types that wander through here to try to sound smart then leave.

@TheJeremyKentBGross

4 жыл бұрын

@@pauldabkowski2847 What if the game itself is poisonous?

@TheJeremyKentBGross

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewfurusawa4609 How do you know which is which?

@stoempert

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewfurusawa4609 So if you listen to the whole thing, are disappointed in Eric and express that in a comment you are alt-right? Weird. I gather from most (negative) comments that they have watched a lot of portal episodes, that's how i interpret audience.

Eric doesn't understand he's proving the problem: "when you put Project Veritas label on it, you lose credibility"...that's because you (Eric) are buying the hit-piece, the connotation that others put on Project Veritas...is it because you don't have the cajones to push back to those in your circle...

@bradspitt3896

4 жыл бұрын

It's the missing stair dilemma. It's everywhere.

@moonrock5324

3 жыл бұрын

@Einstein Brown you must be right then Einstein . That’s an approachable name in conversation

@pearz420

3 жыл бұрын

You seem to have tuned all of the nuance out of Eric's point.

@horsefootrot5654

3 жыл бұрын

@@pearz420 is that the point that wins landmark cases in court? Or the just the drivel that you perceive as nuance?

As a fan of Eric, this is his weakest argument to date that I've heard..

@GrumpyOldChap

4 жыл бұрын

While Eric could've given more space to O'Keefe, Eric's frustration is, I think, warranted because O'Keefe doesn't address the criticism that Eric gives him head-on, but trails off to talking about the efficacy of his methods (which Eric on multiple occasions granted him). Furthermore, O'Keefe utters provable falsehoods in the interview, for example, as he claims that Project Veritas does not edit things out of context, which certainly occurred on their part even in their ACORN endeavor (regarding e.g. the Latino guy whom they got fired). Also, in O'Keefe's earlier undertaking in which he attempted to call out Planned Parenthood he outright misrepresented the interaction he had had with a representative of PP (claiming that the aforementioned purported to want fewer black babies when the actual clip shows O'Keefe himself saying it). Like I said, Eric's frustration is warranted since O'Keefe not only refuses to respond to his criticism head-on but also lies.

@ConsciousExpression

4 жыл бұрын

@@GrumpyOldChap Yeah both of your criticisms here are why I'm very frustrated with Eric. I get that he feels he's in a completely different discussion here than the mainstream, but by ignoring the points you raise he is committing a type of malpractice on us, because it becomes our job to point these things out.

@GrumpyOldChap

4 жыл бұрын

@@ConsciousExpression I'm not sure how or why you read into my comment as a critique on Eric. I don't think Eric was necessarily guilty of conducting himself poorly, apart from overly dominating the conversation instead of humbly inquiring. I was saying that Eric's frustration with O'Keefe is merited because O'Keefe dances around the valid criticisms that Eric levels against him. Hence, I regard it as unfair to blame Eric for being biased since there's a need for holding O'Keefe to account for his demonstrable occupational misconduct.

@ConsciousExpression

4 жыл бұрын

@@GrumpyOldChap I wasn't reading that into your comment, I was talking about myself. I'm very frustrated with Eric because he almost completely failed to cover the facts you mentioned, and congratulated James for being forthcoming when he actually was utterly dishonest and defensive.

@GrumpyOldChap

4 жыл бұрын

@@ConsciousExpression I see, I see! A fair point made, I'll have to admit. Maybe there's some credit to O'Keefe's work, too, but you're correct omin asserting that Eric frames him as having more integrity than reality has proven him to have.

I've agreed with eric about everything in his podcast, until this one. He's on the wrong side of this argument... Comes across as arrogant and condescending.

@Souleman561

4 жыл бұрын

the reason you think this is 2 fold, you do not understand the fact that he wants james to not go after low hanging fruit which he has to state, restate and even tell James in several different ways in order for James to finally agree on camera with Eric , and Eric comes off as as condescending due in part that he had to re state his main arguement several times in several ways to get James to recognize the fact he really doesnt show any struggle when destroying a employee when he shoulkd be aimed at the employer in a very siimple example, thzt eric main arguement that doing these things takes away a much large audience of people who should see james work but will never see it due ot James method and apparent lack of ethics as James spends the first hour merely rebuffing Eric when Eric seem to refer back to this "phone call" they had where it seemed that James knew the point eric was making but was trying not ot acknowledge it here since it was now an interview and not a private personal call, really the point of the podcast is that Eric could of recorded the conversation they clearly had before the interview where it fully seems that James knew exactly what Eric complaints were, but now during the interview James is "struggling" to see Eric point when Eric could of presented a recording showing James fully acknowledge Eric point in a private convo but not willingly to accept this point when in a public furom thus showing James ethical conflict un the worst light as James would be no better then the guy who tried ot sue him for defamation....

@andyb2339

4 жыл бұрын

@@Souleman561 Haha, that's way too meta! I feel like Eric was just trying to get James to market his ethics more. Traditional media is all marketing no action, so James feels like he has to be the opposite. If he did a little more strategic marketing it would dramatically increase his viewership and impact. I feel like they never really connected on that point.

@disaray3575

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@Ryan-jp3mh

3 жыл бұрын

@@andyb2339 You nailed it. I enjoy Project Veritas, but there is something off-putting about the secret recordings in bars. Eric sussed it out perfectly. We can empathize with the target too much since we could just as easily get drunk and talk nonsense. But if PV spent a little time showing how their ethics prohibit that, then now I take myself out of the mental equation.

@horsefootrot5654

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-jp3mh is that you Charlie Chester? How's the job hunting going?

Eric is missing the fact that you can't use chess rules when the teacher has placed you on a candyland board. The way James is making the most difference is by fracturing not only the narrative, but the means of the message. He is tearing people away from believing that ABC, for example, is credible at all. You dont put that message on ABC.

@jumpingeezus5080

4 жыл бұрын

Adrian Fort Where do you put it then?

@andrewgraves9636

4 жыл бұрын

Adrian Fort what do you mean about chess board??

@bgilley8199

4 жыл бұрын

But he's even less trustworthy than ABC, and he deliberately twists facts and context to suit his purposes, just like ABC.

@thenneedd

4 жыл бұрын

Eric needs to hold the folks and colleagues "in his circles" to a higher standard of analysis.

@adrianfortmoviereviewsbook9821

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewgraves9636 Eric wants sophistication. CNN, ABC, etc. want their narrative instead. Which is run by simple rules to make things seemingly easy.

I think Eric is needlessly hostile in this interview. I haven’t followed Project Veritas very closely so perhaps I’m missing something but I don’t see what is so “troubling” about this guy.

@dontaskme9047

4 жыл бұрын

It sounds worse than that to me. Eric seems to be trying his hardest to undermine Project Veritas by getting James to agree to changing their tactics to something less effective. He is purposefully deceptive in this attempt, at one point claiming that James gets pleasure from exposing his enemies. This is a trick because naturally everyone always gets some bit of pleasure from besting their adversaries, however Eric paints this as a personal fault of James with the implied lie that if he gets pleasure then it is this pleasure that drives his motivation. To be extremely blunt, and therefore inherently broad; I would say that Eric's loyalty's lay with the reporters over truth, integrity, ideology and every other foundation he stands on when he himself bemoans the institutions that these people run. He wants to protect the corrupt reporters and deflect Jame's attack onto the faceless corporate facade they hide behind. Rendering it useless. I really used to like Eric. His DISC analysis is brilliant. But I think this interview exposes him as a wolf in sheeps clothing.

@MrSesseLind

4 жыл бұрын

@@marekan1410 I concur. Do you think it's a game? I've a hard time to think Eric disagree with James.

@thedarknazo

4 жыл бұрын

both of them are really hostile, but in a polite manner, usually people who have respect for the other one, but disagree strongly on idelogy tend to discuss in this manner, both have a strong character

@TheJeremyKentBGross

4 жыл бұрын

@@dontaskme9047 I been starting to suspect the IDW as controlled opposition for some time. Doesn't mean I don't listen, but it also means trust is not super high. I mean I like Eric, he gives me a lot to think about, but for all his "lifelong outsider" schtick, the guy is still VERY well connected with VERY powerful people. For example he works for one of the largest financial institutions which, as was even mentioned in this video, was connected to the 2008 crash, and likely the dotcom bubble as well given his boss was a major player in PayPal. He's allegedly met Epstein, and a lot more. What really fucking annoys me about the information age is that what it really means is information warfare on unfathomable numbers of layers simultaneously (kayfabe in short). In a way we can't trust anybody. "But muh private company" allows complete circumvention of the 1st amendment both in practice (governments tell FB et al what to censor), and in spirit, because I very much doubt that the founding fathers imagined billionaires effectively being more powerful than governments and in control of everyone's public and private speech instead of kings or elected officials. We are basically just a new form of feudalism and imo, social media is just another arm of the establishment, even if it wasn't a direct spawn of the intelligence community which I also suspect it was/is. But in any case the resulting distrust of everything IS a weapon itself in that it has a paralyzing effect on the public, in my guess, completely by design. Veritas and Wikileaks are in my estimation the only legitimate journalism I have seen in my lifetime of roughly 40 years, which is only reinforced by the responses to them by institutions, and the tone police. But to come back to your original point, Eric very much seems to be behaving as the tone police here. These tactics, which are the same as have been used against aspects of the manosphere to limit their reach and effectiveness, is basically this: "OK, SUUUURE! You have a point! We can't win the arguments because facts are on your side, BUT: could just tone it down! Your tone and tenor negatively affects our opponents and offends their sensibilities. Couldn't you just use less effective tactics and not rock the boat? We don't want to be seen as ." Very disappointing.

@captainramius790

4 жыл бұрын

Eric is under some kind of pressure. Hes representing many different people with the message hes giving James. The game is over though. People know the media is terribly manipulative and the internet has forever changed the way people get their news. There is no going back. The people are taking back control

"You strike me as very self-righteous and insufficiently reflective" - Eric If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I'm not sure what is....

@rumination2399

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, Eric is super-arrogant but he's gentle and honest about it

@darleneperrine4662

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! So true!

@bradspitt3896

3 жыл бұрын

@@rumination2399 Would make a perfect demagogue. Or maybe not, since this demagogue lacks self awareness.

@rumination2399

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradspitt3896 I think Eric is very self-aware. I think he's just not worried about a number of people misjudging him, given the stakes and the scale of the people he's engaging. For example when he was on the Rubin Report with Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson I thought his was easily the best answer to the closing question about where each man thought his blind spots were. Ben's was really weak, I thought. But also you have to be right, a bit, too. I mean, we're all everything potentially, and he's developing that authoritative voice very loudly. And like he says, the difference between a hero and a sociopath isn't as wide as people like to imagine.

@bradspitt3896

3 жыл бұрын

@@rumination2399 If he was self-aware he'd know that arrogance/pride is irrational.

Eric's argument boils down to this: E:I respect and admire that you are willing to risk ruining your life to expose the truth but do not believe it's fair that you impose that paradigm upon the individuals you expose as they are mostly cogs in a machine not of their design which I equally detest. J: I appreciate that you acknowledge that, but by imposing their will in private forums through private means these people are eroding the public good thus effecting a public wholesale. By that standard their actions must be made public because ideas do not exist in the ether and are in actionable without the individuals to enact them. They may not choose to be in public forums but by their meddling in a public forum by private means they are relinquishing their right to privacy. E: I think that by reducing the harm to individuals you can expose and heighten the efficacy of the piece reducing harm and elevating the message. J: That sounds reasonable, but I have no method to attach accountability if not by a public exposure. E: My colleagues and friends will never acknowledge this. J: Ok.

@curtis25920

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for saving me 2 and a half hours

@jacquesvilar8992

4 жыл бұрын

Perfect encapsulation of the conversation - thank you

@Hahalol663

4 жыл бұрын

Perfect summary

@austindavis5865

3 жыл бұрын

very accurate, well done

@stevejohnson4079

3 жыл бұрын

Well done, Sir...

James seems like a reasonable guy to me. I support his crusade against the corrupt MSM. Eric knows that something drastic needs to happen in this country and his petty disagreements on this subject is just another obstacle.

I agree Eric has a chip on his shoulder toward this “guest” and, to use his own term, there are points in the conversation where he presents as both haughty and “sanctimonious.” I also wish he had interrupted and lectured less. His “irritation and anger” were palpable. His show, his platform but I thought his manner was often condescending and insulting. I thought O’Keefe was quite patient and understated in absorbing and responding to the criticisms. Now to the substance of his objection. Eric’s basic criticism of O’Keefe’s methods appears to be that he lacks ethics and integrity in how he reveals the “gotcha.” It’s naive to put forth a “purer” and presumably nobler option that the identity of a source/target should be pixilated, for example. PV is held with utter disdain and disgust by the media. If the identities were masked, how much easier then would it be for the media to attack the story by alleging it was manufactured? Harsh as it may be, the disclosure of the sources makes it much more difficult to dispute and discredit. We may not fully embrace the tactic, but I get it.

@totakad

4 жыл бұрын

Eric's point of trying to find the most effective frontier is that if you haven't yet had any pushback about the credibility of your story, you don't yet have to "decimate" the person uttering the news-worthy words as they usually are not the issue itself being exposed. you ease into the final "gotcha video", causing the criticized collateral only after your less damaging version of the story has proven to not have the desired effect. they were both banging their heads against the wall for at least the last hour of the conversation, for whatever reasons. if they could have been more concrete about some case studies and just concentrate on specific examples and how they could have been handled better from the process perspective, they could've reached the conclusion or understanding faster, but i guess maybe the heat of the moment blocked that from emerging faster. at least one interesting follow-up topic would be that as dramatic news stories tend to "run out of steam" as time passes, it might be that the cheap shots are a way of trying to minimize this effect, as there is a fear that the more safe version will lose it's appeal after a while and later on the bigger video exposé will not have the same effect as it would have being the original reference to the story. James might have started to veer into this a littttle bit, but not quite clearly and if true, then definitely not enough in detail during this conversation. maybe one way to have the cake and eat it too is to start with the more safe version of the story with an original disclaimer that the juicy video or personalized damaging details will follow up the next day or after some other period. this would still have some positive amplification effects probably from the hype caused, but then you could also now argue, that you've gotten your point across, why now after the fact drag in the unrelated person. Again, this approach might lose the original impact of the story, which might seem like too great a price for the PV journalists... come to think of it, James mentioned something that is somewhat related to this, it was something about that the effect of seeing the extra details, ie the messenger's emotions, intonation, passion or whatever greatly increases the effect on the audience about the content being delivered.

@danstar455

4 жыл бұрын

Eric is very very vague. Is he playing The Glass Bead Game???

@sevencolours5014

4 жыл бұрын

James is very patient and used to these tactics applied by Eric and even much dirtier tactics that more selfish and arrogant reporters use against James, but he is using it for what it is, getting his message out, putting it out how ever he can. This interview has a lot views and exposure, James got what he came for, even if Eric played a little dirty.

@tunnelsloth5948

4 жыл бұрын

@@sevencolours5014 I don't think Eric played dirty whatsoever. I think there was just a communication barrier, here.

@tunnelsloth5948

4 жыл бұрын

@@totakad Very good points. And agreed, the fundamental issue was the lack of concrete analysis of individual cases. But this would undoubtedly turn into a multi-hour affair if it were to be fair, neutral, and objective. O'Keefe was right to bring up that these things do need to be considered on a case-by-case basis. But as Eric said, he didn't want to go there. And I think that was the right move, here. Even dipping his toe into it would basically mean they'd have to go all the way. I think he made the right choice by trying to speak in the abstract. What would probably help O'Keefe would be more people kind of like Eric who do want to take the time to really get into the weeds with all of this. Not necessarily in the form of an in-person interview, but basically taking what Eric was saying and applying it concretely and specifically, while looking at a lot of or all of his track record.

James OKeefe was superb. I appreciated that he didn’t allow himself to be reduced to Eric’s narrative of him that he wanted James to bring himself down to. Keep that self-confidence James. This guy keeps trying to cut James down and James maintains his moral code. Loved it.

@eldenfindley186

2 жыл бұрын

James is NOT a journalist. He’s the ambulance chaser of the New Media. Project Veritas is a joke. I have one question for James: if you truly do represent truthful journalism, why don’t you release full, uncut videos like you used to? Could it possibly be because you caught so much flak in the past for misrepresenting the words of others through deceitful editing and leading questions?

@jonathanlippe

2 жыл бұрын

@@eldenfindley186 do you apply that same criticism to the Mainstream Media who fail to perform any real investigative journalism?

@eldenfindley186

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanlippe yes I despise mainstream media

@eldenfindley186

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanlippe yes

@jonathanlippe

2 жыл бұрын

@@eldenfindley186 who do you consider “a real journalist”?

I'm trying to give Eric W. a chance. Maybe he's playing devil's advocate or he truly disagrees with what James does. I must say, it's clear as day by these comments that his followers DISAGREE and so do I. What James does is necessary!

@OlympiaMarketing

4 жыл бұрын

That's why this discussion is the way it is. He doesn't want this kind of journalism to be back, or for the concept to make a come back (as we all have camera studios in our pocket now). People like Eric are playing dangerous games at the top... They don't want the public to find out.

Why is Eric so opposed to the "morality" of what James is doing? James is doing exactly what Eric wants and says needs to be done to combat the "institutions" that Eric feels have failed him and us. Eric knows the world is not perfect...that's like the point of this podcast... yet he wants this "dirty" journalism to be done as clean as possible and completely dismisses James when James says that if he did it any cleaner than it's possible less truth telling would happen. I feel like Eric wants this kind of journalism to happen .. just not to him .. or his friends

@jeupater1429

4 жыл бұрын

Eric does not get what's happening. He wants to go back to what it was like when he was young. There is no going back. It's only going to get crazier, and rolling over for, or even giving an inch to the forces that want to topple society in its entirety is not an option. They use every tactic, beyond anything accessible to the right, and Eric is over here trying to sanctify the right. Please Eric, get a fucking clue. You don't send monks into battle. Eric is the kind of guy, where if Trump hadn't been elected, he'd be right there waving the demented banners of inter-sectionalism.

@ultimamente5473

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeupater1429 No I don't think so, I think Eric definitely knows there is no going back - that's why he's interviewing people like James - and he likes aspects of what James is doing. I just feel like Eric is too afraid. It took him a year to publish the Epstein episode because he was scared. It took him years to talk about the botched lab nice that he and his brother knew about because he was scared. I feel like Eric wants to be the bully James is, he is just too afraid of the backlash that would come with it

@DensityMatrix1

4 жыл бұрын

@@ultimamente5473 Have you considered that Eric is ultimately a from of GateKeeper? He was on Rogan literally calling for revolt but then now this...? Is he a careerist and doesn't ultimately want to lose access to the Academy?

@ultimamente5473

4 жыл бұрын

@@DensityMatrix1 you know I'm not sure. And if he is Im also not sure he intends to be. But I do think Eric is very influenced by others around him, like when he mentioned Tusi Gabbard's tweets among the other things he ranted about I looked at them and they were almost word for word what he said on the podcast about politicians needing to own up to their faults and say there was a mask shortage and to make a self sacrifice for the greater good - I agree with this tweet as well, but it was obvious by how similar Eric's rant was to her tweet that he took her idea as his own, which tells me that there are probably a lot of other things that he says that aren't really his ideas, just things he heard from others and made himself think we're his own ideas to start with, so idk exactly what his reasons for going from radical to overly cautious and back and forth are, I think we'll just have to wait and see

@jeupater1429

4 жыл бұрын

@@ultimamente5473 Here's the problem, the right, unlike the left pursues moral perfection, probably because they tend to be more religious. This has caused them the lose ideological ground to the left's deceitful tactics decade after decade. The problem is, in ideological warfare, as with real warfare, you cannot send saints into battles, that's not how it works. I would define ideological warfare as the moment your collocutor has ceased to pursue a rational argument on good faith. We are way beyond that point. Yet Eric, is still pushing this nonsense that the right must be sanctimoniously perfect. Sorry but no, there's a reason jesus was nailed to a cross. Sanctimoniousness is not an adequate defense. And Eric is pushing for the same status quo that has cost the right ideological ground decade after decade.

James O’Keefe is doing what must be done. The lies we live under are miles high and need to collapse.

@JerseySlayer

4 жыл бұрын

shofforth1 agreed. Could he do it better? Maybe. But he's 35 years old. When he started this, he did some goofy shit. You can tell he's trying to mix a bunch of things.. real meaningful work, interesting cotent, and he's somewhat conflicted. There is no blueprint for how to do this in today's hostile media climate or with today's technology.

@sylvanbear7125

4 жыл бұрын

@@JerseySlayer And Eric is in his 50s? I suspect that he is tempered himself somewhat in the last twenty years. _Andere Zeiten, andere Sitten_ .

@wabbittv8923

4 жыл бұрын

@John Frylock Please explain. I didn't know much about O'Keefe before but I have a favorable impression after watching this interview. Could you please elaborate on the nature of his "lies" and "scams"? And also what is his political agenda?

@spikeontheroad2560

4 жыл бұрын

Someone, maybe not O'Keeffe, needs to find a way to bring down legacy media. Becoming a target that is easily dismissed because of tactics may not be the way.

@lwrcica5

4 жыл бұрын

@John Frylock Exposing the media / political people via video with their own words & thoughts is 'lying and scamming to push a political and ideological agenda'. K

Eric's ego is such a turn off. If you're going invite someone on to the podcast to have a conversation then at least have the pretense that you care about what they have to say. Constantly cutting Okeef off and saying I pretty much get what you're saying so lets just move on to this topic of conversation because I think it matters more is supremely off-putting and "deceptive".

@melanieandrejczak5279

4 жыл бұрын

Tu N, that was my interpretation early on. Weinstein was condescending, interrupting, and not really listening to Eric much at all. 🧐

@posivibez2094

4 жыл бұрын

Agree 100% so condescending and patronising. Eric has got to turn the self satisfaction down like 5 notches or he's gonna end up being super unlikeable.

@greatness8248

3 жыл бұрын

He acted like a loser

“You’re not effectively persuading people, James” ~ Eric while not effectively persuading James

@LawrenceAugust_

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldnosoul4183 Time stamps?

@LawrenceAugust_

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldnosoul4183 Is that being persuaded? lol, okay… now I understand the type of brain I’m dealing with. O’Keefe was not persuaded whatsoever in his approach or journalistic philosophy by Weinstein during this interview.

@LawrenceAugust_

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldnosoul4183 My god, even in the link you decided to share, James completely pushes back at Eric. You’re bad at this.

@LawrenceAugust_

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldnosoul4183 LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE WORD HE SAID AFTER "yes"

@LawrenceAugust_

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldnosoul4183 And yet he hasn't changed a single thing in his approach. So... NOT persuaded. This isn't hard. Sorry.

Eric's emotions got the best of him here. The arrogance is disturbing.

@JohnSmith-gp9ut

4 жыл бұрын

I was shocked at how arrogant he was in this one. Horribly off putting.

@GiuseppeM

4 жыл бұрын

Unwatchable, the whole thing sounds like an attorney coaching his client.

@janu2997

4 жыл бұрын

I mean he is an academic with a high verbal IQ. To be expected. Never liked the guy ever since he wormed his way into the "intellectual dark web", to become somewhat prominent on the coattails of his brothers' accidental involvement in a PC scandal. They're both bloody annoying.

@FelloniousMonk22

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, I didnt get that at all. O'Keefe has a swarm of bees around him, and I think Eric was just kind of antagonizing him over the fact that he could do the same job without attracting unneeded negative attention

@Lugrer3113

4 жыл бұрын

@@FelloniousMonk22 No he couldn't, and Eric didn't present a valid and defendable argument on how to do so.

David, have you ever thought you’re being unfair to Goliath? I mean the way you’re throwing stones, it’s unfair to Goliath. You need to fight him sword in hand like a professional. I’m sorry I just can’t back someone that fights dirty like that. Maybe you shouldn’t provoke Goliath as much either. People are finding it hard to trust you David...

@DrLimbic

4 жыл бұрын

My feelings exactly. One proviso: Eric tries to protect the people that are employed to feed Goliath. And David doesn't kill them- just their credibility as Goliath-feeders. "Goliath feeders hate Goliath", shoufs O'Keef while Weinstein tells him to not be so loud and instead attack the Goliath (which no one can afford to because Goliath is too big to fall).

@letsgosean

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Doe brilliant 👏🏼

@tunnelsloth5948

4 жыл бұрын

Eric's point is more like: David, why not throw stones at Goliath, instead? Why do you have to be spanking his ass and tickling his balls?

@simulatedentropy5768

4 жыл бұрын

Bingo.

@simulatedentropy5768

4 жыл бұрын

@@tunnelsloth5948 what's wrong with you degenerates?

For being such a smart guy Eric seemed completely blinded by a condescending unwillingness to discuss nuance here, fascinating

I’ve been following Okeefe for years and he deserves Pulitzer and Nobel Prize. Awesome person

@newvocabulary

4 жыл бұрын

At this point I respect James much more than either the Pulitzer or Nobel prize committees.

@moonrock5324

3 жыл бұрын

@Einstein Brown Project Veritas has released unedited footage of plenty of their massive stories. You can watch all the unedited video from the ACORN piece. Look to today and they have posted unedited video of a whistleblower being interrogated by feds. I really want you to tell me that all media has to be put out unedited... it can’t... and ruining lives ? Hardly, people that work in CNN NBC etc. are extremely well equipped to find a high paying job if they lose one; they all get swapped around anyway. And if someone in media loses their job and can’t find another, it is most likely because they were just a stooge following orders from corrupted individuals, in my opinion, why should someone even get paid serious dollars to be doing something highly unethical ?

@Nick-yv1wy

3 жыл бұрын

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@MarillSweatshirt

3 жыл бұрын

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@user-sm4fp2jo1o

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nick-yv1wy Pathetic.

The cognitive dissonance of Eric's friends and their inability to deal with it is not James responsibility to fix. Eric also seems to do a lot of "mind reading" a la the Scott Adams definition throughout the conversation. How does Eric know what the inner struggles and ethics debates have been for Mr. O'Keefe?

@easternwind4435

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think there's a problem with the struggle but rather with the presentation

@BASEDinMaine

4 жыл бұрын

I found his agitation goofy in this one

@dturtles33

4 жыл бұрын

I am similarly shocked. He keeps putting his friends' progressive opinions over the truth. You can't tell the truth because it offends one side? I'm surprised he's saying this.

@keithwilliams8342

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Not a great performance. Like many "intellectuals", eric doesnt listens but instead interrupts, insults, accuses, assumes, and maligns.

@dolganthecute

4 жыл бұрын

I get that it's not James problem that Erics friends don't get it and that in this soundbite age, gotcha/click bait/oh snap moments are important to gain a following. I think Eric wants James to step out of the red/blue paradigm and go to the next "level", so that the important work he does can't be so easily refused. Last few seconds of their interaction felt like they snapped back into the PR role. It felt strange after a very good discussion and I think It could be argued that it was a great moment as well.

Used to think I was clever for spotting the camera in Eric's hair, until I realized I was *supposed* to notice the camera and the hair is that way to draw your eye to it.

@Some1.2ear

4 жыл бұрын

No need for fancy mechanical art here

@jordanchiaruttiniREALTOR

4 жыл бұрын

hahahahahahahha

@nathanlovesspaceships9742

4 жыл бұрын

Saw a painting in Manhattan like that once.

@666DemonCleaner

4 жыл бұрын

*touches nose*

@gustavsvensson4025

4 жыл бұрын

Comical Gold! Thank you sirs!

Eric, it’s not that complex. Just do the right thing like James.

@tr3624

4 жыл бұрын

He does...that’s why Eric is having a hard time with it. The people who hold stamp his most cherished ideas, are being exposed as frauds. That’s painful for anyone. Eric just thinks he can find the intellectual way out of the pain of discovering his denial...

@dennisaskeland4250

3 жыл бұрын

KZread Timbah on toast project veritas to see all of his lies

@Kentucky_Blue

3 жыл бұрын

@@tr3624 This is an outstanding observation.

@JoshuaHole99

2 жыл бұрын

James has a good moral landscape.

I hope Eric still thinks highly of his listeners after reading these comments.

@bradspitt3896

4 жыл бұрын

@@alfredo1valenzuela Dunno. I never really liked him, I just like his guests. He's an idiot stuck in an incoherent, manipulative zeitgeist. That is, that whenever he's wrong or feels wrong he says, "well nuance", and exploits uncertainty because we're dealing with metaphysics (is deception ethical), which means he wants to withhold judgement on the issue. The problem is he demands you don't withhold your actions and just do what he wants.

@paulwillisorg

4 жыл бұрын

Why do you care? The commenters are right.

@bradspitt3896

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulwillisorg I don't think you read my comment right.

@TheAlibabatree

4 жыл бұрын

@@bradspitt3896 Calling Eric Weinstein an "idiot" is truly absurd. I hope you were being hyperbolic.

@L0rd0fTh3N3rdz

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheAlibabatree he wasnt and he is. Eric has done nothing but make rich weirdos richer and for all of his sanctimony he has no moral or ethical leg to stand on.

"We had pictures, we had everything. It was unbelievable, we had Clinton, we had everything", remember those words.

@Toroidalzpe

4 жыл бұрын

the palace

@grayrob1075

4 жыл бұрын

@Jakob J Time stamp?

@AcidicMentality

4 жыл бұрын

@@grayrob1075 The quote is from that leaked video of the news reporter Amy Rohrbach stating she was told to bury the Epstein story.

@Shortana

4 жыл бұрын

@Neil Mo books are only read by those who are genuinely interested. Television however is where news really matters and that's exactly where deception flourishes. The masses who like junk food also like their news spoon fed.

@Shortana

4 жыл бұрын

@rockster10101 I agree, I wanted to simplify my point which is that there are people who want to think for themselves and actively search for the truth and people who don't have that urge and just believe whatever the media throws out.

James was so patient and polite; maybe even to a fault. Eric's pomposity shines clear the more I listen to him. The constant, 'you're not getting it' and 'I can make this point for you even better than you can' before they even finish their sentence.. VERY difficult to listen to. His demeanor around certain guests creates a vibe of 'I'm the teacher, you are the student' particularly with anyone younger than him, it seems. Also, he is concerned about the individuals who are being recorded having their lives ruined.. As someone who keeps an eye on PV content, I could give a flying fuck about the name of the person in the video; I'm not going to scurry over to their personal Twitter page and harass that individual. The average viewer doesn't care about the individual on camera.. They care about the information as it relates to whatever organization it is that they are associated with. Legacy media is probably the most dangerous institution in our country. You don't bring them to their knees without a little bit of dirty work and varying levels of 'collateral damage'. The consequences of THEIR lies are MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH costlier than the consequences of PV filming a couple people without their knowledge. Legacy media lies us into wars where millions of people are killed or displaced. PV films people without their consent and maybe gets an individual here and there doxxed or harassed a bit on Twitter. BIG DEAL. This isn't as complicated as Eric is trying to make it out to be.

@amk1689

4 жыл бұрын

Brock Nelson I’ve done jobs that were completely legit that I thought were morally repugnant (working on legal cases), and if someone had got me fired from one of them, morally speaking, it would be no harm no foul. We all make a choice to what degree we are willing to sell out, these people are not victims

@wendyw4487

4 жыл бұрын

the most perfect example of left right paradigm that you will ever see/hear..............maybe eric's alarm clock will go off sooner than later...................

@andyb2339

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like they legitimately missed each other in the argument. Eric wants James to show that he's not a sociopath so people take his important message more seriously. Brock Nelson I think you are one perfectly legitimate audience who doesn't care about the collateral damage, but there is another legitimate audience that does. I feel like James needs a marketing team to round off his sharp edges so he doesn't cut us soft folks.

@johann23

4 жыл бұрын

@@andyb2339 Yep. This is the real point of Eric's argument and he obviously felt strongly enough about James to use tactics like arrogance, pomposity, paternalism, and other power-invoking phrases/postures to get James to see that.

@martincoons823

3 жыл бұрын

Well-stated exactly

"I can make your point better for you, so let me do it." Well, obviously you can't. Eric seems like the guy who has been sitting around in a room sniffing his own fart jokes far too long.

@Galdring

4 жыл бұрын

Lol... I completely agree with you, but don't judge Eric on this alone; maybe you aren't. He's at times arrogant, and he overestimates the depth of his insights relative to his guests', but he _is_ very insightful, has a very unusual and creative perspective, and he tends to mean well. I think he's a relative sensitive guy, so if he keeps getting pushback on his interruptions and condescendance, I believe he will adapt. And the community all seems to agree that Eric has these problems! That's a sign of fitness. Eric isn't revered as a Guru, and this isn't an echo chamber.

@MyCrispLettuce

4 жыл бұрын

@@Galdring I don't hold any bad feelings towards him! I just see a consistent theme in his approach to conversation and at some point it needs to be addressed

@andyb2339

4 жыл бұрын

@@MyCrispLettuce Love your avatar.

Credit to James for acting professional, Eric was pretty silly in this one

@Laremy

Жыл бұрын

Nearly unwatchable, holy shit. So rude too

@williamrobinson8151

Жыл бұрын

I love the guy i really do but sometimes..... Thats why he is great.

Eric's arrogance is what made James in control of this interview. James was very well composed while Eric had hard time realizing it was not Joe Rogan on the opposite side. Eric's ego is just unbearable......BTW, I like Joe Rogan.

@TopherToy

4 жыл бұрын

It’s worth pushing through the seeming arrogance to end up at a very thoughtful and bountiful back and forth. The brightest people are often somewhat awkward and Eric’s motives seem beyond legit. He’s getting to the damn point and thank god ✌️

@justinmoore3121

4 жыл бұрын

chris douglass Yea man. He was like that when his brother was on the show. I almost look at it as a sign of endearment. He wants to make sure the conversation moves as far as it can forward. And not get bogged down by tiny misunderstandings.

@boristepavcevic3323

4 жыл бұрын

@@TopherToy I would definitely question Eric's motives. I am surprised that Eric, at his age, does not see that if the media is independent, we would not need Wikileaks, Project Veritas, Chelsea Manning and others to blow the whistle or use "dirty" techniques to reveal what is going on behind the scene.

@r_e_panzer4960

4 жыл бұрын

But like Ye, if he didn't have that, he wouldn't be him. I feel it also, Eric's .....arrogance I guess, though I'm not sure that's exactly what it is, not sure if he is aware of it as we are. I just get the feeling he is going to curtail the normal courtesy in an exchange of dialog in order to get to his point and it comes off as arrogance. Some of it is arrogant, I'll forgive for the truth we get out of it.

@samdunn717

4 жыл бұрын

@John Smith good point. That's exactly what he's doing, he's telling the bullied kid off for finally effectively dealing with the bully.

I rather watch 2.5 hrs of Mr Weinstein and his guest than 10 minutes of of Kimmel, Fallon or Oliver etc...

@tycer9754

4 жыл бұрын

Parisienne Insouciante amen to that

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty low bar there...I'd rather watch paint dry than any of those

@simonheaney8721

4 жыл бұрын

That is so true

@CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy

4 жыл бұрын

Those late night shows are actually sickening. Whenever I catch clips of them and think that thousands of people are genuinely entertained by that crap every day, it makes me feel some kind of existential sickness.

@JustimberFlake

4 жыл бұрын

@roohit lal she's referring to time invested vs time wasted.

James admits to accepting to bear his cross and Weinstein admits to not accepting it... enough said.

Eric, let James tell the truth. Stop cutting him off.

In a nutshell: Stop being so right-wing so I can tell my left-wing friends about you.

@666DemonCleaner

4 жыл бұрын

Lone Wolf pretty much.

@cmag8924

4 жыл бұрын

@@666DemonCleaner So in a nutshell: Eric stop being so left wing, so I can tell my right wing friends about you?

@DarrylWhiteguitar

4 жыл бұрын

Eric should consider the possibility that hard right and left CAN be fruitful as long as they are minorities in a pluralistic political spectrum. The media game (perverse incentives) pushed everything to the extremes and our people have self radicalized too much.

@gravygravyjosh

4 жыл бұрын

Or maybe; stop being so partisan because your attempt to forge a narrative discredits your non-biased work

@theconservativeliberal6967

4 жыл бұрын

That’s a good take.

The problem is your friends with their fingers in their ears, Eric, not James O'Keefe.

@L0rd0fTh3N3rdz

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@gordonjohnson2497

4 жыл бұрын

@james sc there is no lazy way to get someone else autonomously to accept truth. you must KNOW truth so well that to engage withyou on a topic is to surrender to said truth. TLTR: know your shit and others will listen.

@drbobinski1

4 жыл бұрын

This is the central theme of this podcast. Tough call. This kid is amazing. Eric is the heavyweight champ and James got the draw from me.

@nomi-hiking2184

4 жыл бұрын

The question then becomes: Why is taking in the truth so painful at times?

@L0rd0fTh3N3rdz

4 жыл бұрын

@@drbobinski1 what has Eric done out side of math that makes him a heavy weight on anything? Taking CBD on Joe Rogan? Eric doesnt have half the credibility he pretends to have.

Eric: Deceiving people to get the truth is immoral. Pedophiles everywhere-👏👏👏👏👏

Despite Eric's emotional irrationality, this was a great interview! He admits multiple times that he is "pissed off and angry" but James played this so well and promoted the value of TRUTH in society!

@Laremy

Жыл бұрын

Bro has serious issues. I applaud James for sitting through this and pretending to care about his non-point.

@fhoofe3245

10 ай бұрын

Eric has come a long way in the past three years, and I think he realizes that he was a typical bourgeois, university, liberal intellectual, and that almost everything he believed about the world was wrong

Eric seems to spend a significant amount of each episode talking in a condescending way to his guest, telling them repeatedly "You're missing the point.". Is every guest an idiot or is Eric communicating/thinking in too much of a roundabout over-complicated way on some matters that are just simple.

@tiffanysmith0607

4 жыл бұрын

YUPPPPP

@DavidMorley123

4 жыл бұрын

Eric is a poor listener.

@artandculture5262

4 жыл бұрын

When I worked with PhDs in math, they often knew what I was saying before I finished saying it, but we had the unspoken agreement that I was allowed to finish my sentences. And this is some of the syndrome of a bubble. James is the expert here in something that Eric wishes he could do. So he could enter the conversation as a student. It reminds me of Jordan Peterson speaking to Joe Rogan, and at one point Peterson says, “You are really intelligent Joe”, and artists and comedians, and likely many people who practice their fields for many years, may be smarter than a PhD can realize because the credential doesn’t match •their• map of who is supposed to be intelligent. The bag of marbles is open more than some people realize.

@aikonatsumi5611

4 жыл бұрын

@@artandculture5262 Well said. The dichotomy between credentials and presentable outcome is huge. Humbling even to many when they experience it. I love when people listen to someone for what they're saying and not who they are.

@TedKidd

4 жыл бұрын

We all have a tendency to blame the listener for our poor explanation skills...

Eric, I believe you're letting "Perfect be the enemy of good". And I agree with your guest at this point.

@forzamato

4 жыл бұрын

Charles Stanley I heard multiple times Eric agree that he was not seeking perfection out of James/PV (the fraction analogy). What I heard Eric asking was "Can James/PV consider protecting identities for an opportunity to A. Grow PV's audience and effect and B. Reducing harm to the individuals identified in PVs work b/c the reality is the mass audience forgets the individual but remembers the content, however there is a minority audience who has a reason to remember the individual- this is the "gated community"/ institutions - which can impact the individual greatly. IDK if James is wired to auto-defend PV, & rightly so with the unrelenting crap thrown his way, Or if James was truly not hearing the deeper question/conversation, one which would be a discussion worth having.

@JosephGamacheKD0AHS

4 жыл бұрын

@@forzamato I see James failing to latch on to the question about whether hiding identities would increase or decrease PV's efficacy (which I believe has solid points on both sides) and Eric failing to fully articulate his concerns with PV's methods with specific examples and a conversation about where he thinks the line should have been drawn.

@ptyeueiiwjd

4 жыл бұрын

The way Eric talks is annoying as hell. He talks in such wild abstract ways that are way to complicated to grasp in the moment that he says them. Idk if that feeds his intelligence ego or what but he needs to be straight to the point and concise when trying to explain his point of view. Maybe I'm just a dumb rock. But it would probably benefit the portal if he could try and just speak a little more plainly when discussing complex ideas.

@danielsimonson3484

4 жыл бұрын

I was trying to figure out how to say this. You nailed it.

@rechargefreedom

4 жыл бұрын

@@forzamato what deeper question. When confronted for Specific examples of bad reporting Eric had none. It took him FOREVER to get his point of destruction of the individual could be avoided. How many times did he beat around that, or was he just unable to say it forthrightly the first 20 times, or does he just like to interrupt and like the sound of his voice?

Eric I think a bit of the problem with you in this interview is: 1. You're telling him he's not on the efficient frontier without really giving meaningful alternatives to what he's doing (in your words decreasing the denominator without reducing the numerator) 2. You don't have skin in the game doing what he's doing so I don't think your voice has credibility regarding what's possible, I don't think you've had to wrestle with the trade offs and attempts to be effective

@greatness8248

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

Eric, keep working with mice and James will keep working as a man with balls.

This increased my respect for James. He's a lot smarter than he first appears.

@lazenbytim

4 жыл бұрын

'Appears'.....? what does someones look have to do with intelligence?

@sadface7457

4 жыл бұрын

@@lazenbytim It's a figure of speech. It means smarter then initial impressions. Later in the video he confides in the ethics of the operation which show deeper insight in obligation and considerations of media then just posting leaked clips to the internet.

@ThePdeHav

4 жыл бұрын

Gary Wood : yes, I agree

@kylecrawford2153

4 жыл бұрын

This made me aware how my perception of O'Keefe was dirtied by the MSM playing dirty with him. O'Keefe shot up to the highest of levels in my book. I appreciated him before, I am deeply inspired by him now. As I am by Eric Weinstein. And the audience here. This gives me life again. I feel so angry what the Left has become today. You guys can save our country's soul.

@Sam-xg3mr

4 жыл бұрын

Kyle Crawford I’m nearly two hours into this and I still couldn’t tell you exactly what Eric’s issue with O’Keefe is, or how Eric expects O’Keefe to behave in order to earn his stamp of approval.

Eric you come across quite elitist in this interview. Unusual for you to not listen and call names. James sees the world for what it is, answered your questions and the name calling from you was hard to watch.

@Zekian

4 жыл бұрын

Could you point me to a timestamp that you would consider name calling?

@Cyborg588

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zekian I dunno calling someone's behavior, or reason for doing something sociopathic (even partly) would be considered a pejorative me thinks.

@CultofThings

4 жыл бұрын

Cat he calls him self-righteous, similar to donald trump, amateur, and a poor journalist. I don’t have the timestamps because that would mean watching it again and honestly this interview pisses me off. Eric is trying to initiate this guy into his group and telling him why he’s unacceptable for their standards.

@dylancardenas

4 жыл бұрын

eric lives in the moment and has a hard head. I absolutely enjoy these intellectual bouts. Sometimes he can be brash but . he has a way of monitoring his hostility while still allowing someone on the other side to know he is upset. isnt the first time he has done this name calling thing. but i beg please keep an open mind and dont get hung up on his verbage he likes to dish to the people he is bouting with. I agree maybe he can peel it back a little but it is in no way to even get hung up on.

@DirkSorensby

4 жыл бұрын

@@CultofThings First, let me say Eric is honest and what he is doing is admirable. As I postulated on another comment, I wonder if Eric, and same with Sam Harris, have a blind spot in that they find it difficult, or perhaps impossible, to appreciate any traits other than the intellect. James is no dummy, but like Trump, James has some other great strengths too. tenacity? Inventiveness? focus? guts? just some examples. I wonder what traits Eric has great appreciation for, other than intellect? (granted many traits interweave and are not entirely distinct)

"You don't know my audience. I've got the best audience in all of podcasting...." - Eric Weinstein emulating his hero, Donald J. Trump

@collinblatchford

3 жыл бұрын

👌 the greatest audience of all time 👌

I’ve never heard Eric sound so angry and arrogant.

Eric, your immaturity here is embarrassing, to put it bluntly. Your constant eye-rolling when James finishes a thought, or, in some cases, defends himself against your charges, is beneath you. You seem to think, throughout the majority of this video, that James is misunderstanding you, when he's actually disagreeing with you. You appear to be getting irritated with him because he's not acquiescing to your charges.

@hubertusb.137

4 жыл бұрын

Take a second look - James did miss the point throughout the whole show, it is not patronizing to point it out.

@clemsonalum98

4 жыл бұрын

That’s just Eric I don’t like it either but have sort of learned to accept it.

@clemsonalum98

4 жыл бұрын

Phil Will I think it was a little of both.

@magottyk

4 жыл бұрын

@@hubertusb.137 The point is for an ideal world that does not exist. James is past the point and the morality to protect the target from their own words is dubious at best as we each own the responsibility for what we say, not a third party. It is patronising when Eric stops James from finishing his defence for reporting the statements and bragging of the target and when asked for an example Eric skips that invitation in what appears to be a blank book of specifics to exemplify the point. Eric's statement that he could explain James's point better than he can, it's not only patronising but overtly belittling.

@hubertusb.137

4 жыл бұрын

@@magottyk He was only unterrupting because James switched the topic as soon as he started to reply. That was a sign of good guidance, and as the host of the podcast he decides what should be pointed out. Eric never stopped to reach out his hand, but James did admit he was not able to follow. He had all the time necessary to find a reply and consider some points - and he didn't. Thing is, Eric and the listeners learned a lot during the session, and Eric insisted in the point that James sabotages his own work - James learned nothing and will continue to do so. Morality is not the point - it is all about the craft and the results that are produced. These kind of results have an inherent fallacy. That makes James an activist, but not a journalist.

James, you did good, Eric as much as I appreciate you, you failed

@DanailaAndrei

4 жыл бұрын

true to an extent. Also when we analyze this, we need to keep in mind that Eric still does not have a lot of experience with taking interviews, but he is used to dominating in a way the discussion. So it is annoying, but I would put a lot of the issues in this on his lack of experience in the field of taking interviews (not participating in interviews).

@sweetdangerzack

4 жыл бұрын

Eric can pontificate all he wants on his semi-utopian vision for journalism while James is out in the field getting results like no one else. Sorry Eric, I love you man, but you sound like the socialite who's never spent a day in a crop field lecturing a farmer about how much more productive he could be if only he adopted X, Y, and Z methods.

@Jewcas770

4 жыл бұрын

@@sweetdangerzack excellent analogy

@URAWESOME94

4 жыл бұрын

Passey's Perspective I enjoy both of these gents and I see why Eric is a bit hostile. Project Veritas has a history of somewhat skewing and selectively leaking exposures. It’s human nature of course. No biggie when placed in an isolated fashion. That said, when it’s put into the context of both undercover and in efforts to expose individuals/companies it’ll invoke some anger. Eric is trying to say by blurring out faces and distorting voices, you’re still getting the information out while not totally betraying the person you’ve managed to coax into trust and frank conversation. I can respect that on Eric’s end, but I can also appreciate the justification argument by James because if you’re some regional field supervisor of production working for a corporation you know broadcasts lies, perhaps being filmed exposing it isn’t the worst for you. Perhaps you need to leave the corporate news life and do something where you’re not such a sellout. Some of the discussions show just how either wicked or depressed these people are. In the end, the company is exposed and the people are either humanized or humiliated while the truth is spoken nonetheless. Justified. Context be damned.

James handled this exceptionally well. His composure to not only take Eric's criticism in good faith, but to really commit to trying to find an answer and understand the question that Eric was asking over and over again was impressive.

He’s basically saying, “James, I need you to publicly chastise yourself and put on a show of repentance for my morally superior friends to take you seriously”

What I love about James is all the assistance he gives whistleblowers after they come forward. Legal, financial, privacy, - whatever they need, PV has stood behind them fully. For whistleblowers, there is only ONE place they can go. Thank goodness for Project Veritas.

@gertfredrikson4584

4 жыл бұрын

Is it all kind of whistleblowers or do they tend to have something in common?

@jeupater1429

4 жыл бұрын

Totally, Eric does not get that this is only the beginning. Eric wants to go back to what it was like when he was younger. There is no going back. It's only going to get crazier and rolling over for or even giving an inch to the forces that want to topple society in its entirety is not an option. They use every tactic, beyond anything accessible to the right, and Eric is over here trying to sanctify the right. Please Eric, get a fucking clue. You don't send monks into battle. Eric is the kind of guy, where if Trump hadn't been elected, he'd be right there waving the demented banners of inter-sectionalism.

@RandomCarrot2806

4 жыл бұрын

@@gertfredrikson4584 Yeah, they have in common that they contacted Project Veritas with their information. Take your political game somewhere else.

@gertfredrikson4584

4 жыл бұрын

@@RandomCarrot2806 Where do feel at home with your political game?

@Hands2HealNow

4 жыл бұрын

Forgetting all that Wikileaks and Julian Assange have accomplished?

James O'Keefe is WAY smarter than I thought he was.

@pgottsha84

4 жыл бұрын

He did handle himself extremely well and honestly I lost a lot of respect for Eric after watching this discussion. James is doing exactly what needs to be done far far more and the results he has achieved are undeniable. Eric should be helping him, not maligning him and patronizing the hell out of him

@allthemarbles5465

4 жыл бұрын

James won't trade his principles for money. There is clear bias to institutions on Eric's part. Fuck em. I hate this play we watch where people in private are different then they are in Public.

@pgottsha84

4 жыл бұрын

@Chad Larson some people with that ego earn and deserve it, and I would include Eric amongst those people, but this interview was just catastrophic for Eric and the fact that he thought he won makes it that much worse

@andyb4863

4 жыл бұрын

Hate to sound cliche, but yes, I agree!

@HBFTimmahh

4 жыл бұрын

He is way smarter than Weinstains dumb papertrained ass.

I respect Eric. That being said, I believe he's wrestling with the fact that there is absoloute moral good and James is clearly a better person than the type of poeple he typically associates with and it brings credibility to the idea that some of his leftist notions are not actually founded in ethics.

Eric outline = “Protect the victims.” (Victimized by institutions) James outline = “It’s freeing them from tyranny” (refuses to be a victim)

Eric you were too much of a Mathematician here. Be a little more Rogan. I think you detracted a bit from the show. Im sorry. Please don't interrupt so aggressively. Thank you.

@DownTheHill3

4 жыл бұрын

You gotta let Eric be Eric, and Eric needs to let James be James. It’s all means to the same end we all want

@tscotts9699

4 жыл бұрын

Please, Eric, never be more Rogan.

@L0rd0fTh3N3rdz

4 жыл бұрын

@J A interrupting to insert what you want a guest to say so you can strawman them and make vague accusations about tone perception and displays of guilt isnt helping a single thing. It makes eric look like trash.

Partway through Eric says "Take as long as you want". But that was quite insincere. Eric repeatedly interrupted, and aborted James' point halfway through. I found it a little arrogant and disappointing. I'm talking purely about interview style. We need to do better.

@Marmocet

4 жыл бұрын

No no, stop. Let me make this point because I can make it much better than you.

@SingleDigitDriven

4 жыл бұрын

Marmocet yes!!!! God I love Eric, but to say that??? Very off putting.

@DavidMorley123

4 жыл бұрын

Eric is a poor listener.

Eric: Go after the institutions James: these people runs those institutions Eric: Go after the institutions

@Knowledge_is_Power911

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahhajajaja fucking right sir

James: I feel very strongly that Eric interrupts: I'm worried that we're not communicating here

Eric: I'm irritated. James: Why? Eric: because my friends are prejudiced against you, it must be your fault. James: O.k. but my principles are not going to change Eric: You're so arrogant!

@najif7644

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone in this thread is a James fanboy that wasn't really listening to what Eric was saying. Please attempt to relisten to the conversation without your biases playing a key role in your understanding and you would be able to know how constructive and engaging this conversation was.

@commiekim478

4 жыл бұрын

@@najif7644 The 2 main things he said were 1) Show people your personal struggle with what you choose to release to the public 2) Think about the people and how they're affected by what you release. Is the information worth it? I think Eric interacts with the elitist and they are frightened by what he is releasing. If they can't buy him or blackmail him, they will kill him. Was Eric asking him if he is willing to die a veiled threat?

@najif7644

4 жыл бұрын

@@commiekim478 if you follow Eric or check out his stuff outside of this conversation you'd see that he isn't as much of a chill as he might come across. Your take on the video is a pretty accurate summation and I hope you further your understanding by checking Eric out, he's pretty interesting himself. Through that you'll understand why it's not a threat but a test of passion.

@memyselfandi8544

4 жыл бұрын

Eric- We must overcome institutions and groupthink. James - Ok, lets take down the institutions. Eric- "that's not how the game is played, and you are not acceptable to the institutions." Note Eric is completely quiet as people die because the media doesn't want to acknowledge hydroxychoriquin can help. Erics has as much testicular fortitude as Tulsi Gabbard. None.

@tunnelsloth5948

4 жыл бұрын

This conversation was a lot deeper than the way you're trying to portray it. I know it gets repetitive at some points, but I don't think this is the right interpretation. Just for one, it's not that Eric's friends hate him. Probably 50% of the country hates him. Probably more. Small *and* overall useful and self-beneficial changes could not only improve the efficacy of what he's attempting to do in and of it itself, but also increase the amount of people who would see his actions as well-intentioned, sincere, and for a broader purpose. And this would be especially impactful, because basically no one else is doing what he's doing right now. It's not merely an issue of optics, and yet it's also the case that his optics are extremely bad for a lot of people; and it's the case that his optics aren't his fault in the sense of how many institutions and organizations have portrayed him, and yet it's also the case that even in spite of that, his optics would still likely be quite bad on average. As Eric said, there's a superposition of what's going on in his situation, in my opinion. It's not simply that he's not acceptable to institutions, or their supporters, or people who believe what institutions say, or Democrats, etc. Yes, that's undoubtedly occurring, but, again, it's not just that. There's a complex combination of factors here, and as O'Keefe says himself, with great power comes great responsibility. And Eric wasn't calling him a sociopath. They both were having a good faith conversation; there wasn't any such accusation. I'd recommend watching it again if you came away with that impression. A very thorough and objective analysis of all of O'Keefe's disclosures, on a case-by-case basis, would probably make this nuanced issue clearer to him and others. As O'Keefe repeatedly referred to, the ethics need to be considered based on the circumstances of each case. But as Eric said, he wasn't trying to get into the weeds. That's not his job. This would likely be a difficult multi-hour affair. I think Eric's point may have at least somewhat struck home at the end though: this is something O'Keefe needs to seriously think about himself.

I love how James O'Keefe just lets Eric ramble on and on. James is showing Eric in real time his own way of interviewing people and it goes right over Eric's head.

@simulatedentropy5768

4 жыл бұрын

And Eric's egotistical fanbois.

@arcamemnon9193

4 жыл бұрын

@Golden Runway "The Bible says speak little, listen much." But if people who speak much are unwise and foolish, won't listening to them all the time without engaging their ideas be a detriment to an intelligent life?

@BhutanBluePoppy

4 жыл бұрын

@Golden Runway LOL - humor appreciated.

@golden1324

4 жыл бұрын

@@simulatedentropy5768 I don't think it's going completely over Eric's fans heads, there's a large number of comments calling Eric out for being domineering and overly critical where it is unwarranted

I really like James. He seems like a good guy!

I rarely check the youtube comments, but after watching this whole interview I had to see if other people were annoyed by Eric as I was, and low and behold, seems like everyone feels the same way I felt watching this. I wonder if Eric can take all this synonymous criticism and actually let it temper his ego into something that is somewhat palatable.

@posivibez2094

4 жыл бұрын

Same! I've been a huge fan of Eric since hearing him on Sam Harris years ago but as of late his ego and self satisfaction seem to be ballooning starting to make him feel out of touch and unlikeable, hope he reigns that in.

Eric is very good at interrupting and not letting others interrupt him. Conversationally domineering.

@drmedwuast

4 жыл бұрын

T C MY Podcast!

@laureldevine

4 жыл бұрын

He looks like a bully here.

@BhutanBluePoppy

4 жыл бұрын

T C yes he is & it's very annoying. He's also excellent at interrupting the interviewee to say he (Eric) already knows the point the interviewee is going to make --- when in fact the interviewee is trying to make a different point that Eric doesn't want to address.

@david8905

4 жыл бұрын

He is approaching Alex Jones levels of interruption. At the same time it is his podcast, and he does know a lot about everything.

@idahoman325

4 жыл бұрын

Wait did you try and make that as a key positive point to this embarrassing interview?

It's not up to James, to make his content more palatable to Eric's narcissistic "freinds". Maybe Eric needs to re evaluate who his friends are.

@commiekim478

4 жыл бұрын

His friends are very powerful and he will lose a lot. Jesus taught us that you have to be willing to risk everything, most will not

@david8905

4 жыл бұрын

Bullseye!

@friarnewborg9213

4 жыл бұрын

A pity Eric cannot match the courage of James. A lot of Eric's friends are on the wrong side of this important battle

@danieldipperlosthisslipper6200

4 жыл бұрын

Lol! I was yelling that exact sentiment at my phone for the last 2.5 hrs 😂

@Strelnikov10

4 жыл бұрын

Bingo! That comment cuts like a knife.

Eric, your fart jokers are a terrible analogy for what James is doing.

@samdunn717

4 жыл бұрын

They were cover for some far more embarrassing thing he's hiding. He wanted to make a point without revealing the thing

I really appreciate Eric and what he does and says. This was a great conversation, but you could clearly see the narcissism coming from Eric.

@seanl548

2 жыл бұрын

An air of moral superiority

*Please read this.* Out of interest, are there any of Eric's followers that are in between the two Parties but would vote Trump because of how the Democrats are so arrogant that they dont even care about their own base as well as being in cahoots with such institutions as the Main stream media and the Universities that Eric loathes currently. Thumbs up if you'd vote Trump the next general election. I'm just interested as I think Eric's followers arent as anti Trump as he is but we put that aside because, among other things he's (Eric) a great Thinker, Orator and Interviewer.

@Trollificusv2

4 жыл бұрын

Hell, I don't even like Trump but would have voted for him over Hillary in 2016. NOW I fully intend to vote for him because the Democrats lack any commitment to the truth, and seem, in many cases to be completely delusional.

@scottstevens6380

4 жыл бұрын

Green party...

@thurstonxander

4 жыл бұрын

I'm voting for you maverick🤩

@Argrouk

4 жыл бұрын

What I want to know, is does that mean he would vote for the evil Hillary?

@CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy

4 жыл бұрын

I consider myself a centrist who has lots of problems with both parties. Here's the thing. At the end of the day, a Biden presidency wouldn't be much different from a Trump presidency. They're both establishment creatures. (Yes, despite Trump's rhetoric, he's an establishment creature; look who he packed his cabinet with.) So they would basically do the same things as president. But Trump will be better for the stock market. And I have substantial investments. That's literally it. It's plain, ugly, pragmatic self-interest. I see almost no difference between a Biden/Trump presidency, but Trump will be better for my portfolio.

You wont lose viewers from having him on your channel. You may though from being completely biased and not taking any of his views into his account. You didnt seem to add anything to the conversation, and this discussion was lost time. Maybe its your affiliations on the left, but you didnt give this guy a fair chance to change your mind.

@DavidMorley123

4 жыл бұрын

Eric is a poor listener.

Eric lost me (a left leaning guy) as a subscriber. not because he had this guest on, but because he behaved extremely poorly, it was arrogant and cringey to watch. No respect by the host. Eric's narcissistic personality really came through here.

OKeef, "please don't interrupt me." Weinstien: Interrupts.

Eric: You promised there would be no Gotchas James: Right, no gotchas Eric: I disdain you, but I can't dismiss you as campy, a lightweight, not pedigreed, the wrong politics or defend the MSM and still be the even handed adult in the room, So I have to come up with a unarticulatable critique against your "methods" to resolve my cognitive dissonance and stay within my Progressive Intellectual Group's narrative that dismisses you. James: My method is just to let the camera record the truth and then show it, that is more honest and not really a gotcha Eric: I can't reconcile my dissonance, it makes me irritated and angry. 2 1/2 hrs of the camera recording the truth; Eric gotchas himself and James calmly lets him do it. Beautiful

@KaneNexus

4 жыл бұрын

Best TLDR goes to this comment. 👍

@CarnivoreStork

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Dunn Eric unconsciously agrees and admires James but cannot betray his majority left leaning locked stepped audience. Good on Eric to have a truly open mind and let This incredible interview even happen.

@brewmastermonk9356

4 жыл бұрын

Eric is slowly redpilling himself.

@jbowen867

4 жыл бұрын

@@brewmastermonk9356... The redpilling won't happen its to late. Eric was indoctrinated in the 70s. He is trying to grasp onto a liberalism that doesn't not exist anywhere in the modern world and he actually sees more of it in James then in his own crowd and beliefs and his brain can't process that.

@jbowen867

4 жыл бұрын

@@brewmastermonk9356. I also think Eric's disdain for James is because he sees his own Genesis in him. What do you mean by that is that Eric's journey of trying to keep his own house in order, "the Cathedral" the "main stream left" ect was birthed from his exact fear that somone like James was going to come along. He wanted to prevent James from ever being necessary. Now James is necessary and is here so Eric is so upset that what he warned would happened has happend. It's not the fault of James tho that the lefts house isn't in order. Such a passive agressive way of victim blaming and apologizing for the people with the fingers in their ears.

Eric some times you have to let your guest finish for the viewer. I don't know if you actually know what point they are getting at, or if you are making an assumption rather than listening, but often I am certainly not sure what point they are getting at. So you should let them go. They might finish on a note that defies your expectation or elucidates something that was unclear.

@Sui_Generis0

4 жыл бұрын

He comes across a bit immature and arrogant. He believes that his thoughts/accusations are so obvious and undeniable that any disagreement comes from the guest not understanding him. I've seen this happen in many of these portal episodes and so it's not just a bad day in the office so to speak.

@Some1.2ear

4 жыл бұрын

It's because he knows exactly where the conversation is heading

@JBHACKSAW

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sui_Generis0 he's not a good interviewer, but I think he will be

@MiqelDotCom

4 жыл бұрын

100%

@Shortana

4 жыл бұрын

Spot on.

I liked the video; I'm thrilled that this conversation took place. I also think Eric's objections are ridiculous and James is a hero.

Eric: I want to have my cake and eat it too James: ...*class

The fact that Eric believes Project Veritas' methods are causing them to lose segments of their audience speaks more to Eric and his social circles than it does to Project Veritas' methods.

@iamjurell

4 жыл бұрын

Or it speaks to his views on the relative value of tactics and rigour and outcomes. Facts don't care about your feelings, sure, but feelings don't give a flying fuck about facts, and disregarding the latter issue has its own costs.

@forzamato

4 жыл бұрын

Un Possible I believe Eric's intent was to engage James on ideas to grow PVs audience and PVs effect. The idea included PVs methods which Eric is critical of (rightly) and James defended (rightly).

@chrisc7265

4 жыл бұрын

The kind of person who would ignore a video because of the Project Veritas logo does not care if the faces are pixelated or not. They take comfort in being on the side supported by cultural hegemony, and they will blindly protect the institutions that enforce that hegemony. Any threat to that is outside the echo chamber, beyond the pale --- it's not a question of ethics, it's a question of politics.

@commiekim478

4 жыл бұрын

@@iamjurell I believe that is why James shows uncut video segments. The legacy media controls the "feelings" narrative. Logical thinkers don't care where the evidence comes from as long as it's legitimate. The feelers are easily manipulated.

@tunnelsloth5948

4 жыл бұрын

@@forzamato Good summary.

Eric is a bit too antagonistic, pedantic and critical towards a figurehead who represents simply recording people dropping bombshells that the people ought to hear. Period. This isn't complicated and it doesn't need to be. I just find it absurd the roadblocks he's putting up to diminish what James is doing. You either agree with it ethically or don't. It's clear he struggles with it ethically but he can't write off how damning and beneficial some of the bombshells have been. He wants his cake and to eat it too.

@LibertarianLatina

4 жыл бұрын

Mike M bingo!!!! Well said

@jumpingeezus5080

4 жыл бұрын

Mike M Who does not want to eat the cake they have paid for?

@bgilley8199

4 жыл бұрын

That's bullshit, Project Veritas twists facts and context to suit their purpose just as badly as any mainstream news. They are less trustworthy than even Fox or CNN.

@grayrob1075

4 жыл бұрын

@b gilley No, Project Veritas is just more threatening and damning to the narrative msm chose to create. Something you bought into, which it why it threatens you.

@thetankgarage

4 жыл бұрын

So what you're saying is that Eric is a human and not a robot? Your statement is cliche conservatism. If you're not a cliche or a robot, you should have no problem seeing not only O'Keefe's side but Eric's as well

Are O'Keefe methods any different from 60 min and ect.? I wish Eric would have had a clear solution or alternative method. It came down to "James, your bad."

@lydiamalone1859

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! But they are institutional and therefore okay? Back in the seventies and eighties they were brutal. And that's back when there were only three channels and everybody watched it. Project veritas is banned all the time on platforms. I am only an hour in but I hope that's mentioned

Weinstein: "I do not like your methods good sir." O'Keefe: "What we do is very important, the public has a right to know." Weinstein: "Yes, but surely there is a nicer way to do what you do?" O'Keefe: "I don't think there is a better way, and here's why [explains]." Weinstein: "…I do not like your methods good sir." Seriously though, good on Eric for even having O'Keefe on here. The reason though that the "gated institutions" are ignoring any information that comes out of Project Veritas is not that Project Veritas' methods are objectionable, it's that *anything which contradicts the narrative of the gated institutions or makes them look bad* must be defamed. The "gated institutions" have goals, and they will lie, cover things up, do anything necessary to achieve those goals. They would be defaming PV even if PV was as pure as the driven snow in terms of methodology, because they are putting out important truth that the gated institutions do not want the public to know.

Eric: The problem with what you're doing is that my circle of friends don't like it.

@pepepapy620

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's probably what he means by "efficiency frontier"

@BioStuff415

4 жыл бұрын

yup...

@rafal5863

4 жыл бұрын

E: The methods inefficient because whatever you report on poisons the well. E: Settle legally because it is financially pragmatic and efficient.

@jwelda1

4 жыл бұрын

No one is going to talk freely anymore (at parties etc) if they think some moron at the party has a hidden mic and camera. We’re going to lose all this behind the curtain information if someone is going around trying to destroy individuals versus trying to destroy the credibility of the institutions themselves.

@jwelda1

4 жыл бұрын

Also Eric’s circle of friends influence nations...but yeah...you’re right...he should appeal to a bunch of morons on KZread with NO influence on anything.

Eric can be absolutely exhausting. I like Eric and I enjoy his show but Eric is far too often not looking for AN answer, but he is looking to hear HIS answer from someone else.

@douglasmackinnon7026

4 жыл бұрын

I think sometimes he just wants to get to the point faster but sometimes it turns into a siloquiy.

@gertfredrikson4584

4 жыл бұрын

What I get he is wanting, is an answer from him self or from James O’Keefe, an answer that is novel, he keeps them in this uncomfortable space just to remind us that we need more helpful answers to this question. And for what it is worth O’Keefe seemed to receive that passing at the end.

@L0rd0fTh3N3rdz

4 жыл бұрын

@@brow4840 I've never seen someone praised for derailing conversation let alone be praised as if it is some how "real talk" and be serious about it

@L0rd0fTh3N3rdz

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-mm8vw1ow1x or at least make a coherent argument outside of tone and displays of public guilt from James.

@tpage8051

4 жыл бұрын

This. 100%. He's gets in this whiny condescending tone and won't consider that maybe he's wrong. Just tell me what I want to hear! aww

2:06:20 “You don’t have an unelected group of techies who get to keep their finger on the scale and say “well for the good of the world we have the right to control the election cause all of the information passes through our servers”” -Eric (this time last year months before an election) I literally love how disagreeable Eric is it’s awkward but I respect it. In this case he’s just not airing a point well. He knows James Okeef is on the receiving end of character assassination and he also knows he does good work. He’s wrestling with the fact that his peers are dismissive of Project Veritas’ content based on the way they’ve been conditioned to think about James. I’m not sure James is the issue. He’s putting a spot light on people abusing power and airing truth. It’s weird that we’re so accepting of institutional media’s methods in that they are basically theatre. They lie more than they do not. I don’t know what the answer is but I respect these guys talking about it

Regardless of the imperfections in this - It still demonstrates the the art and vital beauty of difficult conversations ! I appreciate them both stepping up to this.

I'm confused with Eric's hangups on the methodology that James is using to have the utmost transparency for the stories being uncovered. How can you not use the means of deception to elicit the genuine response from someone who would lie otherwise? James is doing the dirty but crucial work of transparency. The world is ugly and needs to be seen and then logically and rationally approached. Otherwise, we are guilty by omission of keeping the facade of this world and perpetuating delusion. The cliche term of fighting fire with fire doesn't work for this. I can't think of the appropriate metaphor but James means in these times are more necessary then ever.

@Clearingthepathtoascend

4 жыл бұрын

The people he's exposing are guilty by association, at the very least, if not completely complicit. Eric said that he wants james to mitigate the collateral damage but those helping the facade are not collateral damage. They are important and viable targets that deserve to be exposed.

@Clearingthepathtoascend

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nimuel hard to argue the points been reached when none of the organizations have been held accountable and nothing is yet to change.

@nicknomski8399

4 жыл бұрын

Eric emphasises the institutional fault and minimises the fault of the useful idiots being doxed (perhaps)

@JBHACKSAW

4 жыл бұрын

@J A while bias was brought up too, I feel Eric's main contention is that protecting the individual will allow people to stop focusing on the deceit involved. Then the focus could be the corruption or mismanagement of the institution. The good thing about James work is he brings out the truth. The bad thing is he needs to deceive. Eric thinks by taking the focus away from the individual, viewers can see that James understands the bad part of his work and limits damage. This can open him up to a wider audience.

@Clearingthepathtoascend

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicknomski8399 that's a great point. If you choose to be the embodiment or physical manifestation of a corrupt or immoral institution then you are more at fault. It takes individuals to enact the immoral, unethical or inhumane agendas of those institutions. Find another way to make a bbn living or don't look for sympathy when you're pushed off the boat before it sinks.

I respect you Eric! But... the more I see of this interview the more "pissed off" I get. This is so backward. James pisses you off. You probably piss people off with this. James acts humble. You act very arrogant. James seems to speak clearly. You are very non-concrete. You accuse James being inefficient. You are not communicating efficiently here. James does not interrupt. You interrupt. You say James ruins the reputation of what he uncovers. You are hurting the reputation of your project with this behavior. You say that James needs to aim higher. This is hopefully your low water mark. You stand on no moral high ground. If you are on a moral high ground you must first prove it by acting with example. I respect you, but you can do soo much better than this.

@TheMiracleMatter

3 жыл бұрын

*[OOF]*

@tikmaanboksouwe

3 жыл бұрын

Eric seemed really angry and Im not sure why, but I like that he has a civil convo with a person he strongly disagrees with. Conversation is the answer! Thx James, and thanks Eric!

@codymoore1765

3 жыл бұрын

I was going to comment but I cant say it any better than this comment.

Eric says "I understand" so many times yet the whole conversation shows that he doesn't understand at all.

He wants James to take off the “shit suit” that was put on him by the people he’s trying to expose.

Eric: The people in my circles are so pathetic and delusional. James: What do you want me do about that? Eric: Pixelate some faces!

@DavidLee-js8ew

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@timjosling9298

4 жыл бұрын

All that would happen with pixellation is that people would say that "it could be anyone, how do we know it's real"? Such nonsense.

In this episode of The Portal, Eric concern-trolls for two hours and twenty five minutes. Eric, you need to learn to control your impulse to concern-troll. See? Two can play at this game.

@questor55

4 жыл бұрын

Although I completely agree, I'm not sure the tone of your post lends anything constructive to the discourse. Three can play at this game, ha.

@L0rd0fTh3N3rdz

4 жыл бұрын

And did you hear his TONE? Did he not consider the optics? If he wants my friends who absolutely despise and ignore everything he says to like him he needs to settle down straighten up and fly right.

@sevencolours5014

4 жыл бұрын

If you look closely, his used other tactics in addition to concern-trolling. I can count at least 5.

You could make the case that the very fact O’Keefe was fitted for a shit suit is evidence of how effective he has been.

The first 30 min boils down to: don’t hate the player, hate the game. If I’m getting that correctly.

It's clear to me that James has thought deeply about what he does and how he does it and he has come to the conclusion that it HAS to be that way. Eric, it seems, wants him to change his methods to make the message more palatable to his left-leaning friends. Eric, if James is going to make an omelet, he's going to have to break a few eggs and you're going to have to just work on getting people to listen instead of sticking their head in the sand.

Eric, no amount of finesse will make James palatable to your left of centre friends.

@simplyafederalist

4 жыл бұрын

This cant be said enough. No amount of evidence will change their minds.

@pondopondo1497

4 жыл бұрын

dude, this comment should be pinned for everyone and esp Eric to see. THESE PEOPLE WILL NEVER LIKE YOU NO MATTER WHAT! FFS

@richardm8807

4 жыл бұрын

@@simplyafederalist you are ignoring your own blindspot though. the knife cuts both ways.

@TheJeremyKentBGross

4 жыл бұрын

It's basically just tone policing.

@wojakwoes3970

4 жыл бұрын

this is the top comment and should have far more upvotes.

This is a 2.5 hour long interview of Eric asking James to modify his methodology, because Eric wishes he could link to Project Veritas. Eric actually believes his left wing friends denounce Project Veritas because they don't like his journalistic methodology. However, this is just an excuse. Why don't Eric's left wing friends denounce CNN, MSNBC, the Washington Post etc? The real reason your friends denounce Project Veritas, is because they know James is a conservative. That's really all there is to it. Eric doesn't care if somebody is a conservative, libertarian or a liberal. He doesn't care if you're a communist or a fascist. He cares about your ideas, and he cares about the truth. If you want your friends to pay attention to stories James covers, you have to tell them to grow up. This isn't James's problem.

James is an American hero in the truest sense. My hat is off to him and I look forward to what he has in store for us. True journalism doesn't have to make you feel good, Eric. It just needs to uncover truth.

@rachelg3417

11 ай бұрын

So well said!

Terrible interview. Eric says to James in the beginning "It's your show too" then when he doesn't win the argument says "Hey, it's my show". Unhinged Eric has some issues.

@r.t.5425

4 жыл бұрын

You’re the only person who pointed this obvious hypocrisy out!

@jstnnnnn

4 жыл бұрын

2:05:40

I respect this dude. He is doing important work.

@jeffreysherman2574

4 жыл бұрын

Which dude?

@austindiver9267

4 жыл бұрын

To be honest willful he doesnt choose politicians... he goes after institutions. So going after journalism hes going to hit more lefties as they tend to make up 88% of journalists. Going after PP hes going to get Democrats as most Republicans disagree with PP... Likewise going after tech companies will yield Democrats and lefties

This is surely one of the most important conversations of the 21st century.. Journalistic ethics.. This needs millions of views

This is my first time listening to Eric, and I keep asking myself why am I still listening to this annoying conversation, and that fact is that I'm still listening to this because I want to hear what O'Keefe is saying. I'm glad to read in the comments that Eric is not usually like this, I'll listen to others of his too.