All I can really say is: I feel so much better in myself, just being able to listen in to conversations like these. It's wonderful listening to you talk to your guests. I'm inspired and hopeful that with folks like you around, we might just all be alright... in the end. Thank you. Again.

@thesocialexchangepodcast3022

4 жыл бұрын

Agree, and omments like these reassure me even more.

Between Eric and Lex Fridman I feel like we're in a golden age of podcasts

@kafka27

4 жыл бұрын

Lex sucks.

@Joel_G_NZ

4 жыл бұрын

@@kafka27 almost as much as your comment history of crybaby comments that everything sucks !

@ahmedmoussa4343

4 жыл бұрын

and sean carroll

@Try_Gratitude.123

4 жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree!

@YawnGod

4 жыл бұрын

Fridman does not impress me.

The only podcast in years that instead of playing at 1.5x speed I had to reduce to .75x speed. Holy heck.

@lancewalker2595

4 жыл бұрын

Ever listened to Camille Paglia?

@9SmartSand6

4 жыл бұрын

Lance Walker - Since you mentioned someone by name that I was not familiar with, I naturally had to look into it, and, yeah....I get it.

@lancewalker2595

4 жыл бұрын

@@9SmartSand6 New fan?

@9SmartSand6

4 жыл бұрын

Of Camille Paglia? Too early to tell. Took a long time to decide about Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson. I try to immerse myself in a lot of a particular person's released content before adopting a 'fan' or 'meh, not so much' adjudication.

@aetherllama8398

4 жыл бұрын

I was listening at 1.25x and my head almost exploded 7 minutes in. I could follow Agnes, but Eric puts complex ideas into sentences faster than I can decode them sometimes.

Timestaps of interest: 49:33 (parents and cowardice) 58:00 (ethical suit) 1:53:00 (Are you f**king kidding)

This woman reminds me of the way I used to be. Constant mental rumination over what I now consider to be essentially false "problems". I leave open the possibility that I am wrong of course, and that these are actually really important problems, but I've ruminated so much over these things for so long that I no longer have much of a desire to continue these ruminations. They do not aid my well being at all and I don't think they even aid my understanding very much.

@juancpgo

4 жыл бұрын

What should we ruminate about? Just math and physics? Actually, that may be right.. However, it's sad to imagine a world without philosophy and theology-even if all they did was wordplay, I would consider it beautiful and inspiring fiction. And actually, the absence of answer is itself an answer, it does give some relief.

@KAIZORIANEMPIRE

4 жыл бұрын

@@juancpgo well with maths and physics there is potential to create more pragmatic distinctions. You can create new energy machines or increase our life time through technology. But philosophy reaches a point where we already have abstracted things to the end . Our resolution is limited using this frame. Mathematics is just like philosophy except it has more near absolute answers. The language us more robust and distinctions can be made. Now there is a new mathematics made from objects so it's essentially like pure abstraction

@williamkoscielniak820

4 жыл бұрын

@@juancpgo If I look at philosophy and theology from an aesthetic lens and engage in the subject matter playfully then I would agree with you. My own issues come in when I take these problems dead seriously and without a playful spirit. Then I just become ill and I never actually come to any solutions.

@raulzaha3096

4 жыл бұрын

@rockster10101 But the fact in itself that it's not satisfying to come to a non-peaceful conclusion to one's self, makes it so you never come to a solution. That is to say, if when I reach a "conclusion" I realise that the "conclusion" is not satisfactory, then I haven't arrived at a "conclusion" yet. I just raised another "problem" which aims to come to that "satisfactory conclusion". At this point we've come back full circle (if we stop here), but if we continue on, we've got ourselves a near endless spiral. It's at this point that I agree with OP. These ruminations might lead somewhere, but it's so easy to see where a spiral ends once you notice its pattern, it becomes at the very most boring.

@zapazap

4 жыл бұрын

What is a 'false problem'? Unsolvable? Unimportant?

Holy cow. The last 20 minutes is the most exciting thing in the history of podcasting! This convo started out fun, then got muddled and hard to follow, then suddenly BAM!

@nwalton125

3 жыл бұрын

The biathlon insight was great!

Eric conducts a 2 hour interview with a kaliedoscope. Brilliant!

@charlesrump5771

4 жыл бұрын

Both literally and metaphorically true.

@dandurham1922

Жыл бұрын

Devastating.

"the whole thing kind of descends into an orgy of analysis on analysis on analysis" Haha

@JerdGuillaumeSam

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Nomski Right. I ask myself do I need the minutia.

@cosmicmuffet1053

4 жыл бұрын

@@JerdGuillaumeSam It's not the volume of the minutia, it's how you use it. You know; To penetrate an issue.

@callmedeno

4 жыл бұрын

Otherwise known as over-intellectualizing

@carbon1479

4 жыл бұрын

You missed an even bigger gem at 1:05:45: For example you can say that self-gratification is natural and normal and that the world engages in this almost without exception. You cannot say 'I'm sorry I was late for the meetings - I spent the morning lost in Onanism'.

@imogenrex6286

4 жыл бұрын

is this dancing around ideas, what academics do in foreplay? Fun for them, tedious over time for us!

"Orgy of analyses upon analyses" What an eloquent way of saying "circlejerk".

@drkmatterchscake49

3 жыл бұрын

I didnt even pick up on that lol

Over an hour in, I have no clue what she is ultimately getting at. And I have written my thesis on Aristotle. I hope they manage to get another philosopher to cover..whatever the topic was supposed to be.

@tarico4436

4 жыл бұрын

You are not alone, Max. I like her outfit, a lot, and I like her as a person. But she's a great example of how we're speeding toward the Dark Ages in science. She's post post modernism with an emphasis on her. And her-ism. In my lab I used heuristics to--oh, nevermind. Now I'm starting to sound like her, correct?

@willielast

4 жыл бұрын

She sounded no different to any other philosopher to me

@maxstruktur2544

4 жыл бұрын

@@tarico4436 only in so far as I don't know what you're ultimately getting at ;)

@zapazap

4 жыл бұрын

@@tarico4436 If you mean incomprehensible, then yes, though I found her comprehensible. A lot of it, at the start, seemed like two people calibrating their conversations toward each other.

@zapazap

4 жыл бұрын

@John Frylock I am involuntarily celebate.

The kinda podcast where I have to look up a word every 5-10 minutes. Just to fully comprehend this dialouge. My favorite.

@MrSporkster

4 ай бұрын

That's how you know they're saying very little of substance.

Look at this guy just pumping out these episodes, right on!

I love how calmly heated that discussion was towards the end.

@wabbittv8923

4 жыл бұрын

Starting around 1:45:00 made the whole thing worth while....

@schade7601

4 жыл бұрын

It irked me. I don’t understand how the ethics professor couldn’t see any problem with a system that uses people and casts them to the side. Forget the possible future advances those people might have made, how don’t you see that as wrong on a human/moral level.

@RubberDuckling5789

4 жыл бұрын

tim horton I understand your feelings of annoyance. Nevertheless it’s best to remain calm in these situations in order to create constructive dialogue. The angrier we get, the less rational we are. And that’s true quite literally when you watch where all the blood in the brain is going.

Last 10 minutes - yes! Thank you for saying this. It drives me mad that people refer to lecturers as teachers, and universities as "schools". Lecturing and mentoring are important but different mechanisms to teaching, and you go to a university to learn, but not to be schooled. America seems to share the bulk of the blame for the deterioration in this distinction as well.

Thank you for this Eric.

Eric "I'm a huge fan of arriving" Weinstein.

@BK-en1uo

4 жыл бұрын

And then he chokes on this innuendo

@makessense7095

4 жыл бұрын

This lol

@deviklovecraft3835

4 жыл бұрын

Bwah ! 🤣

At 1:53:00 that was amazing! I've never seen someone unleash their anger in such an elegant way. Perfection! The Portal keeps getting better and better. Keep it going Eric!

@yogameditationinsight

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this timestamp. I found the first 20 minutes of listening to her talk very aggravating and almost gave up on the conversation, then scrolled through the comments and found this gem. Wouldn't have wanted to miss this! Thank you.

@potowogreedo

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasrowland954 it's something you can get used to, I think it's worth it. When you're vs someone as sharp and quick as Eric you're going to go in with general shapes and abstract away so as not to get caught on some hasty example.

@Mistersamweller

4 жыл бұрын

Let me echo what Lauren said... thank you for the timestamp. Unlike Lauren, I did give up around the 30 minute mark.

@tommymillett1675

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mistersamweller glad to help! Yeah I had it running in the background while doing another task. I didn't really follow most of her ideas. When I heard Eric's epic rebuttal, I rewinded it and listened to that segment a few times over. It was great! Haha

@JamesScottGuitar

4 жыл бұрын

You know it’s getting good when you hear Eric say, “Are you fucking kidding me????”

If someone comes on the show with an outfit like that... ima need them to stand up so I can understand what's going on.

@nicknomski8399

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah Eric's suit jacket, I mean, what's he thinking??

@blackmarketgoodness5715

4 жыл бұрын

Where did she buy those harlequin pants???

@JackAndTheBeanstalkr

4 жыл бұрын

It's her version of a Klein bottle

@wonderingbird6369

4 жыл бұрын

@@JackAndTheBeanstalkr I wouldn't be surprised. Was that sarcastic?

@mirroredname3389

4 жыл бұрын

Its hard to answer someone that does this when you know. But i had some initial thoughts from before that.

Refreshingly honest and thoughtful conversations Eric - please keep going!

Prof. Agnes: "Suppose you're gonna reproduce yourself in me, how are you gonna do that without teaching me?" You know, like in the porno.

@ParameterGrenze

4 жыл бұрын

Sleazy jazz music starts playing.

@nikwaggoner2480

4 жыл бұрын

The PrOn$

I enjoy this interaction very much. The weaving and stitching of contexts together to this very lovely tapestry. There is a respectable friendship evolving on a level that is not shared by many. Great job guys!

Say, "I felt hurt" rather than, "that hurt me" - as if someone else DID something TO ME creates a victim mentality. "What's your response now?" (After this intellectual war I say Let's get into feelings where I can blame you for my hurt) this is a perfect example of our collective struggle with blaming each other for our own negative emotions 💔

@webbedtoes2

4 жыл бұрын

My favorite so far. The way you navigated the layers gracefully and respectfully dissagreed while staying focused on moving the conversation forward is REVOLUTIONARY. WELL DONE 🤩

@Bruhaha9

4 жыл бұрын

It's too easy to say nothing I ever do or say should hurt you. It's all about how you react. It excuses terrible things. There's a place for avoiding blame and a place for, if not assigning blame, then causing hard reflection and acceptance that one has done something wrong.

@nicknomski8399

4 жыл бұрын

He (Eric) did at least then go to lengths in explaining the context and why he felt the way he did. Still it would have been funny if she'd replied "snowflake"...

9:35 analyzing my previous level of analysis infinitely is just the last time i took mushrooms

Clothes: look at me Body language: don't look at me

@BMWSRR-yd6do

4 жыл бұрын

Ahahaha, enter someone with a PhD - people that revel in the minutiae of subject or matter but rarely see the obvious...

@zxjacko

3 жыл бұрын

the 21st century feminine paradox

I almost spit my coffee all over the place in laughter because I had just taken sip when Eric said: "You cannot say; "I'm sorry I was late for the meeting, I spent the morning lost in Onanism"

@here7036

4 жыл бұрын

Very funny but also why I don't much like this world

Was Eric trying to tell her that she has bad breath? I thought the universally accepted solution was to offer someone a mint... but that does still leave some ambiguity. I suppose that's an example of favoring grace over truth.

@DrLimbic

4 жыл бұрын

I can't offer complimentary gum without someone going" oh heavens, do I have had breath??" And then killing themselves with fire. Bad breath isn't quite the conundrum Eric thinks it is.

@TarotReaderASMR

4 жыл бұрын

He didn't offer a mint. He offered a hint.

1:55:48 My new favorite Eric Weinstein quote. I want a soundbite of this ready to play at all times, from now on

One of the best things I've ever viewed on KZread. Love this podcast!

22:50 Eric: "did you just say quadripartite?" Agnes: "Yes" Eric: "I've never said that!"

2:02:00 I'm also disturbed by her indifference to the human element. Eric makes the pragmatic objection, but I think it's the lesser objection. I would have made the ethical objection that it's never excusable to rob people of the rewards, material or otherwise, of their contributions. Because unethical behavior is unsustainable by definition. So the ethical objection makes the pragmatic objection for itself. Actually Eric tied those together too. The prestige rewards aren't a want, they're a need. The system falls apart without them. It's strange if she doesn't see the ways in which indifference to this kind of thing happening to other people foreshadows it happening to her. Maybe it speaks to her degree of devotion to the ideas, her field or human progress in abstract, and I sympathize with that, but the moral ungrounding is worrying and dangerous.

@zapazap

4 жыл бұрын

Remember though the context of that part of the discussion was whether she found it worth her time viewing the episode rather than reading a transcript. What captivated her was the discovery about the lab mice, not Brent's personal misfortune. And that represents no nastiness on her part.

@drwestlund

4 жыл бұрын

ive come to the messed up conclusion that the amount of people who can truly understand the dynamics of this type of conversation entirely is very very very small. very very. I sometimes think someone is getting it only to find out they really arent. Breaks my heart really.

@jeffnador9594

3 жыл бұрын

I would say that the 'prestige' rewards specifically aren't a need, but that the system falls apart without some proxy for them. That is, by prestige rewards I assume you mean things like authorships in high impact journals, tenure, grants and prizes. Personally, as a postdoc, I feel less inclined to do the work for the prestige and more for the impact it could have--but I live with the fact that my work happens in a system where that prestige is necessary for my work to continue and so I seek it. So for me (and I'm sure some others who do research) the gaining and transmission of knowledge is its own reward. And in at least my case, it *is* the proxy. My thinking is that these 'prestige' rewards are far out of alignment with the reality of academia's practicalities. We're quickly reaching a point where these will either need to change to reflect reality, or academic contributions will become more scarce. I say this in the sense that ending promising academic lineages over economic externalities is essentially cutting the tree of knowledge off at the root, because we prefer not to have to rake up its leaves.

There are as many ways to be brave as there are fears.

4:41 Eric describes his weekend

@andrewbaumann2661

4 жыл бұрын

Eric describes his Tuesday morning.

I get what she's talking about around 7 min mark - I used to work in music business and it would be pretty weird being in the backstage with very famous musicians, as part of the deal to be deemed a suitable player to be in that area is that you don't acknowledge them as having a higher status - it's a strange world. One time in the queue to get food I was in front of Bjork and we both reached for the same serving spoon, but she was sort of getting ahead of her place in the queue - I had to give her a funny look and she said 'sorry'. Just really weird, very Larry David. You almost feel like you have to treat people with less 'normal' manners than usual, just to prove you aren't star struck.

@harryradley

4 жыл бұрын

Great story, I thought there would be a lot more "don't you know who I am!?" in that world. I suppose it's the nature of how information spreads: outsiders aren't aware of all these kinds of little events because there's nothing to sensationalise about them.

@justhayden15

4 жыл бұрын

I've spent some time in the film industry and know exactly what you're talking about, though for me it was more of a disillusionment than a suppression of their status. Most of the time I'd see them as regular people superficially elevated, and sometimes I'd wonder why they're talking to me and how they knew my name.

@neoepicurean3772

4 жыл бұрын

@Nick FL It is an either/or? I think that having kids and creating a lineage gives you a happiness. Same as the academic lineage. I hadn't watched the whole video when I wrote the original comment - turned out it there was more in here that hit quite close to home. Eric pretty much stumbled around my research proposal, which I'm going to receive an answer on within the next few weeks from Oxford - and I've applied very much using the lineage mentality - to study under professors who were supervised by Parfit and Singer - as I believe that Eric is right and for my work to have a chance in academia you have to go down the lineage route.

@seth4766

4 жыл бұрын

dude. always give Bjork the spoon jesus christ =)

@wabbittv8923

4 жыл бұрын

People treat you how you let them treat you. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dah82cWffqvMgLA.html

Groove is in the heart

@Football__Junkie

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Doyle 😂😂

@genkimachina

4 жыл бұрын

I am coming back to this comment a day after the video because I just got it. Congrats Patrick Doyle, I play my slide whistle for you.

@jimwolfgang9433

4 жыл бұрын

@@Football__Junkie Dig 😉

I loved this conversation! The discussion on Rawl's veil of ignorance was very interesting.

39:00 maybe this is why her circular logic of analyzing the analysis never comes to an end? Because we're trying to use linear temporal cause and effect to explain our thoughts.. When in reality, perhaps thoughts are not linear, nor linear through cause and effect. Sometimes hearing her talk, i feel like she's trying to find the "end" of a closed circle. And i'm just sitting here with popcorn in my hand like.... "Don't you understand? The whole thing IS the beginning AND the end, you cant analyze your way down to find the root of it. It's all emergent at once."

@gunsnhex5636

4 жыл бұрын

Well said... But, am I OR are you the solipsist HOMUNCULUS at the centre experiencing ALL of THIS WESTWORLD? 😎

@gunsnhex5636

4 жыл бұрын

Your answers well right...

@heartbeatplantation795

4 жыл бұрын

I think the answer lies in brets theory of dying. Cells have to ballance the capacity to reproduce with the capacity of one cell going nuts and killing you. It's the same with philosophy. The same with the philosopher who figured "it is" would be the only true statement. Insted of adding more categories the most sensful thing is to expand the statement to "it is relevant". Things become real when you have to balance ressources and time.

@onetwothree4148

3 жыл бұрын

I think she's right, she just didn't state her point well enough. In fact her argument has analogy with Brett's physics unification theory. You can't just move on past the "little" issue of the inability to assume time has a Euclidean unit of measure. Anything you build after that has to make assumptions regarding it, and they are almost certainly wrong.

A key objective of this venture is to maintain a good faith conversation no matter the degree of disagreement. This, was evidenced here by a) the relatively high level of disagreement, and b) the high level of regard verbalised by Eric towards Agnes upon closing the interview. (I trust and hope Agnes holds mutual regard)

I am also intrigued by common things which it is not socially acceptable to discuss honestly. The primary example that comes to mind is that we have no polite way of saying: "I think you're a perfectly decent person. But I don't want to spend any more time with you, because I already have enough friends."

@slimshady8408

4 жыл бұрын

You guys are like the kid with the magnifying glass looking at the ants and shit.. We're the aliens chilling up in LEO using our InfiniFutureTech 4000000000 MEGAPIXEL multi-wave Camera to look down on you and laugh. Back the fuck up a bit, he the Wide-angle view on life a bit.

@georgewatts6221

4 жыл бұрын

You're not important enough to be so dismissive. The animated comedy “Big Mouth ” takes on most of your problems. Andrew....

I listened to this with great relish. it is not easy to follow but it has intellectual integrity and I am glad a conversation of this kind is a thing in the world of podcasting.

You're killing it, Eric!!

34:14: "breathe with me..."

@carbon1479

4 жыл бұрын

Psychosomatic, addict, insane!

1:51:00 This cloud looks like a dark version of Taleb's concept of skin in the game. When the only way to survive in an environment is to cheat, then everyone is complicit in the lie of their own accomplishments and, ultimately, narrative. And so everyone has skin in the game of protecting the lie. If the next generation wants to rise they'll have to become complicit in protecting the lie that their predecessors aren't protecting a lie.

@mslowiko1984

4 жыл бұрын

Kind of, but the lie can be diminished from one cohort to the next, and from one set of plays in the game to the next. This would require a third level of players, who are complicit within the lie, but who also are working to diminish the importance of lying within the game. I would say hard but not impossible.

this is a fantastic discussion. Thank you so much for doing this Eric! huge appreciation!

"HIPOCRICY = WHAT A GREAT DEAL" ahhaha holy shit I love this guy

@jamesdean7412

4 жыл бұрын

Tons of adderall. I said that to myself over and over.

This might be my favorite interview you've done. The part where you were like: WTF?!! was epic.

@crapsack47

4 жыл бұрын

Do you remember the time stamp for that? Can’t make it through the whole thing

@LockSteady

4 жыл бұрын

@@crapsack47 1:52:00 it goes from "you're awesome, thank you" to "ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME AGNES?"

Thanks again eric

Wonderful! One of my take-aways relates to argument: We think to understand or to do some good. You are thinking because you want to do some good. You get frustrated when you run into opposition to doing some good. I am thinking because I want to understand. I get frustrated when I run into impediments to understanding. We are on different paths…but we may not be aware of it.

Genius and originality cannot necessarily be taught but it can inspire. In my opinion there are now far too many "paint by numbers" PhD's who live in a smug little bubble that they've created for themselves, pal reviewing each others work and playing the academic/corporate game. If you're in your in, if you're out you're out. Eric is exposing this for what it is, a proliferation of the mediocre.

59:07 The Virtues of innocence is a bad legacy of Christianity Original Sin: "Am I a joke to you?"

@shamsam4

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thought.

@Confluence358

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, I read this comment before listening, and thought there MUST be some context that explains it. But nope. Haha, orthodox Christianity literally teaches the opposite of what she says it does -- that we are all born stained and evil, tainted by original sin.

@Derna1804

4 жыл бұрын

@austin M Not to mention that two thirds of the people in the country are Christians, so supposing that Christian ideas are a "legacy" demonstrates extreme isolation from broader society by members of the dominant atheist culture in academia.

@drackaris_

4 жыл бұрын

@@Derna1804 Meh to some extent i agree but 90% of christians i talk to have never read the bible and maybe go to church twice a year. Saying two third of our country is christian may be true by category but not by practice.

@Derna1804

4 жыл бұрын

@@drackaris_ If we take the definition away from identification and redefine it as a category by practice, the percentage of the population that is Christian in practice, because the entire civilization is built upon Christian axioms. The majority of atheists, for example, believe in Christian values even if many of them think they're just so clever they came up with those values on their own. American Jews also hold values that don't come directly from Judaism but grew out of Christianity and growing up with Christians for successive generations.

Her brain is so overclocked, she needs to keep it cool with her hand.

@merfymac

4 жыл бұрын

It's easy to conflate overclocked speech with overclocked brain. Cattle auctioneers par ex.

I know the podcast is gonna be good when Eric can go "go on" or "say more" and the guest immediately gets it.

I think this is the conversation that convinced me of your commitment to the goals and spirit of this project.

Dude, u kinda steam rolled her. And ur brother too. Ur starting to sound like network anchors pushing personal agendas onto their guests. Your interviewees are interestingly eclectic and it is inspiring to hear diverse perspectives find common ground. But I subscribed to The Portal to hear you and find your solo podcasts most insightful. I understand there's multi benefits to having guests. But personally, I'd love to see you unleash the beast on this audience and those who try to suppress varied ideas. #IDW

@YolandHB

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Jonathan Nagy I agree with him doing more solo podcasts. I also believe that this type of conversation makes more progress than the typical podcast because he can challenge people. Just because a perspective is different doesn’t mean it’s correct or incorrect. Head to another podcast if you like common ground. Ideas don’t get challenged at the rate they do on this podcast anywhere else.

The one thing I can take away from this conversation is that my English vocabulary is limited 😂

@slimshady8408

4 жыл бұрын

My English vocabulary was very, very extensive. After I bounced my head off the street after crashing it through a windshield, and waking up in Madigan Army Hospital my vocabulary was about as varied as a.. shit IDK can't think of the word 🤷‍♂️

@mlbonfox8199

4 жыл бұрын

Chandan Banakar So your gonna add (um ,umm now

Fascinating. These broadcasts are blissful.

wow, another great talk, thank you Agnes and Eric 👏💪

By far one of my favorite episodes. The contrast between the early vs the later conversation was really something beautiful. That shift at the end caused me almost physical agony. I mean that in a good way. I've never seen these kinds of honest intimate conversations during an interview. I think I learned something about my own shortcomings. I listened on Spotify first then came back to watch the video on KZread. Sorry for the crazy rant but I really think this was great. Thanks

@wabbittv8923

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, she intellectualizes for the sake of knowing herself. Eric intellectualizes for the sake of knowing the world. What she brings out of Eric is impressive. They are very Ying & Yang. Especially starting around 1:45:00 ...

Please invite some one else as well when discussing philosophy,its a vast field

The dynamic between these two is interesting and different from his previous guests. Either way, a great talk between two powerful minds.

I love how she constantly switches between the abstract and the concrete seamlessly.

I can not believe you just equated words with violence and it tells me you are so sheltered and have never really seen violence. If you have experienced physical violence to yourself and you can compare that to words that any person spoke. We really are living in two different worlds. Not only financially which is obvious by where you sit.

I am struggling with the "ums". Think I will go eat a cookie. The Girl Scouts appreciate my altruism.

@jackthomsen7197

3 жыл бұрын

Stacey Krech -- the Ums? How about the “likes” - er, the ya knows, and um, the all around cues that THIS, IS NOT AN INTELLECTUAL

this is one of my favorite Portals. thanks Eric

This 'stepping back' concept - reminds me of the action where we tilt our head in order to get a different perspective on an idea and it's probably physical origin of the actual 3 dimensional alteration of the perspective of the studied object- stepping back from one perspective and shifting the cognitive 'perception' of the idea at hand...

You guys should have started with the last 10 min and done 2 hours on that theme

One of the best talks so far. I'm really loving how Eric has an open structure of mind, enough so that he's learning and developing before our very eyes.

I would like to join the Discord group and learn Gauge Theory. Anyone have a live link?

Great episode. Thank you!

You're going to talk about EVERYTHING? I'm in.

This is the first Portal episode I'm having trouble finishing.

@jdcampbell9613

4 жыл бұрын

John R it’s reductive and an argument about language. I’m here with you.

@censorshipbites7545

4 жыл бұрын

@@jdcampbell9613 I started off hopeful and gave up about 30 min in. It's an esoteric intellectual conversation with no real world applicability; in short, intellectual masturbation.

He is such a genius it hurts my head. It is cool to be a fly on the wall with such smart people.

To formulate an argument against all of Philosophy is its self a philosophical enterprise which means the argument is fatal to itself or to put it in your preferred lingo, self-extinguishing.

Anges uses what she opposes and mixes her categories. "You can't just divide up the world" and then goes on saying "there are just 2 things", "1 exception"... I think she is a thinker but lacks the ability solidify concepts (not creating absolutes but forming sufficient categories). She's feeling a truth in an unstructured format. It's like streaming a movie over slow bandwidth and it's broken. Eric on the other hand is masterfully crisp and perceptive and encapsulates sufficient topics. For me this was more of an interview on Eric

@user-PyR064

4 жыл бұрын

Herman Geldenhuys I guess you can attribute that to the particular fields they occupy

@thePlayer787

4 жыл бұрын

Goes back to the utility of hypocrisy as a moral philosophy.

I love Weinstein and the Portal, but it’s clear he has met his match in this interview. Below is an analysis. I ultimately wish Eric spend less time trying to get his guest to think the way he does about the question, and more time trying to internalize the guest’s response. This is how to be intellectually playful, which is why I watch the podcast. So it is disappointing when the play is stunted. Here are a few instances: 10:21 - Callard shows that the illusion of the tower is false, because the tower implies each rung as independent of the others. She argues there is a collapse of the tower, that layer 0 is not static but through learning at layer N, layer 0 changes, and can be descended back to to make progress. Weinstein does not internalize and cannot play. 17:19 - Callard collapses the infinite regress and makes it finite by making the regress common knowledge. Weinstein doesn’t pick up on it and cannot play. Later, at 36:50 Weinstein says that finding the eigenvector, or the un-altered, input to this puzzle would be philosophically interesting, yet he was not able to see that this eigenvector was already provided. The eigenvector of infinite recursion is the fixed-point combinator. 34:09 - Callard discusses the arbitrariness of a categorization that Weinstein has created for himself that is just words if it cannot express contradictions. Again Weinstein does not internalize this and cannot play. There are more examples but in general Callard is consistently playing, even when faced with intense dismissiveness, and Weinstein is consistently stunting the play. Acts like 1:01:28 and 1:15:48 is playfulness on full display by Callard where she absorbs, enhances and reflects. Ultimately I am highlighting these points because I think the interviewing can be improved for the betterment of the series if this argument is internalized.

@Socrates...

4 жыл бұрын

David Valdman Weinstein is articulate but only interested in his own ideas therefore shallow, not a good host but a good guest

@dmvaldman

4 жыл бұрын

@@Socrates... yes, which is especially concerning given that the ideals of the podcast are to give space to ideas that have been dismissed by entities bent on establishing a different narrative.

Great discussion! Loved it as usual. Thank you!

Ending is so telling. Thank you for creating this podcast

What happened to "the Pornal"?!

@DrLimbic

4 жыл бұрын

Lol. You get a star.

@Socrates...

4 жыл бұрын

It's all Pornal

@wabbittv8923

4 жыл бұрын

This is intellectual porn et al.

She was intellectually intimidated, she wrote an article as therapy, Eric invited her on.

@blaizecalistro4164

4 жыл бұрын

Which article?

@marmoset3

4 жыл бұрын

@@blaizecalistro4164 Look into the intro text below the video starting, "Agnes began...", and then bear in mind her first impressions of Eric on their first meeting.

@smashedhulk8492

3 жыл бұрын

Seems so.

Thank you again, Eric.

Eric, keep it up Brother... Fascinating, mind expanding guests.

This video ramped slowly for me and was edifying primarily from the point of view of watching two intellectuals mate. It's a psychological drama wearing intellectual clothes. In the first 30 minutes, we go through the pseudo-self-effacing "status doesn't matter...but it does" dance. For example: - "Two [name drop] friends of mine found you interesting so I thought that I might" - "I Googled you so that gave me some basis." - Etc. Then, after an interesting historic tour of philosophy, our two players present their personal internal frameworks: - "Courage is what makes life worth living," she says - "The meaning of life is the struggle to impart meaning to me," he counters Act III is a maddening debate centered around how many levels of detachment we can contemplate. How "meta" can we truly be? It depends on how smart and zen we are I guess. This part made me feel that the unexamined life truly is worth living. In the last 30 minutes, we get Agnes committing the mortal (for Eric) sin and saying that it's the science that matters and not the scientists. And in the context of Eric's brother! And possibly not watching that episode of the Portal (for which she only has middling affection) closely enough. For shame. Eric pounces. High drama ensues. This is the Portal at its best IMO - navigating the intersection of science and the establishment.

@nicknomski8399

4 жыл бұрын

Arguably a very underrated comment! 👍

Nice pants suit. Best I've seen in 50 years.

@dr.johnpaladinshow9747

4 жыл бұрын

@Marcus Cato One of the few remaining.

I can only speak for myself but I find your podcasts incredibly valuable, much more so than my time...

the spaces that Agnes creates in this dialogue is the portal .....they are exquisite

What I find fascinating about hyper intellectual people is how they will go into a bubble and over analyze everything with in that bubble... and everything they know from then on comes from the perspective of being in that bubble. I think because of that they tend to go in circles and get stuck. I think what happens to a lot of modern philosophers is they are building a castle on things they assume are true with out questioning the nature of truth in the first place. My point is that she seemed to obfuscate the conversation a lot on purpose because Eric is basically an intellectual giant. I still enjoyed this. Eric should have more philosophers on from every perspective though to tackle this subject.

@kensurrency2564

4 жыл бұрын

Bern Brown Yes I noticed that early on. She tended to fall back on learned concepts rather than develop unique ideas of her own. It’s an easy crutch to lean on the familiar, but it’s much more rewarding when you make a breakthrough by leaving the bubble and taking a chance. Eric loves to provocate and challenge people. It’s an especially strong gift.

@IndagatorAD4

4 жыл бұрын

Bern Brown - Actually doing “a thing” should help avoid that mistake of obfuscation. A philosopher who mostly reads from a book might struggle to zero in on finality of thought. Simplicity IS the wheel for the luggage. 🤘🤓🙏 Much appreciate the content and would enjoy even more from these two.

@KravMagoo

4 жыл бұрын

I think you are assuming/concluding that Eric "won" (or however else you want to quantify it) this discussion. I think they both made valid points.

@IndagatorAD4

4 жыл бұрын

Krav Magoo - not concluding but, I agree my statement has flare to it. Mostly looking forward to the discourse I may draw out. I agree with your final sentence one hundred percent. 🤓🙏

@KravMagoo

4 жыл бұрын

@@kensurrency2564 Yeah, yeah...innovation--but, innovation is MEANINGLESS if the innovation INSTANTLY becomes "old hat" worthy of dismissal. If someone responds to conditional challenge and "achieves a breakthrough by taking a chance"...how much time does that breakthrough have to bask in its honeymoon phase before it becomes a ball-and-chain? It sounds like you're suggesting (even though you don't realize it) that every "breakthrough" is merely a new "crutch of the familiar" just coming off the production line. That seems to be overly dismissive. You sound like an disenfranchised junkie acolyte of the cult of the "new", where "new is the new old". My point is "the familiar" isn't always somehow lacking in value. Abandoning the timeless in favor of the recent is not wisdom.

Wait pause... She said, hold on to your question tightly and make sure the answer you get is the true answer not just a truth.😎👍

RE:Telling someone they have bad breath I know someone who does a "So and So does this and it annoys me" to tell me that he doesn't like it when I do it. It works because I can verify if I do that thing. "So and so has bad breath and I don't know how to tell him" isn't direct enough because I don't have the knowledge that the statement applies to me either before or after I hear the statement. The trick is faux plausible deniability. I don't know how to get it with the bad breath example.

@derrickk773

4 жыл бұрын

Brene Brown discusses it from the perspective of considering vulnerability and daring. What you are scared of seems to be shame. I don't know. Just an idea.

I really enjoy Eric discussing philosophy... about any topic or domain just becoming Meta...is a beautiful thing to listen to.

The intro is so cool.

Oh god, now that I can see what she looks like it all makes sense.

@UNcommonSenseAUS

4 жыл бұрын

oh yeah. she is unbearable.

@colincruickshank7679

4 жыл бұрын

said the fella with an anime picture, who calls himself "Malkavian"! :D

@wabbittv8923

4 жыл бұрын

I think the comments are a little harsh on Prof Agnes. She intellectualizes for the sake of knowing herself. Eric intellectualizes for the sake of knowing the world. What she brings out of Eric is impressive. They are very Ying & Yang. Especially starting around 1:45:00 ... everything before that is intellectual "foreplay"

I thoroughly appreciate this woman!

An hour in, this reminds me of my early therapy sessions...

34:20 To be able to simply pull out that Hegel quote in the middle of a conversation is just... mind blowing to me. How obscure is that particular line and to throw it into this situation and have it be contextually relevant is just... I don't know... I'm mystified.

@mouwersor

2 жыл бұрын

It would be more interesting if he wanted to talk about the contents of it tho... It seemed like he memorized it specifically for the conversation as an example of those silly willy philosophers

Eric talking to someone he introduces as a Professor at a University: "You don't understand what a University is. It's something special" Also Eric: "The problem with the university is its a confusion." It amazes that despite Eric not being in academia or involved with a university, he derives so much self proclaimed authority to comment as if he should be... So interesting to watch him struggle to come to terms with his own perceptions and status. Constantly redefining his posturing and status to maintain a perception of correctness in matters he is obviously less experienced with. Social ingroup speech patterns "my field" and "in mathematics" is exactly what an outsider posturing to assert inclusion and status would say in such a conversation

@____uncompetative

Жыл бұрын

"It amazes that despite Eric not being in academia or involved with a university..." Dr Eric R Weinstein has a PhD in Mathematical Physics from Harvard University. He presented a lecture on his speculative program towards defining a fundamental _Unified Field Theory_ at Oxford University in 2013. He has had interested feedback on _Geometric Unity_ from Dr Nima Akani-Hamed in the year since publishing his draft paper on the initial instantiation of his ideas.

when talking about meta-level, reality bounces back @11:36s. awesome synchrony !

I’m re listening to this. It’s kinda painful but I need it.

Although this was much better on video than audio, making Eric's points about watching vs. listening particularly fitting, I still came away a little uneasy (if less than after my first listen). And to qualify everything that follows, I'm a big fan of the project, and I truly feel drawn to Eric's background and outlook on most issues. Anyway, Agnes came across as a great guest and great conversationalist, her points and examples were actually really interesting to me, and yet I felt like Eric was unduly animose throughout, and that hurt the experience for me (personally). Whatever the mentioned article was, I had no access to that, nor to their previous discussions. Letting these things pervade the conversation so much, along with interrupting her, in my opinion, much more than necessary, instead of focusing on the conversation at hand, was at the very least confusing. And I really wish I didn't have to mention it but, in my mind, it was quite uncivil and uncalled for to defensively use profanity, etc. towards the end. And I didn't understand the quick cut-off and no time for Agnes to make any final statement - if it was because of time constraints mentioned behind the scenes, I feel that it should have been mentioned during the podcast. All that aside, don't get me wrong, the guests really have been great and the conversations rich and stimulating, so keep up the good work.

@mregskwach6037

4 жыл бұрын

I disagree. I think she is obviously, and self-admittedly, very socially unaware at best. Her own story of publicly lecturing about how she feels no guilt for cheating on her husband is very telling of a nearly sociopathic personality. Eric was perfectly justified in being completely appalled by her lack of understanding what was at stake. She seems to have no understanding of the consequences of pharmaceutical industry having no accountability for its major fuckups that affect billions of people. She is damn near psychotic, and Eric was right to notice and respond to it.

@icygood101

4 жыл бұрын

Fine to disagree with me but you're obviously misrepresenting her and tossing around psychopathy terms as if you had any business diagnosing people in the youtube comment section, let alone anywhere at all.

Think, blaming Aristotle for his views about slavery and his positioning on women is not helpful, although it is telling quite a bit about his sense of justice-compass. But he was swimming in the meaning ocean of his time, as also Socrates did. Heidegger is another case, being even too stubborn to recognize his fails afterwards. Wagner was truly tending towards antisemitism, which does not say he would have endorsed Hitler as his later family did. His music, when appreciated with its pompous structures and sounds, I can listen without permanent awareness of the founders' mentality. In general, with mind and reason workers, like philosophers, I'm more rejective, more strict, rejecting almost everything they said when as a character too contaminated. In the other hand, rejecting waterproof terms and equations of mathematicians or physicists with wrong mindsets, would only be stupid, although there would still be a shadow around such findings.

@slimshady8408

4 жыл бұрын

Nahhhhh.

This is most interesting podcast I've heard in a long time, (both this episode specifically and the podcast as a whole too)

Really enjoy your show, and great view! The most important thing I learned in school was "examine your premise"..... along with art is dialectic....(both from my art history teacher)