Just to support Eric's suggestion: Yes, do a series with Bret! Make this a regular part of our lives! We - the people - like it!

@jjuniper274

4 жыл бұрын

I know the Weinsteins are likely too smart for this, but man I wish men/people like THIS would run for political office or at least be on some damn committees! Such talent!

@kennymcfadden266

4 жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely!

@LetsFindOut1

4 жыл бұрын

i second this. watching regular discussions between these two would give insight into fascinating ideas AND an example of how to dialogue with others. ( family included)

@manifold1476

4 жыл бұрын

I would not only subscribe, I would click the notification bell too!

@MrCarloss510

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

Once Bret starts telling his actual story, this very quickly becomes a holy shit moment. This is a fascinating story in both the drama of what happened to Bret, and in the biological and medical discovery.

@blackmarketgoodness5715

4 жыл бұрын

My theory as a psychotherapist is that highly empathic folks tend to get infected by those without empathy; the Bretts wind up losing their authority to tyrants they are wired to understand rather than subdue.

@ramonbartsch3496

4 жыл бұрын

time stamp?

@jjuniper274

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe ... the release from Evergreen has allowed this public conversation? I personally think a great researcher like Bret should be at a medical facility, like Mayo Clinic, so he could advance human care.

@notmyrealpseudonym6702

4 жыл бұрын

@@benisrood maybe the empathetic are also targeting the sociopaths.

@oscarlohens8586

4 жыл бұрын

@@notmyrealpseudonym6702 I can confirm this is true.

The greatest gift of all is a brother who believes you are more than you think you are. It’s the most touching thing I’ve ever seen.

@TerryStewart32

3 жыл бұрын

His brother was impeccable as a student and studied with some of the leading biologists in the field and Bret Weinstein isn’t been recognised for this which angers his brother Eric Weinstein because Eric views Brett as a man who is on the same level as any of the leading biologists out there but people don’t look at Brett like that because he choose to teach at an unknown university rather than a top Ivy League institution like Harvard or Princeton which would automatically guarantee his fame, prestige and the fact that he would be taken seriously by everyone including the leading biologists out there. Bret Weinstein is just looked upon as an ordinary teacher or professor when he’s a high level mind whose potential is been wasted on a low level institution that holds back his talent rather than enhance it

@jenniferflaherty730

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree! I'm sending this to my 2 brothers who haven't spoken in years and showing them that love can be communicated differently between them but it's still love.

@jenniferflaherty730

3 жыл бұрын

BTW.... another interesting layer to their discussion is the blatant snobbery that exists in academia. Just because Bret wasn't working at an Ivy League institution automatically diminishes his theories?! That sickens me, because shouldn't academics be the very people who welcome thought from OUTSIDERS!?

@kennymcgowan3337

3 жыл бұрын

I once thought my brother was either Moloch or God, that was a crazy day.

@miller-joel

Жыл бұрын

"You moron, no offense." 🤣

I have often found Eric to be overbearing, but here, ironically, in his most apparently overbearing performance, it has become evident he is motivated by immense love. Clearly I have not listened carefully enough. Eric sacrifices his own likability for the benefit of his counterparties and the audience generally. I have misjudged this man. His world class intellect is matched by the heart of a lion.

@abahgus

3 жыл бұрын

Quite a complex being.

@simonevill5235

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on. Immense mind and heart to match.

@zorga0001

2 жыл бұрын

Nailed it- they are both BRILLIANT

@stacypastry2440

2 жыл бұрын

The way Eric typically does online talks, looking down at the camera is probably a big reason for your initial dislike. I find both of these men very interesting

@deirdreohalloran4760

2 жыл бұрын

@@abahgus he’s not at all complex. He’s honest and decent and we get frightened by sheer integrity and we think it complex. We are not used to pure decency.

Has Carol addressed this since this has come out? It would seem to me that she should have a response to this, and that we deserve to hear it.

@God4445

4 жыл бұрын

Bump this comment people

@qstone777

4 жыл бұрын

There you go. Bump! Bump! Bump!

@SvarteJack

4 жыл бұрын

@@God4445 Doing my part. Bump

@pam5968

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I would like to know as well. I know Jax labs said they couldn't answer their questions about breeding protocols because no one there was working there in 1997-ish and they didn't have any records. Or some bullshit like that.

@God4445

4 жыл бұрын

Keep liking this comment bois, someone has to know

The second half of this talk completely exemplifies precisely what Eric was trying to get across in the first half: that Bret is clearly an unrecognized genius, with the unrecognition due almost entirely to the fact that he cares little about being recognized. You can tell this has pissed Eric off for years. Tough love at its finest.

@TaylorKenny

4 жыл бұрын

You can just see him pulling it out of him the whole first half. Hacking at the walls of humility.

@bladeofphoenix

4 жыл бұрын

@Sudhir Kakar Did you not watch the entire video? I thought it was made painfully clear...

@jerryglenn5150

4 жыл бұрын

For similar reasons, the best possible public servants are seldom nominated, much less elected.

@chrisc7265

4 жыл бұрын

according to Bret and Eric, Bret is an unrecognized genius I like both of them, and I don't have any reason to doubt them, but given Eric's propensity to spin things, I don't have a great reason to believe Bret's work is all it's trumped up to be either I mean, I'd love to read Bret's book and go, "damn this guy _is_ a genius", but in the meantime let's not fanboy over everyone who talks nice on the internet

@jerryglenn5150

4 жыл бұрын

Chris C please have a little faith in people and lay off the 'fanboy' name calling. Bret did not call himself a genius. If you have no more evidence against him, let's get back to presuming innocence until proven guilty. Even the creator of the first IQ test did not claim it determined who is genius. When asked what it measured, he said only how well they could do on his test. Urging caution or skepticism in a less critical tone would give us less reason to doubt your intelligence.

If it were not for what had happened at Evergreen, I would have never heard of Bret nor Eric.

@charliecampbell6851

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr? Isn't it 'wonderful?'

@cmhockey6586

3 жыл бұрын

Free public relations

@charliecampbell6851

3 жыл бұрын

@@cmhockey6586 well..... he did lose his job so it wasn't exactly just a gift

@Srvelis82

3 жыл бұрын

Truth

@billsimms2511

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. Bret and Eric are great minds, it’s just so unfortunate are that the demons behind the Evergreen incident are only getting worse . Seems like very few listened to Bret

Wow this is literally the first time I've been given license to think critically about the peer review requirement. It's made to sound like standard quality control, but it's the perfect way to maintain the bull shit status quo.

@k4yser

3 жыл бұрын

Especially social science are aff/infected by the negative impact of peer review. It functions as a censor/filter with the intent to shape a world according to the zeitgeist of these institutions. At least this is what it felt to me, when studying social sciences.

@DictatorDraco

3 жыл бұрын

Any measure of quality control can be used to enforce some person or group's self-interested. However, quality control is an important thing. The solution is two-fold: 1) quality control needs to be extremely transparent and 2) a large enough community must exist to self-police such a critical mass is met to thwart conspiracies (because conspiracies involving large numbers of people are doomed to fail)

@BenEng

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, I've never in my life had my eyes opened so wide about such an important topic. There is nothing in the title and description of this podcast episode that even remotely hints at what a shockingly earth-shattering story is going to be told.

@JasonTroutnut

3 жыл бұрын

Peer review is central to the scientific process for very good reason, regardless of the persecution complex of the Weinsteins. It really is about quality control, and as a scientist I welcome peer review on my own papers just as much as I appreciate the effect it has on the quality of the other work I study and rely on. All of my papers have been improved thanks to thoughtful comments from peer reviewers, and as a reviewer I've been able to help make at least minor improvements to even the best papers I've reviewed. There are occasional reviewers who inject too much of their own ego or prejudices into their reviews or who are simply knuckleheads, but they can be politely dismissed by appealing to competent editors. What the Weinsteins don't tell you is how many of the papers that arrive at journals are profoundly bad, being the products of overworked grad students poorly trained by overworked professors, and demonstrating all kinds of sloppiness (such as lousy grammar, inconsistent terminology, incoherent ordering of ideas) and serious mistakes (such as misapplication or misinterpretation of statistical tests, various other math errors, conclusions not remotely substantiated by the data). Peer review filters out most of this bad work or forces the authors to fix it. The process as a whole is enormously beneficial to science. Without it, nobody would be able to get anything done because we'd have to spend all our time scrutinizing every paper we cite (and every paper they cite, and so on) for the kinds of dumb mistakes that fortunately get caught in peer review most of the time. The nearly non-existent role of peer review in the suppression of disruptive ideas is vastly exaggerated by would-be disruptors with delusions of grandeur, who can't convince informed colleagues that their ideas are valuable and instead run to the general public to complain about it. The truth is that we have so many journals eager for content that any scientist with a good idea, expressed well, can get it published in some legitimate journal or another. The only people being suppressed are those whose life circumstances make it too challenging to produce work of publishable quality in the first place (too little time, access to education, etc).

@BenEng

3 жыл бұрын

@@JasonTroutnut Perhaps it is specific issue of "abuse of peer review" that deserves scrutiny.

The comments: "BEST PODCAST EVER HOLY SHIT" Carol Greider: " I have no record of this podcast in my history tab."

@halyes8590

4 жыл бұрын

General-GeeZuSe did you listen to the conversation? She denied him credit in her paper by saying “I’ve been through my emails...”

@keithwilliams8342

4 жыл бұрын

Grieder should be ashamed of herself, but i bet she doesnt lose any sleep over it at all. Id say she deserves to be exposed, but before whom? Sounds like theyre all in on it...

@halyes8590

4 жыл бұрын

General-GeeZuSe i mean it’s the climax of the whole damn story

@Mistersamweller

4 жыл бұрын

Carol wanted to acknowledged Bret but she knew he'd understand the importance women representation. Truth be damned when serving the greater good of "diversity".

@jamesbarthelemy5926

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mistersamweller "THE GREA'ER GOOD"

This story was incredible. Everybody who has a brother appreciated the authentic interaction as well haha.

@machinelearningmeetsmma3176

4 жыл бұрын

Logos of Logic with Tyler Goldstein it’s so true!!! I do this with my little brother!!! He is too freakin nice. Sometimes I just want to ko him for being tossed around!

@AnthonyA321

4 жыл бұрын

“You’re boring me bro...” This was amazing!!

@Kolmir

4 жыл бұрын

I started to regret, that I don't have a brother...

@mhill88ify

4 жыл бұрын

Also anyone who loves brave & amazing people standing up for what is right

@PortlyPete

4 жыл бұрын

i have a brother and i didnt

This is like listening to music. It’s so clean, sober and straightforward. I love the way Eric loves Bret enough to get angry at him for hiding his genius. That may or may not be what Bret was doing, but the fact that Eric saw it that way and fought for him was genuine, brotherly love.

@brendab.5111

2 жыл бұрын

Well said.

Eric so grateful for you using your portal to put this story out to the world. It is beyond important.

Me at the beginning : "Damn Eric chill the f* out dude..." Me at the end : "ok i get it"

@TheJeremyKentBGross

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@quakebob

4 жыл бұрын

ha ha! my exaaaaact thought!

@cazssiew

4 жыл бұрын

I went from grumbling about how he didn't know what he was talking about to cheering everything he said.

@Sprite_525

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! I thought Eric was being melodramatic. Far from it. Bret could have a Nobel Prize to his name. This isn’t just a story of a kid who could’ve succeeded but says “oh well” and chooses to teach at the eccentric college. Bret was genuinely on the path to alter the world with his research. Now he’s condescended to by Dawkins as if Bret is an amateur outsider. I had no idea what a big deal Bret was in the research world. Fascinating turn of events!

@markallen6433

4 жыл бұрын

@islanti It's not that science is dead, it's that the academic institution has been corrupted and isn't working as it should, and as a result, a cascade of failures follows downstream. Science is a method, and it is immortal, thankfully. As soon as we get back to doing it, and focusing on it, we will find that it has not atrophied one bit, only our use of it. If that wasn't true, we'd be well and truly fucked.

Eric is right. This is way more interesting than the Bret “heroic victim of identity politics gone wrong” Weinstein story.

@AXharoth

4 жыл бұрын

kinda like jordan peterson has a lot of other things to say

@ni5hu

4 жыл бұрын

i agree

@marcuslopez7302

4 жыл бұрын

@@AXharoth can't tell if condescending or not lol.

@gg_rider

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. I have suffered similar Personality issues. Self-doubt. Not standing up for myself. Social insecurity. I think I got better but I probably still have a deficit or tendency in that area, that is less obvious to me but probably still operating.

@cowboyiam2085

4 жыл бұрын

I agree but they are both stories that need more exposure.

This is Unbelievable! I so hope this story becomes widespread knowledge!! The deviousness of that Carol and anyone who knew what she was up to and kept silent, or worse, became a part of it is unthinkable! You're both so brilliant, I wish you all the success you're so deserving of!!

@user-bi8ge4xy1j

18 күн бұрын

4 years later…… Carol….. calling Carol……….

Who else came here after watching Joe Rogan with Bret?

@animal0mother

4 жыл бұрын

I came here after listening to Joe Rogan with Eric.

@HentaiiHero

4 жыл бұрын

Sammmme

@codybaron3721

4 жыл бұрын

Add me to this list. Not only do I find the mice topic fascinating, I'm pretty on-board with his #unity2020 plan to bring the put an end to the 2 part system. Go check it out

@curtthechameleon

4 жыл бұрын

Unreal that this shit has been buried. Glad I found it.

@pariah_carey

4 жыл бұрын

animal0mother same, I just rewatched Eric’s first appearance on JRE and decided it was finally time to enter The Portal

"This isn't your podcast, this is my podcast" & you're boring me. Mad props to Eric for not editing this.

@Omega.Everywhere

4 жыл бұрын

What's interesting is you can only say these things to a dear friend and or as in this case a brother.

@jasondashney

4 жыл бұрын

I love Eric because he doesn't give a fuck. He knows he's at a place in his life where he can spout off about anyone and anything because he's secure in all aspects of life. His brother loves him, he's financially secure, and he has what he needs.

@Yotrek

4 жыл бұрын

Then at 52:00 he lets his podcast becomes his brother's podcast.

I'm here because Joe Rogan and can't be more happy about it. This is insane and a reminder of human nature at its finest. 10/10 material.

@mdeamicis

4 жыл бұрын

Joe is the intellectual dark web gateway drug

@SierraSierraFoxtrot

4 жыл бұрын

Same, I wasn't paying attention to this podcast but I will from now on.

@John-X

4 жыл бұрын

12:03 you... *_YoU kNoW tHe tHiNg_*

@jasondashney

4 жыл бұрын

@@mdeamicis you could've written a 10,000 word essay and not made the point any more clearly.

@AtlasReburdened

4 жыл бұрын

Congrats on being amongst the last in before he sold out and inevitably normalizes.

I never could have guessed that one of the most interesting stories I would ever hear would begin “The theory of antagonistic pleiotropy was well established, but...”

This was a homerun set up by Eric to get Brett to open up his hidden portal. Bravo 👏

Big brother: Someone talked shit let's go fight them Little brother: Gee I don't know It might be dressed in fancy academia this time around, but this is a tale older than history itself.

@BeardLegend

4 жыл бұрын

Played, Swaggins.

@Byenia

4 жыл бұрын

That's a lame over-simplification of what was discussed in this podcast. Brothers or not, the story deserved to come out.

@jimduggan8382

4 жыл бұрын

@@Byenia na it was a great comment made in jest, your comment is lame.

@nzajflynn

4 жыл бұрын

The media also tapped out because although I love him eric Weinstein rejects offers to go on fox news because hes scared that the bolsheviks will call him "fox news contributor". You should ignore the labels, and talk to anyone that is open to discussion. You and your brother kick ass.

@raz0rcarich99

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimduggan8382 Got em

You can tell Eric is really pissed off about what happened to his bro

@heavyequipment1930

4 жыл бұрын

You can tell by the footwear what's going on

@TheReferrer72

4 жыл бұрын

Well his Brother was a bit naive.I thought he got his paper eventually published would be good if there was a link to it and a transcription of the Nobel laureates speech. So we can judge for ourselves.

@cookingobsession1534

4 жыл бұрын

I am, too. We probably all should be.

@the-quintessenz

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, just check out what happens with Eric's back pillow at around the time when he's trying to talk Bret into being angry about the whole situation.

@haileycrump4840

4 жыл бұрын

@@heavyequipment1930 The running shoe/ hiking boot mashup! And the ankle skin. Classic academia.

You had me on board already, but when you said peer review is a cancer, you sealed my support forever, for whatever that may be worth. And now I understand why you push your brother so hard on not selling himself short.

Best episode yet. The “insufferable” conversations are the ones that must be rescued from silence.

I can see why he would be a teacher. His explanation of telomeres was so clean and smooth that even a hick like me was able to follow it. I feel smarter just from having watched this. Thank you very much!

@snafuagain5268

4 жыл бұрын

Christopher Hampton: You hit it on the head! The best Teachers are the masters. We don’t have that anymore. How can we call someone a teacher, when they don’t master the subject they are trying to teach another. What?! It’s a catastrophe! Today the majority of teachers, teaching in schools, would fail in a debate on the subject they get paid to teach our youth to learn. What?! What a mess! Today’s teachers are not yesteryears teacher! These people are not ‘teachers’, it’s an insult to the profession! On the other hand, a scholar, a polymath, now those would do the world good by teaching our youth, and they would earn the Higher wages they deserve! Today’s ‘teachers’, aren’t teachers. What a catastrophe this is!

@schlomoshekelstein908

4 жыл бұрын

@@snafuagain5268 teachers need to earn more money and there needs to be some incentive to get the old, knowledgable people to retire earlier from their jobs, at which point those retirees would go teach for 5-10 years or whatever. we're losing a lot of knowledge with this shitty system. as it is now you have adult daycare workers reading shit out of a book

@Jsmithyy

4 жыл бұрын

Christopher number 11 1 410568000

@marvinmartinez985

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously.

@pariah_carey

4 жыл бұрын

I just made a comment that’s almost the exact same sentiment as yours. I was able to follow very easily, even with my limited scientific knowledge. And I was engaged the whole way through. This was way more exciting than I expected from the introductory monologue.

I've never respected Bret more than I do after this episode. I've watched him on Joe Rogan's podcast and was amazed at what he stood up to at ESU but my god, I had no idea just how incredibly brilliant this guy is. Thank you Eric for pushing him, for confronting him. He's a beautiful spirt with a huge heart but wow....what a mind. THIS is what I was hoping for from this podcast. BRAVO!!

@Maximo10101

4 жыл бұрын

His own podcast is quite interesting to listen too

@markparris3890

4 жыл бұрын

I think it took a loving brother to push Bret so far and so hard. So much so, that Bret had to ask whether this was still the podcast or not! Absolutely fascinating discussion

I'm here because of Bret's appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast talking about the elongation if mice teelameers (probably spelt that wrong) and the pharmaceutical industries drug tests and the danger humans because of a fatal flaw in the mice genetic structure... Really had to know more of the story because looking at my medicine cabinet makes me wonder if we're all playing a game of Russian Roulette with pill bottles

Having lived a similar fiasco(with substantially lower stakes of course) during my Phd at Karolinska University, I think that the main problem is that there are no incentives to publish reproducible results. If I had any control at a funding agency I would give out grants to labs that disprove top tier publications.

@zoompt-lm5xw

3 жыл бұрын

That's a great idea

@geometricfortitude

2 жыл бұрын

This is the way.

"I'm gonna put the hurt on you for not taking your role in history". That's some real shit right there.

@DIVISIONINCISION

4 жыл бұрын

Existential confrontation, right there. Hard to argue with your older brother, who knows you and what you're capable of.

@ryanboshell6124

4 жыл бұрын

cam fox it’s a bit grandiose. Still kinda true though.

@SvarteJack

4 жыл бұрын

Lol! Read the comment the same exact moment he said that! What a coincidence. 30:05

@camfox5187

4 жыл бұрын

As the oldest of 3 brothers it struck a chord with me. I like to believe we all have a part in the meat play

@JediMasterBaiter

4 жыл бұрын

Eric "The Rock" Weinstein

Bret: "I thin..." Eric: "you dont get it"

@saquist

4 жыл бұрын

Sherlock and Mycroft

@saquist

4 жыл бұрын

Sherlock and Mycroft

@nickmagrick7702

4 жыл бұрын

lol, this whole fucking podcast. I woulda been irritated if I didn't know them both and respect them both first. Was kinda funny though because of it.

@BFrydell

4 жыл бұрын

Nick MaGrick the way I see it, Eric was thinking “okay, this ridiculous and SOMEONE is going to be aggressive about it. If it’s not Bret then it’s me.” It’s like Eric is giving Bret a way to tell this story without coming off as vengeful

@nickmagrick7702

4 жыл бұрын

@@BFrydell yeah, its all out of concern for his brother. People can both be genuine and come off as a bit of an ass. Hes showing the frustrations that Bret is keeping in check.

An Epic podcast! 0:00:00 - 0:27:00 jiber juber 0:27:00 Eric talk about DISC 0:37:00 Discussion begins 1:02:31 Death by immortality 1:29:29 🤯 1:51:12 🤯🤯 (Waiting for the movie ♥️)

All biologists have to wear hiking shoes in every scenario. That's how you know they're for real.

@sleeknub

4 жыл бұрын

Same with geologists

@janetatum8966

4 жыл бұрын

😂 Yes, this is true on both accounts!

@MichaelDZ440

4 жыл бұрын

Deplorable Covfefe they don’t actually do that... right?

@LittleBox87

4 жыл бұрын

Lol :D

@aaronross6956

3 жыл бұрын

I was wondering what the deal was with that

This is how extremely high IQ brothers fight.

@bullmoosemedia

4 жыл бұрын

It is a brotherly therapy session pimped out for KZread ad revenue. 😛

@TAGGdinc

4 жыл бұрын

If they were truly high I.Q then they wouldn't need words to conversate

@deyahdn3

4 жыл бұрын

"You're boring! Let's talk about how you were cheated out of a nobel prize."

@helenachase5627

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha ! Awesome

@hudsontoo1212

4 жыл бұрын

This is how gigantic egos speak to each other.

Eric Weinsten: "I love you like you were my own brother" Bret Weinstein: "amazing" 😂

@HumboldtRefugee

4 жыл бұрын

I had to look up this "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia problem"... Yep, Bret's right. Hopefully, Eric can try not to suffocate his little brother's actions. Two men can want fundamentally different things, even if they once shared common goals. After finishing, gruff, but utilitarian. Thanks to both of you! kzread.info/dash/bejne/e3eKushxht3UlcY.html

@gabrielapopescu7175

4 жыл бұрын

@@asterion1729 58

@j_freed

4 жыл бұрын

It's less amazing we can't all talk this way, you moron, no disrespect and I love you...

@jlindsay

3 жыл бұрын

MTV | Politics | Pied Piper | Battle for hearts & minds kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2tlq9iLnZy7mdo.html ?asaa

@aaronross6956

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

Ironic that Eric is frustrated with Bret for being timid.... Look at how Eric interacts with him... Bret's obviously been cowed from day one.... Poor guy... Still appreciate both of you guys!

@derekmarkovic

4 жыл бұрын

Eric's definitely playing the big brother card.

@gregorybrennan8539

4 жыл бұрын

Don't shoot the messengers.Everything that they say is true ., I can say from my experience and it is your business because you are funding all of the bad science and are naturaly getting nothing back. Well you are getting the distain for the " commoners" that the tenured professors naturally have.

@gravytopic

4 жыл бұрын

Eric W. is always talking over others, interrupting them, telling them they're wrong, or elling then that he doesn't understand what they're saying, but doesn't really care anyway.

@paulfroelich1024

4 жыл бұрын

Probably why Brett had the spine to stand up to that frat at UPenn and all those students at Evergreen...Eric prepped him for those moments.

@gravytopic

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulfroelich1024 Pure conjecture. But who needs evidence for a claim when the IDW is your god?

I love Erics brutal honesty. He knows his brother is far more intelligent than he is credited for.

I'm an immunologist who did his PhD on mouse models. This podcast is one of the best I've ever heard. Bret's insights into telomeres have implications so wide it's insane. It is science and prescience at its best!

@adam1780

4 жыл бұрын

Is this story well known by people in your area of research?

@craigmckenzie5709

4 жыл бұрын

@@adam1780 Kind of. Telomeres are well known to effect cancer/ageing. Looking more broadly, about 30% of discoveries in mice do not translate into humans as there are so many differences between mice and humans (not just telomere length) 😊 Unfortunately, a lot of people don't appreciate these differences in relevant fields.

@georgenaratadam3803

4 жыл бұрын

The paper if you're interested: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC113886/#__ffn_sectitle

@s3m4jno5w4d

4 жыл бұрын

The man should be at the top table, someone else got a Nobel prize from the result of his work

@9SmartSand6

4 жыл бұрын

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2009 was awarded jointly to Elizabeth H. Blackburn, Carol W. Greider and Jack W. Szostak "for the discovery of how chromosomes are protected by telomeres and the enzyme telomerase." Which was their own work. The fact that Carol Greider refused to cite Bret's intellectual contribution to her subsequent paper related to mouse telomeres is as best, egregious and at worst, just sleazy as hell. I lean toward the latter, seeing how she became hostile toward him and tried to prevent his paper being published. Of course, since she's now got a Nobel, she politically has a coat of teflon against criticism. But sleazy is as sleazy does.

From webMD: "The arthritis drug Vioxx may have caused up to 140,000 cases of serious heart disease, including many deaths" Thanks, Carol Greider.

@madalinaungureanu8427

4 жыл бұрын

Njerve1 wow

@AtlasReburdened

4 жыл бұрын

That means her intentional selfishness caused masses of strangers to endure torturous condition and death. What a shame to eternally wear on one's name.

@sambeckley7207

4 жыл бұрын

Another one to add to the "muther fuckin' Carol" list of 2020

@thebasedguy4060

4 жыл бұрын

Bro why isn’t this on the headlines.

@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa

6 ай бұрын

Good point

You deserve a Nobel prize and a movie deal. This story was captivating.

@Raydensheraj

Жыл бұрын

A Nobel prize pahahahahahahaha

@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa

6 ай бұрын

This should be a book!! What an exciting and interesting story!

Brett is humbling his way out of existence.

@RyTrapp0

4 жыл бұрын

...while Eric is going out kicking and screaming - but the problem is that it doesn't seem to matter either way. Unfortunately for Eric, we have yet to see evidence that his path is correcting this. There's certainly still time though - especially as podcasts continue to swallow up the disgusting cancers that are corporate factual and op-ed journalism

@Jsmithyy

4 жыл бұрын

Holy umber 11 1 410568000

@taylorc2542

4 жыл бұрын

This is fishy though. Brett has a way of putting himself in the middle of controversy. First their was something when he was an undergrad involving a black stripper at a fraternity. Then their was this story with telomeres, where I'd like to think that some of the people who worked with him would stand up. Then there is the Evergreen situation. That's 3 strikes. These guys are kookie and have a persecution complex.

@RyTrapp0

4 жыл бұрын

​@@taylorc2542 "Then their was this story with telomeres, where I'd like to think that some of the people who worked with him would stand up." . Then, apparently, you need to listen to the story again - he L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y HAD 3 of the most respected names in the *history* of his field of study go out of their way to promote his exceptional work to the appropriate entities. And, yet, that changed nothing. . "That's 3 strikes" - are we playing a baseball game suddenly? "3 strikes" couldn't possibly be relevant; it's literally a random number taken from a sport that isn't even that old. Really don't know what it's supposed to prove. I mean, are we not allowed to have more than "3" incidents in the entirety of our lives? I can only imagine what you must think of Martin Luther King, I'm sure he had a wee bit more than "3 strikes" in his life, and it, sadly, didn't even last as long as Bret's has.

@taylorc2542

4 жыл бұрын

@@strategySGD Naw, Eric thinks his work has magically been suppressed also, along with his wife Pia. See, it's them.

This is everything my KZread life ever needed

@jomgelborn

4 жыл бұрын

best podcast I've ever seen.

@kilskar6270

4 жыл бұрын

Same!

@lettersnames6922

4 жыл бұрын

Here here.

This is what being a good big brother looks like

@tensevo

4 жыл бұрын

@Brad die Irriterend III It's not malicious patronizing, it is actually pretty light hearted. They do know each other....very well.

@zaccrisp9988

4 жыл бұрын

@Brad die Irriterend III did you finish it? What do you think?

@Cornell90

4 жыл бұрын

@Brad die Irriterend III It's love on a complicated level, finish it.. best podcast I ever watched.

@hackzein4138

4 жыл бұрын

holy shit i love how they respect each other when coming to an impass

@loganprichard1439

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly wished Eric would have put Bret in a headlock and told him just to spit it out, would have taken a hell of lot less time to get him to talk.

Big brother: " Your are not living up to your god damn potential little brother. I love you so this is tough love and i am going to make this public. " Little brother:"............."

@j_freed

4 жыл бұрын

This reads like JD Salinger or John Steinbeck.

@tikmaanboksouwe

3 жыл бұрын

Eric, you made this much harder to understand because you keep interrupting your brother m8. Im not a biologist, but I can understand it if I can hear the whole story. Let Bret finish his points man, everytime I get the grasp of what he is trying to say you stop the though process by interrupting. I like your podcast, dont worry im not hating or anything! Cheers

This is hilarious, totally vibing with Bretts style being too polite to his challenge his brother and constantly being stuck on the back foot. Sounds like Brett was being instrumental in using Evergreen to do his research in a dark corner and Eric is putting too much emphasis on the perceived prestige from more reputable Universities. Einstein did it in a patent office.

@vipertails

3 жыл бұрын

Think you missed the point that he knows Brett is brilliant and has done something amazing but the big u iversities won't let him in the club because he's too quiet and on the back foot....

The awkwardly contentious opening only makes sense when you get to the end, and that tension strengthened the impact of this story in such an unexpected way. This is the greatest podcast episode I have ever heard.

This may be one of the most important podcast in the world right now. What a gripping story.

@NoName-zn1sb

4 жыл бұрын

!!!

@nickmagrick7702

4 жыл бұрын

the part about pharmas influence in colleges and the fact that hiding new technology is a routine thing, yeah that part is.

@chemicalimbalance7030

4 жыл бұрын

Incredible.

@user-qp3pu5yv1e

4 жыл бұрын

Gripping yes, but unfortunately not as groundbreaking as you hope if I may explain my position on why I think it’s just sad. The part I think you’re referring to about the short and long cells that mutate that could be a reason for cancer or never dying, if I’m not mistaken has been addressed since when Carol stole his hypothesis and received the Nobel prize. The other big story covered up was the, ( not at all implicated by Eric or Brett but it’s my accusation it was likely done on purpose as to not have deviation in their mice therefore reliable test results and drugs passed and a lot of money made) fact their mice couldn’t be scientifically sound if they were all the same and coming from the same place. Carol probably was an unwitting participant in these shenanigans until she realizes how that story alone could ruin her and her newest discovery she planned to steal from Brett. The problem about the mice was fixed I thought he said because sweeping it under the rug was easier than the whole can of worms it dug up exposing it. That being said, once the hypothesis is out there it’s out there and now the world knows and hopefully they’re doing w it what must be done...... Unless, it was done intentionally to begin with. In the Bible why did people live so many hundred years and now we don’t? Is it because there’s more money to be made in death w Big Pharma? Likely...... but can we do anything about it? No. It’s soo much bigger than we are and happens on so many more levels than you can imagine and your head w almost explode after you start to really understand this more. It’s still hard to wrap my head around because it’s a devastating fact to swallow and as such must be taken in small bites imo. I hope and pray I’m wrong and this like you say turns out to be the most important podcast in the world, but maybe I’m too jaded to have that optimism anymore because I truly think this is as far as it goes. Without the media behind you fully nothing reaches the masses and I don’t believe the same reluctant media w change their position and now back him and go against Carol, not in a 100 yrs.

@nickmagrick7702

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-qp3pu5yv1e not only are you extremely apathetic, but understanding whats going on doesn't make the conversation they are having here any less important. Its still easily one of the most important podcasts in the world and I don't think thats an overstatement. Thinking nothing can be done about it is just ... I feel like coming from you since you clearly understand most of whats going on, is just plain lazy. Or a serious lack of imagination. As an individual its hard to do anything about it, collectively as a group though we have so much power, and our individual actions do make significant impact. They depend on a good image and that people keep buying their stuff, big pharma or any corporation's really, biggest vulnerability in terms of its stability are the people it relies on. Besides things only got this bad in the first place from individuals taking action to do something they shouldn't have as individuals. From lobbyists, to hiding information, to making poor moral choices for career or profit. To say nothing can be done about it is asinine. As an example, ive put ideas out into the world, just talking about what seemed like nonsense to random people. 10-20 years later I see my same ideas propagating but being championed by different people. I had ideas about how cancer was curable, 3d printers like from star trek were possible, and that the world would be understood to be made up of geometry and nothing else. Some of my ideas didn't start completely with me but I think some did. I just keep talking about the stuff and the idea sits in peoples subconscious and gets passed around, much in the same way that advertisements use memes and manipulate people into passing around their mantras and narratives. Worst comes to worst we can always start a revolution, but hopefully things don't become that dire. But something can always be done and we always have a choice, even if its never clear what we should be doing.

Someone needs to make Brets life into a movie. Gripped from start to finish!

@mufasao6776

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/eHxmuceQl8a5fc4.html

As a human with normal-length telomeres who takes medications, I'd like to humbly and sincerely thank Bret for saving my life.

@GAB-vq7re

3 жыл бұрын

How so did you stop taking your medications? I'm curious because that particular conversation where Bret explained that whole telomeres thing really messed me up. Ive contemplated stopping more questionable medications. Newer medications with less data surrounding their various positive and negative effects.

@jlindsay

3 жыл бұрын

MTV | Politics | Pied Piper | Battle for hearts & minds kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2tlq9iLnZy7mdo.html ?asaa

@colinthomson5358

2 жыл бұрын

What condition do you have that has you on a drug?

@Raydensheraj

Жыл бұрын

What? Because he CO wrote a freaking research paper?!? Damn liar.

Get this to Joe quick, This needs to reach millions of people not thousands.

@M-N00

4 жыл бұрын

came from joe's...

@MoveWithWoo

4 жыл бұрын

Fucked up but true. Bret needs to get back on the podcast

@ethanwasme4307

4 жыл бұрын

he came into joes pod cast in a panic and fucked a major chance at exposing the truth :P

@crownjargon9038

4 жыл бұрын

No

@donnyscript6623

4 жыл бұрын

@@ethanwasme4307 Wrong go watch it again!

The first 60 minutes is basically an older brother kicking his younger brother's arse for not standing up for himself! Great stuff

@Jsmithyy

4 жыл бұрын

John Hopkins Number 11 1 410568000

@MechShark

4 жыл бұрын

@Holy Hand Grenades If you watch Bret's recent Darkhorse videos you can see his realization that the mob cannot be sated with reason. He's had to start adopting Eric's tactic because only that type of strategy will beat the similar strategy of the post-modernists (the only answer is to say "no" and do it fiercely, there is no other option against ideologically possessed people who don't even understand their own stance).

@j_freed

4 жыл бұрын

MechShark - he's always been a good person, but good people can have blind spots. The problem is we are too close to ourselves to see everything.

@HeyoSpeaker

4 жыл бұрын

Bret’s approach to changing minds is more like my own, at least at the personality and social level (because I’m nowhere near as useful or productive of a person as he is). I think Eric is saying that Bret needs to actively pursue positions of respect so that he will have the power to direct the thoughts and conversations of the field more quickly in a beneficial direction. Bret, meanwhile, at least in his mind, is playing a totally different game of trying to change the minds of the existing respect-holders as opportunities to do so arise without seeking those positions himself. Perhaps he feels or worries that seeking those positions will be seen as selfish or egoistic and will undermine public perception of his work. Or maybe he just finds that the process to get there or to perform that role too personally distasteful, uncomfortable, or stressful and is just a mismatch for the way his mind works. The real questions are, which tactic is more effective more quickly, and which is best suited to Bret’s mind, personality, and personal life goals? If Bret can in fact accomplish more from a more-respected position, and there is a way to do so that fits with Bret’s mind and life, then Eric is right, and Bret just needs to somehow get there. If any of that is not true, perhaps Bret is already on the right track or doing his best. Bret seems to feel that he is on the right track already but is having a hard time fully explaining himself to Eric - he hasn’t been keeping a tally of all his perceived accomplishments and progress toward his goals and has no way to pull all that out on-the-spot even if he feels their existence in the back of his mind. Eric is having trouble fully explaining how exactly his vision for Bret would work and why Bret would be able to accomplish more if he fulfilled that vision. Either strategy is probably better-suited to certain cases. ....Maybe we just need both types of minds working together as a team!

@JohnDoe-sp3dc

4 жыл бұрын

@@MechShark you can also see those changes in Brett's recent appearance on jre.

I was deeply disturbed by this discussion. I would love to be engaged in this battle, but, while I could follow the well articulated conversation, I am armed with a peashooter among you giants. Thank you.

I 100% suggest that you listen to the whole intro thing bc it's very interesting, but if you are in a hurry and you just want to get to the juicy part, the "broken mice" part, it starts at 45:30

@rubio.laureano

2 жыл бұрын

Also, the straight straight to the point part is at 1:00:22

@jl8686

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

Having learned, in this podcast, of the exchange between Bret and Richard Dawkins, I watched that discussion. I have never seen Dawkins look more challenged and vulnerable than in that discussion. Bret, you belong at this table and are becoming my new hero of evolutionary biology. Can't wait to dig into your work as I did with Dawkins"Selfish gene" 25 years ago. Again, thanks Eric for giving Bret the chance to shine amongst the "evolutionary literati".

@caincotterill5493

4 жыл бұрын

BodyDoc Where did you find it?

@jacobbailey5498

4 жыл бұрын

Fascinating, I'll go check it out. I've come to really dislike Dawkins in recent years

@drbobinski1

4 жыл бұрын

@@jacobbailey5498 Dawkins work advanced Darwins insight, so for this I will always revere him. But his current dismissal of others, outside the academic ivory tower, has begun to crack the facade a little for me. Thanks for commenting Jacob. He is also militantly atheist and for this bravery I also laud him.

@TheJeremyKentBGross

Жыл бұрын

Where can I find an unedited version of that?

@richardbobinski2819

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJeremyKentBGross kzread.info/dash/bejne/mo2ut499n6i8Zs4.html

Can anybody here even imagine what it would look like to see Bret pissed off or mad? Brets ability to keep a cool head and find a better way to respond is impressive. Great podcast! I was expecting a completely different conversation, and I'm happy to have been wrong with my expectation. This was far more interesting.

@internetgorilla4231

4 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling that an angry Bret will be inspiring.

@cookingobsession1534

4 жыл бұрын

Internet Gorilla that’s what Eric wants us to see.

@nickmagrick7702

4 жыл бұрын

yeah, and I can imagine its not pleasant. He seems like the type to stay cool but when he goes off, he really goes off. Just guessing.

You guys are awesome. I am very happy with the way the world of podcasting is turning out, and am glad to be able to witness this incredible conversation between two very brilliant brothers.

Simply phenomenal, Eric! Thank you for dragging Bret out into the light, so all of us could understand why he was so damn smart, but didn't have 'credentials' to back it up. So many conversations I listened to with him, in the last three years makes so much sense now.

Bret's Research: "You either die a Human, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Tumor"

@Jester123ish

4 жыл бұрын

Oh no, you mean those predictions that people will be able to live 1000 years and that these people have already been born, are wrong?!? I can't believe it.

@ladymercy5275

4 жыл бұрын

Fundamentally this.

@isaiakrozell2409

4 жыл бұрын

sounds a lot like the jokers, "You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain".

@zaboalvin

4 жыл бұрын

@@isaiakrozell2409 That's exactly the point.

@fredverkool5599

4 жыл бұрын

@@isaiakrozell2409 It wasn't the joker who sayed that ,Harvey did

This is the single best podcast I have ever beheld.

@guynxtdork

4 жыл бұрын

This episode specifically or this podcast generally?

@scruffthemagicdragon

4 жыл бұрын

IMO this specific episode. It's stunning in terms of its content, and beautifully narrated from both sides.

@keithwilliams8342

4 жыл бұрын

Unbelievable indeed! Just the pharmaceutical implications alone blew my mind. Who would have thought the events at evergreen were such small potatoes compared to the intellectual savaging perpetrated upon bret!

@NRG2

4 жыл бұрын

The Portal is probably the greatest podcast. Only because there is no host in Eric's league intellectually. The meme of Thee Portal itself being potent and his guests being curated with an artistic genius. It is so refreshing to listen to these conversations.

@Cornell90

4 жыл бұрын

@@guynxtdork This, without a doubt. Best podcast episode I ever watched

Love this session!! YES, please have him on, on a regular basis!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

This was one of the most amazing videos I've seen on KZread, but now my brain hurts.

I must say Eric’s ability to navigate biology, economics, physics, mathematics, and music is savant like. He is the definition of general intelligence

@tylermurch7891

4 жыл бұрын

I bet he doesnt know anything about metalwork or how to swing a hammer.

@borntobomb

4 жыл бұрын

@@tylermurch7891 oh i bet he does. tbh.

@TCSyndicate

4 жыл бұрын

@@tylermurch7891 and yet I bet he'd learn faster than you.

@BillyViBritannia

4 жыл бұрын

@@tylermurch7891 Dude he looks like a blacksmith

@KAIZORIANEMPIRE

4 жыл бұрын

It's called a polymath lol not general intelligence. That's just high IQ which everyone in these independent fields has

His story would make a fantastic movie

@kilskar6270

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@johnbuckner2828

4 жыл бұрын

@Neil Mo yeah, I'm betting Hollywood would burn him at the stake if he brought them an accurate script.

@phatpat63

4 жыл бұрын

^

@jpkerpan

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! Oh, wait does your idea have to pass peer review to get to movie script?

@johnbuckner2828

4 жыл бұрын

@@jpkerpan yes, I believe it has to get past those locked within "ideological thought prisons" first.

It's not difficult to imagine that behind almost every Nobel Prize is a story similar to Bret's.

@patscheible5140

2 жыл бұрын

Candace Pert and the opioid receptor.

Shout out to Rebel Wisdom for bringing me to the Weinstein Bros. And much bigger shout out to Eric & Brett's parents! I can only imagine the household environment that nurtured these two immense minds. Kudos and much thanks to you, Mr & Mrs Weinstein. Eric: you're a great older brother, keep up the good work. Brett: out of the dark web and into the limelight you must go... NOW!

As a phd student, this made me feel physically sick.

@brindlebriar

4 жыл бұрын

Like a little boy who was in line to visit the Pope, and then hears what goes in in his chambers?

@ryanstick2194

4 жыл бұрын

Burni O why is that?

@xluyyjhfg

4 жыл бұрын

Burni, please elaborate

@raz0rcarich99

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryanstick2194 Getting your life's work practically stolen isn't fun.

@brianmangan15

4 жыл бұрын

Probably because this entire podcast elucidates that the higher ed and peer review system is gate-kept specifically to stop knowledge production.

Makes me sick to think there are sociopaths like Carol W. Greaser clogging the arteries of innovation. Disgusting...

@wloga

4 жыл бұрын

Carol W. Greider

@mine5066

4 жыл бұрын

@@wloga It is common practice, that is the whole problem. It gets supercharged by distributing grants by committee. I left the field of research because any form of actual innovation was killed by self-censoring to get grant approval. We have come full circle to what scholarship under the church was.

@AnonYmous-uy8uj

4 жыл бұрын

@Waerloga corrected

@kensurrency2564

4 жыл бұрын

muh kuh Amen to Truth

Thank you Eric! Great interview with Bret. I couldn't stop thinking about the insidious impact of peer review beyond the sciences. That is, in the arts peer review is a great component for allocating grants and subsidies to the politically correct. As a visual artist, for instance, you either manage to access the Ivy League of big marchands d'art, or you get trapped into the subsidies underworld. What we're witnessing now, it's a conversion of the big gallery players to accommodate the pressure of the times. No more freedom of expression; peer review, instead of a gateway to ensure excellence, it has become a gateway of suppression. Say what they want to hear and you're in. Shouldn't we call this the Age of Envy and Mediocrity? I can't help of thinking of a big fire to burn all this B.S. You're correct in pushing Bret to a new height.

It has been an absolute pleasure listening to this podcast! A lot of data is running through my mind now and a thirst for knowledge had been satisfied by this story. So happy I have many other of your podcasts to listen to and evolve my thinking forward! Thank you for speaking and for sharing this incredible piece of information! 😊❤️

In terms of "Holy shit, what happens next?!", this is the best episode yet! This discovery is a book, a film, and a snapshot into brilliance. I remember being this entertained while watching the dramatization of cracking the Enigma Code. Here's to hoping someone as capable as Benedict Cumberbatch plays Eric in the film adaptation of this story.

I watch Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Bret Weinstein, Steven pinker, and so many others, and Eric is the most interesting of them all.

@vikramsarabhai1

4 жыл бұрын

I would say Eric & Jordan have the most intellectual HP.

@slados1

4 жыл бұрын

@Johnny Crustacean I'm not bashing you per se, Johnny... but you're a hack

@TheJeremyKentBGross

4 жыл бұрын

@Johnny Crustacean I disagree. If i were to restate my understanding of Petersons "God" in my own words, it would be: A psychological projection of the asymptomatic target of human evolution representing the set of behaviors statistically most likely to get you to the top of the set of all possible competence hierarchies. That seems like a pretty brilliant insight to me. While there are things that I'm certainly on the new atheists side on over Jordan, there are definitely places he's up on them, even when it's poorly articulated. Furthermore on the subject of climate change, the climate has always been changing. Question is to what degree, if any, humans affect it. On that subject: I've worked somewhat adjacent to that field and whispers were that many of the researchers working on it don't believe it, but know what side theirs is buttered on. It seems as corrupt as what Brett and Eric are on about here, and maybe even as much as Bogosian Pluckrose and (3rd name escaping me atm) were revealing about gender studies. I also notice that the politicians and activists who push the climate change narrative all propose what basically amounts to communism or fascism as the solution, and I mean actual fascism not the mere insult everyone throws around nowadays. Personally it seems obvious that the appropriate levels of skepticism towards the climate narrative is in short supply. And even if it were true, I'd take death from a world wide flood over being killed in a Gulag or Concentration Camp by the people who seem almost sexually aroused by the prospect of forcing their fellow human beings to eat bugs and massively reducing the global population. I'd probably even take it over living under their boot heels as they live like commissars while suppressing news of their brutalizing the likes of the yellow vests, which come about because of their idiotic (or more likely corrupt) policy "solutions" to the "problem."

@slados1

4 жыл бұрын

@Johnny Crustacean Perhaps not a hack "per se", but still... :-D

@s3m4jno5w4d

4 жыл бұрын

By a country mile

Love watching the brothers go at it. It is also troubling to hear them both discuss the scientific community keep hold and keep ideas suppressed. And to know that Bret possibly got robbed out of a Nobel Prize....my jaw is on the floor.

Imagine these two growing up together and their conversations as 9 year olds over a bowl of cheerios. Oh to have been a fly on the wall.

This is the classic moment - where the older sibling says “you’re better than this” - and the younger sibling says “but I’m fine, we’re just different”

@_l735

4 жыл бұрын

😂😊

@seangawd6830

4 жыл бұрын

Nailed it!

@ashnur

4 жыл бұрын

they are not geniuses, just normal people. it's the context that makes them look like geniuses. try do the same thing you do and you will be there. if you have the money at least.

@Retribution_X

4 жыл бұрын

Aron Gabor So try it yourself, & see how smart you look. It doesn’t take much money to start a humble podcast. No one’s saying that they’re “Geniuses”, but I damn well bet that they’re smarter, & think more ‘outside of the box,’ especially scientifically, than your average person; including you.

@nickmagrick7702

4 жыл бұрын

for me and my younger sister, this is the reverse. But otherwise the same.

My older brother PTSD is being triggered.

@MarvelousOldWorld

4 жыл бұрын

I just want to add as an addendum, having finished listening to the full podcast that A. I wish my own older brother had been so hard on me so as to elevate my better nature, but more importantly that B. as a member of Generation X, I regard this as a call to action against the self serving gatekeepers holding back a groundswell of potential in human advancement (looking at you, Mr. Dawkins). These two men are as brilliant as they are compassionate, & I so admire their affection for one another. God speed!

@TheReferrer72

4 жыл бұрын

@@MarvelousOldWorld Dawkins is not holding back human advancement Bret probably got a lot of his education from Dawkins work.

@BrockNelson

4 жыл бұрын

Eric was annoying at times but I see what he was being so hardheaded and I think his interjections were necessary for people like me who have no formal education on this shit to be able to grasp some of the more “wordy” concepts they were conveying.

@andrew_hd

4 жыл бұрын

ahah : )

@yyguuyg

4 жыл бұрын

from a big brother, sorry bout that.

Eric and Bret--as both an elder and younger brother I have felt the pain and pride on both sides of what I witnessed here.

To bad our media are biased so refreshing to listen to this man makes a person miss real journalism. He is one of the most interesting people I've heard in a long time. TY

I paused this and spent an hour listening to Dolly Parton. She's a pure soul and a national treasure.

@markparris3890

4 жыл бұрын

With a least interesting interesting bosom

Carol stole almost everything from Brett. This story needs to be spread.

@Eclipto14

4 жыл бұрын

She didn't steal everything. She was already in a position to take advantage of his insight. She wasn't a nobody. Don't oversell the case, here.

@konradnsa

4 жыл бұрын

They are so politely pissed off

@kensurrency2564

4 жыл бұрын

Eclipto14 She knew what she was doing. Bret had a groundbreaking earth shattering discovery and she decided to position herself as the discoverer instead. That’s insidious. I guess it really doesn’t matter who get the credit. However, the system that incentivizes people to take advantage of discoveries of knowledge from other people is inherently corrupt. That means that there are gatekeepers who will suppress certain ideas that are a threat to the cash flow of their controllers. That’s greed. That has to stop.

@konradnsa

4 жыл бұрын

Ken Surrency - Hello welcome to the world of academia were feudalism still exist.

@pjeffries301

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eclipto14 The case oversells itself. Those in positions of power bear even more responsibility when abusing it. Ask a priest, they too were "in a position to take advantage". EXPLETIVE.

I love that you’re trying to change the narrative around your brother’s legacy in real time. Very big brother of you.

Honestly, probably the best podcast I have seen . Fantastic. Well done guys.

So a man that makes a ground breaking prediction, that is demonstrated to be true, which in turn - has huge implications for pharma, for medicine, for people...isn't known for that - but for getting kicked out of his job, by a small group of noisy cretinous students. Fuck me. Bret should be absolutely livid... Or employ Eric as his Led Zep manager style, manager.

This should be a movie. It's the only way to open eyes that are scientifically shut.

@NovaValentis

4 жыл бұрын

Or a documentary. Great that Eric pushed this.

@9SmartSand6

4 жыл бұрын

This would be to the medical research industry what _Silkwood_ was to the nucear industry.

@NoName-zn1sb

4 жыл бұрын

I must go now, there is a village which needs my help. ::saddles up, disengages safety::

@mauricios3267

4 жыл бұрын

Definately. Can be as engaging as The Big Short!

@nickmagrick7702

4 жыл бұрын

yeah, and whose gunna fund that movie? And if it gets even close to production, what about the same group of people that prevented his work from becoming known in the first place? Do you think this corruptions really contained to just that college?

I wish I had a super intelligent benevolent older sibling who pushed me and challenged me the way Eric does to Brett in this video. One can assume this has been the case their entire lives. Enlightening and entertaining as well. Thank you !!!

This has been sitting in my Watch Later playlist for a year, and I just now got around to watching it. This was really interesting, lots to think about.

It's horrifying how institutions so many people trust completely can be plagued by these misaligned incentive structures. Great episode.

@jamescraig9045

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that trust implies an absent benevolence.

@markparris3890

4 жыл бұрын

In alignment with the topic discussed, organisations have replication mechanisms (e.g. hiring / firing policies that ensure staff are hired somewhat in the likeness of their hirers) but they have no equivalent of a short telomere so they go on to replicate over generations without stopping. Over time they are likely to develop ‘cancerous’ behaviours that perpetuate the organisation but fall short of its original purpose. I’m interested in what would happen if public organisations were automatically disbanded after (say) 20 years (roughly a generation), the management let go and a brand new organisation is formed - not unlike a forest fire. There would be some initial inefficiencies for sure but in the long term would breathe new life into the institution

There's a lot of comments from Rogan fans saying this convo needs to happen on Joe’s show so those of us that aren’t geniuses can follow. But I’d argue that’s what makes Bret so unique. He can take super complex subjects & explain them in a way that “normies” can not only understand but get excited about. His appearances on Rogan were amazing because Bret (and Heather) are amazing! But Eric spent half this podcast trying to beat that quality out of him, which is why it feels like Rogan is the missing factor. Don’t get me wrong-Eric has played a role in my new found interest into science & intellectual perspectives, but I gotta be in the right place to take it in. With authentic Bret it’s always easy & I know by the end of his videos-I’ll come out on the other side smarter than when I started AND I can repeat what I’ve learned from him cause it resonates. Erik blows my mind while he’s talking but I have no idea what he was saying after the video is over! I am no Steven Hawking, but there’s a lot of people like me that are craving an intellectual conversation where they don’t feel talked down to. Bret’s style has been integral in my “waking up” process & I hope he never changes. Hearing his story (what happened & who he is) the way that he tells it, single handedly caused my red pill moment. And that matters…..because I’m positive I am not the only one who’s life has changed as a result.

@captainramius790

4 жыл бұрын

You will have many redpill moments

@melissa7705

4 жыл бұрын

Captain ramius I’ve definitely had a few since I left this comment a month ago!

@DIVISIONINCISION

4 жыл бұрын

Here's why, Melissa. Brett speaks as an intellectual speaking to a classroom of undergraduate students. Eric speaks as an intellectual sharing discourse with other academics. He's not dumbing down his speech for the audience. I have a Master's level education (Psychology) and I like Eric's podcasts, but I know that Brett reaches more people. Most Americans are barely Bachelor's level comprehension. Sad but true.

@melissa7705

4 жыл бұрын

DIVISIONINCISION that makes sense. But even more reason for Bret to be Bret & Eric be Eric, right? YOU are gonna be an intellectual whether you listen to either of these guys podcasts. But there’s a shift happening right now & many people are now waking up and craving substance. Substance that they can understand. That’s why these 2 approaches are needed in these times. When I listen to Erik, I always learn something new....usually mind blowing. But I can’t tell anyone I know cause they’d be lost (sadly). But Bret gets me ecstatic & excited about evolutionary biology, always inspiring me to leave him & learn more about a subject.

This is probably the best KZread interview I've ever witnessed; so informative, so personal, and so powerful. And this is from someone with an unused BS Engineering degree.

I'm an Undergrad Biological & Biomedical Science student hoping to specialise in physiology. Incredible story. I learned a lot of lessons from this story.

You can tell they're brothers by how Eric talks to him and calls him boring hahahaha

@sergiemotiev1817

4 жыл бұрын

And a moron ))

This was the most interesting, profound and weighty thing I've ever seen on KZread. Thank you Eric for getting your little bro to do it. It's obvious you love him very much.

I never knew that Bret was a super genius. Hope you’re both able to get his work the recognition it deserves.

@charliecampbell6851

4 жыл бұрын

They both are. What’s scary is, Eric is even smarter than Bret. If you watch (or have watched) their stream a few days ago, you can see Bret getting extremely lost in Eric’s concepts, and also Eric being a bit tragically frustrated at people being stupid.

@andrewdevine3920

Жыл бұрын

@@charliecampbell6851 He could never invent something like the rotato, though.

You have the absolute best overall background ‘stage’ setup of all KZreadrs. Love when your videos transition from daytime to night.

"What if the Hayflick Limit is a protection against dying from immortality at a cytological level, that if some cell gets a dream of immortality that it shouldn't have because let's say it's a somatic cell and it says, ok, let's keep dividing and dividing and dividing - nature knows how to do this - and that immortality, which sounds good at first, is actually called cancer. And so in computer science we would say you've introduced a recursion into a while-loop or a for-loop to make sure you don't have a resource leak, which is what a tumor is." ...holy shit... **head explodes**

@JeffCaplan313

4 жыл бұрын

If you'd like your head to keep exploding, marry this knowledge up with PKD's VALIS experience and his scary quote, "The Empire Never Ended." and then follow that up with some DMT or holotropic breathing while you reflect on the nature of 'Empire' and 'Ego'. 😉

@TheJeremyKentBGross

4 жыл бұрын

@@JeffCaplan313 pkd what? Only thing I followed there is that DMT is awesome which I already found out.

@JeffCaplan313

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheJeremyKentBGross Phillip K. Dick. He's a dead scifi author who was fairly prolific. Inspired Blade Runner, The Matrix, and like 4 other movies you may or may not have seen. He was channeling Gnostic mythology at the time, and Gnosticism is all about having an *experience* of the divine.

@TheJeremyKentBGross

4 жыл бұрын

@@JeffCaplan313 Oh i know him.. sorta. Read one of his books before.

@TCSyndicate

4 жыл бұрын

recursion limit.

This whole 'incident' should be made into a documentary film it needs to be preserved so future generations don't fall for the same broad institutional madness

@blakea83

4 жыл бұрын

Wrong incident. Watch the full video

@robomalley2690

4 жыл бұрын

@@blakea83 that's the point.. it's the wrong incident

@cellardoor5895

4 жыл бұрын

It would be a compelling documentary, more than a movie, for its lack of resolution

I did not expect this to be my favorite youtube video that I ever viewed.

ERIC HAS THE BEST HAIR. IT LAYS SO SWEETLY ON HIS HEAD, WITH THE TOUCH OF GRAVITAS GRAY. GREAT INTELLECTUAL GIVE AND TAKE. THESE GUYS ARE BRUTALLY HONEST AND AMAZING. THEY CAN REALLY HOLD AN AUDIENCE !

I wonder how many instances of this problem have happened in the last 50 years.

@trequor

4 жыл бұрын

How many Bretts were missing an Eric in their corner?

@goodfella_

4 жыл бұрын

I need to have 2 kids.

@TheCandisr

4 жыл бұрын

How about the last 5000 years? Lol.

@Slassh69x

4 жыл бұрын

More then would ever be admitted.

@joemorris5540

3 жыл бұрын

Look up craniofacial dystrophy / orthotropics. Bret even has an interview with one of the leaders in this movement Dr Mike Mew.

It's almost hard to believe when Eric was in JRE he actually undersold the story, I thought it was just hyperbole, but oh my god, Bret deserves the credit he is owed.

@ColtYohn

2 жыл бұрын

They're both lying/too self obsessed to comprehend the truth

Bret is in my country at the moment he came over for a symposium in Bath and is doing interviews. I’ve been a follower of Dark Horse Podcast for two years. Anyway I was watching one of his interviews yesterday and my thoughts are that Netflix should make a film about his life. He is such an interesting man and has been through so much and he and Heather have been to lots of far flung places. Yes that’s a film I would love to see.

This is saved on my podcasts and I have heard it a many times. I cannot get past the loss to Bret. I cannot forget the kind nature of Bret and his willingness to let this pass. I completely love the truth of Eric, bringing this to light and calling out Greider. Eric is somebody trying to right a wrong.