Thanks for thinking out loud and giving me some sense of clarity with the dilemma plaguing me for weeks. Very insightful, articulate, and appreciated.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help 🙏

Came to this video to help me decide between a Rev2 and a Prologue, but got so much more from this video. Your detailed explanations and how you decide on which synth is for you helped a lot. Also that Xenomorph canvas is incredible 👌🏾 I'll subscribe for that alone.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha I'm glad you love her! 🖤 I really appreciate your kind feedback. Both synths are incredible pieces of hardware, but for me the sound of the filter, the VCO's and all the user oscillators and FX put the Prologue over the top. Could totally see someone feeling the exact opposite lol.

Great video. Korg Prologue is an underrated synth with a few handicaps but a hell of a lot of sonic potential. For the $$, it's hard to find something in that price range that can produce the magic it can unleash. You mentioned the drifting voices and I agree its a big plus.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Hopefully with the release of the Modwave, Opsix etc people will pay more attention to the analog side of Korg.

Great video sir. I just bought a Minilogue XD for a lot of the same reasons to bridge the gap between my crazy software synth library. Wish it had 8+ voices though. Although I could pick up a module version as well for 8 voices all day for less $ than the Prologue. What we need is a Prologue 16 XD with 3 LFOs, dedicated sub-osc/noise, 64-step sequencer, and more filter options!

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

I would love a 16 voice Prologue XD!! The minilogue is great though, and I'm surprised by how little I use the extra voices with the Prologue

I picked up the Rev 2 16 voice as soon as they rebranded back to Sequential. The 32X mod matrix is no joke, and the sequencers are super powerful too. Absolutely one of the most flexible non-modular synths under $2,500.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

The king!

Thanks for your time investigating these synths. So helpful. I am looking for a go to analog synth, and had been considering the prologue, but now will consider the Beringer. Again, thank you.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to help 🙏

@paulpetersen8146

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture I'm using Logic ProX. It has some nice sounding soft synths. Can you reccomend a hardware synth that would interface well so I could use its knobs to control the soft synths knobs? Maybe a hardware synth (Korg:)) that also sounds good on its own? Thanks for your channel and sharing your research.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

That's tough. Omnisphere had great hardware integration, but if you're using other synths like the amazing Alchemy in Logic then you can use any midi controller with knobs and faders and midi learn them. If you do choose to go with a hardware synth, definitely go with something you like the sound of. Don't be afraid to go cheap if you plan to use it mostly to control soft synths.

@paulpetersen8146

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture . I have a MOXF I'll try the learn function with. Thanks again for your help.

Deep mind 12 is so underrated it's one of the best synths on the market especially for that price point but the Behringer stigma holds it back but I think overtime people will realise how much of a classic it is

The Rev2 uses DCO's so that's probably why it sounds so different from the Prologue. But you can actually use the gate sequencer to recreate VCO behavior which has been a game changer with the base sounds you can make as a starting point!

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

No doubt the Rev2 can sound really good, especially with the slop knob. I think the filter makes the biggest difference. You lose a lot of bass when you crank the resonance.

@numb1010

Жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture Using the gated sequencer to add slop is nicer, search for "Rev2 Voice Component Modeling" on KZread

Good explanation. I think the big takeaway that people need to really consider when watching overviews or comparisons is keeping in mind what they’re looking for a synth to do and how it fits in with the rest of their hardware and software. And it makes sense if you want a poly with VCOs that plays nice with Omnisphere. If someone doesn’t already have the $500 software synth then yeah, maybe something like a Rev 2 makes more sense on the sound design side. Or Hydrasynth. Or even a Peak. Now that they’ve added user wave tables it’s super flexible if you don’t already have a software system that covers the same ground. Assuming someone actually cares about the sound design side. Good job on keeping this in context of fitting in with the other tools you want this to work with. Most important is that an instrument inspires someone to play. So if you have something that sounds good that you can just mess around with away from the computer, which also adds a good tactile interface on the software side, that’s pretty handy. I find software synths super handy but often incredibly boring to work with without the right interface so I get way more use out of some mono synths that are less capable but just more fun to use.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

This is a great and insightful comment, thank you 🙏

@buschovski1

Жыл бұрын

yeah your comment is great i agree totally

I haven't tried the Rev2, but the Korg's keyboard feels like playing butter. I love it. And I've had a lot of synths. It's also a gorgeous synth.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

The Korg Prologue's keybed is my favorite I've ever played. I never cared too much about the quality of keybeds until I played this one's. Wow.

@gr3g0r5

3 жыл бұрын

the rev2 has the nicer keybed imo. I'ts a bit firmer so velocity is more usable. Also note that the prologue does not have aftertouch, though it can recieve it, when triggered externally. But if you really want a good keybed, skip the synths and get a doepfer lmk2 or something similar with a real hammer action.

Nice video. Liked how you dragged other synths into the mix for comparison.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate it!

This is a remarkable analog synth comparison /review. The absolute best I've seen. Thank you.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

So glad you found it helpful! 🙏

hello! I'm a bass player and I'm about to buy a Prologue. I want a synth to play Bass. I already have a Moog sub phatty, which I want to use both for live play, the Moog for 808 and the Prologue for Sub Synth Bass. It makes sense?

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

I think a minilogue XD would be fine for bass, since you wouldn't need the extra voices. Something to consider!

The preset sequenzes from the minilogue sounds just amazing. I think there are a lot to start a nice track and make the lead sound and other things on a second synth with 8 or 12 voices.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

Very good review of the offerings in that market. Someone on a forum mentioned than appart from the reissue (and p6) , the Prologue is probably the closest thing to an original Prophet 5 in terms of features.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

That's a great way to think about it. The reissue of the P5, emphasizes that number of LFO's and envelopes isn't directly proportional to the value of a synth.

The value of simplicity is underrated. I had a Minilogue found that its limitations were the biggest feature. It was so easy to make something that just sounded great. It was very inspiring to play. While the Rev2 has more bells and whistles, who's to say that it has the right amount? You can always wish it had something more. And that's where software shines. So to me if you want to get deep go for software. If you want a great sound that is engaging to play, go for the Prologue.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

I agree with all of this!

I can't decide between getting the Minilogue XD and Bass Station II (possibly both) or only getting a Hydrasynth or maybe the DeepMind 12. I'm still fairly new to synths. Purchased the Roland Gaia a little while ago Thoughts or suggestions on these synths?? Two smaller synths XD and BS II or the bigger more complete Hydra or DM 12? For reference, I do mostly my own music creation and some classic rock. Typically for home studio and coffee house smaller gigs.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

If all of my synths burned in a fire and I had to rebuy out of the synths you mentioned, this is the order in which I would buy them: Minilogue XD Hydrasynth Deepmind 12 Bass Station The Hydra is a beast but might be a little too complex for what you're looking to do. I think the Minilogue or DM12 are the best beginner options. I recommend trying to spend as little as possible for your needs at first, and make purchases slowly to fill gaps in what you have covered sonically. Hope that helps!

@IRIDEHARLEYS

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture Thanks! It helps a lot. It was your videos that really directed my attention to both the Prologue 16 and the Minilogue XD and made me aware of what they are capable of. I can't put my finger on it exactly but nothing moves me quite like the sounds these two synths can create. They have that old school appeal and more modern sounds all in one. As you noted, if we were rich we'd have several different favorites in our studios. Lol

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

I really think the Minilogue XD is an amazing synth at an amazing price point.

@IRIDEHARLEYS

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture I would really like to get the Prologue 8, but for the price and what a person is getting do you think the Minilogue XD is the better deal?

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I think the XD module with a midi controller is the way to go. Unless you go Prologue 16 so you have enough voices to go bitimbral.

Hey bros , i would like to make music sounds like soviet post punk , molchat doma what should i buy ?

@VultureCulture

3 ай бұрын

Good news is you don't need much to get that raw sound. If you want to go analog I'd recommend a Dreadbox Typhon or Hades, Minilogue XD, Minifreak or Take 5 depending on budget.

Can you tell what hardware synth or plugins was used for the insane saw bass in the track ZHU lost it?

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Hard to know just by listening, but I found this quote from Zhu: I use Logic as my DAW, and i also use analog synths like the Dave Smith Evolver, and Moog. Software synths... i have a bunch too. Sylenth, Linplug, Gladiator, Rapture, Native Instrumentents, Ohmforce, Minimoonsta. Live set up is traktor s4

Excellent comparison video! I have a (noob) question: I thought I heard you describe the Mini XD as a 4 oscillator synth. Are you adding 3rd party dual oscillators available for the multi-engine to the 2 existing analogue VCOs to get 4? I've had an XD for 2 years now and I still have a ton to explore with the default 3. Thanks!

@VultureCulture

5 ай бұрын

I should have said 4 voices! Because the Minilogue has 2 VCO's and a third digital oscillator per voice.

Interesting review with a clear point of view, thanks. About the Moog One (22:00), there are also people who buy a Ferrari and have it serviced every half a year. It’s a known selling fact that the suffering creates more attachment if you spent huge $$$ 😉… and I find the car comparison not that wacky, more cylinder/ hp = more oscillators. But then if you compare that one oscillator of an original Oberheim SEM (or even the nice SSM oscillators from the Polysix) to the modern ones, you understand that it needs 16 today to achieve the same blast.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Good comparison with the car for sure. The Moog One appeals to a certain kind of buyer - not a typical musician, which is what I'm focused on and who I'm talking to. No doubt the Polysix and SEM have incredible oscillators, but there's nothing in principle stopping makers of synths from creating just as great if not better sounding gear nowadays. Always hard to tell how much nostalgia factors into what we hear. Thanks for the comment!

Very nice video!!! I have prologue 8 and im little bit confused in sythetizers at all. Im a begginer in it. I just want to ask you, If its possible to delete some of preset sounds. I dont like all of them and I wish i could clear it. Thank you🌱

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

I believe you can using the librarian downloaded for free from the Korg website. www.korg.com/us/products/synthesizers/prologue/librarian_contents.php

I'm honestly considering grabbing a Korg Modwave, I already have a Microfreak and a Microkorg (and some effect pedals), honestly wanting to expand my sound library as much as possible, and I don't mind going into the desktop or boutique world as long as Im able to use one of my synths to control it.. Does anyone have any suggestions in the $500 - $800 price range new or used ?

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

The Modwave or the WaveState are both great options in terms of giving you crazy flexibility for the price. Otherwise if you want to go software Omnisphere is amazing and will give you everything you need.

@dr.papadopolis7171

Жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture Thank you, I will definitely check out that software, it's down to Modwave or Hydrasynth for me at this point they are both such beautiful sounding machines...

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Can't go wrong with either!

This young man gets it. He's got what it takes to produce and narrate videos. He's right on about the Prologue.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate it! 🖤

Great video! Thanks for your analysis. Any thoughts on the nymphes as a six voice analog on a budget?

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's great! Wish the reverb was stereo. I don't think it's as versatile as a Minilogue XD - but the thing it does, it does really well. Nymphes and Typhon together would pretty much cover your bases for analog.

I got the Prologue8 new for $850 and it was worth every penny. I don't ever run into voice stealing and the timbre options are pretty accessible in the menus. It seems to be a popular synth for the Synthwave, Post-Punk, Post-Rock crowd.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed with all of that!

I notice you made a comment regarding static or something while using the triangle waveform on the VCO. I noticed this on mine as well. What do you make of it?

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Couple possibilities. One is I probably shouldn't have been pushing the level too hard, I think I might have been causing some internal clipping by turning the volume all the way up. Another is the wave-folding of the triangle is caused by something like foldback distortion. There could be some minor miscalibration causing it to distort. Either way it's subtle enough that it's kinda cool to chalk it up to the randomness of analog gear.

@spec24

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture Very true. Thanks. Keep up the good work!

Hai Vulture, can you telle me if teh The ASM Hydrasynth also makes dirty analog sounds. The vids i found are all kinda clean.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Hello! I do not have one so I can't say. The filters sound really good but if you have your heart set on dirty analog it might not be the synth for you (think minilogue xd, prologue, Rev2, even peak/summit)

@TyGreenGoblin

3 жыл бұрын

I own the hydrasynth and summit along with an elektron analog heat. The hydrasynth does not emulate analog as well as the summit yet I can run the hydra through summit prefilter and/or the heat to help with the saturation/character of the hydra's digital signal. Trust me the hydrasynth is what you want in a digital synth though. I learned synthesis at an extremely fast rate with the hydra in a way vsts could not show me. The oscillascope display helps a lot on top of the routing interface which is easy to comprehend. Pretty soon I will be audio processing and working with some of the semi modular functions of the synth. Great product. Also the summit........is incredible. Little light menu diving but it is very easy to get an initialized patch going and sounding great. I like the reverb on the summit almost as much as the strymon blue sky......

Have a look at rev2 using the sequencer to do slight voice detuning, gives it real old school warmth without using slop. Also rev2 Keybed is on of the best. I have rev2 16 voice. Unbeatable unless you want Sem filter from ob-6, which is pure bliss.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

No doubt the Rev2 is top notch

@_EightySix

3 жыл бұрын

Bought a Rev 2 with a desire for analog poly warmth and lushness, quickly sold and bought OB-6. I just didn't know at first.

@passivehouseaustralia4406

3 жыл бұрын

@@_EightySix Mate I completely understand, rev 2 is more sharp and chirpy " Out of the box" but warmth can be found. See Robust American patches for REV2 on youtube. They show its capabilities well I think. OB-6 as I mentioned is the 80's in a box and is warm from the get go. Patch 007 Broken EP is worth 50% of the price IMHO and I think may be the greatest patch of all time.... (Completely debatable Ha Ha).

@_EightySix

3 жыл бұрын

@@passivehouseaustralia4406 lol, gonna check out 007 as soon as I get back near the OB.

so if i dont have omnisphere and have no intention of buying it which one of these is the best choice? i want to sound design but also like the sound that the minilogue XD/PROLOGUE has

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

If you were only to have one synth I would go with one of three: The Minilogue XD is the cheapest analog poly and gives you basically everything you get with the Prologue but with four voices (really great) the Behringer Deepmind 12, not much more expensive, great sound design, based on the Juno 106, or the Prophet Rev2, the most expensive but the most premium.

@Irvonidragon

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture thank you

Great Video - just saw it now and need to completely review my decision for my new analog synth. Just needed to subscribe because of this cool comparisons. Thanks :o)

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to help! 🙏

This was interesting. I really like the System-8. I got it and I love using it. Having the JX, Juno and Jupiter as well as System 8 motor is grand. I am curious about the Korg. But I don't know what to go for.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I've softened on the System 8, as I do think it's a powerful layout and the plugout options are great.

@loreleiofthemist

2 жыл бұрын

the system 8 is one of my dream synths. dont super care for the look but ive long been sold on the sound. it's one of the best sounding digitals ive ever heard and with the best emulations of classic rolands you can get in a hardware device. and it's own system 8 engine is definitely nothing to sneeze at

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

I'm there with you, I absolutely think there's a target market for it, it's just not me.

@ubiquitousreverser

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I enjoyed the microkorg for what it is but Roland knocked the crap out of virtual analog synths with the Analog Circuit Behavior/ACB they use for the System 8. I had the Sys1 for a bit. If they would have made a better knob for the filter Cutoff and Volume, as they were small and too sensitive, I would have kept it. It can sound like a glassy digital beauty or a crusty, basement dusted analog monster. Been sampling the VST on the free 30 day cloud membership to use for single cycle waveforms in Harmor.

Today got my new Behringer DeepMind 6 (bought it cause of size and a little bit lower price instead of 16). And yes, this is my first hardware analogue synthesizer, but I know the basics and can create some sounds. But, with DeepMind it's reeeally hard, I don't know why, but it has like too many options and I think I'll need about a month to learn just how to use it. I hope this was right choice and I can use DeepMind to do what I want. I've tried Minilogue XD in a shop and it was much easier to create a sound in some minutes, whereas DeepMind is really harder to get the thing you want from.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Oh for sure. That's the beauty of the minilogue xd, but some say it's too simple

Regarding the Behringer Deepmind12, there is just shallow menu-diving - the menus are logic, intuitive and fast.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I think it's a great option!

Nice comparison. Seem to be the only one on KZread comparing Prologue and Rev 2. I've spent 6 months researching and I still can't decide! Prophet's modulation and Fatar+AT, sequencer + 4pole vs 16 VCOs, better FX, LF comp and tone..

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised there's not more people covering it. To my eye they're the obvious choices for someone looking for an analog poly. The good news is they both sound great. I think in the video I say this but basically, I prefer the tone of the Prologue/filter, however I have a bunch of synths so the lack of modulation isn't huge to me. If I had to get only one analog poly it would probably be the Rev2.

@RockStarArtists

Жыл бұрын

I know nothing about this. But I need to buy equipment for a super talent song artist and keyboard player. Can you incorporate the rev 2 16 voice module into the prologue 61 key 16 voice analog?

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Hey! Welcome to the wild world of synthesis. The Rev2 voice expander card does not integrate into the Prologue, if I understand your question.

@RockStarArtists

Жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture I am not sure what I’m talking about. I want to buy the whole prophet rev 2 16 voice module for about 2 grand. And plug it into the prologue 16 with the keyboard. Thanks for response my friend.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean you want to play the Rev2 module with a Prologue keyboard? To do that all you need is a midi cable. Does that answer your question?

I am eyeing Peak also with the intention of controlling VSTs. You might want to look at Electra One controller.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I'll check it out, thanks for the tip!

Its fucking bonkers that just 3 years later that same 8 voice Rev2 is now $2499. That almost a 70% increase in cost in 3 years. W.T.F.

@loweni7460

7 күн бұрын

That's synthflation for ya

Great comparison! I have the Hydrasynth, System8, Deepmind12, MinilogueXD and you are spot on with the comments. I'm happy as I just picked up a Prologue16 for £850! The question is will I still keep the MinilogueXD.

@VultureCulture

10 ай бұрын

They seem to be good for different things. I just saw Vamp Acid on perform at Knobcon on a Monologue XD and it was a sick sequencer-based set.

I feel like if you have the money and space, the prologue 8 voice is a perfect synthesizer if you want something different that's not going to be your main synth although it could be if you want that dark, creamy sound. It's not exactly cheap but I've seen them go for about 850 used so for the price I feel like you actually get a very nice sounding keyboard. Not perfect by any means, but you can definitely get some great sounds and textures out of it.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@nathandavidhall

2 жыл бұрын

I got a Prologue 8 with Micro Cube GX amp (both in excellent shape) for $600 recently, just got to have a healthy fb marketplace/craigslist addiction!

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

That's awesome!

I think you made the right decision. The Prologue sounds amazing and it's $1500 for 16 voices. People complain about lack of modulation options and features (e.g. just one lfo) etc but I think the macro oscillator mitigates that to a greater extent because you can get the waveforms you would typically aim for via a modulation matrix right at the start of the signal flow. You don't need a modulation matrix if you have a macro oscillator. Or rather, you need it less.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

For sure! For what it's worth the user osc can have lfos built in and running the synth bitimbrally allows more lfos and the lfos can be polyphonic

I have the first minilogue, the XD which I bought because I thought it covered what the prologue could do in terms of sound quality and types, at least on paper the sound engines are virtually the same, and the XD appears more capable with motion sequencing. One day I had the chance to side by side compare both a prologue and moog one side by side in a quiet room. I was blown away by the Prologue. The sound is much more analog and inspiring than the moog. The Prologue is insanely alive, where the moog one has a high quality to it, its overall dull by comparison. That simple. For the price the moog is a loser. If I had I had infinite money and tIme to waste on it, sure I would have a moog-one besides my better synths. So after I was finished comparing the both, and already full-well knowing how the XD sounded since I bought that one months before the Prologue, I knew the Prologue had at least one fundamental difference that was obvious in it's VCO's compared to the XD. When you turn either of the frequency knobs on the Prologue versus the frequency knobs on the XD, it is like night and day in the way the pitch changes on the Prologue......its the blade runner "effect". You cannot get this on the XD no matter what you try. So it appears the Prologue is either sampling the knob position a lot faster and/or with finer resolution or there is a fundamental difference in the VCO's. I haven't dug any deeper into why this is, like look at the schematics of both, but I know other prologues I've played since buying mine respond the same way, and other XD's I've played since dont respond like that at all, and just like most of all the other synths do, the XD responds flatly, dulley with no life as you sweep the pitch up or down. Try doing this on a Prologue and you'll understand why this is the best sounding, best deal hands-down for the price for a "real" analog polysynth that uses full-on VCO's and has patch memory unlike so many of the Behringer except the deepmind. I have a deepmind too, and while I love it, it doesn't exceed or equal anything to the Prologue except some modulations routings and other minor but still useful features. I also have the Rev2 and prophet 10. The Rev2 has a great sound and can get somewhat close to that of a real vco if you program it correctly, and the synth is very inspiring. The prophet 10 is an equal to the Prologue in my opinion as far as the particular type of musical inspiration a real vco synth gives you, and actually so far I have been able to more easily create better, more inspiring, evocative textures / patches on the Prologue than the P10. I'm pretty sure my P10 has it in it to match up to that level, but just saying that for each hour I've spent so far on sound design using each synth, I've achieved much better results using my Prologue. Btw, for most sounds the XD is equal in that is matches up pretty much exactly to the Prologue. But overall, the Prologue is superior and for some sounds the XD will never match up to the Prologue. Prologue is defintely worth the money for theb16 voice version.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear from you! Lucky to have a P10 and a Rev2 in your collection as well! Shocking that the Moog One didn't live up to the Prologue for you

Just bought the minilogue xd...should I have gotten the prologue? I’m not highly experienced wit synths, would it not do me any good to have a powerful synth such as the prologue if I’m not highly experienced ? and maybe start off smaller with the xd? Or should I have just got the prologue and went for the bacon. And made it a point to learn. Money wasn’t a concern so I’m wondering if I made the right choice.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I think the XD is a great choice for a beginner. Its a great synth, no shame in working with four voices

@TheJsjr

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture thanks for the fast feedback man your on point with that. I canceled the order and got the prologue 😅 wish me luck. Subbed.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Ahahaha well that's awesome, I love the prologue and I think you will too. I have a playlist on my channel of just prologue videos: kzread.info/head/PLZUsvzlelfZclcel2LkbjuxadF7RwQ9lD

@TheJsjr

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture good man! I appreciate that I will definitely be checkin those out 💪🏼✊🏼🙏🏼

which synth do you think its worth and more reliable? the ju06a module or the deepmind 6? thanks for replying

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

I don't have direct experience with either but on paper the DM6 smokes the Juno module with 2 more voices, that are analog, and also based off the Juno, except with incredible effects and expanded modulation.

@marcoagius6926

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture okay thanks!

The only synth I own is an ms-20 mini, I would really like a polysynth but I'm not sure where I should begin. I'm looking for something with a beginner friendly interface that has enough features that I don't get the urge to upgrade down the line. Would you recommend the prologue given my situation? Currently the ms-20 mini and a Korg grandstage are my only keys.

@MrTownsend

3 жыл бұрын

How do you like the MS-20? I'm thinking of adding another analog mono synth (use a Moog Voyager). Have you thought about Minilogue XD? The Motion Sequencing is pretty amazing. I use the Minilogue with my Prophet and I love that little machine.

@b.c.2281

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrTownsend the minilogue XD is definitely something I've considered, the fact that it has more features than the prologue is a bit confusing tbh, and a well featured sequencer is attractive. The MS-20 is really nice, it was definitely a good beginner synth to teach myself the basics and it sounds great. My only battle is the tuning, the intonation of my keyboard is way off and none of my local shops know how to correct it. It's out about a semitone per octave, which is borderline unusable in its current state. Might be a sample size of one issue though.

@MrTownsend

3 жыл бұрын

@@b.c.2281 I would look at a combi of the Minilogue XD for pads/sequencer and MS-20 for gnarly bass and leads! Would be a slick setup!

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I think the Minilogue XD module with a great midi controller is pretty unbeatable in terms of features to price.

@RoomAtTheTopStudio

3 жыл бұрын

Personally I would opt for the Prologue and maybe the Akai MPC One to sequence both the MS-20 mini and the Prologue. With this you have a powerful sequencer that can sequence your hardware synths and you have a sampling drum machine to create your beats on. That would basically be a hardware set up without the use of a computer. Grab a secondhand 4 track cassette recorder or a 8 track digital recorder and that's a DAWless set up. Alternatively you could get a mixer and record through the mixer to a DAW if you are using one

I'm in the same position, Omnisphere user wanting to buy a hardware synth for control (hate the midi controllers with unlabeled knobs, improper layout, etc) and also to have my first irl synth for that use in itself. The main thing that stops me from getting the Prologue is the lack of aftertouch, which is a must for me and one thing I've been lacking in my current setup (been using a digital piano with weighted keys). So I'm thinking Rev2. I was thinking Summit for a while but I tried it out at a store and wasn't crazy about it. Has nothing to do with the digital oscillators though, early on I was wanting analog specifically but I've learned I don't care at all about that, and my dream synth is a Virus TI but $3000 for the keyboard version...will probably end up getting the $2000 module later, but for now I really need a synth-style large keybed with aftertouch. I suppose I could get an Arturia KeyLab but $500 is a lot to spend on a midi controller. The Rev2 seems to be the best option for me in price to quality and with a great keyboard. Deepmind is a great choice but is not for me layout-wise. I love the Prophet layout, probably because one of my early soft synths I spent a lot of time with was a Prophet 5 clone (memorymoon's Messiah). The Minilogue XD module is in definite consideration for a future purchase as well. Any thoughts?

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I think the Rev2 is a great choice and the best quality/value on the market. The ASM Hydrasynth has poly aftertouch which is pretty incredible, if you don't care about analog. The Prologue responds to aftertouch now, just the keyboard doesn't send it, for what it's worth.

@AvengingEnder

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture Yeah that poly aftertouch could be interesting. What do you mean by the prologue responds to aftertouch? I don't understand, isn't sending aftertouch through the keyboard the only aspect of aftertouch?

@gregsilver_official

Жыл бұрын

@@AvengingEnder What did you go for? Highly interested!

personally i own the rev2 16voice and like the fact that its multimbral. You can split and or layer patches on it wich means you have in fact 2, 8voice rev2’s if you own the 16voice one. Thats the smart marketing of the rev 2. When you layer the 8 voice you only have 4 voices per layer. Im not sure but i think the prologue does not have this function. What sold me on the rev2 tho is the modulation slots. Its possible to controle features with other features. And above that you have a audio modulation env. The way i see the rev 2 is like a analog version of massive or serum but with regular waveshapes.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

The Prologue is multi-timbral just like the Rev2 - same idea with the 16 voices. The Rev2's modulation matrix blows the Prologue out of the water in terms of what you can do with it.

@Freddy_VHS

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture cool! I was choosing between the rev2 and the prologue when i went to buy my synth:p rev 2 just had some more options so i went with that

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

It's a great choice!

Before I bought the Sonic Extensions I watched your videos and never regret it. I ordered couple days ago the Minilogue XD Module, it will arrive tomorrow. I think it will be great to control an amazing soft synth AND to make sounds with the hardware. After buying Push 3 and effect pedals I realised how much I hate to make music with the mouse. I feel like people don't appreciate the hardware integration thing enough, thank you for this nice video

@VultureCulture

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad you've been enjoying my videos! The Minilogue XD is one of the greatest sounding synths!!

One more question can you get the same modulation possibilities as you can with the Korg Prologue as far as with the Omnipshere integration goes with REV 2

@StayAway

3 жыл бұрын

Using a REV 2*

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Omnisphere expands the Prologue to having three LFO's instead of just one, so you're basically there. The Rev2 has an auxillary envelope which is useful for certain sounds that the Prologue is lacking. *However* within Omnisphere you have many, many more modulation routings, envelopes and LFO's than the Rev2 anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

@StayAway

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture so you get he same modulation options if you have the rev 2 with omnisphere integration vs the korg prologue with omnisphere integration?

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

From the front panel of the synth, no, but that would be true of any synth. The Rev2 doesn't do everything the Prologue does and vice/versa. However, you're never limited in Omnisphere to the front panel of your synth (for instance you could use the OB-6 filter on either of them)

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

If you want to know more I recommend you watch my video on Omnisphere's Hardware Integration: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mIV1xad-pNG7fps.html

Only catch with deepmind is build quality. Its only been 3 month and now I have tons of noise and an extremely unpleasant high pitch (what sounds like a sine wave) sound coming through both headphones and L/R outputs.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Ugh I'm sorry man, that's a real bummer to hear.

Awsome video, touched on everything perfectly!

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏🙏🙏

Rev 2 over Prologue is probably bad advice if you want VCO sound. I bought a Rev 2 and sold it quick, it sounded like a Novation Peak, which is fine, but very digital. The difference between VCO and DCO was obvious, or maybe it was also due to the filter on the Rev 2. I ended up with an OB6 and couldn't be happier.

I'm on a budget and I'm between Korg Minilogue XD and Behringer Deepmind. I leaning towards the Deepmind at the moment.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Both are great, you really can't go wrong

@XDanimalzX

3 жыл бұрын

Get the deepmind 12! MinilogueXD only has 4 voices.

@olectrix

3 жыл бұрын

Jep, go with the DeepMind12! I have both - the XD and the DM12 - and the DM12 has a lot more options - it is a beast, versatile and you get a lot of features for the money - not seen at all for the price tag! 12 voices and a super fat effect section - this is nothing you can expect in other synth for the price! It is a no brainer! :-)

I've had a ton of synths to through my studio and my Prologue 8 is the only one I will never sell. I regret selling a few over the years and may get a couple back but I'll never sell the 8

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

It's really much better than people think!

Cool idea with the background music (which is self is pretty cool).

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Rest In Peace, Vangelis (and Dave Smith). Thx for this. I'm picking up a prologue 8 for $800 CDN local tomorrow and so can skip the XD. Price too good to pass up. Would love the 16 by 8 may do. I'm so dumb for not knowing about these Omnisphere mappings. Thx for this too. I've already got some on the list so instantly useful. The Rev 2 is sill on the "to do" list. If that behringer pro-800 actually comes out this new year it will get further pushed back. And thumbs up on the Deepmind 12(D), best FX on any machine, like having a built-in and better, integrated, Zoom MS-70CDR. The System 1m I love, though unfortunately not all plug-outs available for it, including 106 and 60, and only 4 voice.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

All really great recommendations! Enjoy the Prologue! It's my favorite modern synth

Another channel Pink Buddha Academy told this about the Rev2 quote: I love the sound of the Rev2. Don't get me wrong. But I found it hard to integrate into a mix unless I STARTED with a Rev 2 sound. Because it's so hard to program, esp on the fly. I ended up getting to scroll through posts to find something close. To then change, and that's really time consuming. Also, many of the Rev2 sounds are SO thick, and rich, that they take up too much space in the mix of a song. Imho, it's really a synth that wants to be the showpiece - So due to some overlooked design flaws, like the small screen and that there are no very important volume control buttons/sliders mapped, to tweak the individual layer volume - he actually needed to sell it.. The Vulture Culture channel shows his reasons why he opted for the Korg Prologue, but then again I hear people say: If I could only get one - it would be the Summit, without a doubt. The REV2 is a close second. The Prologue isn’t even a consideration. I’d get a DM12 before a Prologue. I’d get a System 8 before a Prologue. I would get a Matriarch before a Prologue and it’s only 4 voice. Honestly, I’d keep my MicroFreak over a Prologue and I’m not just saying that. I’ll gladly take a look at the Prologue revision if it has a switchable filter, aftertouch, a real mod matrix and more LFO’s - So go Novation Summit I guess!? lol..

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Those are all great points!

@SkywalkFPV

2 жыл бұрын

I will just throw some more for who is interested.. So with the prologue you currently cannot combine delay and reverb. And there is no way of syncing the arp to the BPM. They could also better make a knob instead of switch for DRIVE. And there should have been a highpass filter knob instead of LOW CUT switch. Combining all this info and to stay within some kind of budget and not owning any plugins like omnisphere, getting into the world of synths with just one jack of all trades with a good balance between things like price, quality, usability and durability I start to understand why the fully digital Summit comes out on top, no pun.. lol..

Prologue was my first hardware synth - it's a great machine and opened the floodgates of hardware for me. It's been on every single one of my songs since and I will never sell! One of the best tips for new Prologue users is to go pick up the filter pack from Dirtbox synth and all the free user FX from Hammondeggs. Having an extra highpass filter or VCA tremolo/autopan is a game changer for sound design.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I've really been enjoying it too! I'll look into the dirtbox synth stuff for sure! Thank you for the tip

@1SquidBoy

Жыл бұрын

thanks for the tip

Here's the thing,I own a system 8 and a dm12.I will never part with either.I see prologues and monologues and rev 2s and occasionally the odd dm12 on gumtree,but hardly ever s8s ,which is testament to how good the s8 really is.its a superb sounding synth.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it's serving you well! I don't hate the s8, I think it's just not my thing. But the layout is incredible

You have an excellent voice so you don’t need reverb on it for these videos

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, the reverb is actually the untreated room. Gotta fix that.

@cygnusalpha5575

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture oh that’s interesting, well in that case I wouldn’t bother getting rid of it. It doesn’t sound bad it just sounded unnecessary

Omnisphere additionally requires a computer, a midi keyboard and an audio interface and lots of cabling and has no hardware interface so requires mapping to an external controller or using a mouse etc (and internet access). The cost of these soon stacks up. All the prologue needs is a mains cable and an amp

@VultureCulture

Ай бұрын

I'm assuming most people, including yourself, have a perfectly good computer they could run Omnisphere on (it's a plugin from 2008) but fair enough point. I'm still pretty sure you could buy a new computer, an interface, a midi controller and Omnisphere for less than $1,500. But that still is a lot of money for a beginner.

Deepmind is good, but it’s difficult to include it in the mix. I prefer the rev2 / ob6 / xd. They have pros and cons but easier in music composition.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

It's interesting, because DM12 is based on a Juno, but it does, to my ear, sound a little ruder, like it pokes out in a mix more.

I'm like fighting for my life right now between the prolouge and hydrasynth. You are right about the prolouge, its just oozes blade runner type tones, which is the dream. But the hydrasynth with that ribbon and polyphonic after touch. But is the hydrasynth just like a box wrapped around a vst? The Prologue actually is analog. Thanks man you make good points here. I will continue to battle for my life.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Ultimately they're both great choices. Thank you for checking out the video 🙏

@ErraticFaith

Жыл бұрын

Hydra has phenomenal versatility. But it will never sound like the Prologue in reality. Which is enough to melt your face right off lol. Certainly hydra can produce many things -- but without a lot of tweaking its very difficult to shirk it's fairly flat sound. Prologue was designed for immediate performance, complementary to larger digital stations. In that light, it's simple power is a far greater asset than the pure feature hunters would like to admit. If money is tight however and you're looking to tweak for months on end, Hydra doesn't disappoint. Arguably two different market leans entirely. The performer and the synth head.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

I agree that it's difficult to even compare them because they have such different interfaces and sounds. Both are incredible powerhouse synths for different purposes.

I feel you are still a bit fixated on the number of available LFOs although you said one LFO is enough for you. Why don't you just buy an outboard software/hardware lfo? I think all of those synths sound awesome. I love prologue's sound - You could maybe buy two Minilogue XDs and polychain them together?

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I actually made a video after this on how to add more LFO's to the Prologue: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnufudWfpbqfp5s.html I love the Prologue's sound too. Perhaps I should have said "modulation" instead of "lfo"s because what I'm really talking about it the Prologue's limited way to change the sound over time. An extra envelope would have done the trick. Thanks for the watch and the feedback!

@jaakkojokela-bergstrom8018

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture that's awesome! 😯😊 Prologue is the synth for me also - won't buy it til I really need it though. I have other stuff in mind before it 🤗

Hey dude! Love your videos! Just wanted to mention though that the music behind you talking was a little distracting for me. Cant wait to see how this channel grows!

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the feedback! I'll turn the music down a bit in future videos

@chateautemp

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture thanks from me too..great stuff just a little distracting from what you were talking about..or was that the plan all along? Your evil plan is working...Muahahah!

I sent this to my Mrs so she can hear what I’m thinking about out loud 😂 thank you

@VultureCulture

Ай бұрын

Hahahahaha awesome

Do you think the Korg Prologue sounds better than the Rev 2?

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Personally I do, however some people think the opposite and, in principal, I think a good synthesist should be able to make any synth sound good for their sound.

I wonder if you could modulate parameters of the Prologue 16 via MIDI from a DAW...

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

You can, here's a video I did kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnufudWfpbqfp5s.html

@kekethetoad

2 жыл бұрын

Nice. Cheers

I'm looking at the Prologue... but remember, the DSI P12 is 12 voice 4 oscillator... Hybrid, similar to the Summit...

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

The P12 looks/sounds like a really cool synth. I own two vintage hybrids, and they're really neat. Overall it depends on how much the whole VCO thing means to you. In terms of synthesis modulation the P12 slaughters the Prologue lol

Hey Alex, Have you ever checked out the Arturia Poly Brute? As I stated before, the only 2 synths that I really want over the select few I am keeping is the Korg Prologue and the Arturia Poly Brute. I would think it is worth the money over the rev2, the Novation Peak and even the OB-6. Then again I already have 2 Oberheims. The Matrix is up for sale right now as well as my Minimoog Voyager electric blue. After I get this all situated, maybe, just maybe I will get rid of my OB-XA and get the Behringer UB-XA because I do not agree with Tom Oberheim and his ripoff prices. If the UB-XA is as good as it sounded during beta testing, then I'll support Behringer a little more and have money left over for something else. So please let me know if or when you might find yourself checking out the Arturia Poly Brute. Thanks man! Great content. Well thought out, a lot of research and presented very well! I appreciate your channel!

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much 🙏 I currently don't see myself reviewing the PolyBrute - more because I'm just way down the vintage rabbit hole 🤣

@dez1989

Жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture That is cool and completely understandable! Thanks for what you do!

luuuv ur content bro. all killer no filler fr

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 🙏

Loving these Prologue videos, I feel like it doesnt get enough attention. I'm not an omnisphere user, but I've been looking into picking up a new polysynth recently. I got to play with a Prologue a little bit ago and really haven't been able to shake the idea of picking one up since. There really is something special in the Prologue.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

The Korg Prologue could have easily been improved with more robust modulation options, but the sound truly is glorious, and unique. I neglected to mention the quality of every component that is in this beast is stellar.

@isjoedigital

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulturedefinitely! Also the aftertouch thing gets people down. But the sound is kind of everything I want a poly to sound like, I really haven't seen a bad sounding video with it. Also you were right on when you said they it evokes a blade runner kind of sound.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

@@isjoedigital To fix the lack of expression possibilities, I just bought an enhancia neova, I'm planning on doing some videos with it and the Prologue. I'm hoping adding a ring controller will help me get closer to CS-80 levels of expression, plus I can use it with other synths.

@isjoedigital

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture nice, would def be in checking out that video.

The Prophet Rev2 Oscillators are DCVCOs they're analog VCOs but the knob twist is sending digital signal controlling the VCOs. If you said this and I missed it then cool... crack a brew for me too

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

The digital part of the DCO comes from digitally controlling the tuning, so in that sense the Rev2 has analog DCO's. Cheers! 🍻

@alexanderbelov6892

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture If you need some analog VCO tuning instability on Prophet Rev2 you can add it in controllable way with OSC SLOP in OSCILLATORS. At least it works great in UNISON play mode to create fuzzy timbre like making SuperSaw from plain Sawtooth.

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

The slop, or now vintage function, is one of the most important features on the Rev2 and something that feels missing from my vintage dco synths like the Alpha Juno 2 and JX-3P.

fax i jus can’t connect to a plug-in unlike with an actual real life synth

I love the sound of a prologue but do u think it would be hard to fit a rap vocal on something that sounds so wide and huge? Classic hip hop vocals not auto tuned over processed pop rap vocals btw.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Sure thing, especially if you keep the vocals pretty mono and use the Prologue for very wide pads (which it is great at with all the extra stereo voices)

Great video! Great synth! Very unique sound...which is the entire point of having one. Every synth has pros and cons, that's what makes them unique. I don't need a complete modulation matrix on every synth. PS, know what other synth only has 1 LFO? The Jupiter 8...don't see people losing their sh*t about that.

@VultureCulture

11 ай бұрын

Exactly! If you're going for that classic vintage synth sound it's going to be just one LFO. And by the way, the LFO on the Prologue is polyphonic, not a feature many people talk about.

Would be nice if Korg came out with an advanced Prologue Xd 16 voices with multiple filters and a sequencer

@MrNot4saken

10 ай бұрын

Of course multiple LFO

@VultureCulture

10 ай бұрын

I kind of thought they would, considering the XD has the sequencer. Fun fact: the Prologue actually has an LFO per voice making it a fully polyphonic LFO. You can do key tracking and so forth so different keys play at different rates. Such a shame they didn't allow you to cut down the polyphony for some more complex modulations.

@neuronist

5 ай бұрын

I’d be happy about a minilogue xd 8 already that doesn’t involve 2 boxes with the downsides that brings

what about comparing the sound?

"Here's the thing about this bitch..." haha!

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I am incapable of making it through a video without cursing, I'm glad you thought it was funny!

@Tyetheberious

3 жыл бұрын

Nice content too, man! Good job on this.

subbed! awesome video

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

I bought the rev 2 because it sounds big. Rev 2 16 that is. I compared all in its class money and sound wise. I want a moog sub 37 for that deep rich full bassline sound. This guy on the Rev2 explains why I say it just owns! kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGqqtc9uY5CWkps.html

great video! Lots of good infos!

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Just a little clarification....the REV 2 has a gated sequencer (4 lanes) which is a motion sequencer....so it's not short of that...thank god ....and Dave Smith :)

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

My bad! Yeah the motion sequencing is a big feature missing from the Prologue, I can't believe they didn't incorporate it. Thanks for the clarification!

@RayyMusik

3 жыл бұрын

Another advantage of the Rev 2 is aftertouch. Don‘t know the Prologue keybed, but the Fatar of the Rev 2 is perfect for me.

Put your hands on a System-8 for 30 minutes and see how you feel about it then. It's not "real" analog, but it's one of the most enjoyable synths to program I've ever used, right up there with the OB-6 (which sounds better than anything since the original OBs) and the Prophet 12. Patches just spill out of the System-8, and having the flavors of the Jupiter, Juno, JX, Promars, 101 and the System-8 synth itself all in one super light package... I got mine used for $1000 shipped and it was worth every penny.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

Without a doubt the system 8 has a great layout, and I believe that it could sound great if programmed correctly. I have trouble shelling out even a grand for a VST in a plastic box. However, I totally understand why the system 8 could be the perfect choice for someone else, there is a lot there to be excited about.

@jorhay1

2 жыл бұрын

hostnik 💯 I have a room full of synths and The System 8 holds it’s own. Calling the System 8 a plug-in in a box is just ignorant on so many levels.

@hostnik777

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture - LOL, you think an instrument than can be a Jupiter 8, Juno 106, and SH-101 among many other synths "COULD" sound great... but ONLY if "programmed correctly"?? LOLOL. Your head is so far up your butt you can't even hear yourself talking. Just like the Hydrasynth, the Wavestate, the Opsix, the Virus, the Ultranova etc, the System 8 is far more than a VST in a box. It is a musical instrument, designed for people who just want to make fantastic sounds quickly with their hands. The fact that the mechanism for those sounds is all digital is completely and utterly irrelevant.

You are so right. Fuck the keys, buy a cheap 61 keys midi controller and get the korg minilogue xd module and done. It's incredible what you get for that money.

@VultureCulture

11 ай бұрын

It truly is!

So, A year ago the Korg Prologue was $1499 for the 16 voice Polyphony. Check Sweetwater right now and it is $1699, a $200 increase since this video came out.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

And now that they're discontinued you can expect the price to go up lol

@moromali_minimal

Жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture are they? I still see Prologue on the list of actual products on their website

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

It is in fact discontinued

As far as I understand it, the Prologue's signal path is converted to digital before it hit's the effects section, which is fine. It remains an underrated instrument. But don't acquire a Prologue under the romantic ospice that you're getting a super raw, pure analog instrument. And don't discriminate against the Summit for a similar reason, as it's filter is analog, and I'd be surprised if you can't drift the Osc just like you can on the REV2 and the Hydra ....all killer synths. (the digital oscillator and that it exists in tandem with so many analog voices is the sleeper feature on the Prologue IMHO)

@swanofnutella4734

Жыл бұрын

OH! Deepmind ....the DCO vs VCO thing is far less important IMHO than the fact the waveform options are so restrained at the beginning of the signal path. I know, it's inspired by (and even offers more than the juno106) there, but that was Not the thing to carry over, a huge mistake IMHO and drastically undermines the value proposition, even at it's pricepoint. So many better options for about the same price.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

I agree with all of that and no doubt the Summit is killer. But the Prologue does have a clean analog signal path when the signals are off, which is cool. And I agree about the waveform thing on the Deepmind. It was an interesting hill to die on when they changed so much else about the Juno lol

you can code your own oscillators in prologue!!! that kicks ass

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

So awesome!

Minilogue vs Deepmind 6: who wins?

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Minilogue or Minilogue XD? A lot of people love DM12, but I haven't suggested it because I do get a decent number of comments complaining about build quality. I feel more comfortable recommending the Minilogue XD because it sounds amazing, is VCO-based and stood the test of time so far. Just my opinions tho

Went with the rev2 16 voice over the Prologue. Really was a toss up tho

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

The 16 voice Rev2 is pretty unbeatable in terms of features

@_EightySix

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture S*it tons of LFO's and completely digital sound. Might as well just Download Omnisphere.

Now the Roland Juno x came out. Its digital but it sounds just damn amazing good and realy analog too.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Definitely a compelling synth for a lot of people!

You got me having second thoughts about buying a digital synth for 2000+ dollars. But i did went with the Jupiter X. mainly becouse of its reintegration of digitally modeled classic analogs🙈

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

The Jupiter X feels super premium!

@Justaguy11199

Жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture I really love your videos man! You're is one of the very few synth channels i watch all videos till the end. Your approach and passion for synths is admireable. I have a d50 for quite some time now and your video on the Hcard750 made me by one as well, been willing for some time but after watching your video on it i was convinced. And YES! The Jupiter Strings!! Anyway, i subbed last week and i look forward to new videos after i watched the old ones, really interesting and dare i say, intruiging videos! Keep up the good work, cheers✌️!

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for all the support 🙏 And yes!! That Jupiter strings patch is insane!!

Even more than the analog/digital hype, I think that the VCO/DCO issue is completely overblown. Everybody loves the Juno 106, which has DCOs. And I have an Oberheim Matrix 6R, which has DCOs, but they still need to be auto-tuned (and still seem to drift). I just don't think that it's worth worrying about. Also, as someone who dealt with drift and scaling issues in the 1970's, having shitty, drifty oscillators is not as great as people make it out to be. I have a Peak and a DM 12D, and I generally find that I prefer the Peak. In fact, making the best use of the DM 12 really requires using the iPad app, whereas, working from the panel on the Peak is pretty easy. But, more than that, I just like the sound of the Peak better. The DM is Ok, and I'm keeping it, but I find it a little unintuitive and a lot of the sounds are boring. I'd probably love a Hydrasynth, but I don't buy Chinese products on principle. The System 8 seems pretty pointless to me. I have the Roland Cloud apps, and the System 8 just runs these on hardware. People often complain that all digital synths are just "VSTs in a box", but I think that it's a somewhat valid criticism for the System 8. I don't have Prologue or the Dave Smith/Sequential/Oberheim models that you mentioned either, but I feel like I have enough analog gear already so that ithey wouldn't give me much more in capabilities.

@VultureCulture

Жыл бұрын

All good points! Thank you for your comment 🙏

Just one question. Do you have Omnisphere? 😄 Jk. Great video. I love my prologue!! How closely do you think it can emulate a Juno or Jupiter?

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Closer than you'd think, it certainly makes the types of sounds you could make with a Juno - but it's not a 1-1 recreation or anything.

@ultrajayme

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture right that's what I thought. Definitely doesn't have the same chorus. Detuning is very similar though

@ultrajayme

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture what are some more affordable clones to a Jupiter? Aside from anything you've mentioned.

@ultrajayme

2 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture I'm always going for the Alaska sound from his album Mesozoic Era. Take a listen and let me know what you think he's using!

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

I think one of the choruses built into the prologue is a lot closer to Juno than the default. Nevertheless its going to be different

GREAT VIDEO BUT NOW I AM CONFUSED AGAIN WHAT TO BUY :( MY LIST FOR NOW NR1 ELEKTRON ALANLOG FOUR MKII PLUS EXTRA KORG MINILOGUE XD AND YES OMNISPHERE ALWAYS AND FOREVER STILL NO ARTURIA MATRIX BRUTE SETTINGS FOR OMNISPHERE :( SAD AGAIN

The Korg 'Sounds like Blade Runner to me'... SOLD, SIR

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha yes

Спасибо за видео! Вы мне помогли с выбором ❤

@VultureCulture

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I have the prologue 8 and I didn’t realize how much I love analog until I got the Hydrasynth. Don’t get me wrong the Hydrasynth is awesome but analog is just beautiful!

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

I've been thinking about getting a Hydra. The Prologue really does sound amazing. With the digital oscillator and some DirtBoxSynths user oscillators it really is the best of both worlds.

@Abravenewfear

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture I’m new to the synth thing (guitar player) but the Hydrasynth is more a in-depth deep dive. The more I fiddle with it the more I like it.

@VultureCulture

3 жыл бұрын

It's clearly a very deep instrument, by contrast the Prologue gives you great-sounding results fast.

@Abravenewfear

3 жыл бұрын

@@VultureCulture 👍

@shaft9000

2 жыл бұрын

Horses for courses. Learn the virtues of digital and when it's best used, and it won't be some sort of competition in your mind anymore. The old days of 'justifying my love...for VA/VST" are history.

Hardware inspire me more to create. 🤑

If ya got the summit and hydra , you gotta look at the Modal Cobalt.

@VultureCulture

11 ай бұрын

Modal makes some really amazing stuff

If for studio use only, why not just use omnisphere or diva or whatever, output sound from high quality DAC into a good tube saturator, then back into DAW via high quality interface? Seems a waste of money otherwise...

@VultureCulture

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly even the tube saturator can be emulated pretty faithfully digitally. I mostly use plugins, the hardware is more for fun

@kekethetoad

2 жыл бұрын

Forgot to mention a tape recorder or something of that nature as well. But yeah good point.