This episode was definitely relatable and emotionally charged. Such a talented cast 🤎

Seeing topa’s journey and the build up to this moment throughout the course of the series, what wonderful story telling. This episode had me so emotional, might be my favorite episode so far.

I love how they tackle both transitioning and detransitioning very respectfully manor. No one gets to choose what your body looks like, who you are, or how you present yourself. NO ONE.

Thank God Hulu picked The Orville series up for another season after FOX didn't want to do a 3rd Season. This Star Trek parody is actually better then some Star Trek shows, and you can tell MacFarlane and his crew love making it, probably more so then he is about Family Guy these days.

@prathapkutty7407

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you mean all the recent ones?

@khalilahd.

2 жыл бұрын

Lol exactly

@Kestrel1971

2 жыл бұрын

This is ABSOLUTELY the Star Trek show that the various licencees of Star Trek have failed to deliver. Between the Jar Jar Abrams' abominations and the absolute dreck of Discovery and Picard, The Orville is the ONLY worthy successor to Star Trek. This show needs many, many more seasons.

@snramadhan

2 жыл бұрын

this is Star Trek Orville

@makingthematrix

Жыл бұрын

It's not a parody. They don't try to make fun of Star Trek. They use the same tropes, to the point where it's basically a rip-off, but they do it with respect and come up with even better quality than the original. The comedic moments are there, of course, and they are on purpose, but this is not enough to call it a parody.

The writing And acting for this episode was incredible got me vary teary eyed

@xFlloyd

Жыл бұрын

YES! Incredible, so good

I love the familiar bonds this show presents. They’re so warm and loving. And even before marrying Claire, Isaac prove his worth as a dad. And the fact he was willing to go toe to toe with Klyden to protect someone else’s child speaks volumes. This episode got me in the feels

This entire episode made me cry, so beautifully written, wonderful acting and a true statement on the world we live in

So first the girl transitions (or is transitioned without consent), then chooses to de-transition when they are aware. MacFarlane is really pushing boundaries with his material. I like it.

@numnut154

Жыл бұрын

It's more like she was assigned a gender at birth, and her actual identity did not match what was culturally expected of her.

@WeaponOfMyDestructio

Жыл бұрын

@@numnut154 they fact both is correct is what makes this good scifi!

@alcoholandfun243

Жыл бұрын

​@@numnut154 No. She was forced to change her gender without her consent. Her DNA is telling her she is female.

@somerandofilipino6957

Жыл бұрын

@@numnut154 Who's the artist for your thumbnail?

@kentonbaird1723

Жыл бұрын

I think that's the key to what makes an actually good story: The politics and pressing contemporary issues are present, but you're not told what to think about them or how to take them. You're given the situation, the characters and the reason why each character thinks how they do. The story provides the material, the audience takes different things away from it and has the discussion.

OMG this is probably my favorite story line and character! Topa is my favorite and she is beautiful in costume and out. He voice is like an angel❤️❤️ I hope Hulu keeps this show going and we get to watch her grow and what happens.

Topas actor is amazing

Bortus is a great father he let topa decide for herself instead of forcing her to be what she doesn't want

The acting made this episode so touching…

I felt Bortus in this episode but man, Klyden got me. With Klyden being a traditionalist and also someone who was altered, there must have been a lot of self hatred and confusion that he had to battle with. He's a proud Makklan and he's instilled that into his child but how does one separate "being Makklan" and "being Male". Topa, who knew the consequences of their decision, still wanted to be female. Klyden must feel that that is a rejection of his culture but also of him as he is happy in his gender; maybe the writers will touch on that in a future episode. Maybe Klyden isn't as happy with himself and had questions through out his life; maybe there is a sexism/stigma towards those born female and seeing Topa's acceptance is confusing. Klyden has always been a bit of the outsider on the Orville and it would be lovely to see a Klyden POV episode in the future. So many layers and such amazing writing; I don't want this series to end!!

@jackanarchy99

2 жыл бұрын

Klyden comes from a place of self loathing. Having been told his entire life that males were superior and females were inferior, and knowing he was born female just made him hate himself so much more. That being said, it does not excuse his entitled, sexist and racist beliefs. The guy was a Karen through and through, which I believe Klyden was a play on that.

@eventingirl001

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackanarchy99 I’m not saying that it excuses his behavior; I’m glad the writers didn’t make Klyden one dimensional in portraying that side of the argument. It wasn’t “just because”, the emotional pain is understandable and sad but inexcusable nonetheless. I hope that he gets an arc to accept his gender (whatever that could be) and his child’s gender.

@superexoticshrub

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think Klyden was truly happy. He made a comment that "Topa may never be happy, but happiness is better than despair." I think that was Klyden basically admitting that he's not really happy about it. But it's a kind of sunk cost for him at this point. To admit that he shouldn't have been changed would invalidate his entire life. We see that kind of 'digging in' a lot with points of view that are, if not necessarily religious, at least as dogmatic as religion can be. Invalidation causes a defensive reaction. People who fall for doomsday predictions, for example, often don't break out of it when the prediction fails. They irrationally become *more* convinced. My guess is that Klyden does have the self-loathing Lewynd mentioned and has buried it by embracing tradition to convince himself that it was right and that he wasn't living a lie.

@Loisdz8zh

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully, the Orville will touch up on this if they decide to bring Klyden back. Even if he doesn't change his mind altogether or at all, they should at least address this. After reading your comment, I never really thought of it that way. Of course, I can't forgive him for telling his own daughter that he wished she was never born. But the show should try to get deeper into Klyden's views and answer the question of "why?"

@vandalg282

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, no one sees the other side. What if Klyden was completely okay with it all? No confusion, no self hatred, but instead, love and pride for his culture, traditions and upbringing. Klyden loves being Klyden, he enjoys being male, he doesn't regret who he is, merely that he remembers. But pride and honor matter above all else. I get it, in a word as castrated as it is currently, the opinion is seen as sexist, however, its an entirely sexist origin of said species. Who are we to impart our human views? Which was the storyline through and through, it changes of course when Topa agrees, however Klyden isn't wrong. She will be shunned, and life will be difficult her, especially since she can't go back to her home world and she's weaker than the males.

The girl who plays topa, Imani Pullam is tearing it up. She's going to have a stellar career.

Huge respect to Chad L. Coleman. I can imagine, this was a very difficult part to act. But boy! I hated Klayden before, but I really hoped throughout this episode, he would get escorted to the airlock by someone…

@jackanarchy99

2 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to see Talla walk Klyden to the exit and say something snappy to him as a final FU as they had an unpleasant history in Season 2.

@_Isoa_

2 жыл бұрын

@Coldwater 7274 I can feel your frustration. Klyden has agitated me ever since they introduced Him. Definitely graduated to top 5 in my list of hated characters. 👏🏾😂💯

@senister14

Жыл бұрын

It's his child, we can't question a parents decision.

@lochness5524

Жыл бұрын

@@senister14 even if there decision is damaging to the child’s well-being. Not all parents are willing to do what is best for their children

@lochness5524

Жыл бұрын

Nice to see people who can tell the difference between an actor and a character

Exceptional writing! The actors did a great job. I m glad they revisited this story arc. Very powerful subject matter. Bravo 👏👏

@corykelley786

Жыл бұрын

Great Episode

I just watched this episode. Wonderful writing, acting and story. I just love this show.

@senister14

Жыл бұрын

Not really, and the new episode only shows how the writers how no greater grasp of the bigger story.

I was completely shocked by this episode. How Seth hit this issue head on. And I was completely drawn to Peter Macon’s performance as Bortus, seeking help from Kelly, and totally breaking down in front of her because he didn’t know how to help his child. So real…for me. Devastating and wonderful. Thank you, Seth.

At least we know Isaac will always have the crew’s back no matter what is great, they should make an episode of Isaac going undercover, favorite character Isaac. At least Klyden is gone for good after what he put Locar and Talla through, glad he’s gone.

@calhoun24

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed with a great many respects, but I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Klyden. Noting how the original decision was a cornerstone victory to Moclus, and the consequential reversal that technically took place outside of Union control and orders, I suspect a custody battle might be brewing that could shape Moclan society as a whole sooner than later.

@madquest8

Жыл бұрын

Until Isaac goes meg again. Having him aboard is first class insanity LOL

@breakingboundaries3950

Жыл бұрын

@@madquest8 ?

This is remarkably progressive. Not only did the creators of this include transgenderism, but they also created a situation where the child was forced to transition. Addressing the issues that many parents face. Excellent

0:00-0:06 Bortus is like "I'm not going to lie to my child just because the truth is taboo."

Such a powerful episode! Well written, beautifully acted and hands down, thought provoking! Made me think about what would I do if one of my kids or grandkids felt this way!

I wish I had a father like Bortus

I love this storyline 1. Do the parents have a right to dictate what happens to their kids. 2. The kid wants to DEtransition and the parents don't want that. 3. Are the humans meddling and imposing their views. 4. Can a kid make this decision? And the show doesn't tell you what to think. It just has sides and the sides aren't clear. Classic Trek.

@vianjelos

Жыл бұрын

The fact that Haveena and her colony exist is proof that humans are NOT the ones pushing their views on anyone. The moclan government is. Haveen is older than Bortus or Topa or anyone else on that ship basically and her parents believed way back then that it was wrong to alter her. So that sentiment existed long before the Orville crew. There are other females on the colony who are older than Topa(as they are adults) proving that there were more in hiding(or more who un did the procedure) and there are males fleeing their planet to get to the colony in order to protect their daughters. All of this proves that it is not an issue of human moral intervention on a species that is different. Its a conflict the Moclans have been dealing with for generations. Topa and Haveen just gave them the courage to fight for their existance.

This episode felt like poetry.

The actors are amazingly talented

Such a phenomenal show

This episode was great, but even better was when Klyden finally returns and apologizes, saying "The last time I saw you, I said some very hurtful words. Topa responds, "I Understand, Its okay. And I had tears when Klyden responded, "No, it is not." Because its true. Its obvious Klyden loves Topa, always has, but stuck in his ways could not accept his daughter. But in the end, he came back. But still acknowledges it is not. A nice touch is at the end when Klyden invites Kelly to dinner. Season 3 is a master class in story telling, and Paramount should take notice. Orville is not Woke, its just the fact that the characters and stories have real emotional weight to them even if the setting is futuristic SciFi.

@liesdamnlies3372

Жыл бұрын

If anything it’s anti-woke. It tackles issues of the day head-on like the best Trek episodes did, but they don’t force their opinion of the right answer down your throat. There’s acknowledgement of how and why these issues are difficult to grapple with the entire way through.

@pavelstaravoitau7106

Жыл бұрын

The Orville is woke. Star Trek was also always woke. And that's a good thing.

@pavelstaravoitau7106

Жыл бұрын

@@liesdamnlies3372 no. Just no. The Moclan culture is shown to be bad. Sometimes cartoonishly so. It is very obvious who is in the right here. This isn't an "all sides matter" thing.

@liesdamnlies3372

Жыл бұрын

@@pavelstaravoitau7106 I literally said none of that, but do keep going, it's hilarious to watch your type strawman.

@wjrneo2

Жыл бұрын

@@pavelstaravoitau7106 Orville is most definitely not woke. Star Trek often highlights societal flaws via satire, or by reframing a race as a different species to make the viewer examine an issue from a different angle. But woke is something completely different. Pay close attention to Klydens motivations based on his dialogue. Klyden is damaged by Moclan culture but his actions in regards to Topa are actually originate from his love and desire to spare Topa that pain. His damage blinds him to how he is hurting Topa. But Orville is not woke, there are multiple examples of string men, and excellent examples of strong women. The women of Orville do not need a weak man to appear strong. They are simply strong characters who happen to be women.

This storyline was so beautifully done, as were all the others, but this one stands out, Bortus is one of my favourite characters❤

2 words hulu: SEASON 4!! The shows writing has found its stride now. Just like TNG did when it hit season 3.

Congratulations to Seth MacFarlane for creating the best Star Trek series in years.

Just this look into the episode has me emotional. So powerful. Hats off to Seth and the team.

This show isn’t a Star Trek parody, it’s what Star Trek is supposed to be.

My favourite episode so far, Peter Macon was just amazing.

This was an incredible episode!!

Only episode in orville series that made tearful

This show is amazing

I say this with no exaggeration or hyperbole. The Orville is one of if not even potentially the best TV show ever. The writers are so talented and the actors are at the top of their game. How they could make a cis heterosexual man like me empathize with Topa and transgender people is brilliant. How they introduced a new character developed that character and gave them an end that is simultaneously tragic and beautiful. The story arc of Ensign Burke was so satisfying and well done that they turned a character I didn't like into one I actually cried for when they passed and in the story it's a lynchpin for the entire season and possibly the series and is nothing short of genius. The only true tragedy is if the show doesn't get a 4th season if the writers and cast are sure they can continue the excellence and the magic that is this show. It's a beautifully made work of art that will go down as one of the finest things ever made for entertainment. I hope they are able to commit and create a season 4 especially with the same level of quality. If not at least they gave us the best finale ever in television.

This show is amazing, the best. This is worth campaigning for, for more seasons.

I should probably. Start watching this show

Finally an episode that picks me up again as a fan. The previous episodes of season 3 didn't really convince me. I hope that the rest of the season will pick up the spirit of 1 and 2.

@madquest8

Жыл бұрын

Nope... jokes are banned now. Series has lost all of the quirky humour that I loved and initially drew me in. No way it gets a season 4 after this.

@synfinyminecraft

Жыл бұрын

@@madquest8 Nah. Season 3 was a lot more serious but there were some really funny moments. Of course the first 2 seasons were great but I don't think anything made me genuinely laugh quite as much as Topa confessing for Gordon, or Lamarr + Talla's mishaps. Humor is definitely alive in The Orville.

The really remarkable thing about this whole story arc is that the Moclans started our as a stereotypical sci-fi trope: the single gender alien species. But because of the writers boldness, we get an awesome way to explore human issues through an nonhuman point of view.

@corykelley786

Жыл бұрын

I love when the mirror is held up to reflect our society and its issues makes you see things in a different light

one of my favorite episodes ever

4th season NOW

@darthnowlan

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The show needs a season 4.

@snramadhan

2 жыл бұрын

7 season and more movies

These stories are great. 👍

Great show great series.

This season fully deserves some Emmy buzz.

love this episode

The topa storyline always reminded me of the story of john moneys crime.

Bortus is a great father. He just wants a healthy child, physically and mentally. And he’s willing to forge an uncharted path to do so. And the relationship he and Kelly forge in order to make sure Topa gets all she needs is subtle but powerful.

Chad L Coleman deserves a Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor for this episode.

0:01 - 0:24 Topa clearly grows up fast just like his TNG counterpart Alexander Rozhenko 😉

A great episode

There have been many choices made for hermaphrodites over the centuries which have affected the person emotionally

El mejor episodio que he visto❤.... Para mí Es una obra de arte ... extraordinario

So many commenters missing that this is pro-trans rights, simply because Topa was forced to be assigned male despite being born female. Why do they thing trans and cis-allies will use terms as AFAB and AMAB. Because they were ASSIGNED, but it's not who they truly are.

How I wish McFarlane could make a Star Wars film. This episode is also Kelly's best.

Tyreese(Chad L. Coleman) looks weird without a beard

just throwing it out there, would love to have this show end with a speech by a grownup Admiral Topa. :)

Am I the only one who is irritated by klyden??

Where is the eposide 6 trailer?

The truth comes out

This is one of the best episodes, it was done so well. I cried and cried. Gawd, I love this show

As a trans man even if it's about involuntary transition and detransition that episode still hit a nerve with me. Topa not being accepted who she by her father and Moclans because of culture and societal norms of Moclans...it feels painfully familiar

I have not liked Klyden from the moment in season one when he wouldn't consider letting his child be a girl. I'm not gonna miss him.

Bortus still looks like Bortus even out of makeup. Also saying that there are only two genders ooooo...watch out McFarland!

Wow there so gonna do a season 4 or thay wouldn't be talking about the episode's like this there's too much going on it isn't cancelled there in my opinion there just keeping everyone on tender hooks

This show is so good at the story telling.. Instead of just making an episode that relates so much to trans gender-ism (idk if that's an accurate term) they made it part of the story. Star Trek discovery attempted this by adding 2 trans characters. One is shown to have some engineering skills, where as the other is just trans and that's all the character is... and they force it so so much. If there was a show trying to make a funny character, and the only thing the show did was have characters say "that guy is funny" without actually having them say anything funny or do anything you would say that's not a good comical character. Orville planted this seed seasons ago, and built up the tension that lead to this episode and it made it feel significant. It wasn't a shallow attempt to just touch on a social issue. Well done

@kenirainseeker539

Жыл бұрын

What's wrong with just having trans characters existing without making it a huge plot point?

Trans rights are human rights. I love how they potrayed issues faced by trans children and their parents. This season is the best season compared to the previous two.

@xaviervega468

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly as a metaphor for trans rights, it kind of misses the mark. People can just as easily argue that Topa was unhappy because her gender was changed from what she was born as.

@ujwal_c

2 жыл бұрын

@@xaviervega468 I totally agree with you, but it also asserts the point that trans people are born that way. Here topa learns that she was born a girl. Proving the point that trans people are born that way too, just that people don't acknowledge it.

@firstname4337

Жыл бұрын

OMG you are an idiot -- she was born a girl and they did gender reassignment surgery without her permission she had to fight to be restored to her original and true form -- this is a far from a "trans rights" episode as you can get

@firstname4337

Жыл бұрын

@@ujwal_c "Proving the point that trans people are born that way too" -- LOL you obviously don't understand what "proving" means -- Topa actually was born a biological girl -- so the only thing this episode proves is that you can't change someone with gender reassignment surgery

@ujwal_c

Жыл бұрын

@@firstname4337 yeah in a society which opressed being a woman, which is a metaphor to how our society opressed and still opress trans people. Gender identity is a real thing, She knew she was always a girl and, didn't fit in just like trans people. Trans people similarly know what their gender identity is from inside. We're the ones who don't understand them and do the things which Klyden and Mowclans did to Topa.

Season 4 season 4 season 4 season 4 make it happen!!!!!!!!

I think it's safe to say that Klyden is the worst character in this show.

@jackanarchy99

2 жыл бұрын

But not because he's poorly written, he's actually very well written and well portrayed by his actor.

@snramadhan

2 жыл бұрын

he's not wrong with his traditional vision

@xaviervega468

2 жыл бұрын

Klyden is unlikable yes, but he is SUPPOSED to be. He is very well written and acted, so I can't say he's a bad character.

@breakingboundaries3950

Жыл бұрын

@@snramadhan tradition impedes progress, and hurts others in the process

I see why it's not renewed. It shows the horror of forced transition

I saw this coming, 🌈 gang

It is a good episode as it doesn't necessarily fit one side of the Trans argument. While it seems to be pro-trans, it can be easily argued that Topah was forced to become trans which caused later confusion and desire to return to her original gender.

Topa, another character to be a victim of rapid aging.

@trevorsimpkins3142

Жыл бұрын

In fairness, it has never really been said how fast Moclan children grow. Also it turns out part of the episode was filmed prior to covid shutting production down. Almost 2 years had passed between the beginning and end of the episode so the actor playing Topa had grown some.

@jimv1983

Жыл бұрын

@@trevorsimpkins3142 had grown some? In season 1 Topa was a baby. This season Topa is like 9 or 10. It's not even the same actor. I guess Moclans could age much faster than humans but I think it's much more likely that they did what many TV shows have done before and rapidly aged the character because it fit the story better.

@leonardo899

Жыл бұрын

It's an alien species.

Уважение как вы это сделали как по мне ребёнку менять пол это дикость а те кто это делает уже взрослый надо лечить голову

@jonh404

Жыл бұрын

What he said 👍

what is a woman?

@firstname4337

Жыл бұрын

not even a woman can answer that LOL

@fireandsugar2625

Жыл бұрын

An adult human female :)

@breakingboundaries3950

Жыл бұрын

Topa.

Holy social justice warrior.

@jonh404

Жыл бұрын

👍👍😂😂 I know right 🤦

@Seek1878

Жыл бұрын

@@jonh404 look at you begging for validation lol

@Seek1878

Жыл бұрын

Don't watch Star Trek either then, its been about social justice since day one 🤣

@jonh404

Жыл бұрын

@@Seek1878 👍👍😂😂🤦

@mikepaul3200

Жыл бұрын

@@Seek1878 The whole point of syfy is to give people a break from reality, through entertainment. If I wanted to be inundated with trans topics id turn on cnn or nearly any other channel. I think the pandering got a little old a while back.

Am I the only person who hates this storyline?

@1971mav

Жыл бұрын

Why?

@senister14

Жыл бұрын

@@1971mav because it's so dumb and preachy, plus the characters are so dumb in it.

@Seek1878

Жыл бұрын

@@senister14 Or you're just triggered by the subject?

@senister14

Жыл бұрын

@@Seek1878 yes, I hate facism.

@Seek1878

Жыл бұрын

@@senister14 Cute but what does that have to do with this series?

Never force children to go through a transgender procedure. This episode is amazing and a slap in the face to Transgenderism and sexualization of children. Great work Orville.

@lizd2943

Жыл бұрын

ROFL no one forces children to be trans. That's an absurd right wing fantasy. Topa identifies as a gender other than the one she was assigned at birth. She is transgender.

@Samwise_Ass

Жыл бұрын

Um, you relize that it's mean't to be pro Trans right?

@jessetellez3924

Жыл бұрын

@@Samwise_Ass No, it's anti-trans. Answer this question. Does Topa want to be what she was originally born as? Or does want to be what they forced her to be? "We can't preform a transgender surgery on a child it's unethical."- Capt Mercer season 1.

@Samwise_Ass

Жыл бұрын

@@jessetellez3924 You do realize that this show was made by a left-wing person right? Also, the point of the episode is that Topa wants to be the gender that she was born as, which is something that a lot of trans people say, and it's merely presented in a fashion that is the opposite to real life so it's a more subtle and unique way of telling it. It also seems like the episode was well liked by the Trans community

@lizd2943

Жыл бұрын

@@jessetellez3924 Topa identifies as a gender other than the one she was assigned at birth. She is transgender. The only difference is it was done to her intentionally instead of as an accident of birth.

so the moral here is don't do gender reassignment surgery

@jonh404

Жыл бұрын

Yup, you'd think that is the moral, but actually it's let the young child decide for themselves *sigh*🤦‍♂️

@Samwise_Ass

Жыл бұрын

No, it's not

@EriqT

Жыл бұрын

How did you completely miss the point?

@Seek1878

Жыл бұрын

To a regressive dolt.

@Seek1878

Жыл бұрын

@@jonh404 Transphobe feelings are hurt lol