Holy cow. If DC ever needs another Amanda Waller actor, I wholeheartedly nominate Andi Chapman.

@TheClintonio

Жыл бұрын

I had the same thought. Similar intensity and energy.

@EdwardTCBlake

Жыл бұрын

Gotta say I would love to see a screen test, but I'm not sure about her voice. For one thing every time I've ever heard Amanda Waller speak, in an animated movie, I felt like she could spontaneously curse someone out with all the letters of the alphabet at the drop of a hat.

@Johnston212

Жыл бұрын

I would give anything for CCH Pounder to finally do a live action version. Her voice was iconic throughout Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

@cernstormrunner7263

4 ай бұрын

she's perfect

@potsdam28

4 ай бұрын

@@Johnston212I wish Nell Carter had lived to play her

That last sentence from the admiral said so much. About how their dressing down was just her job as an admiral but as a person she truly does think what they did was right and sound! She's just doing what she's told just as everyone else is.

@ranger34ab

4 ай бұрын

They should have been removed from command for a loss of confidence in command.

@user-cf4bg7he7y

3 ай бұрын

You can't just fire two of your best commanders over a single action, especially two in command of arguably the most important ship in the fleet at this point. I mean just look at everything the Orville had achieved up to this point.@@ranger34ab

@lovinavargas-carriedo2698

Ай бұрын

​@@ranger34abthey absolutely should have but since things worked out and it's also a TV show.... They were allowed to stay :/

@BouncingTribbles

Ай бұрын

The whole second half. "Some would say your actions were commendable, I say you were just lucky." That things didn't go horribly wrong for all of us.

@BouncingTribbles

Ай бұрын

​@@ranger34ab she literally just told them that she hadn't lost trust in them. That was the whole point of the scene.

GREAT scene. The main characters take a stern dressing down and have no amusing quips or righteous backtalk. They take it, because sometimes even when you're right, you're found to be wrong. And it's worth it to them. The admiral is not a cartoon villain, or a heartless brute - she has concerns that go well beyond one Moclan girl and one annoying ship... but even then, there's a glimmer of what we all know to be true, that what happened deserves some regard and well-wishes. Mercer and Kelly are not the greatest ever, and the admiral is not a bitch. Excellently performed scene.

@l.tc.5032

Жыл бұрын

I like that it's clear that she ultimately agrees with their actions but also puts duty first. And her duty requires her to dress them down for disobeying orders even if it was orders she didn't want to give and probably morally opposed.

@alternative915

Жыл бұрын

The best part is that not everything is in the union favor and how a small action has consequences in a long run.

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

A military cannot function if their field officers disobey direct orders from their highest authority. The admiral was totally justified in reading them the riot act, whatever the outcome. Particularly since this action could easily have blown up in everyone's faces.

@danielhaire6677

Жыл бұрын

@@danieldickson8591 As she said, the got lucky. And it doesn't matter if they found a loop hole in the orders, they were still insubordinate to the intent of the orders and the needs of their higher command. You're comment of this blowing up in their faces may have been mild compared to what happened.

@monish05m

Жыл бұрын

What you mean to say is that there is no "shear f****** hubris"?

After serving 16 years in the US Navy, this is probably the most realistic dressing-down of an officer that I have seen in a while, on any show. I wasn't an officer, but I have seen sh*t like this go down, just like this. As someone else said, this is the kind of thing you don't see on the newer Star Trek shows as much. The effort in ST to portray an enlightened, and well-disciplined crew is fine in most respects, but is sorely lacking in scenes like this one. Kudos to Seth McFarlane for including scenes like this, that help display the parts of command that aren't shown as much, but which help convey the seriousness of the situation, as well as conveying the magnitude of the burden of command.

@bluewardog

Жыл бұрын

They did in deep space 9. After worf attempts to help his brother commit ritual suicide sisko rips him a new one and said that cultural diversity stops at murder and that of or happend again they wouldn't be in starfleet anymore.

@bryanwoods3373

Жыл бұрын

It's something I think of when people argue that Star Trek has always been political. Orville is how it used to be. There were debates with multiple views expressed and argued. The show may choose one view as right, but they don't shy away from the larger effects or that you can't force others to change. The audience is left to think on the sides and decide. Modern sci-fi just decides what's enlightened and hits you over the head. One of the more interesting examples of this in Orville was the suicide discussion. It's one of the few times I can recall any show not just blaming the victim. They actually discuss how Isaac was ostracized and attacked to show how others contribute.

@TurboNerdNews

Жыл бұрын

13 here, heavily seconded. Often times starfleet says we're not a military, just scientists with a chain of command, which always came off condescending. The union makes no bones about it and this bit hammers it home here. If it's not personal what made you jump out so close to 20?

@pixlbit-designs-vfx

Жыл бұрын

@@TurboNerdNews I felt that time with my family was more important, particularly since my parents needed more of my help, now that they are older. There nor no regrets. I can always get a retirement elsewhere, but time with family can't be replaced.

@Pathfinder-Doc

Жыл бұрын

As a U.S. Army Combat Veteran, this scene is 100% cringe.

Those parting words by the Admiral showed that the reprimand was more for form to satisfy the Union Council, which still included the Moclans. But clearly the Union was already on the fence with the Moclans as evident by the quick and unanimous ejection of the Moclans despite their central influence as being the primary source of weapons while still in a shooting war with the Kaylons.

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. Holland may have sympathized with Mercer's and Grayson's motivations, but they committed a flagrant act of insubordination that could have had severe consequences for the Union. No military can stand for that. I fully believe that she'll cashier them both if they step out of line again.

@urbypilot2136

Жыл бұрын

@@danieldickson8591 I'm not saying she won't. With the way of how forcefully she made it clear that the next time they "throw a wrench into" the way she wants things done, I'm pretty sure both Ed and Kelly will be given their marching orders next time they so much as appear to step out of line. What I'm saying is that those last words, the Admiral's personal sentiments, were not just her own. Many in the Union Council, not just among its Admiralty, were already having such personal sentiments. Thus, when Topa stood before the Council, it didn't take long to get a unanimous vote to kick out the primary weapons supplier from the Union. Which is what makes this Admiral a great character. She's a professional and doesn't let personal sentiments get in the way of her work. She knows that there are thing beyond her control and that she has to follow order from on high as well, and she expects her subordinates to do the same. Those last words were more for the viewers rather than the characters in the scene, to give us a glimpse of the undercurrent of thoughts running through the Union.

@TheWinezen

Жыл бұрын

Thankfully the Wisdom of the Earth Sage, Dolly Parton, succeded in saving the day. "Do the right thing and the future takes care of itself!"

@jeremydale4548

5 ай бұрын

Hell, the Moclans shoulda been out as SOON as their extreme sexism was on display. Every planet has their own rules, but in something like a Federation or a Union, there should ALWAYS be a higher power to keep everything running smoothly between members. And I would HOPE that the Moclan's behavior would be against the law.

@RoonMian

2 ай бұрын

I disliked that part of the whole arc because it didn't make sense to me. Any political organisation that is even slightly influenced by human liberal-democratic values ("liberal" here meaning the literal meaning of the word, "concerned with freedom", not whatever US Americans associate with it) like the Union Council in the Orville universe obviously is (but also the UFP in Star Trek) would have bodily autonomy enshrined as a fundamental right of a sophont. The council ever violating that even once, not to mention three times - first when they allowed the forced sex-change on Topa, then during the crisis with the colony of Moclan women and lastly with Topa wanting her original body back - just does not compute.

The way the admiral handled that was perfect. Even at the end of the scene.

@LGranthamsHeir

Жыл бұрын

Admiral Holland is even scarier than Admiral Ozawa. Even Mercer didn't resort to make a joke behind her back 😄

@pendrake40

Жыл бұрын

@@LGranthamsHeir *(& @Warren Reid) ~* The reason that Captain Mercer (Seth MacFarlane) &/or Commander Grayson (Adrianne Palicki) did not make any jokes is because of Admiral Holland's (Andi Chapman) parting comment. By that parting comment, Holland showed that despite having to harshly chastise Mercer and Grayson, Holland personally sympathized with Topa and the Orville crew's actions. Also important to remember: both Mercer and Grayson avoided any punishment as well. So in the end of this scene, it was simply good form/grace to not crack any jokes &/or poke at Authority in this scene. *;)*

@LGranthamsHeir

Жыл бұрын

@@pendrake40 Good points indeed. Thanks for sharing 😉

@pendrake40

Жыл бұрын

@@LGranthamsHeir ~ Happy to explain/clarify. You are welcome. *:)*

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

I know after a chewing-out like that, I would be in no mood to crack jokes for a long time.

I just saw something talk about how a real Unit Commander wouldnt dress down the Individuals who made the mistake in front of everyone,they would call them into a private room and keep behind that door and between them and i respect that their leader did that.

@mightyzekken

4 ай бұрын

Yep. Praise in public, discipline in private. That's how it should go

Reminds me of that final scene in Inglorious Bastards: "You'll be shot for this!" "Nawh, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before."

@profchaos91

Ай бұрын

I kinda think that this is exactly how lt Rayne was chewed out after the end of the movie. A rant about insubordination/incompetence, followed by a backhanded hidden compliment as proof that even the superior officer approved what he did

That admiral gave me some big captain sisko vibes AND I LOVE IT

@kreigguardsman3355

Жыл бұрын

She reminds of Amanda Waller Both big black women who always command the room they are in

@ReddwarfIV

Жыл бұрын

@@kreigguardsman3355 I feel like Waller is taller.

@kreigguardsman3355

Жыл бұрын

@@ReddwarfIV I believe your right

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

Admiral Holland doesn't need to be taller. Her command presence is ten-foot.

@kylepearce-obrien1021

Жыл бұрын

So you're saying they DISGRACED THEIR UNIFORM?

I love this scene so much. 2 minutes of official dressing down, 10 seconds of what the admiral actually felt.

@tanall5959

6 ай бұрын

Showed how she felt early on. When Mercer started talking about taking responsibility she cut him off. If she was really there to take him out, she'd would of let him keep digging by throwing everything on himself. But instead she shut him up and took away the shovel, as it were.

I think that both had a direct order. As did Dr Finn. But actually Isaac was technically neutral of either Human, Mochlan or Kaylon society. So he was the only one who could perform the operation. The Admiral was suitably irritated and justified in being annoyed with this. But off the record, I suspect that privately she partly approved, but not entirely.

@jonathanmyers8920

Жыл бұрын

It's, Moclan. No H on it.

@stephenfarthing3819

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanmyers8920 Sorry for that! I wrote it as it sounded. Hmm ! Perhaps I have a long way to go with the Orville universe as well.

@Fletchman1313

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanmyers8920 Maybe the German spelling is with an H.

@stephenfarthing3819

Жыл бұрын

@@Fletchman1313 I don't think so. Jonathan Myers was correct to correct me on that point of order. And my mistake was a simple and honest one! Tell me, wouldn't you have made a similar mistake of this kind? If honest. The answer would be " yes!"🤔🤔

@Fletchman1313

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenfarthing3819 I think I thought it to be Mocclan before seeing it spelled out officially somewhere. Although for all we know it should be Moc'lan, but we've been omitting the glottal stop.

It's interesting how the Orville, which decidedly takes a much less militaristic approach to the Union than even Star Trek did with Starfleet, has moments like this where it's decidedly very military in tone. Unlike NuTrek where they make everything much more serious and dark, militaristic in tone but then you have lower ranking officers arguing with admirals and captains like it's no big deal, with zero consequence.

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

As with Star Trek, the purpose of the Union fleet is far more than military: exploration, diplomacy, humanitarian aid. I suppose it's fair to embrace a looser attitude when the circumstances you encounter can be so diverse. But this situation def called for the boot of discipline to come down hard.

@atoll8423

Жыл бұрын

There's always been criticism from Trek fans about "Golden Age" Federation with starfleet saying it's not functioning as a military but yet is sent to fight every conflict - so they needed to bring in some elements of militaristic function. They just haven't quite fleshed out how it should work. Same with the "shattered union" plot fans always wanted to see with major Fed worlds withdrawing.

@slayermate07

Жыл бұрын

it's called having a competent writing team.

@andromeda5414

Жыл бұрын

We saw Picard in TNG arguing with admirals on more than one occasion. Sisko also had a major blowout with Admiral Layton.

@nepntzerZer

Жыл бұрын

Woketrek is garbage

Wow. This Admiral Holland is even scarier than Admiral Ozawa. Even Mercer didn't resort to make a joke behind her back 😄😃

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

Would you have felt like making a joke after that tongue-lashing?

@rambofan334

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, he probably learned his lesson from the first time.

@boredlawyer3382

6 ай бұрын

They also realized that she was right when she said they were lucky. If an interstellar war had broken out and billions had died, they would not feel so good. She reminded them of that possibility.

@marloncebo242

3 ай бұрын

​@@danieldickson8591not when the female black authority figure trope is activated.

@Ryan_Christopher

Ай бұрын

I think Holland outranks Ozawa too.

In the real world that's exactly what an ass chewing sounds like when it is given to you by someone senior to you, who has to discuss what you did right as much as what you did wrong but also has to remind you of the real-world consequences of what you did, and also to remind you there won't be a second chance if you cross the line again .

The actress who played the Admiral was absolutely aces in this scene. Bravo

That admiral probably has a higher ranking admiral or government official who yells at her when she screws up? She would just have to stand there and say, "YES SIR!"

@Vulpine407

Жыл бұрын

True. There's always a bigger fish.

@urbypilot2136

Жыл бұрын

Yes, she has. It's called the Union Council, which represents all members of the Planetary Union among which are the Moclans. But it would seem the Union Council was just being "diplomatic" (and I use that term loosely here) with the Moclans due to them being the primary source of the Unions weapons. But when push came to shove, the Union Council was quick to eject the Moclans from the planetary Union. Which is why the Admiral's parting words were very important to this scene. She may not like the orders, but as a professional she has to see it through. And what Ed and Kelly did just threw a wrench into that. Her sentiments were probably reflective of the Union Council's own.

@zero_chevalier

Жыл бұрын

The Chain of Screaming -Barney Stinson

@blockmasterscott

Жыл бұрын

True. When I was a manager in a school district, I used to tell my people that if you can’t handle getting your ass chewed out to don’t bother getting promoted. The higher you get, the worst the ass chewings are.

@v1llian30

Жыл бұрын

@@blockmasterscott that's true in almost all avenues of life, yep.

An excellent example of a military ass chewing.

@MrShadow-qz9xj

Ай бұрын

those last words, I think were a key... The ass chewing was because she had to, or she would be dialect in her duties, but those last words were an indication of where she personally stood.

@Ryan_Christopher

Ай бұрын

@@MrShadow-qz9xj*derelict

I like how the Admiral knew the whole situation was totally f***** but realized it was a personal issue with an individual that the epicenter of something that is even more fucked

I love how the show didn’t just give them a pat on the back or a slap on the wrist that somebody above them actually pointed out that they did just get lucky and stuff like that they shouldn’t rely on judgment calls I felt sorry for her in this episode but the discomfort and sad feelings of a child is not worth the potential deaths of hundreds of billions

@jackgibsxxx0750

Жыл бұрын

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@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

Admiral Holland had more than enough grounds to demand both their resignations. She was actually generous in her treatment of them.

@festo8756

Жыл бұрын

@@danieldickson8591 Isn't that a movie cliche the angry black chief yelling at the rebel hotshot

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

@@festo8756 It is, but this is the first time we've seen Holland do that. And she had plenty of justification.

@blockmasterscott

Жыл бұрын

@@danieldickson8591 I can see her now “They did WHAT???”

This is similar to when Captain Sisko chewed out Worf for not abandoning Jadzia(Worf's wife) to complete the mission, then afterwards emphasizing with Worf telling him that he(Sisko) wouldn't have abandoned Jennifer(Sisko's late wife) to die either.

@SovietReunionYT

Жыл бұрын

Too bad the plot of that episode was so braindead. There was 0 need to abandon the mission to save Jadzia. Worf could have left her hiding somewhere after she got shot, gone on to get the defector, then picked her up on the way back. He also could have carried her back to the shuttle after she got shot, and still would have had enough time to make it to the meeting with the defector.

@XFactor5a

Жыл бұрын

@@SovietReunionYT Gonna have to rewatch the episode, but I think Jadzia was bleeding out, initially they tried to finish the mission, but by the time her condition got so bad they only had enough time to either save Jadzia or rescue the defector

@tdog652041

Жыл бұрын

@@XFactor5a that’s also how I remembered it ( Change of Heart).

@danielyeshe

6 ай бұрын

I hated that episode. If Terry Farrell had stayed then fair enough but as she was leaving it would have been a far better way for Jadzia to die.

The consequences of being right, but inconvenient. The sad truth is, the realpolitik of the situation was that the Union was trampling an individual's rights for the sake of the "greater good". That's where the switch at the end comes from, the recognition that what they did was right for Topa, but not so great for the Union. She was ready to sacrifice a little girl for the greater benefit, but may have been privately relieved that their disobedience forced them not to.

Finally a proper “ass chewing” I agree with many comments here. The reality of any military structure organization has to have conflict and this happens when you disobey or deviate from orders. In the Admiral’s words, they got 🍀

NOW THATS A REAL MILITARY ASS CHEWING.. 😂

@senister14

Жыл бұрын

They deserved it.

@johnpauljones9310

Жыл бұрын

She did it off the record, too.

@thejamesasher

4 ай бұрын

kinda. a real chewing includes pissed pants. maybe poop too. and lots of crying. my shop was right next to where the njp's were. yikes!

@Ryan_Christopher

Ай бұрын

@@johnpauljones9310Oh it’ll be on the record if she has to crack down later. Take it from someone who has a Reprimand or two, along with a Demotion, in his Permanent File.

@steviesavagegs8791

Ай бұрын

Your damn right, nothing could be more accurate than the military ignoring human rights violations

An Admiral's bars always adds 2 feet to whoever wares them.

@Ryan_Christopher

Ай бұрын

Stars not Bars, even in a Navy.

This is just a formality. The Admiral is clearly on their side but they did break the rules and that must be addressed.

Another good dressing down from Admiral. At least Picard wasn't the only one disobeying direct orders.

Man, this brings back memories of my standing at attention in the Marine Corps and getting yelled at for a fuck up. Seriously, if you've never been in the military, you cannot possibly understand how that feels.

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if Holland's actor was ever in the military? That dressing-down felt very credible.

@grunt-sw8si

Жыл бұрын

This was soft in comparison but I get what you mean.

@danielhaire6677

Жыл бұрын

Been there, done that...on both sides of the equation.

@tonyj9743

Жыл бұрын

You know you're truly getting your ass chewed when it feels like gravity has stopped working and your legs are about to give out at any moment.

@Ryan_Christopher

Ай бұрын

I was Air Force. My Reprimands were gentler although no less Permanent when it eventually came down to an Article 15.

Hmm! Quite the consequence. And that is the start of the dissolution of the Moclans from the Union.

@BYERE

Жыл бұрын

I’d say the dissolution started way back in season 1, where Mercer and crew exposed that Moclan females can be just as great as males, if not moreso… They’ve likely had an irritation against Mercer and the Orville ever since, but always kept the idea that leaving the Union wouldn’t be in their best interests, until much later.

@senister14

Жыл бұрын

Yep, and what happened then they were attacked. If this was real life and the writers didn't get that ex machia thing, then the union could have been destroyed. The characters were really dumb this season.

@BYERE

Жыл бұрын

@@senister14 What "ex machina" thing are you talking about? That the Kaylon agreed to join in a then-temporary alliance with the Union in order to get the weapon back?

@senister14

Жыл бұрын

@@BYERE yes, just when the moclons leave, suddenly they invent a machine that can kill all the kaylond, that's such lazy writing.

@BYERE

Жыл бұрын

@@senister14 I mean, not really? They've known about the "mind link" since mid-way through season 2, along with how an EMP on the same frequency can cause the Kaylon to shut down... and how to protect Isaac from it by his being disconnected from the link. Also keep in mind that the Orville is the only ship in the fleet with an actual Kaylon on it (Isaac). He would have known all their weaknesses and how to exploit them. The weapon is just a large-scale EMP-like device that sends out a signal that forces an overload in the link. While not shown on-screen, it's likely they've been working on making some sort of weapon since the initial takeover of the Orville by the Kaylon... which in-universe was about a year beforehand. So no, they didn't just "suddenly invent" the weapon.

These always suck to do, but reprimand NEEDS to be done regardless of the good intentions. I've been in the admirals' shoes plenty of times when it comes to disciplining employees, and even though what they did was morally right, they went against one of their superiors legitimate orders and against the culture of an entire species way of life. You don't disrespect both, and think you'll get away scott free. This had to be done but on non-official channels, you can congratulate and praise what they did. In the future however, this does make the higher echelon keep an eye on the Orville and its crew as they have proven they cannot follow simple and clear orders. A great scene. Sad to see this admiral wasn't apart of the Kaylon alliance signing at the end of the 3rd season.

@onewhotalks1943

Жыл бұрын

Just before the admiral left she should have said. "Please extend my best wishes to the Moclyen girl." She then walks several steps to them and the camera slowly dolly zooms in on her she says "Never ever do something like this ever again because my hands will be tided next time." Just a thought because the Admiral had to have to have called in many favors from across the Admirals in the fleet and they made it very clear to her that this is a one time thing just to to keep it just to a dressing down.

This kinda reminds me on the times when Captain Sisko officially told Commander Worf he screwed up and after the official part showed understanding for him. In one instance, Worf decided to save Jadzia Dax' life (who was his wife at that time) instead of the Cardassian defector who had important information for the Federation and the Klingons. After the... stern official reprimand, Captain Sisko said off the record that he would've done the same if his wife was in that situation. The only difference in my opinion is that Admiral Holland's approach for the official reprimand was much more... strict than Captain Sisko's.

That admiral really tore them a new one. This was how the series should have been written from the first episode.

@theskiesrainfire

Жыл бұрын

Seth Macfarlane, world renowned funny man, wants to do a serious project and needs 10 million from you. It’s a serious workplace drama. You droppin money on that and expecting any back? Or like, would Seth need to insert his trademark skills into the work before you decide to spend?

@adamleblanc5294

Жыл бұрын

Seth said he had to pitch it as a comedy for it to get made. He wanted to have season 1 follow the tone of 2 and 3, but had to start it off that way to get the show made.

Love this over star trek. This isn't a debate. There isn't a moral quandary to solve. This is two ranking officers that disobeyed a direct order. Having the best of intentions doesn't mean shit in a large military force. You follow the orders of thos above you precisely because they have a bigger picture than you do. That's how it works. You focus on your slice of the pie and the mission gets done.

Great scene. This is how you can play right and wrong at the same time. They were given a dressing down for disobeying an order that could have had massive ramifications in the future and caused a war (which we know will happen anyway), so she had to go hard on them. As a leader should. And they know they deserved it, so remained silent and strong. Yet at the same time the admiral as a woman on a personal note most likely understands and is sympathetic towards them (hence the "wishing the moclan girl well" comment). And their look towards her at the end acknowledges this. She knows her team have hearts of gold and appreciates this. Yet also knows that even the best intentions can have bad results on a galactic scale. So the dressing down and then well whishing was extremely well executed

@onewhotalks1943

Жыл бұрын

I would have liked the admiral to have said "you will speak when spoken too captain or is it engine." Mainly because the admiral would have been fully with in her power to not only demote him that far bust his second as well or kick them out on a court-martialed with dishonorable discharges. Or even have the entire crew of the Orville transferred to other ships across the fleet. The possibilities of punishment are very vast in this kind of situation. I would have also have liked to have added before she left "Never ever do something like this again." What we do not see that the admiral probably had to pull in a lot of favors and strings to keep the crew of the Orville together. The other people that she pulled strings and favors with could have very well told here that this is a one time thing and the next time something like this happens her hands would be tided and she would have to let the hammer down. Just my thoughts

man if she was grand mother i would never forget to wash my hands damn

This is a great example of accepting responsibility and consequences for your actions, no matter how noble. Anyone think of a Star Trek character that would be this responsible? No, they'd all have given passionate speeches about how theirs is the superior morality thus justification of violating a direct order. Whereas Mercer and Grayson and co found a run around solution, but didn't laude it over their Superior officers when called to task over it. True Leadership takes accountability, not just credit. Why is this series not continuing? These are the most relatable good examples on screen I've come across since M*A*S*H and 'Lean On Me'

@vypernight

Жыл бұрын

It does remind me of the DS9 episode where O'Brien helps Tosk escape. Sisko rips him a new one before subtly revealing that he had a hand in it as well.

@compmanio36

Жыл бұрын

@@vypernight Classic Trek of the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY era have many such examples of what the OP is stating. NuTrek? Not so much. They're right simply because of the color of their skin and what's between their legs, according to the writers, and that's the exact OPPOSITE of what Trek was about.

Isacc should have been brought into this meeting.

The burden of command; Despite the fact that I may understand and agree with what you felt you had to do, I still have to “spank” you as part of my position.

A good captain always puts their ship & crew first

Technically speaking, Ed Mercer "ordered" Isaac not to perform the surgury

@danielhaire6677

Жыл бұрын

The "technicality" is likely why there was no court martial

Great scene two main characters and Seth is also writer on the show got drilled really hard.And Admiral was not one dimensional villian in this she just saw a bigger picture.She is not Admiral for nothing.

I like this scene as it draws the right middle ground between two distinctive positions that most narrative take. Rather then the half ass way we seen rules held depending on how much the person likes you, they actually get held accountable for breaking the rules and are told point blank they should consider this blind luck that things are not worse instead of a go ahead to keep breaking the rule. Basically every cop show that’s existed since 2000s. On the other hand the admiral makes the clear point how the rules and procedures exist for very specific and explicit reason that extend far beyond every single slightly morally inconvenient situation rather then say the rules are bad because we don’t get what we want. Basically every cop show since 2000.

For a moment I thought Ed and Kelly got a dressing down from the Admiral because she is once again worshiped as a god by another pre-quantum civilization 😄😆

@phuckerpower

3 ай бұрын

We see what you did there...

Short version: "Professionally as officers you two are a failure. As human beings, you're not."

Her shoulder bars shows that shes a five-star admiral. My God, if a five-star is personally chewing out a captain, you know you done screwed up.

If we don't get any more orville, I'd love some seth macfarlane happening on lower decks

The admiral was sublime in her scenes. ❤ Stern yet very much empathetically compassionate.

I would have started crying.

I've been hearing how THE ORVILLE is more "Star Trek" than current STAR TREK, and now I'm starting to see it myself, despite only seeing clips of the franchises.

Proverbially. The manure has just about to hit the fan! And in more than one way!

"I dressed you down because I had to, not because I disagreed with you."

Man …. I truly love The Orville. It reminds me of when TV used to be made with passion and caring.

"You'll speak when spoken to" "Sir...who were you speaking to then?"

I adore this episode!

She got that Ben Sisko Energy goin on...!!!

This is bringing back flashbacks.

admiral talks to them, captain speaks.. "YOU WILL SPEAK WHEN SPOKEN TO" well damn ain't that what he did?

Reminds me of when Data had to dress Worf down

I was a 1st lieutenant in Vietnam. The superior officers treated us much worse than this. The worst were the old majors. They were never promoted because of their lack of professionalism and education. Usually they were southerners for some reason. They were clueless about guerrilla warfare. When I first went into the battalion I was told I would spend six months in the field and six months in an administrative position. I spent my entire time in the field. I survived so it is what it is. Now I’m an old man and those bastards are dead. Bravo co 1/2 Big Red One Quan Loi .

@MrBlazinerday

Ай бұрын

Thank you for your service and welcome home.🫡🇺🇸

That’s a type of a boss knows you are right but want to put in record she talk to you straight

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

They weren't right. Like the admiral said, they got lucky.

@danielhaire6677

Жыл бұрын

@@danieldickson8591 You can both be right and be lucky in regards to the fallout.

Would be interesting to see Howland commanding a flagship during a major battle.

Lady scared the shit out of me!

Had to tear them a new one on principle. Good leadership

She only appeared in one scene but by god Admiral Howland made a lasting impression, she maybe a minor character but she commanded so much power and respect. Her actions by reprimanding Ed and Kelly in private showed that they were in deep shit, she made it clear that as an admiral, she did not approve of their actions but at the end, she showed her humanity by asking them to give her regards to Topa. She was an admiral first but she was a human as well. In one scene. I hate the fact the writers managed to make a competetnt officer in one scene, than Star trek discovery has in four seasons.

I think the admiral probably secretly approved of what Kelly and ed did

@timmyers4739

Жыл бұрын

Definitely that's why she said that at the end but in the military it has to happen so they knew this was coming anyways

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

Approval isn't the point. They disobeyed direct orders. The technicality used to excuse that might have worked in a court martial, but they knew the intent of the order. That's easily a career-ending move.

@DrewSavo

Жыл бұрын

I think it was more “this is where we’re at after alls said and done, so we have to accept it and move on”. She wasn’t agreeing with their actions, she was merely accepting that this was the result. Years ago I was told a story about a manager who had 2 choices for a high level management position: a lady named Christine and a chap named John. This manager was told by her supervisor to hire John as they needed someone who was looking for a long term career whereas Christine was only semi-dedicated, but the job went to Christine as the manager thought she knew better. 3 months later Christine up and left without any notice, and suddenly there was a gap in management. A month after that The manager wanted to recruit again but her supervisor said she couldn’t because they couldn’t afford it with the budget. If John had been given the job it would’ve set off a series of benefits that would’ve helped everyone, but because one person thought they knew better, everyone got screwed over. When the manager asked the supervisor if she would be chewed out or lose her job, she was simply told: doing that would be pointless as it won’t change anything. This is where we’re at because you made a choice, and we all have to deal with it.

I was sympathetic with Topa's predicament but Grayson getting personally involved and Mercer and Isaac's "solution" was crossing the line I think. But made for good drama, lots of Orville episodes about "grey" ethical issues!

@fu40000

Жыл бұрын

The keyword here is context in real life this type of thing would have many peoples opinion but no real direct consequences for anybody other than the individual but in the show this was pretty much a gamble on the lives of hundreds of billions🤔 The admiral was right they did just get lucky😐

"Timeline got focked up" "Admiral, here's your vig...500 cigarettes"

You will speak when spoken to. Uhhh... weren't you just speaking to me? ->Brig.

Some european armies have a principle where no official outranks the counsciousness of the person who has to execute said order.

@Pedgo1986

9 ай бұрын

Yes and that's the reason why Europe have no real army ony people cosplaying soldiers. Whole point of military is command structure and obeying orders. Now iam not talking about egregious obvious criminal orders like go and blow kindergarten but in general military can only work if people obey because there are other people who are making decisions who have more information and greater picture and most hard part of command is make hard decisions even sacrifice lives.

@crazypantz3492

7 ай бұрын

@@Pedgo1986 And that's why Russia is invading Ukraine, Hamas is (justifiably) doing what it's doing. The lack of european army is a big part of why the western hegemony is failing and your amoral take on military service is a big part of it. Obviously militaries rely on group cohesion, you're not special for understanding that. But a moral imperative is crucial for any legitimate nation, so clearly that is also crucial. A nation acting immorally is a nation without a will to fight, an impetus to act.

@LoganGrimmnar

23 күн бұрын

@@crazypantz3492 you tools realize that Europe isn't a country? 🤡 Continents don't have standing armies, countries do. 🤡

Yeah, seriously. Naomi purposefully put wrinkles into my posters when she mounted them for me. She's not that bad at what she does. Clearly none of you have actually seen the counter top that she and her mother made in the kitchen downstairs. 6150 Gun Club Trail. It's GORGEOUS when they turn the lights on.

Admiral Cholesterol was very upset.

She's just doing her job. Reminding them of their failure, the larger consequences of their actions, ect. Its mostly an act, because in the end she shows she is on their side.

She played the commander role well. At first i thought “oh goodie. Another women race empowering. Yaaaaaaaaay…” But she played the role well with logic. Cold logic and stated how sensitive the situation was without involving herself. Good show

Perfect Drill Instructor impression, from a Female Admiral... IMO 😂😂😂....

My annual job performance review.

"Are we Dismissed?"-Star trek Enterprise! lol

It's actually kind of mind--blowing how The Orville manages to depict a crew that behaves more professionally than any of the Nu-Trek crap.

Every day at work for me right here

@dream8870

3 ай бұрын

would that translate to you being the problem 😂

The admiral would make them stand at attention and sit herself.

She had a point, it was extremely lucky Moclans didn't pull out of the Union because of this Tho they did eventually vote the Moclans out of the Union but that's beside the point

01:47 "Flagrant disregard? Aye. And I would do it again, madam."

Reminds me of that scene from Inglorious Basterds. "Nah, I'll get chewed out... I've been chewed out before."

As an admiral, she has to be concerned with the strategic consequences to the war that this could have caused. But the human beneath the uniform still recognized that this was a child trying to live her life as she wanted. Well acted scene.

Great show... aspiring spirit of progress all over hopefully beyend and betterbthen wevcan ever imagine.... A dream for humanity over and above and beyond ... for all thing good and will be good ❤peace😊

Lmao why the "Yes sir"

I had multiple nerdgasms.

At least one of the writers had to have spent time in the military to make this scene as realistic as it was.

Yeah, the Union really does not like how the Moclans act at times.

You cut the video 3 seconds too soon and didnt show their reaction to her final statement.

This is a a good scene

To think, Mercer is the captain that saves the Union. Without him, the Kaylon destroy all sentient life.

Amanda Waller is not happy with the Suicide Squad today

Arrogant but accurate, sir.

Why did the Admiral let them off so easily? They should’ve been relieved of command immediately. Then arrested, Court martialed, and executed.

How refreshing, a superior officer (nothing more than an office clerk in fact) putting a temper tantrum just because her rank allows it... that's something i never saw in any american show! (that's me being sarcastic).

i miss this show

I get they went against a direct order but the entire fleet and timeline wouldnt exist if it wasnt for the orville crew sooo...

I love the Orville. Why have I only seen this now?

I would have resigned right then and there.

Good thing I’m not there I’d send a message and tell worf they are ready fire photons on earth 😂

Nobody ever talked that way to Picard or any ST Captain.