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@gentlemanhk

7 ай бұрын

Why no one talked that isr aeli air force bombed on the festival on the seventh of october, according to an investigation by isr aeli newspaper Haaretz?

@gentlemanhk

7 ай бұрын

And it's has been on many Israeli TV-Channels!

@edsr164

7 ай бұрын

Why in the world would you willingly watch such footage, Owen? This is going to stay with you for the rest of your life.

@_TurtleSoup_

7 ай бұрын

Nice appeasement piece greatly downplaying what happened. It is clear that he isn’t serious. He hasn’t got his serious, furrowed brow, face on.

@jb_4379

7 ай бұрын

​@@davidmontgomery9846 Give us those footage where Hamas is killing children? idf is well known for video editing

Let's see the film about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi, Syrian, Afghan,Libyan, Somalian, civilian deaths...and Palestinian. Just because bombs are dropped, and drones and missiles used, doesn't make it less gruesome than what others do.

@alibrown6268

7 ай бұрын

Have these countries been occupied by an incoming, hostile people for decades too?

@stevejobs8751

7 ай бұрын

Millions

@samara6041

7 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!

@lelouchvibritannia4028

7 ай бұрын

More than a million.

@shaphyshaphy

7 ай бұрын

Yes

The fact that they curated their own screening, when we are seeing all the atrocities happening in Gaza DIRECTLY AND UNFILTERED says a lot!

@jordanbaldry822

7 ай бұрын

Weve always seen their atrocities, but no one seemed to care ,same as the war in the Ukraine being said to have started last year ,not in 2014 like they claim

@zoehosie-dz9pc

7 ай бұрын

What do you expect anyone can criticise

@zoehosie-dz9pc

7 ай бұрын

The films are only a small part of the evidence.

@wewenang5167

7 ай бұрын

YEH EVIDENCE...LIKE THE WMD IN IRAQ...SEEMS ABOUT RIGHT ;p@@zoehosie-dz9pc

@annakarenina3188

7 ай бұрын

This comment needs bumping up to the top. Brilliant point.

Surely all such footage of alleged atrocities should be sent to the International Criminal Court for evaluation? Shouldnt there be an international arrest warrant for anyone guilty of carrying out alleged war crimes?

@susanhenderson1236

5 ай бұрын

I believe it has been.

@susanhenderson1236

5 ай бұрын

Where do you get the 20 000 figure from?

@richardduggans1358

5 ай бұрын

​@@susanhenderson1236Which one?

@tony608

5 ай бұрын

Naive

@se2473

5 ай бұрын

Can’t 100% trust Zi0 Israeli account. A lot of info is distorted or exaggerated, overhyped and embellished to justify genocide. They are well known to be compulsive liars and manipulators

Denying the killings is shameful..

@sareedoahmed1751

6 ай бұрын

He didn't deny it... It's numbers and how he is questioning. Ofcourse people died in October how ever. Which independent agency can confirm it.

@BOC-kr2il

6 ай бұрын

Why are so many denying a genocide in Gaza when it is the most obvious genocide that you wouldn't even need to know a thing about Geneva Conventions or Rome Statute to know that's what it is. to support Israel is like being outraged at 1 murder but not caring less about 50 others. Adjusted for population that is the death ratio at the moment and it grows evey day

@Harry-Storm

6 ай бұрын

I agree. nobody should continue to deny what Hamas did on Oct. 7 that prompted the Israeli response.

@kcrjmj7613

6 ай бұрын

Oil money, Airways money. like US universities and students funded by Middle East terrorism. No wonder why he is supporting hamas barbarians.

@ruskiydude9987

6 ай бұрын

@@Harry-Stormso go back to the reason of why they did the attack..no?

The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses. Malcolm X

@jeffkok9170

7 ай бұрын

At least we know that leftwing western journalists are on the side of the terrorists.

@ufffd

7 ай бұрын

Thankfully "the media" isn't a single entity. Close but no cigar

@nikolademitri731

7 ай бұрын

@@ufffdyou think that invalidates the core point here? Really?

@syas13

7 ай бұрын

The Pen(media) is mightier than the sword.

@mjg8134

7 ай бұрын

Still trying to push their objective to vacating Gaza. Every attempt just makes me angrier. Imagine going for the one state solution. 😢

"If I don't steal it then someone else will" - Yakob the settler from NY

@lukaskywalker7791

7 ай бұрын

No quote from the tiktoker wasting water to mock Palestinians with nothing to drink?

@stephencaudill2422

7 ай бұрын

how about NOBODY steal houses?

@lelouchvibritannia4028

7 ай бұрын

It's no wonder why they've been persecuted for 5,000 years and kicked out of almost every European country. Everywhere they go, they cause trouble.

@Meraqueen-vb5hn

7 ай бұрын

@@stephencaudill2422 tell that Israhell go back their countries

@sciencewarsveteran6424

7 ай бұрын

Yes, horrible guy

Just realize it's going to our turn as the green prince told us after this happened 7th of October.all of this horrifying and tragic of course and these are monster that need to be stopped.

You can’t unsee the evil shown in it. No one should want to see it, but the horrors of that day should never be forgotten. Never rationalize it away.

@bacicinvatteneaca

6 ай бұрын

Focusing on that day means forgetting all the days before it and after.

@yawarhussain7219

6 ай бұрын

Watch Tantura

@keemie2

6 ай бұрын

​@@bacicinvatteneacaexactly.

@BBrunswick

6 ай бұрын

@@bacicinvatteneacajust no.

@ruskiydude9987

6 ай бұрын

@@BBrunswickjust yes

Yasmin Parat literally said in her interview with Israeli public broadcast Kan . The Kalyan Liberian program on 15. 11. 2023 that she literally saw a tank fire a shell at the House, it killed Hamas and it killed the last hostages, who were not dead. She goes into great detail of what actually happened, where she was, and how she survived, and the other lady who survived.

@TheMichaela67

7 ай бұрын

Yes I can only assume Owen hasn't listened to that radio interview.

@scaredyfish

7 ай бұрын

It seems the IDF is consistent in its disregard for both Palestinian and Israeli civilians in its stated goal of destroying Hamas.

@koch1467

7 ай бұрын

Maybe you should have watched the whole interview, she said she did not shoot with a tank.

@heatherlinnette189

7 ай бұрын

@@koch1467 I did, and she literally said the tank shot at the house with a shell, and that was the moment the young girl who was in the house that had been screaming the whole time stop screaming! So exactly, how is that a misconception?

@and1146

7 ай бұрын

​@@heatherlinnette189Is that interview availible in You tube and in english?

Anything the IDF present has no credibility

@leslie-annmills-gomez8763

7 ай бұрын

Agreed

@mbadi5735

7 ай бұрын

Yes, they lie all the time

@karinsander6689

7 ай бұрын

But Hamas has credibility????

@lelouchvibritannia4028

7 ай бұрын

​@@karinsander6689Absolutely they do.

@lelouchvibritannia4028

7 ай бұрын

​@@Karlos.xx.travelsI did.

Gaslighter

That quote about choosing to either deepen your humanity or numbing your humanity is powerful. I’ll take that thought with me.

Well, let's not forget that this is the same army who, on camera, showed a calendar in the hospital Al-Shifa saying that it has the names of the guards on it as a proof that hostages were held in that same place. A 5 year-old Arabic speaking child would see that it doesn't have any names and it's written only the weekdays. They also showed a computer with an Israeli female soldier liberated some days earlier as background picture claiming that it was seized from the headquarters of the enemy, before removing the video and re-uploading it on X with the background blurred this time. So when it comes to authentic audio, honest translation and trusting the explanation they give on the footage, I would be at least cautious.

@sanfooras5799

7 ай бұрын

Bingo

@TheFaro2011

7 ай бұрын

The audio they released was Lebanese accents. Stupid. Doesn't make sense even what they're saying

@thelionofgod

7 ай бұрын

This was corrected literally before the video was even posted. Check the timeline.

@scorpioascending4970

7 ай бұрын

Nah it was up for a few hours unblurred, then it was taken down and reuploaded a bit later.

@dl2one

7 ай бұрын

Fkn looney tunes vibes when they do that

“Atrocities can either deepen our humanity, or numb it to further atrocities”. That really stood out for me.

@billfarrelly4375

6 ай бұрын

Atrocities are atrocities. Nothing more nothing less

@diybronwynsmith263

6 ай бұрын

“Atrocities can either deepen our Humanity ,or numb it to further atrocities “ Yes great quote also that’s a very important articulation of the facts !I’m worried for our world seriously worried praying for these people and on both sides .

@Grammichal

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@billfarrelly4375 The point is does viewing atrocities NUMB people to atrocities?

@cagdas135

6 ай бұрын

@@Grammichal Certainly that was the expectation of the screeners.

@maxdcdc

6 ай бұрын

Sounds like a great quote but science shows otherwise

“We do see bodies of dead children, their faces blurred” and “We do see a Hamas militant throw a grenade into a shelter where two young boys are hiding with their father” and “We see no evidence in this footage of children being killed intentionally by Hamas” Amazing doublespeak

@johnyoung1606

6 ай бұрын

WTF Are You Saying ????????????????????????????? What Happens When A Grenade Is Thrown In An Enclosed Area???????????????????????? In The USA That Is ATTEMPTED MURDER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Are An ANIMAL!!!!!!!!!!!! (Sorry Animals) I do care what happened before BUT this is un-forgivable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@scarlettsenemy

6 ай бұрын

Lol so true 😅

@ScottNormanRosenthal

6 ай бұрын

There is tragedy all around. That being said, it isn't "genocide" and Israel isn't an apartheid state.

@scarlettsenemy

6 ай бұрын

I alwayz thought Genocide meant ‘an entire race’. So I Googled the definition and it said ‘whole or in part of’. Isn’t there something wrong with that definition? Wouldn’t that mean every war that ever happened was a Genocide because ‘part of’ the ppl were killed? Or am I high?

@ScottNormanRosenthal

6 ай бұрын

@@scarlettsenemy Such conceptualization can never be precise. Anyway, Israel isn't doing it. There are 2 million Palestinians living with liberty and prosperity within the state of Israel. They experience equal rights, and the privilege of no being forced into military service. However, many voluntarily enlist.

My criticism is that you have a level of scepticism on IDF information but you quote Gaza death toll figures that are Hamas controlled with no scepticism.

@mxplk

6 ай бұрын

Exactly! He's meticulously sceptical of Israel's claims, but then swivels 180 degrees and totally swallows Hamas claim of 20,000 deaths @12:12 - @12:33

@lammothgreen

6 ай бұрын

@@mxplk Yes, and take, for example, that rocket incedent at the hospital, when Hamas/Jazeera immediatelly announced destruction of the hospital and 500-700 people killed. In the morning it turned out that the rocket fell on the nearby parking lot, the hospital itselt was intact, and it was proven that is was NOT an Israeli rocket. Oh, and the death toll had to shrink to 50 or so.

6 ай бұрын

Probably because he doesn’t want to LIE for the benefit of Hasbara PROPAGANDISTS who have been creating lies after lies. I watched WAY too much of the violence, including of 10/7 and there are COUNTLESS lies flying around, almost entirely by Israeli propagandists.

@qswe1387

6 ай бұрын

Because Gaza figures have previously been confirmed true.

@haselbasil2488

6 ай бұрын

Owen is very antisemitic.

Children in Gaza are having their limbs amputated without anesthesie. That is alone is a horror film.

@Ravenghost123

7 ай бұрын

That is all because of Hamas

@Kvasiir

7 ай бұрын

Can’t be proved ❤

@Exceedtherealm

7 ай бұрын

​@@Ravenghost123 It's not Hamas who cut off supply in Gaza, it's Israel.

@fujohnson8667

7 ай бұрын

Tell Hamas to give up then.

@jutswheezie

7 ай бұрын

do you have proof to back up your statement??

It horrifies me that people we're expected to vote for are complicit in this evil crime

@lestrem11

7 ай бұрын

You can vote for anyone in the UK child, it’s allowed.

@s14011

7 ай бұрын

​@@lestrem11that's why democracy is a lie. Two dominant parties, each the same with minor differences. If you don't vote for one of the two then your vote hasn't mattered really.

@despicable866

7 ай бұрын

1. Who are you calling a child? 2.And yes I can.. and will vote green. But only Labour and Conservatives are likely to form a government because of our voting system. I would usually vote Labour, but will not now.@@lestrem11

@WhollyMowly

7 ай бұрын

It's impossible to vote for anyone responsible for this evil crime. Hamas has cancelled all elections since it received 44% of the vote in the 2006 elections.

@lestrem11

7 ай бұрын

@@despicable866 Grow up dummy, for £500 you can vote for yourself and if you can convince a handful of other fools to vote for you then you will get your money back.👌

A lot of survivors and first responders have committed suicide or have been committed to a mental asylum because of the trauma they witnessed. 😢

@alexanderv7702

6 ай бұрын

Where do you get that information from?

@pablanochilipepper

6 ай бұрын

Just imagine that in Gaza time 1000. Think of the horrific trauma 2.2 million people in Gaza and several million in the West Bank are experiencing.

@andycooper6085

6 ай бұрын

As in they were killed by IDF at the scene for realising the victims were from IDF soldiers?

@tinkerbelle2271

6 ай бұрын

@@pablanochilipepper it’s NOT the same as what happened in the kibbutz and at the Nova music festival.

@BOC-kr2il

6 ай бұрын

@@tinkerbelle2271 No, Israel has committed 1000 times the atrocities as they said. they are correct. Israel is committing the worst genocide in decades

Gentleman doesnt understand the difference between killing and murdering.

@gareth2736

5 ай бұрын

Murder is what is done by your enemy, killing is what is done by a side you support.

@theorncampbell4432

5 ай бұрын

@@gareth2736 Terrorism is what your enemy does and self defense is what the side you support does. At least that's what I hear from politicians.

Why would hamas burned their own people?! The fact that they have to make a movie about it means a lot…

@Thumbelllina

7 ай бұрын

Incompetence, chaos and could be their Hannibal directive. Also they sent young girls in tanks that never operated certain weapons to fight Hamas 😞

@fistikpamuk1

7 ай бұрын

Any you know this how???????

@TheTerminatorJ30SS

7 ай бұрын

@@fistikpamuk1 There is a video of IDF female soldiers. That said exactly what the dude above you said. Some refused to follow their commanders because they were never trained with those weapons, and they didn't know if they would kill civilians if they fire.

@WhollyMowly

7 ай бұрын

Hamas has murdered many of its own civilians. Two have been executed by Hamas this week.

@DDDSSDDDSSDDDSS

7 ай бұрын

​@TheTerminatorJ30SS I saw this as well. Now israrl is trying to shut down Harretz news which is older than the state of israel

I seriously don't see the point of this screening except for seeking sympathy and approval for their own acts of genocide.

@raziabolaky794

7 ай бұрын

That’s exactly my thoughts too

@JiluMiah-ek2rd

7 ай бұрын

Exactly what anyone would think. Nothing justifies killing of innocents

@Lowlandlord

7 ай бұрын

Ding ding ding, sadly, we have a winner :(

@Goujiki

7 ай бұрын

You don't know what genocide means. If they wanted to commit genocide, why not carpet bomb the south of Gaza right now? You're such a fool. 12,000 people dead out of 2 MILLION Gazans. That's not genocide.

@juliewillard1367

7 ай бұрын

Really?!

I have zero compassion for Hamas supporters. zero. Zero.

@phantasticmrphasma9874

6 ай бұрын

You haven’t even met a hamas supporter lol clown.. cognitive dissonance enabling you to kid yourself that israel are defending themselves and not indiscriminately killing thousands of innocent palestinians

@pcuttino1111

6 ай бұрын

People are not supporting Hamas. they have empathy for the Palestinian civilization. Stop with the BS.

@NoKidsNoProblem

6 ай бұрын

There are people that support Hamas.

@ShayHorowitzHorowitz

6 ай бұрын

@@NoKidsNoProblem despicable, literally! I support the innocent Palestinians, but not Hamas FFS

@NoKidsNoProblem

6 ай бұрын

@@ShayHorowitzHorowitz same here. Palestinians deserve to live and have a nice home. Hamas should be kicked out of power.

What do you think is the best way to resolve this conflict given that Hamas and people all over the world are calling for Oct 7 over and over again? I don’t want to see conflict or war or killing at all. I agree with you. Do you think that if Hamas all stayed in an area away from civilians or surrendered and released the rest of the hostages there would be any civilians targeted by Israel? Hamas intentionally targets civilians. Whomever orchestrated Oct 7 knew exactly how Israel would react and doesn’t care how many Palestinians die. The Hamas leaders literally said the tunnels are for Hamas and the civilians can be protected by UN. I saw the interviews where Hamas leaders said they are ready to sacrifice the “martyrs” but the martyrs all all civilians they are intentionally putting in harms way.

@BBrunswick

6 ай бұрын

That has to be one of the best responses I have read

@catbirdler

6 ай бұрын

100% true. Excellent questions to which intelligent people have the answer, unfortunately.

@user-py7hh5vo3l

6 ай бұрын

Bingo these are the questions that are ignored by way too many

@user-py7hh5vo3l

6 ай бұрын

Bingo these are the questions that are ignored by way too many

@arturom31

6 ай бұрын

Netanyahu said that it was better to financiate hamas in order to mantain Gaza and the wesk bank more incomunicated. So he, Israel is the one that gets the benefit

Could someone put on a screening of the horrors caused by the IDF. Will that be any easier to watch

@samara6041

7 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@alanrobinson2229

7 ай бұрын

They must have footage

@AshlyCovington

7 ай бұрын

those screenings are happening minute by minute on tiktok or being streamed lived. thousands of hours of videos. The movie made from the Palestinian suffering would be too long to watch.

@dr6124

7 ай бұрын

Type in "drone strike" or "airstrike" on KZread

@evek2501

7 ай бұрын

That would have to be a long-running series.

"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." Malcolm X

@clo1187

7 ай бұрын

He was a criminal, a racist and a homosexual prostitute get better role models😂

@robweaver8872

7 ай бұрын

Not sure how this is relevant. Most people seem to support Palestine in this war. Everyone who supports Palestine seems to thinks they are special and 'anti media'. Even mainstream Western media such as CNN may seemingly support Israel, but they don't. Pay careful attention to how mainstream media edits and presents this war, you are meant to support Palestine.

@joanezra5154

7 ай бұрын

Who shot Malcom

@BillClinton228

7 ай бұрын

So you're saying we shouldn't believe the Hamas leader who stated live on Lebanon TV that they would repeat what happened on Oct 7th over and over and over?Was that faked? Or is he just opressed?

@anthonybaiocchi3028

7 ай бұрын

​@@BillClinton228so did you? 😉

You would NOT expect it to be the worst material that they have. It had to be approved by the relatives, so you do not know at all whether it is the worst or not.

@bender9000

6 ай бұрын

If only there were cameras in 1948. If only.

@yonatankarni

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@bender9000in 1948 there were atrocities performed by both sides - for instance read about the Kfar EtIon massacre, and evidence for mutilation of bodies by Palestinians. Israeli scholars research the Israeli side in recent decades - but it seems Palestinian historians are still too patriotic to stray from the official line, and archives in the Arab world are either non existent or barred from access.

@adrianred236

6 ай бұрын

We know that, and Owen said as much. The whole point seems to have swept over your head though.

@Iron-Lion-Zion

6 ай бұрын

​it was a war and your grandpapa lost to mine.​@@bender9000 Now you got two choices- recognize it and we will talk. Or try sgain and again to defeat me - it sucks till now, honestly. You only loose. While your boss "resistors" counting bucks in Doha.

@j.m.g.2041

6 ай бұрын

The Hannibal directive mandates the killing of Israeli hostages by the Israeli government yet they can’t share footage of Israeli victims of Oct 7 in a closed screening to journalists without the approval of their families? That math doesn’t add up.

Those who asked Where are the photos of the bodies? The evidence? That is obscene in this situation!

21:53: “This has happened throughout history: where you are encouraged to breakdown your empathy for the suffering of others by selectively focusing only suffering of some. I won’t do that. I’m not going to do that.” What a courage, keep humanity going….. Thank you

@yisroelackerman

7 ай бұрын

This isn't courage. It's the a popular view - especially in England.

@3brenm

7 ай бұрын

@@yisroelackerman no. The popular view is tribalism, as usual

@yisroelackerman

7 ай бұрын

@@3brenm and you would be implying that there is a kind of "political tribalism"?

@elaineedgar2913

7 ай бұрын

@@yisroelackermanof course there is. Most of the evils perpetrated are based on tribalism. Not Football of course!

@raneemalkhalili3011

7 ай бұрын

Just look at the difference between the situation of Palestinian prisoners and the situation of Israeli prisoners wisely and you will know who is a terrorist and who is a war criminal. Read about the story of Israa Al-Jaabis and you will know

Until an independent inquiry happens I can't take Israel's word.

@sirmeowthelibrarycat

7 ай бұрын

😠 There will be no such inquiry because neither the United States nor Israel will permit it.

@luiz.nazario

7 ай бұрын

The same about what Hamas says.

@zzsmile1

7 ай бұрын

​@luiz.nazario Well Hamas have not shown themselves to be pathological liars like Israel has. Hamas seem to own up to what they have and have not done, even when they distinguish who they consider as civilian vs soldier.

@luiz.nazario

7 ай бұрын

@@zzsmile1 Really? Can you answer me why they don't protect Palestinian children in their tunnels? They don't care about their lives. They want a hight number of Palestinian children killed to blame Israel for it. The Hamas leaders live in palasts in Qatar, in Dubai, with the billions they have stolen from the Palestine people.

@wilman4721

7 ай бұрын

@@zzsmile1 Really? You haven’t seen any of the multiple interviews with Hamas representatives saying October 7th didn’t happen?

IT doesn't matter if they ask if they are soldiers or not because this was a civilian situations and they are unarmed. This is murder like in the worst way.

Owen, thank you very much for attending the screening and for your well reasoned and humanitarian response. This is exactly what we need to chart a course towards peace.

@andrewkohler9730

3 ай бұрын

Owen's humanity and compassion are so admirable, especially at a time when moral clarity is so very lacking.

@assafsoudry8593

2 ай бұрын

Sorry to burst your bubble folks, but Owen's attitude will not bring us closer to peace. The opposite. He's a silly confused little boy.

Serious question: Would those journalists be open to watching a video depicting innocent Palestinian children being targeted and cut into pieces on the streets? I'm curious about their reactions and how they would define such killings, especially in the context of the human shield narrative.

@bathsheba9581

7 ай бұрын

Two wrongs don't make a right.

@Isynchromissity

7 ай бұрын

Depends on their journalistic integrity

@niceandeasy68

7 ай бұрын

that's a lie , IDF never targeted innocents children.

@Eeeeeeeeeels

7 ай бұрын

Or how they treat Palestinian minors and adults under illegal administrative detention in Israeli prisons

@jammin1881

7 ай бұрын

Before there was even a military response from Israel the media was bashing Israel. People needed to understand what happened to trigger a response. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Only the world holds a double standard towards Israel.

Real journalism by Owen Jones. He is not afraid of the truth.

@ranro7371

7 ай бұрын

There were no No Attacks on civilians on the 7th. Just collateral. 500/1200-1300 (they keep magically decreasing) were soldiers. 'Out of 769 names, 462 military (55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants of whom 45 are sergeants majors, 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 13 captains, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, 2 Lance Corp). It was a Military defeat, they are taking it out on the rest' - analysis of datasheet from haaretz.

@grahamlittlefair8107

7 ай бұрын

Well he doesnt seam to be able to find it.

@johnmcmanus7328

7 ай бұрын

​@@grahamlittlefair8107😢😢😢

@snipelite94

7 ай бұрын

Next watch the Apache helicopter Hannibal doctrine "collateral damage" footage Owen

@creativesolution3

7 ай бұрын

Of course. When something is so far from you, you have no reason to afraid of...

I think you had your eyes closed, scared to watch

You presume this must be the worst of it - and make the point that certain things were not on film so you rather imply they might not have happened.

@user-ov4wr5yu4r

6 ай бұрын

No no. I think it means they selected many of the worst, but balancing that, is the fact that among events that were not filmed are likely even more truly horrific events mixed with other mildly horrific events.

@grahf6807

6 ай бұрын

When so many home invasions, murders and kidnappnings happen there is always some r-word crime. The South African white farmer murders sometimes involved that crime for example.

@ssvsssjs

6 ай бұрын

You obviously don’t follow current events.

@muzikmaestro1

6 ай бұрын

No proof and we already know israelis are bare faced liars. I don’t believe hamas did what israel are saying. Israel are the perpetrators.

@haselbasil2488

6 ай бұрын

@@grahf6807 Are you actually trying to justify what Hamas has done, that is just evil. And you would not do this with any other group of people. This war is really bringing out the antisemitism.

BOYCOTT TED BAKER... Another supporter of apatheid we can avoid. Thanks.

@phaeton777

7 ай бұрын

Boycott all those genocide apartheid supporting companies and brands

@Tony605

7 ай бұрын

Just speaking the truth.

@phaeton777

7 ай бұрын

@@Harry-Storm well its clear you're living with your eyes closed....its only a matter of time before you choke on your own bs...

@phaeton777

7 ай бұрын

@@Tony605 for the truth you need to see and feel...look at the genocide that is happening....look at how many innocent people have been slaughtered...

@edinahalilovic4248

7 ай бұрын

​@@Harry-Stormhahaha, you funny 😅 if you can't see it because you so in love with Israhell. Rest of us can see very clearly Israhell the terrorist state 🙄

What people would build a community on the frontlines of a genocide campaign? Neighbors to people they've humiliated, mocked and tortured?

@rm809

7 ай бұрын

​@@Ultra250at a guess, I'd say the one that the Israeli government is loudly proclaiming .

@susiex6669

7 ай бұрын

Those communities are deeeply connected to the military. This isnt your typical suburbia neighborhood.

@turcoboshnak

7 ай бұрын

@@Ultra250 Genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.

@user-mo8nq6ml8f

7 ай бұрын

Who arranges to have a festival on the outskirts of a what is essentially a concentration camp?

@stephencaudill2422

7 ай бұрын

who would have a music rave next to a concentration camp?

Never forget + Never forgive = Never again

@mikah9289

5 ай бұрын

Isn't that the reason why everything has happened and is still happening?

This guy is bending the info. I know who he supports.

@hansolkeniasina280

6 күн бұрын

He denies everything....so it's clear he is a hamas member😂😂😂

Have they shown you how they shelled from tank and from apache helecopter on that day, indiscriminately, knowing full well their civilians were at the real risk of getting shot?

@OwenJonesTalks

7 ай бұрын

I’ve covered this if you watch it all

@zakdee2732

7 ай бұрын

Have you seen Max Blumenthal talk about it?

@s_shaleh

7 ай бұрын

​@@Ultra250Any evidence of decapitated babies and raped women or pregnant women having their bellies cut open and their unborn babies ripped out?

@joanofarca-8157

7 ай бұрын

@@Ultra250an eye witness who survived did an interview on Israeli radio confirming it

@leslie-annmills-gomez8763

7 ай бұрын

​@@OwenJonesTalkswe must meet Owen, I applaud your courage

Can anything you say be compared to the 70 years of oppression , torture and murder of Palestinians by a modern Army with horrific weaponry ?

@edithputhy4948

7 ай бұрын

If Israeli victims don't matter, why should anyone care about Palestinian victims?

@sanfooras5799

7 ай бұрын

​@@edithputhy4948they are the aggressors

@ianalan4367

7 ай бұрын

@sanfooras5799 - They we’re in a cease fire when Hamas attacked on 10/7 - They were not at war not in a military conflict with anyone prior to being attacked in 1948 after anointing statehood. When they respond to being attacked they are suddenly the aggressor?

@spaceman9599

7 ай бұрын

76 years

@rosestewart1606

7 ай бұрын

@@ianalan4367 no. They were living under an illegal occupation on 10/7. In 1948 they were clearly the aggressor....there is no way to finesse it. They committed terrorist attacks that resulted in the deaths of 15 thousand people and kicked 1 million people out of their homes and off their land.

If you truly like and believe Hamas’ innocence, why don’t you take a trip and live there for a while?

Isn't it almost tragically comedic how Westerners painstakingly go over footage like this to check for war crimes? It almost detracts from the fact that a group of fundamentalists knowingly targeted, tortured and murdered civilians.

@rolandscales9380

5 ай бұрын

Not comedic. Would the purported evidence stand up in a properly constituted court of law? This is the age of Post-Truth. We have learned not to trust Putin or Trump. Should we trust Herzog or Netanyahu?

@Mahmood42978

5 ай бұрын

What do you recommend? Give a blank cheque greenlight to Israel conquest?

@chestbuster1987

5 ай бұрын

@@Mahmood42978 I honestly don't have a solution but whatever it is, it shouldn't be a win for Hamas.

@Mahmood42978

5 ай бұрын

@@chestbuster1987 what I'm hearing here is that it's more important that Hamas don't win than Palestinians survive.

@sdrawkcabUK

5 ай бұрын

@@Mahmood42978there are 2 million ppl in the Gaza Strip, I don’t think they need to worry about ‘surviving’

I'm more interested in what they found in the hamas hq under Al Shifa hospital, its been over a week now..

@Flanke111

7 ай бұрын

IDF has not yet been able to make the film

@BrodaPaul

7 ай бұрын

Just editing out the errors before the premier

@J3unG

7 ай бұрын

There's vids of this, bro. The Israelis built the tunnels in 1983 as a way to support the hospital with underground shelter. It's never been used. The IDF claims this was a headquarters for Hamas activities but found NO EVIDENCE of habitation. Check Al Jazeera and Fox news for this coverage, it's there. Also check Amanpour interviewing Ehud Barak confirming Israeli bunker project in 1983.

@lelouchvibritannia4028

7 ай бұрын

​@@BrodaPaulAKA the war crimes Israel committed.

75 years of occupation and dehumanization might do that to someone ... If "Israel" had not done what it did to the Palestinians throughout the years none of this would have happened. Americans in particular love to celebrate the death of their enemies, with pretty sadistic language, especially in the military (I am an Iraq "war" veteran). Abu Ghraib ring a bell? This did not start on Oct. 7th.

@edithputhy4948

7 ай бұрын

If Gazans hadn't elected terrorists none of this would be happening. If you can't condemn Oct 7th, don't complain about the bombing either. Edit: nevermind, Israel is wrong

@tiktokasylum5186

7 ай бұрын

@@edithputhy4948if isreal didn’t elect terrorist then this wouldn’t happen

@tiktokasylum5186

7 ай бұрын

Most of the IDF accusation are lies.

@RandoOnline_

7 ай бұрын

You clearly don't get it@@edithputhy4948

@edithputhy4948

7 ай бұрын

@@tiktokasylum5186 Even a more moderate government would have reacted strongly to Hamas terrorist attack. After Oct 7th there would be no way around it. Edit: changed my mind, Israel needs to stop

I’m so sorry you had to witness all that. You will inevitably walk with those visions forever, probably. But it’s your true journalistic honesty and the way you report everything that I admire. Again, I’m so sorry you had to see that, but I respect you more now than I did prior to watching this video. I really appreciate all your journalism and all your KZread videos. My nephew is that 2 million subscriber video and makes a killing and has two-three videos a week. It’s a lot of work for him, so I really do appreciate your daily videos because not only does it take time to come up with the content but you also have to do the editing and that’s not a very short process. Thank you so much for all your journalism expertise and sharing it. I truly appreciate it.

Very well elucidated point of view. I think you comments about being either numbed to the atrocities or trying to find increased humanity so as not to go down the same path as a result are spot on.

At 79 l greatly admire this young man. Whenever l listen to him (along with Michael and Ash) l feel more optimistic. While there are people of this generation who feel so passionately about justice and truth there is - despite all evidence to the contrary - real hope for the future.

@juliac3933

7 ай бұрын

Who is Michael and Ash

@TheLampini

7 ай бұрын

​@@juliac3933Novara Media..

@polliebain7450

7 ай бұрын

@@juliac3933 presenters on Novara Media channel

@bobbibop8980

7 ай бұрын

​@@juliac3933Michael Walker and Ash Sarkar from Novara media

@fathersunglasses6085

7 ай бұрын

​@@juliac3933Novara Media

Israel's censorship of journalists is unacceptable. Journalists should be allowed to investigate.

@grbbbc

7 ай бұрын

Go to a neighbouring Arab state and see the freedom to investigate there. Have you no awareness of the area?

@wacquantx

7 ай бұрын

@@grbbbc 53 media professionals have been killed so far and everything you can think of is whataboutery. Shameful.

@Actually_Woke_6277

7 ай бұрын

@@grbbbcalways whataboutism

@usmansyed6064

7 ай бұрын

​@gr9152 I thought Israel was the only "democracy" in the middle east. See the hole you dug for yourself here?

@thiskiwigal

7 ай бұрын

​@@wacquantx if they have been killed it is by HAMAS , not Israel. STOP LYING.

The 7 yr old girl under table killing was confessed by hamas person captured. Also elderly woman killed. Watch those confessions

@LivingtheLonelyLife

6 ай бұрын

where to watch?

@catbirdler

6 ай бұрын

​@@LivingtheLonelyLifeon the internet, duh. Do you need to be spoonfed or are you willing to do your own research?

@a.m.ysfoodfun

6 ай бұрын

Share the link please

@ricardofranc906

6 ай бұрын

There is only one truth.

@sawsanalh2802

3 ай бұрын

Sure I'm going to believe the words of a captive of a state that regularly tortures its prisoners

It's almost like if there wasn't film this guy wouldn't believe any of this happened.

The footage had to be cleared by the surviving relatives and many didn't want their dead relatives shown so they didn't clear it for public viewing. That's one of the reasons you don't see it

@saidzihmmou6426

7 ай бұрын

lying by omission? and it has been proven time and time again that i$ra*l has lied. it's integrity should not to be trusted.

@giovanniferrari2198

6 ай бұрын

Really? Can you share a source/link? Thank you

@anhpam9205

6 ай бұрын

Show some respect and sanctity for the dead.That is a very strong value. How dare you, Owen, raise a shadow of doubt over the veracity.Imagine for 43 minutes if this were YOUR family , parent, spouse, child or friend, if YOUR home had been razed and pillaged, if YOU were dragged from YOUR bed at dawn by a pack of vicious savages and kept in captivity with no human rights whatsoever. Do this for the full 43 minutes and only then you can comment! While you are at it think of those hooligans in Gaza who escorted the about to be freed hostages out, jeering and cheering wildly as if it was some kind of circus show. Think of the Hamas leaders playing games, switching names on the lists and otherwise breaching left and right the terms of the release. As if we should have had to pay ANY price for anyone! 3 convicted terrorist criminals in exchange for a grandmother, toddler or teenager AND still some 140 suffering unspeakbly there .. Who will compensate us, rebuild our homes, pay for pyschological treatment for life, help mourn the dead? Wake up from your privileged cushy slumber!!

@drinkingup2157

6 ай бұрын

@@anhpam9205 As everybody is becoming aware there is more than a shadow of doubt over the claims coming from the Israeli Government. The claims just don't stand up to independent scrutiny.

@micaaaa1686

6 ай бұрын

​@@anhpam9205Stop believing that the world revolves around you and your pain. Palestinians have suffered much more than the Israelis and the whole world sees it clearly

Maybe they shouldn’t have built their settlements right outside an active concentration camp?

@leslie-annmills-gomez8763

7 ай бұрын

Well said

@MartinLewisEsq

7 ай бұрын

There were also adjacent military bases, almost as if the kibbutz were some kind of shield. What kind of shield would that be defined as?

@elsonck2523

7 ай бұрын

Apparently a lot of the people in those settlements were peaceniks who IDF also hated.

@Harry-Storm

7 ай бұрын

You clearly know f-all about Gaza and much much less about concentration camps. And some of those "settlements" i.e. kibbutzim were there before 1967, when Gaza was administered by Egypt.

@kevingriener7441

7 ай бұрын

​@Harry-Storm it's a concentration camp dude. And you're for it. Which makes you pro concentration camp.

Israel’s heavy handed response to October 7th was predictable and there’s really no future for Hamas in the region and that’s for the best for everyone.

@richardpark3054

6 ай бұрын

'heavy handed'? What?

@AliSinaHarati

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, there is certainly no future for Apartheid Israel. 🍉

I think it is amazing that you are so careful of verifying one side to the nth and completely without question accept and give out quite boldly what you are told by the other. You too have taken a side.

@s13rr4buf3

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. He doesn't even mention that his casualty numbers are directly out of Hamas's mouth in this war whose purpose is to delegitimize Israel and create demand for its destruction all over the world. Do you think there's any chance he actually didn't know the "Ministry of Health" is a Hamas suborg?

@user-eq7xh2vh7b

4 ай бұрын

Of course he has taken a side! Look at his T-shirt.

@chickenbutt420

Ай бұрын

IDF has consistently lied. Palestinian death toll figures are verified by many independent humanitarian organizations.

I'm surprised you didnt mention that IDF tanks and helicopters who were raining down bullets at their own citizens indiscriminately..

@danielhabibian9420

7 ай бұрын

He did

@IAT1964

7 ай бұрын

That was never shown. So Owen cannot talk a out it like it's fact.

@xfozx80

7 ай бұрын

​@@IAT1964 of course they won't include that bit will they. How else will they be able to play the victim card & wage war on the innocent Pale.st.inian civilians when they kil.led so many of thier own people.

@koch1467

7 ай бұрын

There was 2 instances where the IDF might have killed a few civilians like that. Stop this nonsense, its pathetic.

@spaceman9599

7 ай бұрын

@@koch1467 You mean the incident where they caused the destruction of houses by shelling that they later blamed on Hamas, or the incident where they strafed people running from the festival from a gunship and then used the burned bodies and burnt out cars to blame Hamas? Estimations shows that a large number of Israeli civilians were killed by heavy weapons which only the IoF had, and there is also evidence that the IoF were employing the Hannibal Directive - kill everyone rather than allow anyone to be captured. This is all over the Israeli press.

Did the IDF acknowledge the killing of there own people, and explain the cars and house that were simply blown up, and the testimony of survivors that the IDF Killed there own citizens, I don’t justify the Hamas attack, but I like to get all of the information not just one side account, it has been noted that a large number of Israel deaths were from IDF fire, from tanks, helicopters and soldiers. It was a bad day to be a israel citizen being killed by the enemy and your protector. But the Israel military is not held accountable for killing its own citizens.

@Lazydaisy646

7 ай бұрын

Please where is your evidence of this accusation?

@user-fm9ke7in2h

7 ай бұрын

​@@hu9912 your stupidity at its peak

@jennydavis4872

7 ай бұрын

Very well said 👏🏽 100%

@lolologagaga6251

7 ай бұрын

What a rubbish

@s14011

7 ай бұрын

​@@hu991220,000 now...

And how he talks about it in a monotone and normalized tone as if it's nothing...

@lisaboo50

5 ай бұрын

Right? I guess he's numbed.

We can speak so eloquently and beautifully from our comfortable couches. That includes me.

Yes Owen I agree. They think we are choosing sides. We are not. We are on the side of truth, peace and love and justice for all

@AJ-pc9gu

7 ай бұрын

We are pro-peace, and to be pro-peace means letting Palestinians have dignity.

@s14011

7 ай бұрын

As the person above me stated, not choosing a side is being complicit. The Palestinians are allowed to fight for their freedom.

@samehmikhail5039

7 ай бұрын

How can you agree, we know Hamas is a terrorist organization but Israel killed over 15,000 civilians in cold blood by air strike, the majority killed were women and children, this called war crimes, and Genocide. Bombing Hospitals, Churches, schools,and mosques. Killing over 60 journalists, and over 20 UN workers . It is clear to the whole world how criminal is Netenyhu.

@steve10

7 ай бұрын

​@@AJ-pc9guPro peace , been chanting a song about a river and the sea lately ???? Because you and your kind can't keep the song out of your mouths

@3brenm

7 ай бұрын

You might not be choosing sides, but plenty on the left are. Like the person above me

Yeah, women always walked around without underwear 😢

@Wonzling0815

3 ай бұрын

There's lots of reasons to end up without underwear in your own home. Especially if you are on fire.

May our young minds stop getting their news from influencers.

Why would a victim's phone randomly be recorded/intercepted🤔 Does Israel just tap everyone's phone and record at all times? Thats so suspicious and seems ridiculous.

@Ovindodly

7 ай бұрын

Ils nous prennent toujours pour des imbéciles, sans cervelle!! On retrouve le passeport (arabe bien sûr) du terroriste sur les lieux 😅 on a des fioles sensées être une arme de destruction😅 d une victime qui massive(irak) et là le téléphone d une victime bla bla ... et mettent des semaines pour donner cet enregistrement !! N importe quoi! Et alors, c est justifier le GENOCIDE en cours peut-être ?

@gimagnussen

7 ай бұрын

The images were sent to their families. The families watched it all on their own phone. Does it sound suspicious to you?

@lizroberts1569

7 ай бұрын

Hamas used the victims phones and they recorded themselves doing this

@n.21

7 ай бұрын

@@lizroberts1569 lies lies lies lies only a fool braindead would believe

@gerardduffy8778

7 ай бұрын

AP, Reuters, NY Times and CNN had reporters on the ground too... The world is a stage!!!!

In terms of showing such footage - surely there would be legality issues with this? I'm not sure, even under any kind of journalistic guise, there would be exemption in UK law to screen footage which explicitly showed murder of children or sexual assault....

It is a bit strange that they have decided to do these 'private screenings', it feels a little counterproductive to not make all of this public if they are trying to sway international public opinion. Perhaps, they are trying to find those people of influence to go forth with the message and give the public a second-hand account rather than let the public decide for themselves.

@Arberin

6 ай бұрын

They don't want it to become public out of respect to the victims and their families

@mumlife_overseas

6 ай бұрын

Aside frm respect frrom the family of the victims... it was mentioned weeks ago that a lot of scenarios are very horrific that it was advised not to be shown publicly. Any journalists or private people who are willing to watch if frm what i know is welcome. I havent heard selective people are not allowed or allowed

@yveclark

6 ай бұрын

Perhaps the footage is just too sick to show. Why do you want to watch what amounts to sn**f videos before you believe it anyway?

@Blindmonkey69

6 ай бұрын

@@mumlife_overseas I hear that, but they don't mind showing it to at least some people, so the 'respect' for the dead thing is understandable, but I'm skeptical of it. Secondly, I have not seen anyway to view the film in it's entirety, which is odd especially given the importance of the film as an official piece of historic documentation of the event for the Israelis, and also given Israel's commitment to hasbara.

@Raydeus01

6 ай бұрын

The Palestinian people who are being slaughtered in the tens of thousands are showing every horrific detail, so yes, Israel should absolutely show proof to the public of these egregious claims that constitute a genocide on the civilian population of Gaza.

Thank you. Some people still able to think critically and lucidity about this. ❤

Just why is there a screening of this, like as if it's a setup seems very bizzare.

@charshill2978

7 ай бұрын

For the israelis to drum up support for their mass slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza. To give an air of openness when evidence is not corroborated independently anyway. To try to control the narrative.

@MartinLewisEsq

7 ай бұрын

Jones doesn't say the video was shared by Hamas, does he? Do you think that perhaps the IDF shared it to distract from their genocide of Palestinians? It's clear that IDF were responsible for a number of Israeli deaths on 7 Oct, according to eyewitness reports, and statements from IDF combatants.

@maghrebi_wa_bidalael

7 ай бұрын

@@davidmontgomery9846 It’s also being shown to excuse the killing of 5000 children in Gaza..any sane person will say; this October 7th event is horrible but so is bombing and killing 11000 people the majority of which are kids.

@zinam7480

7 ай бұрын

where the hell do you get your numbers? pull those out of your behind? Seriously.@@maghrebi_wa_bidalael

@xfozx80

7 ай бұрын

Not heard of Ha.sb.ara policy? Look it up. It's another way to humanise 1 party & dehumanise another. As much as how awful it is, what happend to 'innocent' people on 7 o.c t, Israhell is the aggressor & has been since it set it's eyes on that piece of land.

Both Hamas and IDF have committed War Crimes and both Should be brought to justice

Well Owen, Just a question. Why are there such unproportional demand for scrutinizing claims about atrocities against Israelis and not against claims of atrocities against Muslems ????

@1932christian

6 ай бұрын

You are confusing the two! They are both relevant but different

@bhazerelli7611

6 ай бұрын

​@1932christian No, it was an extremely legitimate question. When accusations are made against Israel, people believe it, with no real evidence. When atrocities are being committed against Israelis, all of a sudden people are reluctant to believe anything, even when it is pretty clear.

@paulmacdonald99

6 ай бұрын

This is because Israel is using its claims of atrocities to justify the killing of tens of thousands of Gazans. If Hamas had killed 1200 Israelis (soldiers and citizens) in a non-atrocious manner would Israel be behaving differently? If Hamas had killed Israelis in a manner similar to how Israelis killed Paleistinians in 1948 would that be alright?

@tinabailey3170

6 ай бұрын

Exactly I hardly ever hear anybody condemn what Hamas did😢

@theobroma7755

6 ай бұрын

Because so many people are blatant Antisemites.

the fact that the footage isn’t released for the public proves its not 100% true footage.

@user-yt2mo8ze7y

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. Because they know the public will scrutinise every single frame of that footage.

@juliusklugi7430

7 ай бұрын

Yes that’s exactly what we need - the expertise of the armchair plebiscite to ‘scrutinise’ every single frame. Anyway, the uncensored footage from that day is out there for all to see on the various telegram channels. If this great body of ‘experts’ can’t find it then I seriously doubt their forensic skills are going to be of much use.

@zeroskaterz92

7 ай бұрын

@@juliusklugi7430 You sound like one of those smoothbrains that believe on the audio that IDF claimed to intercept and the footage of a nurse in a hospital to be true. lol Let me guess, you probably believe the footage of calender that consist of Hamas' plans as well. lol

@jonathanp89

7 ай бұрын

​@@juliusklugi7430 Err a plebiscite is another term for a referendum...can't get Brexit out of your head?

@consume_vegetables

7 ай бұрын

@@juliusklugi7430 and those plebiscite are the ones who managed uncover truths, which "intellectuals" like you refused to believe and dwell in your myopia. If not, imagine believing "7 days a week" is a list of villainous individuals if it weren't for people who can actually read arabic.

“We only want a select group of people to view specific footage.” Those children with blurred faces are Gaza’s children.

@user-yt2mo8ze7y

7 ай бұрын

💯

@raziabolaky794

7 ай бұрын

Yep they do like to play dirty after all

Owen, your thoughts throughout this video are very well articulated and wise. “You are encouraged to break down your empathy for the sufferings of others, by selectively focusing only on the suffering of some.” I am surrounded by this, and cannot comprehend it. I won’t do that, either. Again, well said.

Lots of censorship on this page

They did not show what Israel is doing to Palestinians in West Bank before and after oct 7th. They killed over two hundred civilians and they imprisoned many more. What have you to say over these atrocities.

@michael-israeljarvis5604

7 ай бұрын

He has already spoken about these atrocities and is likely to keep doing so.

@jennydavis4872

7 ай бұрын

Exactly 🤔

"Let's show our justification for slaughtering civilians by showing how awful it is to slaughter civilians." - Ministry of Dumb and Evil

@brentwood1334

7 ай бұрын

They had warnings some of Hamas could of misfired missiles on their own people

@hebahsalem

7 ай бұрын

That actually made me laugh out loud.

@Titus9508

7 ай бұрын

Brilliant. Perfectly put.

It appears you are questioning the level of violence on oct7 why don't you ask to be present at the area where Israeli people are trying to identify the victims of this slaughter if you have the intestinal fortitude to view such a gruesome sight !!

@findmeahandle

6 ай бұрын

Many were killed by idf btw

@doreensartori4610

6 ай бұрын

I agree with you Peter Banford people water down what happened on October 7 that’s disgusting he didn’t see a quarter of ❤Of what went on that day too many opinions are not all the truth

Come over and live here for 20 years and then you will feel.

600 children have had to have amputations.

I was a health worker working for the Palestine Red Crescent Society in 1982 during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and was taken prisoner by the phalangists during the massacre of Sabra and Shatila in September 1982. I was a witness of this massacre and have tried all my life to bring its mastermind, Ariel Sharon, to justice. I have watched many of the videos detailing the masacre of Israeli civilians on October 7th. They are horrifying and the culprits should be brought to justice. But in no way can this screening justify the greater massacre of thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza, who are not responsible. Bless you, Owen, for your thoughts. They are mine as well.

@VAFFA

7 ай бұрын

these 'innocent' civilians caught and trapped an hostage who was alone on the bombarded streets of gaza, after the building he was kept in was striked and took the lives of his guards. the innocent civilians who were in favour of number and means, trapped the starving dude and called hamas to come and take him back. there are no innocent civilians in gaza.

@nihluxler1890

7 ай бұрын

Mind you, most if not all of the people who physically carried those atrocities out are most likely already dead and their remains desecrated by Israeli forces, and probably never planned on coming out of this alive in the first place.

@jeffclark4473

7 ай бұрын

​@@VAFFAWhen Hamas does it, you call it kidnapping. When Israel does it, you call it detainment. You can't have it both ways. It is either reprehensible or it isn't. Try to be consistent with your condemnation.

@buckygoldstein5354

7 ай бұрын

How come you leave out everything before the attack in 1982? What do you know about the PLO?

@samehmikhail5039

7 ай бұрын

Israel committed so many crimes against humanity.

They explicitly told you at the screening that it would not show killings of children, sexual assaults or anything that wasn’t consented to by victims. Your approach to this is intellectually concerning overall.

@mirshafie

6 ай бұрын

He explicitly told you that they told him.

@NPC-fl3gq

6 ай бұрын

That would also be a great excuse to use if no such thing occurred - Haretz has already disputed many of the claims Israel made (eg, baby's in ovens, baby's tied together and burned alive etc).

The word of a child.

So in other words Netanyahu and the IDF wants us to choose between two evils? We choose neither. We are on the side of the civilians who deserve to live in dignity. We side with humanity.

@Hmmm-hmmm

7 ай бұрын

What should Israel have done after it was invaded by Hamas on October 7th?

@Arginne

7 ай бұрын

@@Hmmm-hmmmuhm that was in ashkelon which is internationally recognized as palestine invasion??

@wanakid2192

7 ай бұрын

Nah, isra3l is evil. 😂😂… you gave money to bad people… that is isra3l 😂😂😂…. Looks like they official af causes you allow it

@MollyRichardson247

7 ай бұрын

They bombed civilians indiscriminately and relentlessly citing tunnels. The tunnels they later showed were unaffevted by the bombings. So , what was the point of killing thousands upon thousands of children and innocent civilians ? Hundreds of children became amputees , 50 % infrastructure destroyed, 1 million people displaced. For what?? We dont even know how many thousands of people are still under the rubble, dead or alive dying a slow and horrible death.

@faaaduma

7 ай бұрын

Civilians or no civilians, Isreal will always be on the evil side.

So Israel put this film together? How do we know all of the clips are accurate and from October 7? They have a history of claiming that footage is from a certain date when it's not.

@Tomara710

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. Proven liars.

@spaceman9599

7 ай бұрын

We don't. Period.

@NaorStang

6 ай бұрын

Well, sherlock, i bet you take hamas's word no questions asked (ie. The hospital false reports) so when an actual video recorded by hamas themselves is compiled and presented to the world you squint your eyes in suspicion? Interesting.

@BedoTFD

6 ай бұрын

When your entire counter-argument is based around a baseless assumption, it shows how you aren't able to counter argue with facts and evidence.@@NaorStang

@seanconcannon7922

6 ай бұрын

When you look at the Arab countries in the Middle East ...even for just the past 20 years......do you come to the conclusion that they are peace loving nations?

Hamas foreign minister Owen Jones .

@vuiqlo

4 ай бұрын

Another dvmb Israeli supporter

Owen, if your watching this screening is used to deepen your humanity, which is so beautiful in theory and weall want thay, how wud you deal with Hamas? Any ideas?

@Richard.Allsop

6 ай бұрын

More pertinent is how Hamas would deal with him! Flying lesson off a tall building?

@isabelzvibel

5 ай бұрын

I wonder that too!

75 years of terror from IDF .....

@edsr164

7 ай бұрын

IDF is not Jack the Ripper. IDF fights for the existence of the Israeli State.

@jasonhoerner9954

7 ай бұрын

You realize Gaza was occupied by Egypt through 1967, right?

@Warhammer416

7 ай бұрын

@jasonhoerner9954 you do realize that Gaza has been carpet bombed since 2001 right?

@user-fy5yc5bv3k

7 ай бұрын

75 years occupation from terror state Israel

@jevro

6 ай бұрын

Gaza has been under Hamas' control since 2005. Please explain what you mean.

Every time I try to play devil’s advocate to challenge my perspective of the conflict from Israel’s side I end up at the same point - Nakhba + occupation. That, I cannot justify.

@Harry-Storm

7 ай бұрын

Then you're a poor debater.

@zainkazi8189

7 ай бұрын

@@Harry-Stormno something’s are simply unjustifiable

@and1146

7 ай бұрын

​@@Harry-StormHe is right.I feel the same.Maybe because I am a historian and I need to go back to understand.

@Titus9508

7 ай бұрын

You think there's a debate to be had for that?@@Harry-Storm

@Mr.Jasaw13

7 ай бұрын

100% .. that's why the only thing is that we don't forget the main point is that all this is happening cus of brutal occupation and ethnic cleansing that's been happening for decades upon decades. We cannot judge the table manners of a starving person. And there's no reason for us to believe that those isolated cases of brutal violence by the individuals of the resistance group were authorized and systemic. Those ethical considerations could only get a spotlight after the main issues are resolved, otherwise, it's just red herring.

How come you're not as skeptical towards numbers hamas releases

@slugeater1938

6 ай бұрын

Examples?

@clo1187

6 ай бұрын

He's on their side

@gogistyle19

6 ай бұрын

@@slugeater1938 all killed are civilians? No, they count fighters too

@slugeater1938

6 ай бұрын

I mean examples of owen jones taking "numbers hamas release" at face value

@gogistyle19

6 ай бұрын

Any time he mentions "X thousand children killed by israel"

Owen, did you not see the ☠️ girl in the back of truck they were spitting on and celebrating over her broken r@ped body??

@tinkerbelle2271

6 ай бұрын

😢

@fideledefer4283

6 ай бұрын

No one did ! Release the footage for serious independent reviewing, or is it another case of planted evidence, dictored or AI generated and so on that have smeared and forever tarnished the credibility of the IDF and Israeli government??

@mimiruss8444

6 ай бұрын

@@fideledefer4283 you can’t help someone who can’t see the evident. Willful ignorance is your choice.

@delegateofSwaziland

6 ай бұрын

Is this what happened in Iraq by Americans? Or was it in West Bank cuz there are so many such examples from there. Which one are you referring to?

@mimiruss8444

6 ай бұрын

@@delegateofSwaziland the Israeli woman that was in the back of the pick up in Gaza with little clothes on. Palestinian citizens were spitting on her body dancing and celebrating in the streets as Hamas returned with its r@ped and broken murdered trophy.

How much can we trust these alleged intersepts ? These videos and audio intercepts need to be expertedly analysed and why are they being released now?

@quercusalba5441

7 ай бұрын

I am extremely skeptical of the audio intercepts. A question -- if the Hamas used a victim 's phone to call a parent would a parent answer an unknown number?

@issacdragon3834

7 ай бұрын

Exactly and I doubt any parent would celebrate knowing there child is in danger.

@specialingu

7 ай бұрын

manufacture consent. thats the reason.

@aoamcmxviii

7 ай бұрын

Losing public sympathy …

@hypatiaalex

7 ай бұрын

there's literally zero reasons to trust idf or their evidence. they claimes arabic calendar to be hamas list, "found" brand new mein kampf under bombed rubbles, the israeli president claimed an arabic pamphlet to be chemical bomb recipe. they are dumb liars

The violence of Hamas is what it is. To condemn it is meaningless. Like Norman Finkelstein said, when some of the details emerged I didn’t know what to think, but like he’s said as a moral judgement it’s similar to brutality perpetrated by runaway slaves in slave revolts in the 19th century. Yes it happened and in isolation it’s awful, but it’s not of central importance historically.

@toppedtop5787

7 ай бұрын

Same with the isreali response then right?

@samara6041

7 ай бұрын

@toppedtop5787 No, because Israelis aren’t currently in the largest open air concentration camp in the world. Israelis aren’t the people that have been dispossessed and pushed from their land and homes simply because they don’t belong to the “right” religion. In this context, the Israelis are the occupiers and invaders.

@lelouchvibritannia4028

7 ай бұрын

​@@toppedtop5787Nazi Israel

@toppedtop5787

7 ай бұрын

@michellenorris8471 right but did anyone acaully think there was going to be a proportional reaction? It is what it is, who didnt see this comming.

@user-et2ng1qb2m

7 ай бұрын

​@toppedtop5787 Forget their response. How about what Israel was doing this year alone before Oct 7th? And before that?Atrocities were committed on Oct 7th, however ignoring the atrocities committed by Israel, day in and day out for decades is the root problem here.

I wouldn't want a roomful of strangers viewing my naked, raped, tortured, burned dead body😢. Just because it wasn't shown in the film is no proof that such things did not happen.

@tom2443

6 ай бұрын

Remember the captured girl, pulled from the back of a vehicle, she had bloodied pants at her crutch area - very clear sign of..

@stevilknevil107

5 ай бұрын

They’ve interviewed several survivors in Israel who witnessed r*pes perpetrated by Hamas. There is also some forensic evidence of it having occurred. This dude just doesn’t want to admit it, apparently

It sounds like they omitted some of the worst atrocities from the screening, maybe at the request of the surviving relatives, or just because it's too "beyond the pale". The insinuation behind an unspoken inference of IDF or Israeli deception or ulterior motives is nauseating in my opinion. Even what we HAVE seen of Hamas is beyond the pale and justifies their removal from power. If we did it to Hitler's regime, we can certainly do it to the Hamas regime, notwithstanding the loosening of morals and the passage of time since World War 2. Enough is enough. If there is one just war that needs to be fought in the 21st century, this is it. Ukraine isn't too far behind it in terms of atrocities, but even the Russians are ashamed enough of what they did in Ukraine to deny it. Hamas recorded it and broadcast it to the internet for all the world to see.

@itsalwaystwentyfivetosixo.3805

6 ай бұрын

did they? can you point me to the footage please?

@lammothgreen

6 ай бұрын

@@itsalwaystwentyfivetosixo.3805 Have you ben banned from social networsk? Start with X and more...

@henriettashenderey7096

6 ай бұрын

Exactly

@BBrunswick

6 ай бұрын

@@henriettashenderey7096look up Shani Louk

@Ksenseisei

6 ай бұрын

​@@itsalwaystwentyfivetosixo.3805 i literally just tried to comment 4 times in 4 different variations and my comment gets deleted again and again so unfortunately for all of us you're just gonna have to learn to use google. I know its really hard but i really really tried for your sake to put the link. It wont even let me write the google term to search.

The IDF should consider another approach other than "Trust me, bro" because it never had much credibility in the first place.

@tpynpec

6 ай бұрын

Really, why it works to hamas then? Maybe you should tutor the IDF, how to be more reliable?

Israel literally has done EVERY. SINGLE. THING. that Hamas did. But sssoooooo many times.

@modestproposal9114

7 ай бұрын

Every accusation is a confession.

@hamnaahmad3579

7 ай бұрын

Yes. All documented for years but no one cared.

Its not the worst stuff there is, the psychiatric organization in Israel publicly warned against secondary post trauma and the video was edited to be bad enough but not enough to extremely traumatize viewers...

@hajarmdn4883

6 ай бұрын

IDF soldiers literally video tape their bombing and then laugh about it and post it on TikTok. Not releasing the videos they say they supposedly have just hurts their cause. They’ve been caught in so many lies through the years and years of occupation that somehow Hamas is legit far more credible. So if they really are the most morale army, why don’t they actually show us that footage? We’ve been traumatized enough seeing all the footage coming out from Gaza, this won’t add much

I couldn't ever go to an event run by genocidal maniacs.

“You have a choice when you learn of the horrors humans are capable of inflicting against each other, you either allow these horrors to deepen your humanity, or you use those horrors to numb your humanity.” Such a powerful statement! Tweetable

@Galuppi728

6 ай бұрын

And indeed, he has allowed, no, used the horrors - of crimes Hamas perpetrated against Israeli citizens on 7 Oct - to totally numb any humanity he may have had. He's philo-anti-semitic!

@judithmackay7158

6 ай бұрын

A very powerful statement indeed, I am not on twitter but will be sharing it on Facebook.

@VaucluseVanguard

6 ай бұрын

I see in your picture you are wearing the modern equivalent of the 1930s Brown Shirt.

@spyder_33

6 ай бұрын

ham as tenians aren't "human"

@thebengaltigress7611

6 ай бұрын

​@@spyder_33IDF the babykilling psychopaths are not humans