Only in England would there be a system requiring individual bikes to be approved, instead of a representative example. What a nonsense.

@IOOoo0000ooOOI

Ай бұрын

UK Ministers are debating this now, the feasibility of doubling the motor power to 500w and making throttles legal without type approval.

@rigilchrist

Ай бұрын

@@IOOoo0000ooOOI Yes, I did respond positively to the survey. My point is that it is nonsensical (under current legislation) not to have a type approval. For the DSA to test every one of a series production is just bureaucratic nonsense, which we in the UK are really good at!

@IOOoo0000ooOOI

Ай бұрын

I agree, pointless red tape for something that would be beneficial for those with mobility issues... let's hope we get good news from this new consultaion.@@rigilchrist

@miuraketsu0818

Ай бұрын

​@@IOOoo0000ooOOII hope it won't come out a result of a new license and insurance required.

@karllattimersongs

Ай бұрын

No it’s in the Eu. It was the Eu who decided that these bikes needed type approval. Since brexit, we decided to keep the type approval requirement, however, the dft are now i consultation to change this. Given that type approval isn’t possible in the EU, these kind of bikes are still illegal over there. However, given that type approval is possible for the uk via the DVsA approval route, they are perfectly legal here :)

A loophole for mobility impaired people is so needed. For someone with early arthritis or chronic fatigue an e-bike with throttle is a lifesaver.

@bluechang08

Ай бұрын

Having a throttle E bike is the only way I would be to ride a bike with my kids, but seeing tha moutn of hassle it would be to actually get one in the UK, I don't think I'm ever going to get to go for a ride with them before theyt get too old and are leaving for University.

As you just demonstrated, no loophole is needed, because Dibble doesn't give a stuff. If you want extra security, wear a puffa jacket with a DeliverEats bag on your back, don't have any lights and ride with your mobile phone in your hand. Then you can blast your 750W Allegro electric motorcycle at 30mph on pavements without anyone blinking twice. There's no point in being legal when criminality is never sanctioned.

@shardlake

Ай бұрын

All good until someone walks into your path and gets injured, regardless of who is to blame, if you're on something illegal, it makes things difficult for you, also difficult for future changes in legislation, people love to hate cyclists!

@JamesT85Gaming

Ай бұрын

Not forgetting the two battery's duck tapped to the frame 😂

@adenwellsmith6908

Ай бұрын

Deliveroo or Drugeroo? Can you tell?

@agfagaevart

13 күн бұрын

@@shardlake Difficult only if the cyclist STOPS the person who hit me 3 years ago did not.

So many people cycling around illegally, do the police ever check? I was in Leicester during the week and the city centre is plagued with fast food delivery guys speeding around on electric bikes, very few are using pedals and no way they are restricted to 15.5 mph.

@segue2ant395

Ай бұрын

Checks are nearly impossible; a hard and fast crime is a marked motor wattage of over 250W, no pedal-assist, or a speed over 15.5mph. It's very easy to re-mark a motor as being a lower wattage than it really is, knowing if a bike truly has pedal-assist is only done by riding it (although granted, if it has no pedals - dead giveaway!), and the average bobby can't run at more than about 7mph (or 5.5mph after lunchtime). Solving the problem would be a case of overhauling public and private transport as well as pedestrianism; at the end of the day I'd rather we had the technology and used it safely than banned it and forced its users to therefore be always-unsafe. No government wants to bother with that though, so they're just kinda ignoring the issue as long as there are bigger problems to deal with.

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

Same with hot-boy motorists..

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

@@segue2ant395 it’s really no different to anyone running around in an uninsured vehicle. The chances of being stopped are probably millions to one.

@justinbogart278

Ай бұрын

wow how awful, wait til you hear about the 10s of thousands of people cars kill every year

@Kumari_44

Ай бұрын

Lets be logical here. On basic numbers alone. Do you really think police have that much manpower or time to stop THAT many riders on 1000w+ ebikes. It would be the absolute biggest waste of police resources ever! And even if they could, and they took all the powerfull bikes off the road. For as little as £600 you could just build yourself another 1000w ebike and be right back at it again. Its not even worth pursuing them. And The police know this better than anyone.

It's not a loophole. It just proves a specific ebike meets the criteria set out by the standard. There's nothing to stop anyone else putting their existing throttle ebike through an SVA test. All the information is available. Even a more powerful ebike can be put through an SVA test and ridden as a moped, scooter or motorcycle. It's all possible and could work out cheaper than buying and electric moped or scooter from the outset. People build their own cars and motorcycles, so why not?

@Kumari_44

Ай бұрын

Facts. Andy kirby has an old video on how to do exactly that.

@Fiftypellets

Ай бұрын

A Kitcar....bike...

@bigzybinc

Ай бұрын

@@Kumari_44what’s the video called? Thanks

@Kumari_44

Ай бұрын

@@bigzybinc ‘registering an ebike as a motorcycle’ & ‘road legal ebike tested’ 👍🏽

@Addiktz86

Ай бұрын

its worth mentioning though that if you get your ebike SVA certified as a moped or motorbike, then you can no longer ride it in cycle lanes... which in my opinion defeats the point of owning an ebike (there is an arguement for it being more environmentally friendly yes) as you can no longer take the shortcuts or scenic routes. You may as well just own a moped/motorbike at that point as they will go much faster and do not need to through the hassle/cost of getting certified for road use

I'm an old guy, getting rolling before I have both feet on the pedals is key, before wobbling and falling off, LOL.

@nickbrigg5203

Ай бұрын

Your can get throttle assist upto walking speed without this testing, which solves the getting going issue.

@Erafune

Ай бұрын

Regular e-bikes of the more premium mid-mounted motor kind usually has a torgue sensor that starts giving you power just by pushing down on one pedal from a standstill (with one foot still on the ground). Unlike the cheaper wheel-mounted motors which may only have a cadence sensor, aka they only gives you power after you get the cranks turning a bit.

@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665

Ай бұрын

​@@Erafune The key words premium ... they can be a lot more expensive and if you have health problems bad knees etc bad ones are no use. The other is buying a dedicated electric bike when you have one or more existing quality bikes sized to fit or already kitted out for cargo, touring or other duties you have big problems and added expenses converting.. if you have a motor in wheel kit you can swap it between same size wheel bikes and control it from a throttle ..like a MC.. you can always restrict top speed incase the car drivers stuck in traffic get too angry and try running you down or belting past you then turning across you at the next junction. There's also no way of running a pusher cargo or kiddie trailer that can otherwise be swapped between multiple bikes and do multiple jobs ..and also removed and still left behind...the most logical solution, if you want or need to leave the wt bulk or risk of a Epower system behind all you do is unhitch and unplug the trailer...and a throttle controller display unit. The Germans even offer a wireless throttle system and integrated display. But that would be too helpful and cut the manufacturers out of a third of the market...and the Premium price tags..that 60% of bicycle 🚲 users could never afford . So how about increasing the Wattage allowance ...you can still cap speed ...so larger people and busy people can get small kids to nurseries and schools and get heavy loads home using the many bikes we have already. 🙄 To stop the waste and limit the pollution of producing more bikes that often cannot be ridden really when they are flat or develope a fault.. and you cannot get replacement parts for once the manufacturers chang their model specs every two or three years. Oh yes that's what they learned from the Auto trade. 🤷🏻‍♂️🧙🏼‍♂️

I've got MS, and this could be great to get me back outdoors, where a traditional pedal bike is too much for my leg weakness.

@not_so_native_native

Ай бұрын

Thats why i hope for you (and one of my family members, who lost 1 leg) the consultation is passed changing the power limit to 500w is needed for hills if you allow throttle only, the 250w will not do any hills without pedal assitance.(ive tested it for my cousin trying to get one of these dvsa throttle approved bikes)

@chrisshelley3027

Ай бұрын

At 18 I was "diagnosed" with epilepsy and so lost my driving licence, I took to cycling and enjoyed the freedom it gave me as my diagnosis lost me my job too, I loved cycling but in 2001 I was diagnosed with something called Ménière's disease, it causes vertigo, deafness and tinnitus, most people don't have all three but I do (that's beside the point), the last time I rode a bike was 2009 (life got in the way after that) but I want to get back to cycling again and this seems like a possibility for me, I don't have epilepsy as first thought, but I would like to know more about an e-bike (for getting away without falling off at junctions etc) but the rest I am happy to peddle with the assistance when needed thanks to age getting the better of me now and not having the strength which I used to have.

@msagoo29

Ай бұрын

@@chrisshelley3027 Good luck Chris on your e-bike journey! Hopefully we can both find some success and enjoyment on these new breed of bikes. I’m currently using an indoor spin bike to build up some leg strength to prepare myself for these bikes.

@chrisshelley3027

Ай бұрын

@@msagoo29 Hi, I have my bike, I'm not looking for financial assistance especially (though a little would help) I'm wanting the laws/rules to change with regard to people like ourselves who need that small change at certain points whilst riding, such as getting away at junctions and just getting started from the curb, I'm not looking to be travelling at 40 MPH without peddling, a change in the laws to make it safe and therefore easier to get out and be as fit as possible under the circumstances, sadly it seems to be too much to ask currently, but we'll see hopefully.

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

If you already have a blue badge status you should be able to get a mobility allowance that would pay for one of these..

Wisper eBikes already do this with their Full Throttle option. They get every eBike individually type approved with the DVLA so you can use the throttle up to 15.5 mph without pedalling. It costs about £300 extra.

@robcole5805

Ай бұрын

Yep. Was literally just thinking this myself.

@MrSGL21

Ай бұрын

🤣

@harrison00xXx

Ай бұрын

In austria there are no extra cost for anything as long its limited to 25 km/h. Also, since our police is more realistic, they dont even care about fast e-bikes or scooters as long we are driving normally. Because of that, i can enjoy a "powerful" (1000W, 2000W peak) scooter which goes up to 45 km/h and its even cheap (600€ new), unlike the "strong" legal scooters which are mostly super expensive.

@Silverbeardedsurfer

Ай бұрын

Yeah it's a moped.

@nellyboot

Ай бұрын

Thanks for that. This video is just too long and I didn't make it to the big reveal.

The best part about a throttle on these little ebikes is that at a complete stop at an intersection is that it gets you OUT of the way of cars at the intersection. The cars are not waiting for the rider getting frustrated waiting for "that damn bike", We zip into the bike lane in better control, out of the way, no wobble. You know how rider and bikes wobble at the start? Which aggravates the car driver... I bet you do a study proving that the throttle, going up to 15-18mph in a smooth fashion may actually change the law? Its safer for sure. Cheers.

@AndyPandy33

Ай бұрын

As long as cyclist follows the highway code, which as we know, majority does not. We already have illegal vehicles on the road, so this is not a game changer (at least in London) police doesn't do anything about anything anymore, except car drivers as they are easiest target...and perhaps social media police.

@smeghead666

Ай бұрын

@@AndyPandy33 The highway code that says Cyclists have priority over cars? Which as we know, you probably don't.

@AndyPandy33

Ай бұрын

@@smeghead666 You missed the point I was making and are projecting now. I drive for a living and could have a debate with a willing people, you are not willing to have a debate though, you just want to project. Good riddance.

@saxon-mt5by

Ай бұрын

You mean the same code that says cyclists do NOT have priority over pedestrians?@@smeghead666

@mindedchaos

Ай бұрын

@@AndyPandy33 i ride on the pavements so i dont get run over by divvy road users

Got my Cruiza last week, it's great for commuting, the throttle comes into it's own after a long day at work, i was lucky and mark had my bike already approved, only took a few days to arrive in scotland. great bikes, great company.

@HunkumSpunkum

Ай бұрын

Get off the public roads-you are a menace to pedestrians, 'normal' cyclists and motorists....

@IOOoo0000ooOOI

Ай бұрын

@@HunkumSpunkum rude

@Toots8888

Ай бұрын

@@HunkumSpunkum you might be talking of the fast food delivery ebikers… otherwise sweeping spammy spunky clap trap 🤪

@miuraketsu0818

Ай бұрын

​@@HunkumSpunkumBack off you arrogant person.

@pedibal

Ай бұрын

Great to hear you share your personal experience more so that it performs to your expectations

This could help me so much with my mobility issues, i appreciate u going into detail in that area

With no seat height adjustment, it needs to be throttle controlled. It would like pedalling a bmx bike only 5 times heavier if the battery ran out. But its a pretty cool looking piece of transport.

@pedibal

Ай бұрын

Valid point, as you alluded to this style of Cruisa frame and design provides a more relaxed ride, and the ride position certainly differs to that of a standard road cycle so the optimum riding experience is compromised, although can be ridden unassisted via the standard gears, certainly benefits from a good battery performance for an effortless ride

The issue with this is, the government is currently considering the legality of using the throttle for use above the 3.7mph ish max speed and raising the speed limit above the current 15.5mph but if they are going to make money from individuals or company applying for the legality of these then they won’t change anything.

*Heard companies doin this per individual ebike,* well done to them! ⚡️👏🏽👏🏽👌🏽👌🏽⚡️ Good-lookin ebikes too!

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

Yes he didn’t say the cost of certification but I guess it’s similar to an MOT?

Forget these, just look into the Lankeleisi MG740 Plus, it's 2000 Watt, 48 Volt, 20 Amp and actually is a bike. Thank me later

Jumping through so many hoops and at all times increasing the cost of the bike while more money goes to the DVSA. Such a messed up system we have here in the UK. Remember the electric scooter trial that they are still dragging out?

As a uk motorcyclist we call it a twist grip as opposed to the thumb throttle, I own 20 motorcycles one of which is the electric victory empulse TT. Keep safe, 2 wheels = freedom😊

I prefer e-bikes that are more alike traditional bikes in terms of design and geometry. Those more motorcycle alike e-bike invites you to throttle. Would be nice to see some e-bike with thumb throttle as the ones we get with quadricycles, in a ebike with a invinting geometry to pedal.

All E-bikes, that were made before 1st Jan. 2016. that has a throttle control, are legal. I used to own a 2015 Oxygen Hybrid E-Bike, with the l throttle. The engine cut out at 15.5mph. 😊

@Maynards_so_blue

10 күн бұрын

You can easily unlock the speed to its full 24mph which i highly recommend. You need that extra speed for hills

@ojbeez5260

Күн бұрын

True, great point.

Mine goes 33 mph. Police have seen me loads over the last 2 years and no problems. I got stopped on my electric skateboard but that was advice about visibility for car drivers to see me. The bikes great only 900!

@Maynards_so_blue

10 күн бұрын

Which one goes over 30? Mine goes to 24 max

Hi, This is great news for me, I'm in my 70's and basically my lungs a re knackered and I can't walk very far, so riding a bike is out of the question. I fly a drone and live in Cumbria and have been looking for this type of bike, which must fold so I can get it in the boot of my car to get to some out of the way places up some tracks. As I said there is no way I would attempt to try and walk up even a slight incline and some of the places are about 3/4 mile to where I would fly my drone. Would the folding version do the job, the max distance would be about 1 1/2 miles round trip and could I do it without having to pedal at all. Thanks.

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

Definitely worth shooting Pedibal an email to talk about options. The Navigata (folding bike) will have enough range, but you need to talk to them about the degree of inclines and also how much you weigh as both will impact the pushing power of the motor.

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

Yes very true but have you also seen those little monkey bikes that fit into a car boot? A lot of hire-car delivery people use them to return to base when dropping off a hire car to a customer..

@stevenbissett

26 күн бұрын

Your lungs are knackered David because of all the ciggys you've smoked over the years.

Iv been using my Iretta 2 here in Finland for around 2 years now and its basically the same bike with only no throttle, and i enjoy using it even if im 183 cm tall.

Love your energy and nice video editing/script ❤

My MiRider GB3 has a throttle, and as long as you’re moving your legs in a pedalling motion, it will push you along at 15.5mph

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

That's right! If you're pedalling you can go up to 15.5mph with the throttle - a handy addition to zip away at the traffic lights

@hasan_z

Ай бұрын

seems pointless, you can hit 15.5mph with pedalling any ebike, therefore the throttle is just for the sake of it if it doesnt work independently

@0utcastAussie

Ай бұрын

Mines about 10 years old which was before they released the "no throttle" rule. It's still pedelec but you can use it as throttle only. Shame the thing is now falling apart !

This looks great just what I was looking for, need a bike to commute to work but has been so hard finding a fun cruiser at a decent price without going into high end mountain bike territory.

@pedibal

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback and encouraging words 👍

My MiRider with 250w motor and throttle requires no effort but pedals do need to turn for throttle to work up to 15.5mph. Great mode of transport 👍

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

It's a really handy feature for getting away quickly at the traffic lights!

@SirLordCustardthe10th

Ай бұрын

Sound similar to the e skoota

@GaryNewsom1

Ай бұрын

I love seeing your bike on your videos. Orange baby!

My electric bike has a twist throttle and was built in the 80s would you believe. It was a prototype designed for towing stuff round an airport. It's got modern batteries and can go about 15 mph.

If you convert an existing bike or build your own from parts then you can have a throttle legally, because the law only refers to bikes that are manufactured for sale not DIY or conversions.

Does it comewith proper road tyres? Knobbly tyres are designed for mud off road and very slippery on a wet road.

fair play to the company going through the whole registration process. Hope it doesn't bankrupt the business and the e bikes don't increase in price

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

They're a good bunch!

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

To be fair I think the inspection/ certification process does levy a small charge ..

@SirLordCustardthe10th

Ай бұрын

@philtucker1224 there is a charge £45 for first inspection then £15 for a reinspection after if unsuccessful

@super73uk

Ай бұрын

@@SirLordCustardthe10th Pedibal then add £100 to that £45 so total they are charging for bike with certificate is £145 more than their bike without a certificate.

General requirements - EAPC classification The EAPC regulations[footnote 1] as amended[footnote 2] set out the requirements that EAPCs must satisfy if they are not to be treated as motor vehicles when used on roads in GB - i.e. do not need to be licensed and registered etc. The requirements are the: cycle must be fitted with pedals that are capable of propelling it. maximum continuous rated power of the electric motor must not exceed 250 Watts. electrical assistance must cut-off when the vehicle reaches 15.5 mph (Note: the previous limit on motor power for bicycles and the restrictions on weight, and the number of wheels an EAPC may have, were removed on 6 April 2015). An EAPC which complies with the above is not considered to be a motor vehicle within the meaning of the ‘Road traffic regulation act 1984’ and the ‘Road traffic act 1988’. As a result, it is not required to be registered or subject to vehicle excise duty (road tax), and does not have to be insured as a motor vehicle. However, EAPCs must not be ridden by anyone under the age of 14 years[footnote 3]. Power assistance - “Twist and Go” Because of the particular benefits for elderly and disabled users, pedal cycles providing electrical assistance without use of the pedals - usually called “Twist and Goes” - are included in the above GB classification provided they are capable of pedal operation and comply with the above restrictions on maximum motor power and assistance cut-off speed. However, under European law[footnote 4] new “Twist and Go” vehicles will, from January 2016, have to meet a range of technical requirements before they can be used on roads. This will normally be established by “type approval” at the manufacturing stage but importers and individuals will be able to seek an individual approval for vehicles that have not been type approved.

@Neilukuk

Ай бұрын

So what's all the secret info about that they can not tell us about?

@ellivisionbytheartistandre6467

Ай бұрын

All true read same on Government website

@dcd231

Ай бұрын

twist and go cannot exceed 3.4mph

@TCBOT

Ай бұрын

nope not if made before 2016@@dcd231

@dcd231

Ай бұрын

@@TCBOT actually yes its called grandfather rights already been stopped by police and proved them wrong too

As somebody with many different injuries, over time everything gets harder, my e-bike is a life saver for me to get about.

Question is, if you get a EAPC certified electric cycle and then after purchase make any changes to it - would it then need to be re-certified?

@Itsabrownenvolopecountry

Ай бұрын

I would say yes as it’s no longer Eapc tested if it been modified. I suppose it all depends if you seriously injure someone in an accident or not.

Is the battery Hailong 1/2 type?

Amazing! Very interesting to see a twist n go now legal! This puts me in a position to now look at them! As a 6’ 2” large build oldish guy (56) would it take my weight and not suffer? Or is there a weight & height limit on these bikes? I say weight I’m around 19st but don’t look it, if that makes sense? Oh I also now subscribe thank you for the info and interesting video 👏

Having no seat height adjustment would be a big no for me as I like to pedal and put effort in.

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

Well that's okay not every bike is for everyone! Their folding bike also comes with an additional throttle if you prefer

@ScrapKing73

Ай бұрын

@@ElectroheadsI agree with you, but it does make a cruiser an odd choice when you only have two models, IMO. *shrug*

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

No you’re not supposed to. You’d be better- off fitting a front “power assist” pack to your existing bike if you still want to exercise/pedal your bike..

@ScrapKing73

7 күн бұрын

@@philtucker1224 Why would you be better off doing that? Electric conversions void bike warranties, for one. It would have poor weight distribution compared to a purpose-built mid-drive e-bike for another. They're more prone to failure, since the bike isn't engineered for the extra weight and other stresses for a third. What advantage are you pointing to?

@philtucker1224

6 күн бұрын

@@ScrapKing73 all of those reasons you have stated are very minor and relatively unimportant. The advantage of adding the ( very popular) power assist packs are that they are far cheaper than a whole new bike purchase and allow you to keep your favourite regularly used bike.

Looks handy , but how long is that battery going to last range wise without pedalling , you can guarantee that oldies and people that just want to get from point A To point B without effort will use it that way. And I’m not being disparaging about that , just saying some people will use it that way. The pedal position is a fail imo , or is it the non adjustable seat ? Either way that would play havoc on the old knees.

@rogerborg

Ай бұрын

You'll be lucky to get 10 miles out of it, less with any hills, and you'll be crawling up them.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe

13 күн бұрын

It wouldn't go up hills without pedalling, my bike shows 1600w on the screen under full throttle and it drops to 12mph on some of the hills around me. Mind you they are absolutely stupid hills that nobody on a normal bike can cycle faster than 3mph up.​@@rogerborg

I got 2 fat tire folding ebikes in the USA & took the chainring & chain off. Disconnected the cadence sensor & put a crank arm with both pedal hanging down as foot pegs swinging free. Just use thumb throttles & the cops could care less.

@manolisgledsodakis873

Ай бұрын

I think you mean "could NOT care less".

@michaelprobert4014

Ай бұрын

@@manolisgledsodakis873 Yes, that makes it sound like they are a little bit interested.

Thanks to your channel I just ordered the Pedibal Navigata® Folding Electric Bike with throttle!!!!!!

Whisper ebikes have effectively done this for years. Pay an extra £100 and they get your new (Whisper) ebike certified, full throttle allowed (up to 15.5mph). On other bikes full throttles are allowed so long as they work through the pedal assist system. Instant power upto 6kmh then if you are turning the pedals full power to 15.4mph. Rad power on their 250w bikes use this system, but not now easily available. Woosh ebikes have produced some bikes like this also. Don't know why they are not much more common.

Nice to see you relax mate. All the best to you and family 👍🖖⭐

Hi I've got a engwe ep2 if i keep throttle off and keep it at 15.5 is that ok for uk law

Actually, type approved means that they only need to see one bike and then any other identical bikes will then automatically type approved under the same make and model. I use to do this with kit cars and its the same process for car manufacturers

@mattwardman

Ай бұрын

Nope. It's like kit cars.

A moped has always been legal up to 50cc on a provisional license right?

If this is under L1e, do you need to wear a motorbike helmet and not a bicycle helmet ?

I ride my ebike for exercise. PAS is for assistance when needed which could be a strong head wind as well as a couple of road bridges.

Pre-2016 ebikes could have a throttle all the way up to 15.5 mph when the law changed under "granddad rules" you could still legally ride one as it was bought before the law changed, how do I know as I have got one and still riding it today

under the old uk ebike regs all ebikes had a trottle and trikes c5 any one but had max motor power of 200w not 250w and these where extreamly slow most ran off lead acid batterys tga made one it ran of 2 17ah /pre 1994 15ah 12v batterys for 24v 200w 3 speed hub twist and go 200w motor by EMD (ALSO USED TO OPEN ROLLER SHUTTER DOORS ) LOL

@harrison00xXx

Ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with lead acid as long its in the right vehicle. I met today a man driving a 45 km/h electric "Tuctuc". We talked about it a bit and it turned out he got it 50% off from a store BRAND NEW, instead of 3000€ "just" 1500€ because it got somehow (its new!?) a dent in the loading space. 1500€, this thing goes with 60V (5x 12V) Lead Acid batteries over 40 km, drive in fast gear 40-45 and in slow gear 20 km/h and EVERY HILL UP. The loading area has even seats to pull out and he transported 2 grandchildren and some toys. I would prefer Lead Acid at any heavier/bigger vehicle such as a basic TucTuc, but sadly on our scooters and bikes if we need moderate range we need some better batteries, namely Lithium Ion.

@TCBOT

Ай бұрын

yea but on a ebike 3x12v 12ah isnt light you get the work out wheeling it out the gate thing im thinking of was called a powerbike single speed very short crank arms 200w brushed motor center pull brakes on steel chrome wheels it was aimed at older ppl but man it was a tank and a grade 6 hill was impossable lol but on a gokart say 1800w my1020 motor 5 of the same battery works well @@harrison00xXx

@harrison00xXx

Ай бұрын

@@TCBOT ohh, brushed motor, that hurts :D Yeah definitely a very basic senior device when it comes to performance. I personally dont even use regular Li Ion cells, i plan in the future a „safe“ LiFePo battery on my long range scooter filling the entire space and right now im on a much smaller DIY made LiPo pouch cell pack out of chinese (Turnigy, good brand) performance RC packs.

@TCBOT

Ай бұрын

yep rc car lipos are fab in uk the price is 3x what is was afew years ago about 7 years ago i use the maulti star 6s 8ah lipos to run a 12kw stealth bomber bike had one huge crash (bike was nicked batterys crunched no fire impressive i road it back standing on swing arm was chasing the guy who nicked it in a volvo v70r didnt want to risk putting it in the car was 3 miles away rebuilt it with another frame same batterys after lots of hard use there more or less eol this year after 7 years hard use got some a123 cells built a few packs with this year @@harrison00xXx

Perfect video, perfect presenter. Subbed. Also, now missing London.

Is an electric bike with a throttle and top speed of 40kph (25mph) legal to ride if the rider has a full Motorcycle licence, a legal helmet and insurance?

Hi. Can I get a dvsa certificate for any ebike with a throttle. Is so how do I go about getting one please? Thanks. Wayne

the motor is a bafang go60/62, these are rated at peaks of 750w/1kw, so dvla will type approve any bike as long as it has a speed limiter.

@pedibal

Ай бұрын

The Bafang on this model is GO60 250D motor rated at 48v 250w 80Nm which not only is UK compliant but offers a good performance😀

@thelastdruidofscotland

Ай бұрын

@@pedibal you aint getting 80nm from just 250w mate, the motor peaks at 750w.

Batribike have been doing this for years with a triger throttle not with a twist throttle as stated in legal jargon, small movement of the pedals & pres the throttle the motor kicks in.

If the assisted speed limit is up to 15 or so MPH then throttle assistance to 15 MPH shouldn't be an issue. Great video.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe

13 күн бұрын

Yes I don't see what difference it makes if somebody's legs are going around or not.

Can they do this with any bike or just ones they manufacture?

@vesavius

Ай бұрын

Just do it yourself... Get a list of requirements from the website and bring the bike up to spec. Easy.

@evertonshorts9376

Ай бұрын

@@vesavius I could, but then I still wouldn't know whether they can do it with any bike or just their own.

I need this. Like the white folding one which I want to see your video on. I have COPD so I am particularly interested in having one of these. With, a spare battery to get me out of trouble if I need a bit of extra distance and with a rear rack bag and twin panier bags. Possibly a front rack and bag.

This is exactly the sort of ebike I've been looking for. Since I was 27 (35 years ago), I've had a left leg full of metal and as I've got older, its got harder to bend my knee far enough to pedal. And about 6 years ago I sold my last road bike, as it was impractical for me to pedal any more. We badly need a change in the law to allow those of us with disability to be able to use throttle ebikes. Personally I'd like a cargo bike like the Urban Arrow, but with just a throttle. I also think the 18mph limit for assist is set too low to be safe. It needs to be at least 30mph to keep up with urban traffic. I regularly managed average speeds over 30, when I was fit. And a lot faster than that when downhill gradients and fearless youth were involved! So 30mph seems perfectly reasonable to me. If that means insurance etc then I'm fine with that too. Even a safety test like that for the likes of the Citroen Ami in France for 14 year olds.

I’m confused as I have a certificate stating that my my 750 watt throttled whisper bike is Road legal for 15 mph so why is this the first ?

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

No it’s not (unless you have undergone the same inspection and certification process and been awarded a DVLC vin number) - as described in the video. Speed must also be strictly limited to 15.5 mph evidently (even though your is three times more powerful than that?) what are your thoughts?🤔

@mattwardman

Ай бұрын

It isn't the first. Wisper have been doing them for a long time. It's a click-bait video. Yours sounds like it is not a low power moped at >250W, so you need insurance, registration etc. When our Govt gets off their useless butts and start regulating properly, it could one for confiscate + crush if used illegally.

Does it deal with potholes?

I wonder if you can get the Fiido Q1 or Q2 with the paperwork? It's got a throttle, speed of an e-bike... but *cheeky grin* no peddles for the pretend game of "no I'm really exercising"

I have one it's great at a red stoplight and you don't have to change gears anymore.

Super interesting video! Finally, twist and go is starting to arrive!!

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

Hurrah!

I haven't got a throttle on my ebike and I don't want one, what I do want is enough power to get up the hills and where I live even 750w bikes struggle

@Kumari_44

Ай бұрын

750w stock should be more than enough for someone who isnt overweight. But if so, then its an easy fix. just upgrade the controller and battery voltage for more power & torque. A 48v or 52v battery on a dual volt controller that supports both voltages should see your problem solved. Easy peasy.

@verbantermainia1937

Ай бұрын

@@Kumari_44 Thanks 😉

Great video, Eilis, good to see the huge smile on your lovely face. The idea of the loophole is brilliant, but the chafing frame thing is weird, not for everyone. This is better than an escooter, it makes people want to get about responsibly without a car. No worries about the police though, they are far too busy sorting out Twitter spats to do look out for people committing crimes! Well done.

The fact that the builder has to certify every single one separately really tells you how silly the ebike law is! Even in Belgium they have throttle and up to 1000 Watt (that's Bafang H550, for example) exempted upon type-approval. Simply because Belgium was the wisest EU country and essentially merged L1e-A vehicles with official EAPCs (as long as the top speed is 25 kph).

@nickwinn7812

Ай бұрын

Yes, but for many years Belgium has had a class of low speed mopeds (brommerfiets) so it was easy for them to fit EAPCs into their existing legal framework as brommerfiets.

@maciejpsyk

Ай бұрын

@@nickwinn7812 Not exactly, because bromfiets correspond to L1e-B class, same as everywhere else for decades. It was in 2013 that the EU law 168/2013 had created L1e-A and L1e-B classes. And Belgium was smart enough to merge L1e-A with ebikes (EAPCs exemped from the law) for practical purposes (no mandatory insurance and helmet, no licence plate and free to ride wherever ebikes can go). It's not to say that this is an ideal situation by itself - merely more managable. The goal is to exclude L1e-A class from the type-approval regime, not having the bikes homologated under that regime... so they can be excluded.

can you ride it on a cycle track if its been approved for road?

@michaelprobert4014

Ай бұрын

Yes, it's an EPAC. You can go where a regular bike can go.

I don't understand this as clearly states in the ebike law the throttle MUST Cut-out at 3.6mph and its only for use with older folk and people who have difficulty in pushing the crank round to 4mph to kick in the motor on take off! I myself have just applied for such approval! Having a disability with my leg so i need to apply for permission to add the throttle and must cut out at 3.6mph then i can pedel and kick the motor in at 4mph! I would have this double checked it just sounds like it's been a mix up! According to the law anyway it's still illegal

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

Watch from 12:50 😄

@travellingjournalist966

Ай бұрын

I have to disagree with you with those tyres try cycling along a muddy tow path they do slide around

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

I think you might be confusing them with mobility scooters ( that are designed mainly for use on pathways?)..

That 250 watt motor has not got the torque needed imo. They already know that heavy bikes and heavy riders need at least 60nm to go up hills no pedalling so are debating this issue. If you live on a hill then wait for/buy the 500w motor.

@johnnyfearlesszrx

Ай бұрын

If you use a hub motor, you are right about steeper inclines being an issue. Get a an ebike with a crank motor for hill climbing.

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

True but as with your old pedal bike you would need to just get off and push it to the top of the hill. If like me you are past that then you’d need to get a proper E-bike but then it has to be registered and insured etc.

@Kumari_44

Ай бұрын

Easy fix so long as long as a person isnt too overweigh. 1. Keep the 250w motor for legality. 2. Get a controller that supports a 48v/52v battery. 3. Get a 48v or 52v battery. The bike should go from 15mph to around 27mph with the 48v battery. And up to around 30mph with the 52v battery. You will finally be safe in traffic! Instead of always being in potential danger.

@super73uk

Ай бұрын

@@johnnyfearlesszrx is that like a mid drive motor?

@super73uk

Ай бұрын

We agree with you. If the motor is only 250w at 48v on this bike then we are surprised if it's really 80Nm like they have stated?

Take my money!! Awesome video as always guys :D

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

YEEEES! Big love 🙏

That's a good start, hopefully there will be more type approved ebike to be sold in the UK. Or even, better, to allow a full speed throttle to be classified as EPAC. I see there is a red button near the throttle, is that a kill switch? If it is, good safety design... Hopefully there will be an hydraulic brake (with power cutoff) version of that ebike...

@IOOoo0000ooOOI

Ай бұрын

Red button toggles the throttle on and off, safety feature.

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

Yes you got it! A nice safety feature that can kill the throttle if needed.

That Pedibal E-Cruiza is majorly cool! Not as cool as the NewGen (RIP) but still, it would probably carry me, which is a bonus! Now if Pedibal wanted to be even cooler, a Metallic Orange frame ... The Navigator is the one that makes most sense for a commuter ... at 19 kg ... and it looks very elegant in white!

@HunkumSpunkum

Ай бұрын

Get your nasty electric contraption off our roads!

@Alessandro---

Ай бұрын

@@HunkumSpunkum get your nastiness off our conversation.

@TheWelshman50

Ай бұрын

​@@HunkumSpunkumidiot troll 😅😅😅

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

@@Alessandro--- Metallic orange would look SO good

They used to sell things similar to this in catalogues. They had 50cc engines and a shopping basket, for £499.

Its still 250 watt motor so its ideal as a peddle assist, having a hand throttle means the battery will have reduced range also peddles will still be needed for hills . As a senior I prefer peddle assist for health benefits, using a hand throttle the humble bike becomes a moped .

11:29 - They're the "knobblies" on knobbly tyres. Same as the term used in motocross.

I think a name change is in order. If someone asks you what make it is and you shout back pedibal, it sounds a bit odd.

wisper ebikes have had a throttle uk legal to there bikes for a couple of years now and fully type aproved buy the dvsa, my 11 year old haibike does 40mph on the flat

@ellivisionbytheartistandre6467

Ай бұрын

Sheffield?

@gerry4585

Ай бұрын

And this is why we have these laws????

I've had my electric bike for about 7 years now and I have a twist grip throttle. this has never been a problem for me.

@michaelprobert4014

Ай бұрын

That doesn't make it legal though. Some people are driving around in their cars without passing a test and it's never been a problem for them .

Great video, can Mark Price Legalise any e-bike or does he just do his own?

So what makes it an electric bicycle and what makes something else an electric motorbike and how do you differentiate? You could go by looks but that's just aesthetics and wouldn't stop someone putting more power on an electric bicycle right? If it's speed or horsepower, where is tge breaking point between the two and who determines that? Does this mean that they could end up saying you need to have road tax if using an electric bicycle?

@robertstallard7836

Ай бұрын

It all comes under The Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles Regulations 1983: EAPCs are vehicles that are essentially cycles with two or more wheels and the following definitions: cycle must be fitted with pedals that are capable of propelling it. continuous rated power of the electric motor must not exceed 250 W. electrical assistance must cut off when the cycle reaches 15.5 mph or 25 km/h. If a bike meets the EAPC requirements it’s classed as a normal pedal bike. This means you can ride it on cycle paths and anywhere else pedal bikes are allowed. If a bike does not does not meet the EAPC rules is classed as a motorcycle or moped and needs to be registered and taxed. You’ll need a driving licence to ride one and you must wear a crash helmet.

@08wolfeyes

Ай бұрын

@robertstallard7836 Firstly, thank you for the information and understanding on the subject. It's interesting to see where the differences are classified in terms of speed, power and having peddles. I used to run a company where we had bicycles that fold up so you can carry and transport them around with ease and we even played around with turning it into an electric bicycle.

The same throttle laws apply for ebikes in Australia, you are allowed a throttle,but limited to 6ks an hour.

Can you do a video review of the Pedibal Navigata?

loads of high power throttle e bikes with big motors and extra batteries can be found at fast food places, they do far more than 15 mph

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

Yes but if over 250 watts they are classed as electric motorcycles (which are a completely different classification etc..)

@IBIZABIKE

Ай бұрын

@@philtucker1224 flouted by fast food deliveries ,and a.blind eye turned by police

@Kumari_44

Ай бұрын

And police will never have the time or man power to do anything about it. Even if they did. 15mph on roads that have a minimum of 20mph (which most drivers often go faster than) isnt safe. Im not saying ebikes should be out here flying at 40mph. But 15mph is a death sentence when riding in traffic. Thats why most ebike riders either build more powerfull ebikes, or overvolt their 250w motors so that they can hit closer to 30mph and actually be safe on the road.

@IBIZABIKE

Ай бұрын

@@Kumari_44 they have plenty of time.for people taking photos of buildings and factories or Christian preachers

@sneekz07

Ай бұрын

Who cares. 15mph on the road with cars is not safe.

The thing I really struggle getting an answer to is will it fit in an estate car? A van yes, but estate cars have smaller silly doors. This is where I get to use the word aperture in its traditional sense. I struggle to get even a normal bike through the aperture to gain access to my estate cars copious interior space. It's okay for a shopping bag but not a big stretchy bike. I need dimensions to get through the "access hole" (That's why someone invented the word aperture} because if you put this in your car at home and then take it to Private land, even council owned private land, somewhere you walk your dog type of private land, you could get a 1000 watt one and the police couldn't touch you as long as it goes back in your car to take it home and never sees the public road. So will it fit in an Audi A4? Or do I need to buy a van in order to buy a bike that is road illegal but legal to rag about in open countryside? At this rate I need to buy a van in order to get a powerful bike and also move to Scotland for the fun rough stuff free of coppers. And I'd probably get arrested for a hate crime somehow if I did that.

A technical comment about the video. The video quality would be better if it was edited at the same frame rate as the original from the camera. Very good audio quality for a radio mic you wear, better than most on KZread.

Eilish, you must review the Volt Lite when it comes out this summer. 75 Nm of torque and a Bafang motor!

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

Ooh I'll keep an eye out!

@Crosshatch1212

Ай бұрын

They do the tekro e350 that’s 80nm

Can you use them when drunk

What’s your daily E-bike Eilis?

Thats great but what about the ridiculous Tax on imported ebikes 6% Third country Duty plus 17.2% Countervailing duty plus 62.1% Anti dumping duty plus tax on tax of 20% vat. A grand total of 122.4% tax on top of the cost of the bike and the cost of shipping. All to protect a non existent Uk Ebike manufacturing sector.

You should di a video series in getting an ebike tyoe approved as a moped. There are a few videos online from the likes of andy kirby who did it a few years ago. Insurance is possible and a cbt is pretty easy to get so the video series could be quite in depth.

How many E bike riders with standard pedelecs that have fitted a thumb throttle travelling at below 20MPH have actually been stopped by Police ?

I do always wonder though why they cost so much more to buy than a small moped?

So, are all of these e-bike models road legal in the U.K. at 28mph because it has a throttle to get round loopholes to legalise it for use? If so, it sounds great and a lot cheaper then buying more expensive e-bikes that cost a lot to maintain.

You curently can use a throttle upto 4mph. How will the police know that yours going above 4mph is legal whilst others are not? I doubt they even know the law, never mind the exceptions. I got pulled over on a road legal class C mobility scooter after doing a right turn, they thought i had to stick to the left at all times.

@philtucker1224

Ай бұрын

Hi Demi actually I was also under the impression that mobility scooters can only cross via a pedestrian crossing point (but are you saying that’s not the case?)

I think a manufacturer can apply for type approval in any country if they so desire but it probably relies on much higher numbers, crash testing, DVLC approval, classification, registration, vehicle taxation class, insurance company approval, (yawn)….

Can it be derestricted?

Love it! I really wish they would get realistic with the standards. Too many are virtually forced to game their bikes to throttle, and then they don't think twice about gaming them to go too fast. Actually riding car speed on city streets is much safer than having vehicles fly by, but a bike not build to spec hitting a pothole at speed spells a massive increase in the chance of disaster. It's also obvious that those with disabilities or other issue need throttle assist more than 4mph. Can't wait to see the folder version.

something that I would still be concerned about is even if it is type approved, the display on these bikes show the wattage, and from the video it definitely peaks higher than 250w, in the unlikely event that they wanted to test the bike out they would easily see that it has a higher maximum output, maybe it would of been better if these didn't show the wattage

@IanDarley

Ай бұрын

I believe that the law relates to 'continuous' maximum power, so a short spike to get you moving is okay.

@AddiGamer

Ай бұрын

@@IanDarley that’s the thing about uk ebike laws that are so vague, at the moment it states ‘maximum power output’ but it really needs to be updated to continuous otherwise some plod might do you for just reading the wattage on the bike

@bonzobanana1

Ай бұрын

Lots of shop bought mid-drive ebikes are delivering almost 900W going up hills. This 250W rating is purely whether the motor will run at 250W not its limit. I know it sounds stupid writing that but that is the state of the EU certification. I think it was just made overly complicated to give European manufacturers an advantage. Cyrusher now does 250W stickered ebikes with hub motors of 750W. It's unbelievable awful certification from the EU that makes no sense. Madness to rate the wattage of the motor itself when it is the controller that dictates how much power the motor is given. The controller should have the rating not the motor. A direct drive hub motor can operate at 200W to about 3000W (the very same motor). You can label it 250W, 500W, 1000W, 2000W and 3000W its just ridiculous. 250W is only 7A at 36V or 5A at 48V but a Bosch controller is somewhere around 22-25A inside the motor assembly on its most powerful so called 250W motors.

@IanDarley

Ай бұрын

@@bonzobanana1 I agree it's like saying that a 75hp engine in a car could make 150hp if you fit a turbo. You can overdrive or under drive an electric motor, it's all about how much power push through it.

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

All 250w motors output more wattage. The word is 'nominal'. The motor is designed to survive running at 250W all day long, but you can put a lot of power temporarily through a motor to deliver better acceleration. As long as it's generally running at around 250w then it's fine

You need to get over the the USA and ride some of the bikes here, even my Class 2 that many think is insipid is more powerful that that one, and does 20mph on the throttle.

@Electroheads

Ай бұрын

Ugh yes PLEASE 🤤

whens the 30mph version coming out ?

One of my biggest transpo fears is for things here in Canada to take the lead from the UK on PEV restrictions. We're a young country with cities build on roads, not vice/versa, so I'm hoping we don't end up under such insane regulation. Before I sound like a free-dumb maga-cultist, I'm prone to giving people online pep talks on how poorly their scooter/ebike skills are regarding pedestrians & cyclists. My scooter, a 2023 Apollo Phantom, is not even remotely one of the faster scooters on the roads here in North America - but 2400w total, it's barely enough to get me around my city. I've had it going 71km/h, but rarely go that fast due to its small 10" tires & some pretty rough roads. That said, though I can use it on a sidewalk, if there are pedestrians there, I get off the thing & walk. If I'm about to pass by a bicyclist, I try to minimize the difference in speed. The two big factors pushing us toward suffocating legislation here are irresponsible riding (don't fly past pedestrians with kids/prams/dogs going 65km/h), the list of dangerous behavior is bottomless. The other factor is, battery fires. Battery fires are VERY hard to extinguish, and batteries can actually explode. It can be caused by water, too, you don't have to put them in a small closet full of turpentine. There's a UL Certification for batteries but not all scooters have this certification. That's one thing that should be enforced, since it could kill the entire industry. People with e-bikes find a replacement battery that was made by some teenager in Hong Kong for $12, and suddenly you've got yourself an apartment building with an apartment-sized hole in it. If we let insurance companies determine what should be legal or not, of course, everything with a battery is on the chopping block. Mine's UL certified but i also have a CO2 fire extinguisher & a fire blanket. And of course, insurance. We can't begrudge the industry for not taking a cost-effective hammer-down approach, but the UK has taken legislation against PEV's to the extreme. Canada is not the UK, I understand there is not comparison among the realities of PEV use, but if you have an empty bike lane in the UK with traffic going ~80km/h, what's wrong with a scooter or e-bike going 60km/h? I'm in my 50s & for the first time since I was a teenager, I'm enjoying my commute. I actually like going on errands now. I don't own a bicycle nor do I want one. Scooters are banned on some gov't trails (though an e-bike going 80km/h is totally fine because it has pedals), but I try to ride by example. I stop at 4 way stops unlike most scooterists, I use my scooter's signal lights & will join traffic in turn lanes but my scooter's faster than most cars in traffic, so I'm not slowing anyone down. Turn is over, I'm back on the side in the bicycle lane. Only enough space for one bike? I wait. Pedestrians in a crosswalk? I wait. If I have to jump up onto a sidewalk & pedestrians are approaching, I get off the thing & walk it past them. If I encounter people walking on a trail, I slow down to a crawl, say excuse me, then slowly ease past them. I don't deserve a cookie for this, but the percentage of people who follow these rules has to be < 5%.