"I was losing anyway."

@DooMWhite

4 жыл бұрын

LMFAO.

6:26 The way he drops the pawn...! Yeah, now I get what you meant about "looking cool when moving a piece"... even though it was an illegal move, that was amazing :o

That "Aaah!" is by Ryoko Chiba, a women profesional player. I once played shogi against her by a 2-piece handicap, and I lost...(^^;)

I think I mentioned at around 4:00 that you can drop a pawn on the file if the other pawns are already promoted. By the way, 'summon' is a very interesting way of rephrasing 'drop' in shogi. I liked that.

@ninemae

4 жыл бұрын

*Everyone liked that.*

Haha the "Aaah!" at 6:32...priceless Guess there are no take backs for accidents ;)

Sir, it is extremely lucky of me that i have found your channel and your videos. You did a good job helping us newbie. A little bit sad when i saw your last video was 6 years ago. Anyway, i thank you, and wish you all the best

As a person who got interested in shogi way too late in his life than it should have been, in a country where almost no one knows what it is or knows how to play it, I am thankful to fate for being able to find this series that both helps getting to know how to play and gives infos about its origins and the way it's played in Japan, with a clear and simple english explanation. Thank you, I hope you're good and i wish you the best

That's the most ridiculous, over-the-top castle I've ever seen. Love it!

However, immediate loss of the game by an illegal move is a thing only in offical games. If you're playing shogi just for fun with your friends, you don't have to end the game by illegal moves. You should just point out the illegal move and let him correct his move, of course.

@TestowyAP1

3 жыл бұрын

5:15 Hello Hidetchi, this is very interesting concept (meaning losing the game after committing a move being a rule violation). Is it only with the double pawn drop or any other illegal move? And why the rule is like this? Is it a culture thing?

@seussusamongoose2905

Жыл бұрын

@@TestowyAP1 it is not a culture thing, it is standard practice to disqualify for illegal actions in most professional board game leagues. It is rare for a great player to make an illegal mistake, and if they do that should be attributed to the mental dominance of the other player.

@TestowyAP1

Жыл бұрын

@@seussusamongoose2905 hi, I tend to disagree. I understand, that if you play tournament shogi, making nifu, that is illegal move is an autoloss. If you compare to western chess (refer for example to fide laws of chess) making illegal move does not mean an autoloss. I definetely see the difference in approach.

4:53 is golden. I'm loving that illegal castle.

I think undos are fine at the beginner level, and for people who are only playing for fun, but in a serious game, rules should always be followed. And the illegal pawn drop rules make the game very interesting. It's exciting when you're playing or watching a game where one of the players is saved thanks to the mate with a dropped pawn rule.

The player who made the illegal move loses the game even when it was pointed out later in the game. However, if it was pointed out after his opponent made a resignation, it's a win for him. But it's very unlikely because the people who are watching the game are allowed to point out an illegal move.

I am grateful for these videos, although I cannot help being a bit sad for discovering them as an adult, and in a country where no one plays shogi. I was trained in chess under my father at an early age. I remember quitting chess because the rules felt oppressing, and also because my opponent didn't accept defeat. Had I played shogi instead, I know I would've stayed interested in this subtle, complex and beautful discipline. Thank you for having made me discover shogi.

You're right. You never have to say 'check' in shogi. And yes, it's practically almost impossible to create a stalemate in shogi, because the number of the pieces in the game never decreases. You probably have pieces in hand, so almost never occurs a situation where you can't make any move when you're not checked. Of course it's mathematically possible, but no rule is specified about how we should end the game when it's a stalemate. ^^;

You got to admire the Japanese manners in everything ! The professional players making an apology even that everyone knew he made the mistake unwillingly under heavy mental pressure yet he apologizes and the other party accepts it ! Gotta love and admire such manners !

@1Celebrindor No, pieces may not promote at the same time as the drop. You have to drop and then move it in the next move to promote.

@shion255 It is already covered in earlier videos, because it is not illegal PAWN drop. There basic illegal drops.

Really fun and educational that you included that video clip!

Thanks. Hope you'll enjoy my other videos, too.

Had to look at this like 4 times to understand ; so we don't upgrade the rook in order to only put a check with the respawned pawn and not a checkmate, because it would be illegal ? So when the pawn is already here we can use it to mate, so we decide to promote the rook. Right ? Anyway thank you so much for your videos, you're the only youtube chanel that actually teaches us to play this game.

@nicolassznajder780

7 жыл бұрын

Yes. The only illegal move is a pawn drop that immediately checkmates. But if the pawn is dropped and the checkmate only occurs one turn latter, then it is perfectly legal.

1:42 you can extend the moves by 2 by setting up the position with the king on 1b and knight in hand

@Dragonballjunky Yes, that is correct. Any illegal move counts as an immediate loss of the game in standard play.

I understand the uchi-fu-tsume, or "pawn drop mate" has historic reasons behind it: that the lowly soldier is unworthy to kill the mighty king by something as powerful as a drop, or something. Oh, and thanks for the example where it can be to one's advantage to leave an hisha (rook) unpromoted.

@k13scdude Probably because you end up getting a lot of pawns in the endgame. The rule is likely to make the endgame more challenging, just like the two pawns in a file rule.

@vishalb That's right.

That example of an exception to promoting a rook is awesome; where did it come from?

A link to the video I used is XICtHIuZ1u4. Yes, moving a piece wrongly is an illegal move, so the game end there. Other illegal moves are promoting a piece when it can't promote, or, making two moves in a row by mistake without waiting for the opponent to make one, or making the first move by mistake when you're white, or not making a move within time limit, or "do-over" where you change the move after you finished making one.

Great Tutorials!!! By the way I have a question : Is it possible to have for example an unpromoted pawn in a row an 1-2 or 3 promoted pawns in the same row as the unpromoted one??

本将棋 or 持将棋 jishōgi=Stalemate or impasse. Good lesson.☆

I'm just a beginner but I don't see any sense in the example of unpromoted Rook. If the White plays 1. R6i promoting with check, then Black answers with 1. P7i, then in the 2. move the White plays N7h promoted with check, the Black 2. K x P9h, the White 3. R x 7i and whatever the Black plays it's a forced mate in the 4th. White's move (with a notation taking into account that actually the board is upside down, if this is a Black King). So in this case there would be no reason not to promote the Rook, because you can checkmate two moves earlier than without promotion. Am I wrong?

@nicolassznajder780

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed. In that case, you're right. I believe that if black had a bishop on F5 to prevent the knight's promotion, the example would also prevent that and force the unpromoted rook play. I can be wrong, tought

Very important.. should be lesson #4

why can't you checkmate the king with a pawn? is there a website where it says. I never knew that

Where did you get the Shogi pieces? Can you leave a link?

if you drop a piece in enemy territory, will it be automaticaly promoted?

See lesson#6

2:07 if i put a pawn on b2, does that one work?

@TheCommonCritic The knight on 2d.

If the opponent can save himself in anyway, it's not a mate in the first place. It is illegal only when it's an immediate MATE with a dropped pawn.

@HIDETCHI I have two quick questions about Shogi 1. can I drop a piece and promote it at the same time? 2. If I can drop a piece and promote it at the same time, can I drop a tokin (promoted pawn) to get checkmate? Thanks PS: these videos are great! thanks for making them.

@HD-fy2wu

7 жыл бұрын

1. No. If you drop it in the opponent's camp, you need to move it during your other turns to promote it. 2. Refer to 1

Wow your bishop's dead :D I like that phrase lol. I think after watching 10 lessons I maybe ready to challenge my com at shogi :D

@hirohiigo Thanks

is it also illegal if the opponent can make a drop on the next turn wich can save him from the mate? Or should only the pieces on the board count for the ability to do something against the mate? Do u understand my question? So can I drop a pawn wich makes mate and wich only the opponent can get rid of by dropping a piece on the board?

@edukid1984

Жыл бұрын

13 years late, but the situation you described is impossible, since a pawn can only attack the square in front of it. A pawn drop that can be captured or blocked with opponent's drop is, by definition, NOT an immediate mate, and therefore not illegal. However, if the opponent NEEDS to drop a piece first before it can save itself from the pawn checkmate (on the next turn), then yes, the dropped pawn has put the opposing king in IMMEDIATE mate and therefore is illegal.

@shingi085 You got that right. Well, who cares, just begin another game.

I thought it was automatic promotion on the last tile layer

Around 2:33, what would have prohibited the King from capturing the Pawn?

@HD-fy2wu

7 жыл бұрын

It is protected by the knight

Of course not. It's illegal only when it's a mate by a dropped pawn. Also watch Lesson#7.

Really?? What if your only defense to check is to drop a pawn on the last row to block?

@HD-fy2wu

7 жыл бұрын

Then it's a checkmate, unless you have pieces other than Pawn, Knight or Lance to drop.

Firstly, it's not mate if they can drop a piece to get out of it. And second you're asking about an impossible situation because it's impossible to put a piece between the king and a dropped pawn which is putting him in check.

What happens if we drop some other piece other than a pawn to have a checkmate? Would that be illegal?

@Bastardatore

9 жыл бұрын

Yes

@hidekona1

9 жыл бұрын

Bastardatore That will be absolutely fine

@Bastardatore

9 жыл бұрын

hidekona1 Sorry, I meant the Pawn was illegal, my bad! I misunderstood the question :/

you can drop any piece to checkmate but not pawn!

@suspecthalo

3 жыл бұрын

lore affecting gameplay, smh

wait a second if you want to promote a pice you don't move it after rite?

I think stalemate in chess is rational. It's just shy of checkmate.

@comic4relief

6 жыл бұрын

...no legal moves but not in check.

Apparently the professional player's mistake starts at 6:00

I committed Ni-Fu (two pawns) in 81Dojo

You can't drop the pawn if you promote, because it'd be an illegal "pawn drop mate".

@GerSHAK

4 жыл бұрын

+

so unlucky that guy did a 2 pawn very unlucky

@Pokarface7

2 жыл бұрын

He was losing anyways 😂

Then you have lost.

u are confusing me

2:38 makes no sense, when the king can just beat the pawn

@klieu90210

5 жыл бұрын

If ☖1二玉, then immediate ☗2ー飛成 checkmate