Iron Havocs with autocannons are a must! If only for the theme.

Valid points. But don't forget the fact a vexilla is almost as much of a must take on these as an augury scanner is.. Considering, for 10 pts, it stops them running off your board edge when they flee.

Really enjoying these vids mate. Keep up the good work

Really love your videos buddy. Always very clear, very succinct and very candid. Looking into starting into HH and your advice is definitely a great boon to a new player.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton!

Heavy Flamers and Multi Meltas need to get close to be really effective. *Armillus Dynat has entered the chat*

Brilliant as always bud. I am going back on your last couple of videos I missed. I just enjoy listening and learning extra bits even on stuff I don't play (like ad mech)

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yep, knowing your enemy is always useful too :)

Cheers for the update!

Absolutely love these videos. I’m brand new to HH and I’d have no idea where to start without them. My plan is is to turn the 40 marines from AoD into 2 x 12 tactical, 1 x 8 tactical support with plasmas (all in rhinos) and 1 x 8 volkite culverins for heavy support

Im really enjoying building the heavy weapons squads so this was really helpfull to know

Top class. Keep it coming

Perfect timing! I just got a box of Mk 6 marines for my Blood Angels and was debating how to equip them. 10 Lascannons & 10 Volkite Culverins it is! Thank you for the video!!

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Welcome!

@sonicwingnut

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I was thinking for my Blood Angels too! Quite glad Volkite and Lascannons are in the same kit.

@tylercranston7226

Жыл бұрын

Don't discount missles. A squad of missle launchers hanging out in a good spot can put in a ton of work

Thanks!

After testing the aether-fire blaster to great effect, I'm interested to see how aether-fire cannons work in a list.

I have a 10man squad of Heavy Bolters and a 10man squad of Volkite. The reasons for this is 1st Iron Warriors can make they're Heavy Bolters into Shrapnel Cannons and the 2nd I just Volkite weapons they're very cool to me and they do some damage against some units

Autocannons on Iron Havocs are awesome.

I've canabalised my Fallen army for weapons so I have a fair few missile launchers dudes, a unit of these missile launcher guys is going to be so flexible that I reckon every army list I take will have one.

As someone likely to pick up Imperial Fists as my legion, I plan to run a 10-man squad of assault cannons. Some missile launchers too as my Swiss army knife too. I can use rotor cannons as proxies for the assault cannons for a while, but I dread the day when I make a list that uses both.

@mersenniusprime

Жыл бұрын

I ran into that same issue myself. I am using the old resin Mk. 3 rotor cannons with the backpack feeds for assault cannons. With the huge backpack, larger gun, ammo belt, and Mk. 3 base, they are very noticeably different from rotor cannons and look much more like proper heavy weapons.

@LordCrate-du8zm

5 ай бұрын

I forgot Fists could take Assault Cannons. Absolute must-have in any army. And yeah I'm facing the same problem, I might have to do the same thing lol.

Been really impressed with Missile Launchers for my Word Bearers. Pinning and Fear is a great combo.

@asimplekraken1318

Жыл бұрын

yeah, my night lords love them for this as well!

@tylercranston7226

Жыл бұрын

One squad of missle launchers just feel right in a ton of lists. They don't really have a bad target especially with an auspex and nuncio voxes on other squads for the rerolls. Just a problem solver

The thing about these as a world eaters player is that I can take predators as fast attack so it frees up those heavy support slots so it can get really shooty really fast

I don't really see the point in a 200-300 point unit that is almost guaranteed to be made useless my whirlwind Scorpius i'd rather put 10 multi meltas on vehicles for 200 points

Completely agree on missile launchers, lascannons, and volkite being the best choices. I really like the missile launchers as a cheaper option that's a very good utility weapon. Lascannons are hard to not pick though, with how good they are against so many things that are really good now.

I'm running a six man squad of these with Augury Scanner in my World Eaters list when I go to a big narrative game in October. Combined with a 10 man tactical support squad of volkite chargers I'm looking forward to seeing how they perform in my list.

Nice roundup! Would you say you agree with the sentiment that lascannon HSS together with overtuned dreads are what’s making most vehicles so unviable in the current game?

My assault cannon HSS have been putting a lot of work in my otherwise pretty melee heavy list! For more serious games I feel like at least one more HSS would be ideal, for fun games the melee rush is super fun to play and gives even newer players a lot of counter possibilities, esp when playing day of sorrows and having no deepstrike. Still waiting on that blood angel video when you find time :3

@markselby9352

Жыл бұрын

What size squad do you run?

@miguelgilcasas3560

Жыл бұрын

@@markselby9352 10 of them in a rhino

I’ve just got the heavy flame weapon sprue I’ve already got 2 5 man support squads of melta & hellfire guns but wanted some heavy squads with the bigger versions also. Might still do 2 units of one heavy & 1 support (10 man) flamers for the fluff & fun factor of the word bearers more than the power level.

Great advice. I play my OLD MARINE SQUADS follow yur advice .... THEY do quit well..... better Tham b4. Can't see as well or build models n paint like I used to so enjoy still using my old BEAKY CRIMSON FISTS..... BUT BEING "OLD VETERANS" I GIVE EM RED HUMAN SKULLS (cut in half from wahammer box of skulls kit....) They look great💀☠️👍

It's a bit of a tough sell to be giving an Augury Scanner to a heavy flamer or multi-melta squad, seeing as neither weapon option can shoot at anything beyond 24" by default, never mind Night Fighting (which doesn't affect heavy flamers at all). Doing so anyway is really only good for the other two benefits: free Intercept reactions, and deployment area denial against scouts and infiltrators. Beyond that, you're pretty bang-on about the internal upgrades that a heavy support squad has access to. Trying to squeeze more use out of them requires attaching support characters to the unit, be they Techmarine, Master of Signals, Siege Breaker, or Armistos, that either have access to Cognis-Signum (some of these would also make taking an augury scanner and/or nuncio-vox redundant for the squad) or improve its weapons' effectiveness in some way (the Siege Breaker is especially good for granting Sunder to weapons that don't already have it). Mark my words, never underestimate the utility of a Cognis-Signum - in addition to being able to grant a nearby unit +1 ballistic skill, a model with a Cognis-Signum also has the Night Vision special rule, which allows it and the unit it's part of to be able to ignore the rules for Night Fighting and Shrouded. Conveniently, this also allows the unit to ignore the effects of Shroud Bombs. Pair that with a heavy support squad of any kind in any legion (not just Night Lords), and Night Fighting becomes their domain.

Seems like using the auto cannons for Iron Havocs would be the better option than on a heavy support squad.

I recently tried a armistos with 10 lascannons. I found it to be quite deadly!

Hm great suggestions, will make the next Harrowing an interesting experience indeed

DG running 10 multi-meltas up in a rhino, tempted to run 7 HS with my ROW. I do strongly prefer the FW heavy weapon sculpts, although the fumes frome using a lighter to soften up the cables isn't ideal :)

Slight downside of the word bearer upgrade dropping the blast from 5" to 3" but more sources of pinning does seem real good to protect the valuable melee units some overwatch. Thanks for the video!

@Gerendiell

Жыл бұрын

Normal Plasma cannon has 3" anyway. The Contemptor for example only has 5" (and therefor gets a downgrade in this regard) because he is using Gravis plasma cannons.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Its 3” anyway, only the dread one drops from 5 to 3.

I'm just planning to start into Horus Heresy and your videos are helping me a lot. It's tough to decide on which legion to play and I'm left with Space Wolves, Raven Guard and Thousand Sons as possible choices now. Concerning the Thousand Sons I'm a bit worried that they will be really annoying to play though. I've heard that their legion trait might be a bit underwhelming and now I've heard about nemesis bolters being pretty strong and being able to make TS armies completely lose their unique playstyle by sniping out sergeants. So I was wondering if you could treat this topic of recon squads, nemesis bolters and how to deal with them?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Usually, you will see either one or zero nemesis bolter squads in an army. People will talk to theory about how those squads will ruin your games, and of course sometimes they will roll well, but a squad of five only just kills a single sergeant on average rolls and thats a 135 point recon unit killing one model per turn. What I’m getting at is that it is a boogeyman situation that wont happen in 99% of your games.

Death Guard with the Reaping rite of war: 2 - 5 man squads with Volkite Culverin Both squads count as non-compulsory troop squads, saving all your Heavy slots for anything else.

So, what about in a PotL list? Would you think a HSS is a worthwhile use of the one HS slot you get, or would you take something different that can be a squadron or something?

I feel heavy flamers with Space Wolves could take advantage of their ability to make runs and then shoot.

Its quite ironic really just ordered a box of MkVI with plasma cannons for my corrupted warpfire cannons want to see how they play , already have a 10 man of volkites absolutely love them

I did pure heavy bolters, and another squad of all missle launchers. I've yet to test either in game

Off topic question how u makw alpha legion zone mortalis amd a 2k amd 3 list? No limits list anything I have it I'm a builder and now looking to play . I really really like your insite and am lookin for help

Oh! I put the skul half on the pauldrons

As an IW player who loves a fluffy list, I’m going autocannon load out! Happy that I can glance even AV 14 to death with them.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Not just glance, you can penetrate both 14 and 15! They are great if you play against Spartans and Kratos a lot

I understand that relentless doesn't confer to units from independent characters anymore. Is there any way for legions other than death guard to move and shoot more effectively?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Not that im aware of, no :(

Absolutely agree on one of the later points, I never go full melee or gunline. For my legion (Scars) I usually use the 60/40 guideline, one of those is my shooting element and the other percentage my melee. Which of those I use for which depends on the Rite and units.

Worth pointing out that heavy flamer support quads are absolute murder in Zone Mortalis games.

Would a master of signals work well in a HS squad?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

No reason not to if you have use for his comms equipment too. Armistos is worth looking at also to get the BS improvement.

I have 5 missile launchers in my Death Guard force for the new edition I am planning to add 10 volite culverines, 10 heavy flamer's and 5 lascannons, to support my 2x 20 tacticals I want a fluffy list and marine heavy feels right, but I'm not 100% sure

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

You wont be able to fit all of that in one list with heavy slots but it would work just fine I think! Consider multimeltas for death guard too.

@davidjewell3484

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to reply even though I'm a bit late in viewing your videos, I was banking on the Reaping right of war to bring them, but now I do wonder if upgraded flamer's might be a better fit than heavy flamer's in that I could more easily use other rites!

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

That could work yeh! Cheaper too.

i haven't actually played, but I must preparing my Alpha Legion list incorrectly: in 20000 points, I'm only using 1 Heavy Support choice.

Made 10 with Culverins for rule of cool and 10 with autocannons to actually do something xD

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Other way round?

@abbadonslostarms-kbd1393

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy so far my various units with volkites haven't done much but then most games I've been against big dread/ armour lists

You would post this after I make 60 heavy support fellas wouldn't you lol

Death Guard heavy Flamers suck. They are just as good as DG hand flamers due to how flesh bane works

What are the best heavy weapons choice to use for emperors children?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Check out my video on heavy support squads!