Gravis Melta + Fist with Inbuilt Melta Gun has been awesome at cracking open tanks and then bullying power armored units.

@Twhylight1

Жыл бұрын

First one I built

Absolutely cracking content, very concise and easy to digest. As a new player to Heresy, your videos are becoming invaluable to me

My contemptor talon plan for Imperial Fists is. Starter box Dread - Melta cannon and melta fist. Regular contemptor - double lascannon w/ helix Resin Imperial Fist Contemptor - Dual fist with Assault Cannons. Maybe a havoc launcher.

Since I run Salamanders, I’ve been using dual fist with hvy flamer, to quite good effect. Blast any troops with the flamers, then annihilate them in the assault phase. Plus that brutal(3) can wreck any hq characters, I like to use him as a praetor-killer

Cool to revisit topics now more games have been played. Keep up the good work 👌

Another great, educational video! THANKS!!

I built my first Contemptor with melta cannon and fist with melta gun. It just made sense to pair such similar weapons. And the short range felt less of an issue, since I want to get close to punch stuff with that powerful fist. Seems like I unknowingly hit one of your recommended loadouts. My second Contemptor is supposed to be more anti-infantry, but I wasn't sure about the loadout. After watching your video, I think I will go with plasma cannon with fist and plasma blaster. Didn't realize that it works so well against high armor infantry. And the big plasma cannon on a dreadnought just looks really cool.

Never tire of listening to these episodes - always learn something!

Jaysus lad pumping these out :-P nice!!

Thank you!

Great video. Quite pleased to see my favoured loadout of chain/fist and double grav get rated so well. Really looking forward to using it for terrain disruption! I will take another look at the plasma cannon though.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

The template effect of grav is massively underrated for sure!

@yinshaoloong2048

Жыл бұрын

I’m planning to build a list around it. Double grav contemptor and grav predators (whenever the models are out) with Iron Warriors Hammer of Olympia (buffs the predators) to pin what I with shrapnel and grav what I can’t so that shootier tyrants and havocs get more effective rounds of fire.

My best performing contempter runs Gravis Fist, Chain fist and twin plasma blasters and a havoc launcher and HOLY it tears through almost anything that gets in its way.

I see new hearesy video - my day being good right away

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

I've builded mine around what Iron Warriors can give me, so he has Shrapnel Cannon and a Graviton Fist. Which isn't bad per say but am definitely gonna have a 2nd one with one of the loadouts you suggested

I think having a ranged weapon on a dreadnaught is always a good idea as, from what I’ve seen, opponents want to fire their big guns at them, and at least having the threat of returned fire (if not actually returning fire) will make them think twice (especially with something like a HSS). As they tend to move slowly up the table they are often seen as the most threatening as well as sometimes the only unit your opponent can shoot at.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

Since I'm doing Blood Angels I just thought outside of the usual magnetized options I'll keep available, do a melee build with a power fist, chainfist and Illiastus Assault Cannons in the fists as you can swap out the heavy flamer options for them. It's probably expensive but decent range and I just like the idea of a dreadnought with 2 assault cannon fists. Can use some of my spare rotor cannons to kitbash the parts.

Grat work, thank you

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Another thing to consider is zone mortalis builds :). Flamers and template weapons get buffs in ZM, and range is obviously less of a consideration, etc etc. Generally speaking, I'm playing Eskaton Imperative Dark Angels, so any time I can run Grav guns, I'll do it, for that sweet +1 to wound when things are in dangerous terrain.

And I just wanted to build a dual Kheres Contemptor! Thanks for providing some more sensible choices :)

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

You should if you want to! Or Kheres and fist if you want it to be a bit more effective maybe? Also big fan of your content, thanks for all of the great reads over the years!

@stahly_taleofpainters

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy You're welcome! And thanks for all your videos & positive vibe, helps me a lot in planning my army, as I don't have a clue about gameplay lol. Maybe you could do a video about allies soon, I'd love to add an allied contingent of Emperor's Children to my Sons of Horus at some point, would open up a few new painting and collecting possibilities :)

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Good idea, ill add that to my list!

Outflanking a dreadnought with gravis melta and fist w/ melta using the Emperor’s Children Maru Skara rite of war has been great. getting to blast vehicles in their rear armor makes melta really shine

im more a painter than a gamer , i did not buy the rule book and i got a dreadnought as a gift. Your video showed me the way, GREAT Quality!

Its 2am, I can't sleep, absolutely here for a video I do not need to watch because I'm only gonna use boxnaughts and leviathans lmfao. And thats only if I decide to fully fill out marines instead of just waiting for custodes, who I prefer from lore and looks!

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

I was just thinking “I wonder if Lesbian Morgoth is awake, probably needs a video to watch, lets talk about Dreads”

@lesbianmorgoth652

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy hell yeah! Always fun to know I'm being catered to 🥰

@lesbianmorgoth652

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy I've really gotta make a discord account one of these nights so I can have even more 30k to talk about lol

Grav is amazing on close combat contemptors you have a chance of reducing the ws. Which matters a lot.

awesome thank you

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

As Alpha Legion, graviton guns are awesome at making that 2" minus range a 4" minus range for counter charges :)

So make a Gravis Melta/Chainfist with Graviton and send him in...👀

Two videos in one day? you're spoiling us. I'm going for a talon of three for my Alphas.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Trying to make up for my sickness and holiday weeks recently, got to keep you guys in videos :) Alpha Legion FW dread is my fave model by far!

Just now noticed that upgrading the Gravis Plasma Cannon to warpfire in word bearers shrinks it from 5" blast to 3" blast. Been looking at other ways of incorporating warpfire into my army besides a tactical support squad, and debating if the smaller range is worth more pinning. A fist with warpfire blaster seems like a better source of ancillary pinning.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

I hadnt noticed that. Oof :(

Good explanation for all weapons. Just a question: What do you think about Legion specific wargear, especially IW. The Gravis Shrapnel Cannon seems overpriced, but perhaps I underestimate pinning. The Graviton Maul looks good on paper. You trade one point of brutal for Haywire, which is good against other dreadnoughts, and some vehicles, but you lose power against infantry, especially terminators and independent characters. +15 points seems relatively expensive to me.

I magnetized mine but the main loadout that interests me is Melta Cannon/Power Fist w/Dragon's Breath Heavy Flamer. Its job is to get close and wreck anything in the way. At S6 the Dragon's Breath Heavy Flamer is nasty against infantry.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Yep definitely much better with DB!

Here I was, feeling silly for building multi-role flexible dreadnoughts because I enjoy their flexibility. Seems like this wasn't such a bad idea after all now!

Could you do a video talking about terminator loadouts in 30k?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Yes I can! Not sure why I never thought about this before…

Great video, really helpful with building my two Contemptors. Would this video more or less apply to Leviathans in regards to weapon balance?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Leviathans are so different they need their own video, but thats coming soon!

@piltonbadger9897

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy thank you, I thought they might! I will leave my leviathan for the moment and build my contemptors instead!

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

I’ll make sure its high up the list so as not to keep you waiting :)

@piltonbadger9897

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy Thank you again ^^ Until then time to build my contemptors!

@MrMiserum

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy Wait, you have already done a Leviathan video 4 weeks ago or do you want to add more about them? Also thanks for all the videos!

As Salamanders, I think the Flamer-fist weapon gets an extra nod. Otherwise, all solid information I agree with.

@Henevas

Жыл бұрын

Three Salamanders in the comments, and we're all saying the same thing. Why go sally if you aren't going to purify the enemy in flames anyway?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Three CORRECT Salamanders players :)

Any word on the Iron Warriors Gravis Shrapnel Cannon - the 5pts upgrade to the Bolt Cannon? Is it worth its points? Would it be better paired with a fist or with a second Shrapnel Cannon?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

It wouldnt be a terrible option for a cheap dreadnought with a fist and pinning potential although you probably have enough ways to get pinning in iw that you dont need to use a valuable dread gun on it.

Are you ever going to do a video going over Deredeo dreads, their my favorite.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like an idea!

@isitric

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy gonna add to this and suggest doing something for box dreads too. The point you made about dual gun contemptors is valid and, in the case of both the other dread types, they generally tend to make better gun platforms. Would love your thoughts.

You actually get 2 additional attacks by going twin melee. It gives you +1 to the base A stat, but then you'll also be getting another +1 for having 2 melee weapons, which is a sepeeate rule.

@TheBirdMan9142

Жыл бұрын

That’s only if you charge, however. Still very good.

afaik blast weaponc can't do reactions so I don't think I'd put a helical targeting array on a double plasma cannon dread. Maybe if the oppenint uses bikes or speeders but the plasma cannon seem way better to shoot at infantry with

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

You can fire blast weapons in reactions. Usually (although weirdly not with interceptor) you cant use los-ignoring weapons like barrage, though.

@lukeeaton2364

Жыл бұрын

Blast weapons can't be used for snap shots, but you can use them for reactions. The only reaction that forces you to snap shoot is the supress zone mortalis movement phase reaction.

could you please tell me why you think a plasma canon with AP4 is excellent in killing marines ? i dont get the point so far 🤔. And its a blast weapon which is very likely going to somewhere and hitting not even one marine…only with extra gear wich costs additional points would reduce this probability… thanx for the video !

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Its breaching, and its blast. Thats all it needs!

@stephantrumpp4489

Жыл бұрын

ah ok 😅 i see… didnt realize the breaching special rule…tx.

Hate to do it, but i gotta do the dual C beamer cannon dreadnought

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Legendary

@3v3rhard

Жыл бұрын

Double C counts as D right.

Nothing like a mad heavy metal box loaded up with close combat weapons and underslung melta. Hopefully I'll be fielding a castra ferrum with chainfist/ powerfist and meltaguns and a Leviathan with the drill, claw, meltas and phosphex discharger at 2500 points. They both get strength 12 attacks with the chainfist or drill if I'm reading that correctly.. Leviathan is replacing a lascannon squad, so hopefully it'll be worth it, losing all that firepower for an unkillable monster.

@liammorgan1413

Жыл бұрын

A word of caution about the Castra-Ferrum: Initiative 2 and the Heavy sub-type make it far less mobile than its Contemptor counterpart, and at 1 less wound it's also not as durable, making it pretty bad as a melee dreadnought. It's still got WS5/BS5 though, so you may want to invest in ranged options for it as fire support, especially if you intend on dropping the lascannon squad.

@crowmccarrionface670

Жыл бұрын

@@liammorgan1413 I'll still have 10 missile launchers, a Kratos with lascannons/ battlecannon, a landspeeder and rhino with multimeltas. Eventually I want 6 castra ferrums, mostly mixed loadout with the gravis lascannon and heliacl targetting array but still want 2 ironclad style ones with chainfists for the strength 12 armourbane attacks. Yeah the initiative sucks but any marine infantry with powerfist or termies with chainfist are still initiative 1 and I'll get to reroll to wound if I charge with the Raven Guard special rules on the first combat round.

@liammorgan1413

Жыл бұрын

@@crowmccarrionface670 I feel that the operative word here is "if". Barring really good charge rolls, you can expect a savvy opponent to kite a talon of Castra-Ferrum dreadnoughts something fierce, with nothing to say of being the one to charge said talon with a WS5 unit (be it a contemptor talon or veteran squad, who will both get to strike before you) to deny you that legion bonus. If that's something you're okay with, then there's nothing more that I can say on the matter.

@crowmccarrionface670

Жыл бұрын

@@liammorgan1413 I'm sort of OK with a sub-par list - I still have 10 dark furies with a Primus Medicae and Corvid jump pack, 20 assault marines that I'm building now , 20 despoilers and 7 marine command squad with Praetor. Together with the close combat talon I'm hoping this will overwhelm the enemy army with cheapish bodies. The cc talon is 2 ironclad dreads with meltaguns and the third is the AoBR dread with a mulimelta, cc arm and meltagun. TBH just running them to save money - already have some unassembled classic dreads lying around ;)

Mortis configurations (loadouts involving two ranged weapons) with helical targeting arrays are a bit pricy for a Contemptor platform, to be honest. For 50 points less you can get away with using a Castra-Ferrum Dreadnought with the same loadout. The hybrid and melee loadouts however are much more viable on Contemptors.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

It seems you mentioned a pdf unit that can be abused to make your army better and cheaper due to being poirly written and balanced. We dont talk about GW’s pdf homebrew rules round these parts :)

@liammorgan1413

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy to each their own. The difference between the two dreadnought chassis is really that the Contemptor is objectively both tougher (+1S, +1T, +1W) and more mobile (+2M, +2I, lacks the Heavy sub-type) compared to the Castra-Ferrum. On a melee build, I'd say that's worth the 50 extra points. I do agree however that the "Legends" units were poorly written overall though.

Liverpool?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Yep!

Whilst I watch the ads, let me just say, don't equip them with Conversion beams. They're shite.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Conversion Beams are for people who dont need good models to win games!