I’m including the melee/phosphex build in my salamanders to help with bullying off of objectives. I needed more melee prowess, and it needs to perform more of the distraction-carnifex role to draw some firepower away from my elite units and vehicles

Great ideas to think about, thank you for this!

Melta/Claw/Phosphex sounds like an amazing allrounder for my Iron Warriors, cheers for another great video!

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeh ive been really enjoying that loadout so far.

@LordCrate-du8zm

4 ай бұрын

Great for my Imperial Fists too.

Great rundown as always mate; have really enjoyed listening through all your videos. You strike the perfect balance between talking about rules effectiveness but also always keeping in mind that the game must remain fun, for both players. Good work! Now go make a video about the World Eaters, because that’s how I’m going to paint my double melee Leviathan. :)

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Hopefully get to WE soon

Actually tried out double stormcannons in TS because of this video, worked quite well. Thanks!

I love this guy for some return fire with my ultramarine reaction. The storm cannon is not a perfect weapon for shooting marines but rendering means you should kill a few. That plus phosphex gives you game against any infantry!

Great video. Very handy.

Coming back to this one, got rekt by one of these last weekend so taking notes how to put one down!

Great overview. Thanks a lot. I just ordered a Blood Angels Leviathan body, so i will use their special rotor canon options for the hull weapons. As for the rest i still have some weapons to spare since i already bought one cc and ranged levi as well. Claw and drill would be fitting for the BAs but i think i will go with the gun/claw combo on this one...

So glad that i found your channel. Before i was watching outer circle who talks a lot about heresy but recently started noticing a lot of nonsense. Every episode you have is so useful (even when its not about Alpha))) always rewatching your videos couple times when i miss little stuff. Thank you, mate!

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

For you: twitter.com/talkheresy/status/1554095273152073730

@seymoounit0018

Жыл бұрын

Legendary!

@graffpov

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy omg yessss!

@LordCrate-du8zm

4 ай бұрын

"but recently started noticing a lot of nonsense" What do you mean? As in filler words, contradictions, or stuff like misinterpreting mechanics?

Building an Emperor's Children Leviathan off of a conversion from the Red Scorpions Leviathan and threw some SONIC guns in where the assault cannons were. Added a nameplate last night "Tarsus Unbowed, Tarsus Unbent, Tarsus Unbroken" Then this pops up the next day, I LOVE it man.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a sweet project! Drop some pics on twitter or fb when its done, would love to see!

@redjulius3718

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy hell yeah brother

Mine has two storm cannons. As that's what I bought. Doesn't matter if it's optimal or not,it's beyond cool to have what is an orks wet dream.

@ResonanceSD

Жыл бұрын

"Most Dakka" I did the same.

Double leviathan storm cannon for me! Great for killing light vehicles and for thinning out infantry.

Siege Claw looks MUCH cooler than the drill, in my opinion, so I always go to the Claw. I think I will take the melta Lance and Claw in a combo on two. One with 2 Storm Cannons will be another choice for me.

@eater_of_garbage_

Жыл бұрын

Brutal 3 makes it incredible into terminators, which are a way bigger threat than vehicles

@LordCrate-du8zm

3 ай бұрын

Two storm cannons are how I built my first Leviathan. Plan on buying a second version so I can experiment with builds.

When I get the melee one this week, I plan on building it with double claws as I also plan on playing some Zone Mortalis, and think that will do well there.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Great plan!

@TimcPlays

Жыл бұрын

Don't Leviathans have too many wounds to be included in ZM? I thought the restriction was Vehicles and models with 7 or more wounds? Leviathans have 7.

@Skringly

Жыл бұрын

​@@TimcPlays Yeah the Zone Mortalis rules restrict you from bringing Leviathans. Too many wounds.

I forgot about Rending ignoring Toughness values with its auto-wound. That's good stuff. I should have magnetized my Leviathan but feel fine about keeping it just a claw and a drill anyways. Then I won't have to buy the upgrade weapons kit (though the cyclonic melta lance would be my choice along with a claw if I decide to cut it off and magnetize the drill arm).

@LordCrate-du8zm

4 ай бұрын

You can't really magnetize the arm weapons. The guns are just fine without them, friction's great at keeping my Rifleman Leviathan together. But the arms have cables which unfortunately require specific pieces for the shoulder in order to plug in and so can't really be removed unless you magnetize that entire assembly.

Currently building one as I watch your vid - going for claw, drill, phosphex and two assault cannon for my Imperial Fists!

@LordCrate-du8zm

4 ай бұрын

As a fellow Imperial Fists player, I need to ask about that. Is the "all-in melee" able to be rounded out by the assault cannons/phosphex, or is it too CC oriented for the assault cannon/phosphex shooting to be relevant?

@MB-ht5rd

4 ай бұрын

@@LordCrate-du8zmit’s slow enough that the assault cannons keep it relevant. Remember that even the arm gun options max out at 24” range, so assault cannons in the chest can threaten at the same range.

@LordCrate-du8zm

4 ай бұрын

@@MB-ht5rd I see. And would you take it over Melta/Claw/Phosphex?

@MB-ht5rd

4 ай бұрын

@@LordCrate-du8zmdepends what you’re fighting/ the purpose it’ll fill in your list. The dedicated CC version is a blender that can walk into large squads, putting lots of shots on the way in. The melta/ claw/ phosphex is a terminator/ tank killer.

@LordCrate-du8zm

4 ай бұрын

@@MB-ht5rd I see. I have a Contemptor in my list too with the gravis lascannon and combi-bolter fist. Which do you recommend then?

Great video again! How do you rate the Castro Ferrrum (not sure I got the name right) old school dreadnoughts?

@LordCrate-du8zm

3 ай бұрын

Castraferrum

The bonus to run and charge from the WE trait berserk assault applies to dreadnoughts? Maybe it would help a bit with mobility. I want to collect WE and leviathan with double melee looks awesome in that army!

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Leviathans cant run as theyre heavy, but the charge bonus would apply!

Claw, stormcannon and phosphex is the best allrounder loadout.

double melee for the win. cool af

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Definitely!

Great video! How would you equip a Space Wolves Leviathan?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Probably melta+claw for close support, the same as I use it for my iron hands. Protect your marines from those nasty dreadnoughts!

I've overlooked the Leviathans entirely, i took a talon of 3 contemptors to keep my heavy support slots free

does move through cover on the leviathan dread negate the phosphex dischargers negative

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Only difficult, not dangerous!

was think about putting one of these guys in my 3k list for Iron hands with grav flux bombard and heavy famers, and siege claw would have been cool and a good thematic close support platform but yeah... Probably not gonna take one now and take 2 Deredos instead

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Id still use it, it just sucks how useless the grav is :( melta or stormcannon do a good job though!

@Skringly

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy I had completely missed that it didn't leave a template, just kind of assumed as that's typical what Grav does. Crazy that it doesn't.

I'm thinking double melee offset my iron hands lack big melee

Yo dude, as an Imperial Fists player, I gotta ask about what you think an optimal loadout for that legion might be. I've already built a Storm Cannon x2 Heavy Flamers Leviathan Dread for the IF, and I'm unsure whether to add the Phosphex to it. Another commenter said they were making an All-Melee+Assault Cannon+Phosphex build, but I'm also interested in the Siege Claw/Melta/Phosphex variant. Which is better?

@Hearesy

4 ай бұрын

Assault cannons are a must take for IF. At least one melee weapon is generally best too. Outside of that, melta or stormcannon or second melee, and phosphex or not depending if you have points, are all fine choices.

@LordCrate-du8zm

3 ай бұрын

@@Hearesy Thank you so much!

I feel like if you get a Leviathan, you should get a second one in the same or a similar loadout, just to make sure your opponent can't just focus it down and make it fail to do anything as it slowly walks up the table.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

That goes for most things in optimised gaming so is great advice, depends if you want two slow behemohths in your army though!

@lesbianmorgoth652

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy very true! But if you don't want two giant, lumbering, atheist murder-cyborgs in your army, are you a true 30k enjoyer? ;P

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

I mean I have 2… :)

@lokalnyork

Жыл бұрын

Grab 2 kits - melee and shooty, then mix their weapons to your liking. Unless You're Iron Warrior, buy 3 dakka variants lol.

@jellydamgood

8 ай бұрын

​@@lokalnyorkno siege drill on the siege specialists?!

I have two, 2 grab flux bombards a claw and a siege claw… all magnetised thankfully. So sad to see how useless the grab is. Just have to wait for the separate weapon sprue to arrive.

Storm Cannon, Power Fist, and two Iliastus Assault Cannons is what I'm thinking for my bAngels..! Maybe two Storm Cannons if I'm going purely fire support. Expensive, but a lot of fun rolling all those dice, rending goes brrrrrt

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

And will look super cool converted!

@LordCrate-du8zm

4 ай бұрын

Nah, you gotta go the full Dakka Dread™ experience. TWO storm cannons and two Assault Cannons for the ultimate "mow down everything that has a pulse" experience.

Unfortunately, you can’t charge after arriving from deep strike out of a kharybdis. The assault vehicle rule specifically forbids it, strangely

You mention using Double Storm Cannon against Fellblades. Super Heavy vehicles are immune to all penetrating hit effects except Explodes.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Learn something new every day! The main point though, is that the Leviathan will knock 5hp off of one per turn on its own - thats a big chunk of HP off an expensive unit!

Quick question, how can a leviathan with 2 storm cannons glance a land raider when their armour value is 14 because you can't get a 7 on a dice and vehicles ignore rending?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Rending adds d3 pen to vehicles. Making autocannons actually very good anti armour weapons!

@mikesfilms9480

Жыл бұрын

​@@Hearesy thank you , didn't realise :)

how would you run the Leviathan in Dark Angels army?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Fist and stormcannon or fist and melta are my faves. This works just as well for DA I imagine!

another thing that works well to kill any dread is fleshbane, itll average 2 to 3 unsaved wounds from them.

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Fleshbane has to reroll successful wounds va dreads, although yes it is still better than most things!

@alecandre8740

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy oh I'm aware. It's still my go to for dreads. That 2 to 3 unsaved wounds was actually after the reroll has been calculated. Of course, this is being done with a 10 man Squad of blood angels Angels Tears. And not everyone has access to large amounts of fleshbane like that.

I'd assume it got the extra attack as both weapons don't have any special rules like Specialist Weapons? Don't think the Dreadnought rule cancels it either?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

The question is whether its intended that 2 melee weapons gives you a datasheet bonus and the 2 weapon bonus, or whether the datasheet bonus is ham-fisted “reminder text”. Who knows

@eater_of_garbage_

Жыл бұрын

Rules as written, they get an additional attack for having 2 weapons

Shit man I got the grav gun because I personally felt the melta was too much and the storm cannon was too little but that was just before 2.0 came out

Double melta and phosphex, Iron warriors advanced reaction, that's 16 melta shots and 2 blasts...!

Which legions get the most out of the leviathan? Iron warriors and who else?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Everyone does in different ways. Even legions where the trait doesnt benefit the dread, can use it for its effect on the table. Much deeper topic of discussion!

@batteredwarrior

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy it would actually really be cool to hear your opinion on how each legion would be best using Leviathans...

@WarmasterPainting

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy Agreed!

I can’t wait for my storm cannons, as an Imperial Fist player. Haha 2+ go brrrrrrrrrr

I'm going to mag mine, I do for everything.plus then I can share with my fw deathguard one too. I like the look of the claw and grav tho,bit yes it's stats aren't great. The drill seems abit lacklustre imo. The volkite calivers have same issue as the support unit. That gun needs a boost

@batteredwarrior

Жыл бұрын

*Abaddon ;-)

Argel Tal killed it in 1 melee phase with 3 instant deaths rolling 3s I got lucky

I am legitimately scared of this thing

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Its more scared of you than you are of it Maybe?

@jw7500

Жыл бұрын

@@Hearesy perhaps? Real talk tho, I don't think my current army can really deal with one, so I suppose kiting is my best option here?

@Hearesy

Жыл бұрын

Yeh. In the last 2 games I played it did nothing for 2 or 3 turns of the game. Obviously it exerted its presence and battlefield control and that has value, but it was played around by my opponents. Assuming I know what Im doing, that shows how easy it can be to play around. I wouldn’t have changed it in the list, because what it did was very important in terms of zoning. But you dont need to be able to kill it to deal with it is the point.

Got mine yesterday. It's a really nice model but my God it's a bit of a tedious build. I've built a LOT of models but my word. 😅

@eater_of_garbage_

Жыл бұрын

If you dont like the leviathan you should NOT touch the dreadknight, that kit makes me want to kill someone

@kavehrashid6342

Жыл бұрын

Oh god really? The rhino was annoying enough already!

@combatwombat2134

Жыл бұрын

@@kavehrashid6342 I must admit, I'm doing the Rhino now and it's also pretty bothersome. Loads of lines, doesn't fit particularly flush, pushing the floor panel in was a REALLY tight fit. The Levy went together fine for sure, just bitty with like 21 parts to the arm.

Also Leviathans are Heavy, so they can't run.

how to beat it just avoid it and kratos

@3v3rhard

Жыл бұрын

Rend, lightning claws, nemesis bolters all work great

@XxXchrisXxX78

Жыл бұрын

Anything with brutal

This has honestly made me rethink how i run my leviathan. And now i want to rip out my Levi’s volkite nipple guns. I think i’m going to go double melee.

@jellydamgood

8 ай бұрын

One year late, but I think the volkites are rated too low. Unless you are deep striking, there's a chance you are shooting nothing with your flamers the entire game, especially against shootier defensive armies what with the short short template and Levis being fat and slow. Compare 15 points for around 3 rounds of shooting 6 times (thats pretty much always gonna hit) versus 0 points for 0 shooting. I know which one I will pick.

@LordCrate-du8zm

4 ай бұрын

@@jellydamgood Imo the Volkites are situational at best and wasteful investments at worst. Certain armies like Blood Angels and Imperial Fists just have flat out better versions of them (assault cannons) and ranged-only Leviathans will benefit a LOT from having two powerful flamethrowers to use on enemies attempting to close the distance. If you _want_ a close combat leviathan to take them then they're good enough, since the shooting will probably help it hold its own against range. But then again, why the fuck would you take it against the flamers, who are optimized for close range combat?

@jellydamgood

4 ай бұрын

@@LordCrate-du8zm yea well, I'm not using the blessed legions with their fancy guns, nor is that the thing discussed here. And why will I take it over flamers? Because Levi dreads are fat asses that can't run and will get kited. 8 inchish flamers does not help with that, whereas a much longer ranged volkite allows you to chip away at enemy infantry. It's not that hard to kill an average of 2 Marines a turn with just the volkites alone, which already gives you back 20 points for your 15 points of investment in a single turn. While the nipple flamers will just sit there doing jackshit nothing for many turns while the fat dread gets kited. I'm not that great at math, but a 15 point investment that nets you 50-100 points in kills over a 0 point gun that gets you 20-40 points in kills seems better in every case. Of course you can invest 100+ points on dreadpods or dreadclaws instead, but then you run the risk of a bad deep strike and getting shot and assaulted before even doing anything. This is of course just my own experience punking flamer levis that ended up doing nothing because I kited them vs using my own volkite levis that actually caused enough of a distraction to force my enemies to divert resources against them, if you don't want to believe it, that's not my problem.