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@fasteddie9970

4 жыл бұрын

Two Cents Rugby Hmm why did I just go buy popcorn?

@ioanekoroivuki543

4 жыл бұрын

I was about to report you to the authorities!!! 😂😂😂 Great video with excellent stats. Very interesting indeed!

@MrFijibati

4 жыл бұрын

Well done mate, I applaud you for your honesty and bravery to address this online on your channel👍 Tier 1 countries have been POACHING a lot of youth players from Tier 2 countries for ages - World Rugby doesn't address this 🤔 Yet the same World Rugby have very STRICT eligibility laws to stop Tier 2 teams from using these same players after they have been discarded by Tier 1 teams 👎 Hence the unfair playing field 🌏

@Karma-qt4ji

4 жыл бұрын

@@fasteddie9970 Was thinking the same thing myself.... XD

@malcolm9650

4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video mate.

At this year's RWC there are 7 NZ coaches: Steve Hansen - NZ Joe Schmidt - Ireland Jamie Joseph - Japan Steve Jackson - Samoa John McKee - Fiji Milton Haig - Georgia Warren Gatland - Wales

@odinbiflindi

4 жыл бұрын

How many kiwi coaches? The answer is yes!!!.

@nahshondaniel5824

4 жыл бұрын

Lol. Clearly, only 3 of them are good

@DunedinDealer

4 жыл бұрын

thats just the head coaches I would be interested to know how many kiwis are coaching in total? i.e scrum coach, assistants etc

@bobbybobby3070

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah? How well do they run and tackle? How many South African are playing in overseas teams today - basically pulled out of our school boy system. And it grows. The best World Cup would basically be a South African overseas versus a Boks. That would be an interesting one. Sure we could have the South African overseas team coached by a Kiwi if you’d like .... I’m not being an asshole. I really think it’d be interesting

@malalford

4 жыл бұрын

@@bobbybobby3070 I think you mean OS NZ vs All Blacks, champ

15 south african rugby players have migrated to other countries to play rugby! just shows you the hardship in south africa

@kylevanvuuren4689

4 жыл бұрын

Congratulations to South Africa #2019 Rugby World Cup Champions🏆

@baileyobrien9501

9 ай бұрын

57 from nz (half have islanderparents) 15 from Australia (same as nz) 15 from Tonga

@AhmedAkoo-pn1lk

8 ай бұрын

Think it’s also got to do with how difficult it must be to get selected as a Springbok.

Oh, that jersey man!!!!! Classic!!! Uruguay and Argentina have a 100% home born players, Uruguay has a Argentinian coach. Thanks for the video!!

Hats off to you, for your bravery and honesty to address this on your channel 👍 Like many of your subscribers, I appreciate your hard work, ethics and integrity with the many relevant issues you address here on your rugby channel 🍺

@michaeldaly7630

4 жыл бұрын

True!

@chrismoore2178

4 жыл бұрын

Data driven presentation of the facts and very little opinion. Couldn't ask for more.

@richardpbullgarrard

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! I also appreciate your hard work putting this togather

Fiji'd have one hell (of an already more impressive) team if they could keep a hold of all of their talent.

@Me-ex7qg

4 жыл бұрын

Only so many wingers you can put in one team

I think anyone who has a parent from the country for which they play should be a non issue

@korro5870

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah...but what about those foreign players that are not naturalised citizens & parents do not have any link whatsoever to the country that they have chosen to play for?

@bremCZ

4 жыл бұрын

What if you're adopted and your birth mother and adopted mother are from different countries? Can you play for both plus the country you are a citizen?

@korro5870

4 жыл бұрын

@@bremCZ When someone is adopted, the person becomes a naturalised citizen of the country of his/adoption. However, you still cannot rule out the biological issues. With the scenario you have highlighted, I dont see any issues choosing to play for any of those three places. But RWC rule is strict on that. For that, you have to be a citizen of the country that you are representing. Some countries accepts dual citizenship and this gives the players the opportunity to choose which country they want to play for.

@bremCZ

4 жыл бұрын

@@korro5870 In this case it isn't international adoption but the mothers are both from different countries.

@korro5870

4 жыл бұрын

@@bremCZ ....I dont think there is a problem with that. Some countries have provisional clauses in their immigration Act....particularly if your mother is a citizen of that country...the law allows you to stay in the country because you are a child of someone that is a citizen of that particular country. Choice will be on the child to choose where to play and which country to represent. Just sayin...someone might disagree

Very interesting. Thank you for taking the time to put that together.

NZ pumping out players and coaches. This Manu Samoa fan is grateful 🤙🏽

@daywalkernightwalker6671

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers brother, Manu Samoa is a great side, they will cause an upset forsure in the RWC. Malo sale.

@dxfifa

4 жыл бұрын

Most Samoans aren't so humble about rugby. They'd tell you samoans making nz rugby stronger not nz giving samoans the chance to show their talent and improve

@bremCZ

4 жыл бұрын

@@dxfifa Most Samoans are that humble, they just arent the loud ones.

@toomuch9762

4 жыл бұрын

And none of them natives 😂😂

@bremCZ

4 жыл бұрын

@@toomuch9762 How do you define a native?

I'd say qualifying through family is perfectly fine. Family carries a lot of culture and pride regardless of where you are/are born.

@Desh282

4 жыл бұрын

I’m russia , my wife is Ukrainian I will always tell my kids they are Slav

Very interesting video, well thought out & delivered. I enjoyed watching it, cheers.

Also, there is a distinction between residency and nationality. I know the residency is how they qualify, but nationality is a huge step to take in life , and I think must change the argument slightly, too. But good vid, mate. Liked it.

How insane is your Sub growth you were on !6k yesterday and 16.2 k today, welldone, you deserve it for your good work.

3 Zimbabweans. More than any other country not in the world cup. Zimbabwe was Africa's number 2 rugby nation once.

@daaichommie708

4 жыл бұрын

And had a pretty competitive cricket team once upon a time.

@MrBlurbman

4 жыл бұрын

My birth country, now I am in SA. Zimbabweans are wonderful people and deserve a better freedom than they got.

@frankie7529

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrBlurbman Zimbabwe Sables won the Victoria Cup last weekend. They're back up to third in Africa but still a long way from qualifying for a Rugby World Cup.

@devinerentalsltd8708

4 жыл бұрын

My sister in law lived there as a kid she told us about hiding in the back of a Ute to get across to South Africa cos there farm was getting taken and they were afraid for there lives. Not cool.

@garthfairfield8357

4 жыл бұрын

Zim is finished nobody cares

You are the best Rugby content creator. Hands down Kiwi Legend.

Another great video covering another hot topic about international rugby, deserve all the views and subscribers you're getting!

thank you for clarifying what is actually happening in terms of numbers of foreign players.

Never had a problem with it. CJ Stander played hard for us in Ireland for years and was thrilled to be able to play for the international's! Went out of his way, learnt the national anthem and (at least acts like) he's proud to be playing for us!

I love your videos mate! Very objective which is the best form of reporting and analysis!

Perhaps the most interesting video I've ever seen you create! Loved it, very interesting to see Tonga and Samoas squads

I was wondering if I had come to the right video. There was a distinct lack of bins and magnets. Nice jersey choice by the way 😉

South africa is actually a part of Edinburgh, to the east of Leith

@garethbennett3780

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

@rockinrollinntrollin616

4 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised S A could field a team,considering 55 are killed a day in Cape Town ?

@MrBlurbman

4 жыл бұрын

LOL I love that comment. A reflection of the times we live in, and in those terms a bit sad too.

@scottwarwick7514

4 жыл бұрын

Rockin Rollin n Trollin Yeah next joke 😂

@Mile.HighMoto

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Warwick South Africa has one of the highest murder rates so I wish it was a joke :(

Thats some good work mate, valuable insight

You’re amazing :) thanks for the intelligent and respectful approach to what can be a nasty topic in rugby, I hope you get a million views 😂👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

You can tell DTH Van def Merwe was born in South Africa, that’s why he’s our best player 😂

@johnmacdonald9861

4 жыл бұрын

You say that, but he actually played loads of formative rugby in Canada, hence why he picked them.

@miklmiklmtrcycl6009

4 жыл бұрын

FAST EDDIE he moved with his family as a teen. Not quite the same as the islander and SA phenomenon. But yes it’s not a coincidence I’m sure that he’s probably our best. 🇨🇦

@miklmiklmtrcycl6009

4 жыл бұрын

Van der Merwe was born in Worcester, South Africa. And took up rugby at the age of five, eventually making the Boland U-16 squad. Van der Merwe and his family emigrated from South Africa to Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada in 2003. He attended Dr. Martin LeBoldus High School and played for the Rogues Rugby Club where he made the Saskatchewan U-18 and U-21 rugby teams and the Prairie Fire of the now defunct Rugby Canada Super League.[1] In 2005 van der Merwe moved to Victoria, British Columbia where he joined the storied James Bay Athletic Association of the British Columbia Premier League. Van der Merwe would go on to win Provincial Championships in 2006, 2007, and 2008 as well as the National Championship in 2007.[2]

@Luka_WiFi

4 жыл бұрын

Star

So in other words new zealand will win the world cup somehow 😂😂😂

@TazKiKr

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe if you add Zimbabwe..... as in: For sure a New Zealander or Zimbabwean will touch the World Cup in the end.

@rothnieoosthuizen3728

4 жыл бұрын

Unless the Boks somehow manage to win it.

@Pete-qo7bv

4 жыл бұрын

Rothnie Oosthuizen The Boks could very well win it. Should be the final anyway!!! What a final that would be!!

@II_4_R_Z_II

4 жыл бұрын

Kiwipete they already lost their first game so I don’t think so

@Pete-qo7bv

4 жыл бұрын

II_4_R_Z_II France lost to NZ in the group stages in 2011. Then they played in the final.

Amazing video, thanks for this content.

great video as always!

As an Irishman I suppose that technically its possible that I might possibly feel slightly more of a connection if Mick O'Leprechaun and Paddy McShamrock played at 8 and 12 for Ireland but I have to say that I'm perfectly OK with the work and commitment being shown by Stander and Aki in the green jersey......

@eoinbarry5162

4 жыл бұрын

Ha your funny c'mon the boys in green!!!

@DarthVizzle

4 жыл бұрын

Bundy Aki always makes me laugh when I see him in an Irish jersey lol

@cremedelacreme12

4 жыл бұрын

You may be an Irishman but something in your speak makes me think ur descendant from our good Neighbours over the Irish Sea🙌

@ILoveDawko

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarthVizzle Why? There are plenty of people who are Irish and look like him

@stephenhayes487

4 жыл бұрын

Bob N Good??? Get of here man

I do not see a problem if a player is born outside the country they play for as long as they got citizenship. It happens in all sports.

@thesaint8400

4 жыл бұрын

As long as it's kept in check.

Very good report, deserves a subscription and thumbs up mate.

Great breakdown so happy to have randomly found this channel. A happy sub here.

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers man glad you found it!

I appreciate the research you did for this video. Enjoying the content. My take is if no rules are broken lets focus on the Rugby and enjoy the World Cup. May the best team win! Go the All Blacks!

Always a touchy subject. Thanks for weighing in.

Fantastic video!

Great video, very informative, thank you

Incredible research thanks for the vid. Good work

Sergio parisse Played in my team "Universitario La Plata" (from Argentina) Great work man, very interesting!!! :D

I appreciate you pronouncing the fijian names correctly, a lot of people can't seem to read although its very easy. Interesting video too

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate I do try to get the names right, people help me in the comments when I'm struggling so it's really helpful too

This was an awesome vid, definitely subscribing, looking forward to more content

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it mate

A big reason for the Wales England rivalry is that we often share a player pool.

Hi mate, great video [as usual] re Argentine & Uruguay born players are all born in either country. Probably ancestors may have been foreign though how many generations back who knows. All Argentine players were born, raised, started at rugby clubs here. ie: myself got European ancestors though 3 to 5 generations here (since 1920 and back to 1854). Cheers

amazing work mate ! very interesting !

Subscribed for that lengthy analysis

Never overlook the fact that some children are relocated at a young age with the intention of developing their Rugby skills to play for that national side in the future. It's not as simple as being a kid who moves somewhere and coincidentally becomes good at rugby. This is planned and executed, and that's why it's top rugby playing nation's who have a lot of talent playing for other nations.

I keep forgetting that Tendai Mtawarira was born in Zimbabwe.

Great video, i really enjoyed it

That was a good breakdown bro. Good work.

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

If a grandparent or parent was from another country, no problems

The only time I got upset about foreign born players was when Argentina was beaten by Italy 20 odd years ago and every single point was scored by an Argentine born player. To me that was excessive, and given that Argentina was a relatively poor rugby nation at the time, it made you wonder what they could have managed if they had all that talent pooled in one team rather than 2.

@BIGZY777

4 жыл бұрын

@chilukar I get what you are saying but more Argentines have Italian blood in them due to their grandparents, so even though they are born in Argentina, they’re Italian as well.

@Chilukar

4 жыл бұрын

@@BIGZY777 I get that completely- I have 3 nationalities, including Argentine. It is just that none of them are Italian! 😂😂😂 Even non Italian multiculturals can be biased and passionate... we are just better at recognising it!

Great video!

Great viideo ... very interesting.,.. keep up the good work !

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

A good take. Reflects the long standing economic migration pattens of the South Pacific to nz and oz

@hanoitripper1809

4 жыл бұрын

Kris Auakepopole haha yeh.. I was in Mangere a few months ago. All samoan music and foods.. Playing the siva Samoa in the local shopping area with ppl dancing .. was pretty cool, similar to west Sydney

@hanoitripper1809

4 жыл бұрын

That’s it! i used to go to the mt druitt samoan church. Everything west of parra is league territory. NSW & ARU dropped the ball badly in promoting union there. So many ozzy born Islander boys growin up in the west but they’re into league.. panthers and doggies haha

@bensmith9984

4 жыл бұрын

@@hanoitripper1809 ARU dropped the ball in the entire country outside of private schools.

@mra6308

4 жыл бұрын

@Eddie M Its not extreme however Pacific islanders have a very high chance of succeeding in rugby than any other race here in NZ when you put it in stats.

@hanoitripper1809

4 жыл бұрын

Yep heaps

You missed how the vunipolas grew up in wales. Mako vunipola still has the welsh accent.

@sceett

4 жыл бұрын

Ceidonianphysicist yeah but then with the amount of Wales players actually born in England I think you can give the Vunipola Bros a pass, plus they went to secondary school in England, Near Bristol.

@SolarMumuns

4 жыл бұрын

They were born in Oz and NZ, went to primary in Wales and Secondary in England. Oh, and George North qualifies for England (English mum, I believe) in case you're interested...

@SolarMumuns

4 жыл бұрын

Oh and Ross Moriarty won he U20 World Cup with England

@peteryoungpeteryoung965

4 жыл бұрын

@@SolarMumuns England's rugby squad have 6 foreign born players from all over the world. You heard on this vid that most of Wale's foreign players were born in England of Welsh parents which is a completely different thing. Only Parkes is a converted foreigner. I live in a border town on the English/Welsh border. Half of the population consider themselves Welsh the other half English. I'm Welsh, my wife is English, one of my lads chose to play rugby for Welsh schoolboys the other for English Counties. You get a lot of this in what is, let's face it a very flakey border. I think if players want to wear the shirt, that's good enough. The greatest example of foreign born players winning a World Cup is the England ODI cricket team.

@peteryoungpeteryoung965

4 жыл бұрын

@@SolarMumunsBTW, Ross Moriarty was born in St Helens because his dad Paul from Swansea and also a Welsh cap, was playing league at the time, I don't think that makes Ross English, he would knock you out if you accused him of that. England dumped him, you can't blame him for that.

Great video! As an Australian born rugby fan living in Japan, with 2 children of mixed race (one born in Australia and one here) I am really happy to see this issue being discussed, especially with such honesty and integrity. Of course every country and every player has their own story and situation. I think many foreigners trying to integrate into a new country may enjoy the familiarity of rugby and the opportunity to meet people in similar social situations. In the case of Japan I think the complexity of rugby and the necessity of co-operative play in almost every aspect of it means that the sport would not prosper here without the impact and influence of players with international experience. Universities have a big role to play but elementary and high schools rarely have grassed grounds instead having, large sand baseball fields. Nevertheless the sport is really growing and more and more often you can see people wearing Japanese rugby jerseys and junior rugby clubs practicing on weekends. It will be interesting to reflect on the statistics in the video in 10 years time.

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate yeah it was an interesting look and sure isn't as black and white as it often gets made out to be. You're right that in a couple of world cups from now it'll be really interesting to revisit

It's to be expected that England have high numbers of foreign born players, being the 'mother country' and all. Same with Pac islanders moving to NZ, and vica versa. Great content again mate 👍

as someone born and raised in England, i would still call myself south african, as that is where my entire ancestry is from. If I was any good at rugby, i would want to play for the springboks, not England. This is most likely the case for a lot of foreign-born players, you may be raised somewhere, but you may feel a stronger connection and pride for the country of your ancestors

@shaneosullivan3358

4 жыл бұрын

But if you were from Uruguay playing in England you'd want to play for England if you were good enough

@clemfandango619

4 жыл бұрын

Are there many South African Bushmen in England?

@Finderskeepers.

4 жыл бұрын

Thats your choice and one I respect. Billy Vunipola is a perfect and complex example. Born is Australia and the son of a tongan international playing for england where he moved to as a kid. For these guys its a career and job not just national pride. Keep it simple, subject to the soon to be improved residence rules, let the player choose.

@DarthVizzle

4 жыл бұрын

100% agree. I was born in NZ to full blooded Māori parents and moved to Australia when I was 14 I could never be anything else other than Kiwi. Even though I have now spent more of my life here in Australia I spent my formative years living and loving my NZ culture and heritage. Let the players choose I say..

@ET-jv1wm

4 жыл бұрын

@MrLolmaster101 No, that's Bullshit! The original white settlers in the Cape were Dutch. But subsequent waves of immigration by British and European settlers means that the white population is of fairly mixed heritage. You will find lots of French, Scottish, Irish, Portuguese, Lebanese and Welsh surnames among the Dutch and English name's

I am Khoisan. I have been in South Africa for 100,000 years. The rest of you are latecomers and should be playing for Netherlands, France, England or Congo. Residency should be 50 generations minimum.

@TazKiKr

4 жыл бұрын

Instead of everyone playing the Barbarians at the end of the year a bigger feature will be the match against the England Prison team. BTW, its been a while since I last laughed at a comment like I did at yours. Well done!

@rockinrollinntrollin616

4 жыл бұрын

If that was the case KING K C there would not be RUGBY in SA ...just inter tribal dead bodies ..you guys been killing each other off for 100,000 years ..be thankful for slavery ? and BOER intervention ? ps ..climb down off your high Ostrich... I'm a mixed blood Aeoteraroian ...!

@frankie7529

4 жыл бұрын

@@reese8097 we don't own the mud, we belong to the mud, but you colonisers wouldn't understand that. You think you own whatever land you land on. The earth is just a dead thing you can claim. But I know every rock and tree and creature, has a life has a spirit has a name.

Solid breakdown of the Aussie situation!!

Good show mate, now everyone can stop whinging about ring ins. Looks pretty fair to me

Love these stats man. It puts ignorant people to bed.

@DunedainAkkarin

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's a lot like the general immigration "issue" that a lot of people are upset about. When you actually look at the facts, things aren't the way they are portrayed.

It is controversial, but a lot of guys from SA either moved to their new country when they were young or went looking for better opportunities. So what! These guys are good enough for this level and we should celebrate their talent! I'm happy for any guy making it to the big stage!!

Great video man. Have to feel for Fiji with the amount of players who are playing they're rugby elsewhere. You wonder how much better they'd be if they could've held onto their players.

@Kodiak1234

4 жыл бұрын

Carl Rochford in the rugby league internationals, the players can choose who they play for.... ie a lot of Aussie born/raised islanders play for their family’s countries - and Tonga beat Great Britain a couple of days ago

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@angusabrahams2647

4 жыл бұрын

Lol...

@Finderskeepers.

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the top 3 teams are southern hemisphere- Maybe I shouldnt feed the troll but he looks hungry.

@torejungle7492

4 жыл бұрын

@@Finderskeepers. yes but a lot of their players are of European heritage

@Rorogee1

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@maaori95

4 жыл бұрын

ToRe Jungle Because of colonisation

I had no idea Blade Thompson was playing for Scotland, that dude is awesome, should have been an all Black

Im pretty happy that south Africa is almost 100% local, coaches included

@SaffaGains

2 жыл бұрын

Beast came from Zimbabwe. Otherwise 100%

Very interesting work, and well presented. I found this interesting from academic/pure interest perspective only and appreciate the way it hasn’t been phrased in a “political” way IE in not making character judgements of the players in question.

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

Two Cents, very courageous of you to breech this topic, right in the middle of the RWC! But as we have come to appreciate from your channel, an excellent and very objective presentation. Im a SA expat living in Canada, and the system followed by the National Hockey League, and International hockey bodies, seems the way to go: Players are bought and sold amongst the professional club teams. So it is totally acceptable that the Vancouver Canucks have three Swedes, a Russian or two, one Swiss, a Finn, two or three Americans and actually also a few Canadians, but at the Olympic Games and the World Cup, national teams consist of players of their team's nationality. Why would that be so hard for Rugby to emulate?!

Nice jersey!!! Thanks! ☺😆 Vaaaamos Puummmaaasssss!!

Can I assume that all those against players not 'from' the country they play for, are also against all players not 'from' the geographical boundaries of the club they play for? If yes, good for you, you're consistent and not hypocritical. Personally I'm fine with whatever the current rules of World Rugby are. They probably know a bit more about the good of the sport and promoting it worldwide than I do.

@oldoddjobs

Жыл бұрын

Clubs are professional, international teams are not. There, that wasn't so hard.

awsome vid bro churr

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers man

A cool fact about Shannon Frizell is that his older brother Tyson plays for Australia in RL

Love the Argentine Jersey lad!

When The 1014 interviewed Warren Gatland he stated that he would often select English born players who showed the right potential early in order to beat England to it. And as an Englishman I don’t blame him.

Hey man thanks for the video, had some questions after looking at the Japanese squad, but now it totally makes sense. Being South African, I cant throw any stones about playing for foreign teams, as it seems that South Africans are all over the world. But that is actually a different discussion about equal opportunity. I think it is a positive thing to have the big rugby nations export skills to other countries, it picks up the overall skill level of the teams, closing the huge gap between the smaller teams and bigger ones. It also develops the skills of the actual local players and can only be a positive thing for rugby. It does need to be kept in control so that rugby doesn't become pay-to-win. But the skills these players bring to the smaller teams are incredible and MUST have a positive impact on the local level.

@stephanuhu963

4 жыл бұрын

You make a valid point - it is certainly good for rugby as a sport if SA, NZ and Fijian talent plays worldwide, but in my opinion only up to the professional club levels. National teams should be composed of players who have come up in that nation, since at least high school (say Grade 10?).

Your views are blowing bro

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

The foreign born ones always do, not sure what it is about that topic

However you spin it for a small combined population NZ, Fiji, Tonga and Samoa produce alot of great rugby players.

@davidverster9523

4 жыл бұрын

Only NZ..the rest are plain rubbish

@YourDadUsi

4 жыл бұрын

@@kiwino187 stfu take all the Poly's out of the the AB team & you'll see how much it makes a difference

@britvroman

4 жыл бұрын

That's cause nobody else plays rugby so those small countries like Samoa and Fiji seem to do well. If countries like Canada and Russia took rugby seriously they would be a major powerhouse.

@AllstarsWINSON

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidverster9523 . NZ just now started to produce home grown players. Comment is full of narrow kiwi thinking

@richardscanlan3419

4 жыл бұрын

@@YourDadUsi not as much as u might think.

I would love to see pacific island nations compete as one team, like the west indies do in cricket. I know it didnt work last time but if they had proper commitment it would be amazing to see just for one world cup even.

@Schnitz13

4 жыл бұрын

Too far apart compared to the Windies, where flights to train on another island can be measured in minutes, not hours or days.

In Ireland we call them Project Players and they are selectively vetted by the IRFU to fill gaps in our strength in depth and also to pass on skills and experiences to the locals.

Nice pumas gear mate!!! ;)

Yup there are more Pacific Islanders living in NZ than there is in the islands

@DefKiller90

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't that old news

@burtcokain8439

4 жыл бұрын

@j t Maori are Polynesians. We just left the islands a few hundred years earlier.

tonga and samoa is basiacally new zealand/Australia b teams

@NathanMcClintock

4 жыл бұрын

Kinda not. ABs beat Tonga by ~90 points. A NZ B or C team would come much closer most likely within 10.

@joshchalmers1485

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah something seriously needs to be done. Its a money thing Rugby union need to figure away to keep players from crossing into different countries to even out the game..

@mik23nh97

4 жыл бұрын

Naaaa

@willliam1343

4 жыл бұрын

Not even close. A nz b team would thrash most other teams. Tonga and samoa are usless

@willliam1343

4 жыл бұрын

@Vibrant - seriously🤨

It doesn't matter where you are born but our love and passions for the sport is the most important thing. It's a privilege and honour to see our island boys representing big countries around the world. That's respect and great blessings for our boys and we are so thankful for those countries for letting our boys to represent their countries especially New Zealand and Australia. Well as we always say in the islands... JUST SMASH THEM BRO....GO HARD MANU....

Numbers are interesting, never knew this. Do you have a video on each players nationality?

With over 100 caps for the bokke we claim the Beast as our own 💪😁🙌

Two important things to note: 1. Firstly the obvious fact that every country in the world fields foreign-born players given the chance (so there's no point anyone taking the moral high-ground). 2. Only 4.35% of players in the entire tournament are "recent immigrants" (in this case, I've taken that to mean they moved to the country within the past ten years and had no recent ancestry/family there) Flip that stat around, and you find that at least 95% of players in the world cup could genuinely be considered "homegrown". Even for Japan (the country with the most players qualified on residency), half of their foreign-born players have lived there for more than ten years or have Japanese ancestry. In any other country, they'd be considered as legitimate as David Pocock or Manu Tuilagi. TL;DR: I don't think the whole residency thing is as much of a problem as people think it is.

@MeanAzz_13

4 жыл бұрын

Tell that to 66 Test Veteran Devon Toner who got swapped for what's his name from South Africa. The real reason why N.H teams have improved since last 10 years is S.H *influence* players coaches etc..

@calebpower8648

4 жыл бұрын

@@MeanAzz_13 Jean Kleyn

@LeagueUnionSevens

4 жыл бұрын

@@MeanAzz_13 1. Toner's not that good. Yes he's got 66 caps but that's mostly because Ireland hasn't had much depth at lock since Paul O'Connell and Donnacha O'Callaghan retired. 2. We (NZ) do it too; in the past few years we've fielded Naholo, Fekitoa, Tamanivalu, Fifita, Frizzell and Reece all within 5 years of their arrival to NZ. These guys also took up spots that could've gone to homegrown players, like James Lowe or Ben Lam. So don't throw stones from glass houses. 3. You have a point with coaches, but nobody's debating that NZ produces good coaches (Eddie Jones is pretty solid too). At the end of the day, this has nothing to do with the topic of the video, which is player residency.

@franksmith8364

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah the wallabies also got a few locals guys who missed out to recent 5 ~ year arrivals, Fiji number 8, plus Tupou & Koroibete are in, but they’re all better than local dudes in those positions I would say

Hey! good job! One of the rare who didn't count 6 foreigners in France rugby team, as two are from New Caledonia (Mauvaka and Vahaamahina) and it's a French department.

@TwoCentsRugby

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, to be honest I made that mistake once before with Vahaamahina and some French guys corrected me 😅

I haven’t played or followed rugby since high school but well done on the thorough research and your presentation is excellent. Unfortunately rugby is dying in Aus, it’s mainly private schools producing tier 1 talent here. Semi private high schools barely play and public schools dont have teams

I think they need to get rid of grandparent eligiblity

@etiennen4136

4 жыл бұрын

And for New Zealand about 2-3 generation. That should upset the Apple cart. Take a second and think about the meaning of this and the end result.

I remember when the accusation was that NZ had all PI-born players and the No. 1 example given was Jonah. :lol:

@itspeacethatmakesplenty.1923

4 жыл бұрын

Auckland is the biggest polynesian city in the world!

@silversolver7809

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I always thought that too, just going on the player names. Nice to see this breakdown, good video and good balanced presentation.

@bodybalanceU2

4 жыл бұрын

yes the NH media/fans refused to believe Jonah was born in Auckland - he had to be born in Tonga as that fitted their nz poaching narrative

@silversolver7809

4 жыл бұрын

@@bodybalanceU2 No, no-the reason was that when Jonah went past defenders, it totally looked just like island hopping. RIP Jonah.

@bodybalanceU2

4 жыл бұрын

@@silversolver7809 grasping for straws my comment stands

You should do a "How many Rugby World Cup Coaches are from New Zealand?" :D

Fascinating

'After he was able to vote, age' 🤣

So the countries accused most often of poaching, NZ & England, actually have fewer foreign born than most in their squads AND have more of their players 'adopted' by other countries than any other?

@watkinsrory

4 жыл бұрын

Thats the current situation. There are time when they have a large number of player that are or were non nationals.

@xeftones

4 жыл бұрын

England with 20% foreign players is still rather high.

@diggis79

4 жыл бұрын

@@watkinsrory That has never really been the case in NZ. We have a lot of players with non-NZ heritage (heck, technically most of the All Blacks, given only the Maori players can truely claim NZ Heritage), however we've only fielded 83 (as of 2014) foreign born players. A good read by the NZ herald on it: www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11278276

@watkinsrory

4 жыл бұрын

@@diggis79 Well compare those figures to say SA or ARG and then ask yourself if thats a lot or not.

@pistolfish8688

4 жыл бұрын

@@diggis79 Are you saying only Maori can claim to be New Zealanders?

Great video and idea, very well done. I would very much like to see this redone with NZ being Samoa, tonga and fiji....all considered as New zealand coz lets be real... they are kiwis. New zealand is literally pacific islands, including NZ as a pacific island.

I'm a bit late but just came across this video now. Excellent video TC, great stats and breakdown. Things that this video tells me : - The rest of the world wants NZ's surplus Rugby players. And the main reason that other countries want NZ players is because of their quality. You can explain most of the other countries losing players who were born in their country by other logic. For example, most young fella's who have Irish parents but are born in England would chose to play for Ireland over England. Kryan Bracken was the exception in the 90s but it would be very hard for a 1st generation Irish kid to chose wearing the 3 lions jersey if wearing a green jersey was an option. It happens more in soccer but thats cos Ireland is crap at Soccer so its a career decision. Even more so for Scottish lads, most Scottish lads would be dis-owned and dis-inherited if they told their parents that they wanted to play for England. - Economics plays such a large part in what's happening. If you look at the cold figures you would think that Samoa and Tonga are "stealing" Australian and NZ players. But most/all of their foreign players are really native and I sense that they are very patriotic (love their own/parents country) and go back to play for their "home" country for this reason. - I actually thought that the number of foreign born players for NZ would have been higher, based on what you hear in the media in the NH. According to the stats here, it would seem that Australia is a bigger culprit for stealing the pacific Island nations players. - Japan as I suspected is pretty much buying a top tier Rugby team. The US to a lesser degree. It might in the long term help the development of the game in these countries because success breeds success but only time will tell. Japan beating ZA in the previous world cup and then the great run they had in 2019 should see more indigenous Japanese players in the 2023 squad. I'm not sure that is going to happen, I think that the Yen will mean that even in 2023 a very high percentage of the Japan team will be made up of non-Japanese players. For me, I think if an athlete goes to secondary school (high-school aged 12 to 16) in a country then they should be eligible to play for that country. This in my opinion, should be the residency rule. adult athletes who move to a different country to make a living with a club shouldn't really qualify to play for that countries national side. I also think that if you chose to work abroad that this should not prevent you from qualifying to play for your home country. Playing professional club Rugby is a job, where you chose to reside while doing that job shouldn't be an issue. Zebo going to France should not have made him in-eligible to play for Ireland. One of the negatives of allowing "foreign" players to play for the national side is that it deters some of the native "possible's" or "probable's" from choosing to pursuer Rugby to the highest level. "Why bother breaking my balls to try and one day play for Ireland if when push comes to shove, my position is given to a Kiwi who might never get the chance to play for the ABs.". Obviously, I love that Ireland is considered one of the top Rugby nations at the moment, but I'm not sure I'm 100% happy that we have so many foreign players. I'm glad that the residency rules have become tougher but I still think that 5 years is too easy. If you haven't really got an allegiance to the country then you shouldn't be representing them in my opinion. I would expect that Ireland will soon be fielding players whose parents are from Poland, Latvia, Lithuania but as long as they attended secondary school in Ireland I don't see an issue.

@TwoCentsRugby

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah man there are a lot of factors at play with this issue. It's never as black and white as some headlines would have you believe! There's a Tongan born player in the ABs now. Spotted by a NZ high school when he was 15 and brought over on a rugby contract. Now he's playing for the ABs. Is that a poach? Certainly was picked up due to his natural talent. But that's 8 years or so of development the NZ system has put in...... I could really argue it either way!

Like English Premier League Should b called the Foreign Legion.

Good analysis of explaining the All Blacks stats as it's true alot of our polynesian players are born in New Zealand and go back 3 or more generations. Credit to the wonderful melting pot our country is proud of.

Marika Koriobete came to the Wallabies via the nrl so almost an accident he was eligible more of a convenience for Australia that he was in the nrl.

Not all the time, but if you are living in another country since you were 15 or 16 years old while being an athlete, it's pretty normal that it's because of the sport. I'm from Argentina, and a lot of people leave the country and go to Europe to play football, rugby or some other sport, and some of them get to stay.

@LeagueUnionSevens

4 жыл бұрын

It is, but that doesn't mean they can't hold that national allegiance. If a player moves to a country at age 15, by the time he's 25 he's lived there for ten years and a significant part of his growth both as a rugby player and a person has been shaped by his adopted country. It doesn't seem fair to disallow him from representing them

@Tu_Kivensito_Bombon

4 жыл бұрын

@@LeagueUnionSevens oh yeah you are right, I'm not against of it, if they have the chance to play there it's cool for them. Just pointing out that some of those player who move to those countries, is because they want to play the sport there.