I just realized I didn’t say “Itesodadae”

@tyrantishrl

Ай бұрын

:(

@xxx333mmm

29 күн бұрын

wtf ritard

@tferuh

26 күн бұрын

Your video lacks "objectivity". Every GM in the world, can explain his thinking process and give you a few "variations" of a specific position.

@timopint1125

22 күн бұрын

change the titel....everyone expected a comp different video...

@TrggrWarning

18 күн бұрын

What is chess?

As a statistician I hate the internet and everyone here

@Pootie_Tang

2 күн бұрын

overall, in my experience of dealing with chess players, they are usually not very smart or decent people at all away from a chess board, and the better the player - the more it is obvious. Not the absolute universal rule, of course, but the tendency is there. To not freak out the statistician in you - those are mine anecdotal encounters, of course =) But gladly, the most vocal part of people (like here in comments) is not a correct representation of the overall average opinion

Have no idea why YT recommended this to me but it was great.

@bakters

23 күн бұрын

I do have an idea why. Unfortunately, no relevant soccer analogy comes to mind, so that's all I can tell you.

@Bettercraz

21 күн бұрын

Yup same

@bakters

21 күн бұрын

@@juliuscaesar8163 Yeah, that's interesting stuff. Anyway, my qrd: Nieman *is* a cheater, nobody so far can prove it to him. A guy like Randi would easily challenge him, but unfortunately, he passed away some years ago. Well, there are other magicians with equal skill. However, they don't seem to care as much.

@Onts123

19 күн бұрын

​@@baktersI think Podolski said this once (maybe I'm wrong and it was somebody else): "Soccer is like chess, albeit without dices."

@Horneycorn

17 күн бұрын

Same. And I don’t even play chess..😅

I was the checker champion of my 3rd grade class.

@yourfreewindows10upgradeis8

12 күн бұрын

I was the 2nd at the same tournament

@jeremyg8286

11 күн бұрын

Cheater. You have a morse code pencil in your shoe or what? Tell us how you did it!

@gsam3461

8 күн бұрын

Admit it- you just played checkers as an excuse for the anal beads

@crazychicken8290

7 күн бұрын

@@jeremyg8286 the checkers speak for itself

@anitashukla9475

6 күн бұрын

​@@crazychicken8290😂😂

Hans interview at Sinqfield didnt do him any favours. He said he cheated online only in unrated games so he could get his rating up to play stronger players. Wtf. He also lied about the number of times he cheated which turned out to be a lot more than he admitted too. When you have a track record of cheating and lying its not surprising that a lot of people wont trust you again.

@jr6200

2 ай бұрын

Just because he cheated so much doesn't mean he might be cheating . . . I mean uih

@declaredjeans7555

2 ай бұрын

​@@jr6200That's true, but after cheating and lying to the extent he has, it's no surprise people don't trust him. He can't expect people to just forget that he has admitted to cheating.

@QuinnBeckley

Ай бұрын

adding on to this, taking past events into account can help predict future events (inductive reasoning) but saying "he cheated before therefore he's cheating now" is a fallacy that i think too many people fell into. it's not about whether you trust him to not cheat it's about whether he actually cheated. and as more evidence came out (mostly the stuff in this video) it became more apparent that the entire chess world jumped the gun on this. the definitive answer wasn't about the trust of top gm's

@xxxpyrosxxx

Ай бұрын

​@@jr6200 if your partner admits to have cheated in the past, it does not mean they are cheating right now... However, it means they have it in them to cheat. Some people do not do it by principle. Others will do it, because they are put into a situation where they feel like they need or want to. This is how i see it. I would never date a person who cheated, just because i am aware they have the capacity to cheat instead of talking to me. I would not want to play against a person like that as well. Just because you can never be sure, and, at your lowpoints it will fk with your head.

@Cilent__

Ай бұрын

​@@xxxpyrosxxxDoesn't that also mean that they'll also actually be honest and tell you they cheated? You can't take the "they cheated, so they can do it again" part and leave out "when they cheated they admitted it". Meaning there would be no need for accusations or speculation because they'll say they did it.

That Botez clip really illustrates what the mindset was around this situation. He’s either the best or he cheated. And he can’t be the best bc Magnus is the best and he clearly cheated bc how could Magnus make a mistake. Like idk how this entire community just immediately snapped on this dude because their top player lost.

@allancouceiro9255

4 ай бұрын

is it because Hans himself admitted to cheating in online games? Once a cheat, always a cheat.

@chesneytube1

4 ай бұрын

Magnus loses all the time and no-one snaps. They snapped because behind the scenes he'd got a massive reputation for cheating.

@allancouceiro9255

4 ай бұрын

@@chesneytube1 Hans has a reputation for cheating, because Hans even admitted to cheating. There is no mystery or conspiracy here.

@chesneytube1

4 ай бұрын

@@allancouceiro9255yup

@jdudbdjxb7687

4 ай бұрын

​@allancouceiro9255 But it's OTB? I agree that people should be suspicious, but the game people are worried about is the one where they have admitted there's little to no evidence of cheating. It seems more like a cope to me despite the cheating online

"Chess speaks for itself" -famous last words

@mutedmutiny9542

16 күн бұрын

By that logic, when you beat the best player and lose to everyone else, then yeah it does speak for itself, it says you cheated.

@MrAlexanderLang

12 күн бұрын

@@mutedmutiny9542 Best player in the world GAVE UP he didn't continue to play i'm sure Magnus would've wiped floors with him had he continued to play that match but for some reason he DIDN'T WANT TO, also he left the tournament calming cheating was the reason my 2 cents is that he for whatever reason didn't want to play that tournament and found an excuse, Hans won fair game but Magnus then turned around and said "well he must have cheated" i say that's bullshit just because your expectations and reality didn't match does not mean Hans cheated.

@mutedmutiny9542

12 күн бұрын

@@MrAlexanderLang like I said it speaks for itself. So I guess he can only beat the best player in the world, not anyone else? Lmao doesn’t pass the smell test

@Louisiana1975

9 күн бұрын

It was so pretentious & douchy...

What frustrates me about videos like this is while the OP is being critical of all these people being so "obviously illogical", like 1 second later they will say things like "this rules out cheating" because the player didn't play only top engine moves. This mistake is made repeatedly by all sorts of defenders, the idea that a cheater must cheat constantly, when everyone knows the smart way to cheat would be to use the engine sparingly, in critical positions, and inconsistently. "obviously".

@Vision-fm8tc

14 күн бұрын

To me it’s obvious he’s cheating, he cheats to go against better players. Why? He wouldn’t be good enough to beat them without cheating anyways evidence num 1. He also scored 0 points and then out of the blue beat the best player in the world? Come on now, that is quite literally impossible 😂

@CarnyToddler

14 күн бұрын

@@Vision-fm8tc "Come on now, that is quite literally impossible" You're stating it's impossible to have a loss streak? That is a common story in all sports, at all levels. It's not that hard to believe that he was highly motivated after an embarrassing run. That Magnus can't be defeated by someone that is having a losing streak just isn't backed up by statistics, or logic. Your statement is an example of hubris.

@darioalves464

14 күн бұрын

Pretty much this. An entire video of "no evidence" except, yk, for the fact that Hans has admitted to cheating in the past. One of my favorite stupid arguments in the video is the one where Hans had this amazing improvement because he "played a lot" while other guys where not playing as much, forgetting completely about how burnout, tiredness from otb classical, excessive traveling and jetlag can affect the performances and improvements of players who play a lot. Its not just the fact that he "played a lot" its also the fact that he suffered from none of these drawbacks until recently. I also love how he completely disregards specialists pointing to how Hans is cheating, but talks about all the specialists pointing to how he is not as if those were all matter of fact. As if specialists in an area are always good, or in agreements about some result. Not to mention all the "no conclusive evidence". Like, unless Hans ever comes out specifically saying he had a plug up his fun hole, there is never going to be conclusive evidence. There is just way to many pointers to the fact that he cheated.

@taxatollah

14 күн бұрын

@@Vision-fm8tc Absurd. There is no credible evidence that he has cheated over-the-board other than the fact that he had cheated online prior to August 2020. Furthermore, cheating in a round robin, invitational tournament would be so difficult and so risky that it would be insane to attempt it.

@ashiok

14 күн бұрын

@@darioalves464 You see how cynical your logic is though? Because someone cheated in the past, you judge them as permanently guilty, incapable of exoneration or actual improvement. You are essentially casting a branding iron onto someone and then chiding them for it.

This was an excellent video on cheating. I have been involved in investigation allegations of cheating in the Backgammon world. You have to be so careful and remember that you are dealing with a persons reputation. When you say a person cheated, you should have to say how they cheated, not just, that you have a feeling. Maybe a feeling is enough to start an investigation but it should be a private investigation.

@chucklebutt4470

5 күн бұрын

I didn't know Backgammon was played seriously enough to warrant such an investigation! That's pretty interesting!

@Pootie_Tang

2 күн бұрын

This

I didnt know Dream played chess.

@Mike_Rottchburns

2 ай бұрын

LOL

@timopint1125

22 күн бұрын

didnt know chess is played since cold war ended

@joeeburg

17 күн бұрын

That's what the point of the mask is

@ThunderChunky101

17 күн бұрын

Nobody is that ugly.

@albw9

9 күн бұрын

Is this a reverse asian racism situation, where all white people look the same ?

I don't think Hans cheated over the board. But once he cheated online he loses credibility and respect

@rohanbarwal5033

22 күн бұрын

Bro he is human and human mades mistake 😊

@timopint1125

22 күн бұрын

carlsen did the same online...nobody gives a shit anymore because the tools are used to practise...and the most GMS have cheat days online...

@MyRealName

21 күн бұрын

So his OTB wins against Magnus which are legit are actually not legit because of his past? That does not compute.

@harrymills2770

21 күн бұрын

@@rohanbarwal5033 He's a human who cheated in the past, and so people naturally don't trust him. "I changed" is not something people just take on faith. He lost all that by cheating.

@patrikmojdis5262

20 күн бұрын

Oh yea let's hold him accountable for his whole life for a small mistake he did as a 16 years old. Sir you are just dumb.

I want to add on, the rapid elo climbing phenomenon during the pandemic applied to many up and coming players, not just Niemann. It has been a common complaint from top players about losing elo from people who were underrated due to the pandemic.

Hikaru is a hypocrite in nearly every drama he gets in.

@Neoh53

14 күн бұрын

Yeah, KZreadr/Streamer doing drama pay more than chess. Of course he would continue even by going hypocrite

@Max-hi7iv

13 күн бұрын

@@Neoh53 especially in the long interview with hikaru I realized he‘s still bitter about being worse than magnus

@albw9

9 күн бұрын

I don't think it's just for the money. I thinks he's genuinely a little piece of biological waste

@tacochub4353

6 күн бұрын

Definitely agree; he seems to have a lot of confirmation bias and only looks for evidence to support his opinion. This undermines the credibility of his findings.

@hymefly

5 күн бұрын

Cheating by deciphering anal beads vibrations is more of a feat than beating Magnus.

I like the part where Hans Niemann says “It’s Esaming Time”

@XpVersusVista

Ай бұрын

the Niemann speaks for himself

@robbyg2490

28 күн бұрын

wtf are you on about

@Bettercraz

21 күн бұрын

Timestamp??

I like that you don’t fear to go after big KZreadrs just to say the right thing. Great video

@Barackobama-uq2ly

2 ай бұрын

Lol why would he be?

@nicholasmaniccia1005

12 күн бұрын

@@Barackobama-uq2ly Because all those tough chess nerds would literally jump him after a tournament. Violence in the professional chess community has always been swept under the rug. What do you think ACTUALLY happened to Bobby Fischer.

@jsccs1

3 күн бұрын

​@@nicholasmaniccia1005That Karpov feller done had Spassky hold Bobby down an' gave him a fookin a big black bishop right in the biddy. Dont even get me started on what they did to Morphy.

Really an amazingly well done video. You have a true talent at this.

thank you. this is a phenomenal video that was very clearly well-researched.

I love how you’re branching out into covering other topics instead of just the smash and commentary community! Great video man🧡

Your final statement is exactly how I felt watching this all go down in real time. How frustrating it must be to beat the best player in the world after spending countless hours improving yourself just to have him throw a childish temper tantrum and accuse you of cheating and bring the entire chess community down on you. Excellent video by the way, I have my degree in physics and did quite a bit of data science work in my undergrad years, and all the statistics proving Hans was cheating all felt really off to me, but I had no desire to break down why and you did an excellent job precisely describing why they were wrong even if you aren't a data scientist.

@meathir4921

4 ай бұрын

As someone similar to you with a degree in physics, I balked at the 10 games stat BEFORE they revealed it relies on multiple engines.

@CalebSmith-gg1dt

4 ай бұрын

You're dumb af. He couldn't even explain his moves and got beat in real-time in that sham of an interview. Truly brainless on your part

@spenserphoenix

4 ай бұрын

He admitted he'd cheated before

@jdudbdjxb7687

4 ай бұрын

​@@spenserphoenix WOW REALLY?

@vietnamsemonky4082

4 ай бұрын

@@spenserphoenixDid he admit to cheating over the table? Or just online? And when? Chess nerds seem to love to hold people accountable for stuff they did years ago.

As a tournament player myself watching this video, what stands out to me is that you completely lack a reference point to understand why many players had the intuition Hans was suspicious. You aren't wrong that there's a problematic tendency to assume Magnus couldn't lose legitimately and constantly fluff him up beyond what's realistic (not to mention quid pro quo dynamics like where Magnus streams with Botez now and then and she talks shit about Hans), but there are also certain dynamics in a player's style of play that suggest they might be using an engine. You can't replace a chess player's experience with merely measuring centipawn accuracy. You also badly misrepresent the nature of the cheating allegations in this video. When you describe cheating in chess, you say it's like "playing god" and you control the outcome of the game entirely. This is false; chess is a game with some margin for error, therefore draws are by no means impossible for strong players to achieve even against strong engines. That may be less the case if those engines are configured specifically to find ways to unbalance the position and play for a win instead of simply choosing optimal moves, but doing so has several implications which might make cheating more conspicuous (e.g. playing on endlessly for hundreds of moves to extract an endgame error, or relying upon more easily detectable _sequences_ of computer moves instead of what was alleged). And most importantly, *the suggestion was that Hans cheated with only one or a few moves in each game.* A strategy like this makes cheating nearly undetectable and does not even vaguely approach your strawmanning of the accusations. If I had to bet, I don't think Hans ever cheated OTB at all. I accept that there is little concrete evidence for it and approve of the decision to treat him as innocent. However, I remain somewhat suspicious given how he played at certain critical junctures. I'm not talking about "quality" of moves, but more intangible characteristics about his ability to identify and make use of strange, seemingly unstable piece coordination patterns despite how rarely they appear in games) This indicates either unusual talent even among top players, simply a very unconventional playstyle, or engine play. Another important element you rightly touched on in this video is Hans' confidence. A lot of chess is psychological, and Hans' psychological willingness to accept and even perhaps expect that he'd beat Magnus seems like it could easily explain why he has an easier time of it than some of Magnus' steadier 'customers.' Hans' trainer's comments were also very useful, since they help build out the idea that Hans' anomalous play is partially attributable to a certain quirkiness of his approach to the game. Hans being so sanctimonious about it all _while lying_ during that interview by erasing the other times he had cheated online gave me the impression that he was very suspicious, and remains the worst strike against him. It is cause for concern even now. While I appreciate that you put work into understanding these events, given your ignorance about chess you should not be pronouncing any final judgement, nor signalling that people were wrong to be suspicious, as you're far from any reasonable standpoint to do this.

@Disentropic1

4 ай бұрын

@@Scarmiglione379 Fall flat into the deep ravine!

@NotQuiteFirst

4 ай бұрын

Good comment, especially the final paragraph. The thing I always found lacking in Hans's dealing with the whole situation is that (as far as I've ever seen) he's never taken a shred of responsibility for why people don't trust him and think of him as a cheater. If I were him, the first thing I would have done in that first interview would have been to say "yeah I get that it's my own fault that people don't trust me because of mistakes made in the past, and it's up to me to walk the long narrow road to earn trust" but all he's ever done is act outraged that anyone dares to be suspicious of him. The fact that he publicly admitted to the things everyone already knew about painted him into a corner, then when the Ccom report said he'd cheated more than he had publicly confessed to his only option is to say everything is a conspiracy against him and that they are making it all up. Lying about the extent of his cheating in the very statement supposedly confessing to his cheating is about the worst thing you can do to gain trust.

@atuliyengar9638

Ай бұрын

nah i ain't reading all of that

@geoff7727

Ай бұрын

The level of pettiness

@geoff7727

Ай бұрын

You guys have

This was an amazing produced video. Not into chess that much but watched it from start to finish

So, the future of integrity in chess may be fucked because the #1 guy has such an ego that he can't just say he got outplayed? Seems about right.

@luckygozer

4 ай бұрын

If you were the #1 chess player in the world playing with white and you lost to someone rated a decent gap below you in skill level that you for a fact knew had a history of cheating how would you feel? It's possible the game was a fluke. Or and I hope this for Hans that he will turn out to also be a super gm in league with the top of the top. But would you not atleast question if foul play was at hand? Not to say I'm completely siding with Magnus's actions. But if he believes people with a history of cheating should not be allowed to compete it's atleast a pov i can understand. Where do you draw the line there is always going to be open for debate.

@Tom_Het

4 ай бұрын

​@@luckygozer "it is possible the game was a fluke" Literally every resource we have shows that it was not a fluke, and Hans did not play an amazingly good game of chess. Magnus made some mistakes, that is all. Nothing abnormal from Hans whatsoever in that game. Of course I can empathize with Magnus not wanting Hans at the event, and he has every right to be uncomfortable playing against a known cheater, it can adversely affect people when they don't trust their opponent is playing fairly. So I can understand his feelings during and in the moment immediately after the game, but after he had some time to analyze the game and still couldn't admit he just got outplayed, that's childish. He also has every right to protest the choice to invite Hans. The ridiculous thing is that he didn't withdraw before the event, and instead he waited to see if he'd win the match first before deciding if he would protest it. The problems with inviting a known cheater are still present whether Magnus wins the game or not. Magnus just wanted to have it both ways. I can't relate there. So to answer the question, it wouldn't have happened to me because if I felt the way Magnus did, I would have protested outright and I wouldn't have been in the tournament.

@luckygozer

4 ай бұрын

@@Tom_Het We are using a different meaning of the word fluke. If you put Hans and Magnus playing with white head to head over and over how many of those would Hans win? If you believe that to be rare then the game was a fluke. Hans played fine Magnus played poorly but that's a fluke. If you believe Hans would be able to more consistently take games of Magnus with white then it makes him one of the best of the best which is the other option I mentioned. Yes I'm with you as said I don't fully support Magnus actions either. As for not withdrawing before the event..eh. People's thoughts aren't necessarily black and white on these things. Have you never been in turmoil about something only to change your mind last minute or even afterwards regret the choice you made? It's not a great look no. You could also use that same logic to say it doesn't really matter if Hans cheated against Magnus or not. The problems with inviting a known cheater are still present. Also while the ''If I speak I'm in big trouble'' clip led us down the rabbit hole of oh Hans is a cheater and Magnus has made statements regarding Hans cheating much more and more recently than he admitted to. Has he directly stated he believed Hans cheated in the game against him?

@cooloutac

4 ай бұрын

@luckygozer you sound like kramnik saying he's not accusing hikaru of cheating lol.

@luckygozer

4 ай бұрын

@@Jk-qx7gm It's not my native language no but I'm not using a translator. I stand by my meaning of the word fluke as ''a rare chance occurrence''. But some of my expressions and word choices probably aren't natural no.

This video perfectly illustrates how people put too much faith into models, math and stats. Just because a model exists and adheres to the rules of math and formal logic doesn't necessarily mean that it adequately or fully describes reality. This flawed use of the tool can be seen across many different domains of human activity.

@diegofelipevillegasrubio8767

4 ай бұрын

There’s this great quote from Richard Feynman, that states that even if your theory makes mathematical or logical sense, if it doesn’t correlate with nature it is flat out wrong. I’m paraphrasing, but that’s what your comment reminds me of

Great video! This is the first video I saw of yours and I was completely hooked! It was so damn interesting and considering this was a 1 hr video, I think it's quite an achievement to keep people hooked even for long format content (especially when reels are so popular and many people are losing their attention span), great work 💯

Hikaru broke an NDA and then stokes the flames with misleading videos

@TheWesterlyWarlock

26 күн бұрын

Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for Hikaru during all of this, and now seeing this video made me lose a lot more.

YOOOO, I didnt think I would be featured as a member (I forgot I was a member lmao) Good vid bro, keep up the amazing work, and I pray that your editing software stops messing up all the time, I really hate to see it

Why tf haven't you blown up franchise this is probably THE MOST WELL MADE VIDEO on this topic, period. As someone from the smash community, you've always made such informative and HONEST videos about shit like this. I'm gonna keep watching you as long as you keep making videos unless you legitimately go crazy or something. Great video. MY FAVORITE BOXER WAS ON THE BEACH 😱😱😱😱😱

@DKMRFCBrlz

4 ай бұрын

I can confirm this is the best video on the topic

@urallnoobs8943

4 ай бұрын

How can ESAM be you favorite boxer if he doesn't go boxing ring 🤔🤔

The idea that you missed in this, is that a 2500 player that can go the the engine 3 times a match can beat a super gm, they had this weird thing in some nordic country where 3 IMs play a mystery GM in a green suit or something like that but they get to use an engine 3 times in the match and they won and then the gm reveals himself, it's kind of silly and fun but just checking an engine or knowing the eval is absolutely huge even if only done once or twice at tough parts of the match when players go into big thinks. That centipawn thing could be valid because you could be playing worse moves usually and getting slowly beat out on the eval but then playing a deciding line immediately after.

@Spobbles69420

Ай бұрын

But that wouldn’t confirm their bias

@JJ-Toreddie

26 күн бұрын

The green suit has been called turquoise by the vast majority of players below 2509

@raviravi5342

24 күн бұрын

you are just not understanding. this is a well planned event, with metal detectors and all that. So, stay with the topic.

@bencheevers6693

24 күн бұрын

@@raviravi5342 Go watch Mike Boyd's video on making 'that device' I'm not saying that's what Hans did but it's a legitimate possibility and that doesn't get picked up by a metal detector.

@Spobbles69420

24 күн бұрын

@@raviravi5342 ah yes, metal detectors, because metal detectors have never been beaten.

such a great put together video very thoughtful and I like the ending thankyou for putting this together you are going places my friend +1 subscriber keep the great content coming and I'll be taking along -cheers!

Nice job. I really loved the detail at 16:55 when you synced up the "transposition" with the video interview. Excellent effort and detailed work. Very appreciated. Well done.

Chess was an unexpected topic from this channel, but this is such a well researched and produced video. Thoroughly enjoyed this. Also appreciated the Ace Attorney and other Capcom OST. Good job and happy new year!

This is such an excellent video from you - well researched, well thought out and encompassing them both sides and treating them fairly, all while being digestible. I mean really good job with this one!! I just feel so bad for Hans after watching this video, I wonder if he’s seen it

Huge amount of work in that well compiled video thank you! Subscribed.

Thanks a lot for this video!

Honestly that whole drama destroyed my impression of both magnus and hikaru. To irresponsibly spread such baseless rumors and intentionally let them run amok (I doubt magnus seriously believed the beads were real) and tangibly damage the reputation and career of a young up and comer guilty of mistakes that many of their peers are is disgusting.

@cooloutac

4 ай бұрын

I don't know man you ever see the way Magnus walks to the board always late? Him, alireza and Hans definitely walk like they have devices in there you know what. Hahahah. Maybe it takes one to know one. 🤔

@andrewdinns1746

3 ай бұрын

Qg3, get a clue.

@4kach24

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. That's why I never engaged with their content after this situation It seemed like such a bs to me

@MrRagnarxx

20 күн бұрын

Hikaru in general is an insufferable twat and Magnus has a huge ego, it's unfortunately quite normal in top level chess. Used to be even worse back in the day

Great video man! keep up the good work! We apreciate you and your passion 🙏

Amazing. Keep it up. ❤

Being a massive Magnus fan Magnus didn’t play his best that game… like at all, but what is weird is how he couldn’t analyze the match afterwards, the fact he did cheat a long time ago, and the rapid rise of improvement from his previous tournament score to the tournament he beat Magnus in

@DaxperOfficial

Ай бұрын

to say he cheated without evidence is dumb, this kid is smart AF and beats gm's regularly if you watch him live and just won a huge open tournament...

@Mahhhdeee

Ай бұрын

@@DaxperOfficial when I said “the fact that he did cheat” it was followed up with “a long time ago” there’s been multiple interviews where Hans himself said he did cheat twice when he was younger and wasn’t referring to the game with Magnus (nor am I). I’m referring to the moments where he said he did cheat lol

@MertSu66

15 күн бұрын

@@DaxperOfficial there are a lot of convicted crimes with circumstantial evidence instead of a literal knife with blood and fingerprints

Great documentary man. And yeah, I didn’t like how Hikaru posed himself as an objective bystander when he clearly had some biases against Hans. It’s okay to have biases, but he wasn’t combating them, he was leaning into them

Never thought I would be so glued to a chess video, yet here I am You go a great job illustrating this!

Very informative and researched video. Keep up with this good work, my king.

I don't think he cheated he just done something unexpected which has happened before in chess on kore than one occasion. Just because it was magnus carlson that lost. And magnus Carlson who started accusing him with no evidence. Then the wild anal head conspiracy theory hit and everyone magically agreed with no evidence yet again. No its tue simple answer that magnus just lost that day to an unexpected series of moves that presented themselves. As has happened in the past. Lastly Magnus was not looking at his absolute best at the time anyway. He is a sore loser though when he doesn't get his own way on a chessboard for a change. Nobody is perfect all the time

@user-kf6uq1cw6t

Ай бұрын

Chess players are so fragile, Jesus.

@farn1991

20 күн бұрын

@@user-kf6uq1cw6t On the verge of Narcissus. Some play it to stroke their ego instead of fun.

@MrAlexanderLang

12 күн бұрын

Try explaining that to the emotional children that sniff Magnus farts like it's no tomorrow.

Balanced and clear sighted analysis. Wish there more people like you on social media.

This was such a good video great work. It's my first time here I hope to run into another one of your videos

Great video; you have a talent to present it logically and in a fun way, please keep up the good work!

Man, you and Technicals have ran a lot of stories recently of "guy with zero rizz gets into what should be a minor controversy, but because the memes are too funny, their whole life gets ruined" happened to Hax, The Panda CEO, Mike Z and now Hans. I think the moral here is that more people need a guy to do their PR.

Really awesome video! I wanted to find out a detailed and balanced analysis of the Hans Niemann story and your video nails it! Not only it stands out from all the miss-informative, vague and outdated video on Niemann on KZread, but also it is a really coherent and logical analysis. Please keep up this great work. I appreciate it a lot!

Good job man. Great research and video essay.

I played chess almost daily up until this happened. Rarely play now. No matter who did wrong here, this hurt chess in an undeniable way. You can say he didn't use cheats over the board, but it was proven he has cheated before and they still let him play against people. The idea that they have a "secret list" of cheaters is just another sign of how messed up the chess world is. Boycott that site. Not interested.

New sub here...."This video speaks for itself" 😉

It really makes a difference when you actually sift through the evidence and more importantly, how it came to be. It’s so easy to just spew out a spreadsheet or graph with shoddy methodology behind it, because most won’t look into because it doesn’t fit someone’s presupposition. What really made me write off Hikaru was his constant vague insinuating and drama milking. Which ties into the benefit to be gained from this whole debacle. The acquisition of PlayMagnus by Chess certainly had some influence of the actions of Rensch. If Chess fumbled getting into business with a living legend of the game, it would’ve been a massive missed opportunity. The 70 page report was a big show of appeasement while trying to justify their own inconsistent rule enforcement. All of the drama surrounding Niemann at the time just seemed like one big pile-on. It didn’t seem fair. Now a watershed moment in the game and in Niemanns career is inextricably linked to having something shoved up his cornhole.

@babayega1717

Ай бұрын

cumhole? Nah buddy, we don't use em like that. You do you tho.

your research is amazing man, subbed

Perfect video. I followed this closely and was shocked how everyone jumped the gun and believed everything everywhere. Ty!

Any interaction i have ever seen from magnus was that he was so arrogant i wouldnt even bother talking to him.

@juuk3103

26 күн бұрын

And how many times have you met him again?

@captainbube1217

26 күн бұрын

@@juuk3103 lol did you not read? I said every interaction i have ever seen you absolute genius 😭

@juuk3103

25 күн бұрын

@@captainbube1217 Wauw genius 😳 let's start judging people on clips, you are so right! Everything that I have seen of you has been arrogant and negative also 😱 you got a point OMG 😳

@captainbube1217

25 күн бұрын

@@juuk3103 haha dont be salty because you didnt understand my very easy sentence its fine 👍

@RedbarNews

22 күн бұрын

@@juuk3103you’re clearly very very dumb.

hans cheated…i was the one who sent the signals to his beads

Really good video. Edge of the seat recap.

This was so well done! Thanks man

This is excellent work man. You have always been incredibly talented at documentary style videos but this is next level.

Commenting for the algorithm and because thefranChise is still in desperate need of assistance!

I don't know why drama in subcultures is so fascinating to me but it is and I want to say that you have done an excellent job of covering so much of this at such great depth. The statistical flaws section was especially well done.

Great video on the subject! Well done sir.

Well poked at Hikaru

There are so many errors in this. For example your point about a cheater making all the top moves. Only an idiot cheater would do that. It is much cleverer to only cheat as much as is necessary to win, not play the best move every move as that will be easy to detect. Many top players have said that a single alert in a critical position would be enough to turn the tables making it possible to cheat and avoid detection. Theoretically it is so hard to prove cheating mathematically for this reason. I think, “where there’s smoke there’s fire”. Are we to believe that Hans only cheated in two games ever? I find that highly unlikely. More likely is that he earned his reputation given how many top players (who actually understand how this works!!!) not just Magnus have come to suspect him.

@cooloutac

4 ай бұрын

Literally no top players said they think he cheated in the sinquefield cup man. Noone except people that stream or work with the website lol. And it's extremely naive for you to equate online gaming which is infested and full of cheaters including speedrunners that the website literally makes exceptions for, and think that has any bearing on a more prestigious and respected OTB event. They literally have nothing to do with each other in my opinion.

@chesneytube1

4 ай бұрын

@@cooloutac ​​⁠yeah I know, I never said he cheated otb what I said was that he was already a notorious cheater and deserved everyone’s suspicion. And it’s actually a psychological advantage for your opponent to play a whole game afraid that you’re using an engine…

@chesneytube1

4 ай бұрын

@@cooloutacI don’t think it’s naive to equate a player that HAS cheated a ton online with one that *might* cheat otb, that’s not that out there 😂

@andrewdinns1746

3 ай бұрын

@@cooloutac except they have? tell me what Ali said about his Qg3 move.

@cooloutac

3 ай бұрын

@@andrewdinns1746 I still don't think he cheated OTB, except for that one tournament that had no anti cheat measures. But you are right, I was wrong for defending Hans. Its clear now that kid is a habitual cheater. 39th in the world blitz, 104th in todays chessable, #92 in the world but he just soared to #3 online and won yesterday titled tuesday. Thats a joke. It appears he cheats whenever there is no anti cheat measures. Online or off. He is making a mockery of chess and I apologize for ever defending him. Problem is the website is full of titled players just like him. I'm pretty depressed about the future of online chess now.

Best video on the topic I've seen

What a great video, thans for creating it

I love it when people go into an investigation assuming the person (In this case Hans) is guilty. It's innocent until proven guilty for a reason. You start with the fact that he's innocent. Do your research, and then hand down a verdict. Not give a verdict, fake an investigation, then put out faulty evidence and just say "Look look. He's guilty, look at these stats that take nothing into account".

@babayega1717

Ай бұрын

You do realize " innocent until proven guilty " is not a world-wide accepted judicial concept right?

@ItsRayful

22 күн бұрын

@@babayega1717 You do realize that this video shows why it should ?

@hedgehog3180

4 күн бұрын

@@babayega1717 And that's because many countries in this world are dictatorships that lack proper justice systems.

I believe everyone freaked out mainly because in chess, you have to calculate, right?...Hans had problems even remembering, let alone explaining the game he just got done playing.

@4kach24

2 ай бұрын

I don't really know how that works,but it may be relatable to me When I'm focused on an important task (a test or an exam) I rarely remember how and what I did afterwards

@Frag2xx5

Ай бұрын

@@4kach24 in the video his coach mentioned his outstanding memory, so thats not really a valid explanation

@DaxperOfficial

Ай бұрын

to say he cheated without evidence is dumb, this kid is smart AF and beats gm's regularly if you watch him live and just won a huge open tournament...

@4kach24

Ай бұрын

@@Frag2xx5 Even if he cheated, I have no interest in supporting claims of other players who fueled his bullying either. The way this whole community acted towards then a 19 year old is atrocious.

@Frag2xx5

Ай бұрын

@@4kach24 fully agree

I have never before enjoyed a really well made video of a subject I have not one clue about but you made it informative, educational, entertaining and understandable. Thanks very much. I really enjoyed it.

The case was dismissed by a federal judge before an agreement was reached. It's not a settlement if there is no case.

6:45 there was one suspicious thing. Hans is basically the only player in any classical chess competition, that in the interview after the match refused to explain the reason behind some critical moves. The main accusation were given by chess masters looking at that interview, not at the game per-se

@skya6863

21 күн бұрын

he discussed it at 12:51

@forzatoro89

20 күн бұрын

@@skya6863 sorry, I didn't go that far, my fault, thank you for pointing out

@skya6863

20 күн бұрын

@@forzatoro89 no worries

I think Mangus is a cereal cheater. No other reason to jump soo quickly to cheating

Great work and research in this video

Im not much of a chess fan but am impressed at your ability to put together this video, i can see you reching the stars in the future if you hone your craft.

Only 7 minutes in but you’ve earned a sub. I love the way you structure your videos.

Brasil mentioned 🗣🔥(not in a good way tho) lets gooooo

That was a great breakdown of the situation. I don't even play chess, but now I want to get into it

great doco, subbed!

Absolute banger.

I followed the drama about Hans Nieman cheating and i came to the same conclusion you did. The different methods used to find if he was cheating or not never struck me as very credible, it looked a lot like you can reach whatever goal you want by breaking the data down a certain way. Its basically using statistics in a dishonest way. I can make a comparison with Tennis, it is possible to win more games then your opponent and still lose the match. Then you take that data to prove that he is cheating when he starts winning (if he does obviously). The centipawn loss was a really dumb theory on every single front, it showed that he was losing more centipawns then other players and that should prove that he was a bad player, but also that he was cheating. In conjunction that he plays very aggressive and often let pawns and pieces hanging when he thinks he can force the game to a win for himself and he does it so that his opponents will hopefully make a mistake and not see that he can maybe force a win if they spend their turn to take the piece, so often they take the piece which would lead to a higher centipawn loss but still a win for himself. I think it was very dishonest of Carlsen to accuse him of cheating without ever saying so, because it was clear that he thought he was cheating but he didnt want to say it, because if he didnt think he was cheating he could have stepped up and said so any time he wanted during the whole drama. He struck me as someone that doesnt dare to stand behind what he was saying himself in case of backlash or that he was wrong. Hikaru did a horrific job at actually doing any work, he was basically only reacting to what other people said without ever actually analyzing Hans game against Magnus, or even being fair minded to Hans in a lot of what he said. "no one analyses games like that if you are 2800 elo" or saying something of the like. While at the same time saying that Kasparov's immortal game was well analyzed by Kasparov who basically said "i have too much material on that side" which is not analyzing the game at all.

really good intro, it sold me on watching the whole video

GREAT ANALYSIS - Kudos, you have clearly put a lot of work into this! I’m a bit late to the game on your vid, but greatly appreciate it nonetheless!

@aussiemen111

13 күн бұрын

sad man

11:02 LTG reference never fails to brighten my day (though the lightning bolt might have something to do with it).

@user-to9lk8ix6h

4 ай бұрын

Lmao glad I’m not the only one that thought that.

Shunned by the system? Check. Ego bigger than anyone else? Check. Defeating big players like they're nothing? Check. BREAKING A MAN'S EGO? CHECK! Forget Hikaru, Caruana and So. You know who I'm talking about, and Hans is his true successor.

@M0bel

16 күн бұрын

cheated in the past? check. only admitting to half the games he cheated? check. wondering why he is he accused? check. will be forgotten in a few years? checkmate.

Honestly its crazy that playing half a game a day is far and above the standard. I know a lot of chess practice its studying past games, theories, looking at the computer to cross check your lines, but if the average chess pro is playing ~1 game a week(0.2-0.3 games a day), that just seems like a gross amount of complacency and stagnation and easily I could see someone improving very quickly compared to the rest. At the end of the day, the fact that Chess website and Magnus settled it outside court with NO repercussion to Hans is telling enough to me that Magnus was just throwing a tantrum and the chess website caving to popular demand. If they had real evidence and thought they could win, they had every incentive to bury him in court and settle this once and for all.

Great video! Great flow

Thoughts on Magnus pulling an Armada and not competing in the World Chess Championship?

@RoninofCrimsonMaple

4 ай бұрын

Was that the one over his controller not properly malfunctioning?

on baby this is the best video on this subject

@DustyCrop

3 ай бұрын

#999 like

Dang im coming back to your channel and im seeing CHESS videos? thats kinda cool im ngl

Great work; well put together and structured! Nice, thank you from Germany! ;) Time to read Lushins Defense again. :p

More like: Chess broke Hans.

It's nice to see Hans be the winner in all this when usually the person with the least public charisma is on the losing end. The part where he barely manages to explain his Queen G3 could of been an earl end if he didn't have professionals backing up his mannerisms.

@andrewdinns1746

3 ай бұрын

explain? what you talking about. the moves he said he was going to make out of Qg3 would have put him in a worse position than if he had not played it.... how is that explaining? it was holding up a neon sign saying "i cheated".

@angrybread478

3 ай бұрын

@andrewdinns1746 exactly, that's why the professionals needed to back him up on the interview otherwise, it would have just ended there, with people thinking he cheated with literally no proof

I hadn't thought of the intuitive argument and appreciate your input. While I have been relatively neutral on the topic, I think that bringing up that not all intellectual skills are directly accessible to a person's recall is extremely valuable and interesting.

@hedgehog3180

4 күн бұрын

If you have spent any time among academics you'd know that it's incredibly common for someone to be incredibly intelligent but also terrible at explaining their thoughts.

Loved all your content, and love that you are taking into new and awesome directions. Keep it up, seriously quality stuff.

Magnussen cried like a little girl when he lost on white. Maybe he had some yes-men behind the scenes who talked him up into a hissy fit but either way, the withdrawal was childish.

In any game regardless of online or in real life if you cheat and then proceed to lie about how much you've cheated, you don't deserve another opportunity at redemption. Hans had the opportunity to admit to the extent of his cheating and chose to be untruthful, that's inexcusable. It's a tale that happens in many online games; player gets accused of cheating, player admits to cheating a little, turns out player cheated a lot more than they admitted, player gets banned.

@mikemike6182

10 күн бұрын

Lol magnus sympathiser 😂😂 Everyone cheat online, what matter is can u do it on real tournament

@TheSKYeagle

9 күн бұрын

@@mikemike6182 but not everyone cheats online for real money against professional players, and then lie about it

@hedgehog3180

4 күн бұрын

And what if everyone Hans played against has also cheated and Hans was the only one honest enoguh to admit it?

@TheSKYeagle

3 күн бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 that's such a crazy statement to suggest

Sometimes it feels like the idea of innocent until proven guilty has died and I love your channel because you’re so excellent at putting the court of public opinion in check when it needs to be

Great vid! Guess it was filmed to early to note that Carlsen was just fined for his actions in chess! Insta-subbed.

Hikaru committed a war crime. He's the definition of midwit and his freakish chess playing ability doesn't mean he finds a cheater, just a different kind of crazy person platying chess.

@liquidladdy

Ай бұрын

He seems like a tool

@trentvlak

Ай бұрын

Hikaru is out of his mind.

@user-ez7ls2du9c

17 күн бұрын

lil hikky literally doesnt care, he just doesnt care, ok? when are you gonna get it through your thick skull, hikky just doesnt care ok.

Awesome vid man- subbed

Great video, you nailed it.