The original Star Wars treated children like adults. Modern Star Wars treats adults like children.

@keithmitchell6240

3 ай бұрын

This is the first time I've seen a single sentence encapsulate this. Well said.

@nicholassupino8775

3 ай бұрын

Well put!

@Bearded_B

3 ай бұрын

And Dune makes all of Star Wars (including the originals) look like a bedtime story for little children.

@ignskeletons

3 ай бұрын

100% true

@QuickMadeUpName

3 ай бұрын

Star Wars was always corny as hell. Treated everyone like kids. Corny acting, corny story, corny sets, corny script, corny costumes. It was cheesy throughout the whole franchise. And it has nothing to do with it being dated, because great art stays great art forever. Look at the Godfather 1, stays fresh to this day, but Star Wars was corny then and it's corny now.

It's very funny; Star Wars was inspired by Dune, and in their film adaptations, Star Wars succeeded where Dune failed. Now fast forward 50-ish years later and Dune is succeeding where Star Wars is failing. How ironic. Long live the fighters.

@ParkerCS2

3 ай бұрын

Dune wasn’t initially translated well in film, but I hear the books were good. Now nothing Star Wars is good, and I hear the new Dune films are good.

@Siloguy

3 ай бұрын

I think the original trilogy was more inspired by The Hidden Fortress but for the prequels I suspect Lucas tried to create a rich universe with a complex history like Dune but kind of failed at it.

@donotdoit8428

3 ай бұрын

​@@ParkerCS2 books are one of most brilliant science fictional and philosophical piece I have ever read.

@nosuchthing8

3 ай бұрын

Exactly

@Bladeki

3 ай бұрын

" _AS IT IS WRITTEN_ " -Stilgar, ᑐᑌᑎᕮ

I’m so happy Disney does not own DUNE. I really love these two new renditions

@cjckdbdhx

3 ай бұрын

If Disney owned dune, oh god. I'm imagining like when Paul puts his hand in the box, saying "Can we do this after I've had my coffee? 😅😅" Or some shit quip

@EVH5150iii

3 ай бұрын

@@cjckdbdhx”no cap, this literally hurts bruh!”

@mynameisjeff1582

3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately they can buy Dune any time don’t get ur hopes up… let’s just enjoy the moment and wish for the 3th movie

@ezookami4540

3 ай бұрын

and Mad Max. However, Im afraid what they have done with Furiosa movie...The latest Mad Max was success, because Furiosa was like Ripley: smart, resourceful, a leader who knows her own physical weaknesses and knows she needs to cooperate to survive. 99% of women could relate to her.

@drewmorrison

3 ай бұрын

@@mynameisjeff1582they don’t have enough cash for acquisitions now. They would have to sell some ip

Disney doesn’t “disrespect” the legacy fans, it openly despises them and wants them gone. The same is true of Amazon’s Rings of Power. In both cases the legacy fans are treated as an embarrassment.

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

So sad as fans are the backbone of any franchise

@sidp5381

3 ай бұрын

@@thejessegrant and you guys are so salted that white people don’t seem to be prominent and playing rules that they shouldn’t be playing guys are such losers

@boyceevans917

3 ай бұрын

Rings of power was so freakin bad ugh

@jefflynnalex

3 ай бұрын

Yes, Rings was woke and that sucked however that situation is different. In the case of ROP, Amazon didn't own the Silmarillion. No one has ever bought the rights to it from the Tolkien estate. The ROP creators could use names and characters from the LOTR books but we're not allowed to use any Tolkien story material from the Silmarillion...so they had no choice but to completely make it up. Of course that begs the question, why hasn't anyone ponied up the dough to buy the rights to the rest of the Tolkienverse? Based on the success of the LOTR, I would guess the rights fees would be massive.

@thegreenbaron6439

3 ай бұрын

And then they’re all like “where’s the money?! We’re broke!”😊

"Somehow Palpatine Returned." - Disney

@TheMarkmcr

3 ай бұрын

I'd suggest reading up on Jessica's daughter...

@eddiepalmer9543

3 ай бұрын

⁠what does 1 have to do with the other

@TheMarkmcr

3 ай бұрын

@@eddiepalmer9543 everything. Do either of you want spoilers on book 3?

@TheMarkmcr

3 ай бұрын

@@eddiepalmer9543 everything actually

@protorhinocerator142

3 ай бұрын

When Palpatine is the final boss in all three SW trilogies

Watched Dune 2 yesterday. It was so refreshing to watch a sci-fi/action movie without constant quipping, no "fluent in sarcasm" type of characters, no silly attempts at humour breaking the immersion... humour was sparse and well placed. Loved it.

@MrMuel1205

3 ай бұрын

It reminds me of watching Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings, but even better.

@MeggaMann_theBlueLion

3 ай бұрын

And above all no “WOKE” BS

@ravenin9612

3 ай бұрын

No LGBTQ content

@symboh6492

3 ай бұрын

I was quite pleased to see a couple parents dragging their kids out the cinema during this. Yeh this ain't some shitty Disney flick, this one ain't for you, you'll appreciated later in life.

@SirEattonHogg

3 ай бұрын

I liked the few moments of humor in Dune 2. Makes Stilgar and the Fremen seem like real people. While I liked 1984 Dune movie the dialogue was pretty wooden especially for the Fremen.

Whether it's a woman, a man, or a non gender alien. People are sick and tired of stories about perfect characters who have always been better and smarter than everyone else, who's only problem is that the men/adults/government won't allow the character to use their perfection and solve all of the problems.

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@notfromhere8889

3 ай бұрын

Dune is the same thing, only we see Paul train in the desert while Rey was there most of her life lol

@user-ph3pq5br3k

3 ай бұрын

​@@notfromhere8889The difference with Dune is Paul has to struggle through every revelation that he is a messiah when he knows he's not...but, because of the Bene Gesserit, he has to be Frank Herbert said prophecy is a bad thing that can be used to manipulate.

@__thebadger

3 ай бұрын

@notfromhere8889 I give you a lot of credit. Defending disney star wars in 2024 must be quite the battle. To continue defending in the face of every L taken, you must be very zealous.

@notfromhere8889

3 ай бұрын

@user-ph3pq5br3k what struggle? He defeats every enemy, rides the biggest sandworm, ignores fremen tradition because why not, dominates the Emperor of the universe with ease, then leaves a pretty girl to marry another pretty girl and becomes Emperor himself. Some struggle

How Kathleen Kennedy was not fired but allowed to continue to ruin franchises tells me Disney deserves all of the criticism

@Soupie62

3 ай бұрын

Put a chick in it, and make her gay (and lame).

@eleghari

2 ай бұрын

You haven't seen ruin till the Shirmeen Obaid-Chinoy version comes out 😱 Chinoy: "I Enjoy Making Men Uncomfortable"

@janesgems7

2 ай бұрын

@@eleghari I'm a woman, a former 'reylo' and to quote another fed up female reylo: 'You literally couldn't pay me to watch.' I have nothing against Daisy Ridley but Rey has outstayed her welcome as a character. Her story's done. Bring back Ben Solo, and have him set out on a journey to atone for his misdeeds, like a 'ronin'. Now THAT I would watch.

@eleghari

2 ай бұрын

​@@janesgems7There is (tiny) hope that might eventually happen as the two main writers have already quit so the whole Chinoy-Star Wars project appears shelved for now....

@janesgems7

2 ай бұрын

@@eleghari Really? I didn't know that.

There is no mystery here. Denis Villeneuve followed the book. That's it. Small changes here or there but other than that, pretty faithful to the source material.

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

100%

@MS-ii1sv

3 ай бұрын

I could nitpick it to death but it is way better than anything Disney has to offer .

@johnwhite9461

3 ай бұрын

I dont think those small changes are insignificant, but it does allow Dune to be MUCH more sutble with its messaging

@rollinrat4850

3 ай бұрын

Forget Disney. Boycott them completely. Disney's a joke these days. Zendaya's role as Chani could have been better. Chani wasn't so angry in the book. But thats a minor complaint. Overall, Dune 1/2 has to be two of the best movies in my lifetime. Dune is the greatest sci fi story of all time in my opinion. Even the original Star Wars films dont come close.

@kauetadaieski3131

3 ай бұрын

Except for Chani, a major character.

Disney Dune: Paulina Atreides is a racialized young woman that fights the patriarchy in the far future and lives in Caladan with ther intelligent and capable mother and her dumb and clumsy father. She is already able to beat single handedly those mansplainers, Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck. After moving to Arrakis, she fastly aligns with the righteous fight of Fremen a tribe of desert people. The movie ends with Paulina fighting Feyd Rautha a white straight male and defeating him with a kick in the bollocks. She becomes empress to pacify the galaxy as everybody, even the Emperor Shaddam IV ask her to, since she's the only one up to the task. End.

@markenetube

3 ай бұрын

I wrote that Disney would have made it Paula Atreides a few days ago. She wouldn't need spice or any trials she would just be the perfect Kwisatz Haderach. Just because.

@PhoenixRiseinFlame

3 ай бұрын

And of course Paulina wouldn’t be false messiah, she’s be the real deal. Because we know that power in the hands of a woman never corrupts said woman.

@TheHamsterMaster

3 ай бұрын

LMAO, don't forget that the sand worms would all be gay

@zeronos2844

3 ай бұрын

​@@PhoenixRiseinFlame and her female concubine shani would produce twins but Leto II will be a toxic cis man who will be later a non binary and decides to atone for that by being the God Emperor. Oh and Ghamina will be a girlboss who can do anything.

@TachoSJ

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

A primary issue with the “Strong Female Lead” is they try to make them “Strong” in the way men are strong, not in the way that women are strong. And it’s just dumb

@boyceevans917

3 ай бұрын

The Gene Beserit that’s some mf strength it was so good

@Mouse_Metal

3 ай бұрын

It´s far worse. They also write them as immature, selfish brats who never face any consequences for their mess ups and awful behavior towards other characters. They are closer to villains than to heroes. Sometimes they are 100% evil but the plot pretends they are actually some poor misunderstood victims who never wanted to hurt anyone, it just so happened totally randomly. LOL!

@robotx4242

3 ай бұрын

Ellen Ripley and Sarah Conner drew strength from a maternal instinct to protect a child. That's a realistic way to portray women's strength. Disney female characters are strong just because they are women. No training or realistic motivation required.

@Perk40ies

3 ай бұрын

A man’s fantasy is to be the hero and save the day, and a women’s fantasy is to be the villain with no consequences for her actions

@Mouse_Metal

3 ай бұрын

@@Perk40ies To be a villain with no consequences is every narcissist´s power fantasy.

At this point, criticising Disney Star Wars is punching down.

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

Lol 😂

@DazzShorts.

3 ай бұрын

​@@thejessegrantno matter if the movie is Good or bad you get a way to put trash in the title

@sba8710

3 ай бұрын

It’s such a shame though because people loved these characters. some reason these writers want to create their own path and not appreciate the brilliant set went before them. It’s very odd and all they’ve done is destroy themselves.

@DazzShorts.

3 ай бұрын

Yeah,can you please my lastest Short about this.

@asturianix9820

3 ай бұрын

@@DazzShorts. I just saw your pro- Andrew Tate short. It was cringe.

I don’t think Dune did it “effortlessly”. I think it’s actually that the people involved in Dune actually put in a focused effort.

@CinqueTerre558

2 ай бұрын

And a very committed, visionary & passionate director can “direct”the actors to “put in a focused effort”, as you said, to whatever movie under his helm.

Plus... much like the Lord of the Rings movies, you can tell that those that are making the Dune movies have a love for the source material. Unlike Disney Star Wars who appear to actively despise it.

@Balnazzardi

3 ай бұрын

Ye I was just thinking after I saw Dune part 2 that Villeneuve and his gang are doing same thing with these movies that Peter Jackson and his crew made with LOTR And even if Dune might not be consider the source material for all scifi the same way LOTR is considered to be source of all the western fantasy that followed it, I think we can safely compare Dune movies now to be as successful adatations as LOTR movies were

@theviniso

3 ай бұрын

It was so easy for Disney to turn the Star Wars expanded universe into a series of movies. It was all literally already written. God, so much potential wasted...

@ShadowSonic2

2 ай бұрын

@@thevinisoNo, those books were trash.

@lorastra6975

Ай бұрын

​@@ShadowSonic2 Calling those books trash without having read a single one is wild. Especially when Disney had to hire a few of those authors to make their new source material.

The South Park parody sort of hit the nail on the head when Cartman was a Disney exec..."Put a CHICK in it and make it GAY 😠" does not always make a good movie

@janesgems7

2 ай бұрын

They did that with Willow The Series. It tanked.

@abraham2172

2 ай бұрын

It was hillarious, but the second part "and make her GAY" doesnt make any sence. For despite all their heroic efforts to finally give women their rightful place in the spotlight, Disney keeps a very low profile on gay characters, almost as if they didnt want to piss off the generally very intolerant and homophobic chinese audience...

@ayzix-polytopia3854

2 ай бұрын

@@abraham2172doesn’t he say “make IT gay”? As in make it lame?

@Kev376

2 ай бұрын

And I want it LAME!

@abraham2172

2 ай бұрын

@@ayzix-polytopia3854 I dont think so, but could be.

A great comparison is Dune With LOTR. All boxes checked perfectly

@S0ulinth3machin3

5 күн бұрын

except Dune is better. LOTR has some exceptionally strong material, but there's some exceptionally weak stuff scattered in there too. Dune, AFAICT, is almost flawless.

This is coming full circle too. A lot of the ideas and themes in Star Wars were taken from the Dune series and Star Wars went on to succeed in film where Dune failed. It's great to see when put into the right hands a series like Dune coming out on top of the series that basically "ripped" it off.

@rianmacdonald9454

3 ай бұрын

It is not really fare to say Dune ''failed'' as a film - as this version shows just how amazing it can be - the first Dune film failed because it was seriously mishandled and made to be some OTT cheesy crap, if it was made in a more faithful light to the books(Granted I haven't read them, yet - on the list) with a more serious tone(Like the ones made now) Then I could Dune being way bigger than star wars. Personally, I am loving these films. Excited for the 3rd in the series already.

@davidford3115

3 ай бұрын

@@rianmacdonald9454 Funny how not many people are talking about the SciFi adaptation of Dune and its sequel Children of Dune.

@John-fk2ky

3 ай бұрын

I’m not quite sure how much Lucas took from Dune. Maybe “swords in a sci fi setting”? Most of the stuff Lucas lists are Kurosawa films, Flash Gordon, old serials, and the like.

@BillGunslinger

2 ай бұрын

​@@John-fk2ky Lucas didn't rip off Dune. He was somewhat inspired by it, but Herbert always acted like he was robbed because he wanted to cash in on Star Wars success. I guess people never heard of the Barsoom series by ERB. And yes, Star Wars is basically a remake of The Hidden Fortress but in a fantasy space setting. Lucas borrowed from many works to create something unique, so it is unfair to say that Star Wars is a Dune ripoff, when Dune isn't even the main ingredient.

@abraham2172

2 ай бұрын

One shouldnt scould Star wars for "ripping off" Dune, taking inspiration from great other pieces of literature is natural and perfectly fine, so long as it isnt just simply copy paste and instead combined with new original ideas.

Denis was a fan of the books since he was 13 and back then even made little storyboards with his best friend for a movie. The books also made him want to become a cinematographer. And when ask what movie he one day wants to make he would always say "Dune" So it's quite logical that Dune really became a Star Wars killer.

@cymikgaming1266

2 ай бұрын

star wars took from dune then so dune is taking from star wars now.

@S0ulinth3machin3

5 күн бұрын

@@cymikgaming1266 I dunno about Dune "taking" from star wars. Except for "Andor", there's nothing to take. Star wars is an empty husk. It's a chocalate bar wrapper with no chocolate inside the wrapper. Disney forgot to include it.

Part 2 trashes almost anything when it comes to immersion. The pacing in the new Star Wars movies is way to hectic at times and convoluted with pointless stuff, immersion killers and terribly writen characters. Some of the actually interesting ones were butchered for no good reason in the second movie. The only thing they did well were the special fx and some of the cast I actually liked. In comparison, Dune part 2 felt like a mesmerizing holiday trip to Arrakis with hardly any flaws yet immersion breakers. Very few movies, especially when talking about sci-fi or fantasy, ever achieved such a high level of immersion. Yes, I am using that word a lot. It is most important.

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

100%

@rianmacdonald9454

3 ай бұрын

@@thejessegrant On the lines of immersion - what about the Karl Urban Dredd. I was sat bolt upright, eyes glued to the tv watching that film. Could seriously do with sequel.

@manjugoswami2233

3 ай бұрын

Nice analogy, but realistically speaking, Arrakis would be the last place for going on a holiday trip XD

@matthiasheartman1342

3 ай бұрын

@@manjugoswami2233 have a nice sandworm ride in the sunset? have a nice recycled, non-water diner with local people? just be in the desert and have a pyschedelic, life-changing experience?

@voin5371

2 ай бұрын

@@manjugoswami2233 Not unless you're going for the tan and to smoke up some of that spice melange!

I never felt the need to rewatch the Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy. That's how bad it is.

@Mahhhdeee

3 ай бұрын

Literally. I’ve seen so many films more than 5 times and I can’t pull myself to doing the same for the sequels. Shittiest trilogy of all time

@johnmitchell4043

3 ай бұрын

I fell asleep during the 2nd Disney star wars, woke up as ray and bad guy were fighting the red guards and I didn't even care. I was sad that I didn't care about star wars

@lorenzog7811

3 ай бұрын

I couldn't even get through it all. And I love star wars. It just pissed me off

@davidford3115

3 ай бұрын

I watched the first one once when Disney Channel played it. Didn't feel a need to watch anymore Disney Star Wars after that. Rogue One is the ONLY Disney Star Wars that is worthy to be called canon. The rest is corporate fanfiction.

@johnmitchell4043

3 ай бұрын

Long live Rouge One

ANDOR is the refuge for Star Wars fans who still want good storytelling, good action and good acting. And a good use of diversity too, btw.

@carbon273

2 ай бұрын

I agree. I just wish that skill set applied to more interesting characters

Imagine Denis Villeneuve in charge of a Star Wars trilogy 😮

@twincherries6698

3 ай бұрын

I thibk you really need to reevaluate what youd actually be asking for here

@theviniso

3 ай бұрын

@@twincherries6698 A Denis directed trilogy based on the expanded universe novels would be great.

@suad01

2 ай бұрын

Too late. Star wars is done.

@suad01

2 ай бұрын

Not for nothing but I'd like to see a really good adaptation of Rogue Planet or Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

@delta2372

2 ай бұрын

​@@thevinisoif this was pre 2008 before TCW set into motion the death of the EU, him making a trilogy on the mandalorian wars of the old republic and the fall of revan would have been awesome.

The best and most refreshing thing about dune is that it takes itself seriously. The quirky meta type humor of the marvel movies was cool and funny at first, but it grew tiresome very quickly. Dune has some heavy themes and handles them maturely, it's nice to see a film of it's scale directed in this way.

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

Yeah 100% I liked the quirky stuff at first but now it’s just damn annoying

@CinqueTerre558

2 ай бұрын

And how many more “marvel” acts are there to sustain “future” “sequels(?)”. NONE - unless REHASH them!👎

@adrianopereira793

Ай бұрын

Very well said!!!

Christopher Walken at 80 is the oldest cast member of Dune: Part Two (2024).

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

That’s crazy to think he’s 80!

@robstaubin867

3 ай бұрын

he was not the right actor for that part

@markkenny2001

3 ай бұрын

@@robstaubin867 I don't care.

@djayyoda

3 ай бұрын

@@robstaubin867why?

@johnmitchell4043

3 ай бұрын

Okay ...

The Lord of the Rings was considered unadaptable before Peter Jackson's trilogy came out. And yet they managed to do what was once thought impossible. Now, 20 years later, the same now can be said with Dune.

Dismay: Why are you so good? Dune: You just lack....spice badumtish

@chasx7062

3 ай бұрын

The Spice must FLOW, Denny Villanova !!!

@romankotas448

2 ай бұрын

(Feyd Rautha sneaks up behind drummer and stabs him)

the sequel trilogy had the massive advantage of NOT having to world build, unlike dune. its crazy how they wasted such an advantage not once, but thrice!

@theviniso

3 ай бұрын

It started as a soft-reboot with basically no new ideas and managed to get worse with each movie, it's amazing really.

@Ancientneutrality

Ай бұрын

@@theviniso what makes it worse is that they were poised to tell one of the best character arcs in Star Wars lore if not the best with Jacen and Jaina and they threw it all away to tell the most bland story I have ever seen

@theviniso

Ай бұрын

@@Ancientneutrality Yeah, it's such a huge wasted opportunity. The stories were written, all they had to do was film them...

The earlier Disney falls and becomes a history of the past and let other better quality shows organization takes over, the better it is for everybody.

@davidford3115

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. Split up the IPs and disperse them far and wide. One company should never hold a monopoly over so much. "One IP to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them".

@theviniso

3 ай бұрын

@@davidford3115 I very much agree but let's be honest, this is never happening. Consolidation has been the name of the game for a while now and there's already like 5 or 6 giant media conglomerates owning every fucking IP there is.

@davidford3115

3 ай бұрын

@@theviniso Copyright is the expiration date on IP. But thanks to the efforts of Disney, that has been pushed to ungodly extensions. However, copyright law is meaningless when governments don't enforce them. That is the dirty little secret. It is how Korea is able to make counterfeit versions of name brands. It is how the Palestinians are able to plagiarize Micky Mouse.

It's the source material. Frank Herbert's Dune is considered one of, if not the, best sci-fi novel of all time. The new star wars is just tired old tropes and re-hashed stories that are as boring as they were the first 100 times they used them.

@Balnazzardi

3 ай бұрын

True but it still needs talented team to turn that source material into great movies and team that stays faithful to the source material. We have seen many projects fail like recent Halo series because it lacks the kind of ppl behind it that Dune movies have

@tommo9757

3 ай бұрын

Look at Asimov's Foundation and how that's been treated recently. It's generally regarded as one of the best sci-fi book series of all time, and the lack of on-screen action should have made it easy to bring to the screen, but the disrespect for the source material means that the results lose all their attractive qualities.

@S0ulinth3machin3

5 күн бұрын

it's not just the source material. Go watch Dune 1984 (David Lynch's adaptation) for proof. Herbert was unquestionably a genius. There needed to be another genius to adapt his best work. Anything less ends up being an injustice to the source. That's why, in general, cover bands stay away from Queen. You need to have a singer with the chops to do Freddy Mercury. Unfortunately for David Lynch, he had to make Dune 1984 to discover that he didn't have what it took. Cover bands can perform a song and drop it in rehearsal when it bombs. Filmakers don't have that luxury. Films are expensive and from a business perspective, they have to be released. Clearly, Villeneuve has the chops. I am very impressed with his vision and his entire team. They killed it. It's going to be a long wait for Dune Part 3.

DUNE 2 IS DESTINED TO BE AN ALL TIME CLASSIC.

Disney chose to: - Disregard good stories that already existed, with the novels- to make up their own sh*t (the characters they created _could_ have worked & maybe been integrated, had they actually worked on a coherent storyline that would carry across an entire trilogy, rather than just operate on the expectation of current-year politics & THE MESSAGE would get them through, regardless of how crap the plot & dialogue proved to be- & whatever brain-farts KK & Roundup Johnson were having at any given time...) - Yass-ify all the female characters, whether or not they deserved it {looking at you, Holdo} - Trash where Han & Leia's relationship was at the end of the original series & regress his character, to make him look like a deadbeat dad- along with wrecking Luke's characterisation - And ignore the rules of the world that had been established...

@ShadowSonic2

2 ай бұрын

The EU was unfilmable trash, that's why it was discarded. They didn't ignore the rules any more than Lucas did. Ford wanted out, so that's why they killed Han. Oh and SW was always political.

@delta2372

2 ай бұрын

Sadly no it didn't start with disney disregarding the EU for the sequel's, it began by lucasfilms themselves (more specifically by dave filoni and pablo hidalgo) in 2008 with the creation of TCW which axed and contradicted everything from the EU, from its telling of of the clone wars to how interconnected the university was. While Disney helped to fund it, it disney isn't the soul or even primary reason why, the truth is lucasfilms themselves killed star wars, disney just accelerated it

Jesse's mounting cynicism and disappointment in Disney as he catches up to the rest of us sure is something to see. I remember when he still had optimism for people from the same company handling Spider-Man.

@sup3414

3 ай бұрын

Its obnoxious.

@mohitrawat5225

Ай бұрын

​@@sup3414actually Spider man is under Sony

I knew Dune part 2 will exceed expectations thank goodness. Thank you for this content. You are truly the best.

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

Ahaha thanks for the continued support! And yeah it truly was an amazing film!

@szgproduction6233

3 ай бұрын

@@thejessegrant yes planning to watch it again, normally don't do second screening but I was so lost with the narrative of the story and politics needed to re watch to get it haha.

Lucas stole so much from Herbert; his genius was turning a real opera into a pop hit. But let’s be real here

@MeggaMann_theBlueLion

3 ай бұрын

Facts

@traviss9059

3 ай бұрын

The first time watching Dune with my gf, half way through she turns to me and goes "this is a lot like Star Wars with like the force and stuff" I'm like yeah this is what Star Wars is based on. Hero with special powers leaves a sandy planet with hostile desert people to help save the galaxy... Hero with special powers goes to a sandy planet with hostile desert people to help save the galaxy.

@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526

3 ай бұрын

Dune ripped off from other books as well.Arrakis was just another version of Barsoom.

@MeggaMann_theBlueLion

3 ай бұрын

Well to be fair they all ripped off the Foundation (1951) books written by Issac Asimov which looks at the crumbling of a galactic empire from the perspective of the planet Terminus, located on the Empire's outer edge. Terminus is home to the Foundation, a community formed by a mathematician who could predict the future and the Empire's inevitable demise. George Lucas Star Trek and on have eluded to this book but none could fully duplicate it. Too I’m depth. But many artists from music to movies to sports all use things from others to create their own with original signature stamps. Not a bad thing or good. Just a thing. With that said Dune still holds its own.

@Siloguy

3 ай бұрын

​@@MeggaMann_theBlueLionI think Herbert was more influenced by Lawrence of Arabia than Asimov.

I find it interesting that the late actor Max Von Sydow played in the original 1984 Dune. Was in StarWars The Force Awakens. His character was killed off by Kylo Ren. And Oscar Isaac, who played Poe the Rebel X wing pliot. Went on to play Paul's father, Leto Duke of Atriedes, in the remake. I've seen Dune 2 in IMAX this past weekend. It was excellent 👏

@kylemay6043

3 ай бұрын

Nice job connecting those dots!

@mrdavman13

3 ай бұрын

I’ve seen dune part 2 three times already. Denis cannot take my money fast enough

Dune Part 2 was great. Definitely a lot of crazy plot twists. Was not just constant action thrown in your face. Really made you think sometimes

I loved Star Wars as a kid, now I love Dune as an adult. That's pretty telling considering Dune is the original.

Disney SW will go down in history as being the biggest disaster that destroyed a perfect IP. I hope Disney never recovers. They SUCK. Dune 2 was phenomenal.

@davidford3115

3 ай бұрын

Kurtzman and Bad Robot are trying to rival KK for the title "Destroyer of Worlds".

@seancarterx

3 ай бұрын

I agree disney destroyed the Star Wars IP but let’s not pretend it was “perfect” to begin with. Star Wars has been a mixed IP every single the prequel trilogy, which is still miles better than modern Star Wars

@BillGunslinger

2 ай бұрын

I was more heartbroken by the awful Hobbit trilogy than what Disney did to Star Wars. But honestly I was older when the sequel trilogy came out and didn't care as much as when I was a teenager waching Desolation of Smaug.

@hoineenietjij3331

Ай бұрын

@@seancarterxThe thing with Star Wars is, the story potential is unreal and just unlimeted. But somehow they just screw up. Imagine the makes of dune directing Star Wars… Dune 2 was indeed a masterpiece and really mature. Disney only seeks for money and not quality storytelling

Other examples: Halloween Ends disrespected Michael Myers Scream 2022 disrespected Dewey Riley and Judy Hicks Terminator: Dark Fate disrespected John Conner Willow 2022 disrespected Willow and Mad Martigan The Witcher S3 disrespected Geralt Velma disrespected the entire Scooby Doo franchise Doctor Strange MoM disrespected Wanda and Doctor Strange, as well as Mr. Fantastic and Professor Xavier

@davidford3115

3 ай бұрын

Kurtzman's Picard disrespected The Next Generation. Discovery disrespected The Original Series Trek.

@steakinbacon8593

2 ай бұрын

You forgot to add rings of power to that list

@ParkerCS2

2 ай бұрын

@@steakinbacon8593 yes thank you! I forgot. They ruined Sauron being from a abstract eldritch evil force that wasn’t human in nature and beyond comprehension and understanding to a generic humanoid male who was a pathetic simp who only becomes evil and doesn’t turn into a benevolent being when a girl rejects him. 😑🤦

@metal_fusion

2 ай бұрын

@@ParkerCS2 And this is just the tip of the iceberg! Don’t forget about the video games portrayals of beloved characters

@ParkerCS2

2 ай бұрын

@@metal_fusion yes like Joel from TLOU

every movie Disney makes has somehow turned into a comedy

Watching Dune 2 this past weekend it became so crystal clear that modern day SW is just an embarrassment of complete dogshit. Disney has dropped the ball so badly I'm not sure there's any way for them to come back now.

Disney nuked Disney Star Wars

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@sci-fihorizons2867

Ай бұрын

They used their House (of Mouse) Atomics

"They may be not be great people." focuses on Lady Jessica. lol

Disney remind me of Vince McMahon. Vince was always someone that was said, if he didn’t make it, create it or if it wasn’t his idea, he would hate it and destroy it because he could never understand why people loved it. Anything that got over somewhere else or got over without his hands in the pie (War Games, ECW, most WCW or ECW wrestlers, Broken Matt Hardy, Bray Wyatt) he would wade in and destroy it so he could remake it in his image. Disney picked up all of these IPs, Star Wars, Muppets, Predator, Home Alone, Marvel, Willow but have clearly no understanding as to what made these properties so beloved so they try remaking them in their own image without the heart of what made the properties what they are … then when it doesn’t work, they blame the fans - the fans who WOULD have gone to see it regardless.

Honestly, the fact that as consumers, we have to fight and argue for our right to even discuss our honest opinions should already be enough of a warning sign to content creaters. Decades ago, when Coke was advertising its new formula and improved taste, they never belittled or insulted their customer base for feeling put off by the different taste. While you could argue that it was a conspiracy to drive up sales when they restored their classic formula, at least they didn't pretend their own consumers were crazy for rejecting a new product.

The script to this video is way better than any Disney shows in the last 2 yrs. Good job

It's also a matter of the writers and directors who understand and are passionate about the genre. Disney is hiring directors who have no experience or passion for the genre of movies they are directing.

There was not a second of visuals, or dialogue with Dune 1/2 that I thought “wait, this doesn’t make sense in this universe”. Complete immersion. Marvel and Star Wars, I’m thinking that like every other line (the girls scene for the final Marvels comes to mind, or the casino scene in the Star Wars sequel).

I'll be back for this video after I watch Part 2 but the title fills me with hope

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

Ahahah I hope you enjoy it!

@AlkalineInsides

3 ай бұрын

When are you seeing it?

Tho not quite as good the only comparison that does justice to how well made the Dune movies are in terms of story, music, acting & visual spectacle is The Lord Of The Rings trilogy. Really hope they make a 3rd film to wrap up the franchise.

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

Yeah me too I’d love to see a third film!

@hrbacon

3 ай бұрын

Wrap up the franchise? They are just done with book 1 of 6. As cool as they made Feyd-rautha, I cannot wait to see what they do with Leto II. I think that's what this movie did for me, it gave me faith that they could adapt the rest of the series, hitting the major themes, without going into jarring exposition dumps. We haven't seen the Guild, Tlielaxu, or CHOAM, so I'm guessing Messiah will introduce those concepts.

Well technically Stars Wars copied Dune, because the Dune books came out long before the first star wars movies..plus star wars was geared towards children not adults..I would say Dune is by far superior than anything Stars wars delivered..and with all the dune books, we could easily see so many more Dune movies to come..I pray so

Dune was good because they adapted the work of a brilliant writer. Game of Thrones was good until they ran out of Martin’s work. Modern writers have no talent because they don’t have real experiences.

@davidford3115

3 ай бұрын

Same with Peter Jackson's LotR trilogy. He had good material to work with. "The Hobbit" was too long because despite Jackosn salvaging a project that went off the rails, they made the story too long by inserting "original content" that made it longer without actually adding anything of value. Which brings us to Rings of Power which was completely unmoored to Tolkien Source material and was a poor attempt to mimic and pantomime Jackson's film while being completely disrespectful to the source material. Notice a trend here?

@TheJimSkipper

3 ай бұрын

@@davidford3115right!

@davidford3115

3 ай бұрын

@@TheJimSkipper I will point out that anime is successful because like Peter Jackson, they have good material to work with from the manga and light novels. As for Rings of Power, they could have made a story about the Blue Wizards for which little is actually known, beyond that they traveled first to the east and later in the south. That could have given them their "diversity" in a natural way rather than ham fisted.

@TheJimSkipper

3 ай бұрын

@@davidford3115good point. Amazon had great source material, but they thought they could do better than Tolkein, without even understanding him .

The height of Disney's world building can be summed up in "They fly now? Yep, they fly now" or "Somehow, Palpatine has returned"

As much as I love Star Wars, episodes 1-6, Dune is far superior as far as a story goes. Sure Star wars had it visual effects, as well as a great story, Dune is something else. I really don't have the words, Dune is in it's own class.

@danielmeistre1138

3 ай бұрын

There is a clear maturity and elegance to the new Dune films that put it above Star Wars and other fantasy films.

Dune part 2 is a beautiful movie and a cinematic epic that you really need to experience on the biggest screen possible. On strictly its own merits as a movie, it is the best sci fi movie in many years. It certainly knocks Disney Star Wars into a cocked hat on every level. With all that said though, it does take critical liberties with the source material that means it isn't a very good adaptation of Dune for readers of the books. If you are a book reader, try to turn off that part of your brain that carries the lore from the source material for a coupe of hours and enjoy the spectacle for what it is. If you want a much more faithful adaptation of Dune, the Sci Fi Channel miniseries of Dune (2000) and Children of Dune (2003) have got you covered. Even if the early 2000's CGI is a bit wonky and they were made on a comparative shoe string budget, they are still very much worth watching to see a highly accurate rendition of Frank Herbert's original vision brought to life on screen.

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

100% must be seen on the big screen

@MS-ii1sv

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. My buddy enjoyed it alot but I had a hard time because I couldn't turn my Dune brain off.

@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954

3 ай бұрын

@@MS-ii1sv I know what you mean. It was beautiful, and I could see how much craft had gone into it, but some of the changes were so difficult to ignore for a book reader that they got to me despite my best efforts.

@MS-ii1sv

3 ай бұрын

@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 I think my biggest frustration is that the books being so dense is the excuse to take liberties however Villeneuve still manages to waste 30 to 45 minutes of screen time. I don't really want to hear why x or y was underdeveloped when you expand Zendaya's after school special snotty teenager role.

@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954

3 ай бұрын

​@@MS-ii1sv I agree completely that, as a book fan, I couldn't help but feel that some of the screen time spent in the film on somewhat odd priorities might have been better spent on other things, like making Chani, well, recognisable as Chani as depicted in the books instead of the character we got, that I have seen being referred to as 'Chan-deya'. The same goes for the mystifying choice to go with a comedy relief take on Stilgar and the strangely villainised version of Lady Jessica. As Nerd Cookies pointed out, the Sci Fi Channel miniseries of Dune from nearly twenty five years ago covered more of the material from the original book far more faithfully than these movies have, and did so with an hour less total run time than the combined run time of Dune parts one and two, so the 'unadaptable', 'unfilmable' argument is already well and truly debunked.

Look at Sarah Conner in "Terminator". There was a real story arc there. From an inept waitress driving a moped and getting stood up for a date at the last minute. Slowly, she became stronger and became a partner, then a leader. In "T2", she was shown growing physically stronger, more clever and determined to stop the projected future from happening. Not until she realized that she had, in effect, become a Terminator herself did she pull back, and start regaining her humanity. Or Ripley, who was strong, smart and resourceful in "Alien". But in "Aliens", she is scared, at first unwilling to return to face the creatures again. It isn't until she is faced with becoming a surrogate mother that she truly becomes a hero, and fights not to save the universe, but for the life of one very brave and resourceful little girl. In both cases, there was depth to the character. And although "Star Wars" was bad, probably the worst were the changes from the animated "Mulan" to the live action remake. In the animated version, there was a character arc, as Mulan learned to overcome obstacles. In the live action version, she was just given those powers. We can see the difference, but Lucas himself sowed the seeds for this sort of "excellence by birth" with the introduction of "midochlorians". You either have them, or you don't. If you don't, it doesn't matter what you do or how hard you train. You won't be a Jedi Knight. In short, you are born with extraordinary powers, or you're not.

@ParkerCS2

3 ай бұрын

And just because you aren’t able to become a Jedi doesn’t mean you can’t be special in Star Wars. Not everyone needs the force to be special. It’s like saying every character in Avatar: The Last Airbender, Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings can’t be special if you don’t have magical powers. It’s untrue.

@janesgems7

3 ай бұрын

Yep....and being women capable of love only enriched those characters. I realised the ST was going to fail when Daisy Ridley was quoted shortly before TROS as saying Rey 'didn't need a boyfriend'.

Desert planet. A galactic empire and an emperor. A power who lets its trained masters command people to follow their order. A hero who's father/grandfather is a villain. Spice mining. Space smugglers. Traveling through space with jumps through hyperspace. *Yes, whoever says Lucas wasn't inspired by Frank Herbert's famous novel is either ignorant or in deep denial* . And let's not mention Akira Kurosawa's "Hidden Fortress", John Ford westerns, 30's and 40's serials and WWII aerial combat films. Piece of inspiration here, piece of inspiration there. Lightning in a bottle in the hangover years and malaise era of the 70's.

@Siloguy

3 ай бұрын

yeah Lucas was inspired by a lot of sources, Dune being one of them, the Jedi and the Bene Gesserit voice, the sword fighting etc. Actually I think the prequels was Lucas' attempt to build a back story to his universe as rich as Herbert did for Dune, he kind of failed at it though

I loved dune part 2. It was a cinematic masterpiece. Visually stunning and wasn’t trying to force “the message” it was purely entertainment.

@AweSean-wv3xo

3 ай бұрын

The film was literally about how colonialism is cringe and the abuse of religion in service of power tho what are you on

@fionadrennan314

3 ай бұрын

@@AweSean-wv3xo you don’t understand what message I’m talking about. So we’ll just agree to disagree. I watch critical drinker. And it’s a term he uses frequently.

@AweSean-wv3xo

3 ай бұрын

@@fionadrennan314 Lol so what message are you on about

I had never been a huge fan of Zendaya before, didn't dislike her, but never felt she elevated a role that I had seen her in. Dune 2 changed that for me, she absolutely nailed the way I feel the audience should feel by Paul's actions "right" or "wrong" I think we all felt that gut punch, and in that moment it's clear the audience in general is experiencing the story now through Chani's eyes. The rug was pulled from us also, and it was a brilliant way to use that emotional attachment we had built up over the past 2 hours. That sense of hurt Chani felt is felt through the screen, and by other stories removing that from their story, they actually ruin the possibility of letting their actors act, and show what they are capable of.

The movies of Dune world building are finally on par with the scope, breadth and ambition of Lord of the Rings. Finally! Although a skillful adaptation of the source material really helped. Bravo Denis!

Hollywood needs to relearn the Rocky formula. The hero should always take a beating in the beginning to motivate them to improve through learning and training, male or female this is called a story arc (film school basics). The audience then has the chance to join the protagonist on their journey and root for them to overcome the antagonist (s). Look at Luke Skywalker, Batman in the Dark Knight Begins, Sante from the 36th Chamber of Shaolin.

Dune is the Alpha Gigachad of Sci Fi epics.

Star Wars Dune: "Somehow Baron Harkonnen returned" Actual Dune: "Somehow Baron Harkonnen returned"

Well done, with a great amount of perspective on the original story

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

The total disregard of the fan base ia Disney mortal downfall

I would have loved to been at Disney’s Monday (03/04/34) boardroom meeting. I’m sure there was a lot of shouting and maybe crying that Dune pt 2 80+ million doesn’t go to the Mouse.😂😂😂

Damn good breakdown of this subject Grant 🤙

You make a compelling case. I'd like to make videos like this one soon. Do you have any advice for a beginning KZreadr?

Disney's biggest problem is misandry. The overriding effort in all recent Disney output is: 'white man bad'. Everything else became secondary. When they fired the filmmakers and replaced them with activists, what did they expect?

@mania4270

3 ай бұрын

Dude.....the message of this movie was literally "white man bad". Every white dude in this movie is portrayed in a negative light. Even Paul. This film was literally a criticism on white lead narratives. Instead of freeing the fremen, Paul takes advantage of them and their beliefs and leads them to war. This movie is very woke. You idiots are just so blindly mad at Disney to see it.

@AweSean-wv3xo

3 ай бұрын

Retarded take on why disney is bad

@janesgems7

3 ай бұрын

It's infected the fans. I was accused of 'putting the white character in front of the Black male lead' by an angry poster on the Jedi Council Forums because I said the ST should have been about Ben Solo on a thread dedicated to Finn. It led to me being perma banned by them. I've seen a respectable news site accuse reylos of supporting a 'white supremacy ship', Kylo fans called 'Nazis', and anyone who remotely liked reylo told they support toxic relationships. Like Disney people these days seem to have forgotten that film is primarily to entertain and not push an agenda. Dune is great because it was written years before 'woke' reared its ugly head. I doubt if anything like that will ever appear again.

@mania4270

3 ай бұрын

@@janesgems7 that's because you guys are. Every non white involved with star wars got harassed off social media because many white dudes kept hacking their accounts. Not one white actor who's been in star wars has had anywhere near that level of harassment and it's literally because Finn had a darker complexion. You idiots act like you're this innocent fans that just wanna see quality entertainment but really you're just gatekeeping racist nerds. Why even mention kylo on a Finn forum? What does that white dude have to do with Finn? You knew what you were doing and got properly dealt with

@janesgems7

3 ай бұрын

@@mania4270 I'm not a guy I'm a 'gal'. If anyone was racially harassed it was Kelly Tran, who had to go off social media because of it while your Finn fan friends described her as 'inferior' to Rey. Why, because she wasn't white? And then had the cheek to say I was racist for mentioning a white fictional character in a forum dedicated to a black one. None of you trolls know what I am as a person. NONE of you. By the way, John Boyega aka Finn said a truly revolting comment about Daisy Ridley on Twitter and faced zero repercussions for it.

I cant take the female "look at me we are different" nonsense in videogames leads and movies leads and tv shows leads EVERYWHERE when it should be a man! and all the "must include LGBT" crap in everything. I have not seen a show or movie in years without some gay/lesbo twist be put in our faces, it's absolutely ridiculous! When it should be a male lead THEN USE A DAMN MALE LEAD! Geezus! AMEN TO DUNE IT WAS ALL AMAZING! BRING MORE SEQUELS DENI PLEASE!🙏

@JP-eu2dc

3 ай бұрын

The only diversity we need is different cultures, skin tones, and ethnic backgrounds, everything else is irrelevant. I soo agree with you

I just laughed so hard I spat on my keyboard, and I'm not 20 seconds into your video. Nicely done sir.

Most of the writers for these MCU movies aren't fans of comic books and aren't familiar with the characters they're writing about. Denis Villeneuve had been dreaming about making these films since he was a teenager. People running things at Disney wouldn't know passion if it was staring them in the face and even if they did, they'd ignore it

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that true raw passion Denis has shines through so much in Dune

Compared to Dune, Star Wars is for babies.

@SkellyPlays0504

Ай бұрын

Not old Star Wars, it would awesome if they crossed over in my opinion but it wouldn’t work because of the more grounded combat of dune

@Corion2121

Ай бұрын

@@SkellyPlays0504 - couldn’t disagree more. After realizing that basically every single element that made Star Wars interesting was inspired from Dune, it highlights how unoriginal SW as a franchise is.

Wow, you said this so well!! Congrats 👏👏👏

Watched Dune 2 yesterday. It was so refreshing to watch something with the story in focus, my mind was blown away and i have been so happy since. The pure joy of watching an actual epic story again. That same feeling i got back with LOTR.

Now I'm kinda glad that I haven't seen any of the new Star Wars movies after the "third episode".

The biggest difference is that Dune stuck to Cannon, where Disney completely went off script for Star wars. There are so many Star wars books written about the post empire era, the thron trilogy, the young Jedi knights books, yet they chose to ignore all that source material that the fan base enjoyed and chose to infantalize the storyline, completely missing the whole feeling of the world that had already been well fleshed out.

Spot on. Disney did not respect the source material or the fan base. Excellent point that that’s exactly who they’re attempting to market to. D’oh!

I'm going to be running around screaming "Muad'Dib!" like a Fremen jihadi for a while after this movie. So happy they stuck the landing.

@mrdavman13

3 ай бұрын

Paul: *farts* Stilgar: LISAN AL GAIB

Exactly what I have been saying to my friend. Pleasantly can forget what sequel trilogy could have been. And part two was what we needed

still crazy that Disney went into adding 33% of the main content of the biggest movie franchise ever with no plan

You cannot redeem nor rescue tainted companies.

Disney got from being the Juggernaut of the industry to a joke on par with DCEU

i am definitely watching dune 2

@thejessegrant

3 ай бұрын

You’ll 100% enjoy it

@mrdavman13

3 ай бұрын

Seen it three times in a week. It’s fcking good man

@finthevoiceactor

3 ай бұрын

@@thejessegrant watched it yesterday, twas very good and i enjoyed it a lot

8:15 i think the thing is that harry potter had source material to follow so instead of changing plans the new directors were like a new look at it. Its why harry potter (or as i call them 'arry 'otter) was such a good movie franchise.

I haven't watched the last 2 seasons of GoT, the last X many episodes of Star Wars, the last Indiana Johnes and the list goes on because I wanted to keep the memories of a good show intact, Dune it the first series in the last decade that finally brings both hope and joy to people like me. After more than 5 years I finally have visited the cinema.

"effortless" is a understatement. Dennis put his foot in it!

Thx for the video!

Great video. I believe the part of no disrespecting the base is the most important because original fans are the main reason why any franchise is successful and worth watching. Some movies that respected the fan base like Rogue One have been able to be successful because of it.

You hit the nail on the head. Disney kills everything it touches. Happy to hear Dune 2 is doing so well.

Love love LOVE your essay. Diversity is great, it's not a bad thing, I think it's vital, but you still have to have a GOOD story to tell, you have to tell it well, and the characters have to be human, with flaws, textures that can be explored. What is great about Dune 1 & 2 (the first three books have long been favorites of mine) is that Villeneuve embraced the complex and tragic message of Dune, the danger of charismatic leaders. We have a mega-hit centered on a character who gives in to his darkest impulses, Someone at Disney and Marvel, please pay attention! Focus on a good textured story, with protagonists who are HUMAN.

I actually thought exactly this yesterday while watching Dune pt.2 - wow, I'm watching an adult sci-fi film, unlike the last Star Wars trilogy.

'- when Incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me-' Lady hulk explaining Bruce's own area of expertise to him

Fair assessment mate. Dune stayed true to its source material and wonderfully translated it to the big screen. Respect

Both Dune movies were amazing in their own ways. Dune does perfect intro to the world, it makes you very interested in the dune world and second movie, just amazing.

I had been looking forward to Dune part 2, being a fan of the books. Some but very little differences between the 2, but they nailed it. I LOVED part 2. I haven’t wanted to go see a movie again right after watching it in a very long time. I can’t wait for messiah! I hope they don’t stop there either.

Pretty sure Disney Star Wars self destructed a while ago

I first experienced Denis Villeneuve watching the movie Incendies. Unforgettable to this day. His greatness is always on display.

Nice video!

Dune is a master piece, it's been years since a true spectacular film has been realized. An instant classic.