HereToServe-NY | Hosts Were Never True Christians | Talk Heathen 06.24

Talk Heathen 06.24 for June 12, 2022 with Jmike and ObjectivelyDan.
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  • @fredodonnell3323
    @fredodonnell33232 жыл бұрын

    If belief in God produces guys like this, no thank you, you can keep your religion and beliefs to yourself. The hosts are the type of people I side with.

  • @DaveCM

    @DaveCM

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm with you. If Christianity is true, I don't want to spend eternity with the majority of those pricks

  • @gazza595

    @gazza595

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed, when you look at the really vile people that pop out of these religions it's sad to see just how many keep on with this shit.

  • @hereticapostate9560

    @hereticapostate9560

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DaveCM are you saying you’d go to heaven or hell? You did say MAJORITY…I say hell. Lol

  • @Ubermichello72

    @Ubermichello72

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hereticapostate9560 You obviously missed the "IF" in that statement, but what you did is read into it of course and that is to be expected LOL!

  • @tonydarcy1606
    @tonydarcy16062 жыл бұрын

    I think this caller could start an argument in an empty house.

  • @adamgrayskull1587

    @adamgrayskull1587

    2 жыл бұрын

    And still lose.

  • @CAPSLOCKPUNDIT

    @CAPSLOCKPUNDIT

    2 жыл бұрын

    He is never the smartest man in the room, even when he returns home to his momma's basement.

  • @Farce13

    @Farce13

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT the roaches he shares a living space with are far more intelligent

  • @JohnLeePettimoreIII

    @JohnLeePettimoreIII

    Жыл бұрын

    i actually audibly chuckled when i read this comment. well said!! (my hamster thinks i am crazy now.)

  • @diverguy3556

    @diverguy3556

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@JohnLeePettimoreIII Your hamster confided to me that he is very worried about you.

  • @rayxav
    @rayxav2 жыл бұрын

    You KNOW you’re going for a ride when the caller, instead of explaining what they are saying, keeps repeating what the hosts have asked for clarity on. This guy is so high on the smell of his own emissions that he doesn’t know how to have a conversation.

  • @Currin4

    @Currin4

    2 жыл бұрын

    And talks faster and faster haha.

  • @eh9618

    @eh9618

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Currin4 he's probably a good candidate for fastest gish galloper in the world..

  • @jayrock497

    @jayrock497

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Currin4 He’s one of those that think “if I talk really fast, loud and laugh here and there I WIN” poor fella.

  • @barbiedahl

    @barbiedahl

    2 жыл бұрын

    He's a malignant narcissist, too.

  • @romankvapil9184

    @romankvapil9184

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dude’s like a child child that has ADD and is on a sugar high.

  • @Xynth22
    @Xynth222 жыл бұрын

    These overly zealous callers are so annoying. They get so aggressive and condescending because they are too caught up with trying to "win" and "own the atheist" rather than just trying to have a conversation and come to an understanding about something.

  • @doneestoner9945

    @doneestoner9945

    2 жыл бұрын

    This caller was really getting on my nerves.

  • @james4582

    @james4582

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Nick Baynes That’s pretty much his “argument LOL

  • @rrpostalagain

    @rrpostalagain

    2 жыл бұрын

    He was so angry and condescending in pointing out his argument did not need to be logical. As if the very idea was insulting to him.

  • @mattjindrak

    @mattjindrak

    Ай бұрын

    But it's so satisfying and funny when all their bullshit gets refuted

  • @smequals
    @smequals2 жыл бұрын

    Even if this caller was 100% right (which he isn't at all), I find him to be a terrible human being and reject him outright.

  • @Mumble8988

    @Mumble8988

    2 жыл бұрын

    The moment he started repeating himself over and over again like “Faith, Faith, Faaaaaith, is the Proof, Prooooof, Pa-roooooooo-F, let me say it one more time, Pro-oooooo-Ff of things you can not, Can Not see” I was like: *sigh* 🙄😬

  • @smequals

    @smequals

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Mumble8988 I think what did it for me was his use of the word "sovereign". It's like he heard that word in church and has now tried to use it in every sentence he possibly can.

  • @oldcountryboy

    @oldcountryboy

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most christians online aren't very good people I have argued with Some they lie They call you names Leave and make fun of you You catch them in their Lies and then they get really angry

  • @kayb9979

    @kayb9979

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@smequals Perhaps he is a "Sovereign Citizen".

  • @LillyTheLonelySock

    @LillyTheLonelySock

    2 жыл бұрын

    Great point. I think that's something a lot of Christians totally miss - the fact that they come off as such awful people that even if they were right their behaviour can be terrible and disturbing.

  • @MsMsmak
    @MsMsmak2 жыл бұрын

    This caller is beyond any interaction. I'm impressed that you would continue the call like you have.

  • @lcceo22

    @lcceo22

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’m not, they give this rodent far too much of a platform to perform his antics

  • @barbiedahl

    @barbiedahl

    2 жыл бұрын

    I believe he's been permanently banned from either talk Heathen or The Atheist Experience because he's not a good faith interlocutor.

  • @foddyfoddy

    @foddyfoddy

    2 жыл бұрын

    He actually made some (very few) good points. For example, every argument doesn't have to be syllogistic. A pity the hosts didn't admit that. It made them look a bit silly.

  • @jewsco

    @jewsco

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@foddyfoddy no he didn’t he was talking utter nonsense. Your evidence has to syllogistic if you have no evidence and are trying and failing at logic.

  • @twig8523

    @twig8523

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@foddyfoddy No that wasn't a good point. Delicieux was the one who fixated on syllogisms there; not the hosts. Guy just aggressively jumped on & tried pushing an obviously bad-faith misrepresentation of what had been said. If he wasn't all over the board, it would have been clear that they weren't restricting argument to a syllogism specifically, but rather that an argument should be well-reasoned.

  • @liveesunflower
    @liveesunflower2 жыл бұрын

    This is Mr. Delicieux who trolls all of the atheist shows with his 7 day week nonsense. He just likes to hear himself talk. He’s obviously unemployed since he has all of this time to call all of these shows

  • @sister_bertrille911

    @sister_bertrille911

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. I recognized his voice but didn't remember his name. He's one of the more tiresome callers, as he never changes his arguments, even when they've been debunked, and he's super smug.

  • @Zachorazor1

    @Zachorazor1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Is It relevant to refer to his assumed employment status, as a means of bellittlement, though?

  • @DulceN

    @DulceN

    2 жыл бұрын

    He calls himself a ‘pastor’, so yes, he has an easy job if any. Lol.

  • @DulceN

    @DulceN

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Zachorazor1 Why not?

  • @barbiedahl

    @barbiedahl

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Zachorazor1 he's an arrogant condescending little s*** and anything you can belittle him about is fair game. If he wasn't such a bad faith interlocutor I would think otherwise but he deserves every bit of disparagement he gets.

  • @Fernando-ek8jp
    @Fernando-ek8jp2 жыл бұрын

    This man has confused faith, evidence, hypotheses, arguments to just mean whatever he wants

  • @geezzerboy

    @geezzerboy

    2 жыл бұрын

    "Swinehood hath no remedy."

  • @Fernando-ek8jp

    @Fernando-ek8jp

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@geezzerboy Not sure I understand

  • @geezzerboy

    @geezzerboy

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Fernando-ek8jp I'm not surprised. There's a thing called Google, ask your mommy about it.

  • @Fernando-ek8jp

    @Fernando-ek8jp

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@geezzerboy i did. I am also not sure what I said to deserve the condescending tone

  • @eh9618

    @eh9618

    2 жыл бұрын

    if he believes those terms means whatever he wants them to mean, he will make believe it to be "true"

  • @timothybrown5999
    @timothybrown59992 жыл бұрын

    I fully believed Jesus was divine, was my savior and that the Bible was true. Then I turned 7 and began questioning. Then I became a teen and realized I didn’t know which Bible stories were real and which were parables (like the other myths I studied). By my 20s I was fully deconverted. I was a Christian, but now I am not. This argument is like me saying I was never truly a boy, I was always a man, it’s nonsense.

  • @starfishsystems

    @starfishsystems

    2 жыл бұрын

    The caller right out of the gate made his definition work for the conclusion that he wanted to reach. It would be like saying, "I define healthy food as anything I prefer to eat. Therefore I can prove that all the dieticians and nutritionists are wrong." There's no reasoning with a person who is so profoundly dishonest. Then of course there's the other matter of claiming to know what other people think better than they know themselves. That's both dishonest and disrespectful, and just a little bit narcissistic. It happens to be a No True Scotsman fallacy as well, which again has a definitional flaw at its core. In short, there's no reason to give any respect to this caller's claims. They serve only to showcase how bad such claims can be and yet somehow still be favored by people who prefer their internal story to reality. Meanwhile we have examples like yours which are both logically coherent and entirely plausible according to all that we know of human nature. Which to believe, your story, or the caller's? Hmm. Tough question.

  • @brucebaker810

    @brucebaker810

    Жыл бұрын

    Or the argument asserts that you're still a boy. "La la la I deny your growth"

  • @joelinbody9949
    @joelinbody99492 жыл бұрын

    I don't want anyone this arrogant being "sovereign" over me. Kind of a scary thought.

  • @AdmiralBison

    @AdmiralBison

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately they can take their sovereign over other people by voting for anti-abortion, prayer in schools, ban same sex marriage, regulate relationships...pretty much legislate other peoples' personal lives to the point we live in a theocracy like Saudi Arabia.

  • @LexaJ828
    @LexaJ8282 жыл бұрын

    I think the most interesting part is you can always hear the smile in his voice. He’s laughing the entire time. This interaction is genuinely fun for him, while unbearable for everyone else. I wonder if every interaction he has with other humans is the same. 🤔

  • @CyberBeep_kenshi

    @CyberBeep_kenshi

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ye it was very clear. Either he is a poe or very confused (to keep it polite)... so annoying

  • @chibbersthesquirrel6189

    @chibbersthesquirrel6189

    2 жыл бұрын

    It didn't come across that way to me at all. I think the laughter was more nervous, panicked and frustrated laughter. I've seen lots of people who, when they fail to make a point, fall back to smugly laughing in order to try to make it look like their point is "so obvious" and the person they're talking to just doesn't get it, but it's very transparent.

  • @baxi3838_SG

    @baxi3838_SG

    2 жыл бұрын

    his a pastor where he is always entitled and privileged....just like in every church settings

  • @klocke5247

    @klocke5247

    2 жыл бұрын

    He can't believe how stupid everyone else is. That's what's going on in his mind, and there's literally no way to get through to that little squirrel brain.

  • @DulceN

    @DulceN

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chibbersthesquirrel6189 Then you should listen to the very many calls he’s made to all the atheists shows. Yes, every single time the fool comes across as extremely smug, prepotent, arrogant, self-important and demeaning, among other things.

  • @zemorph42
    @zemorph422 жыл бұрын

    Hebrews describes faith as a stand in for evidence. It is literally "this is the truth because I believe it is," and every Christian knows that.

  • @Fernando-ek8jp

    @Fernando-ek8jp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly, he even said it himself, then proceeded to change the definition.

  • @zemorph42

    @zemorph42

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@spocksvulcanbrain This is one of the passages they've heard from the pulpits countless times, along with many sermons accusing them of not having enough faith if they are not getting their prayers answered. Many, many sermons are about faith and how they can have miracles in their lives if they only believe hard enough.

  • @zemorph42

    @zemorph42

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@spocksvulcanbrain Fortunately for me, my first religious mentor, while nutty himself, had good advice about not letting mere humans tell me what the Bible meant, including him. It probably kept me from falling too far down the fundie rabbit hole.

  • @markevans8206
    @markevans82062 жыл бұрын

    The angry arrogance of people that believe to know things they do not know.

  • @treemu
    @treemu2 жыл бұрын

    The old Darth Dawkins way of argumenting: 1. Spew a stream of prewritten script 2. Your opponent asks for clarification 3. Mock their intelligence and repeat the entire script 4. You are told to clarify on a minor detail on how your argument makes sense 5. Repeat from step 3 until your opponent gives up or goes along for the sake of the argument 6. Present a false dichotomy 7. Your fallacy is pointed out and explained to you 8. Claim your opponent is afraid to answer the question/agree with the argument and repeat from step 3 or 6 9. Claim victory over any perceived mistake your opponent made or over them not agreeing to your fallacious ways or 10. If the debate/conversation was moderated accuse the moderator for not being fair ie. let you continue in your fallacies for as long as you want

  • @AdmiralBison

    @AdmiralBison

    2 жыл бұрын

    yeah, I get many dishonest callers have scripts, use strategies etc... In the end what does it matter,, Religion and their beliefs still fail to provide evidence for their god(s) And Religion never will provide evidence (even discard evidence to the contrary) because it's all predicated on faith.

  • @mrnajafproductions6144
    @mrnajafproductions6144 Жыл бұрын

    This caller is the kind of person who would hug himself and say thank you after a wank

  • @Steve0272.
    @Steve0272.2 жыл бұрын

    What's most worrying is that the caller genuinly believes he proved something .... well he did just not what he thinks though

  • @areid5907

    @areid5907

    2 жыл бұрын

    My first thought: Nah, this caller can't be fore reAL, but then again a brainwashed person has no idea they are brainwashed. The eye cannot see itself.

  • @Julian0101

    @Julian0101

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@areid5907 Poe's law strikes again

  • @areid5907

    @areid5907

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Julian0101 I can really hardly believe the dude was for real, I mean this isn't 1650.... I was thinking of making a website the Answer to Theism 2022, but who would take that seriously when everybody's mum & dad tells them about Jesus & the Easter bunny.

  • @richardctaylor79
    @richardctaylor792 жыл бұрын

    If this guy pulled this shit at my University the professors would laugh and fail him...

  • @MrCanis4

    @MrCanis4

    2 жыл бұрын

    The professors in the all of Europe would laugh and fail him.

  • @cjgt77
    @cjgt772 жыл бұрын

    Right from the start, the caller basically admitted that you have to be myopic and narrow-minded in order to believe the Bible. Some Christians have to argue as if we never progressed since the Iron Age. 😄 "Calendar guy" is no exception .

  • @ephramwalton
    @ephramwalton2 жыл бұрын

    Bless his heart. There is no way he has anybody else to talk to, especially about this nonsense.

  • @merbst

    @merbst

    2 жыл бұрын

    I suggest he should start an ant farm to have someone to talk to !

  • @acspicer

    @acspicer

    11 ай бұрын

    Regardless of what he says, he sounds like a furious chihuahua on an 8 ball of cocaine

  • @glenhill9884
    @glenhill98842 жыл бұрын

    PLEASE ban this guy. DON'T tell him to come back with a better argument. He doesn't HAVE one.

  • @andreant862
    @andreant8622 жыл бұрын

    How to play Pigeon Chess in 5 steps: 1) Refuse to learn the rules, make your own 2) Move the pieces in the same pattern each time 3) When your oppent responds start knocking pieces over 4) Sh** on the board 5) Fly away declaring victory

  • @sigmaoctantis1892
    @sigmaoctantis18922 жыл бұрын

    I think I get the caller's argument. When I was a very young child, perhaps 4 years old, we used to play a game. The game consisted of standing on something, like a small mound of earth and shouting, to the others, "I'm the king of the castle and you're the dirty rascal." I believe this is level of argumentation present in the caller's, "You are sovereign to me."

  • @CyberBeep_kenshi
    @CyberBeep_kenshi2 жыл бұрын

    Always fun when people decide they can decide for other people what they believe in.... who knew telepathy was real! Religions love to lay claims to words... or holidays... or sexual preferences.... or your life... etc. How about NO...

  • @cindyrobinson5028
    @cindyrobinson50282 жыл бұрын

    I winced when you told the caller you’d give all the time he needed. The Seven-Day guy must only call to hear himself talk. That would be never ending torture for the listeners! Glad to see you reigned him in. The caller is a hopeless waste of time.

  • @cnault3244
    @cnault32442 жыл бұрын

    "Hosts Were Never True Christians" I was never a good Christian. Now that we have that out of the way, what is the evidence for god?

  • @ahh_yes_mr_bax
    @ahh_yes_mr_bax2 жыл бұрын

    “The seven day cycle was created centuries before monotheism, therefore you are subjugated to christianity because it decided to lay claim to the seven day cycle. We use the seven day cycle created centuries before christianity, therefore you are subjugated to the truth of christian god.” Rock solid logical argument right there. And im almost positive that was his actual “argument.” Even though he literally thinks christianity created and predicted the seven day cycle. This person is easily impressed with his own thoughts

  • @prydeow9101

    @prydeow9101

    2 жыл бұрын

    7 day cycle was based on the sumerian calendar because of how long it takes the moon to transition between each phase. He claims the bible predicted this, therefore the bible is true

  • @prydeow9101

    @prydeow9101

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's amazing how a Christian in the past that has power, implements things the bible claims and then that makes "prophecy" true. These people are nuts

  • @markhackett2302

    @markhackett2302

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@prydeow9101 Back in those days "leap days" were added but were not named, or even in "a month", they were added to to keep the stone circles that told ancient paleolithic man when there was a midsummer or midwinter. This was long before a seven day cycle, too, because we never lived by that, we lived by a diurnal cycle. Plants lived by a seasonal cycle, as did free roaming migratory animals. But until humans invented one, there was no seven day cycle, and even after one was invented by humans, we were neither subjugated to one, and we had extra days outside that naming for keeping the annual cycle of the seasons to schedule.

  • @nightshade7240

    @nightshade7240

    2 жыл бұрын

    If we are so subject to his god because seven day cycle, why are the days of the week still etymologically derivative of the names of Norse gods? So I guess by that logic, the seven day cycle belongs to Paganism.

  • @jerryoconnor4572
    @jerryoconnor45722 жыл бұрын

    Poor guys thought process is as scrambled as an omelette.

  • @bryanc1984
    @bryanc19842 жыл бұрын

    The caller definitely believes he's the smartest person in any room he walks into.

  • @liamreidy1175
    @liamreidy11752 жыл бұрын

    How you keep your cool with people like this is amazing........

  • @sticks1990
    @sticks19902 жыл бұрын

    J-Mike is lookin more and more like he was in The Devils Rejects lol love the show guys

  • @cavecookie1
    @cavecookie12 жыл бұрын

    Unhinged...yep, that's the word I'm looking for! Dang, this guy is almost hysterical.

  • @michellebrown4903
    @michellebrown49032 жыл бұрын

    No ..... Don't call back.... please.

  • @aaronhamm9431
    @aaronhamm94312 жыл бұрын

    J Mike takes the record for most mutes in a single call!!! Beating out Matt Dillahunty!

  • @starrystarrynight52
    @starrystarrynight522 жыл бұрын

    People who think they are smarter than other are the worst types of people. But I think I heard this guys voice before in other call-in shows.

  • @TheTruthKiwi

    @TheTruthKiwi

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, he's tried his 7 day cycle bs with pretty much everyone and always gets shut down of course. Listening doesn't seem to be one of his strong points

  • @callmeflexplays
    @callmeflexplays2 жыл бұрын

    Mr Delicious strikes again, excessive smugness incoming.

  • @Fernando-ek8jp
    @Fernando-ek8jp2 жыл бұрын

    The guy failed by his own definition: faith is described as the evidence. It's not: "you have faith because you have evidence" , it's "you have faith as a stand in for evidence" His confusion and misunderstanding about the point about arguments just shows that he doesn't know how words and reasoning work. I can make a valid argument with the conclusion that Harry Potter is real, but if I don't have a way to back up the premises, then the validity is just a fun mental exercise, not reality

  • @tetsujin_144
    @tetsujin_1442 жыл бұрын

    5:41 - "When people go to court and they argue a point, isn't that (evidence?)" No. If someone makes a compelling argument to support their interpretation of evidence, that can convince people but it is not proof that what they have argued for is true. But since we can't have perfect knowledge, we may need to accept that argument's conclusion for practical purposes (i.e. use it to convict or acquit someone, or to decide on a settlement, etc.) - but we can't be certain that conclusion was correct most of the time. Our level of certainty is largely a product of the quality of the evidence that supported that argument... ...Which is the point the hosts are trying to make here, I think: The argument is not evidence itself, the argument can be a useful tool but it must be built on evidence.

  • @uncleanunicorn4571
    @uncleanunicorn45712 жыл бұрын

    Calendar man is a Batman villain. This one is prone to extreme non-sequiturs.

  • @FR_1677
    @FR_16772 жыл бұрын

    'Here to serve' scores in the 'most ironic handle' category!

  • @michaeldelaney1058
    @michaeldelaney10582 жыл бұрын

    Just saying, in my opinion these callers who scream and use snarky language and belittle the hosts' intelligence should probably be dropped just for their lack of respect alone. Even if the hosts and callers disagree, there is a right and wrong way to have a conversation. This guy was so full of himself, and though so little of our hosts today, he should have been sent on his way. But that's just me, I don't put up with people who just want to verbally bully me.

  • @rrpostalagain

    @rrpostalagain

    2 жыл бұрын

    I enjoy it to a point. It’s the concept of someone who has built themself up that much has a long way to fall… and that’s entertaining to a point.

  • @christiananderson4909
    @christiananderson49092 жыл бұрын

    Yikes. I feel bad for everyone around that guy.

  • @fotmasta
    @fotmasta2 жыл бұрын

    That was fantastic. Thank you.

  • @Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic
    @Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic2 жыл бұрын

    Judge Alito has sovereignty over a woman's body because he has faith god says so. Rock solid reasoning!

  • @barryweatherley5046
    @barryweatherley50462 жыл бұрын

    Oh, that whole 7 day rubbish is such a WEEK argument! :D

  • @tmurphy0919

    @tmurphy0919

    2 жыл бұрын

    OK that's enough outta you

  • @carlosa4852
    @carlosa48522 жыл бұрын

    Is this the "christian humility" I keep hearing about?

  • @nickgr8artist
    @nickgr8artist2 жыл бұрын

    If I understand it from his other calls, his argument is (at best) essentially: P1) The "Sovereign" decrees that as evidence of their rulership, everyone will do "X" (ie: "keep to a 7-day cycle"). P2) That decree is exclusive to the Sovereign (ie: "no one else also makes everyone keep to a 7-day cycle"). P3) Everyone (for the most part) eventually does "X" (ie: "keep to a 7-day cycle). P4) There is no other explanation for "X" (ie: "no naturalistic reason we'd keep to a 7-day cycle"). THEN C1) People do X (ie: "keep to a 7-day cycle) BECAUSE the sovereign told them to, AND THUS C2) The Sovereign (ie "the god of the bible who said we should keep to a 7-day cycle") exists. Fastest defeat I've seen is to point out that Sumerian calendars predate the bible and have a 7-day cycle based on the visible moving celestial bodies: Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. A 28-day lunar cycle is also easily divided into four 7-day weeks. Bonus points for the fact that the days' names are derived from the sun, moon, four norse gods, and a roman god.

  • @markhackett2302

    @markhackett2302

    2 жыл бұрын

    Problem is we don't live a seven day cycle. We live a diurnal one, and plants live a seasonal cycle in addition to that (as to migratory animals) and that only matters if we use those plants or animals. We never lived a seven day cycle. We had seven names for days, but the Chinese didn't. So God didn't create Asians????

  • @Preservestlandry

    @Preservestlandry

    2 жыл бұрын

    OMG thank you for figuring it out!

  • @corvuscorax7451
    @corvuscorax74512 жыл бұрын

    He really seemed to think that he was right, and therefore... in charge? Not entirely sure what he meant by "sovereign" but I guess that was why he couldn't handle being muted. It's evidence that the hosts are the ones in charge when they can shut him up with the push of a button. He has to get condescending to cope with it.

  • @matszz
    @matszz Жыл бұрын

    4:24 Dan: An argument is not evidence 4:50 Caller: Are you suggesting a [sic] argument can't lead to evidence? 5:07 Dan: No, arguments don't lead to evidence, I don't think so, I think evidence leads to arguments 6:56 Caller: When it comes to gravity, isn't that a [sic] argument? When you say the theory of relativity, isn't that a [sic] argument, isn't that a proposition? And then worth testing it? And by that we say it's evidence? 7:59 Caller: If I throw something in the air it's gonna fall back down. Here's my argument, there's a force pulling down the object, so that's what I consider gravity, thats my argument. 8:12 Dan: So your observation based on the evidence ... led you to a conclusion... so you're argument is that gravity exist based on the evidence 8:36 Caller: That's what I've been saying from the very begining, thank you for agreeing now. Well sir, the transcription here disagrees with you, you haven't been saying that from the begining.

  • @ren17x50
    @ren17x502 жыл бұрын

    This is a very lonely man who needs a friend

  • @CyberBeep_kenshi

    @CyberBeep_kenshi

    2 жыл бұрын

    Or a psychiatrist

  • @ren17x50

    @ren17x50

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CyberBeep_kenshi not sure he wouldn't just giggle about how 7 day cycle defeats personality issues

  • @KurenaiNanashi

    @KurenaiNanashi

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ren17x50 while he may need one I wouldn’t want anyone to dam themselves to a lifetime of pain and misery due to being his friend. Feels like you’d need to have the temperament of a Saint in order to stop yourself from slapping him till he starts making sense

  • @ren17x50

    @ren17x50

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@KurenaiNanashi I nominate you for sainthood lol

  • @CyberBeep_kenshi
    @CyberBeep_kenshi2 жыл бұрын

    Regarding gravity, or anything else, it usually starts with an observation.... which leads to an hypothesis... which leads to methods of testing.. which leads to tests and test data.. which are analysed to see if they confirm (or not) the hypothesis.. which leads to conclusions, predictive models, followup tests etc etc. An argument is just talking..... possibly ideas.... but it is NOT evidence. Same for the bible. It contains claimed conclusions without doing all the work. If it was a proposed scientific publication it would literally end up in the trashcan.

  • @AdmiralBison

    @AdmiralBison

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not everyone is taught Scientific methodology in high schools, in fact the average American adult lags behind most of the first world in fundamental understanding in basic S.T.E.M.s and which I believe allows fundamentalist religious beliefs, anti-vaxs, flat earth and young earth creationism to proliferate and possibly get into legislation. It would be good that critical thinking such as 'claims', 'burden of proof', 'verification' etc...was taught at an early age in all public schools because of their practical benefits. 'Comparative Religion' to be taught in public schools. would also be good as a part of 'critical thinking' as it would help many Religious people examine their own beliefs through the lens of other Religions.

  • @twowardrobeswardrobes1536
    @twowardrobeswardrobes15362 жыл бұрын

    Here to serve up more crap while getting higher and higher pitched.

  • @douglasthomashayden2566
    @douglasthomashayden25662 жыл бұрын

    Calendar Guy feels the need to DOMINATE...and will try to use rudeness and being overbearing and flooding the field with bullshit and putting words in others' mouths if that's what it takes.

  • @Andrew_O
    @Andrew_O2 жыл бұрын

    Hebrews 11:1 "Faith is the evidence of things not seen." Things you can't see are by definition not "evident". Look at the meaning for the word; "plain or obvious; clearly seen or understood." Seeing the unseen? Sorry, but no. We've got your oxymoron right there. Feelings and assumptions don't count. It cannot be demonstrated in a way that anyone would be considered rational to accept.

  • @Fernando-ek8jp

    @Fernando-ek8jp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Even ignoring that oxymoron, the first four words fly in the face of what he was trying to argue: "Faith is the evidence", which means that faith does not require evidence, because it IS the evidence. You don't need evidence for evidence

  • @ottonormalverbrauch3794
    @ottonormalverbrauch37942 жыл бұрын

    Every person working in mental health care knows this kind of conversation that has some sound reasoning on the one hand and completely and utterly derails at the deep end on the other hand.

  • @markpolice3585
    @markpolice35852 жыл бұрын

    I have listened to Talk Heathen and Atheist Experience for years and I've never heard anyone like this guy. He is unbelievable.

  • @zemorph42
    @zemorph422 жыл бұрын

    He has no reasoning. The last several minutes he was just spewing word salad.

  • @agent_277
    @agent_277 Жыл бұрын

    Dillahunty would have had a lot of fun with this caller 😂

  • @leocush2653
    @leocush26532 жыл бұрын

    To sum up the callers point "If I say a true thing therefore everything I say is true"

  • @BaronVonQuiply
    @BaronVonQuiply2 жыл бұрын

    I'm 14 minutes in, the whole time saying "Don't be the 7 day week idiot, don't be the 7 day week idiot".

  • @jon_r_gilbert
    @jon_r_gilbert4 күн бұрын

    "As long as you guys don't lose control." **Begins to lose control**

  • @UsagiMiyamotoYojimbo
    @UsagiMiyamotoYojimbo2 жыл бұрын

    I am subject to a 6 days cycle, because i take medicines, and some of them are packaged in 2 rows, and others in 3 rows, so 6 days is the least common multiple...

  • @CyberBeep_kenshi

    @CyberBeep_kenshi

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am on a 111 day cycle. Counting in binary though ;)

  • @cambriaofthevastoceans6721

    @cambriaofthevastoceans6721

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm on a three day cycle for similar reasons.

  • @pointlessdegenerates3568
    @pointlessdegenerates3568 Жыл бұрын

    just because you argue louder doesn’t make you more right

  • @empressoftheknownuniverse
    @empressoftheknownuniverse2 жыл бұрын

    Half way through, and I doubt this man has any evidence for his argument. I am also certain he's still fast-yelling while on hold. Why are people so insecure about their faith, and why do they need to defend the all-powerful creator of the universe with an analogy to gravity? 😖😖😛 Edit: I'll take my dressing on the side, no peppers in my salad.

  • @CyberBeep_kenshi

    @CyberBeep_kenshi

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'll take the peppers ;-) 🌶

  • @Farce13

    @Farce13

    2 жыл бұрын

    As an American I'll take my salad with extra oil

  • @empressoftheknownuniverse

    @empressoftheknownuniverse

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CyberBeep_kenshi 💙 it, all of your comments! We are watching, but not in a creepy way. 🤓

  • @empressoftheknownuniverse

    @empressoftheknownuniverse

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Farce13 💙 But I must recommend olive oil. I bike past gas stations and giggle to myself. 😄

  • @CyberBeep_kenshi

    @CyberBeep_kenshi

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@empressoftheknownuniverse Thank you :-))))

  • @larryjohnson9737
    @larryjohnson973710 ай бұрын

    Thank you OD and JM for showing us how to stay calm when debating batshit crazy lunatic!!!

  • @adamrspears1981
    @adamrspears1981 Жыл бұрын

    Hebrews 1:11 reads: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. -The accretion disk around a black hole is evidence of what cannot be seen (the black hole) But yet Faith is not required to know that black holes exist.

  • @bobcloughjr
    @bobcloughjr Жыл бұрын

    This caller is the mayor of Dunning Krugerville.

  • @ishmaelkelly951
    @ishmaelkelly9512 жыл бұрын

    This guy definitely did not call to have a conversation, he just wanted to call in to be insulting and smug and condescending but he was entertaining for a troll😂

  • @saikoakuma
    @saikoakuma2 жыл бұрын

    Is this G-Man? He kind of sounds like G-Man, right down to the condescension paired with incredible ignorance.

  • @saikoakuma

    @saikoakuma

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nevermind, I got ahead of myself. This is actually Stanley of seven-day-cycle infamy. I wonder what it says that they sound so similar.

  • @CyberBeep_kenshi

    @CyberBeep_kenshi

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@saikoakuma he sounds bat sh1t crazy

  • @telsonater

    @telsonater

    2 жыл бұрын

    I thought that for a second as well. Had to delete my comment. They all sound the same, to be honest

  • @spookyariel1
    @spookyariel111 ай бұрын

    I recognize this caller's voice. The man oozes smugness. I'm suprised he maintains a solid enough form to dial a phone.

  • @sfrye6769
    @sfrye6769 Жыл бұрын

    I’m having some Darryl Brooks “arguing” PTSD 😳 listening to this guy rant incoherently thinking if he yells louder his words will eventually make sense…🤦🏻‍♀️

  • @paulfinkelstein1448
    @paulfinkelstein1448 Жыл бұрын

    In court, you are only allowed to “argue” in your closing statement and, then, you are not allowed to make any argument without supporting evidenced produced during the trial. In fact, if you attempt to argue during trial, ask an argumentative question, or given an argumentative response, it can be objected to as “argumentative” and excluded.

  • @rikorobinson
    @rikorobinson Жыл бұрын

    This guy is fucking infuriating. I could NOT have handled this with as much grace as Dan and JMike did...

  • @scrogfpv7443
    @scrogfpv74432 жыл бұрын

    It’s hard to play chess with someone who doesn’t know how to play chess. Not sure that taking this guys calls again is worth your time.

  • @Mr-nw7il
    @Mr-nw7il2 жыл бұрын

    Amen!

  • @edluckenbill9382
    @edluckenbill93822 жыл бұрын

    Word games

  • @camiflo1578
    @camiflo15782 жыл бұрын

    It's the Seven-day cycle guy!

  • @trevorvargas714
    @trevorvargas7142 жыл бұрын

    This is absolutely hilarious

  • @marikamoreau8828
    @marikamoreau88282 ай бұрын

    "My book says faith is a formation of lilly pads under a frog. I don't like his definition. " We can do this all day. The definition of faith does not change.

  • @annaschofield
    @annaschofield2 жыл бұрын

    I am retired- a 7 day cycle is no longer something I am subjected to.. every day is exactly the same I celebrate my birthday as every time the earth circles the sun- same as all holidays- 1 complete revolution then I celebrate- I have seasons , based on the position of earth- there are light and dark cycles which I can use to divide the earths cycle into smaller pieces at no point do I need 7 of anything

  • @merbst
    @merbst2 жыл бұрын

    I like the hosts, so I wish all people could follow their life development paths!

  • @latinzane
    @latinzane11 ай бұрын

    This callers head must spin whenever ANYONE disagrees with him. "Are you serious?!?!?!?!"

  • @zemorph42
    @zemorph422 жыл бұрын

    No, dude; you got it backwards and Dan was correcting you. You claimed that you agreed with him and then immediately proved that you never understood anything he said.

  • @bcaskanette
    @bcaskanette Жыл бұрын

    He's panicking... lol

  • @Alex-0597
    @Alex-0597 Жыл бұрын

    Is this that Mr Delicious guy that goes on and on about how the 7 day week proves that the Bible is the Word of God? Nvm, JMike points it out. Man, this guy sure is iconic if nothing else

  • @tetsujin_144
    @tetsujin_1442 жыл бұрын

    0:45 - "The evidence of things not seen?" "EVIDENCE. I wanna repeat that once more. EVIDENCE." ... "EVIDENCE."

  • @tetsujin_144

    @tetsujin_144

    2 жыл бұрын

    "REASON... REASON..." ... "REASON..."

  • @zoggdawg8141

    @zoggdawg8141

    2 жыл бұрын

    MY AVA-DENSE IS SOVEREIGNTY. SOVEREIGNTY...... SOVEREIGNTY.

  • @zoggdawg8141

    @zoggdawg8141

    2 жыл бұрын

    7 DAY CYCLE IS SOVEREIGNTY OVER YOU. YOU YOU YOU... NINCOMPOOP.

  • @pezfam
    @pezfam2 жыл бұрын

    I wish this would get addressed, even though it isn’t necessarily relevant to crush the conversation. It’s not an “exclusive argument”. The Hebrews were not the first to use the 7 day cycle. The Sumerians used it previously for at least 1000 years. And better yet, we are not subjugated by the 7 day cycle. We use it out of convenience. I am the only person in the world with my name, and I claim that my name is my name. And that’s the name that others call me. If everyone calls me that, based on his logic, I have now made a proposition that people will call me by my name going forward. And since people do that, I am now sovereign over them, because they have been subjugated to calling me by my name. This is dumb for obvious reasons, but mostly because people are not required by necessity to use my name. They simply refer to me by that out of convenience.

  • @markhackett2302

    @markhackett2302

    2 жыл бұрын

    It isn't needed to get to that, though. WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO A SEVEN DAY CYCLE. Only diurnal. And plants, being seasonal, as are migrating animals, those are based additionally on seasonal cycles. Nowhere is any being that is subject to a seven day cycle. We have seven NAMES for days, but that no more is us being subject to it, than the decimals being called one, two three, etc make us "subject to a ten name decimal system". One of those numbers, for example, was invented by the Indians and came West via Arabia, a lot later than 0CE. Romans used X, I, V and had a different naming scheme for numbers. Meanwhile the Chinese don't ave a seven day name cycle. Humans aren't bound to a seven day cycle.

  • @joelm7547
    @joelm75472 жыл бұрын

    He knows he can’t prove it and he tries to talk it into existence. He’s in panic mode

  • @greengelacid2061
    @greengelacid20612 жыл бұрын

    I reject reality, and choose to substitute with my own...that's basically what I'm taking away from this call...

  • @idahogie
    @idahogie2 жыл бұрын

    Here's my evidence from when I was a Christian: my parents told me so. Does Delicieux think that isn't evidence?

  • @jonstrickland4848
    @jonstrickland48482 жыл бұрын

    He did argue his way to some evidence of his ignorance. I always love how callers will dance around providing the evidence but they call claiming they have evidence.

  • @never_board
    @never_board2 жыл бұрын

    Being cocky and confused are not good when combined.

  • @GnosticInformant
    @GnosticInformant2 жыл бұрын

    Dan finishes off his own Bible reference and then is told he was not a true Christian lol

  • @noxthemc7717
    @noxthemc77172 жыл бұрын

    This guy has got to be one of the most insufferable repeat callers on this show.

  • @doneestoner9945
    @doneestoner99452 жыл бұрын

    This caller is driving me crazy!

  • @Krawnbundungle
    @Krawnbundungle2 жыл бұрын

    The worst part about these calls is thinking about all the poor sad people who are forced to interact with this positively deranged individual in real life

  • @alfredogarciamarquez4397
    @alfredogarciamarquez4397 Жыл бұрын

    Shanon Q laughed really hard at this guy, and so do I. 😂😂😂

  • @christianblevins1870
    @christianblevins1870Ай бұрын

    Faith is one of those words that seems to mean a lot or feels very profound but is actually nothing.

  • @lcceo22
    @lcceo222 жыл бұрын

    Man someone really needs to check his punkass, grandstanding attitude with the laughing and all Everyone keeps treating him like an sincere interlocutor.

  • @jaymikesmovienites3452
    @jaymikesmovienites34522 жыл бұрын

    I like how he keeps insulting them but still no evidence for god

  • @azophi
    @azophi2 жыл бұрын

    I suppose he has a bit of a point in the sense that a null hypothesis doesn’t need evidence. But we can never conclude a null hypothesis is true, we can only reject or fail to reject it based on the evidence. We can’t conclude anything about the null hypothesis without evidence I guess

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