Love that Noel judges Pep by "changing football" yet he's been writing the same song for 30 years.

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

Pep in his lowest form>>>Fergi in his highest form 🤣🤣

@paulachin9130

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant

@SpitfireCallum

Жыл бұрын

Little by Little, who’s is better? Radiohead or Oasis?

@101RadioheadCovers

Жыл бұрын

@@SpitfireCallum one of my least favourite Radiohead songs but From the Basement still better than Oasis.

@SpitfireCallum

Жыл бұрын

@@101RadioheadCovers haha I like Oasis to be fair but in recent years discovered how truly great Radiohead is. Radiohead easily the most influential band from the 90’s, and maybe the last real game changers in rock music.

Fergie was the first to really take a stand against the drinking culture in the English game which changed the trajectory of the league forever. Then Wenger came in with the sport's science and special diets. Wenger and Fergie did more to change the game in England than anyone else.

@JakeMoore-wp4lp

Жыл бұрын

Peps changed the style and level of the game.

@JakeMoore-wp4lp

Жыл бұрын

I agree with that to

@anthonyhiggins9799

Жыл бұрын

@@JakeMoore-wp4lp Pep has tweaked a formula that already existed. He is absolutely top quality. Perhaps top 10 or 20 managers of all time, but he has not had the same impact on English football as the aforementioned, nor has he had the same impact on European football as the likes of Cruyff, Sacchi and many others who developed the foundation for what Pep does. I'm a big fan of Pep though, I want that to be clear.

@Motownisyourtown

Жыл бұрын

Jimmy Hill.

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

@@JakeMoore-wp4lp Didn't he learn it from Cruyff.

It is difficult. Having a prime ready made Barcelona, a ready made team in Bayern and an unlimited budget at City.

@pete8383

Жыл бұрын

thats a simple way to look at it.

@totalprocall6894

Жыл бұрын

So many ignorant statements in one comment.

@vi7225

Жыл бұрын

Currently chelsea has more spend than city and United is litreally same spend Also Barca was nowhere ready made when he joined. Take from a barca fan

@jdoublet94

Жыл бұрын

@@pete8383 he could go into detail and note that Barca won the Champions League 2 years before Pep took over and Pep also had the fortune of welcoming Messi and Iniesta to that squad. Honestly, even you Pete could take that team to a treble win. But please, tell us all what we’re missing🤔🤣

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

U guys are 2012 kids by thinking Barca and Bayern were super teams..Clown!! Barca was shitty that they couldn't even win Copa del reys and even beat bottom teams..Pep came in and changed everything, introducing his new Tiki-Taka, his evolved False 9 and polished the team by improving the veterans there and bringing in new players who hasn't even played in Champions league before He transformed Messi into Playmaking Messi we all know today.. He went to Bayern and dominated Bundesliga and left with his mark still on their style of play... He came to the so-called toughest league in the world and made a mockery out of them..They all said his Tiki-Taka wouldn't even work against Stoke City but came in a won 4 prems in 5 seasons and even about win his 5th...He brought Technical football to Prem and changed Premier league forever..Changed Football world as a whole with his tactics and ideas..Everyone is trying to be like Pep nowadays...GOAT 🐐🤣🤣🤣

Guardiola will likely end up with the most trophies, but Ferguson took a relatively small club in Aberdeen to a European trophy, dominated the Old Firm when it was seen as impossible and built and re-built Man United at least 3 or 4 times whilst remaining successful. No-one will have Ferguson's longevity or man-management skills, but I think Guardiola is a better technical coach.

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

Bullshit!! Trying so hard to make Fergi some godly manager when he wasn't..And why do I keep hearing this Aberdeen this and Aberdeen that!! So what if he Dominated with them..And where did he do it, probably in some farmers league! Pep changed Shitty Barca into The best club from 2008-2015..Fergi only won Prem after 7 years in charge and after all the money he was given..U Prem fans are so jealous and scared of pep that's u don't wanna accept that he's better than Fergi no matter how u make Fergi something great , Pep will always be better than him 🤣🤣🤣

@James-tz8qe

Жыл бұрын

Ferguson wasn't really a coach and rarely took training but he controlled the whole club

@Lovelydropp

Жыл бұрын

Fergie never changed football and managed a club that was designed to be the “poster boys” of a new premier league which was not a competitive league where 90% of the refs were (and still r) from Manchester. Anyone could win the league every year when u buy the league every year and have 0 competition 🤣

@firedoesnotdiscriminate

Жыл бұрын

​@@Lovelydropp I'm far from a united fan but wow what utter bitter nonsense, I'll assume you a liverpool fan.

@Lovelydropp

Жыл бұрын

@@firedoesnotdiscriminate “I’m far from a United fan” said by every embarrassing United fan ever 😭

He didn’t change football sir Alex he changed Man Utd football club,pep changed jobs😉

@coltonconner782

Жыл бұрын

Only thing Ferguson changed was the time keeper and brought refs

Ajax changed football.For anyone who isn't old enough to know?..Ajax played a certain way in the 70's and when the Dutch legend Johan Cruyff moved to Barcelona he instilled those Ajax methods at the club that remains to this day. I hope that clears things up.

@Dub_Northside

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasinpaine All valid points and I respect your knowledge of football, but ask Guardiola where he gets his methods from. It's fairly straightforward. Nobody outside the Old Firm has won the title since Sir Alex Ferguson's Aberdeen in '83? I could be wrong about the year. Anyway, Noel is sound but he surely knows where Guardiola found his methods?It's just laziness tbh.

@andrewwright4195

Жыл бұрын

​@@Dub_Northsidepeople think it only pep work when he played under cruyff

@carlosbabie1

Жыл бұрын

​@@thomasinpaine The Austrians in that case probably adopted it from Ajax seeing as their total football stemmed way back before the 30's - Look up Jack Reynolds, fittingly a manc!

@danskyba7045

Жыл бұрын

Does make me laugh how they call in the “pep” way! It’s total football, it’s been around for a long time and just adapted

@Dub_Northside

Жыл бұрын

@@danskyba7045 Correct. It also must be noted that football was invented long before the Premier League era..

Yeah he changed football by always inheriting super teams like Barca and Bayern and always needing millions to be spent. Can’t compare until Pep does something like winning the European cup/UCL with Aberdeen.

@CheyTacHD

Жыл бұрын

He changed english football and you are just being bias to say other wise. Fergie had 2 UCL in 20 years btw. pep has a far better win rate and trophy haul for matches managed. If he stayed in the prem for 20+ years like fergie it would be no contest.

@factzoverfeelings7503

Жыл бұрын

Pep pissed all over Ferguson in 2 champions league finals. Had United players chasing shadows my guy

@aryan.4855

Жыл бұрын

@@CheyTacHD yeah being the 1st manager in pl history to spend billion, what a good change he created.

@factzoverfeelings7503

Жыл бұрын

@@aryan.4855 how’s ur “generational player” Sancho doing 🥴🤡

@factzoverfeelings7503

Жыл бұрын

@@aryan.4855 pissed all over ur idol Fergie in 2 champions league finals 😂

Ferguson way better then pep and I’m a Liverpool fan

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

WHAT?! Fergi is nowhere near Pep..U guys are 2012 kids by thinking Barca and Bayern were super teams..Clown!! Barca was shitty that they couldn't even win Copa del reys and even beat bottom teams..Pep came in and changed everything, introducing his new Tiki-Taka, his evolved False 9 and polished the team by improving the veterans there and bringing in new players who hasn't even played in Champions league before He transformed Messi into Playmaking Messi we all know today.. He went to Bayern and dominated Bundesliga and left with his mark still on their style of play... He came to the so-called toughest league in the world and made a mockery out of them..They all said his Tiki-Taka wouldn't even work against Stoke City but came in a won 4 prems in 5 seasons and even about win his 5th...He brought Technical football to Prem and changed Premier league forever..Changed Football world as a whole with his tactics and ideas..Everyone is trying to be like Pep nowadays...GOAT 🐐🤣🤣🤣

@Z.S1992

Жыл бұрын

​@@eL--RaL Why do you keep using thr term "super team". This ain't the NBA mate, are you American by any chance?

@-The-Darkside

Жыл бұрын

@@Z.S1992 He's about 12, he actually thinks pep created Tiki Taka. LOL

Pep doesn't build up clubs he's a checkbook manager!

@MCFCTheMadHatter

Жыл бұрын

Prove it. I bet you can't name more than 5 players of all the players Pep has brought into City that he did not improve, let alone the players that he kept and improved.

@theoraclecow4441

Жыл бұрын

@themadhatter3067 of corse he's going to improve players you idiot. he's always inherited good teams with deep pockets! fergie did it with cashless Aberdeen and built up man u. Pep couldn't do that!

@jakecook4816

Жыл бұрын

Chelsea spent 650m in 6 months and can’t get a point. Peps a god

@tt99football56

Жыл бұрын

Ferguson done the same at Man Utd tbf.

@-The-Darkside

Жыл бұрын

@@tt99football56 How much did Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Nevilles, Butt etc cost? and how much were they worth by the end ? You muppet

If by changing football you mean applying cruyff theory with unlimited ressources and world class players than sure .

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

Yeah right!! JEALOUS!! Pep is better than Alex FARTguson all day long 🤣🤣

@khal3300

Жыл бұрын

@@eL--RaL try sounding less like a 10 year old who just had his first sip of coffee maybe people will take you seriously , the cringe emoji use alone is embarrassing enough

@Garrgan

Жыл бұрын

​@@eL--RaL yeah he is Right !!

@DB-07

Жыл бұрын

@@eL--RaL that’s SIR Alex to you!

For those who criticise Pep for not winning the C/L yet with City, been here 7 seasons. Ferguson was at utd for 27 seasons yet only managed to win it twice. We will never know how Fergie would have fared managing abroad, but his football was more aggressive based, unlike Pep who is more technically based. Barca and City have proven that.

First off I'm no Man City or Man Utd fan so I have no agenda, Noel is a musical genius but he obviously hasn't a clue about football, it was embarrassing the way he disrespected Sir Alex, first off Pep is brilliant but he learned everything from the great Johan Cruyff, he didn't change football by himself, secondly City is funded by a state, Pep can buy anyone he chooses, money is no object, Sir Alex built 5 teams to win 13 premier titles and 2 champions league titles not to mention FA and league cups at a fraction of what Pep has spent, Noel has a great sense of humour and I'm hoping he was joking but it didn't sound it and I bet Pep would be the first to disagree with his comments.

@lifelongred7056

Жыл бұрын

Musical genius,really!! You've got to be joking right ?

@seeker6436

Жыл бұрын

@@lifelongred7056 musical genius yes, obviously you don't know music, please tell me who think is a musical genius, I'll love to know

@portzblitz

Жыл бұрын

(Musical genius? Bruv, no! 🙃 I know HE thinks he's a musical genius, i can agree to that one for sure...) You can't tell me Manchester United were anything other than the richest club in the world for a loooong loooong time. And you can't tell me they didn't spend that money at all. They virtually invented merchandising and they made a killing doing it (shrewd move, for sure) I'm a Wenger man myself, but i don't mind saying i have a requisite ton of respect for Ferguson. Only a crazy person would deny his dominance. But Ferguson outsmarted a league that wasn't exactly known for its intelligent football, and it took an embarrassingly long time for the other teams to turn their ships about. When he left United they were on the decline i think, and i do believe it's testimony to his greatness that he was able to win the league that one more time with the players he had at the time (Regardless what disgruntled United fans would say, it wasn't Moyes' fault they fell off so abruptly. I think that without Ferguson to prop them up, the squad found their level- and their best players, the veterans, found their age- pretty darn quickly after that) Just my opinion, obviously. Cheers, @Seeker64 🥂

@peterfrancis7

Жыл бұрын

Amen! Great comment.

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

One of the best comments, the only thing I'd query is the over used word genius.

Give Fergie the resources Pep had and he would of had 15 more honours.

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

What resources?! How old are u?? 8 or 10 years old? Fergi spent like hell in his time more than anyone..Give United in 1986 to Pep and he would have won Prem in that same season ..It took Alex FARTguson 7 years before he could win it with all the money they gave him 🤣🤣

@marksimmonds889

Жыл бұрын

Just lies now. Blackburn, Newcastle, Liverpool and City in 1999 all spent more. Fergie won the treble with 6 home grown players. Pep could never EVER do that

@dancingcar8974

Жыл бұрын

​@@eL--RaL 😂retarDed oilShitty fan

@vi7225

Жыл бұрын

i mean look at chalsea and Man united now 🤣

@bluesEvanskro

Жыл бұрын

@@eL--RaL “Alex fartguson” how long did it take you to come up with that one genius

Sir Alex massively changed football, united were miles behind liverpool before his achievements and then there is his unbelievable achievements with Aberdeen, Noel is just chatting nonsense like he regualrly does, both Pep and Fergie will be remembered as bona fide legendary managers, its typical of the modern age where people have to try to denegrate another to further celebrate whoever it is they support, you see it all the time in the tedious Messi v Ronaldo debates where the truth is both are incredible.

He won a European trophy with Aberdeen let me see pep go to Scotland and win a European trophy

@blackrider7631

Жыл бұрын

Best comment of the lot!

@rohithraman6488

Жыл бұрын

Van bronckhorst nearly won europa league with rangers. Even if he won that you can't say he's better than pep

@walterfritzzz

11 ай бұрын

He would lol,that's not an hard job for worldclass managers like pep or mourinho

@blackrider7631

11 ай бұрын

@@walterfritzzz 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 utter nonsense. Pep has never done anything without huge investment.

Pep is definitely a coach but ferguson and his management skills are legendary I really don't see pep managing to take aberdeen and win in Europe and silence the old firm teams pep has had brilliant resources and undeniably the better players his entire management carer. Ferguson had to coach players of lower standard to there opposition to winning. Pep will tell a player what to do and expect to see it Ferguson will tell a player what he expects of them and they will preform two very different styles of management.

@andrewtaylor-qc8cb

Жыл бұрын

City Will Show Liver How The Triple

Pep's Barca, Sacchi's Milan, The Ajax Team under Rinus Michels and Stefan Kovacs, and Lula's Santos have so far been the teams that have dominated and impacted club football since the inception of the game. These clubs had the greatest influence on the football that was being played in their respective eras and no team comes close. Having spoken of the greatest teams, a tier down we have some of the great teams that put their stamp in the game. In recent years, we have Zidanes's Madrid, Ferguson's Man United, Wenger's Arsenal, Enrique's Barcelona, Bayern under Jupp Heynckes and Hansi Flick, Pep's Man City, Klopp's Liverpool, Jose's Porto, and Chelsea, etc. These teams have won a lot of trophies and played a huge role in alleviating and ameliorating their club's history. Comparing Pep and SAF, we are talking about two of the best managers in the history of the game. Speaking of the former, Pep is someone who has a very huge footballing ego. He demands that the team play a possession-based game wherever he goes with a few tweaks in the system here and there. He is someone who won't compromise on his style of play. That is probably why he had a relatively bad first season at City as he did not have the right players for his system. From the 17-18 season, City has probably dominated every season of the Premier League finishing either as Champions or 2nd. He needs to be given massive credit for establishing his style, successfully in England, and for winning a lot of trophies barring the UEFA Champions League. One common misconception about Pep being too extravagant with his signings or having inherited a great team. Not many managers would have trusted a young Sergio Busquets and given him a lot of minutes including a starting berth in the UCL final in Busquets's very first season in the top flight. While this is much of a testament to the abilities of Busquets If not for Pep having managed him in the youth ranks, I highly doubt Busquets would have risen that quickly to the top. SAF along with Wenger has so far been credited for the rise of English football. SAF may not be as tactically gifted as Pep but his style of man management and giving a lot of focus to the youth as well as the academy is probably one of the main reasons why England has produced a lot of talents in the past few years. The longevity of SAF is also something that has to be given credit. It is not easy to be managing a top team for such a long time. Both SAF and Pep have an innate ability to improve the quality of their players. Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't have been the goal-scoring monsters we have come to witness if not for these managers. While Pep has achieved a lot so far as a manager in his career and dare I say is one of, if not the best manager tactically, I guess it's too soon to rate both Pep and SAF as managers. It will only be at the end of Pep's coaching tenure that we will be able to judge them appropriately. While I rate SAF's Utd and Pep's City at the same level (with SAF's Utd having a slight edge ) even if City goes on to win the UCL this season, It will take a few more years of Pep winning trophies at City at the same rate as he has won so far at Manchester to overtake SAF's Utd

Thanks Noel. Coldplay changed British music. Oasis didn't

@SpitfireCallum

Жыл бұрын

Obviously joking about Coldplay. Maybe Radiohead.

@Xk_AkuBhaIni

Жыл бұрын

Richard ashcroft n the verve for me...poetic❤

@davidmildon3278

Жыл бұрын

Neither are fit to clean the guitars of Radiohead

@SpitfireCallum

Жыл бұрын

@@davidmildon3278 exactly

@MadLicha

Жыл бұрын

@@davidmildon3278 I thought most Radiohead fans have topped themselves by now?

No bias at all 😂. I wonder who he supports?

@mcfcok3773

Жыл бұрын

So what ? 😂

@DJFAmenHeavy

Жыл бұрын

@@mcfcok3773 He’s wrong, that’s what 😂

@mcfcok3773

Жыл бұрын

@@DJFAmenHeavy He can do and say what he wants.

@DJFAmenHeavy

Жыл бұрын

@@mcfcok3773 He can. He’s still wrong, due to his bias of being a City fan.

I remember as a kid... Liverpool had won their 18th title... Utd were at 7... It was nonsense to think it was ever possible to catch them and beat them on league titles.... yet just a little over 20 years later Utd stood at 20 titles. Unparalleled.

@keh.32

Жыл бұрын

And your still stood there .

@IrishBeerCan

Жыл бұрын

@@keh.32 Yes amazing isn't it. Goes to show what an achievement it was by Fergie. Whilst Utd was a terrrific match for him I think had he gone to another English club he'd probably have done the same.

Nobody is disputing that Pep is a brilliant coach and an excellent manager. However he himself has admitted he was incredibly lucky to inherit the golden generation of Barca players....a Bayern Munich team which the season before he took over won the treble "champions league, bundesliga title and there domestic cup" and City welll lets be honest they have had practically unlimited funds for so many years and were already a title winning team before he took over. If i recall correctly he has spent the second most amount of money as a manager on purchasing players in football club history. Would he do as well without any of the ready made title winning teams? For me there will always be an asterisk next to his name because of this.

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

Bullshit!! Only 2015 kids would think that Barca and Bayern were super teams..Clown!! Barca was shitty that they couldn't even win Copa del reys and even beat bottom teams..Pep came in and changed everything, introducing his new Tiki-Taka, his evolved False 9 and polished the team by improving the veterans there and bringing in new players who hasn't even played in Champions league before He transformed Messi into Playmaking Messi we all know today.. He went to Bayern and dominated Bundesliga and left with his mark still on their style of play... He came to the so-called toughest league in the world and made a mockery out of them..They all said his Tiki-Taka wouldn't even work against Stoke City but came in a won 4 prems in 5 seasons and even about win his 5th...He brought Technical football to Prem and changed Premier league forever..Changed Football world as a whole with his tactics and ideas..Everyone is trying to be like Pep nowadays...GOAT 🐐🤣🤣🤣

@_l0wkey_4

Жыл бұрын

Golden generation he's the one that got rid of big players( Dinho, E'too, Henry,Yaya) who finished 3rd,15 pts behind madrid and then created the best team ever. Stop being deluded.

@johndeighan2495

Жыл бұрын

Greatest Manager in PL History (*) Yeah, I'm cool with that.

@trapmantv.nocopyrightmusic593

Жыл бұрын

Buddy.. relax 😅 most City fans came from Dortmund about a year ago, I can’t believe you are trying to talk some sense to them 😅they are still teenagers buddy, have some compassion 🤦🏻‍♂️

By Noel’s logic, it’d be Arsene Wenger who’s the greatest, considering his seriously outsized impact on both the evolution of bringing more than one type of playing style in England as well as the idea of foreign managers being successful there. It’s Arsene who truly rocked the boat, considering also Arsenal weren’t exactly the richest club around either.

Pep is a fantastic manager, but this comparison is odd. Different situations, different backings. What Fergie did was legendary, and he absolutely changed football.

@leedavies4589

Жыл бұрын

he was just winding up Andy

@ddbanks8290

Жыл бұрын

How did he change football exactly?

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

WHAT?! Fergi is nowhere near Pep..U guys are 2012 kids by thinking Barca and Bayern were super teams..Clown!! Barca was shitty that they couldn't even win Copa del reys and even beat bottom teams..Pep came in and changed everything, introducing his new Tiki-Taka, his evolved False 9 and polished the team by improving the veterans there and bringing in new players who hasn't even played in Champions league before He transformed Messi into Playmaking Messi we all know today.. He went to Bayern and dominated Bundesliga and left with his mark still on their style of play... He came to the so-called toughest league in the world and made a mockery out of them..They all said his Tiki-Taka wouldn't even work against Stoke City but came in a won 4 prems in 5 seasons and even about win his 5th...He brought Technical football to Prem and changed Premier league forever..Changed Football world as a whole with his tactics and ideas..Everyone is trying to be like Pep nowadays...GOAT 🐐🤣🤣🤣

@FountainOfYoot

Жыл бұрын

​@@eL--RaL LMAO Bayern had won the treble the season before pep joined. You lost all credibility in your first sentence.

@dibeshshrestha9277

Жыл бұрын

This guy El is everyone .. 😂

Ferguson 100% what he did at Aberdeen, and took struggling united to the very top he earned the right later to start spending bigger , peps joined teams that already at the top and spending, surprised he didn't take the PSG job just to tick off another league won , Ferguson could adapt and get more from average set of players, would love to see pep trying to get best out of average set of players

Alex ferguson CREATED FERGIE TIME 😂

@christopherdouglas6590

Жыл бұрын

And squeaky bum time! And wound up kevin keegan!

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

And Pep's sovereign state founders created dark money loopholes.

Both fantastic managers, most importantly.

Well, azza bullshit For starters, Pat didn’t change football, he’s playing the Cruyff style of football, he also played this style of football 10 years ago or more in different countries, I’ll ask of him playing this style of football for many many years many years, he introduced it to the Premier League, fair enough, and they could win the league for Work the fifth time in six years? Under Foghat we won the title five times in eight years, Fergie brought through the class of 92 he didn’t replace sent a box season upon the season and full box over and over and keepers over and over again Fergie wasn’t given limitless phones. He bought one or two players to polish off a perfect system that he implemented, that is😊😊

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

WHAT?! Fergi is nowhere near Pep..U guys are 2012 kids by thinking Barca and Bayern were super teams..Clown!! Barca was shitty that they couldn't even win Copa del reys and even beat bottom teams..Pep came in and changed everything, introducing his new Tiki-Taka, his evolved False 9 and polished the team by improving the veterans there and bringing in new players who hasn't even played in Champions league before He transformed Messi into Playmaking Messi we all know today.. He went to Bayern and dominated Bundesliga and left with his mark still on their style of play... He came to the so-called toughest league in the world and made a mockery out of them..They all said his Tiki-Taka wouldn't even work against Stoke City but came in a won 4 prems in 5 seasons and even about win his 5th...He brought Technical football to Prem and changed Premier league forever..Changed Football world as a whole with his tactics and ideas..Everyone is trying to be like Pep nowadays...GOAT 🐐🤣🤣🤣

@shoshomkhize3426

Жыл бұрын

@@eL--RaL He must do that at Spurs or Fulham and let's see

Pep just copied the system barca employed which was pioneered by Johan Cruyf

@hustler666100

Жыл бұрын

the one he built upon and made barca the greatest team to ever play the game who was struggling before he became manager

@manduloykts179

Жыл бұрын

@@hustler666100 struggling how when Barça won the champions league in 2006

@stanleycalvin

Жыл бұрын

@Reaper yeah I can agree with that but he also had the best players of a generation in that team and mind you he has been coaching for 12 years since he last won the champions league. He coudnt do it with Bayern and couldn't do it with city and probably never will again because he is to clever and constantly outsmarts himself.

@hustler666100

Жыл бұрын

@@stanleycalvin yeah he does tend to outpep himself sometimes

All I have to say in the pep vs fergie debate is Aberdeen. Man was the last guy other than rangers or Celtic to win the league, last Scottish side to win a European cup and last Side to beat Madrid in a final in Europe.

City had won the title two seasons before Pep rocked up there are loads of managers in world and European football that could win the league with City . When Ferguson arrived at old Trafford united were a decent cup team with a big drinking culture that hadn’t won the league in almost 2 decades. He built at least 3 sides bringing through youth and getting good up and coming players from abroad, so he didn’t always just buy the best ,over 26 years to absolutely dominate English football and when he retired United were probably the biggest sports club in the world . Not taking away from Pep he is probably the best if not in the top 3 in the world right now but what Ferguson achieved at united and even with Aberdeen might not be achieved again for a long time

@konradnicholasnel262

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, Peps amazing but I coulda been the manager and won the leagues with the teams he had at Barca and Bayern.

I mean Fergie won a European Cup Winners' Cup with Aberdeen beating Real Madrid in the final during the 1982-83 before moving to United. That in itself is a massive achievement

@johndeighan2495

Жыл бұрын

Ah, but Fergie had a "golden generation" of players at Aberdeen. That's what they say about Pep at Barcelona. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

@darraghcareykennedy4819

Жыл бұрын

@John Deighan Fair enough. But it's still an unreal achievement. Also, we have to remember that Aberdeen side broke the Old Firm's clubs hold on the championship title in Scotland, which was a massive deal

@shahzadirani

Жыл бұрын

@@johndeighan2495 last I checked no other manager has beaten Real Madrid in a European Cup Final since Sir Alex Ferguson in 1983! Last I checked Pep bottled a semi final tie to Madrid in 2 minutes with his billion dollar City🤫

@johndeighan2495

Жыл бұрын

@@darraghcareykennedy4819 Yeah, for sure. I'm not interested in downplaying Fergie's achievements. Just looking for consistency of standards.

@johndeighan2495

Жыл бұрын

@@shahzadirani Last I checked, Pep's Barcelona battered Fergie's Man Utd in European Cup finals. Absolutely battered them, twice. We don't have to go back to 1983 and we don't have to go via Real Madrid.

Pep destroyed fergie in two finals End of!

If he was not so blinkered he would know that Cruyff taught Guardiola all he knows so Cruyff changed football Noel.

Guardiola didn’t invent playing out from the back. It’s kinda ridiculous It existed before and he took a lot from Cryuff

Kinda like how a group like The Beatles evolved to change popular music. Where as Oasis just kept rehashing the same derivative formula. I get what Noel is saying

He hit the nail on the head when he talked about the effect on amateur football. Was watching my son play football Monday night and even the older fat guys who have been playing 11 a-side for years were playing it back to the goalie who would then pass it short to a defender. No one was hoofing it

Don't get how you can argue that Pep had Messi, xavi and iniesta so his winning the champions league means nothing but forget that Ferguson had g neville, p neville, butt, Scholes and Beckham all come through united youth team at the same time. Both are great managers

@happydays5218

Жыл бұрын

Let me know when Pepe wins a European trophy with Aberdeen. Very easy to join a team that has just won the European cup or just won a league title

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

He also had to deal with the foreigner rule that only allowed 4 non English players were allowed in the squad (which made him drop his goal-keeper because he had Scots, Irish or Welsh players in there).

Fergie built the premier league with Man United. Pep didnt.

@fqq4137

Жыл бұрын

the 3 top teams in the league are pep’s team, and two teams run by guys who used to put his cones out 😃

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

WHAT?! Fergi is nowhere near Pep..U guys are 2012 kids by thinking Barca and Bayern were super teams..Clown!! Barca was shitty that they couldn't even win Copa del reys and even beat bottom teams..Pep came in and changed everything, introducing his new Tiki-Taka, his evolved False 9 and polished the team by improving the veterans there and bringing in new players who hasn't even played in Champions league before He transformed Messi into Playmaking Messi we all know today.. He went to Bayern and dominated Bundesliga and left with his mark still on their style of play... He came to the so-called toughest league in the world and made a mockery out of them..They all said his Tiki-Taka wouldn't even work against Stoke City but came in a won 4 prems in 5 seasons and even about win his 5th...He brought Technical football to Prem and changed Premier league forever..Changed Football world as a whole with his tactics and ideas..Everyone is trying to be like Pep nowadays...GOAT 🐐🤣🤣🤣

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

@@fqq4137 Fergi is nowhere near Pep 😭😭😭🤡🤡

@Epsilon04

Жыл бұрын

@@eL--RaL agree with a lot of what you said, but disagree with the part about him making Messi into playmaking Messi. Unless you mean he allowed him to have that role in the team, he didn' t coach Messi to play make though, Messi's ability is all natural and he'd be able to do that under anyone.

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

@@Epsilon04 Bruh Messi wasn't a Playmaker in Rijkaard ages..He was a indecisive player..It was Pep who unleashed that natural talents of his into being decisive

We all saw how much better Pep is over Fergie when his Barca team embarrassed Fergies Utd twice in Champions Leagues finals. Add to the his proved those wrong who said his brand of football wouldnt succeed in the Premier League by smashing every Premier league record held by Fergies Utd by some margin.

@jasonahdjfhsdfg

Жыл бұрын

They’ve basically changed the rules in the league to accommodate that boring passing game. Players aren’t even allowed to tackle anymore. Especially not city players. Get near them in the box and they fall over and it’s a penalty.

@hulkhogan12345

Жыл бұрын

You are deluded 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Coxy_Wrecked

Жыл бұрын

@@hulkhogan12345 You are a Man Utd fan😂

@Coxy_Wrecked

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonahdjfhsdfg " boring passing game." Wow,passing,the most crucial aspect of football that actually makes it entertaining is 'boring' now is it? Perhaps you'd prefer traditional British hoofball? And you wonder why the English national team has only ever won one trophy despite being the biggest football nation on the planet.🤦‍♂ Uncultured idiots who believe 'putting it in the mixer' is a great way of playing the beautiful game.😂 Perhaps you'd prefer the 70's and 80's style of football where teams would go a goal up and pass back to the keeper ad infinitum? Or everyone play Fergies 1 dimensional counter attack style football? The Premier league is now the best and most entertaining league in the world and has the strongest teams(unlike back in Man Utd's Fergie years) and that down to the huge influx of foreign managers and players raising the quality,intensity,speed and technical ability of the sides competiing in the Premier League. But nah,passing is boring isnt it mate🤷‍♂

@jasonahdjfhsdfg

Жыл бұрын

@@Coxy_Wrecked No I prefer how Utd used to play in the 2000s, flying wingers, dominating the midfield. Exciting football. You know instead of this pass the ball around your defence until your opponent falls asleep. But you’re about 17 so clearly you werent even born then love.

Johan Cruyff literally introduced Barcelona and Pep to tiki taka and won 4 consecutive league titles and two European trophies and about 4 domestic trophies with a squad of which I doubt most people could name the entire starting 11 of. Cruyff took over a Barcelona team that had yet to win a European Cup/Champions League in their history and was in total cultural and financial disarray, and totally reinvented La Masia. I’ve seen people say that Pep took over a struggling Barcelona team. That’s absolutely ludicrous compared to the team Cruyff took over in 1987. Barcelona had won the Champions League 2 years before Pep Guardiola arrived, and sure Frank Rijkaard struggled domestically thereafter, but it was never to the extent of what Cruyff had to deal with. Barcelona were so bad in the 70s and 80s that the actual President of Catalonia totally dismissed the club and disregarded the club’s apparent representation of Catalonia.

Sir Alex didn't have an open cheque book !!

Sir Alex will forever be the best unless pep does the quadruple and betters sir Alex’s treble for now it’s not even close Noel can go and cry when City are stripped from their titles when they are found guilty

Pep inherited a Barca team that won the CL before Messi & Iniesta broke into the team. Add those 2 to an already winning team and a penguin could’ve managed that team to CL glory. He underperformed at Bayern and he’s failed SO MANY TIMES in City’s quest so far to win it- the Chelsea final being a prime example of deciding against playing a defensive midfielder when he’d played Fernandinho all season….Pep’s undeniably overrated.

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

Look at his stupid ass..U are just admitting that u are a 2015 born kid by thinking Barca and Bayern were super teams..Clown!! 🤣🤣🤣 Barca was shitty that they couldn't even win Copa del reys and even beat bottom teams..Pep came in and changed everything, introducing his new Tiki-Taka, his evolved False 9 and polished the team by improving the veterans there and bringing in new players who hasn't even played in Champions league before He transformed Messi into Playmaking Messi we all know today.. He went to Bayern and dominated Bundesliga and left with his mark still on their style of play... He came to the so-called toughest league in the world and made a mockery out of them..They all said his Tiki-Taka wouldn't even work against Stoke City but came in a won 4 prems in 5 seasons and even about win his 5th...He brought Technical football to Prem and changed Premier league forever..Changed Football world as a whole with his tactics and ideas..Everyone is trying to be like Pep nowadays...GOAT 🐐🤣🤣🤣

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

Pep in his lowest form>>>Fergi in his highest form 🤡🤣🤣🤣

Noel is clueless.

Gallagher, really cool guy who must be loving to be a city fan. Loved his comments on the bad music. Wonder what he thought of Kinkladze... What other musicians are actually football fans of which team? Rod Stewart, isn´t he celtic supporter?

You forgot to clip the heated bit.

What could Fergie do with unlimited amounts of money? I reckon he would have won the CL by now that's for sure.

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

What?! The man got about millions and still won only 2 in 27 years..U guys are so pathetic that u make urselves clowns by trying so hard to defend Fergi who's nowhere near PEP...He's a kid in front of Pep..Pep schooled him twice in UCL finals..OVERRATED UK MANAGER!! 🤡🤣🤣

@jjjordan5006

Жыл бұрын

He had Mu was most reach club in the world

@ajnz2420

Жыл бұрын

You do realize Pep has won as many CL's as SAF? FYI- football is played outside of the UK.

@colingeddes2172

Жыл бұрын

Pep and fergie are both incredible managers for different reasons, but i wud say arsene wenger changed the culture of football in our country. He was a visionary.

@theculturedthug6609

Жыл бұрын

@@colingeddes2172 That's true.

Wenger changed football ppl like pep got inspired

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

Wenger changed football??! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Yeah he changed Arsenal into Banter FC 😭😭😭🤡🤡🤡🤡

Guardiola copy paste Cryuff ideas to the book. Sing a wonderwall.

Pep is great at going to teams that are already winning and buying more players. Also without attracting any controversy such as paying referees or breaking financial fair play rules.

@aryan.4855

Жыл бұрын

Exactly we been saying for a while, Man City been paying referees under pep. Remember the Liverpool game few weeks ago when Rodri fouled gakpo no red card, the last min dive from KDB to get a penalty, the referee in Bayern Munich game.

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

@@aryan.4855 Ma man can't accept that Pep in his lowest form>>>Fergi on his highest form 🤡🤣🤣

@-The-Darkside

Жыл бұрын

@@eL--RaL man can't accept 130 FFp breaches... Still hasn't won the champions league with Bayern or City. Only did it with... players signed by Van Gaal at Barca (messi, Iniesta, Xavi).. If you want to argue go ahead clown shoes.

@davidregal2979

Жыл бұрын

@@aryan.4855 Utd have been paying refs like Howard Webb to win the league

@davidregal2979

Жыл бұрын

@@-The-Darkside I thought it was 2000ffp? Surely you're turning up to the court with your own evidence..

Wenger changed football in a more profound way ..Parker needs to chill

he did...Sir alex was a great manager but if anyone asks whats his contribution to the game of football itself. No one can mention one

@vi7225

Жыл бұрын

@The mighty redmen yeah fair point, but actually it was Fergie vs Wenger to be precise. Before that rivalry, epl was kind of joke

@firedoesnotdiscriminate

Жыл бұрын

​@@vi7225 read up on what he did with Aberdeen, 13 epl titles is also a pretty massive contribution to the game, he's widely accepted as the best British manager of all time, all of those are major contributions to the game of football, Ferguson will remembered forever as one of the greatest.

@vi7225

Жыл бұрын

@M D never said he is not exceptional..I am just saying he didn't have the impact on the game as pep. Sir Alex was an exceptional manager

@JW-be8wf

Жыл бұрын

@@firedoesnotdiscriminate Winning is not a contribution to the game. Because there has to be a winner. Contribution to the game is about innovating and bettering how the game is played. Pep's 08/09 Barca team did to football what IPhone did to mobile phones. Nobody saw it coming and now everyone is living in it. Pep's impact on the game how it is played globally and across all levels of competition is unmatched. The only person in the last 40 years who could be mentioned in the same sentence for contribution is Arrigo Sacchi with his 1980s AC Milan teams. This is the unfortunate truth. Jose Mourinho once said, 'There are many poets in football, but poets don't win many titles." I say mostly true except Pep. Even Pep has said about his 08/09 treble winning Barca team, "They will not remember us for the trophies but the way we played."

@diehard21000

Жыл бұрын

​@@vi7225 How was epl a joke before that ,there was some great rivalry fergie against daglish and then Keegan

What makes Fergie so unique to other top managers is the way he was able to remain at one club and rebuild the squad into a title winning team multiple times, and still keep them competitive during these rebuilding phases. Pep walks away before he has to do this so we never see him tested in this way. Fergie also survived at the top through different eras and seem off multiple rival teams and managers with completely different styles of football, most managers struggle to adapt when the game changes. Also look at the state of some of the players he was winning trophies with in his last few years, to be winning league titles with players like Phil Jones and Tom cleverley in the team is a fairly big achievement. Also had to deal with the glazers in his last 7/8 years in charge. The fact the club has failed so miserably since he retired just shows how much of a difference he made there. If pep leaves Man City I don’t think it makes much of a difference to their results, they’d still be in the title race every year.

@kingwata1

Жыл бұрын

There was no competition

@firedoesnotdiscriminate

Жыл бұрын

​@@kingwata1 yes there was, do some research.

@Alloyd876

Жыл бұрын

@@kingwata1 yet there was an undefeated team. And a Liverpool that went to 2 straight cl finals and a Chelsea that were world beaters. 😂 Bra just STFU

@horacebinns8069

Жыл бұрын

Rubbish

@jalberto428

Жыл бұрын

And is older 🤣 don't see anyone playing fergie football, but peps football all over

That’s like saying Liam was the better band member! He was the frontman but Noel wrote the music

I remember noel once saying he was going to get an arsenal season ticket when they were flying high in the early 00s

Wondering if Noel told them if it was 1 or 2 for the filming in studio

Would Pep have been able to win the league and compete with prime Chelsea and Arsenal with Phil Jones and Chris Smalling as CBS, Anderson in midfield, and Welbeck up front. Even Tom Cleverley and Djemba Djemba have PL winners medals.

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

Bullshit..Pep used La Masia graduates to win Sextuple and trebles..WTF!..Trying so hard to make those United players some average players just to put Fergi on some pedestal..Another day, Another argument u would say those players were world class.. Douchebag 🤣

@_l0wkey_4

Жыл бұрын

Prime Arsenal 😅😅 that saw a league title last at 2004

@jasonahdjfhsdfg

Жыл бұрын

@@_l0wkey_4 Viera, Pires, Henry, Viera, Sol Campbell, Ashley Cole, Ljunberh, Bergkamp. It was a testament to Ferguson that they won so little.

@TP-pq9xx

Жыл бұрын

Would Fergie have been able to reach 100 points in the league with Fabian Delph at left back?

@brianlo2348

Жыл бұрын

@@TP-pq9xx Has Pep won a european trophy with a non top-5 league team?

Better than Sir Alex loool. Alex broke the Rangers and Celtic stronghold in Scotland with Aberdeen and won a euro cup with them With not much money Then done the same with Utd ~ This is a bizarre statement

how many trophies does sir Alex have again? more than pep turned a mid table team into a powerhouse I'd like to see pep try that lol

I hate the argument about pep changed the game well he added only more possession he have to win the UCL and then we talk. Cause mancity spent billions and still can’t 😎

Liam is also a better musician than Noel.

Noel is deluded 🤣🤣🤣 fergie changed everything.. peps changed football 🤣🤣 everyteam he's went to has had the biggest budget.. like to see him take aberdeen to European final beating monsters and then beating Madrid at home in the final.. the onky time madrid have suffered defeat in a European final. 🤡

@eL--RaL

Жыл бұрын

WHAT?! Fergi is nowhere near Pep..U guys are 2012 kids by thinking Barca and Bayern were super teams..Clown!! Barca was shitty that they couldn't even win Copa del reys and even beat bottom teams..Pep came in and changed everything, introducing his new Tiki-Taka, his evolved False 9 and polished the team by improving the veterans there and bringing in new players who hasn't even played in Champions league before He transformed Messi into Playmaking Messi we all know today.. He went to Bayern and dominated Bundesliga and left with his mark still on their style of play... He came to the so-called toughest league in the world and made a mockery out of them..They all said his Tiki-Taka wouldn't even work against Stoke City but came in a won 4 prems in 5 seasons and even about win his 5th...He brought Technical football to Prem and changed Premier league forever..Changed Football world as a whole with his tactics and ideas..Everyone is trying to be like Pep nowadays...GOAT 🐐🤣🤣🤣

@-The-Darkside

Жыл бұрын

@@eL--RaL " introducing his new Tiki-Taka, his evolved False 9 " Imagine believing that LMFAO. Maybe google Tiki Taka and find its' DUTCH total football by Johan Cruyff, who was succeeded by LVG and then Rijkaard, then Pep.. Pep didn't invent anything. Go to Camp Nou and see who's name and face is all over it. It's not Peps.

@firedoesnotdiscriminate

Жыл бұрын

​@@eL--RaL Bayern won the treble the summer Pep joined but weren't a super team erm... OK Mr. Clueless

@AJ-nd4nk

Жыл бұрын

Not the only time Madrid suffered a defeat in a European cup final. Liverpool beat them 1-0 in the 1981 final.

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

@@eL--RaL copy and paste, a definate cult member.

Guardiola is to Fergie as Oasis are to The Beatles... lets leave it at that.

Pep will whip Fergie ass left, right if Fergie were to be coaching Man U today...

arsene wenger changed the football and changed the premier league as arsenal manager arsene wenger the 🐐!!!!!

I haven't forgotten about the investigation.

Honestly, I don't rate them both,Pep's time at Barca was just carrying out the previous manager work and having Xavi,Iniesta,Messi and others definitely help and any manager would've achieved more..he failed at Bayern,he failed at City in the last CL final with his chocking decisions..

Pep didn't invent the possession game, playing from the back. The Brazilians been doing that forever.

Never done it in any other country haha. Literally did it in Scotland before England won a european trophy with Aberdeen and was still the last club to win the league in Scotland other than Celtic or rangers.

The only thing that I'm afraid of is how long it's been since we lost to Arsenal at home and you know that runn is bound to end at some point. Hopefully not tonight 🙏🙏🙏🙏💪💪💪

How can this guy say Pep invented playing out from the back ??? It’s comical when did he start watching football. Pep played that at Barcelona but most of those players were playing it with Spain long before Pep became manager . Also does he not remember Cryff ? I think Pep is obviously an outstanding manager probably in the top 3 in the world right now but let’s not start saying he invented a new type of football that has never been seen . In my opinion Wenger has had a bigger influence on the English game than Pep has so far

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

It's like children thinking 'Star Wars' was the first first and not watching anything before,

What an idiotic statement. Expect nothing less from Noel.

That's not even a debate. Pep beat fergie in his 1st year as a manager. And to all those who say he had a made team pique, pedro buesquets were academy players he brought in. And fergie had Rooney teves Ronaldo up front

@realoneg6321

Жыл бұрын

He had Henry eto yaya toure. Messi Xavi inestia came through LVG and rijkkard. He can only win champions league with Messi.

@mullerz2776

Жыл бұрын

@@realoneg6321 how original. So why did barca only win cl after. What about beating fergie in his 1st season as a manager.

@realoneg6321

Жыл бұрын

@@mullerz2776 his team had a lot of winners from rjjakard, only henry messi and yaya toure never won ucl rest where already winners . plus he couldnt get to a final once with bayern he got destroyed by real mardid lost 4-0 at home . plus when fergie won leagues he never bought best players in world they was upcoming or young talents. rooney and ronaldo for example. rjjkard found messi and gave him his debut and won ucl under him. plus he NEVER got to back to back champions league., barca cheated against chelsea in SEMI FINAL 09/10. mourhino won league with most points in li liga too messi and pep never did that.

@mullerz2776

Жыл бұрын

@@realoneg6321 again that's nothing original your just saying what every other salty pep hater says. U forget to mention how fergie in the 90s could spend more than any rival even buying the best player from their rival mid season like Andy Cole which is like pep buying Ronaldo from real mid season. Or buying cantona from Leeds after Leeds won the title. The fact that in 30 years he won 2 cl which was in injury time and on pens. Whereas pep outplayed fegies best team off the park. Back to Google to find something on pep. What style did fegie have that influenced football like pep? You was probably one of those that said pep can't play his style in the epl. Appreciate good football than managers like Jose. Every team and manager wants to play like pep.

The difference is that Fergie could walk into a an average club and make them the best. Pep has only ever walked into clubs that were already the best or second best in their respective leagues (Barcelona, Bayern, and City). Those teams also already had some of the best players. At City, he has spent more money than any other manager in the history of football and still hasn’t won the Champions League. He’s definitely a good manager and most good mangers would have achieved the same level of success, if not more, given the same players and money he has spent.

@geezee9208

Жыл бұрын

Barca were third best in their league when he took over (18 points behind Real and 10 behind Villareal). Just nit-picking your statement.

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

@@geezee9208 They's already won the CL two seasons before, just nit-picking your statement ;-)

@geezee9208

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbyjosson4663 I didn't refer to CL or say they hadn't, so it is irrelevant to my statement which refers to league position when he took over.

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

@@geezee9208 I agree that you didn't but you chose to highlight their league position suggesting they were weak when the season before they were good enough to win the CL, which at least shows some quality in the ranks. Just a little bit of context.

@geezee9208

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbyjosson4663 I chose to highlight their league position because that is what the original poster referred to, and it was demonstrating that they were not in the top two in that country as specified by the poster. Of course there was quality in their ranks (it's Barcelona), they had some of the best players in the world. Tough, they were a shambles at the time. The season before, they didn't win the CL. It was the season before that.

For me, Sir Matt Busby is the British best manager of all-time as he had to literally deal with actual deadwood and adversity at United unlike any other manager, and he can through with flying colors. His Liverpudlian and Man City DNA is key too.

Pep hasn't changed football he got his style of cruyff who took it from ajax .. come on you guys are supposed to know football . Liverpool in the 80s were playing possesion football .

Fergie is clear, peps a chequebook manager without messi.

Goldstein: "Sir Alex won the Treble." Gallagher: "So?" Pretty much tells you all you need to know about this clowns football IQ

Carlo - Insert club name here Clough - Nottingham Forest Jose - Porto and Inter Guttmann - Benfica Fergie - Aberdeen and United In that order... the rest can go do one!

@geezee9208

Жыл бұрын

Are you trying to imply that Fergie won the European Cup/Champions League with Aberdeen???

@MMCV963

Жыл бұрын

​@@geezee9208 he won a cup winners cup against Real Madrid, which is still an insane feat.

@geezee9208

Жыл бұрын

@@MMCV963 It's not a European Cup/Champions League though is it, and world football in the 70's and 80's was completely different to what it is now.

@MMCV963

Жыл бұрын

@@geezee9208 noones saying it is, but its still a massive feat to achieve for a club like Aberdeen even in the 70s/80s.

He was a Celtic fan when city were shite

There are a few highly successful managers with loads of titles and obviously winning titles will always be the main hallmark for sporting success. But managers that have actually changed the way the game was played... that is a different level. Of those legendary icons there are only a handful, maybe a couple more in 100+ years of history. Alex Ferguson for all the success and incredible legendary status he achieved has never changed the way the game was played. Pep Guardiola did. Twice.

@diehard21000

Жыл бұрын

But he re built 4 teams and adapted all the way to the end ,hardly any mangers do that

@paparucoontour

Жыл бұрын

@@diehard21000 you right and that's incredible. He also knew at the back end of his tenure that he needed help, he was IMO one the most savvy around ever. He read the game to perfection and his forte was team management. That's why he brought Carlos and others, again smart and proactive. But he never did change the game did he. He changed United but the way football was played, I'm sorry but no. That doesn't mean he is one of the greats and will be up there no doubt, but Guardiola is a philosopher, is a creator of things... a disruptor. A different level.

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

No he didn't, Cryuff did as he was the influence upon Pep.

No, but WENGER did! Oasis were an average pop band but they didn't change ANYTHING! Congratulations to Gallagher for living off a few Oasis hits and being a celebrity Man City fan. 😄

I remember Man Utd at their best. I remember the Cantona era, the class of '99, Ronaldo & Rooney... Great teams. But none of them were as good as this City team. Nor were they as good as Pep's Barcelona. As we know, Pep's Barcelona faced Utd twice and absolutely wiped the floor with them. Both men managed elite teams and had the wherewithal to recruit the very best players in world football. Who produced better teams? Pep. Who won matches and trophies at the higher rate? Pep. Who amassed more points season by season? Pep. That suggests he's the better manager. It doesn't prove it (you can't prove it). But it does suggest it.

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention that United beat Barca to get to the CL final in 2008, but perhaps that would work for your narrative. Also, you ignore that Pep has had unlimited resources to build. And money matters in football/

@johndeighan2495

Жыл бұрын

​@@bobbyjosson4663 Pep wasn't the manager of Barcelona at that time. Utd beat Rijkaard's Barca in 2008, only to get hammered by Pep's Barca in 2009. If anything, that shows the difference Pep made. If anything, that supports my case, not yours.

@bobbyjosson4663

Жыл бұрын

@@johndeighan2495 Fair point with the 2008 Barca. As I've said before and many others have too, he is a superb tactical coach with a marvellous view of the attacking game, but winning with Barca (for which he did none of the recruiting of youth) who are the only two major clubs in Spain, Bayern - who'd won the Treble the season before and is basically the National German team and a City team that was set-up for him by a Sovereign State with top talent doesn't work when totting up the trophy count. It's like comparing the notch count of a billionaire's son who has unlimited funds, a mansion and car, is model handsome and world famous and saying he is a "ladies man". What would Kloop's team be like with those funds, or Wenger and Fergie's in previous eras. Or even Mourino at his peak or descent.

@johndeighan2495

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@@bobbyjosson4663 There are plenty rich, good looking guys who struggle with the ladies! It's an independent skill, it's not reducible to wealth, fame, looks or whatever else. Likewise with management. But that's not even the most important point. The most important point is that Utd under Fergie could get whatever players they wanted. They could afford to pay the wages of the world's best players. That's the point. Now there's more money in the game. But that just means players cost more. It doesn't mean they're better. Man Utd under Fergie could - and often did - recruit the very best players. Veron, van Nistelrooy, Tevez, Berbatov, van Persie... and so on. Utd could bring in world class players, as and when they wanted. That puts them in pretty much the same position as City.

you only have to look at man u before and after sir alex to see how great he truly was. and let's not forget his success at aberdeen. still the last none old firm team to win the league. oh and they beat a certain r madrid in a european final.

Arsene wenger seriously gets disrespected in this country.. hes the 1 who changed it

There is no better manager than Sir Alex and i am a liverpool supporter . Ever really ge was much more than hus trophies .

@paulmartin9194

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If you were a Liverpool supporter you'd know Bob Paisley was a better manager. 3 European cups with the same club and more trophies per season ratio.

SAF was never a great tactician like the others but when you speak about team building, man management, overachieving with a mediocre core of players, thats makes him (imo) better than Pep. Imagine this, his best work was maybe in Aberdeen and Aberdeen is the last team who beat Real Madrid in a European final. 🤯🤯🤯

Not even a debate. Its like comparing a self made billionaire to Richie rich

Give Pep AS Roma see if he can change football. 😂

Ferguson won the league with Aberdeen and two European trophies, nobody outside the old firm have won the SPL since

If we give Klop the resources I think he definitely does better than Pep, a bit out of context but that how I see it

Absolute bonkers, how many players did pep bring up from the academy to a winning team? zero...€1.61billion spent in 7years !

Sir Alex DID win championships in two different leagues / countries - England and Scotland. [and winning the Scottish Premier League was against perennial winners Rangers and Celtic].

@okocha7914

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Pep won in 3 different countries, so your logic doesnt make sense.

@thesoultwins72

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@@okocha7914 .....Clean your ears out 'Mr Pedantic' - Gallagher said that Ferguson had never won a championship in other countries. It's YOUR [supposed] logic that makes no sense.

@bobbyjosson4663

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@@okocha7914 And one was with the all mighty Bayern, who'd just won the Treble.

True

could pep win a league title with a club like boavista, and win a cup winners cup, plus multiple domestic trophies, then go and build an empire at a club like man united ie barcelona, fergie has won more titles, more cups and more european trophies than pep with a combined war chest that even counting for inflation rates is absolutley minute compared to what guardiola has spent, pep may have built teams, but he has never built clubs from the bottom up, fergie has done that twice, aberdeen and manchester united, it would be interesting to see how pep would do with a crumbling team with almost no transfer budget

This was not a heated debate, heated if the guy who's defending Sir Alex would go harder. Pep have to prove to me that he can win the Champion League outside of Bercelona, who am I? A person.

Gallagher conveniently forgets the miracles worked by Fergie at Aberdeen. Regardless of what Pep goes on to win at City, I'd NEVER compare him to Sir Alex because let's face it, most managers would have succeeded with prime Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. Just for the record Pep FAILED at Bayern Munich and inherited a quality Man City team and then built on it with hundreds of millions of pounds. Fergie turned United from a struggling mid table team into a dominant Premier League force who remain in transition ever since he left 10 years ago.

SAF fans and Pep haters will swarm up here to try and be all salty and put Pep in the mud..Some will go by "Pep is a checkbook manager" and others will suddenly become Johan Cruyff fans outta nowhere 🤡🤣

@eL--RaL

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@@lfcbung4638 in his lowest form>>Fergi in his highest form 🤡😭😭

@brianlo2348

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@@eL--RaL SAF won Scottish league with Aberdeen, who have exponentially less resources than Celtic or Rangers, won the UCL with a scottish side, and was the last team to beat Madrid in a UCL final, has pep done that?

Fergie built a dynasty from the basement to the boardroom with 6 academy players in his 1st team. Pep is a good manager but it's far easier to buy your players for millions.

This is ridiculous claim! Pep won trophies with THAT group of players, another manager took over and won trophies with them, third manager took over and won with them. Bayern always are crowned as champions! And what has Pep invented in England? It used to be called tinkering, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. And don’t get me started on producing players through the academy.