Thank god Brian was in that room, else they’d be having the most dumb conversation ever

@ExploreXplore394

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I think I know where you are coming from.

@kyriacandro

Жыл бұрын

His fault for getting these new panel members 😆

@georgeb8679

Жыл бұрын

Get a job bro

@kyriacandro

Жыл бұрын

@@georgeb8679 ok lol

@georgeb8679

Жыл бұрын

@@kyriacandro how's frustrated life? 😂😂😂😂😂 Loserpool fan?😂😂😂😂😂

Pep managed Barca B and got them promoted before he got the Barca job. Also, if these top jobs are so easy, why do other managers not achieve the same level of success?

@m.browne2548

Жыл бұрын

i was waiting for this. how come they missed barca B?

@hervekuma

Жыл бұрын

Fella Barca b team play in a professional league . Think it’s like the 3rd division he won . Barca obviously are able to accumulate the best young talent around the world💸 so it’s them coming up against the equivalent of Rochdale and Macclesfield of course he was going to do well. Hence the reason no one mentions that👍

@joelgeorge3435

Жыл бұрын

No one said top jobs are easy. That is not the argument. Doing top jobs with non dominant teams is greater than doing top jobs with top teams. That is the argument.

@hervekuma

Жыл бұрын

@@joelgeorge3435 👌👌both world class managers imo

@jacquesmassard9226

Жыл бұрын

Zidane three Champions league wins in a row is much greater success than Pep's done and Ancelotti got 4 without Messi too.

Klopp is still the last non-Bayern Munich manager to win the Bundesliga (twice in a row). Klopp brought the League title to a club that hadn't won it in the last 30 years. Klopp won the UCL title with a non league winning team while Pep hasn't done it with two league winners. Klopp pushed against a side that had much more than twice his team's budget, winning the league once and finishing just 1 point behind twice. It's true that Liverpool are sort of burnt out now, but Klopp is still my pick of the two.

“400m on forwards”😂😂😂 he needs to be held accountable for that

@NLGNATHAN

Жыл бұрын

Hes clueless, works out about £190M before add ons and about £260M after

@lee84

Жыл бұрын

Fella is a clown

@highfiveentertainment298

Жыл бұрын

Pep 1 billion, Klopp 745 million! 250 million less stop pretending

@WJeezus

Жыл бұрын

@@highfiveentertainment298 i mean assuming that those numbers are right. Klopp was at Liverpool a season before, with 33% increase in the amount spent, with a better starting point, and city hiding money theyve spent. It all adds up

@messnaldoup4gbh470

Жыл бұрын

“150 million on 2 players” yes because they sold one for 140 million you dope

Both great managers but people need to remember how bad Liverpool were when klopp took over. Not to mention what he did with Dortmund. City were winning titles before pep and they will win titles after pep. The same can’t be said about Liverpool and klopp.

@amino2311

Жыл бұрын

Pep built the best Barca team, one of the best Bayern, the best Man City of all time man come on

@adrodog17

Жыл бұрын

@@amino2311 peps amazing. I wouldn't say he's built those clubs tho, more like renovated them for the better

@darwinianchimp2630

Жыл бұрын

@@amino2311 Same it is for Klopp with him taking Mainz from bundesliga 2 to bundesliga, dortmund from 9th in the league to winning them a league and reaching a UCL final and liverpool in 8th to all they can win. I for once would love to see Pep take a midtable team to league titles and Klopp with a team which can get the best footballers money can buy to settle this debate.

@southerner6852

Жыл бұрын

They still only won one league though. Doesn't matter in the eyes of history.

@highfiveentertainment298

Жыл бұрын

Bro relax, Rogers was in charge before Klopp who had built a team just after coming second in the league 😂😂😂 stop pretending like Liverpool where in 20th

Bro... They can't be compared because Klopp hasn't taken a winning team and had that pressure to improve it. And Pep hasn't rebuild any team from scratch and with a limited budget. Pep took a team that had won the Champions League two seasons prior. Rijkaard brought Barcelona to the spotlight, Ronaldinho, Deco, etc. Pep took them to another level Pep took a trebble winning Bayern Munich and didn't take them to another level. Pep took a City team that had won 2 titles in the last 4 seasons with two 2nd places. Pellegrini and Mancini were the ones that took City from bottom to the top. Pep went in and spent as much as those two put together... and took them to another level. Pep haven't done what Klopp did at Dortmund and at Liverpool. And Klopp hasn't done what Pep has done. Pep has improved players, yes. Klopp too. Lewandowski, Gotze, Reus, Gundogan, Hummels, etc. Mané, Salah, Firmino, Trent, Robbo... bro, come on. Besides, Klopp's Dortmund was the last team that took Bayern off their perch in Germany and won the EPL for Liverpool for the first time in 30 years. And has played 3 UCL finals in 5 years. This guy comparing Liverpool's spending with City is plain dumb. Pep has spent twice as much as Klopp since coming in.

@BlackOxymoron

Жыл бұрын

your argument falls short because by your logic NO MANAGER CAN EVER BE COMPARED TO EACH OTHER, because they never been in exact same situations. this is rather nonsensical, YOU CAN COMPARE the 2, and Klopp is less successful and it aint about the money or any other metric you stated, Pep has been successful at every club his been, and not just successful but dominated completely, Pep is the modern era version of Alex fergy. there is no manager like Pep, and they all fall short of Pep big budget or not, Mourinho has had big budget, nowhere near Pep, Chelsea have give their managers big budgets, they get fired frequently, Man Utd have a big budget and no success, this argument of budget is null and void because we have seen, it takes more than buying expensive players to not only get at the top but stay there. another thing you forget in your argument is that Pep spends big on the RIGHT PLAYERS and do not forget it took him 2 seasons to finally get going in City, he had to tinker and fix up that City side before he dominated, so that shows you its not about money. Basically im saying you can compare Klopp to Pep same way we compare Fergie to Wenger, we compare Mourinho to everyone else. and Pep is superior to Klopp,

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Well i guess United (or Chelsea) should won something i last 10 years with money they spent if it is like you say all about spending money.

@basc5026

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, 2 managers on different paths so it’s not possible to decide who’s best

@danielmedina8332

Жыл бұрын

@@BlackOxymoron That's exactly my point: Most managers can't be compared. Most do different work. It has MORE many variables than when you compare individual players. No club has the same circumstances. You really can say that fighting relegation with limited budget and limited quality of players is less hard than fighting for the title with all the resources available? No, it's a lot of pressure and it involves different sets of skills Pep himself has said so. Bielsa is one of his mentors, and look at Bielsa's career. Most managers regard him as one of the best, yet he chooses different paths. Some managers are cut out for different roles Pep WON'T make Wolves play like City. He himself has said so, his style of play needs certain type of players. If he can't bring them in, he would have to adapt. The argument of budget isn't null. You can have a budget and fail, because of scouting and bad planning. But you can have good scouting and plans and yet fall short without budget. You can't compare Wegner and Fergie either. And more to the point. It's about building a team from scratch. Getting a team of "losers" and a club with "loser mentaility" and transform them. Pep has never done that. And i'm not attacking Pep, it's just a reality. Arteta is trying to do it, and he has spent 3 times more than Klopp in the past 4 years, yet, it is hard, players don't know how to win. Conte took a Chelsea team that knew how to win, they had won things. He spent less money at Chelsea and won. Took over Spurs and spent more and we can all see the results.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@basc5026 I am sorry, but what are you talking about? They are in same cups and leagues?

The other two guests don’t get the financial situation at Liverpool and think klopp manages the funds 😂😂😂😂

@thedunyadoneya2628

Жыл бұрын

They absolutely get it, they just have 💩 for brains.

@rajkaranvirk7525

Жыл бұрын

Klopp since summer of last season, along with Pep Leijnders has taken over the transfer dealings, from Michael Edwards who had left.

@arbazk2705

Жыл бұрын

@@rajkaranvirk7525 how does that have anything to do with how much money he is able to spend?

@rajkaranvirk7525

Жыл бұрын

@@arbazk2705 It doesn’t the argument used was that Klopp has shown so far that he is “misusing” funds. On terrible players, Gakpo was signed for 50 million when you needed to save up to get bellingham? And you didn’t even need a new attacker, they just happened to be injured. The same summer transfer window Klopp was saying he didn’t need a midfielder(even though everyone and their grandma knew they needed one) In a few years you’ll realize that it was Michael Edwards who had amazing recruitment not Klopp.

@arbazk2705

Жыл бұрын

@@rajkaranvirk7525 klopp was told money was set aside for bellingham and pulled out the deal when he realised he can spend 150 million on more players rather than 1, but we’ll see indeed pal

No point in comparing the two until Pep steps down to a team that needs a rebuild on a limited budget, or until FSG starts giving Klopp whatever he wants financially

@saranshsharma4005

Жыл бұрын

You expect pep, a manager of a champion cadre to step down to a club which doesn't even compete in the CL? Ask Klopp to do it, lets see if klopp can do it with FC Basel And talking about finances ,whose sorry ass spent money on Mane, Salah, Van Dijk, Konate, Alisson, Diaz, Nunez, Jota. Stop speaking of Finances, had klopp won the league without spending money, i would have appreciated him more, but he spent the money too, big time

Personally I feel klopp loves having the "underdog" status. That is his identity as a manager

@dagzey

Жыл бұрын

yeah kind of,,i think he has to be attracted to the job and the money available doesnt really come in to his decision making when considering if hes going to take it or not,,,,klopp could easily of got jobs with bayern,madrid or united where he would of won a lot more

@StillAwesome21

Жыл бұрын

He's not though, compared to Pep yes, but in general no. Hasn't been for a long time.

@dada41954

Жыл бұрын

@@StillAwesome21 Dortmund and Mainz

@LoneShadow69

Жыл бұрын

@@dada41954 even liverpool which was a mid table team

@LP-wn5wn

Жыл бұрын

Sure is working well for him😂

True geordie: Pep has spent over 1 billion pounds at Manchester city over 7 seasons and still hasn't won the champions league Craig:How much was Alvarez tho .😂😂😂

In my opinion I believe both a on a par. And it's genuinely down to the fact that I think both have differences in strengths. I believe Pep has his sides playing better football, but Klopp has made some bang average players look like absolute world beaters. I think if you got both managers to assemble a team of exactly what they want, it would be close but Pep probably edges it. And if you got both teams to assemble a team on a limited budget I think Klopp would edge it. Who I choose is completely down to either of those two circumstances, but even then, it's close. Even though I'm a Liverpool fan, I'm a big admirer of Pep and I don't actually care if people prefer him, but it's pure ignorance to ignore the brilliance of Klopp and make out he's not on that level, because he definitely is.

@domonicdecoco2410

Жыл бұрын

Klopp is clear. Every situation Pep has been in, he’s walked into ritches. Super Barca, Lewa Bayern, and now City.

@lewisguitarh2213

Жыл бұрын

@domonicdecoco2410 Unless we see the tables turned we will never know. But I can say that I wouldn't trade Klopp for Pep, and I highly doubt any Man City fan would trade Pep for Klopp. They are the perfect match for what each club has at its disposal. The argument is moot

The debate should be who's more insufferable, Marvin or Craig?

@cfc5432

Жыл бұрын

def marvin

Pep’s influence on football alone sets him apart from the others. He changed the way football was played in Spain Germany and the “best league in the world” EPL. Players and understudy managers that were under pep are making strides to becoming great managers. Who else has done that apart from cruyff

@samkelorashuza5949

Жыл бұрын

Klopp has heavily influenced football with his heavy metal football

@kyriacandro

Жыл бұрын

Sir Alex is the goat 🐐

@g.n.b9197

Жыл бұрын

Pep plays entertaining football but give Klopp the City team he inherited and tell me he doesn't change the landscape of the game. Plus he creates managers? Arteta just bottled the EPL and Kompany just started as a coach and he was a player not under his coaching staff. RIDICULOUS!

@georgeb8679

Жыл бұрын

​@@samkelorashuza5949😂😂😂😂

@user-pw3dt7hd7s

Жыл бұрын

Klopp basically changed the pressing system of football

Literally nothing Marvin said made sense in this clip

Hold on, what did people actually say when Liverpool signed Salah? No one thought he would be a superstar including Liverpool fans.

@dwaynebelvett7297

Жыл бұрын

We were told he was a Chelsea reject 🤷🏾‍♂️

@thedunyadoneya2628

Жыл бұрын

"One season wonder" (lots of evidence for this prediction from a lot of people) and now its "oh he had salah". Typical.

@adenihunadewale9214

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@guruj8827

Жыл бұрын

These guys are jokeman for the shot they say

Imagine a manager needing players to win trophies

The fact that Klopp hasn't been able to rebuild due to the lack of transfer budget says it all. If he'd had unlimited funds like Pep has, then Liverpool wouldn't be in the situation they are now with the midfield no longer having the legs and all aging out. We would already have Bellingham and other top young players in to replace them. Pep has been playing Football Manager with unlimited funds turned on for his whole career... And if you've ever tried that you'll know it makes things a whole lot easier to win.

@z3dda

Жыл бұрын

Who’s fault is that? Man went and bought 4 forwards when he needed a midfield man misjudged it all.. shows what it is.. no one should have to tell him, is he blind? All the scouse fans was screaming for a new midfield man went and spent on forwards 😂💀

@HonestWatchReviewsHWR

Жыл бұрын

@@z3dda Yeah we should have prioritised midfielders over forwards. But again Pep and Man City wouldn't have to pick one or the other, they could just do both.

@thetruth4654

Жыл бұрын

Having loads of money and buying players, is no gurantee of success, just look back at Real Madrid`s history with the failed galacticos project, current day Chelsea, and current day Liverpool. So simply assuming that throwing money at something will make it go away.

@elnino3903

Жыл бұрын

It’s easy for these clowns to talk, however if it was their club and their money, you’d have to look at return on investment, then tell me who is worth having Klopp or Pep. It’s easy to just say things with no knowledge of business or football. It’s wild anyone with any common sense would pick pep over Klopp. Klopp out here making miracles with the likes of Origi and Shaqiri while pep scratching his head.

@stephenskyle609

Жыл бұрын

@@z3dda Liverpool have never been a club that will just sign someone because they need a player in that position, they have shortlists of players they want. Gakpo and Diaz were on their shortlists and became available in separate January's. Their two major midfield targets have fallen through due to one choosing Madrid, and not having the money available for the other. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the approach, but imagine we didn't replace Mane with Diaz, or we didn't go for Gakpo to replace Firmino. Liverpool had the best front 3 in world football for several years, and to not replace them would've created even more backlash than what is currently occurring from the fans.

Ridiculous to compare the paths taken by these coaches. One started with a winning team with a bottomless pocket and the other took a dead team with no budget. Come on man!

0:46 WTF is Brian going on about Roy Hodgson for? He'd left 5 years before Klopp became Liverpool manager? Clueless

Marvin, let me guess... Drogba didn't win the Ballon d'Or because he was black?

@danieljohnson9995

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely bang on always brings it back to that drogba didn’t win the ballon dor because he wasn’t the best player simple

@rohithraman6488

Жыл бұрын

@@danieljohnson9995 to be fair there wasn't any shame in that, he finished behind Kaka, Ronaldo and messi

Is Raineri a better manager than Klopp because Klopp spent way more, but they have the same amount of PL titles?

@MemphisGoar

Жыл бұрын

So where is renieri's UCL?

@funnyfuse3869

Жыл бұрын

If we use Liverpool fan logic, and klopp defender logic, yes.

@funnyfuse3869

Жыл бұрын

​@@MemphisGoar raineri is a better premier League manager than klopp, look at his team and budget. See how silly it is when we use the money argument.

@samkelorashuza5949

Жыл бұрын

​@@funnyfuse3869 Is he a better manager? Has Ranieri ever come close to another title or at least top 4?

@funnyfuse3869

Жыл бұрын

@@samkelorashuza5949 better premier League manager yes, overall no. Raineri has the same number of titles as klopp with a far inferior budget, team and wage bill. 5000/1. You see how silly it is? Pep is better than klopp, end of.

No one's talking about City's potential treble because no one cares about them doing it. Pep's greatest season at City was the domestic treble and it's never mentioned by anyone.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

nobody in your echo chamber.

@19KingCal95

Жыл бұрын

​@@ThomDull no one other than man city "fans" cares what man city does, it's all hollow, bought not earned.

@nichobee

Жыл бұрын

​@@ThomDull if ours is a chamber then yours is an air pocket

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@nichobee jeeez

@tonycaulfield7818

Жыл бұрын

Yet here you are talking about it how odd

Craig said take away the nuances... face palm

This conversation actually annoyed me because of the sheer stupidity of the two guys speaking against Brian, Klopp had spent less but FSG only lets him spend when they realise that the team is down to the barebones with players ageing or big time injuries etc whereas with Pep walked into to a star studded team and can ease players into his system a season before they even get game time and everyone he signs isn't a risk they're all players everyone knows is good, where Liverpool have to take more risks in the market and try find a diamond in the rough... both unbelievable managers and pep tactically is the best but I don't think he can get the best out of lower quality players and klopp can through motivation and the tactic he deploys because it stems off hard work

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Well when Pep came to City they where aging team. Ok, i agree that team was full of good players who won something. But when he came he didn't give a f*** who won what and who is who. He deployed his system and get rid of alot of players who were elite but weren't able to coupe with his management. And then he bring in some young unknown guns and done it his way. To do that it takes big cojones and to be genius.

@thetraveldrunk

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomDull lmao lay off the crack bro.

@TheBenj30

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomDull That's such bullshit - you're writing this as a narrative to purposely ignore the fact that Pep inherited a title winning a team and then was able to over time change out players with a gigantic budget - Klopp had to get a group which consisted of many average players and then use a significantly smaller budget to bring in players. Pretending that taking a team which won the title adding a billion and then them doing the exact same as being a genius is delusional as someone can be.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBenj30 this is so tiring. Even if Pep wins 5 CL in a row it would not change your mind even a mm. You will think that Klopp is better manager no matter what facts are saying bcs EVIL Pep have all the money in the world and poor and alone left in the rain Jurgen Twist did it against the all odds. Jfc grow up Liverpool have money, Liverpool bought players but he didn't get from them what he expected.

@TheBenj30

Жыл бұрын

​@@ThomDull You're arguing against your own opinion at this point. Firstly, Klopp didn't get out of his players want he expected? He took a team of average players, at a significantly smaller budget than Pep and then won every single possible trophy that was available to him - he took a player that people called a Chelsea reject and has made him a repeated golden boot winner, he took an academy right back and made him one of the best assisters in the league despite being a defender, he bought a left back for a few million and has arguably made him one of the best LB's in the history of the game. His players didn't work out - you haven't got a clue what you're talking about, don't get all whiney and salty and tell me to grow up because you can't make a legitimate point. As for the 5 Champions League in a row, what a stupid point - you're fabricating a scenario that is unheard of to justify your opinion of a manager that couldn't even win it once with over a billion spent on an already Premier League winning squad, you justify this poor performance in European football by creating this image in your head of a Pep who has won 5 UCL in a row when he couldn't even win one - how lost for legitimate arguments are you, where you have to justify his quality by pretending he won stuff with Man City that he didn't.

For once truegeordie is right. For example VVD AND ALISSON were bought with countinho money that cost Liverpool 3.5 mil.

@dejansokoloski7270

Жыл бұрын

exactly. Pep was never in this spot, i can't imagine someone saying ok you can get Ederson and Stones, just sell KDB

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Ok, well spent, And what about all other transfers after that? Except Diaz he will be good.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@dejansokoloski7270 I can't imagine Klopp letting go one of the best full backs on loan in the midle of the season to rival in CL, or saying to Yaya thank you legend but my way or highway, or Aguero or Sancho - bright engl talent. They all make hard decision but what come of it is what they are judge by.

@StillAwesome21

Жыл бұрын

How much did Kompany cost?

@violetwilson8481

Жыл бұрын

Did it come out last summer all that money has still not be paid to liverpool ,so they actually spend their own money on the promise of getting it back someday ,,point is net spend looks good on books and is something to beat others fans with but in reality Liverpool like all big club spend big

I think Pep is a greater tactician than Klopp but there's no better man-manager in football than Jurgen. Context matters in terms of achievement; yes, Liverpool spent 142 million on a keeper and a centre half but only because Coutinho. The argument that Liverpool have spent less is not that they haven't spent anything. The fact that Klopp has been able to consistently push and, at the time of writing, have a more varied trophy haul than Guardiola's City, is an achievement in itself. Regardless of who you think's better, it is undeniable that this is an era of a great Premier League rivalry. I mean, just look at the head 2 head.

@briceanderson9127

Жыл бұрын

how is he a better manager when his teams repeatedly burn out

@witness_64

Жыл бұрын

Ancelloti is the best man manager in football. Bayern is a blip in a long career, but looking at how he's turned camavinga into a left back and maintained the team together despite the league running and going deep into the champions league again, he's that guy

@superguy1230

Жыл бұрын

Give Pep the current Liverpool squad and he’ll definitely do better than what Klopp is doing right now.

@Yoyo-sy5kl

Жыл бұрын

​@Jorge Rivera-Mota Ancellotti didn't make the players play any better than they were. He just managed them as in played them in a more complementary way. Benzema, Moriches, Kroos, Vini were already at their heights before he came. He just made them work more cohesively.

@ethanmccarty3293

Жыл бұрын

@@superguy1230 give klopp any of peps ManC teams and arguably Bayern and he has a few more champions leagues to his name

Remember Brian Clough. Did it with Derby and Forest.

@StillAwesome21

Жыл бұрын

Different time lol, he also took Forest down and look at them now.

@Wickedpissah41

Жыл бұрын

​@@StillAwesome21 he also won back to back European cups and knocked Liverpool off their perch for a while

Switched off when Geordie said Phillips was 50m. He was 42m but as usual, he never does any research and lies to suit his narrative. It’s no wonder everyone’s ditched him.

@rohithraman6488

Жыл бұрын

if it was Klopp who signed him, he'd be saying he's 30m

Pep is the football genius! And Klopp is an incredible man manager

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Not so great this season.

@jterry742

7 ай бұрын

A genius with £2billon 😂

Pep’s Barca under investigation for paying refs, Pep’s city under investigation for financial doping…

@TheBeastwarz

Жыл бұрын

You're investigation is done for being a crying muppet. Verdict, guilty

@seanmorrissy7347

Жыл бұрын

So a dope 😭😭😭

@klosowskisiemens1407

Жыл бұрын

Your mother is under investigation for having sex with Pep 😂

@Luis-sz7ry

Жыл бұрын

Oh my

@Pabloess07

Жыл бұрын

😬

It's crazy we forget that Pep won the league playing without a regular striker and just did it after kicking both his LBs out... Pep is out of this world, take it or leave it. How many of you were rooting for Cancelo when Pep took him up. Journalists were writing about how Rodri was a failed Pep signing just two seasons ago. Pep refused to overpay for Sanchez, Maguire, Cucurella...

When they have the same budged go compare until then Klopp did more

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

based on what evidence?

What is this Arsenals fan’s problem with Klopp? I bet when it comes to Arteta, he gets over excited about Arteta’s ability and goes on and on about him. Klopp has achieved it all at LFC and on a fraction of the budget Pep has. Watch there be a Pep vs Arteta debate be done in a year or two and this Arsenal fan will back Arteta to the hilt when he’s nowhere near the levels of Kloppbor Pep.

@omaralkayal7598

Жыл бұрын

Arteta got 150M Klopp got 800M+

@ethanmccarty3293

Жыл бұрын

@@omaralkayal7598 klopp got 800 mil last summer ?? whaaaaaa

Guardiola has managed Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Man City... 3 of the easiest jobs in football management because of recourses and club prestige. Why does no one ever talk about this?

@jacknelson927

Жыл бұрын

U forgot to mention unlimited spending power huge bank account also ffp into hiding

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

This just ridiculous. Football is not basketball.

@jablanbukvovski

Жыл бұрын

Guardiola lost games in CL that any other high level manager would won with the teams he managed. He lost in CL with Bayern against Atletico Madrid and with City against Lyon and Chelsea, also with both teams he lost against Real, who destroyed his Bayern 4:0 in Munich

@StillAwesome21

Жыл бұрын

Barca was fourth before Pep came, that job was not easy. All he had was credit from his time in Barca B, wow so great!. Bayern job is easy, but they don't have unlimited cash. He only ever broke the bank at City. Context is important, but all you guys' argument is linked to big clubs and names. Mention that part too.

@jimmywalker8354

Жыл бұрын

what an absolutely stupid comment

When having this debate I always look at this way, if pep became lfc manager instead of klopp and had to work on the same budget starting with the same squad would he have done better or worse

@michaelcapper9019

Жыл бұрын

The same argument could be made the other way round too, just because you have all these resources doesn’t mean you can make the most of them. There are plenty of managers that make the step up in terms of player quality but can’t get the best out of them.

@NLGNATHAN

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelcapper9019 klopp would have done just fine with Billions.

@TheCollett93

Жыл бұрын

@Michael Capper and this is my point if the argument was reversed I can guarantee now klopp would have done just as good if not better than pep

@spinach-colour-joey6776

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelcapper9019 That's dumb, you're saying having less money makes your job easier - so why is Klopp asking for money now? Completely counter to logic

@michaelcapper9019

Жыл бұрын

@@spinach-colour-joey6776 no I’m saying just having more money doesn’t mean he would have done better is not always true. Yes he could have done more with more money but that’s not guaranteed.

To me personally what Klopp has done with that Liverpool side has been far more impressive than what Pep has done with City. I don't see how a team can be praised hailed so much with no European cup and massive let downs in said tournament. Imo give Klopp that budget and he's dominating no doubt in my mind

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

i disagree. You are talking about Livepool like it's a mediocre club without history of top premier league footballers.

@bats5972

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomDull I'm not sure how I'm saying that, all I'm referring to is what each manager has done

@rohithraman6488

Жыл бұрын

Graham Potter did a better job at Brighton than at Chelsea with lots of money, maybe Klopp is more suited to working at a club that needs a major rebuild

@bats5972

Жыл бұрын

@@rohithraman6488 tbf Liverpool is needing a bit of a rebuild again atm haha. He's definitely the man I'd back to get them on track again

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@bats5972 How can you prove what would Klopp win this or that amount of money? How is that measurable? If you are referring to what each manager have done based on evidence (trophys, wins, goals...) then you are reading things upside down. Pep has inspired many today's elite manager all over the world and England. He changed the way of playing football in the country.

No manager in history has had the resources Pep has had available to him at city. It’s not just money to spend on players, the entire organisation is primed for success with unlimited funds. And he still hasn’t won the champions league.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

United doesn't have resources, Chelsea doesn't have resources, Liverpool, Arsenal, Totenham. This is such a bullshit. City organisation is a well oiled machine and that is good thing not something you should point your finger and say "wtf is that how is that possible?".

@Jansk1h

Жыл бұрын

Exactly and that is a massive failure on Pep's part that people just fail to acknowledge.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@Jansk1h explain me logic behind this construction

@lil_zadeh6064

11 ай бұрын

Pep has 3 champions leagues

Pep has changed how football is played across the world. Split centr back and tiki taka and all that. He then came to England where everyone said you can't play like that in the Premier League and he did it. So much so that many clubs try to play like Pep's team. Not to mention that he manages the egos of this big players, which is a whole other thing. I think he does not get enough credit for it

@dangrifdhsbxjs8424

11 ай бұрын

He didn’t change football at all. He’s literally just copied and pasted everything he learned from Cruyff and used it with bigger and better teams and players. Pep is an egotistical little man who’s afraid of the slightest of criticism, hence why he’s stayed at City for so long to try and prove his critics wrong, which he still hasn’t. He will always be the most criticised manager in history, and deservedly so.

Tends to be when klopp hasn't got bedsheet money. Cannot listen to people around a table who have the football knowledge of an Ant.

The £400 million on forwards is a terrible lack of research for a football show. Salah £35 mil, Firmino £29 mil, Jota £41 mil, Gakpo £40 mil, Núñez £64 mil, Diaz £37.5 mil which is £246.5 mil since Firmino joined in 2015 so an average of £30 mil a season spent on a forward since the first of those was signed. Klopp has always managed on a budget, he hasn’t always got it spot on but when we make a costly mistake it takes a couple of years to put it right.

I mean... as the comments say. Klopp will always be the better manager. sure pep has won more trophies but look at how he's done it. he inherited the teams/money which if each season he slightly underperformed he could fix those problems easy. klopp has went into teams with limited money and broken teams and made them go onto win big and better things look at mainz. I think if pep went to leeds he would probably stress and quit after 2 seasons. Klopp when he has off seasons he's unlikely able to fix them in a window straight away. he has to take time and make enough money to fix the important problems

@tycarne7850

Жыл бұрын

In terms of Premier league achievements, Klopp is exactly as good a manager as Claudio Ranieri.

@matthewlaunchbury265

Жыл бұрын

@Ty Carne going by your logic most managers are like him because pep has been dominating the prem since he joined.

@matthewlaunchbury265

Жыл бұрын

That comparison means nothing

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Pep inherent aging team thta didn't won PL for two years. He sold most of them or incorporated in new system. When you talk about L'pool they are for decades in the top of PL league. You can't tell me that they were buying 2nd tier players for decades. So, L'pool had good players and good academy players for decades. This ridiculous argument that Pep should go to a "smaller" team prove himself is just bonkers.

@ashleycollins8988

Жыл бұрын

I'd like to know why Peps disciples Arteta Kompany Xabi Alonso Xavi can do a lot with less why can't Pep?

Those two guys in the middle are incredibly dense. Pep could never achieve what Klopp did, with the same resources. It's crazy how comfortable they are, to be that disrespectful.

@jimmyjamescomputers8585

Жыл бұрын

klopp is a small yes manager

@ob1slam

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmyjamescomputers8585 And yet he's accomplished more in 7 years, than you ever will in 10 life times.

@xphantom1177

Жыл бұрын

Klopp ain’t in pep level tho that’s a fact

@ob1slam

Жыл бұрын

@@xphantom1177 No, that's what you call an opinion.

Pep has been manager of the favorites to win the champions league 10 out of the last 11 seasons (back to Bayern days) and hasn’t won a single one. Then his team goes out and spends 100 mil every summer

@hiphopotamus69

Жыл бұрын

You see you are context to this discussion and people don’t like when you do that

It’s impossible to compare them. I personally am more impressed by Klopps jobb at Liverpool than Peps job at City, but both have done brilliantly. And btw, «400m in attackers» is horseshit. It’s about 200m spent over 8 years (Firmino in 2015, Salah in 2017, Jota in 2020, Diaz and Nunez in 2022 and Gakpo in 2023). The fact that Pep can make a 50m flop signing in Phillips with zero repercussions tells a lot.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Why is Phillips flop? Guy needs time like many others who came to City. Grealish was flop last season.

@MartinKul100

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomDull might not be a flop but 50 million quid for someone who obvs isn’t good enough to even get a sniff is a waste of money; for now.

Fergie beat Real Madrid with Aberdeen, don’t try and put Pep on his level hahaha

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

You are aware in those days only one team from each (UEFA) country could play in european cups?

Agree with True Geordie, it’s like F1, if you have the best car because of money you clearly have an advantage even if talent is equal. (Not to mention that money wrecked the league balance)

I love Marvin but he has a howler today

@jablanbukvovski

Жыл бұрын

he is one big howler

People saying Liverpool spent on van dijk and alisson like fsg gave him money. We sold Coutinho our best player at that time to get that money.

Klopp brought two clubs back to the top of European football from being in the dark

Marvin trying to drop yet another racial critique in, tell me when drogba ever deserved to win a balon dor ffs 🤦🏻‍♂️

Klopp is clear of Guardiola it’s not even a debate , pep did great at barca bcz of the players even then he had some questionable defeats there especially in UCL failed at Bayern & spent 1B in City to win the same things that managers like mancini won

Neither one is anywhere near finished. So the rivalry continues as far as I’m concerned 🤷🏽‍♂️ That being said, although I prefer Pep’s tactics. True Geordie’s point about Klopp doing more(or at least as much) with less does linger in the mind🤔

@demeoo

Жыл бұрын

De Zerbi is doing more at Brighton with less budget than Liverpool, and Chelsea... If that's what "lingers" in your mind.

@NotSoLonelyShinobi

Жыл бұрын

@@demeoo you know, I thought if I gave it some time I would cool off. However, I still want too linger on your jaw bone. A, Brighton are 7th what the fuck are you on about. B, yes the fact that has Klopp has accomplished just as much if not more, with a relatively significantly smaller budget is what lingers in my mind. Pep put forgiato’s on a Ferrari. While klopp refurbished a rusty 67 impala ss with no block, on bricks. It’s impressive 🤷🏽‍♂️

If Liverpool backed Klopp like how Pep is backed at City we’ll be witnessing something similar to prime Barca vs Prime Real😂

@Itz_Hawks

Жыл бұрын

It's Peps fault that Klopp plays a winger at RB who gets found out every time a competent winger goes against him

@TheChromeZebra

Жыл бұрын

@@Itz_Hawks Peps spent double Klopp, my brain tells me that extra cash/better players gets Liverpool over the line in most seasons.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@TheChromeZebra It doesn't work that way. you have numerous examples in PL right now. just look at the table. Arsenal is first and Chelsea is 11th. Who spent, what?

@ethanmccarty3293

Жыл бұрын

@@Itz_Hawks pep literally played Joao, a winger, at full back.

@Itz_Hawks

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanmccarty3293 and as you've seen joao is a more capable full back than Trent is, of those two one of them looks like a natural full back and the other doesn't.

Guy mentioned gerrard in the conversation of Messi

@thedunyadoneya2628

Жыл бұрын

And it also had no relevance, if anyone actually explored it. Gerrard won every trophy available to him, except the PL and he was on the verge of winning that 3 or 4 times anyway (slip season, with rafa, 2001).

If pep can win a European trophy with Aberdeen I’ll say he’s the best until then he can carry on spending 100s of millions to dope their way to trophies

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Pep beat SAF United twice.

Pep has had about 300 odd mil more in net spend than kloop at Liverpool. It's always helped by the fact Liverpool managed to sell Coutino for 140 mil and city always have to pay a premium to get any players. And then compare the squad right now. Liverpool needs a full rebuild where as City can go with this squad slowly rebuilding and winning at the same time.

Many managers go to the best clubs with the best players and still fail

@samkelorashuza5949

Жыл бұрын

Why do people keep saying this retarded opinion? You are tryng to make an argument that Pep Guardiola is the greatest but you are using points to argue he is a world class manager. Why? World class managers succeed with world class players but world class managers don't always get so many world class players as Guardiola

Players win Champions Leagues, systems AND players win you leagues.

These young arrogant fans should look up a former manager of Liverpool, Bob Paisley. The trophies he picked up in his time at the club, is staggering. Legend.

Why are these guys acting like Salah ,VVD , Allison etc where at their UCL and premier league winning form before joining Liverpool 💀

When performing analysis you need to look at the nuances. And due to those nuances the gap between Pep and Klopp is microscopic, no matter who you rate higher.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

It's 23 points. How is that microscopic?

@NLGNATHAN

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomDull what was it in UCL titles since joining there current teams?

@amolmehrotra1296

Жыл бұрын

Exactly if you can't have nuances what's the point of debating anything, everything is Black and white then. What a stupid thing to say.

Literally nobody is saying Pep isn't a true great. The facts are that Klopp has had to operate with smaller budgets than Pep and put up with teams poaching his best players. Pep can keep refreshing his side easily, he has unlimited funds FFS. Klopp has to make signings where he can. He's also not helped by players who are more injured than they are available.

Love this line up of hosts all pull points out but never agreeing on something after 🤣👌🏼

PEP is a GENIUS manager best in the world even klopp will say the same.

Glad i stopped watching this rubbish after last year. Someone needs to tell these guys that being louder or shouting doesn't make you right. Brian coming out with valid points. Give Pep & Klopp the same budget, Jurgen wins hands down

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

How can you know this? This is such a strange presumption

@imaadontheinternet1562

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomDull and its not like klopp hasn’t spent money, theyve spent a lot

@L_Kay

Жыл бұрын

Money... with the context that the pl is the richest league, Liverpool has spent just as much, and its a no brained pep is better than klopp. People love stories, but this Liverpool team has had like 3 good seasons, and the amount of success varies.

@joshallen1846

Жыл бұрын

You stopped watching yet here you are ..

@MrT0M666

Жыл бұрын

​@@L_KayLiverpool have spent nowhere near as much as man City

That guy with the bald head doesn’t have a clue about football; the statistics he was using about Nunez price etc were completely false

If Pep came to United instead of City after Alex Ferguson left, then I would put him as the best manager of all time. Yes, he would get resources, but United were (and arguably still) in a mess after Gill and AF left. Seeing Pep doing a rebuild instead of walking into a top-tier Man City team (which he has improved, tbf).

@hiphopotamus69

Жыл бұрын

Pep would have lasted 2 years max before he just got sick of dealing with the Glazers and left

Man said Klopp took over Hodgson's team who was sacked nearly 5 years before Klopp came in 😭

@hervekuma

Жыл бұрын

He’s obviously talking about the fact that he had remains of the hodgson era players still lingering about the club ya tool 😊

I use to love this show but now a lot of people come on here and make points without knowing what the situation was, Liverpool HAD to buy Gakpo, their forward line was massively injured after the world cup because Jota was still out Diaz was supposed to be back but got injured again in training, and Firmino got injured, leaving them with just Nunez and Salah as the only forwards which isn’t nearly enough considering they had to deal with those injuries up until about late February, if they don’t sign Gakpo it would be way worse than what it is now, plus Firmino was getting old and there was already a feeling he would leave in the summer so it was also good for them to revamp the forward line by adding Gakpo And again about the Pep Klopp debate, both are all time great managers, Pep has way more league titles than Klopp but rightfully so he’s been at the biggest clubs everywhere he’s worked at and has had a lot to work with, he came to city with Kdb, Toure, Aguero, Sterling, Kompany and a lot of other good players, Klopp came to Liverpool and the best player he had was a young Coutinho and he still made it work From 2018 when Klopp reached the UCL final he’s reached the final twice since then and only missed out of either a disastrous season like 20-21 ans 2022-23, and 1 shock defeat by Atletico, plus the two finals he lost were against 2 incredible madrid sides the one of 2018 with a prime Cristiano ronaldo and the comeback kings of 2022 with a ballon dor winning Benzema, Pep has just 1 final to his name since 2011 and it was against a good chelsea side, not great and he still couldn’t beat em, I think they’re equal and don’t really think one is way better than the other, but if any I give the edge to Klopp, it’s slight margins otherwise Klopp would have 3 league titles because 2019 and 2022 could have gone either way and we’d be having a very different conversation

Started on third base and gets excited when he hits a home run comes to mind. My guys, he's spent like a billion more than Klopp since 2012. Be serious.

@Slim-MMA

Жыл бұрын

Guardiola is the GOAT.

@wesleylang172

Жыл бұрын

​@@Slim-MMA he's a fantastic manager. But you can't deny he's walked into monster teams everywhere he's been.

@livingmaster1197

Жыл бұрын

man city squad when pep joines was old and only had a few good players and pep turned it around with smart young signings not big nnames and made them the best prem team in 2 seasons

@StillAwesome21

Жыл бұрын

@@wesleylang172 Barca was fourth before Pep came lol, what monster team? Busquets played in the B team and Pep managed Barca B, not exactly the biggest credentials. Pep made them world beaters. Only world team was Bayern. City was good, but he had to overhaul the squad a lot, remember he finished fourth or third his first season.

@wesleylang172

Жыл бұрын

​@@StillAwesome21 this is again crazy talk. The 2008/09 side was. Victor valdes Dani alves Abidal Puyol Pique Xavi Yaya t Iniesta Eto Messi MESSSSSSI Henry 2004 - 2nd 2005-1st 2006- 1st & CL 2007-2nd 2008- 3rd CL semi 2009 - Pep 1st and CL What part of this is not a dominant team?

That sir Alex slander is awful pep will never compare to fergie ever facts

That Marvin guy is embarrassing, klopps won more UCLs than in arsenals entire history 😂😂😂😂

Guardiola is the GOAT but Klopp doesn’t have the same budget as him at Liverpool so he’s far more likely to have off-seasons.

@jimmywalker8354

Жыл бұрын

yup Pep is the GOAT

@omaralkayal7598

Жыл бұрын

Budget? He spent a fucking 800 Million or something at Liverpool

@KevinDaGalera

Жыл бұрын

GOAT? Are you R Worded? There are at least 3 managers ahead of him

@Yoyo-sy5kl

Жыл бұрын

​@@KevinDaGalera Ancelloti, Zidane, Ferguson, Wenger. All of them are at least better than him/ have won more.

@KevinDaGalera

Жыл бұрын

@@Yoyo-sy5kl So true

Peps B team is a top 4 team, this comparison is ridiculous when city keep buying top players with oil money and Liverpool's owners can't spend the same way. Both managers are at the top of their game but when you buy all the best players its unfair to compare managers

Peps a serial winning manager - yet he’s still to win the European cup with his 1.2 billion squad

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that is what we called sport.

“How many forwards have Liverpool brought- they have brought 4 forward in the last 3 years” Man City literally signed 3 in the last year. That’s the difference.

People really forget what Pep did with that Barcelona team. Created arguably the greatest club team in the history of the game with the majority of the team coming from La Masia (where he was before taking the manager role) and he made them into monsters.

@Jansk1h

Жыл бұрын

He had prime Iniesta Xavi and Messi for fucks sake. He's always had the best squad in the league with unlimited budget. He hasn't built a thing, he's always come in to already established succesfull teams and then thrown millions on top to make them even more overpowered. He's the definition of a chequebook manager.

@AlphaPacino-fb3wz

Жыл бұрын

Iniesta was not in his prime when pep took over. Don't come with limited ball knowledge. Check his starting 11 at barca and tell me how much this 'chequebook manager' spent

@hiphopotamus69

Жыл бұрын

@@AlphaPacino-fb3wz he was like 2 years away from winning a world cup so I think that probably is close enough to his prime for most people

Idk where the narrative has come that liverpool haven’t spent money

@blackfrancis55

Жыл бұрын

...because that's not the narrative! Who the hell is saying they haven't spent money??? No one! The narrative is they have spent less money.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@blackfrancis55 Chelsea and United spent more then L'pool. What does that prove?

great video this is.Well Done

Kloop and pep isn’t really a rivalry but that’s not Kloops fault. If he’d had the same backing he’d have more trophies than pep

I cannot believe you guys trying to argue this. Pep is up there with the best of managers ever but klopp over him any day of the week. Yes Liverpool have spent money but klopp done it on a tighter budget to Pep and his challenged city for 4/5 years now and his taken them to 3 champions league final.

@funnyfuse3869

Жыл бұрын

Raineri did it on an even tighter budget, with a 5000/1 team.

Peps Barcelona: Cheats! Bribed refs! Peps Bayern: Farmers league, not difficult to win league with Bayern. Peps Man City: Cheats! Broke FFP rules over 100 times. What has Pep actually achieved?

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha....

@deancena

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomDull Don't think I didn't notice you avoided the question 😏

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@deancena Bcs it's trolling of highest order. And it's funny

got to say I am with Brian here, Man City can buy whatever they want. Pep was allowed to waste obscene amounts of money of defenders. Does anyone remember 2016 City were shocking and he had an insane squad he got obscene amounts of money and Klopp doesn't have the same funding and basically got points totals that would win the league in nearly every other season. History won't be kind to Klopp it's not his fault Klopp needs to go to a club that would give him the funds.

I think it'll be pretty much impossible for Pep overtake Sir Alex. He built an empire from a struggling club, he also beat Real Madrid in a European Cup final with Aberdeen and is still the last manager to win the league with a team that wasn't Rangers or Celtic.

@TRiXz_2K

Жыл бұрын

Not really the moment he overtakes the amount of trophies he’s the GOAT

@Manunido

Жыл бұрын

@@TRiXz_2K nothing pep has done can compare to what sir Alex single handily turned Man United into

@cheeseshit999

Жыл бұрын

Not the same real madrid

@olliedavies6815

Жыл бұрын

Oh give over, he managed the richest team in the country for the majority of his time there, exactly as pep does. And the state that Ferguson left united in was awful, he signed old players because he wanted a league before retiring, rather than leave the squad in a good place for the future.

@jimmywalker8354

Жыл бұрын

@@Manunido Pep schooled Fergie twice

Geordie saying winning doesn’t mean as much with money. I dont see that reflecting this season when they went from relegation threatened to CL qualification contenders.

klopp could easily of got jobs with bayern,madrid or united where he would of had a lot more money to spend and won a lot more trophies,,but those type of jobs/clubs dont appeal to him

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

How can you know this?

@NLGNATHAN

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomDull Hes literally said it

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@NLGNATHAN Well Klopp said that Pep is the best manager in the world. and not just him btw.

@NLGNATHAN

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomDull of course he would say that... he's not gonna come out and says I'm the best.

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

@@NLGNATHAN ok, you think he doesn't do it bcs he (Klopp) is humble or something, and he says Pep is the best why? Why doesn't he say that about Eddie Howe or idk someone else. Why Pep? Or why anyone?

One thing that gets confused is that Liverpool challenged 5 years, when it was 3 years in which they won one league title out of the 3 challenges.

@NLGNATHAN

Жыл бұрын

did they not get to ucl finals too? win other trophies?

Klopp even managed Dortmund to a domestic Double & Back to back league titles against a much superior Bayern Munich team

Pep goes to clubs where money is given in a plate. Klopp goes to clubs with financial constraints.

@calvinhicks1992

Жыл бұрын

@Kay Z He earned that with his ability. He came through the Barcelona coaching system and created the greatest club side seen. He has earned the right to have the like of big money Bayern and Manchester City chase him and offer him the bag 💰

@kayz1553

Жыл бұрын

@@calvinhicks1992 klopp could go those clubs as well, but he chooses not to.

@calvinhicks1992

Жыл бұрын

@@kayz1553 So each man makes his own decision.

@dragonflame99k34

Жыл бұрын

@@kayz1553 just isn’t true.Klopp never got offered big jobs such as Barcelona and Real Madrid 😂😂😂

@kayz1553

Жыл бұрын

@@dragonflame99k34 they would have taken him in a heartbeat.

Marvin all over the place on this one

Klopp hasnt had a team that abused financial fair play. Klopp has had to earn and create money through tournaments and player sales. Klopps been to 3 champions league finals, Peps been to 1. Klopp inherited a worse team. Klopps had less depth. Klopps spent half the money. When Klopps team is in a bad spot he has to carefully manoeuvre his way out, pep just signs a new handful of players and boom problem solved. Peps had luxuries that Klopp doesn't get.

Klopp achievement is definitely more impressive and I do think Pep has been fortunate with decisions at times to win some of the trophies he has won at City

@wessexmercia8201

11 ай бұрын

Pep has won a domestic treble, traditional treble and 3 premier leagues in a row but one covid title for Klopp and his achievement is better, get real man

Klopp took a team in 10th and had to rebuild it. He took Dortmund over when they were 13th and took them to back to back titles. He is the last manager to have won the Bundesliga who wasn't a Bayern manager. What he has done at Liverpool has been incredible. Liverpool are *9th* in the net spend table since he took over. Pep has constantly failed in the champions league at MC and it's not like they got knocked out by top teams besides Liverpool and RM. Monaco? Lyon? Spurs?!! When Pep rebuilds a mid table side and wins big trophies with them we can talk then about who is better.

Going by this season you have to give it to Pep. He has changed City's system to accomodate the changing squad, instead of making them do the exact same thing as before. Being adaptable is a key trait managers have to have to stay at the top otherwise they get found out. Klopp's failure to adapt his system for the changes his team went through in the Summer is a big reason why Liverpool dropped off so much this season.

@flow9a981

Жыл бұрын

How is he supposed to adapt when he has the worst midfield of the top 10(current pl placements).

@ifeanyiokonkwolevi7995

Жыл бұрын

Every season Pep keep coming up with different type of play and other learn, problem with Klopp is that he’s playing the same pattern since he came to England and teams have found him out. Good for him he’s learning from Pep, now Arnold is playing midfield role just like John stones, Cancelo and walker for Man City.

Guy in black is loudest again whilst being 100% wrong AND seemingly not even understanding the issues

Good to see TG getting a great squad together again

Pep beat 2 of sir Alex's best Manchester teams in 2 finals for the champions league so yeah....

@ant9925

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Pep didn't build those teams though. He inherited the team. Massive difference.

@ElWrighto

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2009 yes but 2011 we didnt have Ronaldo or tevez and alot of our leaders were aging

@StillAwesome21

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@@ant9925 Barce finished fourth, Busquets was in the B team. What manager doesn't inherit a team? What is supposed to do? Not play them, like what is that dumb argument, every manager inherits a team and Pep made his world beaters.

@StillAwesome21

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@@ElWrighto They won in 2008, how much aging happened in 1 to 3 years?

@ElWrighto

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@@StillAwesome21 2011 was the team i was talking about van der sar scholes Neville retired that year, vidic ferdinand and carrick now in their early thirties not to mention giggs pushing 40 playing games. A lesser team all round mostly

Having unlimited money makes Pep’s job so much easier. Like City basically spent 42 million on Phillips just so other prem teams couldn’t have him 😂

400m on the forwards? In the last 5yrs itself LFC has an average transfer of €290m and your club spent €600m 😂😂😂

So if u look it like that SAF VS WENGER never was a thing tho cs SAF has 13 PL-s and wenger has only 3

@ThomDull

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. How should we measure how is better? Well let's try accolades for example trophy's, record breaking things, influence on football zeitgeist... and such.