I really enjoyed this conversation with Garry. Here's the outline: 0:00 - Introduction 1:33 - Love of winning and hatred of losing 4:54 - Psychological elements 9:03 - Favorite games 16:48 - Magnus Carlsen 23:06 - IBM Deep Blue 37:39 - Morality 38:59 - Autonomous vehicles 42:03 - Fall of the Soviet Union 45:50 - Putin 52:25 - Life

@godblessamerica793

4 жыл бұрын

If a human evolves to understand everything about our existence, scientifically and emotionally, then he/she knows how to play the game (power vs survival), without letting their emotions take control. One's past memories can manipulate one's present thinking, that affects one's ability to focus on a particular task(s). I think, when a machine is capable of expressing emotions, it could be the downfall of the human race. Because we as humans, tend to use our emotions as a tool for seduction (control) and/or isolation (superiority). An open mind, in my opinion, is one that keeps emotions from being created for personal gains. Collective intelligence, is the key to progress. That, to me, is the definition of winning the game of life...

@zhongzhongclock

4 жыл бұрын

@@tunestar I remember he said AlphaZero comes from the game's most principal rules without any restrictions, just like himself. He doesn't want to comment himself.

@colouredlaundry1165

4 жыл бұрын

Great conversation and always great questions. Thank you Lex and Garry.

@zhongzhongclock

4 жыл бұрын

@@tunestar I love this ego, because I also has similar ego for myself. Hahahaha!

@dfmiv649

4 жыл бұрын

Dude, can we just like trade places? I live in a litter strewn flat in the south of the UK, basically with a smartphone for company. Lots of interesting crap on the floor, if you can engage with such stuff.. Appealsaballs?

`Fear of mistakes guarantees mistakes` - Garry Kasparov

@JaapVersteegh

4 жыл бұрын

@DM Blackgvard Hesitation and "Fear of Mistakes" are certainly not the same thing. A fear of mistakes is almost certainly a mistake, but hesitation may certainly be a winning move imho. Maybe not in chess.. I'm not a chess player ;)

@xXxserenityxXx

4 жыл бұрын

Time isn't time without notice. Yeah, anyone can talk nonsense.

@javierespinoza686

4 жыл бұрын

one cannot not making mistakes...

@EnnoMaffen

3 жыл бұрын

What a vapid thing to say. One of those things that seem smart at first glance, but when you begin to even scratch the surface it disintegrates into a cloud of utter meaninglessness. And I'm pretty sure Kasparov would agree.

@vibovitold

3 жыл бұрын

True. Not fearing mistakes also guarantees mistakes, though.

"The match in 1997 wasn't the first match I lost against a computer, it was the first match I lost, period." Holy shit, this really highlights just how freaking dominant he was in his career, I mean, just WOW! What a legend!!

@sudarshangopinathan5904

3 жыл бұрын

Not really, he lost multiple times before to even Karpov and Ivanchuk

@Pawn-Sac

3 жыл бұрын

@@sudarshangopinathan5904 We're talking matches, not games. Forgive me if I believe Kasparov over you.

@tistelnilsson

Жыл бұрын

@@sudarshangopinathan5904 Sounds like you failed to understand the interview. One can lose to a better player, or lose due to own mistakes. Losing to a better opponent may very well be the first time for him, but not his first loss.

@galaxywz

Жыл бұрын

@@tistelnilsson that’s not the point, he lost individual GAMES to people but never a match, which is a series

@bentolontevo7533

Жыл бұрын

he lost against Bobby Fisher folks.

Lex has not failed to bring in EXCEPTIONAL guests. Keep it up!

@stevenrogersfineart4224

3 жыл бұрын

No joke.

@soodless4159

3 жыл бұрын

Whats more impressive is his ability to interview excellent guests and get as much as he can out of them.

@nft3

11 ай бұрын

"While it's true that Kasparov is almost as good at playing chess as my iPhone, he is otherwise an idiot," - Elon Musk Couldn't agree more. Stopped liking Kasparov when he started spreading obvious fake news about WikiLeaks around 2016.

@mainlymusicman

4 ай бұрын

this guy is an idiot

As an Englishman, I was constantly entertained with his English pronunciation of “you know”

Speaking on Caruana: "Fifteen years ago I would have crushed him." Gotta love Kasparov.

@canibanoglu9643

3 жыл бұрын

He'll always have that killer instinct I guess :D

@digital_gravity

3 жыл бұрын

He's not wrong.

@FrogSkull

3 жыл бұрын

It is true that he got winning position after winning position in that match, but kept blundering in the endgame.

@digital_gravity

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrogSkull Time pressure. Gary is just slower in his old age. Happens to all the great players.

@Myrslokstok

3 жыл бұрын

Caruana is a briliant player.

You know it's 2020 when two russians are having a chat in english

@andrejm77

3 жыл бұрын

Those two are obviously soviet spies!

@naimulhaq9626

3 жыл бұрын

So does the presidents of France and Germany. Soon they will speak in Chinese, like an ex-Australian president.

@Uppernorwood976

3 жыл бұрын

In the 19th century aristocratic Russians spoke French to each other

@AG-ig8uf

3 жыл бұрын

Tbf, neither of them is ethnically russian

@colin7242

3 жыл бұрын

@@NaumRusomarov Why is it unfortunate? Far more people understand English, it's not like they're losing their language lol

I think it's pretty cool Kasparov knows what DOTA is.

@leoSaunders

3 жыл бұрын

26:16

@ismailb4334

3 жыл бұрын

He is a very open guy. Enjoys many things and he is a very social dude, he is also a great speaker. Current chess players are great in playing chess, but are extremelly boring to listen to.

@stepan5455

3 жыл бұрын

Also it’s huge in Russia (relative to other competitive e-sports outside of CS:GO)

@ozonejgs2887

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it was genuinely (and surprisingly) awe-inspiring to hear him say Dota. One of my idols in Chess recognising this other related but distant topic that I am also really involved in

@andreidanilov9925

3 жыл бұрын

@@ismailb4334 have you ever heard Magnus during his interviews? He’s funny as hell

to me, joe rogan is about entertainment, and lex is about pure well-intentioned, good-hearted curiosity. i love it.

@dead_unicorn6074

2 жыл бұрын

Then DTFH is about spirituality

@mmcmann9539

Жыл бұрын

Lex isn’t trying to teach the experts. Lol

@germanrud9904

Жыл бұрын

Except when you mention da joose, then good intentions go out the window

@SolarJakee

Жыл бұрын

To me, Rogan is about getting to know the person and Lex is about getting to know the ideas.

@xj0ex39

6 ай бұрын

Do you still have the same opinion with modern JRE?

Things I love about these podcasts is the consistent design and thought given to the podcast structure and thoughtful questions. Really nailing it.

Lex you are killing ittt!!!, the calibre of the guests alone is enough to keep bringing me back but more so, you successfuly get most of your guests to a very honest and comfortable position to speak from which allows for these brilliant, natural convos. Thanks for the great content

@ecommasters3847

4 жыл бұрын

Charlie Bee this content feels like it is what the world needs. Thanks Lex

Lex "Forgive me for Romanticizing the Notion" Fridman

@tiagomota4734

3 жыл бұрын

ro?

@Andrei118

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiagomota4734 si

@npacebg

3 жыл бұрын

Andre "Lex Fridman's fashion advisor" Munteanu

@MORErings

3 жыл бұрын

Lex lingering on that idea fridman

@notnoaintno5134

2 жыл бұрын

Lex "what is the meaning of love" Fridman

"machines will always beat humans at closed-system type problems or games. They don't have to solve them, they just have to make fewer mistakes"

@tbomber

4 жыл бұрын

wish Lex had followed up by asking, "is the universe a closed system?"

@santishorts

4 жыл бұрын

@ladiesman217 # How do you know it's not? There is a finite amount of it. There are rules (physics) that define its boundaries. And that we know of, we can't transfer mass or energy from our universe, to someplace out of it. Just because it's a complex system with huge amount of variables, doesn't mean it's not closed.

@santishorts

4 жыл бұрын

@ladiesman217 # Care to elaborate?

@Deebomc

4 жыл бұрын

@@santishorts I think he's making a semantic distinction between "universe" and "multiverse", first off; the |idea of a "multiververse"|, itself, being a derivative which is implicit of a fundamentally quantum mechanical conception of |the question of|: "what 'is' is", second off.

@Deebomc

4 жыл бұрын

@ladiesman217 # 618>217 😆

This man has more energy than most people 1/4 his age. Thank you Mr Kasperov.

Lex "I do what I can" Fridman.. excellent, two passionate people, gotta love the both of you

There were quite a few gems in this conversation (eg. we have to switch from the mindset that there is a competition between humans and machines, to the mindset that machines are the best tool for solving closed-system type of problems), but, if I had to choose my favorite one, it would be Gary's message that, in the end, what drives us all is the desire to make a difference. 😊

I love the fact that the whole football conversation started as an example how impossible it's to argue who's the best, and it immediately evolved into an arguement who's the best.

@mandm7878

Жыл бұрын

It's Messi.

@naazahs9045

10 ай бұрын

Timestamp

Oh man between this and Lenny Susskind you are really getting on some good guests. My all time favorite chess player this man is a genius! Thank you!

@RB-jz1rr

4 жыл бұрын

@@bauisadatiki2213 Care to elaborate? :)

Found you from your interview with Coffeezilla and so excited to see you'd interviewed Kasparov!!! Perfect to listen to after reading Deep Thinking

this is incredible.. you really have the best podcast and the best guests.. keep it up

Lex , all I got to say is thank you. Really respect what you do and its adding tremendous value to humanity, when alone on that run in the morning with the pleasant breeze thinking about life I want to you to know that you are playing the great part in evolution of so many people by elevating their thought process.

One of my favorite Lex interviews, hands down. Garry is so inspiring. Спасибо!

Kasparov is such an intriguing person.When he speaks he doesnt waste a word.So efficient in explaining his thought

@germanchris4440

Жыл бұрын

I can't imagine a more satanic "person" (man, actually).

What a mind-blowing starting question which segues into an awesome conversation!

Just wow, you really got his temper on fire! The first move brilliantly chosen. Fascinating to witness this interview.

This interview was awesome. Gary Kasparov is so smart and the answers shows that ... Thanks Lex for inviting him and creating another very different and very good interview job!

I got a pleasure to attend Garry Kasparov's lecture in Toronto, Canada and now I can recall it. Thank you very much for great job as always Lex.

I remember seeing that article in the news about deep blue defeating the world chess champion. The article inspired me to pickup a book and to pickup a book on how computers play chess and I learned about the minMax algorithm which is the way Stockfish still uses to calculate chess moves(some modification of it). To me Garry Kasparov was the inspiration for me to go into machine learning and study computer science and it was the first time I developed an interest in chess. Thank you Garry!

This needs a part II

Very interesting interview - many thanks Lex- becoming a big fan of you and also Kasparov who I have annotated many games of. I think Kasparov is right about closed vs open systems. With a restricted rule set, computers can generally have the right sort of calculations and end up playing with less mistakes than humans. So the concept of more open systems where there pre-determined algorithms may not be effective is really interesting point made by Kasparov. I am also currently annotating many games on my channel of the open-source successor of Alpha-zero - the Leela lc0 project. Maybe you have heard of it. lc0 recently won the prestigious TCEC computer chess event - beating Stockfish by a big margin. The games are pretty fascinating to me. The neural network approach to chess seems to create a very different style of play, and it seems quite interesting new middlegame concept themes have been emerging such as "thorn pawns". It seems Leela (lc0) is playing a very positional long term strategy compared to more traditional AB engines. Currently this division in the chessworld between the traditional AB engines and Neural Networks is really spicing up the engine chess tournaments. Cheers, K

@aliciabaumgartner1406

3 жыл бұрын

Always love to see youtubers I enjoy unexpectedly appearing in the same space. Fan of your work KC!

@indoor_gangster

2 жыл бұрын

@@aliciabaumgartner1406 nice! 🤙

@garrettclayton4741

Жыл бұрын

Been watching your videos for over a decade! Cheers from the IS mate, you’re great.

@TheMaestromMephisto

6 ай бұрын

Where did you go?, don't see your streams

It’s heartbreaking that a man of such great caliber and accomplishment is today living away from his mother just because of the influence he carries and the political stance he holds

@imnotsmartbutimdumb

11 ай бұрын

Yes it's sad how much some of these lefties have gone completely insane. Covid has exacerbated that problem 100 fold.

@jebespolitiko

9 ай бұрын

Pushing le figurine left and right doesn't make one an expert on life, universe and everything.

@mainlymusicman

4 ай бұрын

im sure his mother is better off without him

Thank you for asking him those questions in the way you did. I hope it allows people to see the opinion of others they might look up to.

Lex, you are one of the most clever sience enterviewer I've ever seen untill now. With your questions, always really streight to the point, you really hit the core argumernt. always.. well done ++

George Hotz, Kai-Fu Lee, Elon Musk, Michio Kaku, Garry Kasparov, etc. Damn o_O - what amazing guests you always have !

@aakksshhaayy

3 жыл бұрын

Who is michio kaku? Some fake TV scientist

I am incredibly impressed with this channel and the guests you have been able to get. I was so excited to see you got the legend Garry Kasparov on here! Well done.

Garry for me is the greatest of all time. He is a true genius. OK he made some mistakes, but not many and don't forget when he lost the second match against Deep blue, he wasn't playing one man or woman, but a team and a machine, who knew all his moves, all his openings, all his middle and end game strategies. Garry was not allowed to see Deep blues matches on the run up to the matches so couldn't study it in the same way, and he did win the first match. I think if Garry was at his peak today, the likes of Carlsen, MVL, Dubov, Nakamura etc... Would struggle to beat him. He was that good.

@eliaframsgimp9618

10 ай бұрын

Further, after the first win, there was one loss and all draws until the last game. The only reason he lost that last game was because he played a bad move to try to force the computer out of its book. If he played his natural game it could've easily been another draw.

That was a wonderful interview. Thank you!

Of the interviews I watched on your channel this one is my prefered one. By the way I prefer the 1 hour format over the longer ones.

It's really a pleasure watching lex ask questions he speaks so elegantly!! Mr Kasparov also answered very calmly

He covered all the topics so well that we don’t even need a second vid.

I like the fact that Lex Fridman clearly preps a lot of notes and wants to pursue specific points in a podcast interview. The free-form thing can be good too but I gotta say it is good to see a slightly more structured approach too.

Great interview -- short, info packed, and answered most of my questions.

Really interesting. Great how this conversation puts things into perspective. Great work Lex, keep it going!

I've had the opportunity to meet Garry once, an amazing person.

I learned more about AI from this interview than listening to any of the so-called experts. I am amazed at his brilliance on a variety of topics. Thank you Lex. Have him back again real soon. I want to know if he is an atheist or an agnostic.

That was a lovely talk, I enjoyed every minute of it. Thank you, Lex!

so many elegant philosophical proverbs and insight to walk away with in this interview. simply fantastic!

The amount of knowledge and well rounded unique individuals lex has on his podcast brings so much wealth to the podcast industry. He is in my top 3 Thanks Lex

This was totally awesome. !Thanks Lex . There is a you tube video somewhere of Garry playing a chess simul in France . He won all 25 games ! This is classic OG chess content that I always highly recommend, it encompasses the life of a super chess GM back in the day before Queens gambit. Go Garry !

How! I could listen to Garry all day. Amazing conversation Alex!

Thanks, one of my favorite interviews of yours!

This is such a great interview. Thanks Lex.

OMG! Garry Kasparov on Lex Fridman, what an exciting episode we're witnessing!

It's always nice listen to the conversation of smart people. Thank you.

Superb interview! Kasparov is phenomenal, so many take aways.

I noticed Garry pronounces the phrase “you know” with a British English accent, I don’t know why but I find this super funny everytime I hear it once I noticed 😂

@HowieStephens

11 ай бұрын

Haha I was noticing that too, also with "so" and some other words. Interesting amalgamation of Russian and English accents

@zetristan4525

8 ай бұрын

It's a Nigel short in his brain circuits

Hearing Kasparov say DOTA, is something I never thought I would hear! Epic.

that 960 tournament was awesome. Kasparov's still got it. that was the most excited ive been about a chess tournament in a long time.

great interview thanks I recall the Kasparov-Karpov wars- what an era that was. thanks for this

How in the world did you get Garry Kasparov on the show? Could you please share the backstory of what strings you pulled there? That alone is an outstanding accomplishment.

@KerryFairbanks

Жыл бұрын

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@Michael-vf2mw

Жыл бұрын

@@KerryFairbanks Haha, actually probably it is almost that simple.

One of great thinkers of our time

@user-te7rf8ik7z

Жыл бұрын

And Garry Kasparov)

@lookatdesigns8282

Жыл бұрын

@@user-te7rf8ik7z don't do Gary like that🤣

@nft3

11 ай бұрын

"While it's true that Kasparov is almost as good at playing chess as my iPhone, he is otherwise an idiot," - Elon Musk And I couldn't agree more. Stopped liking Kasparov when he started spreading obvious fake news about WikiLeaks around 2016.

one thing that makes the difference in leaders such as Kasparov is their strong determination and focus on keep it until reaching their goals, that's a characteristic of good project managers as well

Totally inspiring listening to the way Kasparov explains his points

Thank you for turning me on to Chess. I am a beginner but I can feel my brain working. Its an amazing feeling. I’ll leave it at that for Chess. The books your podcast is introducing to me is incredible. You are making s difference in a middle aged man’s life.

What a conversation? Absolutely fantastic. Thanks Lex for bringing him in your podcast :)

Well, this was wonderfull. My first chess book was of Gasparov and it was lovely to me. He is a live legend do the chess world. Thank you all for this great podcast!

Revisiting this in 2022 I wish this conversation did last longer than it did. Gary class A1 gentlemen and Fridman as well. Cheers!

14:30 in Sweeden we had a extrordinary downhill skier Ingmar Stenmark, who used to say: - as moore I train the moore "luck" I seem to have.

I would make a small adjustment to something Kasparov said: It's not about the rules, it's about hidden information. If a game has hidden information, humans will generally be superior at it to computers. It's why poker bots are garbage.

Fantastic interview! Thank you.

Very well spoken. Kasparov's insight on computers was highly intriguing!

Damn! Gary has such intuitive understanding of the nature of AI even without being a researcher, and also about most things in general, what a genius.

@McRingil

4 жыл бұрын

@@bauisadatiki2213 where is he wrong

@thesuperiorman537

4 жыл бұрын

@ensayofr wrong on what?

Haha, Garry reminds me so much of my Armenian dad, the expressions, volume and drama when talking :)

@adoberoots

Жыл бұрын

Right? You can tell he is Armenian by watching him speak for about 2 seconds haha

@withstyle9216

Жыл бұрын

I thinka many armenians have big energy

this video was very interesting as a case study of personality's, Fields and generational thinking. so much to unpack.

Thanks very much Lex - What a Brilliant interview! What a pleasure to experience TWO Masters.

What this guy says its so interesting. This has been my favorite guest so far. This guy is so likeble😁

it would be great to have 2nd round with him now

Thank you. Kasparov is not only smart but a wise person. What a delightful interview. My best part was when you went “wow” upon learning that Kasparov’s loss to Deep Blue was also his first loss. I just read some of the comments and I can see how rich the content of this podcast is; just about anything Kasparov is saying one needs to commit to memory.

45:00 and just like that I absolutely fell in love with this guy! Thank you!

I love how he refers to his past self as another person.

@tesseracta4728

4 жыл бұрын

In our pasts, we were different people. If you were to bring the past self and the present self together and have them look each other in the eyes, tell each other what they're doing right and wrong, then continue their individual journeys to look at how they evolve separately, they will behave quite differently compared to their pasts based upon what they have seen and told. Any encounter towards the past/future self would have a highly reflective effect any one person. If anyone ever asks for an example, you probably don't even need a real life one; just look at Scrooge in A Christmas Carol.

@dearestbrotherchroma

3 жыл бұрын

Tesseract A both of you should look into Episodic vs. Diachronic memories.

@billyelliot4141

3 жыл бұрын

The longest living cell in the human body is 7 years. So every 7 years u have a new body. If u are 49 you are on your 7th body.

1:54 Gary's infectious laugh never changes and never ceases to amuse me.

@mohameds3354

4 жыл бұрын

41:57

This interview was awesome! Very short but awesome! Thanks!

Another excellent interview...thanks so much.

I just wanted to sincerely say: thank you Garry and thank you Lex.

@andrewbrown6307

Жыл бұрын

fucking welcum

I've never seen so much character development in 55 minutes. The Despicable Me series is truly amazing.

Two very intelligent people exchanging ideas. How great is to have this podcast available.

Mr Friedman this interview in particular is one of the best so far not only for having a humble and graceful genius but also because he gives the free world in a moment of blindness a real an honest answer of what socialism its all about. America needs to hear this keep it up Kasparov you a bigger Champion today God bless you

Thank you for the amazing, high quality content Lex! I can't understand how can someone dislike content like this...

@neagumatei8565

4 жыл бұрын

At least for this video, it's a simple answer. 46 Putin trolls watched it.

@maksa83

4 жыл бұрын

​@@neagumatei8565 criteria for truth is practice. Putin is still withstanding not only that mediocre western puppet Kasparov and a hundred of others (with all due respect to his chess-mastery), but successfully withstanding the collective West. Try to listen to Putin's speech in Munich 2007 with bias aside. Look at the world we live in today.

wow thank you for having him as a guest!!!!!!!!!!!! i love you man. love the book how life imitates chess

Gary's personality has mellowed as he was so focused playing chess, he seems happy. Great interview.

"I can fight every opponent but not my biological clock". - Garry Kasparov

One of the very few interviews that shows Kasparov as a brilliant intellectual rather than an a below-average politician.

@shellrox2878

4 жыл бұрын

jcims Below-average political systems attract below-average politicians. The optimal case is to create a system such that a political structure would attract highly intellectual people, making them locally average. But that would not happen, because most of the current structure is based on endless lies and manipulation.

@shellrox2878

4 жыл бұрын

jcims Below-average political systems attract below-average politicians. The optimal case is to create a system such that a political structure would attract highly intellectual people, making them locally average. But that would not happen, because most of the current structure is based on endless lies and manipulation.

@abigaila1361

3 жыл бұрын

@@sashazxtt Dear god

@tima7756

3 жыл бұрын

@@sashazxtt lol hoax? This has to be the dumbest conservative talking point. Bro there is so much direct, tangible evidence that arguing with anyone that says otherwise is a complete waste of time because they're most likely just assholes.

@michaelh878

3 жыл бұрын

@@tima7756 There's none. Trump has done so much to piss off Russia. Hes occupying parts of Syria. He has plotted multiple coups in Venezuala and Bolivia. He assassinated Suleimani. None of these things would happen if he was a Putin puppet.

What a great interview! Lex seems to bring out the best in Garry.

Very nice work, and best of luck to Mr. Kasparov in his endeavors.

he has a russian accent until he says "you know"

@benwinstanleymusic

3 жыл бұрын

ya noew

@YankeeDoodleDandy

3 жыл бұрын

His accent sounds like British English to me.

@gmooney77

3 жыл бұрын

@@YankeeDoodleDandy I thought the same thing, before I saw your comment as well. I don't know a lot about this guy but I'm assuming he learned English from the Brits, if he didn't speak if growing up.

21:30 Messi now is a world champion 😂

Great Interview!! Couldn't really understand what Kasparov said to the Deep Blue issue. "It was not the first time I lost against a machine, it was the first time I lost ???"

I'm sure I could find out with some research but I really don't care but my favorite thing about Lex's podcast is that he doesn't push his political, religious, ect.ect. views. Always just asking questions looking for meaningful answers to the topic of conversation. His thirst for knowledge is what makes this a great podcast. I haven't seen a guest yet that didn't seem to greatly appreciate this and just enjoyed the fact seeking conversation. Keep up the great work sir!

"Machines will always beat humans in closed systems" - insightful comment by Garry Kasparov. The way he reacts to the question of his loss against deep blue you can see he still hurts from that loss!

Love your podcasts but dude your introductions sounds like you are talking about someone who died.

@CarlosLopez-ch6bu

3 жыл бұрын

He kills them as soon as the camera cuts

@Arcticwhir

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I always skip the intros, seems waayy too serious

@meylaul5007

3 жыл бұрын

you guys have vivid fantasies...

@prundonmcavoy7155

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha. He is a man possessed with gravitas.

@BURDYMAN777

3 жыл бұрын

Its called formality. Maybe