I personally think before you settle on the heat, try disc mania essence, neo and especially the zen Nate Perkins signature essence. 8/6/-2/1

@mikec1571

Жыл бұрын

I agree try the new disc mania zen 2!

@Falascoa

Жыл бұрын

@@mikec1571 I am going to, just as soon as possible. I'm excited for that meta plastic.

@donkarnage6032

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. The Zen Essense kicked the Heat out of my bag.

@jacobcolon5295

Жыл бұрын

champ roadrunner? they fly dumb far

@truce11

Жыл бұрын

Yes plzzx the new Meta Zen II !!!!

IMO lots of people call Rivers flippier than a -1 because they're throwing them at like 11 speed lol. The turn rating assumes you're throwing them at rated speed! It's a 7, of course it will flip if you throw it 60mph! I also thought it was weird you threw both River and Heat at such high hyzers, they're definitely designed to be thrown flat to maximize the glide, and they're both extremely stable and will just fly like lazer beams unless you put way too much speed on them (in which case just throw with a tiny hyzer angle so they flip up). Very easy to get 375ft out of River without going more than 6 feet off the ground, in a straight line. Also opto River is not dome-y at all, super flat (for 7 glide), super grippy. (opto River is my favorite disc of maybe 70 or so molds I've owned, and I always bag TWO of them in case I lose one)

Try the Latitude 64 Maul! Mold is based of the River just a little more understable 7/7/-2/1

Innova Roadrunner is my choice for that slot. Or a flat top Gstar Leopard (changed my life in the woods) if I want to throw it softer and still flip. TSA Mantra is great too but was flippy for me.

@jpwgenius

Жыл бұрын

RR all day

i got an Axiom Rhythm (7,5,-2,1) in a player pack this summer and absolutely loved it! out of the box it is very stable but as it broke in, it quickly became my favorite disc for backhand turnovers and hyzer flips. i highly recommend

Love the Heat! I bag a Cryztal Flx one personally. Definitely would recommend. The Cryztal Flx plastic is probably my favorite discraft plastic in terms of how it feels in the hand.

I LOVE the heat. It is such a money fairway! Super good for glidy slow turn hyzers. My favorite part about the heat is the lump, or "micro bead" it has on the bottom near the inner rim. It makes it feel really nice in the hand.

@brianhandwork9762

Жыл бұрын

The Scorch is exactly the same rim just wider. Flys like an innova beast imo

I love my Opto River. It's dead straight for me when thrown flat. Of course, a good drive for me is 275-280 feet, So I am not getting the torque into the disc like longer throwers do.

Esp heat is amazing for forehand hyzer shots in the woods when you’re up against something and can’t throw backhand but have to get around a corner. The disc will keep floating on that hyzer line around the corners without dumping. Definitely a good utility disc.

@southtoe3607

10 ай бұрын

a man of culture

I love my Opto River. I made that triple mando at Winthrop with it. Went to Charlotte last January to get away from Minnesota but had to make the 45 minute drive to go play the USDGC course.

I found a pink Z money-stamped Heat with no ink on it in my local course, it's been in my bag since I couldn't find an owner. love it, replaced my Axiom Virus

Totally agree with your thoughts in this vid! I use my ESP Heat exclusively for rollers or crazy hyzer flips, but I’ve never tried any Crystal varieties.

@bmxallday4life

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I have a crystal avenger ss and it will not flip at all.

@southtoe3607

Жыл бұрын

The 2022 Ledgestone Sparkle Heat is way less flippy. 9/6/-1/1

Your videos are great! What kind of camera do you use? The discs are really easy to see when you throw them. Great stuff!!

As a lower arm speed player I love the heat, been bagging the cryztal one from 2021 which provides a nice bit of fade at the end. The esp ones are great for hyzer flips and big turnovers even for us noodle arms.

The Heat is a great disc. But after a year I finally found a replacement for my River slot -- the Axiom Crave. Essentially, a River that doesn't turn and burn. Both Plasma and Fission have the straightness I need for woods and can take the torque of a full forehand.

*"tooling" under the rim? Do you mean the disc name, company, made in, embossed, with brail-like dots? I like that. When you grab the disc in those spots, they give you a place with more grip - less likely to slip out of your hand early. Although Discraft are a roll of the die when it comes to true to numbers, this is one feature that I really like about Discraft, and wish others would do it too.

I've thrown several Heats over the years and still bag 2 in my Grip bags. I'd like to recommend that you throw the disc flat and hard and it should go dead straight. Z FLX for less stable shots and Metallic Z or Cryztal Sparkle for straight shots. You could possibly make a part II using this feedback . Great video, keep'em coming.

So now every time you throw a roller I feel obliged to comment! Loving that you're getting after it

I remember that old Heat you used to bag. That one bombed in Utah 💪

I bag both an ESP Heat and a Z Line Heat. Love them both. If you like the Heat, consider also checking out the TSA Mantra in Aura plastic. Pretty similar numbers with slightly less turn. I feel like that one more closely resembles a River.

@ScroDiddly

Жыл бұрын

I wanna try more of those TSA discs. I love my votum. Dope graphics too.

MY MAN! favorite disc of all time

I bag both the River and the Heat. Both excellent for lower power arms. Prob even good for longer arms, with the right touch. I find the River super easy to turn over when I power it up. The Heat, for me, stays straighter, longer. I mean, it turns, but it's has enough stability to come back with fade. Same power on the River results in a long turnover shot. Def handy in certain situations. I gotta power the River down significantly to get that long straight line. Might just be the runs I have of each, but the River flies more like what the numbers claim on the Heat, and vice versa. Gotta get my River on a lot of Hyzer to flip up and glide straight. My Heat can be thrown flat and get the same result. Still love em both. Fun fact...today I hit a tree, full power, with the River, about 30' down the fairway. I thought it was gonna be gashes to hell. Had tree sap splattered all over it, but not even the slightest gash. Just very light rash on the rim. Opto plastic is freakin tits! I'm putting it up there with Neutron, and Z in terms of durability.

I think the River as more of a control driver - it plays really nice with dedicated lines but its not necessarily a disc that you would say hyzer flip to pan like a Virus as an example. River is one of those on a rope type discs - heat can be a bit more unpredictable.

I think we tend to choose the same discs I swear you reviewed almost everything in my bag now

Heat is became my favorite disc for farther woods shots that my Mako3 can't reach, that's the main 2 I used to pull my best round ever with (ace included) and the heat I used was a used disc I just got right before that round it's big Z plastic that is slightly more stable than my z plastic heat.

z heats will fly similar to the other premium plastics, but most esp heats require a dial back in power and varied amounts of heavy hyzer to get the line you want. i would recommend a sting as another great flippy fairway, i use in esp for touchy woods shots

the River is not a 7glide. it's actually an 8speed disc with 4 glide. It has one of the poorest distances in it's speed category, and calling it a 7speed with more glide sells more discs. 8speed=18mm rim width (or 1.8cm if you prefer)

@taylordoom6928

9 ай бұрын

Tell me it’s a 14 speed I don’t care, I throw it well and it goes a mile for me. Those numbers are for reference mainly anyway. Different companies you’ll notice that all 5,5,-1,1 don’t fly the same at all it’s just for reference compared to that companies line up.

How about a learning to throw rollers video? I could use tips.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

planning on it!

@darinladd5312

Жыл бұрын

eagle mcmahon has one from a few years ago. heard he's getting pretty good.

One of the many things I love about the Heat is the variance of flight between plastics. My 22 Ledgestone Cryztal Sparkle Heat is laser straight and noticeably more torque resistant. 9/5.5/-1/1 My new Z glo FLX is the perfect Heat. 9/6/-2/1 Swirly ESP Heats are glide kings but can sometimes be pretty flippy. Which I love! 9/7/-3.5/1

@buck_X

8 ай бұрын

It's an insane difference, like completely different discs. I have a Z and an ESP FLX Heat. The ESP is probably flippier than anything else I have save the Diamond. I have to give it a lot of hyzer to avoid burning out. The Z barely turns at all on a 275' flat shot. ESP feels like the flight numbers, but the Z flies like 9/5/-1/2.

Discraft Crank is a pretty great forehand disc. Just picked up a Roach, Scorch, and Anax which I'll be trying tomorrow. Show Discraft some love.

The Passion is what I throw in place of the River. You should give it a review

I know I'm a week late here but I have a friend who considers the River a midrange - not a driver - because for him it's great for touchy short-to-mid range shots, and it gets around corners and skips well. So it's very useful for him more for approaches and modest power throws.

@tonykaze

Жыл бұрын

it's definitely both - I use river as a mid if low wind, just because I love the feel way more than my mids, but I can very reliably laser beam my Rivers out to 375-400ft in a straight line, which I definitely can't say for any mids.

Man you should still have that ESP for rollers and you should really learn it more. I have ESP Heat as well and a really good Roller as you said

I totally understand what you meant with that "flip-point", had the same issues with that, I love throwing glidey hyzerflips, but it's quite difficult to commit with discs that are too flippy. The K1 Falk used to be my favorite for this shot, but when this disc is gone, it's gone. You have to be very disciplined throwing it. I beat up a champion Leopard3 to a point where it is perfect. Look up Drew Gibsons shot at Northwood Black Ledgestone hole 10 last year. When Leopard3s are seasoned like this, your throws can become works of art. (When they're brand new, they are actually quite/too neutral). The Essence lies somewhere in between, feels perfectly flippy from the start, and the rim is great.

Stag for me, love the River tho, it's just the Stag is more controllable/not quite as flippy

@Riverhouserecordings

Жыл бұрын

My stag has more fade at the end too, when it starts tracking right it always come back with enough height. Underrated

I had to go check my retro river when you remarked about the dome of your river. My retro is super flat. I compared it to my DOMiest disc which is an Astronaut. You could live under the Astronaut like a biosphere. It is has insane dome. But, I digress. Retro River is super flat but a great straight shooter.

Discmania Genius is very similar to the Heat for me, love em both, and I'm sure you're hip to the Diamond

I used to bag the ESP Heat (until I lost it comparing it to the Neutron Impulse, which flies exactly the same), it's a nice disc although even on a baby hyzer angle (15°), it would turn and burn (unless it had enough height). If you throw it on ~75° hyzer and enough power it can go decently far on a full flight (massive turn, then a fairly reliable fade).

Some options: Kastaplast Falk, L64 Saint, Discmania Essence, Discraft Avenger SS, Axiom Virus, Prodigy H4v2, Westside's Stag, Westside's Underworld. Not all these fly the same. Heat, Avenger SS, Underword, Avenger SS, Essence are quite similar. Virus is probably next in stability and then the rest. Rivers that I have thrown many years ago were more stable than any of the ones on my list. And there are so many newer manufacturers that have similar discs so you probably have easily 20-30 discs to choose from. And pop-top is not a moderate dome like Rive or Grace. Grace is a stiff domey disc that makes a loud pop noise when you press the top down near the rim (from opposite sides). It's like a heart beat when you do that. if it is not stiff, it doesn't pop and if it isn't domey, it doesn't pop properly.

I bag the heat and the River. I use the heat for hyzer flip shots and wanting bigger distance. I use the River for shots I need turn. The river when thrown flat doesn’t turn into a roller for me. For a 9 speed that flys like the river I like the Saint. I can throw it flat get turn, but it doesn’t turn into a roller

I love my DX thunderbirds for hyzer turnovers. Domey champion sidewinder for flip to flat and swirly rim Proton insanity flip little turn and come back. Big z vulture for throwing hard flat little turn stable finish.

Get yourself a Lat64 Fury or Saint. KInda similar, but Saint comes back a little bit faster. Fury flipped to about 15 degrees anhyzer till hold it pretty much forever.

I prefer the Fission Crave. You should try a Fission Crave 6.5 5 -1 1 against the River. It will surprise you with the distance.

@darinladd5312

Жыл бұрын

agreed. river in opto is VERY flippy. and IF you hit a tree (on your third throw ever with it) the rim isn't gashed, it's mushed out of shape so badly it rolls no matter how much hyzer. and as a roller the extra glide forces it over. so it's a beautiful, crap disc. i struggle to keep the fission crave from turning over, but on a max distance throw it just goes and goes. and pretty much always fades a little at the end (after huge turn). so i like it, but use cautiously. for a similar disc to river i bag the mvp impulse (neutron). it's understable but more controllable than river or crave. a great forehand disc, too. torque-resistant, reliable. i bought it specifically for tee #16 at idlewild. makes the tee shot easy (backhand). then the crave or a teebird (or another impulse) for the second shot. it just never gets old.

Another good comparison is the Legacy Discs Mongoose, same numbers as the heat with a similar hand feel, but without the tooling. In the icon plastic should compare pretty well to the ESP Heat, I have never thrown the pinnacle but it should be a touch more stable and should be comparable to the crystal one.

I have one of those Ledgestone Heats. Your not burning that one over on a normal controlled hyzer flip. The ESP reflects the flight numbers pretty accurately. The Z Heat is between the Crystal and the ESP as far as stability.

If you like flat drivers check out more of mvp’s lineup. imo mvp defining characteristic is that every disc is board flat regardless of mold.

This convinces me, the two ESP Heats I bought to try out a while back were a weirdly stable run (maybe why they were on sale?). They flew like they were 9 5 0 2 😅🤣 (and no, it isn't my arm speed as I have other "less flippy" 9 speeds that fly quite understable for me).

You can always try the Innova Sidewinder or Infinite Sphinx, both 9 speed with same turn & fade as the Discraft Heat. I know that Uli throws the Heat, it's one of his go-to hyzer flip & roller discs. He's said so in his vlogmas earlier this month 😀

@patrickcarrigan6901

Жыл бұрын

Sidewinder is definitely more stable then a heat

@ArcticKats

Жыл бұрын

Maybe so, there's always an Innova Roadrunner as it's 9 5 -4 1

@patrickcarrigan6901

Жыл бұрын

I bag a halo sidewinder, which flies like a beat up thunderbird and a star sidewinder that's laser straight roadrunner is 100 percent the same category for the heat it just doesn't glide like the heat does

@darinladd5312

Жыл бұрын

sidewinder is great. roadrunner is like: "hey i just got a new disc ... bye! i just lost a new disc!"

@kimmomatikainen1843

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcticKats It flies a lot more stable than that.

I love my River, currently bag two of them, one a little older than the other. But my arm speed is slow enough I usually don't turn it over

I love my Buzz it's super reliable I'm still getting to know my heat but I think we're going to be friends. Both of mine are Zs which I actually really like.

I liked my ESP Heat when i started back up playing this year after a 5 year hiatus, but as I got arm speed up it turned over to much with torque for me. Still good for the wood courses I play but thinking a different plastic would make it better option for me. I also have a river I love to throw as it just glides with little effort but lacks fade for me vs the heat.

Have you tried the RPM Pekapeka? My atomic one is slightly more stable than the numbers suggest but it's got a comfortable rim and lots of glide.

Have you checked out the TSA Mantra? It's a hair deeper and flatter than my heat but I think similar super glidey flight with (for my arm speed at least) controllable turn.

I’ve been bagging a Mantis for flippy fairway and I absolutely love it. Would definitely like to see you throw one

@dsprocks

Жыл бұрын

I bag heat and mantis, mantis is great for forehand shots I wouldn't trust the heat to do.

"Oh wow that's terrible" is something I say so many times during my rounds

Try axiom insanity. Super flat, little more stable than heat. Perfect for stable to understable backhand and the flatness/perfect depth is perfect for that stand still fh.

Get yourself a Lat 64 Opto X Glimmer Fury to try. For me it flies like a beat in River that's started going to the gym.

I like the Swirly ESP Heat up at 5000+ elevation

I'm a BIG fan of the old school opto River (reaper stamp) because they tend to have way less dome than their modern counterparts. 172g is the sweet spot and they are money in the woods.

@Riverhouserecordings

Жыл бұрын

The flat ones are so good. I have a couple gold ice ones that are board -flat. 170g , wooded hyzer flips all day

I think the thought space mantra OR the mvp impulse could possibly fill this slot for you

@darinladd5312

Жыл бұрын

impulse. you said it!!!

Try the Kastaplast Falk. Like heat but goes for miles. It’s 9 speed too and amazing disc

@Riverhouserecordings

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the falk requires slightly more juice than the heat, but yes otherwise falk all day long

Definitely try out the Axiom Rhythm for a flippy fairway in the 7 slot

For me the heat throws like a 9/6/0/0.5 and what ever Lon I put it on it sticks to perfectly

Ppl gonna hate but a Barsby Roadrunner is THE disc for that slot.

What happens when you try to replace river? Well you suddenly notice having three extra discs in your bag. In my case underworld in vipX, stag in tournament and stag in vip plastic😄 And very much variables at your house.

I think you give the mint disc freetail in eternal plastic a try for a flippy/roller disc

Can you review the vulture from discraft?

U should try out discraft’s Avenger SS … I have a glow plastic one and it flies exactly like my river but about 30 - 40 ft longer (it’s a 10 speed) it’s basically a 10 speed Heat

Discraft z stalker is this slot for me. Very underated disc recommend you give a try/ review

Have you tried the Saint, and if so what are your thoughts on it? I was thinking about getting one for my friend for Christmas.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I have a vid from last week on it! "testing 7 glide"

@bearislandjosh5279

Жыл бұрын

@@BodanzaDiscGolf oh hell, I saw that, but I was really high and fell asleep. I'm going to have to watch it again at lunch today.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

@@bearislandjosh5279 lolololololololololol

need to try a z heat. its in the middle of those two.

Ooh an Essence would be a good comparison

Why not compare the sidewinder?

Leopard 3 is awesome

Should put the new axiom rhythym up against that slot next

L64 MAUL is much better than the River at Hyzer flips. Heat replaced my Roadrunner because it flies further and is more predictable. My Gateway Hyper Diamond Hemp Spear is my favorite 9 speed hyzer flip BH disc.

Try out the Neutron Inertia for a flippy fairway driver.

Turkey lake is amazing in orlando

I find that new ESP plastic is too firm and slick compared to older ones. Crystal Z and Crystal FLX are best Discraft ever made but can be hard to find in sertain discs. In the woods Heat is amazing disc, you can shape your line as you like with it.

@ScroDiddly

Жыл бұрын

The old esp had a matte like finish. Good grip.

@terot8341

Жыл бұрын

@@ScroDiddly but once they started beaten up, they went fast.

I like discraft but I didn't get along with the heat! I like the essence in that slot

Essence is great or a Gateway HD Spear

Yo! Since you are back in CFL are you gonna play DeBary? I wanna snag a mini

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

I'm going to be on the south side of orlando unfortunately! Debary is just a bit too far out of my comfortable driving range

@RicSkyekoff

Жыл бұрын

@@BodanzaDiscGolf thanks for the reply! I’ve yet to play UCF I appreciate the preview and great content!

I've been golfing 22 years. Here's my story about 9 speeds vs. 7speed. I noticed while I was at the DGPT in Iowa. That my bag jumped from 7speed to basically 12. So I was figured I would try a bunch of different 9 speeds. Well after trying about 10 different 9 speeds. I noticed that 9 speed discs and 7 speed discs are aerodynamically too similar. So when you go to 10 speed. You actually gain some distance. I ended up with a PFN Orc. I also now bag a PD. I personally think the 10 speed disc is the best all around driver. Go to 11. Too Skippy. Go to 9 it doesn't get there. I hope this helps you on your disc golf endeavors! Maybe you should do a review about 10 sp vs. 9 sp. Keep up the great vids

You should review the discmania md3. It's my go to mid.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

I did! I reveiewed the c line vs the iron samurai 4

@TRUSTintheSAVIOR

Жыл бұрын

@@BodanzaDiscGolf OH bro,I'm so sorry, I totally forgot about that video. My bad.

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

@@TRUSTintheSAVIOR no worries! there are so many vids it's super easy to forget!!

8:42. Are we sure that isn't an alien instead? Might have got attracted to the flying ufo.

Cmon chuck !!!

Still want to see you. Throw a passion man like passions or dope. I really want to see how you what you think of the way that the wing is designed

MVP Relay you should try

@darinladd5312

Жыл бұрын

another fantastic disc. but beware: that one loves water....

Witch bag did you use🙈

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

I have all my stuff linked in the description. It's the discology izzo. I have a discount and affiliate link with them

What do you mean 'Finally a good discraft disc'? The sting is one of the best discs ever. So difficult to get hold of now.

Infinite discs halo S blend Centurion. Trust me on this one

Try essence best disc

Good putts :)

Gold Rivers are pretty flat relative to their Opto counterparts.

Slow down....you talk so fast you give me anxiety! Hahaha! Awesome reviews!

Dude. Falk.

Can we donate thru KZread and get you to do bag or bin?

@BodanzaDiscGolf

Жыл бұрын

Just patreon for now!

Avenger SS better than HEAT.

Axiom Insanity

Last hole, it appears your side arm is nose up. Forearm may be slightly rotated to the sky, similar to the forearm position for an "ultra star" Huck.