I like how much sense of dignity and respect Robert L. Kuhn is treating this subject and his opponents with

@TheGreatAlan75

3 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist how do you figure? There is no empirical evidence for any "god" and that's why atheists don't believe in any of them. Why do you have a problem with that? Is it that you question it yourself? The fact that some people don't believe, does it make you feel insecure?

@TheGreatAlan75

3 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist the word "atheist" should not really exist.. Do we have a word for NOT believing in fairies? Or goblins? You can't stand that some people don't just don't blindly believe. You know deep down that you're fooling yourself. "Faith" is belief without evidence. It's no pathway to the truth.

@Ploskkky

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreatAlan75 Speak for yourself. I am a professional non-stamp collector.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Kirill ( did I spell that right?) I agree with you but I wish those who make the comments would show the same respect.

@clifflange6582

3 жыл бұрын

Please don’t believe these atheists, these are NOT the arguments we use. This is a gross mischaracterization of what we believe.

Every episode is beautifully crafted with skills of curator in Kuhn. Brilliant

His ending statement pretty much sums up my thoughts and feelings about god too.

An agnostic theist. That's pretty rare these days. As an atheist I really enjoyed this video. By the end the host basically says, and I'm paraphrasing "My belief is wishful thinking, and the burden of proof is not only on those who claim to believe, but on god himself". That is more than I could ever wish for religious people to admit. I don't need the whole world to be atheist, but it would be nice if everyone had this level of sanity.

@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN

3 жыл бұрын

im not an expert on this subject but i wll give you a proof for God

@Bamsefar87

3 жыл бұрын

@@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN Well, that the problem. You thinking that you have 'proof' for something that people have debated for thousands of years. I mean, you are smart enough to admit you are not an expert, why are you too dumb to admit that you have no proof?

@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bamsefar87 I WILL GIVE YOU ONE LETS SEE HOW SMART YOU ARE

@Bamsefar87

3 жыл бұрын

@@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN You keep saying that, and yet all you are giving me is depression.

@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bamsefar87 you say you are smart do you want to prove it?

God needs to prove his existence to people. If there is a God that is all powerful and all knowing, this God should be capable of revealing himself to humans and proving that he is God.

@shinertaz

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you’re already living in he’s existence already but aren’t aware of it

@ratreptile

3 жыл бұрын

@@shinertaz Then why did he make me unaware of it though? That sounds counterintuitive.

@garruksson

3 жыл бұрын

Horrible argument

@cannonball416

3 жыл бұрын

Subconsciously we all feel there's something out there and we don't understand it and we fear it and we yearn to know...it has to be a creator an architect in this universe that follows patterns and not chaos .

@859902

3 жыл бұрын

opposite seems more likely

Those things we want to believe are the things we should be the most skeptical of.

@trafficjon400

2 жыл бұрын

1500 YEARS OLD BOOK KEEPS PEOPLE ON A ROLL FOR 2000 YEARS STILL STANDS FOR A REASON OF THE MOST HATE OF HUMAN KIND. HHM THIS TELL YA SOME THING WAS NOT JUST HERE FOR NOTHING.

we are digging thru a mountain of concepts, thank you for always going deeper.

Thank you Mr. Kuhn for your candid honesty and unbiased approach to this important subject. Separating the objective from the subjective should always be the first step we take in our search for truth; a step you have taken well.

One of the main reasons that many people believe in a God is that it gives them a sense of direction and purpose in life and it provides hope for a wonderful afterlife. However, what people do not realize is that their personal needs and hopes become their "personal truths". People believe something out of personal need and hope, not because it is true...

@michelangelope830

2 жыл бұрын

I can prove God exist dropping mortality rates when my theory is known. Would you accept saving infinite lives as evidence of a miracle? I think therefore i exist, therefore i was created or always existed and the creator was created or always existed, therefore God (a miracle) exist. If time and existence began from nothing then a miracle exists because logic and science do not support the creation from non existence, and nothingness would be the creator of something. It is telling with how much zeal humanity scrutinise to object obvious truths but on the other hand are so gullible of absurd lies like addiction is a brain disease. The unpublishable truth is addiction is the psychology of a liar.

@ThomasCranmer1959

Жыл бұрын

So you believe in atheism because it gives your life meaning and direction and hope?

@ThomasCranmer1959

Жыл бұрын

That must mean you're an atheist because it does not need to be true.

@cvdb2471

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasCranmer1959 the opposite - I realize that what I personally hope, want or need is not helpful nor relevant in finding objective truth. I am interested in finding objective truth. It seems to me that people believe in all sorts of things mainly because it gives them a perception of purpose and fulfills personal needs, not because it is actually true. Is purpose for you more important than objective truth? BTW - one cannot “believe in atheism”. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a supernatural god. For example, you are yourself (most likely) atheistic too, towards the existence of the god Zeus. It doesn’t mean that you “believe in atheism”.

@ThomasCranmer1959

Жыл бұрын

@@cvdb2471 Is it objectively true that there is no God? Define objective truth. Define objective reality.

What a superb closing statement

A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'... My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE... Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.

In my first few years of being atheist I always said "I would like if god exists, but I don't believe it". Eventually, I realized that there is no proposed god that I would enjoy, and in fact, even more importantly, there is no GOOD god i could imagine that would create THIS particular planet that we live on. Therefore, I can no longer yearn for a creator to be real.

@danielgilleland8611

3 жыл бұрын

It looks like you're discussing Good vs. Evil re the God question. I'm thinking that your moral objection lacks logic in regards to Good vs. Evil and God. Perhaps you should look at speakers like Dr. Ravi Zacharias. The logic of God being good is actually quite strong.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Amy.... I understand what you are saying. What do you mean by "there is no proposed god that I would enjoy?" Our planet often seems to be the creation of something random or even something not good. Are you referring mostly to suffering or natural disasters? Or people who do evil things?

@mxferox

3 жыл бұрын

I just mean there hasn't been a god suggested that I could respect, and nothing good could have created this awful existence.

@mxferox

3 жыл бұрын

Im referring to all three of those types of suffering and more. Suffering is endless here.

@mxferox

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel gilliad, if u don't know that an all powerful good would have created a good world(which i dont see), then you lack the logic when it comes to understanding omnipotence and compassion.

I like this video series for addressing this big topic in a way that invites people from all perceptions to join in. The more I listen to people with any sort of supernatural belief, the more I am convinced there is no such thing. I was raised with Christianity and would encourage anyone who consider themselves religious to ask themselves some key questions: - What drove you to have the religion / belief that you have? The most likely answer is it is passed on by your family and social surroundings, or you have picked it up from a charismatic person that you trust and who made an impact at a vulnerable moment in your life. This does not make it true. - What would happen if you would leave the religion / belief that you have? In many cases, an honest answer is it would result in some sort of fear. Fear for being rejected by your family and social surroundings (even threatening and death...), fear to be punished and to go to hell, fear to handle life without religion, fear of emptiness, or other types of fear. - Do you want to hold on to an illusion that is supported by people who are taught to believe purely in feelings, not to question anything, and to reverse-reason any counterpoints only to stay with the same belief system? Or do you want to know how things really are, i.e. the truth about our world and universe? Can you live with the fact that not everything about our world and universe is yet known? Or are you so desperate to "know the full truth now" that you will believe in fallacies that suit you well, just so you have the illusion you know the truth? One of the biggest pitfalls communicated in most religions is the notion that "doubt = weakness" and that you should be "strong in your faith", in other words just believe whatever you have been told and do not question it. Don't accept that. Doubt is healthy and good. It stimulates your brain to think critically and to question what you think you know by checking against facts and new learnings. Life without religion is possible and better, with high moral standards, wonder and admiration for the universe we live in and respect for all people! We are all in this together, let's stop building religious tribes.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

C vdB Hey there... I really agree with your statement "one of the biggest pitfalls communicated in most religions is the notion that 'doubt = weakness." I'm reading books on that very pitfall. That whole 2nd paragraph of yours sounds great. John

@michaelbrickley2443

2 жыл бұрын

Where did objective morality come from? Why do so many scientists follow Jesus Christ?

@cvdb2471

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelbrickley2443 What is your definition of "objective morality"? We can consider morality as a set of rules and principles that define what we consider good and bad. I am positive there is vast commonality in what we as humans find morally good and bad, although there are differences too. We are all humans with the same type of basic needs, desires, fears and hopes. These form the basis for what we consider good or bad. To your second point - first of all, I think you might be talking primarily about American scientists, or at least scientists in geographical areas where Christianity is the major belief system. Scientists are also humans, just like everyone else. A religion like Christianity is passed on from generation to generation and it is often deeply rooted in the local culture and everything that people do, including major life events like birth, confirmation, weddings, funerals, etc. Scientists and other people, may feel that Christianity helps them to deal with their needs, desires, fears and hopes. That does not mean that the teachings represent objective truth, however.

@michaelbrickley2443

2 жыл бұрын

@@cvdb2471, Objective morality is a set of standards that is relatively global. Stealing a handicapped person’s cane or wheelchair? No good! Adults having sex with children? Not good!

@cvdb2471

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelbrickley2443 Yes, I think most people will largely agree to that, regardless of culture or beliefs.

Most "proofs" of God I have studied assume that God exists in the first place! On top of fallacious arguments lies the error of assigning human qualities and experiences to God.

@briansmith3791

10 ай бұрын

We can start from the fact that the universe and Life exists. How and why are the questions. We have observable evidence for one universe with the inherent Physical Constants. That's fine-tuning.....unless there is observable evidence against it.

@lucasdasilva23

2 ай бұрын

​@@briansmith3791 "That's fine tuning" assuming that there are something to tune in the first place, that there was a choice that had to been made by some entity. Not a great "proof" I believe.

@briansmith3791

2 ай бұрын

@@lucasdasilva23 Physicists say the Physical Constants could, theoretically, be different, but the conditions for Life would not exist. This seems to be the only way a Life-affirming universe can be. As Dawkins says, "Physicists say the Fundamental Constants are fine-tuned for Life". One universe with Constants just right for Life? For me, all that points to a creator.

The best treatment of this subject I've seen. "Closer to the Truth"!

I love your series of videos Robert and you’re great, but you must be the most indecisive person I’v seen.

@ixmix

2 жыл бұрын

agree, in most cases he swings his side...😂

@tonyscalise4462

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha I think open minded would better fit.

@Therealseanbreed

2 жыл бұрын

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL EXACTLY!! Die, see GOD and still wonder if its a figment of his imagination or some vision, etc....... Thats a Living Hell in my opinion

@ThomasCranmer1959

Жыл бұрын

Ever learning but never arriving at the truth....

@ThomasCranmer1959

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyscalise4462 Open minded relativism? Where's the final truth?

Walter perfectly describes in one sentence the basic problem with theist arguments: they presuppose from a desired conclusion. This is not how science works, due to issues with confirmation bias, a well documented phenomenon. You can always find something that supports your argument, if proof is what you seek to present. But that doesn't make it actually true. This would suggest, for example, that Newton's Apple had some reason, other than gravity, for falling. Countless alternative causes could be postulated, but we know to a reasonable level of certainty that it was gravity. Just gravity. I can certainly understand an innate desire in humans to believe in some higher power, having recently undergone some serious health problems myself: Well, the doctors can't fix me...I wish there was some power that could. But that was merely wishful thinking. I might get better, but this in no way proves the existince of some superior being; it certainly only proves the imperfection of our own knowledge.

Dennis Alexander understands that the argument from ignorance and god of the gaps is fallacious, and specifically sought to make the point that it shouldn't be used in examples such as the origin of life, or in human consciousness. He then goes right ahead and makes the argument from ignorance and god of the gaps regarding "creation". Amazing!

If a God of Love does exist, the burden should not be on us to find him.

For an atheist scientist to believe that there is absolutely no God makes me wonder on what basis was he able to arrive at that conclusion. Would the mere absence of evidence be a basis for such dogmatic faith in the non-existence of God?

@hidad5601

2 жыл бұрын

So you must by your logic have faith in the existence of the thousands of gods out side your own religion. What evidence outside your holy book do you have that proves that a god from another religion doesnt exist.

@michelangelope830

2 жыл бұрын

I can prove God exist dropping mortality rates when my theory is known. Would you accept saving infinite lives as evidence of a miracle? I think therefore i exist, therefore i was created or always existed and the creator was created or always existed, therefore God (a miracle) exist. If time and existence began from nothing then a miracle exists because logic and science do not support the creation from non existence, and nothingness would be the creator of something. It is telling with how much zeal humanity scrutinise to object obvious truths but on the other hand are so gullible of absurd lies like addiction is a brain disease. The unpublishable truth is addiction is the psychology of a liar.

@quantumgravity92

2 жыл бұрын

@@hidad5601 YOU'RE PLAYING WITH WORDS ALL humans believe in God but give him (THOUSANDS) of (NAMES)

@nunyabidness5375

2 жыл бұрын

@@hidad5601 None of them perform miracles, fulfill prophecy, or have the least chance of conforming to either science or reason.

@nunyabidness5375

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. If I've never seen a silverback gorilla, a giant squid, or other previously mythological creatures, that doesn't prove they don't exist. Because they were later discovered and all the "nuts" who asserted their existence were vindicated.

He nailed it when he said that in order to find god you have to stop thinking

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

Hey CMDR... I like that statement but I think it could be perceived as having different meanings.

@cmdrf.ravelli1405

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 obviously, because God (whatever, definitely not the bearded old fellow that the atheists use to envision) is beyond thought. Every budhist or hindu knows that

@LarsPallesen

3 жыл бұрын

That would certainly explain a lot about the behavior of religious people

@cmdrf.ravelli1405

3 жыл бұрын

@@LarsPallesen but Hitler was an atheist, mind you

@cmdrf.ravelli1405

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIWj0c5vl9jaiaQ.html

it seems to me that when someone starts do believe in a god, it happens because of some kind of emotional or psychological reasons.

@ishikawa1338

Жыл бұрын

You will understand one day…

@ihatespam2

10 ай бұрын

@@ishikawa1338I hope I can be as special and chosen as you some day…

Good discussion. Only downside is that i had 16 ads during the 26 minutes. Thats INSANE. Will be watching strictly on browser to avoid so many ads.

@zeesan9004

Жыл бұрын

KZread vanced rocks ( sorry KZread 🥱)

''Deciding on the conclusion first and constructing the arguments later''

@ZpointG

3 жыл бұрын

Interpretation precedes logic.

@gingerale7729

3 жыл бұрын

That's what atheists do

@Daniel-fv1ff

3 жыл бұрын

The irony is real

@briansmith3791

10 ай бұрын

@@gingerale7729 Yes. i've heard Dawkins, Dennett, Krauss and other atheists say they don't WANT there to be a God. Not exactly open minds.

If God did start it all, it still doesn't undermind him by asking how he did it

@slumpkiid3570

Жыл бұрын

Did it the same way you close your fist and beat your heart and live your life

I have to say.......I am absolutely LOVING this channel. It is my new obsession. Other than the very questions that it asks. And the deep dive into it. I’ve been searching my entire adult life ; for answers to questions that can yet never really be answered conclusively. It consumes me at times....that there is such an eternal uncertainty. The most profound questions; all the time...begging for truths. That nobody can answer. My father passed away last month......I am 50 years old; he was 74. I’m having a very difficult time with the questions......I always have had them; but now it’s just all so hyper focused. Where is he now? Did his consciousness survive? If so....where did he go? Why can’t he show me? Thank you so much for this channel. I needed this.

@helenkundrath8321

3 жыл бұрын

I am 81 and had an out of the body when I was 34, A nun was in my kitchen. I had 15 min of missing time but the point is you do have a spirit.. torso, head & 2 eyes. your in another realm. you float around..

@emesor78

3 жыл бұрын

Mabe God doesn't exists but what about the thousands and thousands of near death experiences that can't be explained by science, like a person who knows details of the room where the doctor were giving him cpr? I'm a doctor and I know people that were dead and came to life again and tell unexplainable things .

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Audj943... Thanks for sharing that personal stuff. I like this channel too but often it goes "beyond my head." Sorry to hear about your father. My dad passed away in 1993. My life has also been somewhat "hyper focused" the last 15 years as I struggled with cancer and side-effects. Take care of yourself and don't let any of the comments depress you.

@jesusgonzalez-er1nk

3 жыл бұрын

At this time in the 21 century people who still have the idea of god existence with not even one reliable history proof, is because the live out of the religion or because they still have a great percentage of ignorance. they claim and belive on god when is six differents gods out of the main religions arround the world. Robert Lawrence Kuhn is not trying to find the truth he is trying to confuse people, god has lots of power but that god needs second and third persons to tell the world that he exists and fails to tell people from others religions that he is the real god, and they are wrong worshiping other non existing gods also all the myths and leyends on the bible has no logic base on this days, you can understand this only with a comun sense, they don't know where and when jesus was born, and why if the old testament belongs to jews. christian religion was organize by the roman emperors and translate to greek, why they take the old testament from jews only for political purposes. watch the cesar's messiah : The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus. Seven of today's most controversial Bible scholars reveal their shocking conclusions about the origins of Christianity. Based on the best-selling religious studies book by Joseph Atwill,

@AJ.943

3 жыл бұрын

John Brzykcy Thank you John. I’m sorry to hear about your struggles as well. It does help to think about the possibilities of the human soul, consciousness, and afterlife.....even if just to ponder the idea. I agree; sometimes these kinds of channels can go beyond; I need straightforward conversation, and logic....not a lot of fluffy hoopla. I’m not a fan of believing in fantasy; I like the search for what could truly be. I like conversations that make sence. He seems to want to get that out of his interviews; which I appreciate. I like how he asks the questions that we ourselves would ask. This channel gives me something to think about; hope for, dream about. Hope you’re doing well; thank you for the kind response.

Brilliant episode Thanks

Thank you

I'll make a prediction. If you spend the rest of your life attempting to prove the existence of something that can't be proved; with your last breath you will question the way you spent your precious and exquisitely rare life in a universe apparently bereft of consciousness.

@infinto1

3 жыл бұрын

and what's the point besides

@dickdriver8762

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, being author of real confusion do spell the Word 1 Godless, where even those of faith differs Scripture.. Shows one that believers actually do worship being Egotistical GOD Devil, therefore last thing that oneself want is the glory of everlasting life, as that only for those fools think be nothing more than what meets the eyes who in the end shall believe do sees Eye.. 🕸️ Honestly one need not be religious, for religion is for those not perceive nor understand truth but do believe. But do know oneself total fool if not be open minded whatever the odds, not have side bet possibility do Exist LORD Almighty, kingdom come be in own lifetime. For then one will know real fear, all know see one Screams.. 👁️ Christ, world shall end on high Note..

@animalfarm7467

3 жыл бұрын

​@John Johnson “Precious, Excuisite” - It’s just an opinion. Your consciousness has probably existed in this universe for a number of decades, but what created the DNA molecule for your existence originated from inanimate matter reduced from hydrogen and helium in the center of stars billions of years ago. Your consciousness has existed for an instant in the lifetime of the universe and excluding the conjecture of multiple universes or the invisible man in the sky; is unlikely to ever exist again. I say “unlikely” because I don’t know - no one knows. I much preferred the honesty of your first response prior to editing. If you had read what I said carefully, you may have realized, “your last breath” is prior to death. If you’re not familiar with this term it is usually used to describe the timing for one’s last thoughts. And maybe you're a little presumptuous when you said, "When you die you lose all awareness". My instincts tell me you may be correct, but as I have never been "dead", I cannot confirm your certainty. And as for "As far as your concerned, you never existed"; if I never existed, I will probably have no concern about anything - I'll be dead. But where we may agree is the arrogant certainty of atheists and theists alike; they speak of certainties of which they cannot prove or disprove or in which they have had no primary experience. All they can do is parade and amplify their obvious intellectual dishonesty, gullibility, and irrational fear of the unknown that usually consumes their precious existence. Why is it so difficult for those on both sides of the fence just to admit their ignorance? And don’t be angry at the universe because your existence in this universe is finite. It is because life is finite it is precious and exquisite. Just marvel in the universe that created the conditions for your consciousness to come into existence in the first place.

@randyrudd5594

3 жыл бұрын

Beautifully stated-

@studygodsword5937

3 жыл бұрын

@@animalfarm7467 you do have a point, people should spend more time worshipping God, and less on whether God exists, God gave me the absolute proof that he exists in about a day, but that came after much time asking God for greater wisdom ! And many hours of worship !

Besides amazing content, I must absolutely admit adorable english he speaks. English is not my language but he sounds so clearly that I catch every single word. Maybe for those who are native english speakers it is not so obvious but the way he speaks is admirable 👍 Thank you!

@ndindamule3134

2 жыл бұрын

5A

@robertthomas4234

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, he Robert Kuhn speaks verw clearly. This is called diction,

@robertthomas4234

2 жыл бұрын

This is called diction. One must enunciate (look it up!) using the lips, teeth and tongue!! Good luck with your English🤓

@NQuiz52

2 жыл бұрын

I am a native speaker and it is indeed, obvious! The entire presentation is PERFECTION!

I would love it if you would bring in big brothers arguments on the subject 🍄

A spell is the belief that one's hopes and wishes are stronger than reality. Or perhaps spells are meant to comfort or reassure a second party. Whereby the second party may pick up the practice.

Where did "X" come from? I believe Wal Mart. Some say pixies. Some say God and if you don't accept my belief which I have determined to be true, with love and if legal, you are subject to infinite torture but know I love you unless you pick up sticks on sunday.

The concluding line is brilliant. I agree 100%. If god exists and wants us to believe, then it’s up to god to make that happen. This should be trivial for a being who created the universe.

@yourlogicalnightmare1014

Жыл бұрын

And any of the millions of people who have experienced god directly will recognize instantly the astounding lack of knowledge you have regarding the topic of god. Meanwhile, science only tells you how things behave, not what they are. Science will never be able to tell you what anything is, which means it will never be able to answer questions of a qualitative nature, which is the essence of everything. This first guest sounds like an absolute fool

@kuribojim3916

Жыл бұрын

@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 Well, when you talk about the millions who have experienced god directly - I don't know what you mean by that. We know that anecdotal evidence is not a proof of the existence of god. In terms of science not being able to tell us what things "are", what do you mean by that? What's an example? By the way, I don't doubt that there are gaps in our scientific knowledge. But if we are talking about whether or not god really exists - is there really a celestial dictator who reads our thoughts - then I think that's very much within the purview of science, at least conceptually. But if you're referencing something that is inherently unknowable on an objective level, then I think that's really the end of the discussion, because it's impossible to discuss what kind of evidence would prove the theory.

@yourlogicalnightmare1014

Жыл бұрын

@@kuribojim3916 Millions of people throughout human history have had an NDE and experienced god directly. Anecdotal evidence is the only evidence you have of anything existing at all, including yourself. All contact you have with what you believe to be an outside world occurs entirely in your mind. You'll illogically claim all kinds of things exist outside your mind, yet all you have to make that claim is anecdotal evidence , your own, or someone elses. Now if you want to argue that your direct experience is completely untrustworthy and not a source of evidence then you're right, there would be no arfument to have about god. God's nature is entirely qualitative. Science only deals with quantitative information. Science can tell you how an atom behaves, it cannot tell you what an atom IS. It cannot tell you what anything IS. You'll claim an atom is whatever the dictionary, encyclopedia, or other source says it is. That at best is a human defined definition, as is everything. So at best, you can tell me the english definition of a word. Words exist for us to communicate and share ideas between us. If you tell me something is a "chair", it merely means something I can sit on that will support my weight. Except every word of that definition has itself a definition. All we have are concepts. The nature of the celestial dictator is nothing like you perceive it to be.

@kuribojim3916

Жыл бұрын

@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 I'll reply point by point, as that might be easier. "Millions of people throughout human history have had an NDE and experienced god directly." I don't doubt this. But these are all subjective/anecdotal experiences - they are not hard evidence for the existence of god. Don't forget that many people have also claimed to have been abducted by aliens. Same rule applies. "Anecdotal evidence is the only evidence you have of anything existing at all, including yourself. All contact you have with what you believe to be an outside world occurs entirely in your mind." No, anecdotal evidence is not the only evidence we have. That's where science comes in - we use tools and empirical methods to determine what is true and what is not true (or what is more or less likely to be true). The whole reason this process exists is because the human mind, on its own, is highly untrustworthy as an empirical tool. "You'll illogically claim all kinds of things exist outside your mind, yet all you have to make that claim is anecdotal evidence , your own, or someone elses." Not at all. The Moon, for example, doesn't exist simply because I perceive it to exist - there are objective/empirical measures to demonstrate its existence. Similarly, gravity is a real thing whether I believe in it or not. There are very easy ways to test this, of course. 🙂 "Now if you want to argue that your direct experience is completely untrustworthy and not a source of evidence then you're right, there would be no arfument to have about god. God's nature is entirely qualitative. Science only deals with quantitative information." So, we've established here the flaws with anecdotal evidence. But you then go on to make a claim as if it's an objective fact - that "God's nature is entirely qualitative". Well, my friend, you have all your work ahead of you if that's what you want to claim. When you say that science only deals with quantitative information, I'm not sure what kind of distinction you are drawing. "Science can tell you how an atom behaves, it cannot tell you what an atom IS. It cannot tell you what anything IS." Define "is" in this context. Science can absolutely tell you both what something is AND how it behaves. I get the feeling you are applying some mystical definition to "is" - but maybe you can clarify that for me. "So at best, you can tell me the english definition of a word. Words exist for us to communicate and share ideas between us. If you tell me something is a "chair", it merely means something I can sit on that will support my weight. Except every word of that definition has itself a definition. All we have are concepts." Right, but I'm not really sure what your point is here. We have concepts that are articulated through language, but this doesn't mean that these concepts aren't objectively, demonstrably real or true. Language is obviously a conceptual construct that we use to *describe* those realities, but that doesn't change their *realness*. Again, maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not quite sure what you mean there. "The nature of the celestial dictator is nothing like you perceive it to be." You say that as if you understand its nature. But we're both primates attempting to use our brains, my friend. I think you are making claims about things you couldn't possibly understand, and certainly couldn't prove or demonstrate. But I don't say this to be insulting - I think many people do this about many things (not just god - but lots and lots of things, including very mundane stuff). The truth is, if there is a god, none of us have special access to that entity. We are all attempting to understand the Universe and our place in it. But if there is a god - if there is actually an entity that controls the Universe in some fashion - then this is absolutely not outside the purview of science. Now, perhaps the relevant question is to ask what you mean by "god"? Are you a deist? Or a theist? Do you believe that god talks to you privately? Hears your prayers? Meddles in the affairs of humans? Or do you believe that god is far more ephemeral, perhaps setting up the Universe to begin with, but ultimately not being concerned with the day-to-day affairs of intelligent primates? I'm curious to know what you think, and to understand your perspective. Thank you for taking the time to engage.

@yourlogicalnightmare1014

Жыл бұрын

@@kuribojim3916 I'll start with a critical sticking point. Science is an activity of mind. Hence by definition it is "anecdotal evidence", whether your own or others. Science doesn't 'prove' anything. It only acquires evidence to support an idea that arose in mind. It is impossible to know anything outside of / apart from the activity of mind. The moon exists whether YOU see it or not because the moon is, like everything, God's mental activity perceived through many 'apparently' independent conscious minds. 'You' are a mental concept. Thoughts are not 'you' nor do they 'belong' to you. You merely witness them via awareness which also isn't yours. This is a side track off the previous point and you can examine that separately later. You believe science can tell you what something IS. Give me an example, without using human mind created definitions. If I call you a "bizzledorp", I haven't told you anything about what you are. I can point you to other words that describe what I mean by bizzledorp, but those words are nothing but arbitrary definitions. All words point to definitions in a long regression of arbitrary words and definitions. I don't care what your word is in your chosen language. A word is a pointer to a concept. The concept is not the thing being conceived. An idea of a chair is not a chair. So when I point to a chair and ask you what it IS, all you're going to give me are concepts. If you're going to claim a chair I am pointing at is 'real', then you need to tell me what it is. Your concept of it is mental. I want to know what IT is, outside of and apart from your mere concept of it.

Fallacies in Proving God Exists: #1 Having a meaningful conversation on the subject of "God" (easily the most ambiguous word in all of language) without beginning by specifically defining the term which is the subject of the discussion. That's like one of the first steps of the scientific method. Without that, since like every person has their own unique concept of the ambiguous term, it becomes a "Who's on first" situation where nobody understands what the other is intending to say, and doesn't know it.

@wprandall2452

Жыл бұрын

It's not an ambiguous word. God, or the "Deity", is the first person who is without form because He is the Creator of all form. You couldn't be here without Him.

@prestonbacchus4204

Жыл бұрын

​@@wprandall2452 I couldn't be here without my parents, either. Why do you say God has no form? We are His form, right?

It’s so easy to prove that god does not exist, god is said to be omnipresent, but yet no one can see him at any time or place. To say that you have to disprove god’s existence is a fallacy. To say that something is not there, is prove of itself that it doesn’t exist, period.

Of course, there are fallacies in arguments for things that don't exist.

@melgross

3 жыл бұрын

The concept of proving that god exists is hopeless. When theists set the problem up, they make sure it can never be DISPROVEN. After all, if “god” is really the god of western religion, omnipotent, then that god can hide, and we will never be able to find it. So, what’s the point? It’s best to just ignore religion in the first place.

@mysticwine

3 жыл бұрын

What doesn't exist?

@danpaulson927

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysticwine Fairies. Trolls. Elves. Golliwogs. Tooth Fairy. Santa Claus. Easter Bunny. Giants and ogres. Flying pigs. Talking rocks. Bogyman. Standard stuff. Unless you're talking imagination. Then by all means, anything you can conjure up in a firestorm of synaptic activity exists. We're seeking the physically tangible, however. I thought you were going to prove to me God exists for step 1 in the other thread. You haven't given it your best yet, have you?

@S3RAVA3LM

3 жыл бұрын

"Because I can't comprehend it means it doesn't exist" Maybe when you can create a Sun, planetary system with sacred geometry within & all around... someday you may understand.

@infinitemonkey917

3 жыл бұрын

@@S3RAVA3LM Who are you quoting ? That isn't the argument against god. The argument is simply that there is no credible evidence.

Believing something without evidence is how Charlatans make a living. He has no reason to believe and yet believes...no that has nothing to do with being closer to truth. Does god exist ? I don’t know, so I will withhold belief. That to me is closer to being right which is closer to truth.

@scooprammer5934

3 жыл бұрын

Like what you said there, balanced and fair, can't go too wrong lime that

@alpl6555

3 жыл бұрын

Same mistake as most people. Faith and religion are two different things, my friend. Don't mix them up.

@danescott5149

3 жыл бұрын

@@alpl6555 Faith is the excuse people give when they don't have a good reason. Religion is man made dogmatic beliefs and requires Faith to believe. I'm don't believe I'm confused my friend. Faith: The evidence (excuse) for things unseen.

@alpl6555

3 жыл бұрын

@@danescott5149 Religion is a comercialization of faith. Religion needs a belief to be able to exist. It takes faith, or any other belief and sell it to people. Pure faith, without a religion, means living you life knowing from inside yourself, from your heart, that there is something bigger than yourself. Call it God, mother nature, Allah, Krishna, or whatever you want, it doesn't matter. That force exists and you exist because it made it possible. You don't need a religion to be faithful. You are indeed confused. You are confusing the wrapping with the product.

@alpl6555

3 жыл бұрын

@@danescott5149 You are indeed confused. You are confusing the wrapping with the product.Religion is the comercialization of faith. It needs faith or any other belief to exist. You are right, religion is a man made dogmatic belief system, but it has nothing to do with PURE FAITH, again : DON'T MIX THE TWO. PURE FAITH means living your life knowing from the bottom of your heart that there is something bigger than yourself. Call it God, Allah, Krishna, mother nature, doesn't matter, these are just socio-cultural differences. It's the same force for all of us, the force that made life possible, including you. The force that we are all bound to, from the day we born and till the day we die. The force that we have no control over, otherwise we could remake the world by our own imagination, yet this is not possible, because this force wants us to die eventually. It is the unwritten laws of the Universe itself, and the only laws that there exist. Anything else is human made up bullshit for society to be able to thrive. And by the way, I'm not religious in the way you might think. I don't go to the church or care about any christian rituals. I'm just a normal human being. Wish I could tell you more, but this is not the right place. Once you understand "IT", you will be free from any dogma, from any limitation or restriction.

One of the most surprising things about many atheists is how insulting they are. The first interviewee essentially calls theists either lazy, stupid, or psychologically damaged. These are arguments? Sounds like the ad hominem fallacy to me.

That's the beauty of Choice .

" Truth " is that which is realized, not argued. There is no argument that can disprove God because the statement " there is no God " if that is an absolute statement then the question that follows should be " do you have absolute knowledge of everything? Do you know everything that comprises reality? Since we are just explorers of reality rather than the authors of it no argument we could present proves that there is no God. And no argument proves that there is a God because if you could prove God by argument than God is then something that can be proved by us but something unlimited being proved by something limited as we are would make God no longer unlimited. So from our constitutional position we can neither prove or disprove God. But none of this means that there is no God, it just means that God has to be realized on his terms not ours. Argument is just someones perception contrasting with someones else's perception.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

Truth is what really exist, nobody ordered faith.

@darioinfini

3 жыл бұрын

That's a fair argument. I think what Mr. Kuhn is looking for though is a way to continue to exist and a god that cares about him is a pathway to that. I think there is substantial evidence to cast doubt on a god that cares specifically about humanity and the individuals that make it up.

@Marshallaw14

3 жыл бұрын

Agree completely,

@justinwalker5441

3 жыл бұрын

Dario Impini what would be the evidence against that? Just curious as to what could imply that and actually be strong evidence for it.

@user-ys3xr9bl7f

3 жыл бұрын

The burden of proof is on the Theists because THEY are the ones making the claims. The burden of proof should not and is not on the person questioning or opposing your claim. To have that sort of logic set up just proves how irrational and deluded someone can be.

Too bad Alan Watts wasn't still around to have a conversation

@eddielopez2373

3 жыл бұрын

He would have used a lot of words to say very little. As he always did.

@davidtate166

3 жыл бұрын

@@eddielopez2373 Allan watts does use a lot of words ? Still a very good speaker and writer.😁🙏

@2msvalkyrie529

2 жыл бұрын

Plenty of Alan Watts vids on KZread . Basically rehashing the same old Watts drivel . Watch one and you've watched them all.! Try another charlatan instead ? Eckhart Tolle . Same shtick !

Which God???🤔

This is the toughest question ever, we cannot search the creator after we die, it's too dangerous or terrible or disastrous that we cannot breathe once again, the fear haunts that I am buried under tons of mud, that is the reason God should exist, if God doesn't who is there to save us, Jesus is the only diety among all religions who focused only on eternal life and nailed his life on what we need, we need life that's all, whoever gives it, receives our worship and universal attention.

@darkspace5762

3 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist Why intentionality? Consciousness is more fundamental. How could one chunk of matter have consciousness? This does not prove the existence of a personal creator God that is petty and vindictive and knows how many hairs you have on your head and what you had for breakfast. Religious people like to twist these arguments to say that this somehow validates the Bible, it does not.

@GeorgieKiely

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher 02. A Long Mess of Blabbering BS

This guy can't find a reason to believe in god but is determined to believe, regardless. It sounds like he's making a very serious (even scientific) investigation. But he's not. He's just as delusional as his bishop.

@covidmonster4195

3 жыл бұрын

I give him a break because he is on a difficult journey where he is questioning whatever indoctrination he has been the recipient of. It sounds good to many people, so I can see why people want it to be true. They have been trained to ignore the horrible and disgusting actions described in the New and Old Testaments. At least he appears to be on an honest quest which he admits has revealed no good argument in favor of the existence of any god.

@MrMastadox

3 жыл бұрын

He is looking in the wrong places. The phenomena of gods and religions is exposed by looking at the psychology and antropology and evolution of humans. Religions are a reflection of our emotional being. We didn't evolve to understand the world, but to survive it. We create religions and gods in our image, not the other way around. There is a reason they refer to this ficticious character as "father". Its all super obvious if only he would look into it. Looking at the science or filosophy is a fools errand. And no amount of evidence can deter a firm believer from their dearly held religion. They do not have a religion for logical reasons. But for psychological ones. A believer is more likely to doubt their religion if they lose a child, than any logic. Its a matter of feelings emotions and coping mechanisms. Not evidence or logic.

@MrMastadox

3 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist hahahahahahaha.. you poor thing.

@MrMastadox

3 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist Lol.. how convenient.. while science moved on and evidence for evolution piled up. You cling to the utterances of a very few. Cherry picking to confirm your bias. You think you have some solid arguments. But you don't . But you do not dare to look up the counter arguments to those. You are just .. unsurprisingly.. blinded by your bias and belief in your religion. Only another believer reading that will cheer you on. Anyone science minded is not impressed.

@MrMastadox

3 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist furthermore. Worship in itself is stupid. Worship of a god is stupid, as well as of the self. Worship is a dumb concept. Noone should worship anything or anyone.

I love the open and honest admission at the end. Thank you CTT.

@jesusgonzalez-er1nk

3 жыл бұрын

At this time in the 21 century people who still have the idea of god existence with not even one reliable history proof, is because the live out of the religion or because they still have a great percentage of ignorance. they claim and belive on god when is six differents gods out of the main religions arround the world. Robert Lawrence Kuhn is not trying to find the truth he is trying to confuse people, god has lots of power but that god needs second and third persons to tell the world that he exists and fails to tell people from others religions that he is the real god, and they are wrong worshiping other non existing gods also all the myths and leyends on the bible has no logic base on this days, you can understand this only with a comun sense, they don't know where and when jesus was born, and why if the old testament belongs to jews. christian religion was organize by the roman emperors and translate to greek, why they take the old testament from jews only for political purposes. watch the cesar's messiah : The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus. Seven of today's most controversial Bible scholars reveal their shocking conclusions about the origins of Christianity. Based on the best-selling religious studies book by Joseph Atwill, caesarsmessiahdoc.com

People are terrified of dying. That's it in a nutshell.

I want to refer to something Lawrence Kuhn said about Thomas Aquinas and his first proof of God called the "argument from motion". He says there is no reason to assume that the beginner of all motions must be God. It could be anything. Aquinas' first proof states "we know there are motions as evidenced by our senses. All motions were once potential, being made active by active motions being themselves former potential motions. The process can't go back "ad infiniti", as there would no reason for the beginning of the motion system." So what is going to start the system, except something outside of the system? This would be a non-active source that somehow makes things active. The only thing that can do this is a CHOICE made by an INTELLECT, which we commonly know is an aspect of a PERSON. This person, as Aquinas said "we call GOD." If not God, Robert, what is it?

Seems to me that the first fallacy is thinking you can prove something to exist simply with an argument.

@qotsajr

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@gingerale7729

3 жыл бұрын

@@qotsajr Then evolution never happened because evolution is proven with an "argument"

@georgesvanbaelen6492

3 жыл бұрын

@@gingerale7729 Except of course that those "arguments" are actually based on data and evidence.

@gingerale7729

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgesvanbaelen6492 "Evidence" does not say anything, and a wrong interpretation of "evidence" will lead to wrong answers

@georgesvanbaelen6492

3 жыл бұрын

@@gingerale7729 You don't seem to understand what evidence and date means, and how they are evaluated and used to construct a scientific theory. Regardless, hard evidence and hard data will trump mythology and fantasy at every turn, even if at times misinterpreted.

I am really enjoying these programs, and I sympathize with Mr. Kuhn's quandary, but I wonder whether the desire to believe which he describes isn't in itself evidence in support of the existence of God. Not proof--there is not nor can there be proof. If knowledge is only defined as that which can be proven, then ignorance is inevitable. We have known--it has been proven--for a while that not every proposition can be proven, and it's hard to imagine how a problem could be constructed to be less provable than God. Any argument for the existence of God seems inevitably to come down to some form of magic, which seems antithetical to logic. I am also frustrated by fallacious "proofs" of God. If God has any meaning at all, truth must be a central part of that meaning. But many (most? all?) claims to disprove God are equally fallacious. Atkins' assertion that all proofs of God must be false because God doesn't exist is about as elementary as a fallacy can be. There's a necessary leap of faith between agnosticism and atheism. My knowledge of possible arguments against God is probably not exhaustive, but I have never seen or heard one that isn't fallacious. I believe it's reasonable to conclude that any answer beyond "I don't know," is unreasonable. But I also believe it's reasonable to see this as an artifact of the limits of reason. A lifetime of disappointments and unanswered prayers makes a persuasive case, to me, that God does not exist. It isn't proof, but it's surely evidence. Still, if God says to me that he does exist or otherwise demonstrates his existence--even once--I feel compelled to consider that any problems I've had with God are more to do with my lack of understanding than any failure on God's part. Of course, I am also aware that command hallucinations are very compelling to those who experience them, but, ultimately, I am as confident in my sanity as I am in my identity. In the end, I want to believe, so I do. Which, l also believe, requires of me due respect for others believing what they want to believe.

@MrMemyselfandi415

2 жыл бұрын

Woah! I read this comment and thought..."this guy sounds just like me" XD Cadence and all. It's really funny, heading towards agnosticism and atheism actually brought me to a place of belief....on some days. Lol. I finally realized if there is no God, and nothing matters, then this is the only life which we have, so you might as well make it your own, and if you prefer to believe in God and it makes your journey better, then DO IT! If there is no God, no rhyme or reason for life, and when the lights go out it's over, nothing matters, then they why do I have to justify my beliefs and desires logically? Prove them to other non believers? What unseen wrong am I committing that I shouldn't be if it's just a construct in our minds. If you want to believe because it makes you life better for you...THEN BELIEVE. So Atheism brought me to faith...in a more subjective way...from an angle I never expected. I had always tried to prove the faith I wanted to have with logic and science, and in a way that I could defend against other critical and logical free thinkers. But once you see life from a nihilistic perspective and all that there is is what you make of this like... It granted me the ability and justification to believe if I wanted and to not feel like I should give two shitz about any ridicule I would receive from a militant atheist. In the end my desire and experience trumped everything, so whatever makes that experience better is good with me, including God. So I'm a hopeful agnostic Christian. Jesus was a badass and the idea of Him is cool, and I don't know any other lens through which I would see God since I think sin is a real thing...or I can see it's outworking in the world....but I dunno....???? But I'm with you on the prayer thing. Good luck with that. I wasted way too much time on that. Nowadays when I say something to God it's in passing and almost condescending cause I know He doesn't talk back. But maybe I should be grateful, when God starts speaking back to you then you're REALLY in trouble right? LOl...anyway..thanks for the post. Was facinating. Didn't mean to ramble, its so late it's early and I'm tired.

@mikestewart505

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMemyselfandi415 Years ago, I had a conversation with a stroke patient who had pretty severe expressive aphasia. I don't recall his actual words, now, but if I had written them down, they would probably look incomprehensible. In the moment, though, I got a strong sense he was trying to say something profound. Thinking critically, a strong case could be made that I was hearing what I wanted to hear, that his thoughts "seemed" profound--to me--because they were actually my thoughts. To me, though, it was a glimpse of the power of intuition. Reason could hear with my ears, but on a less conscious level, my eyes could see his expression and posture, and my brain could process that along with my other senses and find meaning my ears alone would have missed. Was it real? It surely felt real. I firmly believe the human brain is capable of much more than can be put into words.

@MrMemyselfandi415

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikestewart505 That's a sad state of affairs. Especially when you've had the experience of seeing that person when they were young, virile, charismatic and strong only to find them relegated to such a demeaning circumstance. Bruce Willis was just diagnosed with Aphasia. My heart goes out to him. I always liked him. I always think about him climbing through that AC duct with his lighter in Die Hard talking to himself saying something like.."come on out she says.....it'll be a barrel of laughs" and then "Yippykiamother@#$%ker" Anyway....neither here nor there, but funny none the less. I'm an artist, and pretty empathic, so I have an uncanny ability to read the energy in written words. It's....a thing. So maybe you're right. The cool thing about that, and it's the way I think about God as well. Is that it's ok to reach for things we don't understand and make the best of them as long as we fully accept that they are simply leaps made from the best of our logic and reason. If it boils down to simply an experience that you can't prove...weight it out and then....live in the mystery. That's ok with me. I don't have to have all of the answers anymore. HAving said that, Your story reminded me of my ex wife....she spoke past me more of our entire marriage. XD Anyway. Regards.

Love this. Have watched your channel occasionally for quite a while but didn't really understand where you were coming from until this video. I don't share your longing for a God, but at times I find myself wishing for reincarnation to be true. I very much share your anger at fallacious arguments for any of it, especially framed as "proof" of the existence of a being already precluded by the history of Earth (a simultaneously all-loving and all-powerful creator). I don't call myself an atheist because it entirely depends on the definition of God. I don't believe in the forementioned omnipotent benevolent God on the grounds that it is inconsistent with much of our experience of reality. I'm agnostic about the possibility of some kind of "God-like" background awareness being the basis for consciousness. (That would be Godlike in the sense of being pervasive and generally part of good intention, but not in the sense of designing the universe or accepting prayer requests from the entire universe and answering them.) I find the idea of the universe itself having some kind of consciousness very interesting, as long as it isn't turned into a supernatural fairy godmother. Or worse, a supernatural God-Father who makes humanity offers we can't refuse. But, when people talk about God in a more generally worshipful and metaphorical sense, to mean the awe and wonder and beauty in reality, a sense of community, and a quest for meaning, then I can translate it and agree with them in principle. So by many definitions of atheist, I'm an atheist, even of the "strong" variety. But I can't embrace the term for myself, because, although it allows for my agnosticism regarding less outlandish versions of God, it doesn't allow for my acceptance of God as a metaphor and as cultural language for referring to various concepts of importance.

Have you ever noticed that people who claim to not believe in any sort of supernatural/Supreme Being are incensed by people who do believe and swarm to attack while true believers respond with prayer to their God and forgiveness in their hearts? Why would you suppose that is?

The correct Cosmological Argument is “everything that begins to exist has a cause.” At the 8:40 ish mark he begins talking about an “event” with excited atoms in order to show that “things” come into existence without a cause all the time. Just wondering how did the excited atoms come into being? The quantum vacuum is in fact “something”.

@calebjackson6277

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Stenger equivocates "nothing" and misunderstands the first premise. It is true that we cannot predict certain quantum activity. It does not follow at all that such activity is "uncaused" ie can occur unconditionally. That is obviously absurd. The premise could simply be clarified to say "Every state that begins to exist is contingent upon a prior state". The atom example would fall comfortably under this premise

@infinitemonkey917

3 жыл бұрын

How the atoms came into being is irrelevant to the non-causal / random phenomena of subatomic particles.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

@@calebjackson6277 the concept of "cause" is too vague, and the premisse that things need a cause is unfalsifiable.

@clifflange6582

3 жыл бұрын

Ferdinand Kraft Please provide an example of something that has come into existence without a cause.

@jayrodriguez84

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 As far as we can see in the observable everything needs a cause. So you can't use it to justify events in what we see but then say its unfalsifiable when it comes to proving the universe itself needed a cause to come into existence. That cherry picking doesn't work.

Well, I had experiences out of body, entering an extremely bright light, experiencing timelessness and infinity, then coming back, feeling the body of another person from the inside, the heartbeat, and the other person felt it as well. For others, this will be explained as an illusion. To me it was 1000x more real then our daily life experience. And I agree, it does not solve any deeper logical question about God. By my definition, God would not be God if God could be explained in such superficial way. But I live based on the experience that there are more dimensions to life. This generates the underlying knowledge to be humble and supportive to life, no matter the argument and no matter the doubt. Even if that sense would fail with death, the present becomes much richer and meaningful. Even a tree became a soul worth dignity and appreciation, well, even a stone. To me, science explains nothing about God. Science is just observing. Conclusions are always based on the consciousness of the observer. I have not seen that science was able to include consciousness into the equation -- and even a scientist would not exist without being conscious. No matter the argument of great scientists or philosophers, consciouness itself is and remains the fundamental miracle to each of us. We are all participants of a wonderland but do not see the wonder -- similar to our eyes that cannot see themselves watching out.

@mickeyguide3112

3 жыл бұрын

You are right, spiritual life does indeed exist. I've witnessed what happened to my wife. Beyond human comprehension. And I completely agree we are all participants of a wonderland yet very few see those wonders. We are like little ants to this higher power. The divinity is propably as complex as everything you see and hear with your god given senses in this realm.

@martialarts4095

3 жыл бұрын

Roland Huettmann what u smokin bruh ???

@RolandHuettmann

3 жыл бұрын

Experiences started after many weeks of meditation -- but it was some time ago. I am almost 70 years old and do not take any drugs. Neverthless, I am not against people trying psychedelics in a well guided session to explore the boundaries of mind once in a while.

@RolandHuettmann

3 жыл бұрын

My point here is that all those great minds interviewed do not have any clue what they are talking about, whether atheists or believers. It does not matter whether they believe, or not. They conclude from their own logical thinking. But none of them has ever left the "protected" zone of their own mind.

@brockandersen697

3 жыл бұрын

Roland Huettmann Kuhn should do an episode interviewing theists and atheists who have had these transcendent experiences... If he hasn’t already

Important to explore the fallacies or weaknesses of presuming to prove that the world exists, or other minds. Why treat God differently than other intuitions?

@johnwhorfin3815

3 жыл бұрын

@@Graewulfe the evidence of the world is the same, whether created by a literal world, or given by Descartes' demon

@jeffamos9854

3 жыл бұрын

Martyr4JesusTheChrist , sorry god and miracles do not exist. Must be sad. Rethink your delusional life

@jeffamos9854

3 жыл бұрын

Martyr4JesusTheChrist , stop trying to BS your way out. Believing in a magical super god does not require omniscience. Really just kindergarten logic. Same reasoning there is no tooth fairy. We all know things that do not exist that don’t require intelligence to know it’s foolish. Again you lost on the intelligence argument

@mistyhaney5565

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think he is. If science has taught us anything it's that intuitions must be questioned. Our intuitions, with regard to cosmic questions, are rarely, if ever, correct.

What gives me hope in God's existence is when Kurt Gödel died he was working on a mathematical proof in the existence of God.

Peter Atkins is not conscious enough (not awake enough) to realize that he is sleepwalking through life. In fact, the more passionate and articulate he is in expressing his faith in atheism and hardcore materialism, the more he demonstrates - in direct proportion to the strength of his materialistic beliefs - the depth and degree of his somnambulism.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

What if you are the one who is actually asleep?

@sahelanthropusbrensis

3 жыл бұрын

Grow up.

@TheUltimateSeeds

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 We are all asleep in varying degrees, it's just that some of us are aware of that fact. Whereas others, like the hardcore materialists featured in this video, are completely oblivious of the depth of their sleep. It's sort of a variation of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

@TheUltimateSeeds

3 жыл бұрын

@@sahelanthropusbrensis Wake up.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheUltimateSeeds it could be the other way around, you wouldn't know.

How many theists agree with his last sentences where he says we may never prove god?

@vincentparrella272

3 жыл бұрын

Scientifically? I dont think we ever will.

@TomAnderson_81

3 жыл бұрын

Vincent Parrella He kind of insinuated that we many never prove it with anything.

@anthonyortegon4441

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not our job to prove that God exists. It’s our job to show the love of God, to everyone. Because we believe he exists. To have Faith.

@danielgilleland8611

3 жыл бұрын

There is enough evidence for the existence of God. Atheists sometimes do the "moving the goal posts" trick on what constitutes "enough". That's often their main problem. Check out J. Warner Wallace and Ravi Zacharias as well as many others for really good arguments for Theism and Christianity in particular.

@TomAnderson_81

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel Gilleland If those arguments were convincing...wouldn’t there be no unbelievers? The guy in the video insists that we may Never prove it, agreed?

If God actually existed, I'd imagine he'd be pretty embarrassed.

Peter is underrated!

So far this fact is certain: The God that Roberts wants to exist does not seem to exist; the God that the theists think to exist, exists only on the premise of their accepted faith and peculiar logic.

@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN

3 жыл бұрын

i think the best argument for God is the one that atheist cannot debunk IT IS MY ARGUMENT FOR GOD THE SHROUD OF TURIN

@tanned06

3 жыл бұрын

@@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN I guess I saw a myth debunking show some time ago trying to wrap a stained human body with a cloth like that did for 'Jesus' on the Turin Shroud, and the result being that the stains left on the cloth showed somewhat like a double-size stretched, unsymmetrical spread of a human body, nothing like the one shown with the Turin Shroud. This proof tells all.

@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN

3 жыл бұрын

@@tanned06 can you wrap a dead body and make the same result?

@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN

3 жыл бұрын

@@tanned06 so how did ythje image got into the cloth?

@tanned06

3 жыл бұрын

@@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN That myth debunking episode shows that such an image can only be produced artificially and cannot be reproduced in real life experiment. To think it is a miracle is emotionally befitting for a believer. But we all know faith is one thing, truth is another thing.

Created it and died the next day, yeah I thought of that one too lmaooo 😂

The occurence of meaning, relationship and argument are described better through language and perhaps consciousness than science and math. This language of meaning, relationship and argument can be used to argue the meaning of the universe in God and the relationships and arguments within the universe.

It's now 121 n going from 58 joining at the start

I agree with his atheist views 100% but I disagree with his statement that a scientist who rely on god for an inexplicable answer is not a good scientist. Hmm Newton?

@Filipe9171

3 жыл бұрын

He was probably saying in todays terms. I suspect that if Sir Isaac Newton lived in our days he would almost certainly be an unbeliever.

@pcb8059

3 жыл бұрын

I agree too, many good scientists are theistic. The real argument should be Local Cause and Effect vs Non Locality / Naturalism vs Super / Mono vs Dualism/ Physics vs Meta, the God argument is secondary and does nothing good except waste time and create a False Dilemma between Science and Faith when our victorian Enlightenment ancestors could find compromise.

@Filipe9171

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know on what grounds people say that the dilemma between science and faith is false. Not only many scientific discoveries undermine beliefs brought by faith, but as Carl Sagan said, science is also a way of thinking. This way of thinking takes rationality, skepcitism, empiricism and critical thinking, none of which are atribbutes of faith.

@pcb8059

3 жыл бұрын

@@Filipe9171 Yes youre right, but for me, its a false dilemma only from the context of my anti-science american culture. Its doing more damage to (popular) science to use science as an atheist platform. The skizm and damage done to Society is measurable , when a science minded person will discover the conflicts in thier own time when they are prepared for it, instead of a science authority telling them. The enlightenment era theists were able to confront it and compromise thier theology and make it fit within Naturalism, only after so many years of investigating it, instead of confronting the conflict on thier first day. The result was Progress, Modernity, and Liberal Society being accepted by mainstream society

@spanke2999

3 жыл бұрын

@@pcb8059 ... religion is always a dead end. it's a dogma! Look at Christianity... they were left with the promise that the "end is near" ... and here they sit, 2,000 years later and still preach that one day... we all will rise... nothing has changed. they read the same stories over and over again, try reading it from every angle there is... and still... the stories are not really fitting. let's face it... those who are still sticking to religion... are lost "souls". indoctrinated beyond repair. They believe because they were taught so...and no argument will change that, not even when they are destroying the habitat they are living in.

Thank you so much to the second professor, that does sound more realistic...the new universe coming from the tunnelling of a previous universe, that makes sense. The first professor wasn't really able to give theories as to how our universe came into being, but I like the 2nd professor's argument. The question is though, how did THAT previous universe come into being? and then it might go on in a never-ending cycle of universes but where did the original universe come from? It's depressing stuff and brings out curiosity. Yes I never believed Christianity and Islam and all those religions because they just are silly, I'm sorry to say. But I like the 2nd professor's points.

Would u love God if u knew He existed? There's ppl that u know exist yet u do not love them... Let that sink in.

If something is here now, something had to always be here; for something can’t come from nothing.

@Aurealeus

Жыл бұрын

"Nothing" doesn't exist, if it did... that would be something.

God does not give up on humans. A lot of corrections have been made to the algorithm. Our consciousness is still growing up. Although we are not ready yet to understand some deep mysteries, we are progressing, however, surely and safely, closer to the truth.

Well, on the first account, “the first cause”. I don’t think there is a fallacy at all on that. Because as much as I am, this professor also just hopes on a scientific proof that there is a first cause aside from God. That is just ridiculous. Whether they find that first cause, they are merely pushing back the question. Its merely his pride that gets in the way. Aren’t all of us... atheist alike, bases our beliefs on hope and faith? I’d rather believe in God than not.

@elvancor

3 жыл бұрын

It's about the nature of that cause. If we, let's say, talk about something that caused time and matter to exist, that cause itself would have to be timeless and immaterial. There's no good reason to propose a consciousness to be such a cause, because according to all we know, every example of a consciousness we can observe requires time and matter to exist. It seems like a more reasonable position to think that a first cause would've been something much simpler. And no, proclaiming "God is infinitely simple!" would not solve the problem.

@MrDPerez

3 жыл бұрын

David Schilling Hello. Mr. David. I like how you put it that way, but aren’t even scientists and philosophers are perplexed and confounded of what consciousness is? “Consciousness” is merely a replacement word of what we think there is... you can replace the word “God” with “consciousness” if you like but there’s no denial as you have said that whatever lies beyond must be timeless and immaterial which the God of the bible clearly represents. Not being too simpleton but isn’t God easier to say than consciousness. I hope that we will have a good discussion here and respect one another. You have a great one Mr. David

@elvancor

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDPerez The god of the _bible_ - like all ancient deities - represents contemporary views, myths and superstitions. We're talking about a broader idea of God, as "the answer to the question of existence." You're free to define "God" as "that which caused time and matter to exist", even if it was something like a random quantum fluctuation. That might just be a little confusing, as most people connect a whole lot of other things to the word "God" which you don't get from this definition. Yes, we don't know everything about consciousness, yet. I said: according to everything we _do_ know, consciousness depends on time and matter. An anaesthetic can turn your consciousness off by intercepting material processes.

@chaseray8224

3 жыл бұрын

I hope for many things sure. My beliefs are not based on what I hope for, that would encourage bias. Faith on the other hand is utterly useless and is basically equivalent to gullibility. Unless you choose to redefine faith as trust based on experience. Like having faith that when I sit in a chair it will support me.

@MrDPerez

3 жыл бұрын

@@elvancor Good day Mr. David. I understand where you are coming from Are you a scientist by trade? Let me tell you now. As we get closer to what there is everything to know about consciousness, it will bring forth more unanswered questions that will then return full circle to God. On the other hand, may I invite you to listen to our bible expositions if you don't mind.

HI. I agree wholeheartedly with you last sentence but it may be incomplete. You will leave it to God on how He will show Himself, but do you have the eyes to see, the ears to hear, or the heart to understand? You might say do you mean they "mind" to understand? Will you only believe in your terms? Is complete understanding and knowledge a necessary requirement? If He shows Himself his way, will you acknowledge that it's Him? That seems to require a concept of God first to identify what is and what is not present. What is your concept of God?

I do feel that at the end of the day the argument we are having is the moral argument. That both sides believe that their side is the more moral system. Even the atheists who claim they are looking for the truth are looking, as the truth allows us to make the world a better place. If this is the case then maybe that would be the better argument to have. Who's system truly is the more moral?

What I would ask Peter is What kind of evidence would he need to believe in a creator first cause?

@covidmonster4195

3 жыл бұрын

He indicates at the end of the video that he does not know what will convince him. “If god exists and if god wants me to believe in god, it’s up to god to figure out how”

@chaseray8224

3 жыл бұрын

What Covid Monster said

@ihatespam2

10 ай бұрын

God knows yet doesn’t do it. What else do you need?

@wet-read

7 ай бұрын

I think something miraculous is in order, but not to a paltry number of people in a small region of the world. Show everyone alive at once.

Ask the wrong questions, reach the wrong conclusions.

@LetsConquerTheUniverseTogether

2 жыл бұрын

There is no definitive conclusion to that which is currently unfalsifiable.

I agree.....only from my witness perspective.....I see them...call them...and raise them.....x

In the late 18th century Immanuel Kant, in Critique of Pure Reason, put forth his theory of mind that made the claim that the human mind (and even the mosquito mind) can never know anything it is not designed to know and that our picture of the world is an incomplete picture and the only one the mind can produce. In CPR, the 12 Categories of Judgement, which have sub-categories, usually in combinations, account for everything anyone has seen, heard, felt, etc., and the relations we describe to things and motions. Some of the categories/sub-categories are important for how we picture the world but contain within them some flaws or contradictions, one being infinity: To think about for instance the scale of things we naturally extend the scale all the way up to the largest and down to the smallest even though we know at the same time that infinity can never be proven. Kant also noted that humans ask questions that can never be answered. Kant influenced Schopenhauer who influenced Nietzsche who went to far as to claim that reason and logic are arbitrary...fictions made up by humans as part of the struggle to survive. There is but the teenciest tiniest chance that the human mind is designed in such a way as to figure everything out or even figure out what questions to ask. Doesn't mean we give up....the struggle to survive continues....but we might want to exercise caution with regards over-extended theories. None of the Closer to Truth stuff is of interest in Japan which has a high tech mega economy, low crime rate, no litter, no graffiti, is very beautiful and generally very pleasant and filled with pleasant people who are culturally conservative, patriarchal and anti-commie (also has pretty girls who favor short dresses) and the whole culture is obsessed with Kawai (cuteness). Maybe Japan is Closer to the Truth.

Denis Alexander belives in God out of Job security and also sounds confused!

@perilouspoozer3749

3 жыл бұрын

There is a problem with the argument that everything that science discovers adds to the glory of god. The problem is that the God hypothesis is not necessary to explain anything that science has discovered thus far. In science, you don’t add explanations that are redundant.

Yeah, some mathematical formula will obviously solve our riddle of existence..

@justinwalker5441

3 жыл бұрын

Aletak 13 prove that he doesn’t then.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

What else could solve our riddle of existence?

@justinwalker5441

3 жыл бұрын

Aletak 13 that’s not a very strong argument. Your literally straw manning God by claiming something material or built of matter could not be moved by an all powerful God. If he wanted to make something unmovable then it would be until he changed his mind on the matter of course. Literally in this case. Lol but with that arguement you could look at it in too many ways so I find it weak.

@MrJakarr

3 жыл бұрын

I believe the riddle is solved with introspection - looking outside won't help - God as I understand it, requires a personal relationship.

@infinto1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 Be mindful of godel's incompleteness theorem

I think many people have a need to believe that the events of their lives aren't arbitrary and that the percieved dualism of good and evil is real and weighted to the good.

@cvdb2471

3 жыл бұрын

I think you are right. The "need to believe" gives people a sense of purpose however, unfortunately this does not make any such belief true.

The Bible tells us faith comes from God. So it is up to God to give it to us. I had faith, from my upbringing, indoctrination, and inculcation. That faith ended and is totally no more. If God exists, any faith must come from him. I don't expect it to come.

When you you think that the modernized version of Aquinas 5 ways is the Kalam and then cant even state it correctly and then say you are an expert🤦‍♂️

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

Aquinas 5-way, Aristotle' unactualized actualizer, kalam or whatever - it doesn't matter, they're all based on weak premises that theists treat as dogma.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 Aquinas was a great number theory expert, he figured out ultimate secret of universe. He figured out universe is not the same if you add all stuff 1 by 1 or if you use multiplication. We have a proof for that, if you could add all things that exist, by the time you finished your calculation universe will became larger. But if you multiply things, this method is faster because it rely on logical patterns and universe stay the same size.

@williamkeller5541

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 That's debatable but the fact is he didn't even state the premises correctly which makes his critique a straw man.

Right, so believing God exists is ignorant but believing he doesn't is enlightened? Oh the irony!

@bobbysanchez6308

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think there’s any enlightenment that comes with not believing in something that has been imposed on civilization for thousands of years.

@MegaMan01

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobbysanchez6308 But can you unequivocally prove that God doesn't exist?

@cvdb2471

3 жыл бұрын

@MasterChief - I don't think this video or anyone makes a value judgement of either believing or not believing in a God. The question is whether you want to find out the truth about how things really are, or if you would rather settle for an illusion that gives you a sense of purpose, hope and comfort in your life.

@MegaMan01

3 жыл бұрын

Have you watched the video? The professor at the beginning makes a pretty clear value judgement to me. Who said anything about an illusion, and can you prove the idea of God is merely just an illusion, or are you placing your own value judgment on others? There's nothing wrong with being inquisitive to find out more, but it seems you carry the assumption that all theists don't like to understand more about the way things are.

@stuartashcroft4251

3 жыл бұрын

Bobby Sanchez imposed? What planet are you living in?

Peter's alleged humility on this question stings. The evidence for God is so overwhelming that Peter's supposed openness to His existence is just a facade. Scripture notes this condition as "suppressing the truth in unrighteousness." The fact is the very words that Peter uses can't be objectively understood apart from God's existence; hence the very act of honestly questioning His reality is in fact questioning reality itself--which is the very definition of insanity.

Please could you segment and 'sunspot' each separate interview moment with a Yellow and Black screen? Black interview ID text on yellow glowing screen.

God was accidentally blown up when he lit the big bang. RIP.

@jamese9283

3 жыл бұрын

That is actually quite funny and I am a believer. Like the mad scientist that blows himself up. I could guess by your avatar that you are a militant atheist. However, you are professing your blind faith in matter and energy if you believe that hydrogen gas + time = everything on Earth.

@SuperFactsonly

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamese9283 This thing we call energy is what fascinates me. An invisisible man in the sky who is billions of years old doesn't do it for me.

@jamese9283

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperFactsonly Aha! I knew you were a pantheist! (just kidding) God is obviously not a man, however he does have an invisible attribute like your energy, and he is older than old like your energy, so apparently you are anti-persons and it is not clear what DOES do it for you. By the way, I have learned a lot from old men. [you said "inv isis ible" ISIS Freudian slip? :-)]

@MrBilgey

3 жыл бұрын

exactly - God played with a chemistry set, blew up the chemistry set and cleared off without cleaning up the mess.

Peter Atkins has a British accent so we can trust him. Also he’s surrounded by books. Case closed. 🤓🧐😏

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

He is not asking for anyone to trust him.

@Ploskkky

3 жыл бұрын

@rs5352 ... and what is more important everything he says makes perfect rational sense, as opposed to the irrational, fantastical theistic ramblings we hear from the other side of the fence.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

@Dylan Martens Unless the "religious sewer rat" can find the only escape from this religious confinement.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

Hey.. I'm surrounded by books too. But the book case is always open ( for more books !)

@christiansoldier77

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ploskkky Nothing creating everything can never make sense

Excellent 👌👍

These were great conversations and as with every video in this series I am grateful for the insights. Listening to these interviews from people whose default position is they do not believe in God, leaves their arguments against theists as broad generalisations and dismissive without actually dealing with the specific arguments. The high point of the absence of integrity in dealing with this was around 26:40 with the reference to media sponsored suggestions of miracles, and the respondent's comment that his default position is 'I don't believe it." This sounds like a very unscientific approach. He then goes on to accept that God does send some miracles but somehow the existence of fake miracles somehow tarnishes them all? Certainly the world is full of false prophets and fake miracles, so skepticism is justified, but why not look just at the miracles that have been scientifically verified? Such as the the eucharistic miracle at Buenos Aires; the Shroud of Turin, and the Tilma of Guadaloupe. The most promising comment came at the end when Lawrence says if God exists He will have to work out how to prove it to Lawrence. That is the key, with a humble and contrite heart ask God to reveal Himself to you. He absolutely will; and He will do it in His own way and in His own time and, I suspect, in a very unique way for you.

Atkins is so arrogant😄Of course science doesn´t give any meaning to the “why” of existence but it does give us information as to the “how” of the material world we can observe.

This show is sanity saving

The fact that nature in some way created entities within itself that are aware of themselves, and their surroundings....able to observe and measure this nature.... but not able to understand how this phenomenon exists at all, gives the God hypothesis tremendous ground.

@ryandinan

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. It's just another "god of the gaps" argument. "We don't know how, therefore, god." A plausible reason you even consider the idea of god, is because you've heard someone else make the claim that a god (or gods) exist - or you were exposed to religion in some form. Imagine for a moment, an isolated group of humans that are raised with just the scientific knowledge we currently have about the universe - they are completely unaware of any theological ideas, texts, etc. They would still be confronted with the same unanswered questions we have - but they would not have the pre-existing notion of "supernatural" as even a possibility to consider. Would they rely on the scientific method to continue searching for answers? Would they invent their own ideas of "god"? These very tough questions may indeed never have a conclusive answer - and that really bothers people (including myself). But that isn't evidence for the existence of a god or gods. But... could they exist? Sure, I guess so. But how can I be convinced of an idea with no good evidence? I for one, am not fooled by emotional or personal experience - but many people are - primarily because most people have been exposed to religious ideas and frankly, it's easier for them to offload these questions onto god, rather than wrestle with them mentally.

@gregariousguru

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryandinan well that's mighty arrogant of you to come to that conclusion. However, anthropology studies like at Oxford have shown that children believe in a higher power regardless of outside influence. Other studies have shown that its our genes to believe in God. So your rambling not only rings hollow, your arrogance falls short!

@gregariousguru

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryandinan it seems to me you are one that confuses proof with evidence, along with an arrogant approach.

@gregariousguru

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryandinan God of the gaps accusations usually always stem from the presuppositions the atheist already has towards what God is. This is usually a result of anti religion hate. But if blind chance is really the explanation for all this, I ask you, what properties does this imaginary concept consist of?

@ryandinan

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregariousguru I did not intend to come across as arrogant; that's one of the many reasons online discussions fall flat - people seem to apply whatever "tone" they feel. Anyways, your point about the idea that children possess an inate belief in a higher power is something I've followed with interest. There are as many studies that show the opposite; that these "beliefs" are, in fact caused by exposure to religious ideas. However, humans in general tend to have a preference for believing religious ideas, simply because they seem to satisfy the majority of minds. Now that we find ourselves in an era of practically unlimited access to the world's best scientific knowledge, record numbers of people are identifying as "nonreligious" and are leaving the church they were raised in. It's now easier than ever for the masses to learn answers to questions that once were firmly in the theological domain. I don't claim to have answers to the biggest and deepest questions (i.e., "Why is there something rather than nothing?") - but I'm comfortable with saying "I don't know." People that claim there is a god or a higher power need to provide some compelling evidence to convince my mind - and so far, I have not heard or seen any. For now, I feel that science may eventually provide those answers, as difficult as they may be to understand. Claiming that, "this God did it." isn't really answering anything. Where's the evidence for this God? How do we know it's properties? How does this explain things, rather than shift the question? (What caused God's existence?) If you're going to claim that this God is eternal, then you can just as easily say that the cosmos is eternal. But notice that science doesn't say that - it aims to find evidence of that, not just make an assertion.

Bernardo Kalstup blows this first guy out of the water

You can't prove it, you don't need to... Have a relationship with Divine IAM and experience it for yourself 💖

@urasam2

3 жыл бұрын

I have a relationship with Superman. Does that mean he is real?

@jaymz1999

3 жыл бұрын

Phoenix What separates you from an imbecile knowing he is communicating with Napoleon?

@royc998

3 жыл бұрын

Pray tell oh wise one which god should I have a relationship with?

@AtheistCook

3 жыл бұрын

You have a religious experience in any religion, rock concerts and laboratories when all the proper conditions are there

Thanks this has some valid points, of course fallacies can be found in the God hypothesis, everyone knows that, but please can we have a video explaining the fallacies of an atheistic world view. No matter how convincing something is it's always good to challenge the premise of our oppositions to provide balance.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

Can you name one such fallacy?

@briang8766

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 of course he can't name one. There aren't any!

@kristofftaylovoski60

3 жыл бұрын

. "It's angry and makes me sad", "it does not provide me order and meaning", "This is all too nice and beautiful not to have an creator"...These are but a few fallacies of the atheistic world view..

@goldentwilight1944

3 жыл бұрын

@@kristofftaylovoski60 This is, of course, an emotive and superficial objection I will give you that, but I must point out that such an objection is possible from both sides of the argument that has always been the case.

@goldentwilight1944

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 1: If objective moral values exist, then atheism does not provide an adequate framework in which to ground such values. 2: Atheism does not account for the staggering mathematical improbability of the existence of sentient life forms 3: Atheism has a tendency to provide overly simplistic and surface value explanations

2.13 : And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.

@salahshinigamiamv9814

3 жыл бұрын

May Allah bless you وَقَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يَعۡلَمُونَ لَوۡلَا يُكَلِّمُنَا ٱللَّهُ أَوۡ تَأۡتِينَآ ءَايَةٞۗ كَذَٰلِكَ قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبۡلِهِم مِّثۡلَ قَوۡلِهِمۡۘ تَشَٰبَهَتۡ قُلُوبُهُمۡۗ قَدۡ بَيَّنَّا ٱلۡأٓيَٰتِ لِقَوۡمٖ يُوقِنُونَ Those who have no knowledge also say, ‘If only God would speak to us!’ or ‘If only a miraculous sign would come to us!’ People before them said the same things: their hearts are all alike. We have made Our signs clear enough to those who have solid faith. -Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayah 118 (2:116) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@thelivingcross3785

3 жыл бұрын

@@salahshinigamiamv9814 Watch Sam. He refutes Islam.

Out of the population of 8 billion people living on earth, most of whom believing in some sort of god, only 122K had the occasion to watch this video in 2 years. This explains why Mark Twain was right when he said: “It’s Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” They don't even wander if they have been fooled or not.

God doesn’t exist till the theists brings up the evidence for god existence .

@michaeljacobs5342

3 жыл бұрын

The gift of life from nothing less than a grain of sand, is evidence enough.

There are no gods. There is us.

The reason why we don't think as if we are in the world made up of visible atoms or who don't just live in a technical unconscious robot world is because we are here in the right place in the natural universe being on a higher level of divinity

Who wouldn’t want to believe that you will see your loved ones after you die? I am sad at the thought that my children,my husband and I will one day go our separate ways into whatever. It breaks my heart and sometimes I sob. But I still cannot believe what has yet been proved- the existence of the supernatural. Truth is too important to me. I appreciate every day here, instead of living for a supposed future in heaven. It’s not real.

@bcbennet1

Жыл бұрын

How do you explain the millions of documented supernatural events in human history? The growing amount of universities giving upper-graduate degrees for studies of the supernatural/paranormal? Even the US government finally admitted to "aerial phenomenon" that is unexplained by natural laws of science. There is actually a mountain of evidence pointing in the direction of not only evidence for God's existence and the Bible's truthfulness; but the very fact you took the time to consider the answer to your question about this is evidence of its truthfulness. A truly legitimate question--has the answer embedded in it!....or as Jefferson noted there really is "self-evident truth."

@sew_gal7340

Жыл бұрын

Just believe, nothing wrong with it...dont let these hater atheists make you feel like you are invalidated in your beliefs, they don't know anything. Look at the first guy being interviewed, he sees pious folks as beneath him...hes an arse hole who sees the world in black and white...no nuance, no romance, no soul or spirit...worthy of pity.

@ihatespam2

10 ай бұрын

Forever? No thanks. What if your moms heaven is to be twenty again? Youll be just as sad as you were before you were born. Not at all.