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I never tire of Douglas Murray. He is so honest and intelligent.

@nigecheshire9854

4 жыл бұрын

Julie is he a gate keeper?

@seanmoran6510

4 жыл бұрын

Coolio 14 What does that mean ?

@Jide-bq9yf

4 жыл бұрын

Julie you and me both ( Julie ) always loved that name .

@nomore5668

4 жыл бұрын

@@nigecheshire9854 Ask him

@nigecheshire9854

4 жыл бұрын

@no more He’s never replied

Douglas Murray is one of the rare intellectuals who can express his views, however polemic, without being vilified, chastised and hung by the media. Why? Because his argument is honest, accurate, logical and highly intelligent. I’m a lesbian and I agree with EVERYTHING Douglas says of the LGBT community as well as his fantastic points on the demise of Western Culturalism. I would love to see him run the country!!

I am one of the 'alphabet people' but I live a secluded life. And I am grateful for it. Calling the whole thing a community is a criminal misuse of the word. Even people belonging to the same letter have no reason to have anything in common with each other. We are lumped together for political reasons and that's not a community. It's a rally.

@khymaaren

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr. Perezident I am saying that collectively calling all the LGBTQ+ people a community is a misnomer. We don't all live in the same place and there is not one characteristic or "agenda" that would tie us ALL together. Even talking about only us, "the gays" as a community is directly insulting. It's somewhat like as if having blue eyes would immediately put me in close quarters with all the other people in the world who also happen to have blue eyes. Just no. It's sometimes called the LGBTQ+ Movement. Stick with that. That's more descriptive of what it actually is, at least in terms of politics.

@stephencollins2604

3 жыл бұрын

Identity politics gone mad, check out Jordan Peterson on the post modernist Marxists and what they are doing, I would recommend the Joe rogan interviews, they are very enlightening, ✌️

@khymaaren

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephencollins2604 I've read 'The Madness of Crowds', Peterson's latest is in the queue and I've been binging videos with both Murray and Peterson. I think I'm on the right track. :)

@stephencollins2604

3 жыл бұрын

@@khymaaren I am too :) I am also trying to share the videos as widely as possible with people, There will be a tipping point and things will swing back and get better Although I think it will get a lot worse before it does. 👍

@SkaterBlades

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, i separate the community from the people. Anyone who leans right politically is shunned by the community, as are people who don't believe we're oppressed and people who don't buy into the modern gender ideology with things like non binary suddenly appearing everywhere when that idea wasn't even discussed 5 or 6 years ago. The community is a political group, not a social space. Along with the internal conflicts described in this video and all of the fights observed by anyone who's ever been involved with it, it's one of the most toxic spaces to be in. I see alot of hate thrown towards gay men for a multitude of reasons, the most common thing just being that they are cis men. There's also the issue i find where people who wouldn't have been considered lgbt are moving into it too, i knew a guy who used male pronouns, said he was non binary and dated women in an lgbt group. To me it makes no sense that they'd be there

I always said, LGB and T are two different groups, should not be discussed together. As for L,G, and B, i think, they can join together in terms of fight for their rights, marriage, for example. Ts should have access every the treatment of their choice but after they become adults eligible to give a consent. Hormons to kids is a child abuse.

@Gaiden-Shinji875

4 жыл бұрын

The Ts just hijacked the LGB movement and made it about themselves. They pretend that they have suffered the same, and behave like they are also responsible for the accomplishments that members of LGB have worked for over the decades. They're a very vocal, and extreme, minority that have stepped in and used the support for LGB rights to focus on the Ts rights. Demanding people use their pronouns, stopping women from openly discussing their pregnancies at work, expecting free loans/grants towards surgery, and other unreasonable expectations etc. I tell you, with each new day I'm feeling like our planet is becoming more alien to me 🤔 it's almost a crime to be a straight, white man in today's society

@patrickchoque7720

4 жыл бұрын

I think hormone blockers should be considered absolutely fine since they basically just delay shit, nothing that can’t be reversed- but yeah tbf although I don’t really care enough at all to ever impose it on anyone, personally I don’t know how much sense it makes for children to be taking testosterone or oestrogen until like at least 16 or a reasonable cutoff age like that. But then again, you’ve just got to think like each case is different, and it’s not great to be imposing stuff on people.

@stewstewnonyo9377

4 жыл бұрын

A lot of you in this comment thread are hella TERF-y. Trans people get to stand with the LGBT community because they fought for LGB rights, as well as we have for them.The LGBT community isn’t about sexuality. It’s a community formed because people who weren’t heterosexual weren’t given a place in society.

@stewstewnonyo9377

3 жыл бұрын

Croft Miller it’s not T lore? There’s a history behind it. Look at harlems ballroom scenes, marsha p Johnson, the stonewall riots, anywhere you look there’s been trans people in solidarity of our movement. It’s funny because if you look back over history only the white gays were being given space in society, especially the rich ones. They then often discriminated against people from their own community because they weren’t white; again, there’s a whole history of this - you can research where so-called LGBT clubs of predominantly gay men were throwing out POC and trans people, to disassociate with them. The list goes on. There plenty of reason as to why historically transgenders have fought to be a part of the LGBT. The LGBT is a community of people who weren’t, and sometimes still aren’t, given recognition and equality by the heterosexual majority in all parts of the world. It’s not a group made just for sexuality. Like I said there’s an entire history behind it that you can research but you’re clearly choosing ignorance.

@stewstewnonyo9377

3 жыл бұрын

Croft Miller I didn’t say Marsha was trans. I said that it’s not T lore, and that you need to look into the history, then I listed names. The reason I listed Marsha is because she helped found the transvestites action revolution, therefore showing that they’ve always been a part of our fight with equality as part of our community, so again I don’t know why you conflated that argument out of what I’ve said- makes no sense.

I’m gay and I support this message.

@andybray9791

6 ай бұрын

Clause 28 should have been kept I admit

Douglas, I have watched at least 50 of your interviews, and you certainly are witty. However, you are in rare comedic form in this one. Bravo!

@ChrisWillx

4 жыл бұрын

Blame it on the host?

@megg.6651

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisWillx perhaps....

The word " community " needs to stop being used when referring to people with regard to a particular common identifier - it's connotations are bogus : there is simply a *populace* of any types of people

@theintervention1447

4 жыл бұрын

Although invoking a (mis) interpretation of Bible texts - or ANY other religious book for that matter - on the issue of homosexuality is de facto passive-aggressive wishing harm on people - the sports person Israel Folau should not have been sacked for refering to what he *believes* happens in the * afterlife * . Its easy to vilify individuals who propogate this idea but if you are concerned about incitement of anti- gay hate - either ban or at least edit the religious books themselves ! In a free world the only censoring of such media should be for age / context appropriateness . UK MEP Ann Widdicombe's recent remark shows exactly why the claim about a gay gene as defence for homosexuality wont change bigots minds : they will just say its a defect - find a cure . Bigots need to research how to mind their own business. Theres perhaps a gene for why some people like marmite - but no ones asking to research that with a view to cure it . Still - wont stop those who dont like it thinking its 'wrong' ' weird' etc to like it. ~ The word gay suffices to refer to non heterosexuality : it does not inherently mean homosexual men. The significance of having words simply to acknowledge non-heterosexuality is that heterosexuality is the de fault assumption regarding sexuality. The only choice involved in our sexual orientation is to choose to be * honest* - or not - about it. Its important to acknowledge that anti gay sentiment is just one expression of the bad attitude all people can have towards others consensual sexuality including gay people towards *other* gay people- whether in or out the closet : yes its hateful prejudice to conflate straight/ heterosexual with homophobic . Recognising this puts things in perspective and context . Its only unacceptable when people express their attitude in an * unduly * discriminatory or abusive and violent way. But no - no one 'celebrates ' others consensual sexuality . Celebrate * honest * sexuality. Buggery was illegal in the UK for heterosexuals too although interpretations of laws on gross indecency or similar were invoked to proscribe against other sex acts between men . The bad attitude has been enshrined in common religion which proscribes against consensual sexuality thst affects everyone in some way - including self pleasure . Religion is a device used simply to give supernatural backing to egotistic ambitions ie trying to stop others fun when a person doesnt feel free to pursue this themselves : misery loves company Religious exponents don' t object to ' love ' but the sex bit . They say 'hate the sin not the sinner' : fine - as long as their views dont affect secular laws . Why let it bother you what they think ? The resentment straight men or women might feel towards gay people is from the ageless suspicion that gay men get easier / more sex than they do . In the past it was dealing with notions of a 'womans virtue' men had to contend with But now there's PC feminism demonising straight mens - and oppressing women's - sexuality under the ruse of protecting the 'vulnersble ' : if the element of feminazis had to admit some women enjoy exploiting the power of their sexuality it would elicit a less than 'sisterly' censure . Of course that understsnding is *not* to excuse anyone lashing out at gay people - but you can see why for eg they provocatively call for a straight pride party when gay sex is now supposed to be ''celebrated " : Gay people are seen as getting special exemptions re: expression of sexuality. Marriage should not be a legal catagory in secular law . Next of kin contracts should be available for people - involving however many people - that do not inimate anything about the sexual relation between them or - moreover - the morality of any . Religious institutions can conduct any blessing ceremonies that they are agreeable to only . However while the c of E is affiliated to the State it should be *compelled* to honour equality laws or separate. #separatechurchandState

@licketysplitz4241

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I hate when people use the word community, it makes those people seem like a hivemind! People should only speak for themselves.

@Anele1097

4 жыл бұрын

I just reread the definition of community to make sure that I didn't glitch out into some alternate universe where it means something else... According to your definitions, religious communities aren't a thing. Words have multiple meanings, including the meaning of "community" you reject.

@Anele1097

4 жыл бұрын

@Julia A community /kəˈmjuːnɪti/ noun 1. a group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common. 2. the condition of sharing or having certain attitudes and interests in common Pretty cut and dry, I think.

@Hippiekinkster

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno. I rather like being in the "Arctic Wolf Glacial Blue Eyes" community. It's far more satisfying than being in the "Arrogantly Took Differential Equations Exams With a Pen" community. Might as well be in fuckin' MENSA.

Douglas Murray is awesome. From an old school liberal - common sense over prejudice or wokeness.

@LolLol-ch7sl

4 жыл бұрын

wokeness is liberalism

@yerinchang8118

3 жыл бұрын

Lol Lol No. Wokeness is, quite literally, illiberal. It’s just far left.

@dopeeastbeats6350

2 жыл бұрын

@@yerinchang8118 fuck the far left and the far right

It's honesty quite simple to understand. We were making progress with regards to gender and sex dynamics; we weren't there, but we were close. But coming close to resolving an issue is NOT good for politics; you always gotta create problems, so you can come in and solve them, validating why you should be in power. It's like a dance; you start in a spot, you move some where else with a series of movements, and then you move back to that same square. There's NOTHING people love more than to be victimized, to be in a comfortable cycle, and the sense of accomplishment from accomplishing something, then destroying it and starting over. It's bloody human nature, oozing out in the form of this new fad.

As a gay man I never done the scene much. It is toxic to me. 🙃

@ashdog236

Жыл бұрын

Same

As a g myself I found this to be dead on accurate.

@nikkakikka6363

4 жыл бұрын

@Mustö Han most my gay friends can't stand Ls 😅

@keycuz

3 жыл бұрын

Your all P's. Some D's and really AA's.

"Among my many, many crimes..." Haha Douglas Murray is very funny here

@rabblerabbleRubble

3 жыл бұрын

Douglas Murray is actually hilariously funny. Perfectly executed British humour. It's a highly underrated part of his character and it helps when talking about serious topics like this.

@daleskidmore1685

3 жыл бұрын

@@rabblerabbleRubble Lady Beatrice Counterblast, nee Clissold, lol.

The "T's are making this journey longer than it needs to be -Dave Chapelle 🤣🤣

@mOOnpEEls

3 жыл бұрын

where does he say that?

@fatetestarossa2774

2 жыл бұрын

@@mOOnpEEls bathroom break part ON THE car travel

Keep pissing on it,Douglas.No one does it better.You are absolutely right about the fiction of the 'Gay Community'.

@flazeda8743

4 жыл бұрын

Every type of community is a fiction except for a family and even this one doesn't hold on sometimes. We're all on her own whatever any part of our identity.

@jeffersonratliff2242

4 жыл бұрын

Flaze Da it’s real!

I like this man's line of thought. Articulate delivery and well considered. Need to watch more videos

@itechcrush9118

4 жыл бұрын

Well, it is a conveyed message designed to get support from people like you. Remember that it's all based on opinion, it does not necessarily reflects the reality as a whole.

As a Bi, I'd say your assessment is what I've lived. What is odd is that we tend to pair up with either of the monosexualities instead of each other.

@gregorymendoza5437

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was my experience too. I met my wife a few years ago and she’s a straight conservative Christian. One of our first conversations when we were becoming friends was about my bisexuality since I didn’t want to hide it and she was really cool about it in a way that one would figure the LGBT community would be but aren’t really.

@skurinski

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregorymendoza5437 I think its cause 99% of bi people just choose to life a straight life, so they dont really see you as part of a the community

@matthewkopp2391

2 жыл бұрын

I have identified as bisexual since 16, the best relationships I have had are with bisexual women. I have experienced some misunderstandings from straight women which I really don’t want to live through again. And I don’t particularly like most of gay culture and gay culture has spread the most misinformation against bisexual men. The bisexual men I have met who are in same gender relationships have had a really hard time being isolated in the gay community.

@mikemcmullin149

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewkopp2391 When I was 16 no one knew what a bisexual was, the conversation was damagingly Str8/Homosexual.

@matthewkopp2391

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikemcmullin149 That was 100% intentional and by design. Read the gay manifesto, it says even though bisexual exist everyone should call themselves gay. In 1910 Freud and Hirschfeld knew, and wrote about it and said it’s normal, in the late 1940’s Kinsey knew wrote about it said it’s normal, The gay community knew, they began suppressing the information in the late 60’s. In the 60’s the most open visible LGBT men on television were bisexual including Gore Vidal, James Baldwin, and Paul Goodman and even Allan Ginsberg called himself Queer because he also had intermittent relationships with women but mostly long term men but was also in a bisexual poetry circle of friends who were “straighter” like Kerouac. Joe Dallesandro from the Warhol factory, almost all of his long term relationships were in opposite gender relationships but the gay press just called him gay. Lou Reed, David Bowie eventually were just understood as straight. The list goes on and on and on. The fact that Murray continues this is gross, and cruel, he doesn’t really know how much he is doing damage to peoples lives. But he is. But apparently if we say anything we are being irate and blowing things out of proportion. Who cares, right? Well a friend lost his job and his wife and was subjected to ten years of public ridicule (he was a tv reporter) and the took his life last year. People like Murray really cares for no one but himself.

And yes! I love everything about Douglas Murray. Sharp mind, great sense of humor, manner of speaking and writing... get his book if you care what kind of world your kids will be living in.

Its such an interesting point though, what started off as a future gay man or lesbian ends up being a heterosexual trans person. Talk about a " pill" that gets rid of homosexuality. Interesting fact as well, I have a Moroccan friend that tells me that in Morocco they are against homosexuality but not trans.

@Lioralon1

4 жыл бұрын

In Iran they force gay men to transition, as well. I guess it's some kind of religious mind-gymnastics that makes homosexuality OK or something. It's really horrible.

@MargaritaKatrenko

4 жыл бұрын

Sexual preference is about sex, not gender. If you are a male who has sex with another male, you are homosexual, no matter the "gender" of the people involved. So there is no such thing as a "heterosexual trans".

@CoolGirl-di2rs

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Dat That's because trans makes sense unlike homosexuality. If you don't have gender dysphoria you shouldn't be acting like the opposite sex.

@CoolGirl-di2rs

4 жыл бұрын

Lioralon1 It's not horrible at all. If you're a biological man and wanna act like a woman then get a sex change. End of story.

@CoolGirl-di2rs

4 жыл бұрын

Margarita Katrenko Trans people for the most part are heterosexual. There are some trans people that consider themselves gay.

Reading between the lines, Douglas is a good old fashioned gay like myself...

Douglas Murray and Peter Hitchens are the two most productive British thinkers alive today.

@rewdwarf123

4 жыл бұрын

@Trouble Came Calling Oh. They don't - think - in the right - way

@Daimo83

4 жыл бұрын

Productive at drawing attention to problems in society. Should commentators even offer solutions?

@mikanfarmer

4 жыл бұрын

@historypoliticsbb Correct, .......but highlighting them is.

@Jide-bq9yf

4 жыл бұрын

Daimo hearing that always reminds me , of the fallen member of the trinity ; Roger Scruton .

@Jide-bq9yf

4 жыл бұрын

historypoliticsbb he’s a miserable sod very true . 😊

Nobody ever asked me if I wanted to belong to this group & going on recent events, I certainly want nothing to do with them. I had an opinion on BLM in a comments section the other day, that was contrary to the accepted wisdom & I was immediately asked if I was LGBT, or supposedly my opinion didn't matter, I replied, "No, I'm human, thank you!".

Brilliant conversation. Thanks. I've often said that so many trans-identified males dress cartoonishly when trying to look female.

Just today many of my Gay friends were once again telling how they are fed up with the Trans. It was something about getting Moroccan men in trouble, a Sofia Taloni...

@benjaminreyes3624

4 жыл бұрын

I heard about that smh its ridiculous

@thegreatalyssa

4 жыл бұрын

@ungratefulmetalpansy I've never heard them mention it. I've been in entertainment all my 51 years and I haven't heard of it either.

As a gay man myself, I know being gay is objectively not that big of a part of you, it's not a character trait. Inflating it because one wants to make it a big part of ones personality will leave them mostly unfulfilled as a result.

I was a tomboy with occasional girlie tendencies. I know several women who were the same and who, like me, grew up to be heterosexual women perfectly comfortable with their femininity. Some of us can still throw a mean football too. 😁 What a step backward for us to tell our young people that they might not be REAL boys or girls if they don’t exactly conform to gender stereotypes.

@genxer74

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

In my experience, the closer someone identifies with the LGBT community, the unhappier they are, and a lot of the comments on this video seem to bear that out

Great interview, Douglas is one of the best minds in Britain today

I'm a tomboy and perfectly happy about it. I'd hate to think how I'd have turned out if I was born 20 years later, yikes! And, though I have met a genuinely transgender lady and am completely supportive of her life, I do find this whole wearing some markup and feminine clothes while very obviously a man behaving like a complete wanker demanding to be called a woman really annoying. And disrespectful to truly trans people. Besides, I thought gender was just a construct according to them so why is everyone's panties in such a bunch about being called a word that supposedly is meaningless... Yet simultaneously capable of "violence". What the actual F, guys?

@llamaliammm

3 жыл бұрын

I used to think as you did too, then i watched some contrapoints yt vids and she has truly opened up my eyes to the issues of transgenderism. The topic is truly quite thorny for the mere fact that no single societal group is a monolith, but what contrapoints videos abt trans ppl did was to humble down my own opinions. I think thats the real danger - thinking that our opinions/ judgements (yes we all judge despite what pc culture villifies) is the fact. We often think we've perceived a certain issue so thoroughly that in our arrogance we neglect reality. I encourage you to watch some of contrapionts discussion on transgenderism, very interesting and it showed me how much to the multi-faceted topic if nvr thought abt

@John1873--

2 жыл бұрын

@@llamaliammm I stupidly took you up on your suggestion of Contrapoints. What a load of garbage.

Discussing, arguing & debating adult rights in sexuality (or any other realm), is fine. Transposing (no pun intended) those debates into actual medical intervention of children, is totally fucked up! We are children for such a short time and adults for evermore - what is the hurry! Medical scientific facts coincide perfectly with generations of observable behaviour - children are mentally, emotionally & physically immature. They change their minds and/or perceived passions almost monthly - every parent knows this. They don't comprehend so much of the world around them and are very susceptible to manipulation & indoctrination. During pubity there are massive physiological changes that effect the brain & body - this is hard science. Mentally and emotionally, teenagers are on a roller coaster; hormones are flooding the body; nerve pathways are developing. Every parent has seen this, we don't need studies. So, if your 13 year old comes home one day and says I think I'm a boy trapped in a female body, go with it, discuss it, seek counseling, whatever..... but let pubity and biological development take it's course until at least 17 or so. We know, medically and anecdotally, that in those 4 short years the child/budding adult will most likely change in every way, shape, form & ideas...... if not, only then should further medical interventions be considered. What is the bloody hurry! The chances of irreversibly ruining that young persons life are huge - all for what? To be seen as politically progressive, to see your experimental agenda through? The fact that medical interventions are being performed on 8 and 9 year olds is perverse - no, it's child abuse!

@arranpattison5809

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Muller Absolutely right! It is abusive of the highest degree... Future generations will look to this time as one of the craziest, most perverse, child predicating times in human history... Unless we don't stop going down this rabbit hole of course, then it will just bed seen as the start of it. Reminds me of the chorus of that manic street preachers song: "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next." Crazy times indeed!

@GF-qb3uo

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Woke Munchausen by proxy.

@KeiosKod

4 жыл бұрын

These people are probably the same kind of people who would have advocated that “medical treatment” of drilling holes into a person’s skull to cure mental illnesses if they had been born into those times. They go whole hog into these fads and ruin people’s lives to get high on the feeling of moral superiority and progressivism.

@Anele1097

4 жыл бұрын

Puberty isn't what matures you, experience is. That's why puberty blockers are what is recommended to trans kids (after exhaustive medical and psychiatric vetting from trained professionals) so that once they have the ability to make the decision themselves they can begin taking hormones and transition or let puberty take its course. Not doing this provably harms trans individuals later on in life due to the dramatic physiological changes that take place over puberty that require magnitudes more corrections once they have taken place than if the waiting period were allowed in the first place. This idea that a kid offhandedly says "I think I'm a boy" and is immediately carted off to the sex change factory is ridiculous scaremongering fiction.

@GF-qb3uo

4 жыл бұрын

​@@Anele1097 In a perfect world, perhaps you'd be right; unfortunately, that's not the world we live in. The first issue is that, from a physical and hormonal standpoint, puberty quite literally is what matures you. The spike in hormones humans go through fundamentally changes their body and mind. That's why puberty, especially when paired with counseling, is associated with desistance from gender dysphoria (GD), with, depending on the study, 80%+ of GD sufferers desisting at puberty. Yes, you're right; if the patient falls withing the ~20% that persist, allowing puberty will present additional challenges later. But the likelihood is far greater that the patient's GD will be resolved without permanent, irreversible medical intervention; that's why some schools of GD therapy don't advocate either puberty blockers and social transitioning. Second, puberty blockers are not just a simple "pause" on development. They impact long term fertility and physical development, so their use is not without negative impact. Additionally, in most instances they are used in combination with the start of social transitioning, so they are the start of a particular treatment pathway, and one that once started tends to continue. Given the prevalence of desistance, there is therefore a high likelihood of pushing a patient down a treatment pathway that is not appropriate, and won't yield the best outcomes. Third, your argument assumes that the medical and psychiatric professionals are without bias. Based on the debate within the community on different treatment models, with some advocating the aforementioned "watch and wait" school to see if they desist with puberty, and others advocating aggressive treatment and transitioning as early as possible, that's not a supportable position. The paper at the link presents a well balanced discussion of the topic, and is where I've pulled material, as well as containing links to source material and other discussions on the matter. www.genderhq.org/trans-children-gender-dysphoria-desistance-gay

Really good insights from Douglas.

I'm a gay man, and my best friend of ten years is a lesbian. We know everything about each other and have shared many good times together. It's not been my experience that gays and lesbians don't get along.

@katiemiaana

4 жыл бұрын

yeah he's like milo on this, very rigid thinking, 'you can't like men and women' and 'the gays hate the lesbians', sadly (because i think it would simpler) i think life is a bit more complex

@stewstewnonyo9377

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@milkandblue

3 жыл бұрын

Same! I’m a femme lesbian and I’ve always had more gay men as friends, people think all lesbians are masculine 😂

@milkandblue

3 жыл бұрын

Forever Jung that’s a stereotype though, true in some instances but I’ve also met plenty of straight women who are more masculine 🤷‍♀️

I transitioned at 15 and had srs at 19. I’m currently 31 and feel a complete disconnect to trans rights activists. It’s a hard one to put into words because no natter how much I understand the push back from society/women, I still feel whole heartedly a woman through and through. It’s difficult because I transitioned so young, I was able to come of age at the same rate as my friends around me. It’s not till now and the want to have a baby that it hits me that I’m different. I think if I wasn’t trans myself then I’d be apart of the push back, especially when seeing this new influx of activism that isn’t even relatable to what transsexual even is. I will just carry on keeping my head down till this mess is over. We can all talk so much that we talk ourself stupid - That’s what I think is happening. Some things are just best left unexplained because like I said, I can’t even explain the feeling of being a woman myself.

@unnamed3932

Жыл бұрын

I can explain it, you are not a woman and never will be and have no idea of the embodied reality of being one. You have no idea what being a woman is so just stop insulting women by claiming to be something you are not.

So.. Douglas Murray is a new voice for me and I’m relieved to hear it.

He was very right about the b part, I’ve experienced a lot of that

Important to have these discussions even if it's difficult for us. The straight population seem to think LGBTIQ are of one mind but the reality is that we are as diverse in our thinking as are our sexualities and identities.

I remember when the T's where added to the LGB community. It wasn't because of any sexuality. It was because the T's didn't have enough people to get political force to make changes, so they made an alliance to help the LGB community in return for the LGB community to help them. Back then it was rare to see a trans person. Now, they include the transexuals, pansexuals, men who like dressing in women's clothing and more as Trans. They have taken fetishes and included them with Trans to amplify the trans community. And what I have always questioned, is the fact that the T's have always had the same rights as everyone else. Add in that they never ever accept themselves as women or men and refuse to stop calling themselves "trans" even after completing their transitioning.

I don't know what is going on in the West, but here in Russia, nothing of what he says is true. Bi people(I am a bisexual man myself) face stereotypes only from straights and are ok and accepted among gays and lesbians. LGB community here largely distances itself from trans folks, the biggest dating venues for gay people don't even have a T in the name. Even the relationship between gay and lesbian community is nothing like Douglas says, it's largely just apathetic towards each other's sexuality and friendly on all other accounts.

I was a tomboy growing up and did everything my older brother did. I am now happily married to my husband and we have three wonderful children. Just because a girl likes to play and dress as a boy, doesn’t mean she is a boy.

As someone who has been an out lesbian within the "LGBT" community within the last decade, this is all a VERY accurate description of how we all feel about each other 😂 (Well, at least the sane ones...)

Fuck this was funny! As a gay man who has nothing to do with the scene, I still found this to be on the money. Love Modern Wisdom, you do a great job man 👍

Next time someone asks me what would your super power be, I'm just going to say Douglas Murray's brain. What an incredible man he is, intelligent and articulate beyond my abilities, and uses it to put across his point of view. He's intelligent enough to listen to in a debate, open minded enough to take it on board, but has the ability to destroy his "enemies", with his intellect and knowledge, using facts, rationale and sense

What I find both very concerning (and revolting) is the rhetoric being spewed out by members of the trans community (particularly Male to Female that haven't have bottom surgery yet) against lesbians, accusing them of transphobia for not wanting to perform fellatio on them! Some of it, word for word, is right up there with conversion therapy concepts, and that horrifies me on so many levels.

@milkandblue

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

So pleasant to hear someone talk about the gay "community". I've seen this. I grew up in (or surrounded by) a lesbian community. I watched their interactions with gay men and he is spot on. Actually guys with a 'gentle old lady' spirit fit right in, but anyone else is no combination at all. Weird tensions and meanness would occur from people I'd never expect it from. Just opposite types, that need nothing from each other. I guess it just is what it is.

Can't remember his name (and I mean HIS name) - but there's a mediocre American cage fighter who decided some time ago that he was actually a woman - had some treatment or other, or maybe just put some lippy and a wig on - and was immediately allowed to get in the cage with the women fighters, whom he then proceded to beat up with ease. Revolting.

I'm an older straight bloke, if we really must identify that aspect of ourselves, but Douglas can ALWAYS be depended on for logical straight talking and downright common sense. This ridiculous mess the west seems to be in is really going to take take some sorting out and it's time to stand up and speak up.

Great video, thank you

"The alphabet people" ATF: am i a joke to you

"no one believed that the b's existed" Hhahahaha yeah...

@petretepner8027

4 жыл бұрын

@ThatWeirdCat Guy Gay when their girlfriend's on the rag. Or else straight when they need someone to take to dinner with Mum and Dad.

@davidmjackson7784

3 жыл бұрын

Save the bees else we all die. Lol.

@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath

3 жыл бұрын

Ken Aquino if they do exist in any Qty, Google has been censoring them for at least 11 years.

@rc0ll18

3 жыл бұрын

Bisexuals (of both sexes): says they like women, deep down likes men

@wendywoo7031

3 жыл бұрын

I exist! We do exist. For real 😁✌❤🇬🇧

Excellent and very accurate summary.

I can’t help but notice that Douglas only seems to agree to do KZread interviews with attractive young men. Anyway great stuff.

@ChrisWillx

4 жыл бұрын

@cosmic skeptic

@notgerhardnotrichter4951

4 жыл бұрын

He has good taste, no crime in that 😄

@notgerhardnotrichter4951

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisWillx He is hot af 😄

@ralphdavidson9542

4 жыл бұрын

John Anderson? Delingpole? Julia Hartley-Brewer? Joe Rogan?

@annelieswallace237

4 жыл бұрын

Skoto What an utterly stupid comment. E.g. Gad Saad , attractive young man?

As a male bisexual, I have to state that I am real. I have made my mind up a long time ago and I am sick and tired of the patronizing way many gay people view male bisexuals such as myself.

@lavan6298

3 жыл бұрын

being a bisexual woman, i agree wholeheartedly. there is rampant biphobia in the LGBT community and it makes me sick.

@clay777

2 жыл бұрын

I'm gay, and I do know that some people are bisexual. If a person can be straight and a person can be gay, then it makes since that a person can be bisexual.

@Madonnalitta1

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I've heard bi people being really insulted by gays. "There just confused/they don't want to commit to it"- that sort of thing. It's sad.

@Earl-Dumerest

11 ай бұрын

I think most gay people I know try to give bisexuals a big swerve, you are not known for your loyalty, only for your aggression.

I had a tomboy friend when I was young. She always said she wanted to be a boy. It was funny because we could practically get her to do anything if we said it was what _boys_ would do. Well, my friend is married now. To a man. And she's certainly not transexual and gay - or however that works...

I love Douglas Murray but what really made me laugh were the ceiling comments.

As a gay man. An older one, I have found lesbians no matter how much you have been generous to them. If one tiny miss step in your thinking they will all out despise you and accuse you of being classically a male. Which by the way they despise all males generally. Where gay men mostly like women just not sexually. Gay men like to dislike. Gay women like to hate. Gay men often feel their best friend is their mother. Gay women often see their mothers as saints and goddesses abandoned or abused by men.

Thats the problem when you posit all your worth into your social identity group, and how oppressed you are, rather than what you can offer to the market place place. postmodern nihilism and victimhood politics right there

Very interesting ty!

Identity politics are only of importance to the chattering classes. The rest of us are more interested in our jobs and families. Identity politics are a source of entertainment to us. We smile and even agree with you if our jobs are at risk but we mock you and think only fools could be that stupid.

@itechcrush9118

4 жыл бұрын

That's very accurate. lol

@MrCmon113

4 жыл бұрын

That you are here means that you are part of the "chattering classes", pleb.

That ceiling needs another coat.

@purplemonkey649

4 жыл бұрын

Lol...and maybe Douglas could use a 60w bulb.

@craigyoung6371

4 жыл бұрын

Ha ha, very observant!

@AnnabellaRedwood

4 жыл бұрын

I love your mind! 😀😂

Being transgendered goes against everything science has long acknowledged as fact. Biology uses XY sex-determination to classify you as a male or female. To then go against science and put rules in place which forbid you from calling someone a male, (despite that person's human biology indicating that they are male) sounds like we should completely disregard science altogether. To that end, my dental dysphoria dictates that I'd now like to be regarded as a talking toothbrush, who'd like nothing more than to replace the T in the LGBT community.

The saddest part of the internal struggle among the LGBTQA+ communities (not only us but targeted minority in general) is that we can't see far enough beyond our own noses to recognize the ONE thing that binds us all - we are ALL part of communities that have been (and continue to be) discriminated against, attacked, and targeted just for being who we are. We are more focused on our differences and picking each others battles apart then we are in uniting for the greater good (human rights and dignities for ALL!). If we were EVER able to just focus on advancing the goal of equalizing opportunities among the underserved/repressed/suppressed communities, we could move MOUNTAINS together. If we could EVER unite ALL of the targeted communities (including ALL of the minorities who have had to fight just to be seen and acknowledged); we could change EVERYTHING! - My husband and I are also two who have chosen to remove ourselves from the mainstream gay culture as we found it to be too plastic, fake, and self-absorbed to stomach. (That and at 30, you're dead in the gay world anyway....unless you look like Brad Pitt or have $$$...then, you make a GREAT sugar daddy) LOL! The only other thing I have to say to the gay community at large, LOOKS FADE boys! Good luck with that! You ARE human after all.

You are correct. I am bi, but the community does not represent me.

I'm a B! For real. It's not a phase, it's not because I can't decide, it's not because I'm greedy. I'm an honest-to-goodness B. So there you go ✌❤🇬🇧

"Dr Dr, I feel like the opposite sex" "Come on then, we'll give you these hormones. And then we'll do some EXPERIMENTS on you". "Is this some kind of joke?" "No, this is contemporary society."

I'm an older trans woman who has stepped away form the craziness to just enjoy my life and my grandchildren. I would also like to say , you really need to paint your ceiling. Have a great one

As someone on the brink of the "community", considering myself bi from an emotional stand point and partially leaning to one side on a physical one, I've never really interreacted with it. It's only recently I've learned how messy this whole thing is. After some serious thinking time, I'll now be considering myself a supporter of the LGBTQ people and not the community. The issues within are deep, serious and from my perspective not feasibly solvable in my lifetime, no matter how I wish for the contrary.

@anthonymorris5084

2 жыл бұрын

Your community is the LGB community. All the other letters are Left wing political movements.

This is why this dude , will never be ignored . The most fascinating , innumerable rewinding of five and a half minutes I’ve had in a long while .

What about the Q? I never understood the Q and what separates them from the rest

@joshdunham7167

4 жыл бұрын

We don't know.

@bodo887

4 жыл бұрын

Those are the ones that actually don't want to make their mind up and are confused about everything relating to sex and gender....

@joshdunham7167

4 жыл бұрын

@@bodo887 how is that even possible? How hard is it? Jesus man we're getting bullied by bunch of weesels?

@bodo887

4 жыл бұрын

@@joshdunham7167 sry, that's what Q means. It's a non-sensical "identity". I wish we could get rid of all unnecessary labels.

@ryanqz

4 жыл бұрын

Where is the H?

Just found Douglas, thank goodness. Brilliant.

I believe the thinking error here is in painting a community as a group of similar people. Community is a group of people who support one another. They don’t need having much in common. Like a village is a community of potentially very different people who care and help despite their differences.

The bees haven’t made their minds up yet! 😂

Douglas well said.

Of course he’s got Houellebecq on his shelf 😂

@carthkaras6449

4 жыл бұрын

I saw it too

@parralele401

3 жыл бұрын

A great writer.

always interesting to listen to douglas - something i've never found answer to is why do gays narrative is everyone is actually openly or secretly one of them, if not your looking to harm them and anyone that tries to accept them as they might anyone else can't possibly be real.

🤣🤣🤣, any person that says, I feel like I'm a different gender from what your born with wont grow up straight!!!! You made me crack up!! This was a comic skit right??

Douglas does it again 👏🏻👏🏻 what a guy

As a 32 year old gay man I stopped rolling with the gay community when they started calling me racist for preferring to date my own race, and transphobic because I like biological men.

@zhawkmoth3653

3 жыл бұрын

Most Ls and Gs with brains are leaving because the Ts call them bigots and genital fetishists because of their orientation. It's what made me reject the majority of trans activists.

I have been a house mother for 20 years and have taken in several young gay men specifically - but still parts of the community dislike me. I don't see them taking people in

Thank you.

Post Modern thought in action

Q is scary; a naked political movement somehow tacked on to LGBT

@TheEndIsTheStart

4 жыл бұрын

Then you misunderstand what Q is. Q is the admission of being outside of cis heteronormativity but pushing oneself to be confined within a letter when you are not sure who you are yet. It is the admission that you are on the journey of self discovery and awareness but are not there yet. I am gay but I was queer for a bit, mostly because I was aromantic which left me confused about how no I was.

@ellamills5716

4 жыл бұрын

q is straight people who can’t have something not be about them

@EclecticEngineer604

4 жыл бұрын

Nelson Pinder holy fuck , you people can write on own religion with all these rules and ways to live

@lsd25records

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheEndIsTheStart "outside of cis heteronormativity" + "not sure who you are yet." .... this sounds like such a mess .. its really much simpler than all that.. look at the entire history of mankind so see how we breed and what is normal for a healthy human ... intersectional feminism robbed lots of people of their mental health.... kids no longer actually know what a man or a woman is. sad .. oh but the gays know for sure... yuck the other sex ..lol.

@kittythadoll

4 жыл бұрын

Ella Mills if you think q should stand for questioning then that’s a problem 🤣

You will always have the gay entertainment/fashion/trend people. Because we are good at it. But for myself, and for many other, we are actually moving towards protecting our own sex, as it is under assault from society at large. - We become an ally of straight men, balancing out things. Also i got this huge feeling of this new intimate higher love between men lately. Just all this craziness towards us is making us stick together, and we can only lean on each other. Like Divine love/friendship. Not this super alpha domination bs man, but a genuine true male power, sun, light, order, good. Like a sun that is so bright.. I've never felt that before. And i notice how some groups take advantage of that, that men have this kind of relationship. Its the life force. Vitality. Some people are jealous and want to drink that. This is at least how ive seen it from past experiences when i have been with narcissists, they just feed on your light. You give and give and need to be strong for them, because they are to immature or crazy to understand otherwise. This builds warriors of light. But not warriors that want to go out beat people up.

All this mess comes from focusing excessively on people's sexual lives! Surely there's more to life than having sex? Yes, it's important and enjoyable and necessary for procreation, but really? We are more than sexual creatures and I think it's unhealthy to obsess about it.

@anthonymorris5084

2 жыл бұрын

It's only the people who are against the LGB community that obsess about it. The rest simply want to be treated with respect and get on with their lives.

It's difficult for biological women to take many 'trans women' seriously because they present themselves as some kind of cartoon caricatures of what they think we women are.

People tripping over themselves to feel special. ~ a gay man

"Pissing on the party"...what if I'm not into that??? There's boundries...

The L and the G were opportunistically linked but never liked each other. Adding the T made the whole thing a toxic incoherent mess. The Yugoslavia of sex. Flee!

We need more men standing up for women against TIMs

Since when did we have a community 😂 I don't agree with many points of what the LGBT community stands for. Like the pink news on snapchat always put up artists who came out but I'm like, most Artists are gay on the spectrum anyway so why bother

You are my hero, Murray !

Murray is like a gay guy you'd mean in an arts musiuc based pub and have a beer with. The modern scene is a disgrace of snide hatred for themselves and the straight wold , they are victims of social media.

What about Q and + and all the other stuff - pan for example?

Nailed it . Thankfully I've outgrown the alphabet soup. What a wank.

Respect to this brilliant man telling common sense against the P. C. speech which is to deprive us of truth . Happy that our gays friend also resist the trendy ABC ideology.

"Why are you Geh?"..

@Sp1n1985

4 жыл бұрын

Who said I'm am ghey?

OMGosh! I just realized that L&G are like the M&W. I cant believe I didnt get this until 3 minutes ago. I have lived in Minneapolis for 54 years. So when I call a lesbian gay, its like calling a woman a man. 🤦‍♀️

Yep, it’s a crazy mixed-up world.

@Hippiekinkster

3 жыл бұрын

...except for Lola.

Good to hear from the spokesperson of gays and lesbians...

@ChrisWillx

4 жыл бұрын

For the record I’m not a lesbian

They have nothing to say with each other 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Brilliant!