DON'T REDUCE TOO MUCH - Blur Adaptation and Measurement - Endmyopia 14 [Day 118]
Particular note about this video, although I realised I had reduced too quick, it's only in the next video I realised my original starting point for my normalised had been too low all along, and finally in the next video I actually start improving my eyes.
!!!WARNING!!!: In this video, I was not doing the correct things to improve my eyes and was under the influence of blur adaptation, a condition where it's easy to think you're improving your eyes when you're not. I have since started doing the correct things and have made real consistent improvement in my eyes, but this video is not to be taken as an example of what to do. Please see my explainer video here where I tell you everything wrong with my older videos: • My Biggest Vision Impr...
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You think you're making the big gains, but you're not. Slow and steady wins the race ;)
I got my OD and OS mixed up in the video. It's OD -3.75 and OS -2.50.
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I have found that every time I have ignored a piece of Jake's advice it ended in me realising that Jake was right.
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
You're damn right!
@lucyjiang6242
4 жыл бұрын
Literally me🤦🏻♀️
@taetae1381
4 жыл бұрын
Right ....I tried to go outside with my differential glasses and it was a stupid action from me ....but that day I really realized the meaning of "vision bubble" and its effects.
@evaalonso4464
4 жыл бұрын
Same! Currently in a rump of having reduced too much (against Jake's advice) and not improving much. Lesson learnt!
@MrDevangThanki
4 жыл бұрын
You all are paid people working for Jake....Thats how it seems
Always excited to see your videos Nottnott. I think taking the daily cm measurements has helped me to stay encouraged. I think my level of blur without glasses has improved but if I was not measuring daily then I wouldn't be able to see the steady improvement and might get discouraged. You can also watch the trends and discover that your vision doesn't always improve in a steady curve but sometimes takes jumps and plateaus.
Great video! I've been reading so much about how Jake says the End Myopia journey plays out and it is so helpful to be able to watch someone experience it, rather than just read Jake's words. Thanks for sharing how it's going and how things have evolved for you. So helpful!
It is a long time to 20/60. Keep on working on it!! We all hope for this success for you!!
The fact that you logged your journey is super helpful to those of us who have just started it. Gives us a sense of what to expect.
Great info here! Thanks. I think I'm at the point where my easy gain is over. Now starts for me the real hard part of myopia reduction. I keep your good video as a reminder to be aware of blur adaptation.
Beautiful eyes:) and of course great information
Excellent. Never quit.
A good starting point, can define your success.
Thank you man and thanks to youtube plateform for providing this info
What is the science behind the eye? Does it legnthen and shorten? Find the video here: Otis Brown: The Dynamic Eye Watch the blue eye change in both directions. This was always my personal question - as a scientific issue.
This happened to me... I really appreciate that you acknowledge this fact! I lied to myself for like a year... blur adaptation is no fun, but I’m back on track now.
Can you talk a bit about what you do regarding astigmatism? When you reduce your diopters, when do you consider changing the cylinders/axis? Thanks for all the videos.
I think the best way is look at the sunshine flows on the green plants while you are walking.
You are so genuine
@otiebrown9999
3 жыл бұрын
Yea.
Re. computer work - some people use a diopter higher towards the plus side when they have to use for long periods and that's even approved by some opticians to reduce eye-strain, which seems sensible.
A great job. Made it to 20/30
@Nottnott what are your differentials? Do you wear differential level contacts and wear extra minus glasses for normalized?
Una pregunta , está bien reducir de acuerdo a lo que la maquinita con la que sacan tu prescripción te dice??? Si es buena idea redudcir .25 desde ahí??? O es mejor hacer la prueba manual, la prueba clásica, de ver con lente uno y lente dos con el optometrista...??? Está bien bajar los .25 a partir de lo que dice el refractómetro amigo???
Great video brother . I have a query will my eyes improve just by practising active focus and reducing my prescription i have a bit of astigmatism too how will it get cured?
Hey i want to ask! How to use outside time to improve eyesight
Great video i wish i could see it earlier😔. I have a question to you bro can i do active focus and do some close work like ( reading books) without glasses because I am comfortable with it in good lightning conditions . My current prescription is -3 with cyl -.75 on left eye and -2.75 on right plz help me bro🙏🙏 I am confused from a long time
I still dont have glasses but got -4.25 should i we at those glasses cause blur adaptation or not cause hyperopicdefocus
Hi, when i wear glasses outdoor for a walk, and after back home i can see that my vision a little bit decreses. So i think it's not good idea to wear always glasses (except close up work).
Hey bro, thanks for all your helpful videos. I discovered endmyopia about a month ago. At the time I had -3.00 in the left eye and -2.75 in the right eye. I didn't have any glasses with weaker prescriptions (other than my old ones) so I just reverted back to using them which had a strength of -1.75 and -1.5 diopters (I don't remember exactly). I wasn't aware that I had to use differentials which meant I used the weaker lens everyday both for looking at my laptop screen from about 60cm away and for long distance usage, practicing active focus whenever I can by looking out the window. I measured my eyesight using the Snellen chart on Jake's website and I can now see 20/25 with my -1.75 lens. However, I read on the blog that you're supposed to get a differential lens first and after 4 weeks use get your first reduced distance lens. I have found another pair of glasses lying around which allows me to see 20/40 on the snellen chart. For the time being, could I use the -1.75 lens for distance usage and the differential lens for close up? Can you please advise me on what to do now or if I am doing anything wrong?
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
As long as you have a very small blur challenge in your normalised (not big at all), and you're doing active focus then keep at it :)
@selmanayhanoglu1224
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott Thanks for the advice! Due to not having blur challenge with the -1.75s while using a laptop should I use the differential that allows me to see 20/40? Also when should I reduce the differential lens and the distance lens and how much of a difference should there be between them e.g. -0.25 difference.
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
@@selmanayhanoglu1224 Wear the differentials that let you see your computer screen clearly at an ergonomic distance. Reducing too quickly (like i did) will lead to bad posture and won't improve your results for differentials.
@selmanayhanoglu1224
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott Bro I just found out the differentials that let me see 20/40 have 0.5 CYL and my CYL is 0.25. Will I do damage to my eyes by wearing them? Also I was contemplating getting a new normalised at -1.25 after having worn a-1.75 lens for 6 weeks, would this be too big of a diopter jump?
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
@@selmanayhanoglu1224 No, and yes. Read the blog and watch Jake's KZread channel.
My eyes are bad due to genetics But can I still recover my vision? By active focusing and reduced lens
I have to ask, was an autorefractor used in the test? The reason is that can over estimate myopia and this happened with me by at least two D. What you say is interesting so I'll need to watch again!
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
The myopia was measured using an autorefractor as a starting point, and then an eye chart. I'm aware of the inaccuracies with autorefractors!
Nice video! The Long haul kinda sucks, but if I knew a faster way, that's what I'd do. The good news is, once you settle in, you can just kinda forget this stuff and let the improvements happen as a result of the habits.
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
100%, EM is definitely a bit of set it and forget it.
Can you make a video on your daily routine, do's and don'ts
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
Will probably be done at some point down the road! I don't do anything particularly special :)
Thank you for your vids, Nott. Btw, how much blur should be there when practicing reduced lens method? I have a high prescription -6.5 (L) and -6.75(R) with astigmatism and I work at 60cm in front of my computer. Also, wearing reduced lens does not automatically improve my eyesight, I have to practice active focus as often as I can, right?
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
Very small amount of blur in distance, not a lot. Yes to AF.
@AS-jm1ix
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott astigmatism correction should be reduced to match the diopter reduction?
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
@@AS-jm1ix Read the blog for advice on astigmatism.
@paramjeetthakkar7088
4 жыл бұрын
How's it going
how much has this journey cost you so far? Im going to try endmyopia but the thought of buying glasses every month or so isint really attractive to me.
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
I've made quite a few mistakes and my prescription is very high: I'd say £200. Worth it.
6:02 But what if I measure all the time?
We shouldn't reduce too much but we get rid of glasses for the first 4_6 weeks only.. Am i right? cause i'm a little confused
HI I want to ask a question. does edge of blur count as distant
@otiebrown9999
4 жыл бұрын
Your Snellen counts as distant vision.
How did you cure astigmatism, mine is cyl- 0.75, it's annoy double vision. Can you give me some tips?
@NottNott
Жыл бұрын
Reduce it slowly like SPH, nothing special to do
I too have a dioptre diffrence like yours of .50 so did u first equalize your one eyes or just directly started the active focus with both.....sir please reply and give me tips..please reply fast
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
Both
@techy8623
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott thank you sir...but i also forgot to mention i am a low myope
@techy8623
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott you mean to do AF with both eyes right sir
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
@@techy8623 Yup
hey, how are you doing? It's been a while since the last update, still progressing? I'm also waiting for a (eventual) video on active focus, probably you have found a good way to do it. Cheers!
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
If you check out the forum thread on Le Meow, I'm doing some big changes. Most notably increasing the strength of my glasses. Check it out there, videos planned for when I've got some strong improvements :)
@marcomassella2186
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott sure will, thanks for your comment
Your both eyes were differently prescribed, so did you practised active focus with one eye or both.?
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
Both!
@darshandeokar1789
4 жыл бұрын
Thanx
@paramjeetthakkar7088
4 жыл бұрын
How's it going?
Can I ask u how much your eyes were and how much are they now?
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
I made a fairly big mistake in all of these videos as I've overestimated my improvments and I haven't updated on it - I'd say I'm about OS -4 and OD -5 now from -4.25 and -5.75.
Success is always nice. But, checking and passing the DMV test (20/70, and 20/40), defines your objective success. No OD will ever measure or help you. The minus lens destroys vision.
How do you explain people’s success with Bates method and Mark Warrens method? They both promote minimal glasses use and embracing the blur. I’m still learning and open to all methods that show success.
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
You can probably get success with less good methods. You have to look at the studies which show myopia is clearly a byproduct of axial elongation. If you can question how either of those methods addresses that cause, you're onto a winner. Bates method encourages eye exercises like palming, swinging, eye lunges and other stuff (never did it). Does this provide a reason for the eye to change its shape in line with clinical studies? Mark Warren says his method can induce clear flashes in people with myopia as high as -9. He says you don't need to wear glasses starting at -4, and myopia is 80% mental and not physical. Is that in line with clinical studies that clearly demonstrate a link between axial length and myopic blur? For the record, there are many studies showing axial change is possible, in either direction as well. I just follow the science. Mark does come across as a nice guy, but he lacks the two-decades long experience that Jake has had when it comes to tackling myopia, and the lack of detail comes across in his 'method', which is essentially endmyopia without details and Bates thrown in with added peripheral vision. I'm at odds to understand why people are so keen for him compared to a resource that has been around for much longer with a much larger pool of success reports and an emphasis on science. I reckon you can probably improve with either method however - you're just setting yourself up for a lot of pain and delay. When I wasn't wearing a good pair of normalised (glasses reduced just correctly with good stimulus of myopic defocus) it seemed to wipe out any results I could get, when I was reducing too quickly. If either method is telling you to embrace the blur, seriously be doubtful and question that, first hand experience over a long time tells me that's not going to help, measurements did not improve at all for that time period. Clinical blur adaptation is a real thing though, you can look that up for what you could expect instead. Of course. that's just my two cents, you're welcome to try whatever you like, and whatever you do you'll probably have a lot of fun doing it :D
@sherekhan53
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I’m drawn to aspects of Bates and Mark Warren’s teachings because they focus on relaxing the ciliary muscle and bringing more light into your eyes. Supposedly lenses do not allow light to penetrate into your eyes as much. light is supposed to help with the healing. I know Jake is all about the stimulus. This is where he diverges from the others. I’ll have to look into more of the research that Jake provides and continue trying to achieve the elusive active focus... over 1 month trying and have only experienced a slight focus a couple times.
@paramjeetthakkar7088
4 жыл бұрын
@@sherekhan53 how's it going? Did u improve your eyesight with any of the above methods? Would be great if u reply :)
@sherekhan53
4 жыл бұрын
@@paramjeetthakkar7088 Nope. I fell back into my poor vision habits :(. I My current life situation requires A LOT of screen time so that is not helping.
@otiebrown9999
3 жыл бұрын
@@sherekhan53 - Whatever the method you choose, Mark, Todd Becker, Jake, you must eventually pass the required DMV test yourself, at home. Method does not matter excessively. Results matter. DMV = 20/70 and 20/40.
I have -1.75 in both eyes will plus lenses help?
@neildoerdan2298
4 жыл бұрын
It depends how you use them. Pilots for example need 20 20 vision to be able to fly, so when their eyesight starts to go they often use plus lenses to help get it back by forcing the eye to think it needs to change shape faster to get back to the correct vision. At -1.75 you are slightly past that phase, but if you take into effect the over correction, that many opticians provide, you may only be at -1.25 or lower. If you were to follow the endmyopia adivce then just removing your glasses while outside and trying active focus may be enough to get back to 20 20. Note that the hardest part for most people who have got there, is the -1 back to 20 20. Please note that I am no expert and i only offer advice that I have come across which seems sensible. In my own journey using plus lenses to reduce contacts i wear for close up has created a close up issue that matches long sightedness/presbyopia. But I also have been doing far too much close up time recently (for last year) that has not helped the journey.
How many hours a day you are in front of screen.?
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
Too many hours, above 7 a day at the moment. Not recommended.
Have a proof of before and after ?
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
Even if I did I could fake it, so I'm going to say no 😉
i can't even make an improvement with only 2 hours a day screen time ( no close up either), the only improvement is waking up in the morning and getting back to same results every day.
@rationalbeing17
4 жыл бұрын
How you doing now?
Now Blizz are launching Return to Shadowlands, so even less time to spend outdoors!
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
Modern WoW sucks, Classic all the way 😂
What is the science behind how the eyeball length shortens??
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
endmyopia.org
@otiebrown9999
4 жыл бұрын
I will post a video - of this, shortly.
I love classic WoW. I kind of burned out on Burning Crusade pretty quickly but Classic WoW stayed fun up until BC came out for me. I'm still kind of confused on why reducing a lot is bad per se but I'll keep it in mind.
@NottNott
2 жыл бұрын
Been nolifing season of mastery recently :)
Do you wear specs?
@AnjaliSingh-0304
4 жыл бұрын
Ya he did I think he dosent anymore
Jake wrote axial myopia starts at -5
It is a long hard process to get out of it! Please aim to be able to read at 20 inches, with no minus lens. Also, use a Snellen, in bright light, and I hope confirm 20/60. That is success. All MEDICAL people believe you are on an impossible path. That first minus - is deadly for all of us.
Any updates dude?
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, thanks for the kind comments :) - trying to go for the long-term approach with EM. My eyes and cm measurements are still improving, and I'll be sure to make more videos when I have more to say and more experience. Thanks :D
@combatxhoop7069
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott thanks too man, will be updated to your latest posts!
hi i think you should less go for your eye test. six months after maybe. they always let you down these optometrists.
@rileyesposito3043
4 жыл бұрын
Naseem Khan I think the Optomitrist sometimes not really check well, they just check your old glasses and make some small adjustments so they make you feel they did some work and charge expensive lenses.
Dude, stop blink too hard!
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
I thought I'd get this comment again! I swear now I just blink more on camera tbh, I don't blink this much irl. It's weird.
@EduardoFerreira-xn2nt
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott blinking hard changes your cornea's shape for a moment and gives you some clarity, but isn't the big deal. I always try soft blinks, but some times i do this hard blink too.
@EduardoFerreira-xn2nt
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott blinking hard changes your cornea's shape for a moment and gives you some clarity, but isn't the big deal. I always try soft blinks, but some times i do this hard blink too.
@NottNott
4 жыл бұрын
I'm aware about that stuff, I only do this on camera. Sounds dumb but you 'act' slightly nervous trying to think of things to say.
@EduardoFerreira-xn2nt
4 жыл бұрын
@@NottNott i'm a non native english speaker, but i can read and write easily. When i'm master this language i'll try to be a video contributor.
We shouldn't reduce too much but we get rid of glasses for the first 4_6 weeks only.. Am i right? cause i'm a little confused
We shouldn't reduce too much but we get rid of glasses for the first 4_6 weeks only.. Am i right? cause i'm a little confused