Are MK7's underrated or overrated?

@deanrivers5295

8 ай бұрын

underrated... 2zzge 👌🏿🔥

@tristanmeadows

8 ай бұрын

underrated as they should be lol

@helloyt4799

8 ай бұрын

all FWD celicas are overrated

@deanrivers5295

8 ай бұрын

@@helloyt4799 by who

@helloyt4799

7 ай бұрын

@@deanrivers5295 celica owners mostly

I'm sorry but labeling both 1zz and 2zz "not reliable" is a slap on the face for those that took care of them and made them last over 200k miles

@jacksoncook1866

4 ай бұрын

^^

@Tariku.

4 ай бұрын

ESPECIALLY the 2zz i don’t know any other naturally aspirated 1.8L 4cylinders was reving to 9k making over 100hp per Liter in the 2000s. and still getting over 35 mpg. and i use mine to toe around my race bikes 🤣. it’s undoubtedly been the most reliable car i’ve ever owned.

@hotwheelshuntinguk

4 ай бұрын

They are only as reliable as you are willing to make them.

@abelwickham345

4 ай бұрын

Way to add some wisdom on the 2zz. I love that engine. Tons of fun and it sounds way better than a honda

@joshuaw9610

4 ай бұрын

The engine is “reliable enough”, sure, but the explanation for labelling it unreliable can be found in your comment, “made them last”, they require a bit more maintenance than a lot of other Toyota motors. That’s okay, it’s an engine well worth maintaining, but it has more than a couple of weak points that will make any good owner very conscious of their oil, oil temp, engine temp etc. Letting your oil run low one time could be enough to seriously damage a 2zz, whereas some engines seem to take punishment like they love it and keep going.

him saying its not really reliable My celica with 270k miles and still running

@joshuaw9610

6 ай бұрын

I just hear a lot of smack talk about both the 1zz and 2zz, even though it’s probably coming from people who just forgot to change their oil. Glad to hear it though, mine will make it there too 😎

Beautiful car. Still quite stunning in 2023. Definitely underrated.

@joseguerra4520

3 ай бұрын

Esta subestimado porque es lento

A lot of the hate comes from other Celica fans. Usually, those that were fans of previous generations who had expectations that were not met with the 7th gen. I have 2 Celicas both 2001 GT's and I absolutely love them. The 1zz and 2zz engines are super reliable (after Toyo fixed the oil burning issue), the rev high and are super fun to drive.

@keayyy

6 ай бұрын

Thank you man

@B_-.-

6 ай бұрын

I've known some people *in the Celica community* complain that the 7th gen isn't RWD??? Really puzzles me given they weren't RWD since the 80s!

@alejandrocaballero183

6 ай бұрын

@@B_-.- in the 90's the st185 and st205, all fwd, gt fours is awd and célica's supra's rwd

@aroundme6197

5 ай бұрын

I also had 2 of then 2002 and 2003 GT.

@Protous

5 ай бұрын

when was the oil burning issue fixed, how do I know that?

I loved my 2000 GTS. A few years ago I gave it my son and it is still a great fun reliable car. As for the styling when I first bought it I had so many people looking as I drove my and even occasionally asking me what it was at stop lights. Many times while going through a drive through I would have the person helping me comment on how much they liked it even after it was 10-15 years old.

Hidden gem for sure. A real driver's car 👌

@hobbymanx9200

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. It started getting stolen in my neck of the woods because the value started rising up.

Thank you for taking the time to reply mate, much appreciated. I will look them up. I am in Ireland. 🇮🇪 Chris 👍

Nice video mate, the car is very beautiful. Also The 2zzge is SUPERrelible and robust engine i know over 20 examples from stock 2zzge with 450.000 miles and 2zzge with 150.000 miles and gtx2867 380hp from 95.000 miles (100% stock internals) also many rotrex set up (250-350hp with over 200k miles) This engine needs only oil pan if pass 1.1g lateral pressure on track days. If maintenance is good has not oil consumption issues like 1zzfe 1999-2002 models. Also the break oil pumps is driver false from wrong downshifting if pass 9.000rpm the first weak point is oil pump. If someone want reliable 2zz on RACING times need forged oil pump gear and aftermarket oil pan. Also the crankshaft and rods is forged with cast pistons and 11.5:1 compression in turbo set up if change the pistons can handle easy,reliable and with longlife 400-500hp but with another gearbox.

@mderrixk7465

5 ай бұрын

Is a 2zz ge turbocharged reliable? I’m contemplating getting a celica gts or a mr2 sw20 with a 2gr swap

@DimoS...

5 ай бұрын

@mderrixk7465 yes mate. Is very reliable if keep the torque up to 350nm. Also can put a Cosworth head gasket for 10:1 compression for 100% sure

Beautifully modified 7th gen. Love it. Ive had one for years, still going strong, drives well, cuts a few looks too. Definitely a fun affordable package if you want something different.

I have a 2002 2zz 6spd mica blue and looks brand new with 405k smiles. Owned it since 2002💪💪💪💪

Josh literally has my dream car

@daycrew

5 ай бұрын

The car literally has my dream Josh

@joshuaw9610

4 ай бұрын

🥰

Such a great vid / expose on the Celica. Well done Daycrew

The seventh gen front end looks awesome, but the backend styling is blocky. Look wise i love the sixth gen!

@joshuaw9610

7 ай бұрын

Kind of agree with this, as the owner of the car hahaha. It’s really easy to get good photos of the front, but more of a challenge to bring out aesthetic appeal in the back.

@MeesDeppe_Official

6 ай бұрын

i've got a 7th gen in silver and totally agreed. i do like blockyness in cars though and it fits the sharper lines in the front but the booty is just a tad too big.

I have endurance raced a 7th gen with the 1zz and it was extremely fun. I also own a 6th gen AT200 (Euro spec with 88k km's) which i absolutely adore.

Super clean Celica. Love the 2zz I have one in my usdm Toyota Matrix xrs ☺️ P.s. it's a 40hp difference the 1zz was 140hp in the celica gt and was 130hp in the corolla and matrix xr

in the US the 1zzfe is the celica GT and 2zzge the celica GTS

I love this gem. I think the styling is the best of all celiacs. Followed by the Gen 6

Tasteful mods done by Josh on his celica and love the deep purple color! Also a great vid, nice high quality, great flow of the video (don't know how else to explain it lol). I own a 1zz 7th gen celica and here in the Netherlands it's actually quite the bargain. the 2zz costs 7k and up, yet the 1zz is only 3k. You still get the great handling and a high revving engine, just does 0-100 in 1 or 2 seconds more than the 2zz. I absolutely love it as a cheap fun daily.

@daycrew

8 ай бұрын

That is a bargain! They’re both fun engines, and for that price you can’t go wrong!!

@joshuaw9610

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! :)

Wow so much misinformation here. The 2ZZ is very solid, there are a lot of high mileage 2ZZ out there. Same engine as in the Lotus Elise and Lotus knew why they chose this engine with the yamaha head. It did not have the bad piston design as the 1ZZ.

I've had numerous 6th gen Celicas (last one had a 3rd gen 3sgte). I still miss my 2000 Celica GT-S. Although hard to make power, the 2ZZ was super fun in its stock form.

@daycrew

Ай бұрын

It is a really fun engine!

I got my 2000 2zzge Celica for $5k NZD nearly 2 years ago with a slightly different TRD body kit and gearbox LSD. felt like i got a great deal as people are wanting bone stock 1zz celicas here for like 7-8k which are a rip off

Beautiful job mate 👍 What exhaust manufacturer please. My original is starting to rust and I fancy upgrading. Thank you. Chris 😊

@daycrew

27 күн бұрын

It’s a custom muffler from Macs Mufflers, nothing super special. it sounds awesome though!

@Chrs144

20 күн бұрын

Aaaaah Mac’s no longer about in that field. Any idea if someone else has taken over the mufflers? Thanks 🙌

I had a 2005 7th gen Celica. I loved it, but I really needed 4 doors so it had to go. It was a serious Integra Type-R equivalent. I had one of those too. :)

I love my 7th gen gt. Have it as my first car and kept it clean for 3 years. I hope to have it past 200k miles and have it keep it's style :>

I've got the exact same car 2002 celica 190 here in Scotland. Spent 2 grand on welding underside eek but mechanically all good quick little car especially on small country roads and you won't find anything quicker for the money. Buy one soon as they're going up in value.

Awesome stuff 🔥🔥🔥

I want a 7th Generation Celica GT-S, and ima get one. I plan to save up before they become harder to find. I'll be sure to look up the vin number to ensure it's a legit GT-S model and if I see Rear dise brakes 2ZZ-GE engine, I know for sure it's a true GT-S model.

I got the 1zz, its a blast to drive even tho it only has 144hp

I owned one for two years, and spoken to dozens of owners, mostly from the UK and US. They're underrated, but in the US they're overpriced. It's a struggle to get a GT-S for the same price as an equivalent condition MX5 NB/NC. If you want something sub 100K for 10K, you can get a Celica GT, you can get a MX5 NB or sometimes NC, you can't get a Celica GT-S. In that case, the MX5 is the better buy from a purely enthusiast POV. Bare in mind that I'm not even considering pre '03 1ZZs here, because it's just a massive no-no if you want to daily it. The oil burning will happen eventually, it can be extreme, and the only fix is revised pistons. Swapping in a Corolla 1ZZ IS NOT the solution. These cars have the 1ZZ-FED - it is different to the 1ZZ-FE found in other Toyotas. It has larger valves. That's 10hp you're probably never getting back. In the UK, it's totally different. For the price of a good 1ZZ Celica, which is 2K (and bare in mind that over here they have 6 speeds and discs all round), you couldn't dream of getting any MX5 that isn't rotting away, or about to. You can easily get a good 2ZZ for 4K - barely enough for a good NB or NC. In this market, both Celica's are excellent value for money. For another comparison, just to hammer this point in - in the UK, a GT86 costs about 3 times the price of a 2ZZ Celica. in the US, it's not even double. None of this of course makes it a bad car at all - but it is definitely a harder sell. If I could've had a decent MX5 for the price of my Celica, that is probably the way I would've gone.

@daycrew

6 ай бұрын

Insightful write-up! In Australia our car market is pretty different!

@B_-.-

6 ай бұрын

@@daycrew Listening again - I have no idea how I didn't pick up on the accent lol. Without knowing anything about the Aussie market, 11K for 65K miles and a rare colour seems pretty good.

The 2zz doesn't have low-end torque, so in that regard, some people would rather go with the 1zz engine if they plan on turbocharging it anyway. The 2zz generally does better with a supercharger.

@sigmaprojects

5 ай бұрын

It's also very compact, so if you're tall it's a no go car, but quite light even for an early 00's vehicle.

@joseguerra4520

3 ай бұрын

Pero el problema no es ese,el problema es que no tiene apenas par y por si fuera poco en cada cambio cae por debajo de las 6.000rpm y entre 6.000/6.300 está abierto el vvtl-i y al caer por debajo no responde cosa que con honda no ocurre por eso nadie quiere este coche para correr no sirve,son poquitas personas la gran mayoría lo quiere por su estética

Dope Vid!

Slow? Isn't this one of the most powerful NA I4s ever made?

@Legend-lc9bv

3 ай бұрын

Ikr

@kentprince4851

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 Yeah they clueless

Never rated them a lot but I marshall amateur Motorsport in the UK and we have two in the 1800cc class. They're almost always fastest in class and seem really composed when set up well.

@daycrew

8 ай бұрын

That’s interesting to hear, I’ve seen some at a local track and they did seem to performing well!

@Spac8

8 ай бұрын

@@daycrew I believe the main reason for it is the independent rear suspension. The Corolla T Sport doesn't handle anything like the Celica, despite having the same engine. Their performance has certainly made me take note of them, always liked the styling but never really wanted one, I do now. 🤣 For our sprints and hill climbs they work brilliantly.

The 2ZZ GE engine is super reliable. It gets any hate due to poor maintenance or Honda fan boys. Lotus didn't want this engine in their cars because it was poor performing and unreliable. However, that being said, maintenance is essential to a long life over 250K miles: 1. Regular oil changes - every 3000 miles with a good 5W 30 synthetic oil. 5W 40 can be used also. 2. Lift bolts. Pre 2002 models swap out lift bolts with newer design. Easy DIY job (unless broken bolt). 3. VVTi and VVTLi filters/OCV - clean every 20K (new filters or use carb cleaner). Easy job. 4. Oil pump is Achilles heel. If wrong downshift then the engine will implode. 5. Sump. If racing round tight corners at high revs, the 2ZZ does not have a baffled sump. You can get aftermarket sumps. MWR (Monkey Wrench Racing) supply Moroso baffled sumps. Some people use the 1ZZ sump (which is baffled ironically), but there are conflicting opinions on this being used on the 2ZZ as effective. 6. Oil Leaks. The 2ZZ can leak oil. Common areas as the timing cover gasket and the o ring on the timing chain tensioner. However, whenever fitting a new timing cover gasket change out all gaskets on cover including water pump and it is imperative 4/5 key areas RTV is used (usually where head meets block etc). There are some great videos out there. @2zzlow has some good ones for this job. 7. Every 15K clean out throttle body and MAF sensor. Change air filter every 5000K. Some good aftermarket ones out there also but standard Toyota filter does a decent job for everyday use. CAI for me is a better option than an aftermarket cone by the engine as it can suck in heat. Good cheaper end upgrades: 1. CAI filter 2. IK20TT Denso plugs 3. Cat Back exhaust (good quality one) 4. Consider better springs/shocks or a good set of coil overs. However, these can end up being costly for a good set up. Avoid cheaper ones on eBay etc. Bodywork: 1. Check sills and subframes. Surface rust can develop. So inspect those if in a wet/salty road country. Sort and use a good waxoil. 2. Paint is not the thickest when Toyota built them. Red cars can suffer lacquer peel and fade in hotter, sunnier climates. 3. Good wax twice to three times a year helps protect paint. Higher Performance Upgrades: Monkey Wrench Racing is a good starting point for the 2ZZ GE Celica. There are others such as Se7en Motorsports in the UK. Research a good and reputable shop or join an owners forum. Celica world has a great and dedicated, friendly community across the globe. NB: You can turbo charge or fit superchargers to the 2ZZ. However, a stand alone or dedicated piggy back system must be used as the standard CPU cannot be programmed as such. Again, do your research. If remaining N/A then consider a larger intake set up/throttle body and exhaust header. Again the community can help with this and where to source. DDR were a good place for intake/throttle body but not sure if they still exist. @2zzlow may be able to help on that one plus other dedicated Celica users. Conclusion: Celica is a great car and underrated. Even standard it can embarrass many higher performing cars through the bends. Look after her and she will look after you for many, many fun miles.

@joseguerra4520

3 ай бұрын

La gente está poniendo rico al vendedor monkey wrench las piezas son super caras y no merece la pena el coche sigue siendo lento este Celica no se puede poner a la altura de un Cupra El Celica es un coche para niñas ridículas prestaciones solamente interesa la estética un simple saxo VTS 1.6 es muy superior

“Ugly” well…. What? 😅 It looks even more stunning than a holy grail 2000GT or Jag E-Type to me. Every time I come across this model I feel blessed. If there’s such a thing, the body style screams FWD supercar. At least in terms of the design. It’s one of the hottest looking cars ever produced in automotive history. The owners and fans should be more proud of that.

@hobbymanx9200

3 ай бұрын

Speaking of which, the Peugeot RCZ falls under the same category. It’s more of a pony car mechanically yet looks as hot as a supercar.

My first car was a rusty 1977 Celica GT hatchback. A few years and cars later, I bought a 1981 Celica GT hatchback. Great car. 30ish years later, I now have a 2003 Celica GT TRD. It's in nice shape, and stays in the garage unless the weather is nice and I go for a drive.

hey i just bought the 99 t230 just asking what exhaust you got on it? im in melbourne if that matters

@joshuaw9610

4 ай бұрын

Mine is just a pretty cheap custom cat back tbh, can’t find/can’t afford the TRD exhaust kit lol

Got the same car for 7 years (same color and same engine). Bought it with 148k km. Its really reliable and fun. What is your top speed with your celica? Mine went 255km/h downhill with 16 inch wheels on it.

I personally love the way it looks, but I’m a bit biased as I had a 2001 gts. 6spd manual with the 2zzge. Still my favorite car that I’ve owned and if I have the opportunity to buy another one I’d do it in a heartbeat. Sadly I over-revved and blew the motor on a downshift in the mountains and sold it to a guy who put a 1zz in it and then tried to sell it as the 2zz. I only know that because I saw the car on Craigslist after he finished the motor swap. I actually flagged the ad as a scam because he tried to claim it still had the better motor.

@daycrew

8 ай бұрын

Ah man that sucks, hopefully people were smart enough to notice the missing power when he tried to sell it!

@joshuaw9610

8 ай бұрын

All the plastic in the engine bay was hopefully a giveaway 😬 you should get another one!

I have the same coils on the same 2002 gts 6speed. At the same height front and back. I am having a struggle to get it as cushy and comfy as the stock suspension. Does anyone have advice on how to get a coilover car comfortable? I am 20 and shattered lower parts of my spine and its the only car in my family where long trips kill my back 😢

@daycrew

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately being stiffer (and therefore more uncomfortable) is by design of most coilovers, aside from setting the dampening to the softest setting (on the top of the coilover), your best bet is probably to return to stock suspension.

@arcanevoid9199

5 ай бұрын

If you want something closer to stock go for tein flex Z's, they will feel very similar to stock on the soft setting and you can always stiffen it up (even electronically with edfc). Sway bars are another good way to control/remove body roll without adding harshness or stiffening the suspension

Underrated for sure yeh it’s not as good as the other celicas but so what if you can have fun wit it and affordable price go for it definitely recommend manual to get more fun out of it

@daycrew

8 ай бұрын

W take

@joshuaw9610

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I’ve heard the autos are really weak in performance, struggle to hit lift etc

@arcanevoid9199

7 ай бұрын

other than the gt4 its way better then the other celicas, and even then it handles better and has a better chassis & suspension then a gt4

Hey, genuine question here, how’s it drive with it being lowered? Does it go over bumps and stuff okay?

@daycrew

6 ай бұрын

With it lowered you have to be mindful of going over big speedbumps, Josh usually takes a wide angle to avoid hitting it, since the bumper is pretty low. Doesn't feel uncomfortable over bumps otherwise!

@REVOLUTIONS-EDGE

6 ай бұрын

@@daycrew awesome thank you guys that was an absolutely awesome video

@joshuaw9610

6 ай бұрын

It’s a little stiff but overall not too bumpy, I like how it feels, but yeah the front ground clearance isn’t great haha

I have never heard anybody pronounce Celica like he does I don't know if it's an American thing but we say it completely different

@daycrew

2 ай бұрын

Haha we were talking about this when filming that some people might be confused! In America they pronounce it seh-li-kuh vs Australia and a few other places pronounce it suh-lee-kuh. No one knows which one is correct as far as I could find out!

But they are bringing it back I heard😊

@daycrew

8 ай бұрын

This and the MR2 would be a fire comeback 🔥

Anybody knows which wheels and how many inch are ?? Also the fitment ? Thanks in advance

@daycrew

6 ай бұрын

Enkei RPF1's in black, 18x8 size 45 offset 5x100 studs. From Josh himself :)

@yiannisioannidis1924

6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir @@daycrew

No it doesn't deserve any 😡 hate . Your the problem. Not grateful for what you have. It beats walking.😂❤👎 Love my Celica got her in 95 & still going strong . Out of all the lemons I've had . My Celica is the beast ❤ over all...... ❤👍

i love my mk7 celica. def want mine to shine as nice as josh's someday soon. need mo' cash 😅😂

Celicas at the time is when JDM cars were going down they weren't selling as much sports anymore people were moving to SUVs and family vehicle that's why they discontinued the Celica

Super Cool

Color is actually called "Carbon Blue Mica" or "Carbon Black Mica" sometimes.

The MK7 is a fantastic car, and one people should consider buying before hopping into an EP3 for twice the money. Put some fresh shocks and some good springs under it and you have an absolute weapon for attacking backroads. They are predictable, they are progressive, they are revvy, they are playful, supremely underrated cars. And saying the ZZ engines aren't reliable is just plain misinformed. Early 1ZZs can suffer from ovalling of the bores and early 2ZZs can suffer from broken lift bolts, but both issues were fixed later in production. Aside from that the only thing I can think of is the oil starvation issue the 2ZZ has on track, but that isn't really a 'reliability' thing because that isn't what the car was designed for, and it can be solved with an aftermarket or modified oil pan.

Yes

It’s our time baby the celicas are Gana have their come up and when they do just remeber it won’t let you down

I think the chassis is excellent, but the power train really lets it down. 2zz should have been the base option with a turbo performance package.

@arcanevoid9199

4 ай бұрын

it really doesnt need a turbo, the 2zz has plenty of power

@foamyserver

4 ай бұрын

@@arcanevoid9199 Agree to disagree. The difference in power between a 1zz and 2zz isn't noticeable at all until you hit lift, which is extremely narrow.

@SpartanQwop

4 ай бұрын

​​@@foamyserverYou're wrong there, own both, 1zz and 2zz, this is (140, 189 bhp) and the difference is night and day. The 2zz is just that much better. And this is without using lift btw...

@foamyserver

4 ай бұрын

@@SpartanQwop are you comparing to an FeD? Because I have a GT and GT-S that both dyno slightly above their advertised power and the curve is identical until lift

i personally think that the only thing holding this back to potenially be the best NA fwd car is the fact that it doesn't have double wishbone on front.

@arcanevoid9199

5 ай бұрын

theres much more to it than that, these also came with superstrut suspension in japan which behaves very similarly to double wishbone

@silvix3137

5 ай бұрын

@@arcanevoid9199 is this something you can buy for a normal celica? I'm considering either a vvtli celica or integra dc2 type r. It would be really cool to get this for a normal european market celica cause it's cheaper than the dc2 by quite a few thousands.

@arcanevoid9199

5 ай бұрын

@@silvix3137 you could but its not really economical to, there is the main suspension components but the superstrut suspension was a complete package with different interior, brakes, steering rack, abs computer & yaw sensors for sports abs, helical lsd etc. If you can get a dc2 type r or even a gsr with a b18c for a similar price or slightly more its probably going to be a better option, unfortunately the aftermarket has really let down the celica. as an example the best intake manifold for the 2zz hasnt been improved on since 2009 and is about $3000usd to order which you cant even do through an online store. skunk cast manifolds for hondas are only a few hundred and are easy to get

good price, toyota reliability, cool part the lambo/super car line

I have a soft spot for the Celica in general. This one looks very good. Just like most affordable cars they are a basic platform to build on. If I had to choose a modern Celica it would be the st205 gt4 followed by the 165 group A rally.

@daycrew

8 ай бұрын

Those are both great choices

@desirabledrives44

8 ай бұрын

@@daycrew I'm not sure where you are located but if you're ever in Brisbane and would like to review the other 2zzge powered Toyota from the same era let me know.

@daycrew

8 ай бұрын

Will do 👀

@joshuaw9610

8 ай бұрын

@@desirabledrives44is yours a sportivo Corolla? I’d love to battle our cars out sometime! This is my car and I live in Brisbane

This car's shape is handsome, but there aren't many people who dress it up like a varis or rocket or a Lb walk.

This generation of Celica got a bad reputation because it looks fast but isn't & people rice them out. People today still rice them out! Everyone with these want to be low & slow, not even taking them to the mountain pass or the track. Not to mention, every other Celica "build" has a TRD kit, which inherently is nothing wrong with it, it's just become boring to see literally a copied/paste Celica in different colors. Great cars, bad community, thus creating a bad reputation. I don't attach myself to any of these Celica "groups" for the reasons said, but I'm glad to see a good one across the world from me. This one's actually nice & isn't clapped out.

@joshuaw9610

6 ай бұрын

I do take mine on mountain runs, but yes the ride height is for looks over performance, I don’t drive it too hard so I don’t feel I have to lean into a touge build or anything, but about the TRD kits, honestly, I just think they’re the nicest looking option. You’re right that people often rice these out too much, and I think a lot of aftermarket kits are just too ricey for my taste

what is this guy yappin about celica engines not being reliable? I have a mate of mine that thrashes his celica almost everyday on the streets, dragstrip, parking lots, and he somewhat does the minimum amount of maintenance on that thing and IIRC him saying its well past 250k kms already and still going strong. Both 1zz and 2zz as far as I know have received nothing but positive feedbacks from celica owners. I don't know where they got the idea of both toyota engines not being reliable LMAO. If it was at least the RX-8's rotary engine, sure, but Toyota engines almost across all models of cars that they have made are all more reliable than ur standard american/german car brand.

Nah Celica's done like that are smoking, it's got to be done tastefully only certain body kits and splitters and diffusers

I personally have never liked the look of the gen 7's. The motors are kinda cool, ive driven one and it was alright until you get out of it and remember what you were just in. Interior is kinda meh too. But maybe I'm just a gen 6 fan boy - I have an st204 daily, an st204 with a 600whp 3sgte in it and an st205 GT4 haha. Josh also needs to go big or go home with the stretchers, 50mm+ or nothing :P

@arcanevoid9199

6 ай бұрын

kinda cool? better than any other na celica or even the 4age stock for stock, and of course the interior isnt amazing as i dont think you realise how cheap these were in japan. a gt4 was close to 4x the price and isnt really faster stock for stock

@grindstonegarage

6 ай бұрын

@@arcanevoid9199 imagine buying a car to keep it stock 🤮🤮🤮

@arcanevoid9199

6 ай бұрын

@@grindstonegarage never said anything about keeping it stock, was just for comparison

@grindstonegarage

6 ай бұрын

@@arcanevoid9199 Im all good on em bud, not overly interested

@joshuaw9610

6 ай бұрын

Ahahaha I actually had my lobes up to 42mm when I was much younger, I took them out for a few years, they closed up to about 15mm, and in the last couple of years I went back up to 24mm. Can’t see me going any bigger again 🤷🏻‍♂️

What is a “Slee cah”?

I've owned many Celicas. From 1st gen to 7th. 7th gen lacks hp and rear wheel drive. I am fixing 🤔 that on my current 7th gen. V8 Celica GT-SS kzread.info/head/PLHUWidjJ9X6T26LVBPT5fL7DovFXzloVb&si=N5iVep52QL5tY26E

The 7th gen Celica didn't have a gt4 because the 6th gen got banned for cheating

@arcanevoid9199

6 ай бұрын

the gt4 also didn’t sell well, it was about 4x times more expensive than a 7th gen

@joshuaw9610

6 ай бұрын

Haha that’s not a bad theory, like they killed the Celica’s rally reputation so they didn’t bother doing an awd and putting it in wrc

my 1zz celica beats an 08 subaru forrester. i think the 1zz is the best

Super 👍 Greetings from Poland💪

@daycrew

5 ай бұрын

Hi from Australia!

Lol I'm in (with purchase) $14K into my GT-S Celica already and the front is all rock chipped up with not a great paint job. This thing looks like a show car. I'd be $20K in to even attempt to make it look like this. Standard body on mine, I just bought carbon fiber TRD kit stuff to just make it look close to those. In the USA, these are very expensive and not easy to find with low miles. The GT-S models are a complete joke if you want a nice one for anything remotely affordable.

@joshuaw9610

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! :)

I believe that it has a sprinkle of supercar beauty on it. However it is super slow…

@abuelb

27 күн бұрын

The 2zz is faster than the 2023 integra A spec.😂😂😂😂

Gotta hate when they it sounds like a civic , that’s like saying a LS sounds like a hemi

It's a beautiful machine, and its looks are wayyyy better than the new Supra, aka BMW. Nothing can be compared with celica because it is a standout car.

Yeah. I drove a friends daily for a few months. Very unimpressed. No power, suspension wasn’t very good, got ok mpg. Hard pass. Get a focus st.

@arcanevoid9199

7 ай бұрын

doesn’t sound like the full story, suspension on these is good apart from being a little soft in stock from. and I’ve seen these get close to 40mpg, a focus st is really not similar

It's a good looking car very far from ugly

The chassis is very good. The 2zzge is a torqueless wonder below Lift but rips and sounds glorious when in Lift. The Achilles heel is the absolute garbage that is the C60 transmission. Tight and just ever so slightly slanted shift gates, the vague shifter feel. Combined with horrible 1-2, 2-3 gearing designed to improve 0-60 times at the expense of falling out of Lift meant folks were money shifting these left and right trying to get that perfect shift. The transmission literally killed the 2zz engine and killed enthusiasm for the platform. It is top 3, if not the worst, manual transmission I have ever driven.

@arcanevoid9199

5 ай бұрын

for what it is the 2zz makes good torque, its not torqueless at all. its got a very healthy stroke for an engine that can rev to 8500 from factory. its far from the worse manual transmission, not on the same level as hondas from the era but still pretty good. people just like to blame the gearbox as a whole instead of fixing the issues they are having

@daycrew

5 ай бұрын

That’s interesting, I loved the transmission personally, but I only drove it for a short amount of time.

@zze86

5 ай бұрын

@@arcanevoid9199 @daycrew yeah that's what people who thought they knew said way back when. Toyota unofficially limited MT GTS' production in 2001 and 2002 because of the transmission issues. That's why the majority of used 01&02 GTS' are autos. In 2003 Toyota came out with a slightly revised transmission. They still suck @$$ but the gates were slightly widened along with some other internal changes. Besides the horrible 1-2 gearing, it also featured TWO, TWO! overdrive gears and if we're gonna get nitpicky it should have gotten a shorter final drive. LSD was an option in later models so can't complain about that. People who say this is a good transmission clearly don't know what a good transmission feels like or what a good one can do to elevate the experience. ALL the C60 trans I have driven across all the platforms, Celica, Matrix, Corolla, MR-2zzS suck. Period.

@arcanevoid9199

5 ай бұрын

@@zze86 what is wrong with 2 overdrive gears? shorter final drive wouldnt help because its really the gear spacing thats the problem as youve mentioned, 1st doesnt need to be any shorter than it already is. LSD was always an option just not in every market, my 1999 7th gen has one which was included with the superstrut package. Havent driven a honda or anything but have driven multiple other manual cars and the celica still feels much nicer

@zze86

5 ай бұрын

@@arcanevoid9199 because you don't need two overdrive gears and could use it for something else? Make 5th gear 1:1 and tighten up the rest of the gearing. As for the final drive, it would help with the engine not feeling like a torqueless wonder, lol. I mean the FD in the C60 is pretty short already but going to a 4.7 would've made it feel punchier. Sure, RPMs would be sky high at highway speeds but that's why it has TWO overdrive gears 😂 Go try some actually good feeling transmissions. Then come back and tell me it's a good transmission with a straight face. You won't. Because the C60 sucks ballz! 🤣 Don't get me wrong I really like the 2zz and IMO the ZZT231 is a better platform than the EM2/EP3 and DC5 but the C60 straight up kills the overall performance and enjoyment.

I like how U.K. people call it selleeka 😄😁

$14,000 AUD is just under £7,500 GBP. And tbh... that's very much overpriced. I'm sorry but no Mk7 Celica is worth that much money.

@arcanevoid9199

5 ай бұрын

australian car market is very inflated, cant really compare it to most places

@arckk3728

5 ай бұрын

@@arcanevoid9199 Ah I see, that makes more sense. I don't live there so I have no idea, but if that's the case then fair enough.

Nobody can tell me that car is not gorgeous

@daycrew

Ай бұрын

It absolutely is gorgeous.

seleekas

@davejohn2335

Ай бұрын

It’s ok @daycrew you did a good history and review

No way you look at that car and call it "ugly".

@joseguerra4520

3 ай бұрын

Feo no,su problema son las presentaciones es lento y la fiabilidad tampoco salió bien en los 2zzge y algunos 1zzfe

ここはオーストラリアですか？

only a nonsense hater whould say the 7gen celica is ugly

5th gen was the best looking one

How can u recommend people who want a mk7 Celica to look for a gts model with the 2zz engine? That's were the problem with the celica started, that engine has many problems and is not reliable i will really recommend a gt version with the 1zz engine, is a lot more realiable and get his max 140 hp in the 4000rpm better than 190-2hp at 7000rpm risking your engine blows up. 2zz is not the way for this car.

@arcanevoid9199

6 ай бұрын

2zz is very reliable, 1zz isnt more reliable unless you suck at servicing which is an owner issue. 7000rpm in a 2zz isnt risking blowing it up, its designed to rev that high

@DimoS...

2 ай бұрын

2zzge is very good and reliable engine! 1zzfe 2000-2003 is for garbage🗑

yes it deserves the hate

Miatas arent cars😂

Great Review, cool Audio. New Subscriber Here

@daycrew

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed 🙏🏻

My issue with the celica is that they’re just too slow and weak. 140bhp on the VVTI version is just pathetic.