Extra props for the person behind this sim for literally calling the option "waste $25".

@RobotronSage

2 жыл бұрын

wow you people have no idea what normal is supposed to look like anymore do you

@andrewwoods2557

2 жыл бұрын

Got 2x 5 star gem after washing $2k on the simulator, I think this simulator is too generous.

@falsetitle6940

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewwoods2557 I got my first 5 star gem on the $500 mark. Edit: I just got my second 5 star gem after $9125

@SharinganMaster24

2 жыл бұрын

Got my first one at $10k

@clark2109

2 жыл бұрын

Best part is the "Waste $25" button also has "+800% Value" next to it lol

This sim sounds more fun than the actual game. And more honest.

@sabastianleisek396

2 жыл бұрын

That's cuz it's made out of passion from a fan, even if it is also made from spite.

@IshCaudron

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it's F2P.

@pvshka

2 жыл бұрын

@@IshCaudron and f2w

@VictorVonGrooove

2 жыл бұрын

"cheaper" too!

@HanDaimond

2 жыл бұрын

And Blizzard doesn't get a dime from it.

This is designed to create and encourage gambling addiction. This is why your phone is the recommended platform. Your brain not only gets a dopamine rush from the successes but learns (via distorted addiction) to also get a rush from the failures -- it's called "chasing losses". There are literal teams of ppl who 'think tank' every minute detail of these phone games out; from the psychology of it, to the timing and the pace, to the way features in the game look sound and act as a stimulus, etc.. I guarantee you this game is 100% without a doubt intentionally designed to make gambling addicts, encourage gambling addiction and bleed you (or parents) dry. "Diablo" is a fitting name bc this is next level evil and it's accessible for and in fact targets children.

@BlinddragonsLair

2 жыл бұрын

There is also the fact that mobile gaming has a wider audience than PC and console combined

@piouswhale

2 жыл бұрын

Its made to soak money from rich Asians. United States is not even close to the target audiance (or the Anglosphere for instance). Its made to soak whales from Korea China and Japan where phone gaming is their way of life

@happycakes1946

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlinddragonsLair And you take your phone with you everywhere.

@corbeau-_-

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlinddragonsLair yea, but for blizzard/activision the mobile market is sort of new. And they sort of tried money stuff on PC (that community is older, I guess) but people got real angry ;) Same people who booed immortal at blizzcon. Not their target audience, like said. Through wow they figured some people will game all day and keep gaming the more time/resources they spend. A monthly sub was nice, but people with a hole in their hand combined by an app, is better. Still, there's no rule telling you you need optimal gear. It is a bit of a character flaw, to be willing to buy your way to the top (the direct reason why it failed with the old community). At any rate, I booed at the concept from the get-go and don't really care. I've near given up on blizzard. Blizzard north is long gone and the company is basically an investment-vehicle. People want returns from their investment - even when it would bleed the product dry. Biggest problem of capitalism... It doesn't really care about anything but money and phones and the internet created an insane market of directable zombies ;)

@Joel-qo6gt

2 жыл бұрын

From the Diablo Twitter, "Evil is everywhere"

This is what happens when you let your unfathomably overpaid executives have final word on the cost of things in-game. They have no concept of what a real job pays, so they're like "$50000 to max out your gem slots? Seems reasonable. Ship it."

@vtipoman

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, they don't care about people maxing out stuff, they care about getting as much money out of them while they try. There's no way they didn't have an entire psychology team to determine how high they can set the estimated price/how low the odds given all the other psychological tricks. I'm guessing the final number was most concerned with the highest spenders - everyone else simply didn't matter enough, the game would trick them into spending anyway, even if they could never reach the max gems.

@JayceeVoZuri

2 жыл бұрын

Its all for the streamers because they are really fucking stupid and spending money like its nothing to usless things

@piouswhale

2 жыл бұрын

Thats not how it happens at all. They first identify a target audiance. For Immortals its rich Asian people who do nothing but play phone games all day. They are happy paying this type of money because the status that comes with it is what they value. They feel shame when theyre not the best so they swipe. Immortals wasnt made for average game enjoyers (tm). Its simply a way for blizzard to milk rich people. Nobody in their right mind is gonna swipe thousands of dollars on this reskin game. But remember, there are rich people everywhere that will because they have no concept of the value of a dollar

@NorthernRealmJackal

2 жыл бұрын

"It's a banana, Michael, how much can it cost? $10?"

@imtiredtiredtired

2 жыл бұрын

@@piouswhale Yeah, when i see games like Diablo Immoral i knew that the target market is those Gacha addicted Chinese / Japanese whales

Honestly the amount of effort and dedication people have on their quest prove how shitty this games loot boxes are is quite admirable.

@noobandfriends2420

2 жыл бұрын

The people spending money don't care and neither do Blizzard.

@Zxoshi

2 жыл бұрын

i guess but like he still gave them a bunch of money

@havoc8600

2 жыл бұрын

The shittiest thing about this, is Diablo 4 will break record sales and still have this type of shit in it

@Trigger99X

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zxoshi if it stops at least 2-3 whales then blizzard is losing much more than that

@CkyGuy69

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate them. I just hope their fight isn't in vain. Majority of consumers are not bright enough or do not care that they are being exploited and playing games designed around exploiting them instead of being designed to be fun. The companies have proven they are smarter than most consumers and people will happily pay money to get f******.

The fact this game's description on their twitter is "Evil is Everywhere" is really starting to take on a new meaning outside diablo's story.

@Skyverb

2 жыл бұрын

A true immersive experience

@TotallyNotRedneckYall

2 жыл бұрын

CircleToons said it best, "the great evil is here, and you gave it your debit card..."

@piotr7805

2 жыл бұрын

The person who's came up with that slogan was truly a cynic, or self-awarewolf.

@yeahgirl11

2 жыл бұрын

@@piotr7805 I like "self awarewolf" lol

@ghb323

2 жыл бұрын

A devil this time no longer wants souls, now they're after players' wallets.

You know what the worst part is? This is for ONE character. Blizzard explicitly stated you cannot transfer inventory items between characters. Nothing transfers. If you want to have a second character you will have to do it ALL again. You literally dropped an entire tuition payment for ONE character. Not TWO not THREE not ALL. ONE.

I tried out the Simulator: -The first time it took me $11,375 to get one 5* -The lowest I got was $375 for one 5* -The Highest I got was $28,150 for one 5* -And took $63,725 to fill up the entire slots for one character I could've used that money to get food, buy a tesla, a 98" Sony Crystal HD TV, bought a small house, buy a PS5, and get some Genshin impact characters.

@carlkamuti

2 жыл бұрын

When you say "small house" you mean garage, right? For the Tesla? 🤣

@cheesesteakphilly

2 жыл бұрын

I would spend that on a down payment on a house and a few months of mortgage payments. No need for a new TV or characters on another gacha game lol.

@LucasOhaiFilgueiras

2 жыл бұрын

9800k to fill up 6 gems in my try

@joem2457

2 жыл бұрын

you lost me at genshin impact characters

@GaleGrim

2 жыл бұрын

I ran 10 5star gem runs to find out their % chance. It's around 0.008% Cause of my gems the 10 5stars were 0.08 which means they show up 0.008% of the time, cause 0.08/10=0.008 at 25$ a pack it would cost around 250,000$ to get a guaranteed chance of 10. That's 10,000 packs of gems. If I've run that correctly... I'm not too good at math. And their is still a chance of failure, cause it's an RNG system so it's only a soft guarantee I made a spread sheet for it, saved it and called it "Diablo Immoral 5 star gem cost finder.".

Imagine spending 25 bucks every time you encounter a wild pokemon while shiny-hunting.

@gamerkingdom1442

2 жыл бұрын

As a Pokémon fan, this almost gave me a heart attack….. 😱

@Kim-py3iv

2 жыл бұрын

Shh! 🤫 Don't give them any ideas.

@munchies982

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it be $25 for every 10 encounters while shiny hunting, cuz this rolls 10 games at a time

@magicball3201

2 жыл бұрын

@@munchies982it's about 1/8192 shiny odds. Assuming that means every 8192 encounters you get a single shiny, that's 8192*25, or 204k. So a little more greedy than Diablo, but at that point, who cares.

@jowjowbro

2 жыл бұрын

pokemon go says hello. a raid costs 1dollar and a legendary pokemon has like 1/20 chance of being shiny there are other chances involved with different pokemon but the game doesn't tell you at all. while not as worse as this pile of crap its still pay to 'win' where winning at a pokemon game is subjective. getting a chance to encounter a pokemon because you paid money to me is pay to win

They had the balls to present this on stage and acted surprised when no one was hyped.

@piouswhale

2 жыл бұрын

He shoulda said “dont you have credit cards?”

@Gamer9o

2 жыл бұрын

@@piouswhale "Dont you guys have 100k$ ?"

@vladvlad48

2 жыл бұрын

I knew someone working on this project and I roasted him about it till we don’t talk anymore. He use to defend it. I wish I could reach out to him now to say told ya so jackass.

@TheMarc477

2 жыл бұрын

What’s weird is tho people still spend this money on the game

@UNothing

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMarc477 because there are people out there who are either suckers or really think 100k$ is pocket change.

Boycott the company: Stop paying for their products, be a conscientious responsible consumer.

@City-Hunter

2 жыл бұрын

@Daniel Sauerborn he's been co-opted by Bilderberg Group Money.

@mr.picklebaby4600

2 жыл бұрын

“Be a conscientious responsible customer” people in 2022 could never!

@vwave7890

2 жыл бұрын

You're not the target for this product, the company is already counting on not making any money off you. The target is whales who will spend this money regardless of what the peasants do.

@Edamori

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesBurks Yep. It's a fucking shame, but boycotting is almost impossible to effectively do against these giant corporations that have fingers in so many markets and industries.

@City-Hunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesBurks yes it does, through mouth to word, people left FACEBOOK/META, which has filed for Bankruptcy for example.

Ah remember the days when levelling up or making character progress was done with in-game currency

@MushookieMan

2 жыл бұрын

Grinding is also not fun. Modern gaming is cringe

@Onigumo.

2 жыл бұрын

@@MushookieMan so you never played old rpg

@nothingtoseehere9648

2 жыл бұрын

@@MushookieMan depends the grind, not all grind is created equal

@christianedwards9025

Жыл бұрын

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

Using that simulator, I got my first 5/5 star after $700. The second one took $12525. 6 5/5 star gems took a total of $29500. I now feel like I have experienced everything Diablo Immortal has to offer AND didn't spend almost $30k!

@Schmidteren

2 жыл бұрын

I just tried. Got all 6 with only spending a little over half what you did. :D One point I got two within 150 dollars!

@mOOOp42

2 жыл бұрын

@@Schmidteren Please buy a lottery ticket today. You'll thank me later with that kind of luck.

@Strakester

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think a lot of people realize that these "ultra rare" items in P2W games don't just have an abysmally low drop rate, THEY HAVE NO DROP RATE. In fact, they're handed out based on a completely different algorithm that basically isn't even random. Like the KZread algorithm itself, it compares your behavior as a user with the trends of players who are like you, and gives out ultra rares based on how it thinks it will make you a more profitable user, whether that means it thinks you're more likely to spend money in the future, or you have a lot of friends who will be made jealous by your superior items, and so on. That's why when EA was forced to disclose their FIFA loot box rates, their ultra rares were marked as "less than 1%" to disguise the fact that they literally have no concrete number to disclose, because the drop rate is different for every single player.

@j.r.hawkins3098

2 жыл бұрын

@@Schmidteren I feel like the game of trying to get 6x 5-star gems in the lowest amount possible is WAY more fun than actually playing Diablo Immortal!

@Alkimistah1

2 жыл бұрын

Got one at $650, 2nd at $2250, 3rd at $5550, 4rth at $5750, 5th at $15400 and 6th at $18200, for a total of 5338 1 stars, 1422 2 stars, 381 2/5, 112 3/5, 21 4/5 and 6 5/5. Grand total of 7280 gems. This is entertaining and free, so it is leagues better than Diablo Immoral.

So in Blizzard's mind, a 5* gem is roughly worth the same amount of money as a cheap car. Insanity.

@VioletDeathRei

2 жыл бұрын

No in there mind it's completely worthless but they are happy to take your car if you don't want it.

@Warmaster00

2 жыл бұрын

imagine the amount of games that you can buy with that kind of money, there is even a steam sale coming up, just the amount of content and gaming time you can have with that amount money, instead some people are wasting it on a game that will be dead in a few weeks, rendering their expenditure complete worthless

@Pentti_Hilkuri

2 жыл бұрын

Cheap car is $2000. That gem is worth 10-15 years of cheap cars.

@darfjosidd4082

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pentti_Hilkuri my thought exactly

@SanguineBlackBlood

2 жыл бұрын

The 5 star gem has no value. Period.

Apparently, they earned $50,000,000 in the first month alone and some say it might be up to $100,000,000 now. So you know what, I don't blame Blizzard. We apparently have an entire generation of degenerate gambling gamers that are turning our games into slot machines and casinos. No sympathy for these players anymore.

@Enricobon76

2 жыл бұрын

The same thing happened with graphic cards . For the last couple fo years prices were OUTRAGEOUS with cards sold well over 2.5 times their msrp (700 € became 1800 €) , but guess what ? Idiots were still buying them.. showing Big Tech that "we" can spend so much more than what was tought before

@MAarshall

2 жыл бұрын

You seem to not understand the effect these predatory "games" (slot machines essentially) have on kids. I hate mtx and never buy shit from in-game stores but kids are an easy target for manipulation and dirty tricks. Put the blame where it belongs.

@Edamori

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, let's blame the players and not the company. "If you play Diablo Immortal, you deserve to get scammed by Blizzard for thousands of dollars" is so incredibly short sighted and naive. These games are literally designed by hundreds of people to play on your psyche, to suck out as much money as possible from each individual person. Not everyone follows gaming news or knows that Blizzard is a shitty company with horrible morals at this point, and the artwork is well done and enticing. I don't blame people for downloading what looks like a fun game and then getting sucked down a rabbit hole of addiction. Blizzard is 100% at fault here, and it's actually disgusting that you would imply anything otherwise.

@AMotoVlogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edamori I’m sorry who made the player enter their credit card number? Who made them play the game? I guess there’s no personal responsibility anymore, eh?

@lycorisaurea8993

2 жыл бұрын

@@AMotoVlogger Both of you aren't wrong, the answer lies somewhere in the middle...

I really hope these simulators keep popping up to show kids how much they’re wasting amid how common loot boxes have become.

the thing is, even if $25 gave you 10 5/5 star gems 100% of the time, that's still a lot of money for some digital gemstones.

@lefterismplanas4977

2 жыл бұрын

If you need 100 gems then that's still 2500$ Assuning that you always get what you need

@lif6737

2 жыл бұрын

Can we just make it illegal for games to sell the chance to get something. Microtransactions are here to stay, but Jesus Christ, just let people pay for the items they want

@Dracosian4802

2 жыл бұрын

assuming each roll of the slots was 100% chance to be 5/5 and let us assume you got what you wanted each time...by my count $25x6x10 which totals $1500 and even that would be being overly generous

@scar445

2 жыл бұрын

@@lif6737 cosmetics would be fine, TF2 did a great job with their way of doing things.

@thedeegeesaga

2 жыл бұрын

Ikr?!

People need to keep in mind that the simulator uses the actual chances in its calculations. There's no way to know if Blizzard implemented special algorithms in their system to diminish or eliminate your chances under certain circumstances. For example maybe they've implemented code that prevents any 5/5 star gems from showing up at all if you haven't spent more than a threshold of money regardless of how lucky you are. There's no way for you to know because their code for the drops isn't audited. They could literally be rigging the drop chances entirely and you wouldn't know.

@regiliok

2 жыл бұрын

looks like you are going to be proven right

@FODOR00

2 жыл бұрын

I know a complete free to play player who got a 5/5 star bottled hope legendary gem from the free legendary crests he got.

@stuka80

2 жыл бұрын

@@FODOR00 that guy should play the lottery for reals lol

@maggiejetson7904

2 жыл бұрын

Laws in Japan at least mandates the posting of the worst case odd, so you know the worst case chance.

@mandzph

2 жыл бұрын

Very, very likely. In the gacha community there's this thing everybody refers to as the 'desire' sensor, where it's speculated that certain games watch your spending behaviour if you're looking at particular screens in the game to take a guess what it should NOT give you. God help you if you keep looking at a sword/waifu that you contemplated gambling for, for waaay too long.

for me, it took 314 rolls ($7,850) to get 1 5/5, to get 6, it took 990 rolls ($24,750). i averaged 1 5/5 gem every 165 rolls. honestly, simulating rolls and making a spreadsheet to calculate and examine my results was more fun than the mere thought of playing with surprise mechanics.

@thyhone71

2 жыл бұрын

When simple programming stuff like this actually produce more entertainment than the big ass corporate give you

The game isn't available to download where I live. Thought the government were just partypooping as usual, but after seeing this... Kudos for once standing for what's right! Great video.

As a wise man once asked the developers "Is this an out of season April fools joke?"

@JmLyan

2 жыл бұрын

"Do you guys not have money?"

@JaneDark94

2 жыл бұрын

"Do your parents have no credit card?"

@rickkhemai1443

2 жыл бұрын

"do you guys not have phones"

@coolrock3733

2 жыл бұрын

"Do we look like we even care about our loyal fanbase?"

@AyshKing

2 жыл бұрын

@@coolrock3733 Do we look like we have souls or know about the previous existence of Silicon and Synapse (Blizzard before it was Blizzard)

Keep in mind, this shit has gotten so out of control that a SITTING U. S. SENATOR wishes to know more about this whole fiasco. I am genuinely impressed by how consistently good Blizzard is at fucking things up

@MisterVercetti

2 жыл бұрын

Only problem is, that one senator has to go against 99 others, probably at least half of whom are in on the take. _Citizens United._ Remember that name, and remember it well, for it built America's fast track to Hell.

@shiguriyamamo6730

2 жыл бұрын

Making them the mother of all omelets

@HoLDoN4Sec

2 жыл бұрын

i pray to god that the federal government sue Activision Blizzard for this ponzy scheme lootbox crap for billions of dollars.

@speed3414

2 жыл бұрын

That's a nice argument Senator, why don't you back it up with a source?

@jurroth8384

2 жыл бұрын

@@speed3414 my source is that I made it the fuck up

And people told me I was a paranoid cynic years ago when I said EA was going to ruin the gaming industry with their money grubbing loot box BS and set a dangerous precedence that other developers would follow. The same thing is now happening with larger studios making a ton of DLC all of a sudden for a game that they've never done that before with.

My results on the fake money pit(just went to 10 5/5*s and total wasted threshold for each): -Echoing Shade at $8,375 -Seeping Bile at $12,500 -Bottled Hope at $13,900 -Zwenson's Haunting at $19,100 -Blood-soaked Jade at $20,250 -Blessing of the Worthy at $23,000 -Zwenson's Haunting at $24,200 -Blood-soaked Jade at $25,275 -Zwenson's Haunting at $26,500 -Bottled Hope at $29,150 I'm fairly sure that even the first gem is still more than I've ever spent on games, consoles and computers combined.

Thanks for using my simulator! You guys should check out the new version! I added Legendary Gem Upgrade System, inventory and statistics for acquired Legendary Gems.

@itsbrewsky5519

2 жыл бұрын

You are doing god's work my friend. Keep fighting the good fight.

@MK-iu5pv

2 жыл бұрын

thanks for this simulator! Its firee🔥🔥

@WeldonWen

2 жыл бұрын

Actually had great laugh trying this and roasting Blizzard with my friends. Can't imagine the same joy if we play the actual game. You're doing great work showing people the truth, thanks alot and keep it up!

@tvctaswegia497

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Is there a way to calculate how much it would cost to generate enough shards to do the upgrades to max ranks? This seems to imply you do nothing with the low rank gems, and only keep gambling until it gives you 5-star gems.

@tryintech839

2 жыл бұрын

thanks to your simulator, I got my first 5 star legendary gem for "only" $1175 USD! thanks for finally giving me the authentic Diablo experience we were all promised! now, I think I'll save that money and use that towards buying a nice mid-range desktop build instead now that GPU prices are finally dropping!

I have to say it's not often that we see a fantasy gemstone actually cost as much as a real life diamond.

@Barlmoro

2 жыл бұрын

you can choose, a game gear that will be crap in the next season or you buy a car.

@fritzfxx

2 жыл бұрын

Boy, ain't you ever seen a bitcoin? Those bitches are worth like 300000 normal coins

@calebbarnhouse496

2 жыл бұрын

This is fat more then what a real diamond costs

@Hornswroggle

2 жыл бұрын

@@calebbarnhouse496 Depends on the diamond you're going for... sure industrial diamond dust costs like 50ct/carat - but a several carat single piece diamond... that's a WHOLE other league, take a 2.5 carat diamond and you're already somewhere in the $35k-40k range

@calebbarnhouse496

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hornswroggle no that's what you pay for it, the diamonds actual worth is near nothing, they are very common stones in many places, the supply is just kept low artificially by giant companies that buy them to store them so they can sell some stones for a thousand times the price

Ah, I remember that time Blizzard said "it's morbin time." and then with a press of a button, they got morbillion dollars.

@MultiLimpet

2 жыл бұрын

They making insane profits on this game

I got lucky my first time hitting the "calculate the cost" button and got a 5/5 gem at $325. Still waaaay more money than what it's worth, even if that one single gem was all I ever needed to reach the end game.

Blizzard: "Don't you have phones?" People: Of course we do! Blizzard: Don't you have $100'000 USD? People: Go to hell!

@ericjamesraackf

2 жыл бұрын

Blizzard : We're trying to send you there

@tommyvercetti4687

2 жыл бұрын

the sad thing is this "out of season april fools jokes" or "dont you have phones?" debacles way back then is WAY less damaging than what we actually get the real thing (diablo immoral), at least we can meme those at the beginning.

@arrowghost

2 жыл бұрын

It's not just Go to Hell, I would have scream louder and give them 2 Middle Fingers and shout, "FUCK YOU, WYATT!" Other people better prepare some fruits & vegetables to throw at them too at the next Blizzcon

@socaltrojan286

2 жыл бұрын

@@arrowghost I'm looking forward to it. 😅

@adhamhakimi3188

2 жыл бұрын

Bang! Blizzard: Sorry, didn't catch that.

Fun fact, your 5th 5 star was a duplicate, so you can’t use it! Isn’t that great game design?

@matheusnunes1294

2 жыл бұрын

its quite ethical and fun

@humblecanadian1650

2 жыл бұрын

Yup you're correct

@IAmNotAllan

2 жыл бұрын

that was surely some surprise mechanics right there

@Not_Soundwave

2 жыл бұрын

With that in mind, I went and kept track of the gems and how much it took to get until the next non-duplicate. $20,750 for the first five.... and didn't hit the sixth until $41,125. I could buy actual real rare gems with $41k.

@humblecanadian1650

2 жыл бұрын

@@Not_Soundwave exactly why I quit the game

Sounds like a great partygame. Everytime you dont get a 5/5 gem, you have to drink a shoot.

@spiritofsound8469

2 жыл бұрын

You will die from alcohol poisoning before you even get a 4/5* gem XD

@100normalhuman

2 жыл бұрын

101 on dying from alcohol poisoning

@mmazvis

2 жыл бұрын

I miss read it at first, and though that gonna be one sober party :D

@yuki97kira

2 жыл бұрын

It would be ruled as a suicide pact

You should probably mention that at 3 spins, when you got nothing but a few 2 stars and many 1stars, you had already paid more than a normal AAA game. You could have bought many games with that. Good ones. And their DLC, which is just as debatable of a design.

@kiliandrilltzsch8272

2 жыл бұрын

There are also many cheap gems that are really worth their price like terraria or Ravenfield. Or games that are on sale. You can buy so many games for 25 (insert local money currency)

"I got a gem, it only cost $2500 this time!" "Lucky!" *This is what companies think of you now*

@Sines314

2 жыл бұрын

JUST FAIL TO CONSUME PRODUCT AND GET EXCITED FOR MAYBE CONSUMING PRODUCT!

@petrdolezal2604

2 жыл бұрын

1750 "only" with my luck i whould install Diablo and try my luck there .

@Lunatic_Crown

2 жыл бұрын

i think i got super lucky and getting around 1600 per gem

@itogisch

2 жыл бұрын

I should buy a lottery ticket, $1175 for me. Easy peasy.

@erossenpai2884

2 жыл бұрын

Gamers only have themselves to blame. Loot boxes are only so prevalent cause brainlet gamers have no respect for their money, dropping a dime on half a thought.

Imagine creating something worse than any previous lootboxes at a time when lootboxes are seriously being considered as gambling and something that should be banned from gaming. The worst thing about this is when you get lucky in a casino you actually get money. In Diablo Immoral, getting lucky just means you got one piece of gear that's stronger.... it's just horrible.

@kukuhimanputraraharja8084

2 жыл бұрын

mmo junky whales who fell for those scammy lootboxy mtx system: ooooohhhhh i feel so powerful after i get +1rank enhancement for my +9999 legendary stat stick! and that's with 0.000something1% chance of success!!!

@VotePaineJefferson

2 жыл бұрын

Really makes you question your life priorities when you see your peers spending more money you've ever had in your entire life ON A GAME.

@keiharris332

2 жыл бұрын

I think the worst part is once you get the 5 star gem, is it useful for your character? If not... then uh... you still didn't get anything worth keeping

@Toxicotton

2 жыл бұрын

Basically, you put money in and get an NFT out. This is capitalism run amuck.

@amzarnacht6710

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe this egregious design will finally get the politicians off their asses and force them to implement some serious restrictions on gambling in games marketed toward... well anyone, but children especially.

In my country the 40K dollars would buy you an actual house. Maybe not the newest or the prettiest, but still, an honest to god actual house.

Wow, "lucky" me! I managed to roll a 5 star gem in that simulator after only $1925! Blizzard, you will have neither my money nor my time.

"Blizzard should be utterly ashamed." Bruh, if the concept of shame was at all something they're consciously aware of, they sure as shit don't care. Hence why they've been doing this for years, without any gripes.

@judyh3707

2 жыл бұрын

We know they're not. But they should be.

@riatorex8722

2 жыл бұрын

They really should be once they found out that a U. S. Senator, of all people, is starting to get involved

@Qardo

2 жыл бұрын

Really shouldn't blame Blizzard solely. Activision is the one that wanted this and they did it. They are hiding behind the flesh mask of Blizzard. Blizzard is dead. Besides...this kind of BS is what caused EA get into a lot of trouble. Amazing how Activision isn't being sued by literal countries. I mean it is Gambling and a lot of countries have anti-gambling laws. Plus...the government isn't getting their cut of the gambling profit.

@shiguriyamamo6730

2 жыл бұрын

@@riatorex8722 Lmao, he gonna offer the mother of all Omelets.

@tippyc2

2 жыл бұрын

@@riatorex8722 who? I hadnt heard that yet...

Time to pass laws against this. I can imagine what some 10-year old could do with his parents credit card. I'll pay $60 for a game, but I will NEVER spend a dime in a P2W game.

@MrWashesp

2 жыл бұрын

Depending on the pay to win. But this is asinine and should be looked into as gambling.

@linusgustafsson2629

2 жыл бұрын

The companies don't mind. They'll just do F2P games and only force the vanity players to those same prices of thousands of dollars to enjoy the game while the others get to grind 4 years to be best. But wouldn't it be cool with a world where neither vanity nor competitive players have to pay thousands for borrowing digital images from a company?

@Dramatic_Gaming

2 жыл бұрын

There are laws being passed. Activision had to revamp Overwatch 2's cosmetics because current Overwatch's lootboxes have been deemed as gambling in multiple countries.

@mistralf1530

2 жыл бұрын

I actually see laws banning P2W being easily passed in the West. Both the gaming public and politicians despise these things (especially for targetting innocent children's developing minds). The only benefactors are the greedy shareholders who get their yachts.

@GastNdorf

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t even spend 60$ on games anymore, fuck them and their half assed bug riddled messes

This really shows how Blizzard decision makers are completely out of touch with their fan base. Immortal is not the greediest game in existence, the internet is chock full of subcultures where burning hundreds or even thousands of dollars for no tangible benefit is par for course. But treating Diablo fans as if they were Genshin Impact players is downright offensive. I considered purchasing D2 Ressurrected due my fond memories for the original D2, but this changes my mind. I may be a weeb with simp tendencies, but I will never do so for Bobby Kotick,

@RollerBaller

2 жыл бұрын

Piracy is always an option. You can have the game from the scummy devoloper and not give them any profit.

@ZX3000GT1

2 жыл бұрын

@@RollerBaller Can you even pirate an online only game though? It’s probably there, but it’s certainly rare to see.

@RollerBaller

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZX3000GT1 it's not entirely online, you could simulate a server

@ZX3000GT1

2 жыл бұрын

@@RollerBaller Yep. Basically a private server of sorts. Unless you can get what the data send and received between the server and the client (which can be hard depending on how the data's transmitted) as well as server behaviors (events, summon rate calculation, data saving, etc), it's not going to be easy.

@RollerBaller

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZX3000GT1 it's quite difficult but not impossible

I only had to "spend" $475" to get my first 5/5 legendary. Next one didn't happen until after $12,000. Should have stopped when I was ahead, at spending $0.

"We made 5/5 gems super rare so that when you get one you get that feeling of pride and accomplishment" Blizzard justifying its borrowing of that EA greed

@amandineamanda5630

2 жыл бұрын

100% with this

@unattain4773

2 жыл бұрын

Don't tell me they actually said that...FFS...

@Jyuxx

2 жыл бұрын

What f-ing accomplishment? How to waste more money than a car o a whole year worth or food for a few pixels in a shitty mobile game?

@Bulsara777

2 жыл бұрын

@Zack Smith What Microsoft has to do with this? The deal is not even through yet and the game was in development for years.

@SupahTrunks7

2 жыл бұрын

“That feeling of pride and accomplishment” also known as the rush of dopamine that is linked to gambling addiction

For the price of these pretty JPEGs you could just get actual gemstones.

@cavareenvius7886

2 жыл бұрын

A single 5/5 is almost worth a year of a german low pay grade employee. (single class taxes included).

@Spike2276

2 жыл бұрын

For the price of maxing out a character i might as well just open a jewelry store

@gManGabe

2 жыл бұрын

These pretty jpegs don't even have blockchain, so not even the cryptobros would want them. Congratulations to Blizz for creating something with less perceived value than NFTs lol

@blackzero786

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine spending 1 years worth of Rent for something that doesn't do a thing besides look pretty.

@The_hot_blue_fire_guy

2 жыл бұрын

@@gManGabe when even a useless monkey picture is theoretically more valuable than a digital gemstone you know you fucked up something and badly!

I played the sim and it was $22700 for 6 5/5 and $40325 for 10 5/5. Pretty sure I had at least one duplicate. The odds stayed pretty consistent for the 5/5 at 0.06% throughout the whole run. Total of 16110 gems 11876 1 star (73.63%) 3213 2 star (19.92%) 791 2of5 star (4.90%) 3of5 star 202 (1.25%) 4of5 star 38 (0.24%) 10 5of5 star (0.06%)

Hit my first 5* gem at just over $2000. Its funny how this website is more entertaining that burning my mon... I mean playing the actual game. On a side note if you have enough time you should check the website out again as it has been updated to actually allow you to simulate the gem upgrade system and it counts how many of each gem you get in total. Pretty neat

I LOVE how the button says "Waste $25" If we can't ban lootboxes and gambling mechanics entirely, we should at least force companies to put such a label on their buttons.

@williampeterson7032

2 жыл бұрын

Can't forget the "800% Extra Value" tag on that button. Too bad 800% of 0 is still 0.

@Jordan-Ramses

2 жыл бұрын

Would it be better if they took the randomness out and just charged? Maybe a little bit. But they could still make a horrible p2w cash grab without randomness. Look at Star Citizen. They just charge thousands of dollars per ship. No loot boxes.

@annekekramer3835

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-Ramses That's the rule in The Netherlands and Belgium: if you don't want the game to be gambling, the randomness needs to be taken out. Or the RL money needs to be taken out. You can talk to EA about how they feel about that rule;-) That's also the reason Blizzard didn't bother releasing it there. And I don't really mind, I hope the rest of the EU follows soon.

@Jordan-Ramses

2 жыл бұрын

@@annekekramer3835 but that wouldn't stop p2w. They just don't care because Netherlands and Belgium are small potatoes.

@Rellana1

2 жыл бұрын

@@annekekramer3835 I wonder if loosing access to the E.U would hurt their bottom line. You'd think so.

I'll say it until I can't say it no more: This monetization scheme NEEDS to be criminalized.

@Tyrim

2 жыл бұрын

Actually in many European countries it already is criminalized, and the game is banned in grounds of gambling. Let's hope other countries follow up.

@Providence..

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I just wish they were explicitly honest about what it is so those who don't like it don't waste money and those who do like it waste their money.

@DentStyleNewsNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

One thing to remember, specifically with trying to mandate control over monetization in the US. Once the US government gets in and starts noticing they can pull strings in the industry they will grab an inch and take a mile. I don’t like this shit just as much as everyone else but I have a feeling I’d dislike government control over video games even more.

@MarkDeSade100

2 жыл бұрын

@@DentStyleNewsNetwork I can't even consider this PTW, lootbox garbage "video games". Real video games are made to be fun, not scam people. I have no problem with the government regulating the hell out of monetized trash as long as they leave real games alone.

@DentStyleNewsNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkDeSade100 I agree but the thing is the government wouldn’t, we would get more milquetoast games than we already do from AAA developers and higher restrictions on imported games because the government would be able to decide what is appropriate for our nation and culture, just like Australia tries to do.

Did the simulator, got my first 5/5 at $725, first 6 unique 5/5s at $12675. Pretty damn lucky comparatively. Then it took me $77475 to have a copy of each of the 9 gems at 5/5 and $96100 to get 6 to rank 10. If I had the money to spend on that, I'm sure I'd totally feel the pride and accomplishment

I mean I get it, it's atrocious as a system. But this system, as bad and worse, has existed in the mobile sector for near a decade now. I was playing a card collecting game, which needed duplicates in a similar fashion, to upgrade, in 2014. barely any graphics, no real gameplay, just a "my 5 star beats your 4 star" or "my 5 star fire beats your 5 star poison" or whatever. People were initially spending $100 a week, then they upped "maxing" things out every week to $200, then $600. Eventually it got to the point where spending $2000/week, and there were plenty of whales even then. They then "shut down" XD, due to "lack of money to maintain servers", basically the CEO just ran with the money from memory. Even now, I play Mir4, the whales fuel the F2P economy. As a F2p player you farm materials to sell on the market for the whales to buy so they don't have to spend days grinding for materials to upgrade or craft items, or fill out the many varoious stat pages you use with % chance to fail the higher they get (and on failure can reduce your stats). Seen plenty of whales that have sunk 100k USD into characters to get a Legendary item. If you were to buy all the things in the shop as they appeared/refreshed/whatever, you would probably spend 10-20k a week, roughly. And if you just bought gold (real money currency used for various things), it's like $100 for 4k gold. And it costs 1.2-2k gold per (depending on the type of) material summon, 11 pulls at a time. I did the calculation awhile back, to get just an epic core material (not including the other materials you need to use alongside it) you can spend $500-2000 for each. Then there's "spirits" (pets) which have a similar draw rate. And legendaries, well you need 4 of each epic to combine at a chance at a legendary. You're looking at 10's of thousands before you get a legendary from combining. This has been the mobile/microtransaction model for a long time. I was not even remotely surprised that's what Blizzard went for with Immortal. That's why I haven't even looked at a single thing about it since they announced it with the infamous "do you guys not have phones?!" panel. I knew it was going to be arse, I knew it was going to be littered with microtransactions that were mandatory to progress. Diablo is core action RPG with loot mechanics. To even pretend you're making it mobile to make it more accessible, rather than cashing in on this insane mobile market of whales, it's sickening.

The whales who actually spend $40k to get their first 6 5-star gems will try to justify it by saying, "Well it's worth it to me because I'm having fun". Here's the thing: if you asked 100 people, "What would you do if you could spend $40,000 just on having fun?", I'm sure that ALL of them would give a better answer than, "Pour all of it into getting some virtual magic gems in one game".

@suisui5930

2 жыл бұрын

These "rich people" are probably the same people that buy nfts and "modern" painting

@wakeup3843

2 жыл бұрын

It’s so much worse than that. All this human suffering going on around us. People literally homeless, starving, living pay check to check, or can’t even afford medical care for themselves or family members and you got a group of rich sociopaths flexing or dropping money for virtual rewards because they are bored. And blizzard places themselves at the head of this human suffering and exploitive food chain. This is not the way!

@watsonwrote

2 жыл бұрын

@@suisui5930 At least those things can be sold for more money down the road, lol. They're both investments and not bought for their artistic value. They're either for laundering money or as part of an investment portfolio. You can't sell a Diablo gem for more money than you spent gambling for it

@ElHarmonyV

2 жыл бұрын

give me 40k and I can buy all the games I want including dlc, and then spend the rest on food and electricity.

@Riley_MDS

2 жыл бұрын

I would buy gaming PC first, pay all rent, then use it to buy better tools for my art work, the rest is for food and gaming, but I won't play many games cuz I only play games that seems fun to me and at least F2P

This is the way to do it. I'm sick of hearing about streamers who feed tens of thousands of dollars just to "show how bad it is".

@Sawarynk

2 жыл бұрын

yeah it's actually beneficial for Blizz. Some dude spending $16k is probably more than a thousand of regular f2p enjoyers would've spent combined. This is literally rewardng Blizz for being trash.

@CatcherMorningstar

2 жыл бұрын

Because protesting or boycotting really worked in the past 🤡

@830927mjki

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sawarynk each streamer that does this is costing them all the people who quit the game. While this games are all about getting money from whales. Studies have shown that its the F2P players that get the whale to keep playing.

@Sawarynk

2 жыл бұрын

@@830927mjki fair point, however would like to see estimates on whale spends for D Immoral.

@btnhstillfire

2 жыл бұрын

F2p players are the problem, John? Thats single handedly the dumbest thing anyone has fucking said all week. No, its 100% the dumbass streamers and youtubers. Ppl playing for free dont keep anything going. Im not watching these idiots spend real money. Only other idiots dpending money on it will watch other ppl do something as fucking dumb. Wtf do free to play players care to watch someone pay to win?

whats worse is, they found out that once you max out a 5/5 star gem, there's slots for MORE gems that appear and the estimated costs went from 100k~150k to like 550k+ to full power.

tried the sim, 28k for 6 5/5 gems, and i know for a fact that at least 3-4 of them is useless for most if not all meta builds without even having ever played the game. and that is indeeda very important factor to consider, whatever or not that gem you get is actually the one you need for your build or if it's useless for you, this makes the estimation of 100k to actually be rather low, and the recent 500k estimation for the very top max gear to also feel a bit on the lower end. for example, the freedom and devotion gem, its entirely useless for anyone who's not running a summoner build as that gem give bonus to summons, and defiant soul is useless if you dont run a block build as that gem gives bonus to blocking, so im thinking that 100k-500k estimation feels more like a best case scenario estimation. oh, and those 28k usd is equivalent to about 2 and a 1/4 years worth of income for me.

I'd love if the creator of this also added a "Loot-box Exploring Time" stat that just added 5 minutes per roll so you can really see how much time you'd spend having fun opening your lootboxes! Because money isn't the only factor in this system since they tried sidestepping the lootbox label in Immortal.

@joshualowe618

2 жыл бұрын

In Yong's case here, his simulation did a total of 2,228 spins (55,700 dollars divided by 25 dollars per spin). Multiplying that by five gives us a total of 11,140 minutes of lootbox opening, or approximately 186 hours of raw, undiluted game time not accounting for bathroom breaks, sleep, or other activities.

@dublindutch6346

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshualowe618 horrible :( that is pure enslavement

@CZpersi

2 жыл бұрын

There is the "total gem" number. You can multiply that number by 5 to get a number of minutes and then divide the result by 60 to get the number of hours required.

Finally, the modding community has cut out all of that silly ARPG bulls*** and left us with unadulterated loot in its purest form.

@TheCatVtuber

2 жыл бұрын

Not really modding, this is a 3rd party tool but still. Point made, mate

@maggiejetson7904

2 жыл бұрын

@@I_am_a_cat_ You know what might be cheaper? Find a job as a dev so you can play with the development source code, get tired of it, then quit the job and never spend a dime on the game.

@GashimahironChl

2 жыл бұрын

@@maggiejetson7904 Even better, instead of wasting cash on it, you're getting paid to help fuck people over! 💪💪

@rhythmandblues_alibi

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, this is really the heart of Diablo Immoral's game play so.. yeah, cut out the fat!

@elihfisher1059

2 жыл бұрын

@@maggiejetson7904 that might just be crazy enough to be confusing

Not even spending real money and I'm still pissed off at how poor the drop rates are 😂

Even with 100% garanteed 1 5/5 gem. You needing 6 for your gear, and assuming no duplicats, costs you 150$!! And 100 each to max out all 6 gems, again assuming perfect rollsof 1 per roll and no duplicats beyond the ones you need, means 606 rolls. So 15'150$!!! Even assuming you get only perfect 10 5/5 rolls every time and no more duplicats then what you absolutely need, will cost you 1'515$!! Thats basically the same as buying 2 tripple A games every month!! And thats with absolut perfection rolls. With the above of 1 garanteed 5/5 gem per roll, you basically need to buy 1 tripple A game EVERY DAY! And thats with 1 garanteed 5/5 gem every 25$ roll spent.

I love it. In Argentina, 40k is a pretty decently-sized house (depending on where, might be bigger or smaller). Dudes be charging you a house for a shitty game's equipment gem.

@agunemon

2 жыл бұрын

Similar in the philippines too hahahha

@mr.flippy4571

2 жыл бұрын

@@bizarrebra he didn’t prove blizzard’s point he showed how bad the monetization system in this game is

@PoptartParasol

2 жыл бұрын

@@bizarrebra If the dude has that much money to spend he must not be much of an idiot. But maybe that's just me

@archmagemc3561

2 жыл бұрын

Oh you unfortunate soul. Move to Chilli, same house no spending limit.

@sbagas8369

2 жыл бұрын

@@bizarrebra They're streamers. They can afford their gambling addiction. You shouldn't follow their example, and you fucking bet those streamer will play any gambling related games anyway in the future. They can do it tho, and whale the shit out of shitty dev games maybe even lick their ass in the process, and then told their audience not to do the same shit. Some influencer they're

The saddest part is, even without Quinn and other KZreadrs taking the L to show their audience how bad this system is this game is still selling gang-busters and that's just wrong...

@xpapadeliciosox3986

2 жыл бұрын

I mean blizzard did make 42 mil I do believe soo they aren prob celebrating

@HighLanderPonyYT

2 жыл бұрын

You really think they would've done those spending spree stunts if it was an L for them overall? So naive.

@michaeldougherty6036

2 жыл бұрын

It's mobile. Honestly, Blizz should have never ported Eternal to PC. Keep mobile trash where it belongs.

@akmal94ibrahim

2 жыл бұрын

ActiBlizzard is relying on the Asian market. Just wait till it booms there, especially in China.

@ezka3037

2 жыл бұрын

its like Blow...always selling and not good for you

Hilarious that I got an ad for Diablo Immortal at the start of this video 😂

I tried getting 6 gems. Here is what my results were: Attempt #1: $1,375 Attempt #2: $4,375 Attempt #3: $9,625 Attempt #4: $10,000 Attempt #5: $11,625 Attempt #6: $17,475 ...I miss the old days on PS2 and Xbox where there was no patches, DLC, microtransactions, seasons passes, broken game launches, lootboxes, disc locked content, lack of content at launch, cookie-cutter copycats with no originality, 120$ collector's editions, games that focus on style over substance, Ultimate Editions, GOTY Editions, Complete Editions, and all of this crap that doesn't belong in gaming yet it all still continues because a bunch of idiots still support it blind and oblivious. Literally you bought the game once and THAT'S IT.

Honestly, even having to spend $300 to complete a game or get the whole game is absurd. To have to spend hundreds of thousands to do it is madness.

@r0bw00d

2 жыл бұрын

Madness? THIS! IS! BLIZZARD!

@macnac3940

2 жыл бұрын

lol

@kerrykent9325

2 жыл бұрын

To buy all the sims 4 packs is over $800 😬

@durtypan

2 жыл бұрын

Most I would spend on any single game is 60$ and even that is rarely done

@cesarce5184

2 жыл бұрын

This is a mental ilness level

Oh, by the way, something I forgot: You can't equip duplicates. So getting 6 5/5's doesn't guarantee you that power because *THEY CAN ALL BE THE SAME FUCKING GEM.*

@DaosVasheer

2 жыл бұрын

I figured they would make those gems unique. This is how you fleece people into giving you money for nothing.

@UltimaKeyMaster

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaosVasheer What's amazing is you can accidentally see this early on. Out of...a little masochism I tried to see how far I could get free to play but my phone is a bit of a heat sink for this game for whatever reason so I stopped at level 28 when it was still an okay shrunk down D3. And I noticed immediately from the free rifts I could do that I got duplicate 1 star gems. Boy that poked a hole in their approach because I immediately saw an aspect of the gems not even Joshstrifehayes discussed.

Love that Diablo Immortal was an ad on this video.

I've only walked out a casino at a loss once... You gotta be able to read the machine and sit at the ones with the oldest mechanics, least electronics, and smallest payouts. If enough time passes it will restart it's initial payout system. Often this mean you'll end up 1-2 dollars up after 3-4 pulls. Always max bet on line machines. If it doesn't bump you up in 3-4 sometimes 5 pulls. Or get the hook out.. that means it was sat on recently and isn't reset. You'll walk out barely up by saving all your tickets. And cashing out. Never put your winnings ticket into a machine. It knows your not a new customer by inserting that vs a bill. This works at Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods. The only time I've gone home dry was because I was betting on horses. Most I've ever walked out extra was $85 But it's usually only 5-10$

I design and produce casino slots games, and I resent being compared to Immoral's monetization model. We need to go through so many hoops to get certified and get a game live, it boggles the mind how this 'micro'transaction model is not outright banned.

@rateater1857

2 жыл бұрын

I know right? In the UK, casino slot games need to have a certain return percentage (RTP, return to player) in the upper 90% to be allowed by the Gambling Commission, and need to have safety options possible to implement (user self-limits and the like), and really, comparing lootboxes to gambling is offensive *to gambling* which. Really says a lot about lootboxes.

They really went out of their way to make the most heinous piece of software possible, didn't they?

@redherronrecords

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you have endlessly deep pockets?

@cradaker2193

2 жыл бұрын

This is when EA says "hold my beer"

@guyverGODZILLAheiseiERA

2 жыл бұрын

*C Radaker* EA written and DIRECTED by m night shamalan 🤮 ( the worst game in all mankind)

@dibbidydoo4318

2 жыл бұрын

It took them 5 years to do this.

@attackoncake4851

2 жыл бұрын

Their reputation was already smithereens before Immortal, they prob just said "screw it" people already hate us now, then just proceeded to craft this evil software. It's likely their way of milking the fans one more time before they bite the dust.

So I asked myself watching this, is this worse than Genshin Impact? Short answer: Yes Long answer: BAHAHAHA So the ultimate goal to build a functional character is to get seven copies of a given 5 star character, and 5 copies of their designated weapon. The paid currency in Genshin Impact is called Genesis Crystals, which transfer 1:1 into Primogems. 160 Primogems equal 1 Intertwined Fate, the currency you need to summon. Gacha has a pity system where you are guaranteed a five star character after 90 pulls. The fun part though is that it's a 50/50 whether or not you get the five star character on the banner (which only one character per banner, so there's not RNG on that), or one of the handful of standard banner characters. The grace though is that if you lose this 50/50, you are guaranteed to get the banner character on the second 50/50. This means that after 180 pulls, you are GUARANTEED a copy of that specific five star. You can also win 50/50s consecutively, I'm on a streak for that atm. 180 pulls comes out to 28,800 Primogems, so seven copies guaranteed of a given five star character is 201,600 Primogems. Each character also has a given weapon that comes on a separate banner (which is both convenient but also kinda scummy). You are guaranteed a 5 star weapon after 50 pulls. To guarantee a copy of a specific weapon, you select it on something called the Epitomized Path. Every time you pull a weapon you don't select as your target in the Epitomized Path, you get a Fate Point. At 2 Fate Points, you are guaranteed to get the weapon on your path. So this comes out to 150 pulls to guaranteed a copy of the weapon. 150 pulls comes out to 24, 000 Primogems, so five copies guaranteed of a given five star weapon is 120,000 Primogems. Put that together, and the cost of a fully maxed out character with their maxed out preferred weapon is 321,600 Primogems. How much does this cost though? Well 6480 Genesis Crystals (which converts 1:1 to Primogems to reiterate so I will just refer to them as Primogems from here on out) is the highest package, and comes to $140 CAD. After conversion and adding a little bit for tax, let's say it comes to $110 USD for a bit of wiggle room. Better to estimate high is my philosophy. So we take out 321,600 Primogem number and divide it by our package of 6480 Primogems, and we get 49.6 something. Let's round this up to 50 for nice numbers and besides, you might want their outfit later if applicable! $110 multiplied by 50 packages comes out to $5500 USD. A far cry from the insane number rolled just here. Now if you know Genshin, you know that you have four characters on a team. So let's say you won the lottery and want to build the most cracked out Genshin Impact team money can buy. Well, just multiply that figure by 4. It comes out to a staggering $22,000 USD. Let's take it a step further though! One game mode in the game, called Spiral Abyss, asks for two teams of four. So let's double that figure! Your number is now $44,000 USD. That is insane, if you have that much money and blow it on Genshin may whichever God you pray to if applicable have mercy on your soul. With this though, you will never need to make a purchase again. You can stomp the entire game with this, and there's no PvP so the meta is literally what you want to use or what you want to bring to co-op. Compare that to what we rolled today, to if I recall barely start optimizing, a mind blowing $55700 USD. Now I'm not saying Genshin is saintly, far from it. The game is beyond predatory, the stamina system is horseshit on the best of days and like Diablo Immortal, you can miss out on your log in bonus rewards that you pay for, it's ridiculous. But listen, if you can compare a game to Genshin Impact and look significantly WORSE, you've done something wrong. Disgusting.

I find it funny how rolling for the first gem cost you just over half of your total expenditure for all six. It's like they rig it after your first 5/5 so you wanna go _just_ that little bit farther for each subsequent one.

Based on Yong's run in the simulation, I could by myself a car with that amount of money or maybe even the high-spec gaming PC or even better, I could use that money to pay for a house I need. Spend wisely my guy. My worst fear is that they would use Diablo Immortal as a testing board for how they would monetize Diablo IV that will be releasing next year.

@deadinside8891

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, you could buy a NASA level PC and still have money left over with the amount simulated.

@mpzakhaevski8988

2 жыл бұрын

Thats enough for a sports car on the cheaper end

@seeyouauntie

2 жыл бұрын

Then don't buy/play Diablo 4. Easy peasy

@andrewgause6971

2 жыл бұрын

A high spec gaming PC costs maybe 2500. And thst assumes you're going alllllllll out. For the cost of outfitting one of these characters, you could buy a *house* in some areas of the U.S.

@deadinside8891

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewgause6971 bruh, my work PC is like about $5,000. You could buy multiple of these PC’s with the money simulated

There's one huge difference between casino and these P2W mechanics in video games - regulation. Real world slot machines (and real world gambling in general) are extremely heavily regulated and subject to random spot checks, where federal agents will walk into a casino, pick a random machine, and will test it for compliance with specified winning odds. Basically, they are making sure that machines are not designed to never let you win, and that the odds are true. Video game loot boxes are subject to no such things, so there is no guaranteed return on these nor is there anything stopping them from giving you anything of value in return. That's why video game companies are constantly fighting to make sure loot boxes are NOT classified as gambling, so that they don't have to play by the rules.

@kukuhimanputraraharja8084

2 жыл бұрын

we need matrix fbi agents to do inquisition check on those loot boxy gacha video game companies.

@IssenKai

2 жыл бұрын

not even considering as bad it may sound casinos are much better as you can get money or real things like cars from them, in any loot boxes you only get virtual items, and even those virtual items don't last in the nba2k games FIFA and madden ones you lost almost everything you had from the previous one when the new ones come out.

@spritemon98

2 жыл бұрын

I can't wait to see them loose that battle

@sircinabun5478

2 жыл бұрын

I've recently been watching card counters and they make sure to not give in to "random spot checks". Only get checked by Police Officers and when you first enter, make sure the Police Officer doesn't give out the personal information either. What casinos try doing is recording your information to prevent you from entering other similar places. The information is easily shared on linked databases once recorded. You also need to get checked if you won a certain amount of money for tax reasons so I would check the laws first. I remember seeing a case where a fake officer somehow didn't get taken in by real officers. The context was the fake officer worked under the casino and tried to pressure the card counter into giving away personal information when it wasn't necessary. The real officers for some reason didn't pay the fake officer too much mind for the felony of impersonating an officer.

@MagicTheKrakening

2 жыл бұрын

not at indian casinos... there are no spot checks at all and they do not publish the odds of the slot machines either

Instead, you can get an amazing system to play, purchase many great games, travel to different countries, buy a car and still have money left to invest or put in the bank.

According to Google, the entire Steam library without sales is 523940 USD. One game making people pay in comparable costs is just insane.

Took me "3k" for my 1st 5/5 gem in the simulator! Hell, I just uninstalled Diablo Immortal and I am just going to play this simulator!

@Ashtari

2 жыл бұрын

At least with the simulator you'll get your money's worth out of it.

@xCobraCommanderx

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah well Russia is uninstalling Banderite Nazis in Ukraine. 🇷🇺

@lazyperfectionist3978

2 жыл бұрын

took me 7k for my first one

@Shadow-iv9ft

2 жыл бұрын

I got one at "975" somehow... The full 6 was just shy of 20k

@RisingRose

2 жыл бұрын

took me $6150 in the simulator for the first 5-Star Gem

Wow. For that money you could just straight up get one of the most powerful gaming pcs in the world, every game on your wishlist, legit copies of super high end software and professional to personally coach you on how to do anything you want, so you could have your career, hobies, and entertainment settled, as well as having so much left over that it'll be decades until you end up with a pc weak enough that you notice stuttering on the best graphics.....

@meganinja456

2 жыл бұрын

Nah man gimme sparkly jpeg

@damienblackmore5318

2 жыл бұрын

With $40,000 you have a house deposit in Australia. Just saying.

@benny_lemon5123

2 жыл бұрын

For that money you could pay for a whole-ass brand new vehicle, or put a down payment onto a home purchase lol

@chrispham6599

2 жыл бұрын

@@damienblackmore5318 as an Australian, I FUCKING WISH 😭😭😭

@supasonic9499

2 жыл бұрын

One legendary crest costs 160 eternal orbs. You can buy 60 eternal orbs for $0.99. You need to spend $3 for one legendary crest (getting the $5 for 315 orbs is just 5 orbs shy of two legendary crests). One person won't care if they lose $3 playing a slot machine, just like someone else won't care if they casually drop thousands of dollars on an excessively expensive computer. Personally, I think it's dumb to spend that much for a computer, but who am I to tell you how to spend you're money?

Just stop playing video games. These greedy companies won't quit until they realize the fan base is no longer a zombie horde just begging to be "the best". The best at what? Wasting your real life in exchange for pixel clout? You'll just move to the next game and keep chasing that dopamine hit. Take it from a vanilla wow player back in 2005. Nothing will ever feel the same. But you'll spend countless hours researching, playing, reviewing, and spending. Just to always repeat the cycle.

using that website i got 3 5/5 by 3000$ and a 4th by 8500$ but the 5th took another 10k.... wtf i hope people stop playing immortal and convince the gaming industry to stop this BS.... i know they wont sadly.

"Can you really be proud of this?" What a silly question, Yong! The Devs behind Diablo Immortal, naturally, feel an incredible sense of pride and accomplishment.

@onyxcitadel9759

2 жыл бұрын

in fact they will smile gleefully at their work and even point to how well their revenues are...

@prime_optimus

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Let's blame the over worked and underpaid devs for this because rich executives can do no wrong.

@r3zaful

2 жыл бұрын

@@prime_optimus diablo only made around 20 millions past 2 weeks. It is still only a minnow compared to the giant in gacha games like fate grand order. Also if you think that this kind of monetization will work in Japan, it won't. Most people play story driven games here, so people pay for characters not numbers.

@yoba867

2 жыл бұрын

@@r3zaful Different models, although I'm suprised they went with Netease for Diablo. Genshin made ~100 in past month but it's more or less one hyper invested game (I know there are more but still very few) company. Same for FGO or priconne or whatever. VS Netease model that pumps out cashgrabs, gets money and closes them down. 20 mil in 2 weeks is a very decent number for pump and dump game

@electrospud9230

2 жыл бұрын

of course they are proud, they made Millions by releasing it a few days ago, EZ money from WHALES and ADDICTS

Great letsplay here Yong, i'm really feeling the full diablo immortal experience. My senses of hard work and satisfaction are going crazy right now

@bificommander7472

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you mean your sense of pride and accomplishment?

@bentonic4998

2 жыл бұрын

My "pride and accomplishment" nerve was fried by these wonderful monetization systems LONG ago

This is so disgusting to see. Blizzard... you've outdone yourself this is exactly why these lootboxes are banned in my country.

Now I'm feeling super lucky, I only wasted $29150 to get six, 5 star gems. Who's the loser now Blizzard?

(actual programmer) There could be *anything* in that code governing loot generation. Did it take Blizzard over a year to make a standardized call to a random number generator? Noooooo. That work was thrown into 'fine-tuning' the process. The loot generation merely has to *appear* 'random.' If Blizzard wants to artificially hold you back from getting your next gem, then there is nothing stopping them from doing just that.

@CatOnACell

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes the "they got a 5 star gem last roll lock them out of 5 stars for 300 rolls" and "make sure they get a 2/5 and 3/5 and 4/5every 5-15 spins" to keep the dream fresh.

@elam3654

2 жыл бұрын

@@CatOnACell ...include an 'equipment rating bar' that tells the player they're 'inadequate' until they upgrade their gear.

@osets2117

2 жыл бұрын

That's why most games like this have a pity system, of which I'm assuming this game does not

@deadprivacy

2 жыл бұрын

so so the casinos, lol, why you think they steal like they dont care,

@FlameUser64

2 жыл бұрын

@@osets2117 Oh it has a pity system. Very technically. Every 50 spins you get a guaranteed "?/5" gem. which means even on that pity spin you have a 1% chance of actually getting a 5-star gem.

It always blew me away how numeric values in games codes have litterally obtained an artificial value, and have made companies probably close to a trillion dollars

@369Sigma

2 жыл бұрын

Addiction is very profitable. Hell, if you think about it 50% of our industries are fueled by addiction.

@theotherjared9824

2 жыл бұрын

Less than 1% of the player base makes up over 99% of the revenue because they are psychologically unable to stop themselves. Casinos have strict laws in place to make sure these people are not exploited for all they're worth, but games get away with it because lawmakers either don't know about it, don't care, or are in their pockets.

@PastPositive

2 жыл бұрын

@@369Sigma Food included.

@dicariel

2 жыл бұрын

I think there’s a greater conversation to be had about things we find valuable

@369Sigma

2 жыл бұрын

@@PastPositive hence fast food. I’ll admit I’m a sucker for Arbys roast beef and cheddar tho… 😒

I just got a Diablo immortal ad mid video. It even included a banner notification pop up for a quick link to install. Disgusting.

$33,975 money spent 1359 boxes 1 box = 1 sec (at least one second) 22 minutes. Clicking every second, 1359 times total for 22 minutes. One crucial thing you need to remember: we don't know how the algorithm works. Blizzard might say 1/2000 is the chances for 5*, but we'll never know for sure the real odds or if there's another algorithm, for example, that lowers the odds for first 5* but increase for 2nd 5* then decrease again to make you addicted to opening chests.

Guys I did it!! I beat the odds!!! I got a 5 star gem on the simulator and I only had to spend almost 400 bucks for it!!!! So affordable and healthy gameplay loop!!!!

@bromora989

2 жыл бұрын

400? It took me 10k to get a 5 star in the simulator, you lucky bastard xD

@MoistYoghurt

2 жыл бұрын

I got $75 on my first try than $1,775 third was $3100

@johnnykotletti4614

2 жыл бұрын

Got mine after 3750 $

@DignifiedRonin

2 жыл бұрын

First 125$, 2nd 675$ and the 3rd stopped at 6450$ ... didn't press a 4th time because i'm already frustrated.

@chaoz0123

2 жыл бұрын

My first one was at $350

Took a crack at the simulator myself, and my results are as follows. I had Notepad open to log my results, and I decided I would stop when I got 6 different types of Gem, labeling each as to what I think they looked like (helps to track Duplicates). Otherwise, for each roll, I would log the new total US Dollar amount (shortened to USD) spent to get to the new Gem. Also random aside, but I did all that while listening to the Galadril Mines track from the Blackthorne OST on loop just because I found the spinning slot visual of the simulator jived really well with that track's beat. Results: USD to 1 5/5 gem: 17450 USD to 2: 21750 USD to 3: 22875 USD to 4: 30350 (Duplicate: Blue Teardrop) USD to 5: 31575 USD to 6: 34125 (Duplicate: Turquoise Skull) USD to 7: 47125 (Duplicate: Turquoise Skull) USD to 8: 52325 USD to 9: 62950 (Duplicate: Red sphere being eaten) USD to 10: 64625 (Duplicate: Blue Teardrop) USD to 11: 68250 (Duplicate: White Sphere with Gold Circle) USD to 12: 69150 [GOAL REACHED: 6 separate gem types] Gems: White sphere with gold circle: 2 Blue teardrop: 3 Red sphere being eaten: 2 Turquoise Skull: 3 Azure Orb in Squid Hold: 1 Crimson on Demon Head: 1 Gem Count after reaching Goal (as read on the Simulator) 5/5: 12 4/5: 70 3/5: 347 2/5: 1396 2: 5575 1: 20620 Total gems: 27660 Total expenditure: $69150

@TheJerknoid

2 жыл бұрын

NICE Just needed $270 more for the perfect total cost

@komi-samabeliever7319

2 жыл бұрын

I found it funny how your efforts for record the results, calculate the money spent and write it on KZread comment are much more works than Immortals dev trying to hide its hideous gambling predatory. I don't know what to do, should I laughed at the absurdity or cry for the direction we all headed into...

@burstness

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@guguy00

2 жыл бұрын

nice I mean not at all that amount is fucking terrifying. AND I PLAY THE SIMS

@venrajful

2 жыл бұрын

Just for fun I did some calculations with your numbers to see how long this would take you cause you'll also need to run the actual rift before you get the gems. 27660/10 = 2766 rift runs. let's say doing a run takes 5 minutes and buying more crests for a run takes about 1 minute so 6 minutes per run 2766*6=16.596 minutes 16.596/60=276,6 276,6/24=11 days 12 hours and 36 minutes of continuous play with no breaks to get all the gems you need to fully equip one character.

I like the way the legendary crest faces bob as it calculates, almost as if they are all laughing at you

1st 5 star I got after $3,100. 2nd one I didn’t get until spending a little over 16K. Stopped the simulator at that point. I love how the single use button says, “Waste $25” lol. I feel like this simulator provided the 1-2mins of fun I would have had playing the game for free, and then allowed me to avoid the p2w end game. Thanks Yong and Simulator Guy!

@Dintelpen

2 жыл бұрын

Well getting even 10 legendary rift (not even eternal) would roughly take 5 months

@songogu9

2 жыл бұрын

I got 6 gems just shy from 8k. I guess the simulator may be a tad overgenerous

@joshuac2991

2 жыл бұрын

RNG gods must have been with me, the site threw a 5/5 at me with only $175 spent.. which is still absolutely fucking stupid.

@VeXeDZERO

2 жыл бұрын

Dude I thought you actually spent that much money for a second there

@songogu9

2 жыл бұрын

@@VeXeDZERO if I had that much disposable income I'd be spending it on hookers and drugs, not virtual equivalent of AIDS lol

This absolutely needs to be illegal or at the very least held to the same standards as other gambling businesses especially since its targeted towards children. Complete scum bags im proud to say I haven't played a Blizzard game since WoW like 8 years ago and I will never buy another Blizzard game for this and all the other known scumbag activities.

@xd-qi6ry

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not targeted towards children at all.

@littleloner1159

2 жыл бұрын

@@xd-qi6ry ah right because only adults over the age of 21 play this game Reasonable assumption for sure.........

@maapaa2010

2 жыл бұрын

@@xd-qi6ry copium

@IDKYHM

2 жыл бұрын

@@xd-qi6ry that’s why it has been banned in my country.

@macnac3940

2 жыл бұрын

could just buy a nft and have better luck getting a profit

Here's the thing, One streamer, spending 16K to prove it's bad, may put off say 200 people who would've put in say... 200$ each, that's $40,000 for blizz out the window. Now each of those 200 people tell 10 friends not to play the game, that's another 2000 people not spending any money, and it VERY quickly spirals into Millions not paying to play this bs cashgrab game.

KZread sent me here i haven't played diablo immortal but i gave the sim a go. I had much the same "luck" as the video and decided I would stop spinning once it went over $100,000. The first spin took me around 8k by 18k i had 4 gems, then I didn't get my 5th gem until 44k. The biggest streak was between 80k and 88k i got 6 gems bringing me to 21 gems. When last spin broke through the target i set and stopped at $103625 with 24 5/5 gems. I actually think this was probably a fairly decent run through without doing it again and I expect if I were to try it again to average around 1 gem every 5k, and without re-watching it I think he said each gem could be slotted with 9 of the same gem? so assuming you get every gem on target you need 60 gems that's $300,000, this completely nuts I can only hope that there is a reasonable way to earn these in game, but I have to say its shenanigan's like these which drove me from blizzard. as to weather the streamer wasted money by doing this, i would put it to you that they did not, bure this simulator was made and also illustrates the difficulty, but there will always be some people who don't believe it unless they see it firsthand, in my mind, if the streamers sacrifice saves one or more family's from going through losing multiple 10's of thousands of dollars for nothing, its a sacrifice worth making and i thank them for it.

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

@garyleigh

2 жыл бұрын

Someone needs to make this War Games meme.

@dr.wolinsbelt

2 жыл бұрын

Joshua!!

Ive always wondered the mental gymnastics it takes for people to say “its free they need to make money!”. So let me get this straight. For 60$ a game is supposed to be a complete experience. But if its free they’re allowed to make infinite money off me? Literally makes no sense, even for free games that gouge you 1% as much as immortal is trying to.

@saihiko9967

2 жыл бұрын

That I agree with, 60 dollars, complete experience, free equals the worst monetization humanely possible

@oteedez2019

2 жыл бұрын

It also depends on the games you're talking about though. Something that may get a handful of updates and then left alone with no servers as a 60 is perfect complete game. But then there are these free games that are intended to be played over a much longer period of time like Warframe or Destiny 2, and there's the issue of server costs. So monetization through cosmetics and extra items aren't terrible as more content will come unlike most 60 dollar games. Sorry if this doesn't make the most sense rushed typing it out due to life.

@irritatingtruth9121

2 жыл бұрын

Well if end game IS the game. This dude spent 15/16k (US) to buy / play a game.

@TheKickPuncher

2 жыл бұрын

@@oteedez2019 That's what they want you to think.

@Mutavr

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Somehow, no one makes an ftp game that is capped at 60$, on which point you get the full experience

"Ya Bill, all you got to do is gatcha loot gems ($5/box) until you find a gem and then you can resonate them ($25/resonation) to level 10! It's so cool cus once you hit that you can add them to the cycle of samsara (First born child to add). After 10000 turns (1 organ/turn) you can resonate them ($35/resonation) again!"

I sunk 5000 hours into a game called Trove back in 2016-2018 and watched dozens of "top players" sink $100,000+ each into the game because of RNG loot boxes. I spent $800 myself over those 2 years but could never compete with the pay to win players in terms of leaderboard...gameplay wise I had basically the same experience as them.

I believe I've heard that Quin intends to compile everything and send it higher up to actual investigators and make enough noise for the big wigs in legislation to actually ban this thing in at least New Zealand. So if that's true, he didn't do it just for a publicity stunt. On top of that, he is sadly on the lower end of the big twitch spenders, which is just straight up ridiculous.

@Tarquin47

2 жыл бұрын

Without proof of that claim he's just another whale with a saviour complex that pretends to 'take one for the team' while knowing they'll make it back through revenue with no regard to the people prone to gambling that covering the game will affect. This game should have been buried and forgotten, but streamers smelt blood in the water.

@MarkDeSade100

2 жыл бұрын

I hope he succeeds! And he's been a serious Diablo fan for years, so the fact that even he's disgusted by this game really shows how bad it is.

@LadyIno

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tarquin47 maybe it will get buried after Asmongold meets with Ted Cruz, they intend to talk about loot boxes. That would be a historic gaming moment

@theblackoutexplorer2658

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tarquin47 I mean the proof will be when he sends it off I guess. What other proof could he give for it besides just doing it. Like he’s already recording the shit wouldn’t be that hard to send it off. If he wanted to do what your saying and gain the clout for still doing what he said. Spend cash->make cash-> send it and it actually fucking works-> fat fucking respect bonus. Or It doesn’t work and it’s like fuck I tried still a respect bonus either way

@oscara8454

2 жыл бұрын

@@theblackoutexplorer2658 i don't get people. This is a win win situation. Streamer gets clout. Their audience sees how bs the games is. They get headlines which gets them more clout and more eyes on this shit.

Even when you're just clicking buttons in a simulator the dollar amount feels diminished. It took me a moment to remember that I balk at even spending $10 in a mobile game, and $100 would be ridiculous to me. And even if I had cash to waste I'd still feel terrible throwing it to Blizzard instead of doing something productive with it.

@lif6737

2 жыл бұрын

I spent $6 on Elder Scrolls Blades and felt cheated, but at least I for what I specifically paid for. I can’t imagine spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a game like this and genuinely receiving useless items over and over. You can’t even use the dubunked argument that these systems build anticipation and reward because they’ve become so exceptionally exploitative that more than likely you’ll get nothing you wanted or can use.

@CafeCrisp

2 жыл бұрын

Paid 40 dollars for monster hunter rise. Also bought a second witcher 3 with expansions because i think these companies deserve it

@afg-akajanpubg430

2 жыл бұрын

With 100$ you can buy a lot of actual good games to entertain you for a whole year. I bought witcher 3 goty edition for 9,99$ and played it for 250hours. Heck you can play LOL dota2 without the need of paying a single dollar for it. Blizzard is looking at people seeing money bags.

@Warmaster00

2 жыл бұрын

i only buy games on a sale, i like getting my maximum amount of value out of my money, and this lootbox thing to me looks like the equivalent of burning money on a fireplace.

@RobotronSage

2 жыл бұрын

@@lif6737 why tf are you spending money on blades? That's some serious mobile trash and you're literally part of the f***ing problem.

I'm a man in my mid thirties whose been out of love with gaming for a few years now. When I see this it just shows me why as they've for so complicated and about more than just buying a game and playing it as is.

basically any P2W game based on chance should be dealt like on-line casino. Age restricted, monetization restricted (no advertisement allowed, limited access to online payments, huge tax burden, etc...)

You, too, can completely max out your gear, for the low, low price of **Dr. Evil pinky** _ONE HUNDRED _*_MILLION_*_ DOLLARS!_

@scar445

2 жыл бұрын

you know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frigging laser beams attached to their heads! Now, evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that, that can't be done! Now, can you remind me what I pay your people for? Honestly, throw me a bone here. What do we have?