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@bahrul4675

2 жыл бұрын

nice

@iamryansanchez

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Yong

@theaxolotlgod1204

2 жыл бұрын

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@79thinline

2 жыл бұрын

!

@Militchick

2 жыл бұрын

. = The End.

It’s disgusting and the fact blizzard acts like they don’t understand why it’s bombing is pathetic.

@aahzmandiaz2767

2 жыл бұрын

The fact that they do not even understand why this is immoral just means for me, I will never ever buy another game from this company ever again. I do not trade with outright criminals.

@M1N0rZ1rC0N

2 жыл бұрын

Especially when people are yelling it in their face like when this game was announced. Those boos were met with a stupid do you not own phones comment.

@xm26legend31

2 жыл бұрын

When idiots keep paying this stupid like the game isn't failing

@DaffyTaffy93

2 жыл бұрын

Microsoft needs to hold blizzard on a tight 1 foot chain with no slack and slap them every time they think something stupid.

@cloud9847

2 жыл бұрын

what's pathetic are all the people still giving these companies money.

"Do YoU gUyS nOt HaVe PhOnEs" keeps replaying in my head every time I see anything about this game. Same game, same energy, same company not caring about their fan input, different flavours.

@Valn91

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, and unfortunately when Diablo 4 comes out, most people will suddenly get amnesia and will flock to the game as if none of this ever happened.

@MikeyMutz

2 жыл бұрын

Do you guys not have $500,000?

@BRNDMYR

2 жыл бұрын

@@Valn91 yeah. :(

@TR1PLE_6

2 жыл бұрын

Now it's more like "Do you guys not have mortgages?"

@Manwendlil

2 жыл бұрын

@@Valn91 i would not...

"who cares, we already got their money" - Blizzard "and when Diablo 4 comes out they will throw their money at us again forgetting what we did" - Activision 🤜🤛

@anti-youTV

2 жыл бұрын

This. It’s a lose lose scenario.

@janniknielsen9292

2 жыл бұрын

I think Blizzard will finally pay for their arrogance. All the credit they had accumulated is not only gone, but in the negative. And their new markets don't give a shit about them, because they only know them as a trash tier developer.

@Lahartz

2 жыл бұрын

Fanboy will still throw money at acti/blizz

@Hauntaku

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lahartz The simps are the biggest problems :/

@Toto-95

2 жыл бұрын

hard to condemn them seeing how much money they make

Several Streamers: "I sunk $1,000,000" on the game. Monetization sucks, I'm quitting." Blizzard: *bathes in cash*

@matdoosh

2 жыл бұрын

"Hey youtubers we've actually LOWERED the drop rate even more could you.... Do that thing again where you test it? Cheers, Bli$$"

@jktz122

2 жыл бұрын

@@matdoosh lol

@MangaGamified

2 жыл бұрын

Are there streamers with proof? there's a MTX simulator for immortal's cash shop

@chinafuture6484

2 жыл бұрын

This is basically what Asmondgold did, only he tricked his fans into paying for it.

I quit the game before I even started. That to me is the biggest reward the game has. Avoiding predatory games is truly winning.

@leeviheiskanen1271

2 жыл бұрын

I was trying to download the game, but my phone didn't support it 👍

@PuchimonExtreme

2 жыл бұрын

@@leeviheiskanen1271 Nice. Now preserve your phone when it inevitably breaks down. After that, you can tell your kids that this phone was worth/saved about 15,000 USD at one point in time and you technically wouldn't be lying.

@blaket1841

2 жыл бұрын

@Type 36 Hachimoto Apparently the new flex is buying video game micros and streaming it on twitch. Then these morons encourage other people to do it leading by example. Also there's a certain part of the gaming community that are whales with too much disposable income that results in games being designed this way. I honestly think kids look up to twitch streamers as they're kind of the modern celebrity now. Being able to buy more power to shit on the players using the game for free or very little spending is addictive to them I guess. The mobile phone market has pc game studios seeing dollar signs and they want to shift to that type of monetization to see billions instead of millions. What you end up with is a plethora of terrible games designed merely as cash grabs rather than passion behind the products. It's like that old saying when the financial suits make all the decisions instead of creative minds who love what they do.

@brennanwn

2 жыл бұрын

Time to draw the line on the sand

@thaliacrafts407

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone, talk to the children in your life about this. Explain to your brother and your niece that this is a trap and they shouldn't fall for it when they are older.

If I could spread one nugget of wisdom in my life, it would be this. When a company makes a game that has monetization that is CLEARLY for the 1% of players, then the developer doesn't WANT the 99% to play it.

@powerhouse884

2 жыл бұрын

Words to live by…. Very wise my constituent

@Setixir

2 жыл бұрын

This isn't entirely true though. Whales get their jolly from crushing people who don't pay, not from besting other whales. If you don't have fish to kill even the whales get bored. Whales need an audience.

@svenstevenson2245

2 жыл бұрын

I mean... they do, if only for the whales to "whale" upon in pvp, but rather than not wanting them to play, would be more accurate to say they don't care for the "non-payers"

@lasskinn474

2 жыл бұрын

They want the 99% to tell the 1% how cool they are for boosting them

@Am4t3r4su

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no they need the 99% to be fodder for the 1 %. They just gave absolutely 0 incentive for the 99% Unlike many f2p games do.

Let's be honest, this should have been the initial response. Enough millionaire streamers have pumped thousands into reinforcing the design already. This should have been boycotted on release.

@chinafuture6484

2 жыл бұрын

Asmongold even tricked his fanbase into paying thousands of dollars on his character before quitting the game like a week later. 🤣😆

@solidus_spence

2 жыл бұрын

@@chinafuture6484 Asmongold's the definition of loser

@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny how some of the most staunch critics of media and games like this are also their biggest supporters. Always playing games and watching the shows they claim to hate...

@lexslate2476

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, I didn't play it but that's mostly because of the last bunch of shitty things Activlizzard did. I honestly haven't been keeping track of all their awful behaviour, because they shot past the tolerability event horizon at high speeds years ago.

@PerMejdal

2 жыл бұрын

But the streamers could not know how far it went, before they where 1.000s of dollars in.

The disheartening part is that they've probably made so much money of this thing already that they consider this a win, regardless of any public backlash, and that is just, terrifying as far as business models go.

@BroadwayRonMexico

2 жыл бұрын

Not as much as you'd think. They've made somewhere in the ballpark of $20-30 million on it, which sounds like a lot, but isnt even the break-even point, and is a fraction of what Diablo 3 made in the same time frame just from box sales. And it's a small fraction of what Genshin Impact (which was a brand-new IP) made in its first month. It was a complete failure for them financially, and that's not even factoring in the damage it'll likely have on D4's sales The game wasnt a success for Blizzard. They were dead-set on catering it to the Chinese market where they'd probably have made a lot (since by Chinese standards, DI is pretty bog standard with its predatory practices and doesnt even stand out as the worst example. Chinese players would gladly pay money in DI), but they managed to get the game banned there for a social media post.

@arashitendou5941

2 жыл бұрын

@@BroadwayRonMexico just have to wait to see what happens come before and after Diablo 4’s release

@MangaGamified

2 жыл бұрын

The best outcome would be, politicians would catch wind of this and entirely ban this from their area of responsibility, best would be someone banning Immortal from their state if not country.

@Veridiano02

2 жыл бұрын

@@MangaGamified Politicians are the ones on the end of Blizz's money. Stop counting on anyone inside a political party to do anything that could ever beneifit anyone but themselves and those who pays their campaigns. However, the "I'm good with my millions" is not correct. As Broadway JR pointed out, they made money, but not even a fraction what they wanted to do, and what is worse, not at all what they EXPECTED to do. This entire fiasco is that, a fiasco. This isn't a success, not even close. This has been a disaster and PR is much more important than many people seem to think. Asmongold, or anyone similar had a lot of power to mobilize people and if they want to boycot Blizzard, that will hurt a lot. So yeah, don't think this has been a success in any posible way. Diablo Immoral has been a fiasco, a disaster a shitshow of great proportions for Blizzard, and it's probably back Blizzard's (not Activision's, and not King's) mobile brand back a lot, if it's not already being disbanded.

This monetization scheme needs to be criminalized.

@manoz6194

2 жыл бұрын

You forget that the entity that "criminalizes" things i.e the government, is itself a criminal entity. Taxes are a monetization scheme

@boomerwow8482

2 жыл бұрын

It’s simply too expensive. It’s like $2.25 per gem power, with the chance to get lucky and have a reward (a five star gem) that lowers the cost to 7 cents per gem power. You reach a point where you start needing 50+ gem power for an upgrade and you don’t have a way to ensure the price stays reasonable. The first $50 might get you 5 upgrades but it might be $5,000 for five upgrades down the line. You always get gem power for your money, so it’s not outright gambling where you could walk away with nothing like in some other games. They can’t criminalize it in the US broadly, but maybe individual states could outlaw it with one approach or another.

@scottydu81

2 жыл бұрын

It at least needs to be regulated like casinos

@BlackBinderGames

2 жыл бұрын

Why? People are choosing to spend their money on this crap game. Why should you get to dictate how people waste their money?

@orektez

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottydu81 ya your right, even casinos have to pay out a certain amount of times, this is just a scam.

If it feels like a scheme, its probably a scheme. You're being taken advantage of, they're laughing at you, quit before you lose. With games like this you are never winning, even if you feel like you are

@MyAramil

2 жыл бұрын

Jokes on them. I have not played an activision/blizzard game in close to 6 years now? because even back then I was seeing the bad it was getting to.

@jethrodark2372

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine spending thousands and thousands of dollars to gear yourself, only to realize u will have to do it again when another patch or season comes out lol.

@NetBattler

2 жыл бұрын

It could be better if it was a console version and no microtransaction

@crystalwings4520

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda reminds me with Shadow Sae Nijima from Persona 5; she have a casino palace which is rigged so she could win all the time. Probably a perfect portrayal of what ActiBliz does right now.

@onlywithbuts1781

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It tests the very niche people if they are willing to go that far and long behold, some actually are and it is enough for them to sustain or gain enough to justify their horrible tactics.

The issue is blizzard made their millions already. All the streamers that helped make it happen are now threatening to leave. Those streamers are the problem already. Who gives a shit if they only leave now.

@richardhanck972

2 жыл бұрын

The figure I've seen tossed around for Diablo Immortal was $24M made in something like 18 days... Diablo 3 sold 6.3M units in the first week... Figuring a 25% profit per unit and a $60 sticker price, that's $94M dollars... in a week. Blizzard would have done better without the predatory MTX... Instead, we got "do you people not have wallets?"

@Hauntaku

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardhanck972 More like "Don't you guys have disposable organs?"

@Nowaylarry

2 жыл бұрын

The amount they've made is still less then they made off Diablo 3 (not even a third of the amount D3 made). Considering the costs of development, the game could be considered a financial failure if the player exodus continues. Which would serve them right. The sad thing is that the executives won't be effected by that. Only the regular workers.

@-Merkuleez

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nowaylarry this game will make them a lot of money in the next few months. Cannot compare a pc release to mobile. Plus Diablo 3 had Diablo 2 holding it in its shoulders in a lime light.

@richardhanck972

2 жыл бұрын

"the game could be considered a financial failure if the player exodus continues." Halleluja. The programmers and such don't get profit-sharing deals. They get paid by the hour or by contract just like any other working stiff. Worst case is they'll have to do is change jobs.

What’s fascinating about this story is that is took sooooo long for these streamers to quit. It’s like they were hoping, REALLY HOPING, it got better. Just leave it. Don’t play it. Don’t give it any attention. They should spread that word.

@Decision69

2 жыл бұрын

It's because controversy brings a lot of views. i.e. 50k+ viewers for the guy who spent 16k Once everyone realized how terrible the game was, viewership died out = no $$ KZread videos are pretty much the same. Wudijo before Immortal averaged around 8k-30k per video, after immortal, 8k-200k But he received tons of dislikes per video up until he quit.

@EdgeVStriker

2 жыл бұрын

@@Decision69 Companies like Activision/Blizzard will always continue their method on monetization of their big titles because they are counting on the stupidity of their consumers to continue purchasing microtransactions because of the curiosity stirred by streamers who need the exposure more than anything. Avenues like that will only serve as free marketing for A/B and make profits for them. They will check out to see how Bungie incorporates their tactics with their mobile game down the road. If it makes money, why fix it? They are counting on that demographic of consumers that purchase a new Madden, Fifa or COD game.

@Shabazza84

2 жыл бұрын

They make money from their hyped viewers who sub and donate thousands per „bashing“ stream. Ofc they don‘t come online and tell everyone it‘s bad and play something else. It‘s their job to make money with it first.

@EdgeVStriker

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shabazza84 Exactly! Meanwhile, Activision and EA and other major companies will continue pushing these kinds of games with the predatory monetization features because it’s quicker and cheaper to make while they count these struggling streamers to push their product in order to make money. Vicious cycle.

What disappoints me the most is that it took a company going this far, squeezing this hard, for people to finally say that enough is enough. Because now they'll just throttle it back a little bit, and people will say it's "reasonable," and forget about it. Things getting this bad is obvious to anyone who can connect the dots. Give them an inch, and they take a mile, but they take that mile inch by inch.

@blackenedtiamat2807

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo

@tomthespaceknerd5396

2 жыл бұрын

What disappoints me is how many gamers will continue to support a company with a rampant culture of sex abuse (to the point where an employee killed herself), a CEO who threatens to kill people and suffers no repercussions, that has fucked over gamers and staff on multiple occasions, that cozies up to despotic regimes, and that's just the tip of the iceberg, but will finally stop playing ONE of their games when it hits them in the wallet. Gaming media and gamers should have stopped supporting Activision Blizzard a long time ago.

@georgejones5019

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. They'll come with BS PR statement of "Look we understand, so we fixed it sort of." People will say "look they made a move in the right direction, let's forgive them and move on." No, cut the head off the snake. Just leave it to die.

@shadowblood95

2 жыл бұрын

Could have made the same game again. And still printed money with it. But nah let's actually bleed these people dry and make bank until they freak out. Then pull back a little on the COMEBACK installment.

@jaegermonster9549

2 жыл бұрын

"We have heard your voice blah blah blah blah better experience blah blah the journey for a great game with your help blah blah "

The issue with games like these, is that they do not need all these players, they will literally sustain themselves off of a few chunks of players who've invested themselves too deep to just start believing they can't quit. Edit: So a lot of you are trying to argue "Well if there's no other player to play against they will leave as well." While true to a certain extent, there are many phone games out there that require no PVP to keep the whales hooked, if they cannot stomp in PVP, they will continuously stomp in PVE content, be it new or old. It's all about the power fantasy.

@ryaku5

2 жыл бұрын

What's worse is they think they are in control. If they refuse to quit, it won't matter. As soon as it stops making money, A-B will pull the plug on it and repeat the cycle.

@guybrush20X6

2 жыл бұрын

There is one caveat to that, depending on the genre they will need "minnows" for the whales to feed on and I don't think Diablo is a very single player experience.

@AlgaeEater09

2 жыл бұрын

By 'few chunks of players' you mean the WHOLE CHINESE MARKET.

@THExRISER

2 жыл бұрын

Whales.

@freecomkcf

2 жыл бұрын

debatable now that diablo immortal's effectively banned from china for a winnie the pooh reference

As a long time gamer, I would safely say that "Diablo Immortal" is undoubtedly the most insidious example of monetization in video game history. The swines at Blizzard have gone so far down the path of greed that they've definitely outdone themselves. What a disgrace!!!

@daniloberserk

2 жыл бұрын

And yet, those "influencers" and streamers instead of boycotting the damn thing, just spend this amount of money to "criticize" after. I'm don't who's the dumbest at this point, probably people who donate for those people to support this game might be the dumbest. Even dumber then people who support this game at any level of $. How in the F gaming got to this point it's beyond me, but the worst problem is the community itself and how they consume products. STOP pre-buying games! Then don't suffer from scarcity like actual consoles. People say a lot of shit about Nintendo, their practices and their pricing. But THANK god that I can still pay for a game (or a DLC) and actual play the game and the DLC without any "surprises". I just don't buy any stuff at "pre-sale" and never had any issues. Also, no Cyberpunk 2077 surprises either at marketing a game at unbelievable levels and not delivering it.

What I want, is everyone from that Blizzcon stage to have to come back and explain this. This game is EXACTLY what the people in that crowd figured it would be. Fuck Blizzard.

At this point Diablo is the best Advertisement camping for Path of Exile lmao

@dexinhd7486

2 жыл бұрын

Just watched your BV video then came here! Small world even on KZread !

@dubiousinformation1756

2 жыл бұрын

Path of exile may be old at this point, but it's still going strong.

@theatmaweapon

2 жыл бұрын

Already has been since D3.

@SInisterEdd

2 жыл бұрын

nah pick up grim dawn, its leagues better.

@Stalker950-l3x

2 жыл бұрын

Or Grim Dawn ;)

The saddest part of this is maxwell was part of the alpha to try and help make Diablo the best it could possibly be. They gave them their time for free because they love the game and would gladly help them improve it. Blizzard turns around and uses what they have learned from maxwell against the player base to make it worse and anti-free to play. Maxwell “how can we help”. Blizzard “thanks for your help and we’ll use what we learn to screw over the player base”.

@Fxrrxt2x

2 жыл бұрын

Am I wrong or is that actually insidious?

@colossusslayer1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fxrrxt2x It's pretty messed up

@lancef8291

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't get much lower than this.

@Aereto

2 жыл бұрын

If only we replace everyone in the government and focus on passing regulatory laws. We are well past the point of goodwill here, so everyone is going to suffer for their actions. We could have gone the nuclear option and put mobile gaming under a regulatory body, but people are addicted to games of chance. Too soft.

@2st486

2 жыл бұрын

i think its hilarious maxwell got sentenced to 20 years for having trafficked children to "nobody". oh wait....wrong maxwell....

Back then: "Do you guys not have phones?" Today: "Can't you guys just take loans?" Blizzard will milk the cow as long as they can. And when nobody is willing to pay anymore, they just declare it as the gamers fault, not their fault.

@daniloberserk

2 жыл бұрын

I mean. It is in the end... Any people who's supporting that shit is even worse then Blizzard itself as a problem. Regardless of how "addiction" work at a mental level and how we still miss proper regulation for this practice. In the end, those whales supporting this are the reason why companies will keep going at that route.

Painful to see that there have even been players to leave the game in the first place. It was absolutely 100% obvious and transparent what the game had to offer from the very week it launched. If you're disgusted by what Blizzard did with the game, why pick it up to have an exodus in the first place? You would've needed 5 minutes to read up what was all over the internet instantly upon release. Good for them to leave the game and tell everyone that the monetization is the only reason the game exists, but nobody should be streaming this garbage. Not even to crack jokes at it. It should be punished by being ignored by both streamers and players.

Hats off to Blizzard in giving us days of entertainment in KZread watching so many videos butchering this scam of a game. Entertainment without ever having to download Blizzard's junk of a game and not spending any money.

@altortugas5979

2 жыл бұрын

I tried it for a week. Wanted to see how bad it really was. Now I’m not looking forward to Diablo 4. This killed the franchise for me.

@sechran

2 жыл бұрын

It's kinda like Fallout 76 for me - until recently, I never even played any of the Fallout games, so had no horse in the race on a franchise level. Still, it was still very entertaining seeing that digital three stooges routine endlessly faceplant down an ascending escalator.

@Arielsantondesign

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agreed hahaha. This just made asmogond, bellular etc even richer hahaha

I wish they would have done that BEFORE they blew their wallets into the game?!

@MorbidDesire860

2 жыл бұрын

yeah they're so dumb for even getting into it

@LordOfGilneas

2 жыл бұрын

*Shrug* Optimism Is a great way to wind up making great mistakes.

@septacular7

2 жыл бұрын

hear hear

@wantnotwant

2 жыл бұрын

ikr, I get showing how greedy the game is, but giving Blizzard money to show how money grubbing they are...seems... counter productive

@thomaslacroix6011

2 жыл бұрын

I think there is a component of morbid curiosity. They have the cash, it's their job, so there is a tentation even if it is stupid.

Thanks Yong for keeping the fire on this topic. People scoff but ignoring crap is how the industry got so terrible. If they want to keep spraying shit on us I have absolutely zero issues with them continually being called out on it.

An important thing to keep in mind with Blizzard and Diablo, is the Overton Window. Blizzard might be making a cash grab with Immortal, but another goal could be to move the Overton Window of acceptable monetization to a more greedy direction. I would love for Diablo fans to judge Diablo 4's monetization scheme not in relation to Diablo Immortal, but in relation to Diablo 3 or even Diablo 2. In my opinion, a Diablo 4 with "only" X% of Immortal's pay-to-win monetization would still be a spit in the face of fans.

Now remember folks, Blizzard will try and backtrack their Monetizations when the Diablo Immortal backlash finally hits their wallets. However, stand strong. Do not return even when they "Pause" the Microtransactions. Do not touch this game ever again and let this be an example that we've had enough. DO NOT return and use the excuse "But it's good now" like No Man's Sky. Otherwise, you are going to feed them the ideas that this works as long as they step back later.

@emanmodnar2

2 жыл бұрын

I've been casually introducing people to Grim Dawn. Not quite the same but has enough similarities to scratch the monster mashing loot drop itch if Path of Exile is too complicated for a player.

@jakban7435

2 жыл бұрын

Im thinking we should bomb headquarters, track their families and go to town on their wifes.

@mrmcgee6026

2 жыл бұрын

Except no mans sky actually changed. Dont do those devs like that again because hello games ACTUALLY cares

@SIPEROTH

2 жыл бұрын

No man's Sky deserved to be looked back because it was just a game that wasn't as good as people hoped on release. Not something to scam and take advantage of them by emptying their pockets.

@PresentDark

2 жыл бұрын

@@SIPEROTH No it was a total scam. They were lying even just before game release that it have multiplayer and ton of other stuff. Is game good now? Maybe. It does not change the fact that we were lied to. It's not that people were expecting anything special from this game, they only wanted it to have all the things they were told that were supposed to be in it. How can you be now like "They are good guys, they care" after all of their lies?

Even if they do walk it back; I still would like to see new laws against this kind of predatory monetization move forward. This really needs to end.

@jbreitz87

2 жыл бұрын

There will never be. You had to choose to hand them your money. If you were to try and legislate against this you'd also hit Casinos, and that is not going to happen.

@venom1117

2 жыл бұрын

@@jbreitz87 there is a case for it to be made. Just because they are similar doesn't mean the laws would target both of them. Hence why gambling is illegal if you are under a certain age but gambling on these games doesn't have a age limit. I agree it probably won't happen. Not because it may loosely tied to casinos, but rather because no influential people/lawmakers care enough about it.

@unixtreme

2 жыл бұрын

Spain just announced they will regulate lootboxes. It's a start.

@tecsmith_info

2 жыл бұрын

why do we all need our governments intervention on every aspect of our existence? Stand up for yourself, you hold the money, quit giving it away to people who don't care about your enjoyment.

@r0xjo0

2 жыл бұрын

We need less laws. Free market can take care of itself. Screw the government and their filthy overreaching bs.

It blows me away that people even tried this game. The company has already shown it doesn't care about it's customer base and will go to any lengths to squeeze them of cash. Then it makes a Diablo-style looting game where it directly sells loot chance. If they made a pros and cons list of why they shouldn't make the game a horrible experience for free players there would be literally NOTHING in the pros column. Don't ever play a looting game where the company directly profits from selling you items or drop chance. It will be shit.

Sadly, at this point it makes no difference. Those streamers and youtubers spent so much money on this trash already that I am certain Diablo Immortal already made back its budget tenfold and then some. This mass exodus is too little, too late. Anyone who spent thousands of dollars on this is part of the problem.

@karmabad6287

2 жыл бұрын

Even people playing for free are part of the problem. This game needs to be shunned by all.

@Croach193

2 жыл бұрын

@Elijah The technicalities don’t really matter. Nobody’s gonna care if this game doesn’t do as well as others. If the game didn’t totally bomb, then it’s as good as a loss for everyone except for Blizzard because they got money from a bunch of suckers.

@michaelh878

2 жыл бұрын

A dozen or so streamers spending a few thousand on average made back the games budget? Maths clearly isn't your strongsuit.

@hydrocannons7573

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelh878 And not being a dick is clearly not yours. Also, those streamers and youtubers were just the biggest whales, when it comes to revenue, I'm sure they were just the tip of the iceberg. Plenty of people spent money on Diablo Immortal. Phone games have meager budgets, I'm fairly sure this "game" already proved to be fairly profitable. And besides, any single cent spent on this travesty is a goddamn waste.

Protesting the game after already dropping thousands of dollars doesn’t mean shit. Blizzard is laughing their asses all the way to the bank. And these same people will do this on the next Blizzard drop too. Until people flat out stop giving them money right out the gate, nothing will change.

@davidlazerz8564

2 жыл бұрын

They made about 25 million so far, but for a game 5+ years in development and was supposed to be a cash cow for years to come that is abject failure. I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt cover development and marketing expenses with that amount. It is absolutely a huge L considering diablo 3 made over 200 million in its first 24 hours.

@nwerd7584

2 жыл бұрын

FR, all the streamers are bitching now that they saw the tide turn and stay turned, Audiences wont let them justify their bs. Asmongold and all these dude sgave them money, the fact they decided to stop playing after is even worse imo. literal waste of cash and they introduced their own viewers to spend as well despite how many cries of this is a deterrent when it isnt. In the end Blizzard wins, Streamer wins. Viewer and end consumer loses, its always that way

@barserk6645

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlazerz8564 i heard ther made already 100 million and considering the game uses assets Diablo 3 development cost peanuts.

@Setixir

2 жыл бұрын

Even then if this game only makes like 50m it's basically a flop. Even 100m. Five year development cycle and they want this to be a billion a year cash cow. It's worth it if people drop it even now.

@Tronikum

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlazerz8564 This Game is a long term project it will make them the most Money ever i think the Mobilegamefanbase will play and pay no matter what. I predict if D4 is not P2W and only Cosmetics Immortal will make more Money then D3+D4 combined look at Candycrush

*”You can’t blame greedy corporations that ruin their games, you blame the losers that keep them in business.”* I know the guy used his Twitch stream to prove a point, but that was still $20,000 spent on micro transactions, he threw tons of money at the monster and got mad when the monster didn’t go away? 🤦🏽‍♂️

@anonymoose2474

2 жыл бұрын

@Coke Weasel he made way more than 20k from his fans for it, and he also convinced tons of people not to play.

@qunt100

2 жыл бұрын

Yah i think alot of people do not understand capitalism. Everyone needs to stop playing and paying if we expect this company to not get any money. No money means that they go out of business. Even 5 percent of a playerbase for diablo immortal is enough to keep this system in business.

@alericc1889

2 жыл бұрын

100000000 X THIS, if people want better games they have to STOP PAYING FOR SHITTY GAMES........

@jiffah

2 жыл бұрын

That particular streamer is an incredibly stupid person. He always has the worst take. The. Worst.

@brawlinharry6461

2 жыл бұрын

@@anonymoose2474 i think youre right here. how is ONE youtuber with thousands of watchers telling them not to play it responsible for the survival of the game? he actively prevented people playing the game, the 20k is peanuts in relation to the money they didnt earn because his watchers didnt start playing...

Lmao I got a Diablo Immortal ad after the video. They really know their audience!

2:43 is some appropriate imagery.

You know you've fumbled the bag when people who _make SERIOUS money_ from *playing* are abandoning it. 🤣 Even sites that make guides for games said "hell no".

@nykthosnyx

2 жыл бұрын

@𝘗𝘪𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘺 YongYea.... .....

@shadowedknight66

2 жыл бұрын

Probably because to keep their content interesting they have to do multiple characters and it is cutting into their profit margins.

@theatmaweapon

2 жыл бұрын

They only made serious money playing it in the first couple weeks when it was new. It was worth it for big streamers and youtubers to spend tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars when it was bringing in hundreds of thousands or millions of views, since that would offset the cost. Now that no one cares about the game any more, the return of investment in spending money has significantly declined to where its just not worth it.

@terranu1

2 жыл бұрын

Well what can they do... Platinum mastercard build, gold mastercard build, "you guy have no phones" guide....

@JJV7243

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, blizzard is the one who won that battle. IF you quite after you spent $20k into something... bliz won.

Moral of the story: stop playing these types of games, period!

@jamesduncan6729

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. 100%

@powerhouse884

2 жыл бұрын

You spelled “Paying” wrong lol

@BrokeGuysEntertainmentTV

2 жыл бұрын

nah can't make content that way lol

@jediflip2515

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrokeGuysEntertainmentTV plenty of other types of games to play besides mobile. They're all better too

@Hauntaku

2 жыл бұрын

@@jediflip2515 I'd recommend playing "A Hat in Time"! It's a completely different game than Diablo but you need to diversify your collection or you'll get bored

We’ve known this for a while now, thanks to Chanel’s like yours. With that being said if you’re dumb enough to spend $16 thousand on it and then say enough is enough, you deserve the game

It took them this long to walk away from a game THIS evil?

The one main thing I disagree with is the asinine claim that Diablo Immortal would be a good Diablo experience without all of the predatory microtransactions. It's a bad limited game. And just Necromancer alone has been ruined.

@agalianar

2 жыл бұрын

yup

@sytherwusky

2 жыл бұрын

the current state of immortal May will be the most honest game ever made it so blatantly and brazenly lays out the vision for the future for AAA games

@ForeverDegenerate

2 жыл бұрын

@Zack Smith Microsoft doesn't own Acti-Blizz yet.

@CoolManCoolMan123

2 жыл бұрын

@@ForeverDegenerate he's just some hater.

@goodkrypollo1706

2 жыл бұрын

This is what I've been saying and see no one else saying until now. How can anyone possibly be okay with the necromancer in diablo immortal. Wow I can summon 4 skeletons yippie. In d2 you could summon like over 30 skeletons, plus other summons. Such trash.

It's a shame people felt they had to pay such huge amounts of money and cover this for so long before finally quitting. Shows how powerful addiction is.

Thank you for the extended coverage. Deleted diablo immortal from pc and mobile weeks ago 👍

Funnily enough the closing ad on this video for me is Diablo Immortal

This is why lootboxes will always be considered gambling. You are literally spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars and in some cases maybe even half a million all for what, a in game digital item that while powerful won't be as useful later on in the game so you have to spend even more money in order to get another rare powerful item. It's honestly rather sad and disgusting that a Blizzard who at one point in time stood as this great gaming company is now complete and total crap not caring about their fans, players or even their employees. They took one sip from the cup of popularity and let it go to their heads and act as if their this amazing company when their just a shell of their former selves. This isn't a game meant for Diablo fans, this is a game that caters to gambling addicts that have an interest in Diablo. I remember my coworker showing me this and told them how that isn't a Diablo game and how far it's fallen from where it once stood.

@UltimaKeyMaster

2 жыл бұрын

And the gall of Blizzard trying to avoid Belgium and the Netherlands' lootbox laws by saying "no no no you're earning the gems!" When the rifts are not only basically impossible to fail, your crests are fully refunded if you DO fail. There is no penalty, nothing lost, it's a 5 minute gap between spending money and getting the lootbox. And then amazingly, both of those countries said "You're not fooling us, it's still banned, buzz off."

@jlouise832

2 жыл бұрын

Well, loot boxes on heroes of the Storm. And overwatch is all purely aesthetic and cosmetic. So it's not really all loot boxes, but you're right

@UltimaKeyMaster

2 жыл бұрын

@@jlouise832 All loot boxes you can pay real money to get are gambling. I dunno if hots let you do that, but if you could, then yes it was.

@Rastendhos

2 жыл бұрын

@@jlouise832 You were able to farm HotS and OW lootboxes, I never spent a dime on those. This was cool.

@YokomichiSilver

2 жыл бұрын

@@jlouise832 One shouldn't have to pay for cosmetic items that do nothing except for making your character look good. Earn them though events or by unlocking ranks or literally any other method. Before you know it you'd have spent thousands of dollars. Take Fortnite for example sure there's no lootboxes but it has cosmetic skins and in total it's estimated to be around $10,000 or maybe even more if one were to have collected every single skin. Now apply that with a lootbox mechanic where you don't have any control and can even get duplicate skins. The amount would skyrocket doubling if not tripling all for what, a funny looking hat? It doesn't matter if it's just cosmetic or not it's still gambling either way and before you know it there goes $1,000 over a span of a few weeks or a month or two and you may not even realize how much you spent. keep playing for the next several years and get told "the game is shutting down" due to low player performance and there goes all of the money you spent on this game as you now hold nothing after having spent say $50,000. Also same thing can happen if your account gets banned becoming a "we have your money so why should we care" moment.

Looking forward to going into the Diablo Immortal category on twitch and seeing people streaming Morbius on loop.

@shawntraub7249

2 жыл бұрын

20 morbillion dollars is how much it would take to max out your character on Diablo Immoral.

@crystalwings4520

2 жыл бұрын

I'd rather to watch Morbius than playing this rigged casino game.

@-Merkuleez

2 жыл бұрын

What’s orbius

“Do you guys not have wallets?!” That’s the sentiment I get from Blizz.

Past a certain point, the people at Blizzard decided that the company's previously sky-high brand reputation just didn't matter anymore to them; they're just there to squeeze every last available cent out of it while they run it into the ground. So it *ends* with Diablo: Immoral, but honestly I can't get past the idea that it started with Sparkle Ponies and $40 virtual Blizzcon tickets. That's when the primary focus shifted from a laser-like intensity on what's in the game, to what can the game be used for as far as earning more money happened. And they did earn a lot of money, I guess. =/ But the trade-off to losing focus on the games themselves was always going to be going down this road to irrelevancy. The problem isn't even that Diablo: Immoral is suddenly, ludicrously bad. It's that everyone knew it was going to be bad, no-one is at all surprised, there was literally no other expected outcome after 'Don't you guys have phones?' No-one really had any major doubts that this is where we'd end up. What's sad about this is that it's basically the corporate life-cycle now. Earnest, responsible people found a company in the belief that they can do something better than everyone else, they succeed, and that success eventually attracts the exact wrong kind of assholes, who eventually take the thing over and run it into the ground in pursuit of personal profit. Almost literally at the point that you start to have faith and trust in any particular brand, you know that the wheels are in motion, and your faith and trust will be rewarded by money-grubbing assholes ruining everything in a quick cash grab. Occasionally you can fight it, especially with big companies that make incredibly important products. But entertainment companies? That's the golden mix of adoring, naive fans and ludicrous assholes, right there. There's no long term hope for any entertainment brand. Learn to find new stuff, kids. The old stuff will always let you down.

I think this depends entirely on the financial impact. If they managed to pick up enough new players from the mobile market and the new players are tolerant to their monetization they will keep with it. New people will make guides and the existing fanbase can eat cake. Quitting after giving blizzard 1000s of dollars is not making a strong statement of protest. It is paying blizzard 1000s of dollars.

@biciklipumpa123

2 жыл бұрын

Its funny how these so called streamers & KZreadrs are "mass protesting" after uploading videos about how they tested Diablo Immortal's p2w system by spending thousands of dollars ingame.. mindblowing..

@useraccount333

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Now Blizzard knows exactly where the line is. Next year, they'll make a game that's *slightly* less blatantly P2W, claim they learned their lesson, and the cycle will continue.

@efremkirk9735

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. By paying out that much money they have shown how bad it is and hopefully stopped many many others from wasting money. Especially with their massive viewership. Essentially taking the financial hit so others won't.

@hughlion1817

2 жыл бұрын

The fact that a comment like this gets so little attention tells me how normalized the predatory monetization has become. The last decade or so, the encroachment on value has been so blatant that the average person will accept blizzard dialing it back ever so slightly. This is beyond abusive. But this is also the absolute norm. This is never going to end. Ever. It's going to get much much worse

@rd-lw4td

2 жыл бұрын

@@useraccount333 yeah, D4. Has a shop and everything. It's time to say goodbye to Blizz.

I honestly blows my mind anyone would spend more than 20 dollars into this game. Its clearly made to take advantage of kids and addicts.

@Mike_Dubayou

2 жыл бұрын

Those two sentences are somewhat contradictory.

@dopesickdog

2 жыл бұрын

and they succeeded. innocent or mentally ill people are just easier to take advantage of. heinous.

@Blank-41

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mike_Dubayou Kids and addicts arent the only ones who dropped money on it but its designed to take advantage of that demographic.

@ThePipeMonk

2 жыл бұрын

Yup I've seen bundles go from 0.99 dollars to 49.99 and more

Thank you for a good video. The situation behind Diablo Immortal (or should it be called Diablo Immoral) is nothing else but heartbreaking. At least for us who has been fans of the franchise since the launch of Diablo back in 1996. High School years in my case. Me and friends put countless hours into playing that game over LAN at the local computer club, where weekends were spent from 5pm Friday to 7pm Sunday. The same can be said about Diablo 2, only then you were able to play somewhat over the internet. Diablo 3 has been played extensively together with the Mrs. who fell in love with the game after giving it a try. It would not be an understatement saying that the Diablo franchise has been a fairly big part of my life for over 25 years. What's even more heart breaking is that the pay to win factor in Diablo Immortal is way worse than Raid - Shadow Legends. That's saying something. I mean, in that game you can at least allow the extremely slow grind to happen while you're not actually playing the game. In my experience, with Diablo Immortal, you HAVE to play the game actively to have some form of progression, despite that progression being more or less non existent if you don't pay money for it. Sad that they soiled what could have been a fairly good experience, if nothing else for the story line. But after reaching level 50, and having to level up to 52 to be able to progress the story further, you're starting to loose interest in that. Because in what you do to level up, you're constantly fed "here's your reward, but if you pay money, we'll give you this as well!". Blizzard has always been a favorite developer of mine. Sad to see that one of the greatest has been corrupted into one of the worst.

@omgitsfrosty4888

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to America. Corporate greed is running this country in to the ground, not only in the gaming industry.

@stefankaptens4952

2 жыл бұрын

@@omgitsfrosty4888 America? This issue is a bit bigger than just corporations seeking to maximize profit.

@stefankaptens4952

2 жыл бұрын

@@omgitsfrosty4888 America? This issue is a lot bigger than corporations trying to maximize profit in America. The gaming industry is a global market, and especially Asia is where you find the largest market for mobile gaming. Had this game been developed for mainly the US and Europe it would not have been made in the same way.

As a Diablo fan who grew up on diablo 1, it hurts so bad that it was the franchise of Diablo that had to take the hit :( things like this can rarely be repaired

The best way to hurt Blizzard is to hit their wallet, ignore any future releases.

@scifisyko

2 жыл бұрын

Yep - pains me to have decided I’m never going to touch Diablo 4, but I’m done with them forever unless there are some truly massive changes.

@R1ckj333

2 жыл бұрын

Same here@@scifisyko

Blizzard 2018- “Don’t you guys have phones” Red shirt guy- “Is this an out of April fools joke” Blizzard now- “Don’t you guys have personal bank loan” Everyone else- “Don’t you guys have a fan base”

No joke - a Diablo Immortal ad popped up on me while watching this.

The most ironic thing is before I could watch your vid I had Diablo Immortal Ad and I was like ,,nice try Blizzard with convincing me to come back and keep torturing myself with always poping up InApp"

Although I would never wish for the fall of a major developer, because lets face it, we all want big budget games, just done well. That being said, the longer we allow these companies to determine OUR gaming future, the further we are going to get from what we really want within the community. Some hard lessons are going to be learned over the next couple years. Thanks for covering this Yong!

@zashimi1345

2 жыл бұрын

There is an argument to made they didn't determine the future. The people who buy their microtransactions not just in mobile games but on other platforms are clearly large enough that it doesn't matter if there is a vocal community and youtubers against the practices.

@totallyretrotech

2 жыл бұрын

@@zashimi1345 I agree with you there, but you could also ask where did the idea of microstransactions come from? I doubt we as a community offered it as a new path. You are correct though. We as a community have ownership in using these shady practices which further perpetuates it. Diablo is a great example of a game that is NOT being utilized even with its massive audience. Granted, having the entire country of China does eliminate a lot of player base.

@Xpancakes11X

2 жыл бұрын

For the most part I don't want big budget games. Time and time again I've been burned by big budgeted companies pre-release saying one thing and post release giving us another worse/greedier version. I'm very happy with my indies and older titles from before games became so sickening with monetization.

@rogue_of_the_winds1286

2 жыл бұрын

I hope Blizzard dies. Then, someone who cares about Diablo might buy the IP, and make something worthwhile.

@raptros

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh i don't care about the budget, i just want good games and those can happen regardless of the budget... I iust don't want any more Diablo Immortals and GT7s and crap like that.

Streamers: stop playing after spent tens of thousand of dollars. Blizzard: "Well we had a good run. Thanks for the money and fuck off. Oh see you soon when arclight launches."

@wdf70

2 жыл бұрын

This. They are already laughing to the bank. Why are people now seeing how scummy the game is?

@gamerhero9559

2 жыл бұрын

@@wdf70 I guess it's not as obvious to other people who is not familiar with Activision Blizzard.

@eliothsumida612

2 жыл бұрын

The streamers acting like they’re not part of the problem

@reignman4

2 жыл бұрын

*sniff* look how they massacred my boy…

@emanmodnar2

2 жыл бұрын

Being banned from battlenet was seriously the best thing that ever happened to me lmao

The state of and levels of greed within gaming has ruined a pastime I used to love. So insidious and a massive shame.

I'm old, but I still remember the god old times of the original Diablo II PC game in my good old pentium dual core. How satisfying was maxed out all in the game from your character, its gear, special abilities or obtain rare and powerful gear with only invert enough time in the game from FREE. Sadly, that time was long gone.

Always remember: we had a man call this out from the beginning. "Is this a late April fool joke?"

@gManGabe

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand. At the time, I didn't have a phone...

@Tommy_Wimmer

2 жыл бұрын

His name is Ian Bates, and he said that Diablo Immoral was a good game ruined by monetization.

the fact that anyone gave blizzard a single cent of their money still blows my mind. It was made very clear the predatory practices that were put into place for this game from the start. Yet Blizzard probably still made a fortune off this game. They won't learn a lesson from this. They just now realize they can cater towards whales and not the average gamer.

@hafwan5851

2 жыл бұрын

Most whales have monthly income of upwards of 10K usd. Its unfortunate, but for whales this is chump change. They dont mind as much as we do when spending thousands of dollars

@firefly44220

2 жыл бұрын

Fuck em. I don’t play this trash anyway

@Ebani

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you think all the whales are complaining? They know the game is like that but they're not willing to not pay and so keep making this videos that only gaslights the audience.

@wokeuptomorrow4533

2 жыл бұрын

It's hard to understand, but the vast majority of gamers do not watch these videos, do not read gamer news, are completely oblivious to the drama half the time. I always try to get ppl to realize this when they use words like EVERYONE knows this or that, or NOBODY wants this or that. The truth is, if you are here watching this type of content, you are the minority. Crazy but true.

@solblackguy

2 жыл бұрын

Believe it or not, there's a whole community of -people- idiots that defend Activision-Blizzard with all the shit that's happened and worship Bobby Kottick.

The toilet ad on a diablo immortal article is on point.

2:30 How fitting there's an ad for a toilet on a Diablo Immortal page.

As long as gamers remain weak-will individuals who let brand, marketing, and FOMO control their lives, companies will keep doing this.

@jasondolph2785

2 жыл бұрын

Most don't, but the few who do generate so much profit the exploitation is the huge cash cow

I am proud to say I never downloaded Diablo immortal and am not part of the problem.

@inspektor66

2 жыл бұрын

same here

2 жыл бұрын

I was tempted. Wanted to see when it becomes pay to win. So I downloaded the installer on PC. Started it... then I realized it'll be just waste of time so I quit, deleted the installer and end of story.

@silent0089

2 жыл бұрын

those who were and keep spending money they really need to wear "I'm born wrong" or "I'm the part of the Problem" Shirts

Disclaimer : I am a Genshin Impact Whale, a collector of really expensive video game characters. My account currently has access to all 50 characters available in that game as well as several of the most powerful 5 star weapons. I have dropped approximately 4k dollars on Genshin Impact since release (Which amounts to 2k a year spent for a single video game). Worry not, I am a grown adult, with stable income. I can afford what most would perceive as an unreasonable expense. I am not addicted to loot boxes. I just like collecting characters, and the pity system ensures there is a cap to my expenses. Some people drop 4k yearly to have a little 2 week vacation in the southern tropics, I chose to build a complete Genshin Impact account. To each their own. Having said all that, I would never touch Diablo Immortal, not even with a 10-foot pole. That game reeks of predatory business practices even I would not submit myself to. 550 000$ to max out a single character? That is utterly insane. To put it in perspective, I could MAX OUT 550 Genshin characters with that much money. Not just obtain the characters, max them out. Or buy 5500 feature complete video games on Steam, which is obviously the smartest play and the play I hope everyone here will go for. Anyway, you know you've hit rock bottom when even the Genshin Whales won't touch you. Blizzard has fallen so low. I was alive when they made good games. So sad.

I'm baffled, insulted, and honestly embarrassed that anyone looked at that monetization scheme and put a single dollar in to it. One dollar was too many. Twenty thousand is probably enough for some kind of serious psychological diagnosis.

They already earned what they needed to honestly from all the people who foolishly spent on it... now they will turn to Diablo 4 to do worse...

@LordOfGilneas

2 жыл бұрын

pretty much. There's only one thing *EVERYONE* should do. Don't buy Diablo 4. It's not going to end well. Just Don't bother with it.

@teddybearclarence

2 жыл бұрын

@@LordOfGilneas lol definitely not gonna buy it at launch since companies have the bright idea of introducing predatory practices awhile after launch to avoid the critics & initial hype... but with activision at the helm, I ain't holding my breath on D4...

@hostileenvironment6107

2 жыл бұрын

@@LordOfGilneas Ehh I'll watch angry joes review before deciding too buy.

@alfonshasel1995

2 жыл бұрын

Nah never. The 24m arent nearly enough and i bet its dropping sharply

@kodeytheneko

2 жыл бұрын

Just play path of exile! :)

It's irrelevant if big streamers and youtubers have abandoned the game, most of them have spent thousands of dollars on the game already like complete idiots. Blizzard have won big this time, even if you think you're being clever. It's pathetic and laughable.

@anti-youTV

2 жыл бұрын

This. It’s a lose lose scenario.

@rd-lw4td

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm, I was going to F2P DI, but then streamers exposed the game for what it is. I quit and deleted it off my phone and pc. Who knows I might bought a battle pass not knowing how bad it gets.

@Hauntaku

2 жыл бұрын

@@rd-lw4td It's best to avoid all games with MTX because if you spent once, you'll feel inclined to spend again and again and again...

@rd-lw4td

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hauntaku oh, I don't have that problem or desire. I played MTG Arena and only spent money on the beginner thing and didn't spend again. I do think it's better to not play games designed around p2w though.

@scifisyko

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, if they manage to kill its sustainability, it may be a net win for society.

Way to go, Maxroll! Great statement and thank you for caring about us gamers :)

When a game, app, service or product is free, YOU are the product.

I don't really understand the "this coulda been a great game" sentiment. It's like a slightly worse Diablo 3. A game that wasn't so great 12 years ago. Seems like people (understandably) just want to pretend that this comic-book-villain-tier monetization also robbed us of a great game, to make it slightly more infinitely villainous.

@KirbyFrontier

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, people must be so desperate to have something "new" that they'll even play something that's old. When I played Diablo Immortal, I couldn't get over the feeling that it was basically just "Diablo 3 but less". Like, exact same characters, same skills, same gameplay, but... just less of it all. *shrug*

@markomejac8172

2 жыл бұрын

Fact!

@Gierschlundling

2 жыл бұрын

@@KirbyFrontier Gameplay is so different though. Mmorpg vs arpg. D3 had fast paced combat, where you can actually become OP for certain difficultys. D:I always feels the same. No hard but always slow.

@KirbyFrontier

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gierschlundling Yea, I guess that's partially what I meant with the "less" as it applies to the gameplay. It felt like I was playing D3's gameplay except slower and without any of the bursts or sense of power.

@JustYourRegularIdiot

2 жыл бұрын

I could see that. For me, it was because Diablo immortal was on a phone made it seem like the game could of been great for a phone game if it wasn’t for the monetization which took things too far. Which is just sad. Taking on a dungeon during a lunch break at work is fun. If it had the regular Diablo gameplay loop of actually getting actual good loot every once in a while by playing through a dungeon, I would still be playing it. But of course they had to make the experience as much of a grind as possible

How could you consider shelling out 25k on a trash game a good finacial decision in the first place? What the FUCK is wrong with these people? Didn't we already come to the conclution that micro-transactions are akin to gambling or am I experiencing the Mandela Effect?

I have to give Diablo Immortal some credit. It lasted longer than I thought it would.

The ad before your video was for Diablo immortal.

As an older gamer who’s used to buying a game and getting the complete game I find this disgusting! I understand its free to play but the prices are WAAAAAAAY to much I was thinking more like 50p for things or a pound max! It’s up to gamers not play these games there’s games that don’t treat us like mugs play those. We all need to realise how much power we have! We could put the fear of god into these companies IF we all come together!!! These companies are literally ruining lives! gamblers will f themselves up and others to get the money! This IS BLATANTLY gambling

@aconceitedbeast731

2 жыл бұрын

Best comment on here BY FAR!! Gamers need to wake the f up before it's too late!

@vallejomach6721

2 жыл бұрын

'We all need to realise how much power we have!' - Unfortunately, you don't have any power at all...that's the problem. Diablo Immortal might actually be so bad it damages itself, but it has already made a lot of money. However, normally in these sorts of games one whale cancels out thousands of disgruntled players...and there's a lot of players that spend enough to make up for thousands and thousands of players that are dissatisfied. Nothing will change unless there's legislation against it...no amount of outrage or player boycotts will ever make the slightest bit of difference. Only last week I saw a guy that had spent $100k on the game...that's the equivalent of 1600+ full price $60 games on his own. Here's the thing about mobile games...the overwhelming vast majority of players that play these games are the casual gamers...they do NOT consume content about the games they play, nor do they take any notice of gaming news, nor do they take any notice of issues surrounding them. The whole gamut of monetisation strategies we see today have been largely normalised and huge chunks of mobile game player-bases have never known anything different. Many simply do not see them as a problem. Believe it or not there are plenty of people that defend them, even this pile of cr4p...and that's where the problem lies. It needs to be legislated against and banned...nothing else will have any effect.

@rwxstudio7173

2 жыл бұрын

I still remember the days of shareware. You get the first one or two levels to play for free then, if you liked what you played enough, you could pay the $20-$30 to unlock the rest of the game. Then again, games were still on floppy disk back then.

@Hauntaku

2 жыл бұрын

@@vallejomach6721 Normies think that gamers don't have power, so the normies never fight back and just assimilate which hurts gamers and the gaming industry. NEVER GIVE UP!

@Mattznick

2 жыл бұрын

@@vallejomach6721 exactly

*Can't stop laughing at Activision/Blizzard playing the victim due to them implementing such predatory hyper monetization which has bit them on the butt via karma so many times, that their actually losing countless millions, countless streamers and players abandoning and alienating the game!!* *Seems yet again Activision/Blizzard are going to be the arbiters of their owns games downfall, but will try to blame others instead of their own scummy choices!!* *Regardless of how much they are going so much out their way to double and triple down on saying this won't be implemented in Diablo 4, you know it will!!* *Blizzard deserve to just go under and disappear into obscurity!!*

@proyashnarayanchoudhury2567

2 жыл бұрын

Basically, like diablo immortal, diablo 4 has to become one of the games of all times, which would sell 100 million diablol copies(if u know what I am referring to, 😉)

@Daralyndk

2 жыл бұрын

Microtransactions... More like Macrotransactions

@tylermcnally8232

2 жыл бұрын

Your text is really dark....

@TheShelled

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Saw some diablo Channel, forget the name. But he was talking about the tweets blizz folks have made about how, diablo 4 would have an in-game shop, and that it would be based around customization… via cosmetics… and how the wording seemed like a loophole for adding stuff like you see in diablo immortal. He seemed very sure this was the road they Will go down, and was very sad and worried about What diablo 4 would turn into.

@Daralyndk

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheShelled I completely agree with that And I am not saying it was right to give blizz those money in stream ....but you know what happened to zhose who spoke against it at the start. they've been told they are being unreasonable or they've been outright labeled as haters. And wheter you like it or not, streaming is business today People who watch you play games will not sit through four hour tiriade about predatory monetization. We do it here bevase we watch those you-tubers to get news

It really feels like companies need to take a step back and turn to times where games were made in full products, not half-assed "services" that are lame excuses for money grabs

if I made a game and some dude spent 25K NZD on it before quitting, I'd consider that a MASSIVE WIN

Glad to see ppl finally taking a stand when filth like this is presented. These types of games need to be shunned into oblivion.

@lazarious5424

2 жыл бұрын

Hypocritical crap that already paid for the game 10x over

@lazarious5424

2 жыл бұрын

@@chocomilo1628 yep fools giving praise after they gave blizzard the money 10x over

@roymcgrath9236

2 жыл бұрын

Immortal has made its dev costs back AND yielded massive profits already. D4 is gonna be the same dumpster fire

@Joe90h

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I feel like the whole "spend thousands of dollars to make a statement and then quitting" was a publicity stunt for his own clout rather than to call out the game. I mean, hopefully it and the coverage afterwards will put off hundreds upon hundreds of potential payers... I mean players, will affect the bottom line, but he already gave Blizzard a lot of his money for an unplayably balanced mobile game.

Who cares? Blizzard made millions in a couple of weeks, they already got the investment back by "proving" it's p2w wasting thousands of dollars to get your first 5 stars. The worst part is that I'm sure that the psychologists in the Diablo team already predict these "testers" wasting thousands of dollars as a quick buck on release. All those guys got played like a damn fiddle

@xIKeepaIx

2 жыл бұрын

Well depends how you look at it. They may made their money back, but it will not turn into a cash cow like Genshin. So it's still a loss for Blizzard.

The irony of getting a Diablo Immortal ad at the start of this video

The fact that it hasn't released in CHina which was Blizz main plan makes me laugh harder.

I’m a little disappointed that the streamers gave as much money as they did. There were some big digits being fed to Blizzard that they never should have got. But hey, if they (the streamers) make enough money to recover losses then it was a good way to expose the game.

@emanmodnar2

2 жыл бұрын

I really feel like a smart streamer should have a cutoff point for the 'scam numbers'. Seeing streamers going over 10k marks on gacha pulls when everyone KNOWS they are bad is kinda disgusting. 5K should be a cutoff point and even that feels like too much.

@bobdravs6902

2 жыл бұрын

The amount of money streamers dropped on Diablo 3 to prove a point is laughably small compared to how much the game has made, and won't be recurring. I strongly believe the spotlight they shone upon the game to established Diablo fans (who is the existing player base who enjoys this kind of game) did far more damage than support to their bottom line.

@Daralyndk

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly this was "choose how to loose" scenario Either keep quiet or SHOW ppl the truth while feeding the beast in the process

@GetterRay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Daralyndk You don't have to actually show anyone. Basic maths did it better than these streamers. Bellular's figure (which they never claimed as accurate yet still got picked up by other outlets) exposed the game without them spending a dime. The gem simulator did the same. Stop excusing bad moral behaviour this way. These streamers primarily stream to children on twitch, you don't need to show them gambling in order to tell them not to gamble.

@Daralyndk

2 жыл бұрын

@@GetterRay ech I don't play that game, never tried it and I don't use Twitch so most if my info is from second hand or you-tube I knew from the moment they used Diablo and Mobile in same sentence, that it will be disaster

Streamers taking follower money and throwing into DI to "prove a point"and then more viewership by deleting, and trying to take an ethical high ground, is pretty ironic to me

@tedjomuljono3052

2 жыл бұрын

same thing with previous games, mario kart tour, pokemon unite, Genshin, they are not "heroes" they just doing it for the clicks and views

Diablo immortal was made this way, so the next game can have a quarter or tenth the monetization, and people will cheer. It will work, and i no longer feel like trying to stop it.

@-Merkuleez

2 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

@zekedelsken9963

2 жыл бұрын

@@-Merkuleez based reply

So after watching this whole video an ad for Diablo Immortal popped up. Notnsure if you have control of who advertises on your KZread but the irony was not lost on me.

These companies and greed is truly destroying classics

@kevingame3198

2 жыл бұрын

And yet Apple succeeded in reaching $3 trillion

@waterheart95

2 жыл бұрын

Then play the classics, ignore the new. Complaining and whining about won't solve anything, be the change and let the fools part with their money.

@kevingame3198

2 жыл бұрын

@@waterheart95 we have to go with the nuclear option is protesting in unionization as the players that we are not slaves nor cattle to be milked we are human beings that we just wanna have fun instead of being used as cattle stop buying games with Microtransactions Or single player games having online connectivity With pushback and backlash Just like how every game company announces that game is going to have NFTs implemented only for the backlash to be so hard that they decided to remove NFTs altogether

@waterheart95

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevingame3198 That only works if you hit their bottom line. Gaming is a business like everything else to major companies. They can ignore bad press and reviews, since the casual audience doesn't actually look at things extensively.

@kevingame3198

2 жыл бұрын

@@waterheart95 That’s because investors are the mastermind behind it

Players after spending money: Time to quit. Blizzard swimming in those players' money: Stop, Don't, Come back. They keep getting away with these because people are dumb enough to actually spend money for these microtransactions.

If they release Diablo Immortal as a pay to play game with a 9.99 price tag and cosmetic micro transactions it would have been such an easy win for blizzard.

There is a great deal of irony in KZread placing a Diablo immortal add before each of your videos covering immortal.

I've never heard of Maxroll, those guys seem really really down to earth and caring and cool, to do what their gonna do after all they did to prepare for the game and the money and time they spent to just walk away and shut it down bc of how bad Diablo Immoral is must be so hard to do, it's very extremely hard almost feeling impossible to just....DO THE RIGHT THING.

@dewetjoubert8921

2 жыл бұрын

maxroll is awesome they not only have builds but also all the drop chances and min/max roll stats that an item can roll and where the best places are to farm them

@willithewit4012

2 жыл бұрын

Maxroll is a group which contains some of the world's best Diablo(3) players, who all love Diablo -- or at least used to love it... They take regular rank 1's in all classes every season, and they are all passionate about the game. I've been following them for quite a while. Taking down their Diablo Immortal guides is actually really an "earthquake", as YongYea expressed. Check out the video from Raxxanterax (board member of Maxroll) where he explains their motivation and reasoning in full. Highly interesting.

@xantishayde-walker4593

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the only thing is, as Asmongold pointed out while reading the *entire* post on their site, that they knew it was going to be monetized from the start. They put 2 years in, naively thinking perhaps it wouldn't be as bad as it was. So, I'm not saying they are terrible people for proceeding. I'm also not saying they're saints for stopping with the guides. I mean, like Asmon said, they aren't losing that much by stopping making their guides. The money, time and effort put in to that can be better spent on other, more lucrative avenues, like guides for other games. They're also gaining good will by doing this. It paints them in a better light. Am I saying they are just scummy opportunists? No. What I am saying is, just know all the facts before you make your judgement. Also, they're smart. They know this will be a good move for them, PR-wise and monetarily as well. The thing that separates them from the Activision/Blizzard higher-ups is, they're not manipulating people with dirty psychological tricks to scam them out of their homes, jobs and lives like Activision/Blizzard Execs. They are actually doing the right thing.

This is good. Don t even give them credit by acknowledging the game. Say outright its not worth it. Tell people to not even try.

@iToxicMochi

2 жыл бұрын

It's not even a GOOD game, it's a lite version of a game they released 10 years ago, which was shit. It's a brainless hack and slash ARPG that lacks the depth of it's predecessors, or any of it's competition.

@CptBooty

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I've been saying since release day. It really doesn't matter that the core game underneath is good when it has such predatory monetization.

@luigirock96

2 жыл бұрын

Say that to china

@stoneymahoney9106

2 жыл бұрын

That's not good enough. We've been doing that with games for years and the silence of the minority hasn't done made developers/publishers change course in the slightest.

@MarkDeSade100

2 жыл бұрын

@@iToxicMochi That's how all PTW games are, they're not made to be good. They're made to be just good enough to get people to try them out and get addicted, then the monetization tactics take over.

I was watching your video and halfway through the commercial that played was for Diablo immortal 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

Big props to MaxRoll! That was a huge decision that will inspire others to push back and boycott any game trying to do this.

Basically it’s come down to this for mobile games: any mobile game where there’s an upgrade tree for weapons, tech, science, base infrastructure, etc., mining and others, expect it to be a pay2win scheme. I’m talking about these “civilization”-like games where it involves some kind of base-building, empire-building, city-building, etc. mechanics. These kinds of games were good as single player games before on the PC, but for live service these days, just expect to blow thousands of $ specially if you get addicted to it and allow yourself to be dragged into that loop of blowing money because you want to show everyone who has the more powerful weapons, ships, base/country, etc. A whole lot different from games that are free but sell cosmetics and special effects. That, you have control over. if you end up blowing money because the cosmetic or special effect is a work of art and you only want to support that developer/s, that’s all on the player.

Shoutout to all the knuckle draggers that paid them anything despite knowing how bad it would be.

Imagine making a game so predatory that _everyone,_ even websites hosting game guides, *_hates_* your game?

@skaetur1

2 жыл бұрын

We don’t have to. This is real life. We live in the worst timeline.

@-Merkuleez

2 жыл бұрын

Do you guys not have hated games 🤪

I have to laugh at the unskippable immortal ad I got in the middle of this.

"I'm gonna spend thousands of dollars on the game to show that you shouldn't spend thousands of dollars on the game" is possibly the dumbest thing in my opinion. You willingly whaled, reinforcing the idea people will spend thousands in the game, just to tell people not to do what you just did...seems hypocritical and asinine to me. Shoulda just boycotted and explained why. If there was literally zero streamers, KZreadrs, or guides at the start it would've had a harder time getting attention and made significantly less money.

@maverickrx8

2 жыл бұрын

It was such an ez cash grab for everyone involved in that idiocy. Blizzard made money and content creators made their money back and more and got to drag a company that's dragging them harder. Hypocritical content creators whaling to look like heroes in the eyes of their idiot followers and to try and boost their own numbers. The worst part about all this cancer is that everybody involved first hand won and the rest of us lost. Even the people donating to these idiotic creators lost.

@vehnashur2771

2 жыл бұрын

Insert Xzibit meme. I agree with your point. I really just don't understand how people supported it in any form from the start. I guess people were hoping for some sort of hidden miracle within the game???

@Boris82

2 жыл бұрын

Just a waste of good money.

@altortugas5979

2 жыл бұрын

This comment needs more engagement.

@lexide9432

2 жыл бұрын

@@maverickrx8 Well they dont want their words being used against them so they dont openly talk about this... BUUTTT..... You can contact your bank and FORCE blizzard to refund all of the money you have spent in the last 14 days. So quin likely did this without saying anything that would prevent his refund. Its VERY likely most of these guys are actually getting FULL refunds. Your point still stands 100%. Just saying... most these guys got refunded and didnt actually spend anything.

The cynic in me says this "stand" only occurs now because the launch period exposure boost has died down and it's no longer good click/sub bait to do content on the game.

@markomejac8172

2 жыл бұрын

No need to be cynic because this is fact!

we need to stop feeding these degrading scams game makers are making, i really hope we take a stand to stop this horrible way of life for gaming

@Hauntaku

2 жыл бұрын

It's a good thing that for a game I'm making there'll be no MTX or even DLC. Just everything available at launch for the low low price of free. It's a passion project and a love letter to farming rpgs