so the people looked up to God for help, and God answered them, in his most commanding voice : "maybe you should try getting a job"

@The_Chillton

5 жыл бұрын

okay, where?

@The_Chillton

5 жыл бұрын

@JC Glen Benton maybe you should join majestic 12, in a body bag!

@The_Chillton

5 жыл бұрын

@JC Glen Benton okay? And?

@caav56

5 жыл бұрын

@JC Glen Benton ...Just another parasite.

@dramallama111

4 жыл бұрын

Can God at least look at my resume and serve as a reference when the employer calls?

I like how everyone else in the game says a sentence at a time whereas JC Denton talks in complete paragraphs.

@XxStonedKillerxX

7 жыл бұрын

more like JC Helios

@XanKriegor88

5 жыл бұрын

His eloquence is augmented.

@Alkair7

5 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ Denton

@nihil8607

4 жыл бұрын

@@Alkair7 another from sseth i see... You have good taste X)

@mysteriousDSF

4 жыл бұрын

My favorites from him are heh-heh and *lip smack*

What a shame.

@JAKX091

4 жыл бұрын

He was a good man

@scr8846

4 жыл бұрын

@@JAKX091 *smacks lip* What a rotten way to die

@TheStrayHALOMAN

4 жыл бұрын

Sign me up JC

@barelyawake868

4 жыл бұрын

*you were a good man*

@grungemaster0666

3 жыл бұрын

who will help the widow's son?

The saddest thing about DX is that you have to fight JC to hear his best line in this game. "You want to plunge the world into chaos? Come take it from me."

@Rashaed

5 жыл бұрын

I've always thought his best line was: "Bravery is not a function of firepower."

@strangelove7614

4 жыл бұрын

"I have no enemies, merely topographies of ignorance."

@redenginner

3 жыл бұрын

Strangelove *mouth smack* “What a rotten way to die.”

@ashe274

3 жыл бұрын

I got Paul once in that fight, but I never could kill JC... Despite its flaws, I did enjoy it. Not a worthy successor to the first game, but how could any game possibly be?

@GT_rising24

2 жыл бұрын

Dang That's Deep bruh

"You can have this soy food."

@philthephilosopher9235

4 жыл бұрын

"You have 10 seconds to have this soy food before I add you to the list of NSF casualties."

@antalgergo2699

4 жыл бұрын

How about a soda? You can have this candy bar. Or this GEP gun. The 10mm ammo. Maybe the pistol and the electric prod. This LAM. The EMP grenades. Tear gas? A "smart" lockpick's always handy. Nanotech tech tool? You can have this scope. I have some bad news.I got into a firefight with some MJ12 troops.I'm now dead. *deusex_maledeathscream.ogg*

@antalgergo2699

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheSupremeSussy Welcome to the Coalition,brain contamination.

@devintariel3769

4 жыл бұрын

@@antalgergo2699 Just tea thank you

@crazyrabbits

3 жыл бұрын

You don't look that hungry. Tell me where the future is going.

"Alex, I....I.... I thought you were a GEP gun."

@chowzan9477

2 жыл бұрын

"Unatico hurt my weenie"

@nepspartan-7597

Жыл бұрын

​@Chowzan "... There's been some activity at sea. I'm gonna go check it out."

It's kind of jarring to see JC Denton without his sunglasses. I realize that he's computer-generated now, and would have no need for them but I'm accustomed to seeing JC with his shades.

@RaiRaiRai999

9 жыл бұрын

I think that was an intentional change. In the first game, he has to play his cards close to his chest, keep his alliances to himself. Here, he's ready to be completely transparent, and for humanity to be transparent with him.

@DyaMetR

7 жыл бұрын

But... his vision is augmented.

@DrunkenCoward1

5 жыл бұрын

His vision is no longer augmented.

@mr.voidout4739

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it kinda puts me off. Even if he looks better-rendered, the Invisible War animation style looks like Max Steel or some such 90's CG cartoon. The shades gave him an iconic, if not ironic impression that at least blended with the theme.

@isteliosiv9927

5 жыл бұрын

It seems his vision is no longer AUGMENTED

So for all of those years JC has been synthesized with Helios, not once has he ever bothered to change his clothes other than his sunglasses?

@Burkhart4192

10 жыл бұрын

He's been in a coma since shortly after the merge.

@VadimVerenich

7 жыл бұрын

His clothes are augumented

@personwithdelta

6 жыл бұрын

all ive seen from gameplay screenshots is that he took them off

@johntrevy1

5 жыл бұрын

Um, he he is a walking universal constructor??

@TheSuperQuail

4 жыл бұрын

Cleaner nanites...

I wish I could talk like JC Denton. I'm not smart enough.

@blzahz7633

7 жыл бұрын

What a shame

@foxden908

7 жыл бұрын

Ian Crawford shure

@Nickelodeon81

5 жыл бұрын

You need augmented sunglasses first.

@adamhamilton8313

5 жыл бұрын

It’s a combination of a few things. Time, setting a higher standard for yourself, reading books, and experience. ‘Want’ it to happen and you’ll eventually get there.

@briank8697

5 жыл бұрын

Start by reading plato

JC's famous line "My vision is augmented" takes a whole new meaning.

I like the Helios ending and for this reason. "Helios will communicate not assimilate. Life will go on as usual." Helios - "You will be who you will be. We are our choices." Helios will bring people and ideas together and find a way to satisfy every one. That's way I like the Helios ending. P.S. Of course i would be sceptical of making such a choice

@LMMEntertainment

Жыл бұрын

The only reasonable thing to do was to send the whole facility back to the hell, where it belonged. Canon ending has no sense also, blowing it up with merging is beyond retarded.

@SaturnineXTS

Жыл бұрын

At a glance, the Helios ending seems perfect. But there are some potential red flags: - When Alex suggests people would be administered with antidepressants regardless of their will as a means of behavioral control, JC doesn't deny it - In Helios' speech, Helios sounds like he's rather disappointed that after 125 years, people still don't want to entirely open themselves up to each other's thoughts. Helios communicates rather than assimilates, so he apparently can't forcibly transfer thoughts between people unless those people agree to it. He thinks this is stupid and that "the self" is a frontier that should be overcome. Indeed, that would be kind of like telepathy and let people truly understand each other at a glance (like Helios understands them individually), but it's a vast underestimation of human need for privacy. Seems like the communication between Helios and every person is a single, direct line between him and that person, and the consent is contingent on other people not having access to these thoughts, which Helios doesn't like very much. - In one of the cancelled sequels to Invisible War, apparently Paul Denton was supposed to be leading a disconnected resistance to the Helios utopia. Paul was one of the biggest proponents of the merger and one of JC's biggest supporters, so he must have seen some really serious problems with the arrangements if he chose to rebel.

@courier6960

9 ай бұрын

@@SaturnineXTS That’s really interesting to hear, I think without the context of the potential sequels it’s still the best ending though, as it’s kind of the final chapter of everything that was accomplished in the first game, and every other ending is even more deeply flawed than the issues presented in the Helios ending. I also think it’s important to note the amount of deception and context surrounding the Helios route that makes it far more interesting: - Many of the other characters tell the player that Helios will be just like the Omar and that JC is both totally crazy and no longer existent, that the Helios AI absorbed him. This is in fact a lie being told to Alex and is proven to be so when the player defeats Denton, after the AI is destroyed and JC is “no longer a god”, he doesn’t just stop living, he is in fact fully cognizant and himself, showcasing that the Helios AI does in fact just integrate, and not assimilate. - JCs plan however is certainly flawed due to its centralization, if the Helios ai goes down or is destroyed (just like in all other endings and in the collapse that preceded invisible war), society will completely collapse again due to over reliance on its technology. Sure, people will still exist, but communications and lines of thought will break down. A singular integrated system always will have the flaw of a single point of failure. “Too big to fail” does not mean incapable of failing, but instead that when it does fail total collapse occurs. Helios and the Omar may allow for a collective consciousness, but any weapon or problem that directly attacks the conscious of that singular mind would lead to cascading failures Every other ending however has bigger problems or the same exact problem, under the Illuminati nothing changes, and people needlessly suffer, and I would assume that the Omar would become an even bigger threat. Under the Omar, the real humanity dies to make way for an entirely new post-human species, and under the Templar ending its a hateful, medically suppressed, fearful, antiquated society that just shuffles the deck until the problem eventually circles back around again.

@SaturnineXTS

9 ай бұрын

​@@courier6960 Yeah, it's still the best ending by far. The Illuminati are just conservative right-wingers wanting to emphasize and exploit the fact that some people are better than others, rather than making people truly equal. That's nothing more than selfishness and thirst for power talking. The ending has the world in a peaceful and prosperous state (pretty much linear continuation of today's trajectories), but it's accomplished with the help of cynically pushed religion and ubiquitous surveillance.

@astillia6073

8 ай бұрын

​@SaturnineXTS that makes me wish we got sequels to Infinite War instead of the prequels

_"If you start with minds that are lucid, knowledgeable and emotionally sound, the needs of government change dramatically."_ This is why governments prefer citizens who are uninformed, weak-willed and easily dominated.

@eomdri

9 жыл бұрын

Catzilla That makes no sense.

@KneelB4Bacon

9 жыл бұрын

eomdri It's not in the government's interests to have a population that is educated and capable of critical thinking. Those kind of people undermine its efforts and interfere with its ability to carry out wars and concentrate the countrys wealth and power in the small number of families and corporations who actually run things. A population that is uneducated can always be tricked or frightened into acting against their own interests. (Of course, in totalitarian regimes, you don't even have to pretend to need the support of the people. You can start wars, you can prolong them, you can put anyone in uniform for any length of time without ever having to worry about the slightest political backlash.)

@eomdri

9 жыл бұрын

Catzilla You make it sound like we're all mind slaves to the Illuminati or something,

@nigen

9 жыл бұрын

Catzilla I think Denton means well, but he is not even a normal human to begin with, he was manufactured like his brothers. he only knows humans in theory.

@nigen

9 жыл бұрын

eomdri with the concentration of wealth in this world, that does not seem all that far fetched.

"Wisdom must first be human. You must start with what a human sees and feels. But wisdom must also be knowledgeable, logical, and fair to billions of other beings." Deus Ex is such a quotable series, I love it!

@maybeiam3367

3 жыл бұрын

lol A wild autogynephile

I can listen to JC talk all day.

@geronimokage3635

6 жыл бұрын

Hahahah i agree. Although this is not his original voice right?

@m4Nu2oo7

6 жыл бұрын

Bob VII IMHO should be the same voice actor

As bad as IW was technically I like how Paul surviving was canon given how most players had no idea you could save him.

@monolyth421

4 жыл бұрын

My first playthrough I died honestly to the UNATCO raid and found him alive in the MJ12 medical area.

@doonglerules

4 жыл бұрын

@@monolyth421 That actually works, as the only trigger for Paul dying is you jumping out the back window. If you do literally anything else (including getting your ass kicked in the raid) EXCEPT jump through the window, he'll live Even if you kill all of the UNATCO goons, if you turn around and jump out the window he'll spontaneously die anyway since the game assumes that by going out the back you took the stealth option.

@MaaaaaaTheeeeuS

3 жыл бұрын

@Nikola me too. Feels bad now

@diablocls55

3 жыл бұрын

@@monolyth421 same lol

@Chozo_Ghost

2 жыл бұрын

@@doonglerules According to the Deus Ex Wiki, you can even hide inside the wardrobe in the bedroom (you'd have to destroy the hanging clothes first, however) or even inside the secret compartment behind the bookshelves, and Paul will instantly turn into God Mode Incarnate and kill all of the MJ-12 troops and MIBs himself, and you won't even have to lift a finger. Pretty deceptive for a guy who's supposedly on the verge of dying from UNATCO's killswitch. I have yet to test this out myself, as I didn't even find out about it until after I finished that part. Now I'll have to test it out my next playthrough of the game. I just now beat it again after not having played it for years, so I'll want to go through Invisible War again (was my introduction to the series, so naturally, despite its shortcomings and technical wonkiness, it'll always have a special place in my heart).

Respect to the voice actor, who could make "nanotechnologically" not sound dumb, when said.

Jesus I didn't realize just how deep philosophical this series used to be

@Thatoneassclown

10 ай бұрын

It's really a crime that Human Revolution dropped all of the exquisite nuance of the series in favor of "DURR RACISM ALLEGORY"

@xLeandroIX

8 ай бұрын

​@@Thatoneassclown Well, was Ubisoft behind it. You can't expect much from them already during that time

@connormacleod4922

Ай бұрын

@@xLeandroIX Square Enix actually, not Ubisoft.

All the philosophies, ideologies, plots, sub-plots, and game play in this game I love soooo much I still think about this game and it's conversations a lot still till this day. I wish there more more games like this out to fill that cyber-punk hole in the video game industry

@Elround4

8 жыл бұрын

+Ninja-x1 Well said. I'd also love to see more post-cyberpunk as well.

@itsdaoreo

8 жыл бұрын

+Elround4 I believe their making another Deus Ex and there is another game called Cyberpunk 2077 being made by the same people who made The Witcher so we'll get our Cyberpunk fix soon

@cyphaborg6598

5 жыл бұрын

@@itsdaoreo I'm curious about your thoughts on Mankind Divided.

@itsdaoreo

5 жыл бұрын

@@cyphaborg6598 I'm downloading it now. It's on sale with every other Deus Ex game on Steam. I'll see how this one is

@sidus_7677

3 жыл бұрын

@@itsdaoreo well...

JC Denton explaining his plan faster than the Micro Machines guy.

JC: Oh, and Alex? Alex: Yes? Oh my God, a bomb! JC: A BOMB. *boom*

@petertomszabo6268

4 жыл бұрын

JC:Oh my God Alex, a bomb ! Alex:A bomb ? JC:A bomb ! Alex:I already have some explosives...Get out of there ! JC: Wait..relax..I pulled out the REMOTE CONTROL ! .. Alex: A bomb is bad choice for a close rage combat :D The mix idea came from the Bomb-compilation from a very creative guy, thanks for him :)

I like how Metal Gear Solid 4's Patriot AI is basically the counter-argument to why a government run by a computer system might be efficient, but immoral. Regardless, I supported this ending for Deus Ex.

@Symmonso96

8 жыл бұрын

true but the AI is also part of JC so its a bit different than the AI and functions differently from the Patriot AI

@XxStonedKillerxX

7 жыл бұрын

The point of the merge with JC and Helios was so that Helios can see the world through a humans mind, and understand how a human feels and why that is.

@moahammad1mohammad

5 жыл бұрын

The patriots AI was created by a group of influencers who held the philosophers legacy. They were effectively the illuminati and controlled all the worlds wealth and governments from the shadows post-soviet union collapse. The patriots are effectively an extension of Zero's will, whereas Helios is an benevolent being using his power to control humanity as one, and to remove the conflict of interests shared by human beings and their government.

@omarsheikh4222

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah but in the end they are all run by computers in Revengence.

@sergeantvedara9165

4 жыл бұрын

LAA LII LUU LEE LOO

Even in the Black Sheep of the franchise, JC Denton is still a badass that does not change. Still, I'm annoyed at how much the prequels have so drastically made the past so ridiculously Sci-Fi and "Ghost in the Shell/Blade Runner" that it pretty much makes Deus Ex and Invisible War seem to take place in an alternative time-line. While Human Revolution and Mankind Divided are good games, you can tell that Eidos did NOT want to make a Deus Ex game with what they did.

@mr.voidout4739

5 жыл бұрын

So true. I guess they felt that if they didn't "future it up," it wouldn't appeal to newcomers/younger gamers that would compare it to everything else, like the futurized direction Call of Duty was being taken.

@KushAstronaut

5 жыл бұрын

This is bullshit. DX1 is just as futuristic as the prequels but with worse graphics, you are just looking at the past with rose colored glasses.

@kylemason2836

5 жыл бұрын

+KushAstronaut Then why does Gunther look like someone smashed his face into a table multiple times/incredibly cumbersome and Jensen looks like 100 times more advanced even though it’s the other way around

@crazytiger800

4 жыл бұрын

@@kylemason2836 I recommend downloading a mod called Helios Texture Overhaul mod for Deus Ex. There are two versions of the mod, there are the default package with better textures and the other is the Human Revolution-styled textures. It's way better than the HDTP character models...

@Freezorgium

4 жыл бұрын

@@KushAstronaut This. I believe its purely due to the limitations at the time.

These conversations are highlights of the Deus Ex series. Not many games have discussions on politics, philosophy, and government. In my humble opinion, colleges and universities should recommend these underrated classics to students. They can play them or simply KZread them, but they should learn from them.

@Elround4

9 жыл бұрын

I concur.

@tonyc.0451

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks for agreeing with me. Imagine what today's youth could be capable of if they discovered games like "Deus Ex."

@stuffedsheepshead

9 жыл бұрын

Tony Chang Instead, Call of Duty Modern Regurgitatefare is the kind of 'game' many people love today.

@tonyc.0451

9 жыл бұрын

kristopherm3 How fortunate that I never owned the franchise in my home because I was too cheap to afford any of the titles. You're free to call my statement BS if you want. Anyway, how has "Deus Ex" changed your life?

@stuffedsheepshead

9 жыл бұрын

Tony Chang Deus Ex is arguably my favourite game ever, it's so thought provoking and I see many areas of today's world which look like the start of 'cyberpunk'.

The part about Helios being so advanced that general concepts were obsolete to it, that was pretty cool. A bit of a shame Invisible War didn't have more JC Denton, like Yakuza 5 where Majima barely shows up at the end.

@tonyc.0451

3 жыл бұрын

Great to find others who are familiar with both Deus Ex and Yakuza. Wonder if the folks who worked on the Yakuza games also borrowed from Deus Ex when they designed the Amons. Also, JC Denton and Kiryu went into exile and isolation after their story arcs ended, so there.

@MyGovernmentNameIsJames

3 жыл бұрын

@@tonyc.0451 Never noticed that about Kiryu and JC, appreciate you pointing it out. :)

@tonyc.0451

3 жыл бұрын

@@MyGovernmentNameIsJames You're welcome. Now you're free to point out any comparisons or similarities that I missed.

@PhartingFeeting

10 ай бұрын

@@tonyc.0451issue is the amons were made by retexturing annoying dual pistols guy

@tonyc.0451

10 ай бұрын

@@PhartingFeeting You mean Kazuto Arase from Yakuza/Yakuza Kiwami? A shame that he fell off the grid for a while after the events of the first game.

Can’t imagine the amount of books on political philosophy Warren Spector has had to read in order to write these complex dialogues!

I love Jc Denton.

@TheEmpressNyx

4 жыл бұрын

Alviscerator The Ultimate jc is daddy

A small concern I have with JC's plan for elevation is that, in doing this, individual identities are somewhat lost. We are defined through our flaws and strengths, our struggles, and through them we can grow. Though, there are still plenty of trials and difficulties to grow from even without some disadvantages. On top of that, if the society were structured like JC's proposal, that level of growth might be rendered obsolete. Most humans no longer have to build up the mental resistance to seeing gore, as we don't have to slaughter our own meat. We don't have to cope with the intense fear and anger in combat with a predator, and I think it's benefited us by giving us time to reflect on other matters like philosophy. There's a richness of experience that we can't have if everyone's minds are exactly the same, but willful ignorance, dogmatism, and stubbornness are the prime causes of things like war and bigotry, and are also why it's so hard to honestly discuss the different ideas we have of the world. The elimination of these traits doesn't sound so bad, so long as a human's flawed perspective isn't used as a basis for what constitutes these things. And in the end, considering how it is modeled to work with human desires, I imagine Helios would give enough room for neurological variation to give us a sense of individuality, but with the elimination of more serious flaws. Not just the traits listed earlier that cause so many problems, but things like schizophrenia, severe autism, PTSD, depression, and Alzheimer's disease. Plus, many people actively want to change their personalities but struggle to do so. If we could have some measure of control over how our own minds are melded, asking the Helios AI to repress our anger or irrational fear, then individuality is maintained while people can still strive to improve themselves. Say what you want about the gameplay of Invisible War, the philosophy of Helios and post-merger JC Denton is amazing, and it grabbed me the instant I played the original. It's the best proposal for a utopia I have ever heard. I genuinely think it would work, and if I had the opportunity to implement it, I would do so gladly. I'd even be happy to be Helios' host, regardless of what it does to my identity; this level of freedom from the flaws of human nature is something I can only dream of.

@lykin005

6 жыл бұрын

TheGreatYukon This idea basically formed my current philosophical and political attitudes and beliefs.

@davecrupel2817

6 жыл бұрын

"Helios communicatea, not assimilates" I would need that distinction carefully and clearly spelled out before i tried this method.

@s0nnyburnett

6 жыл бұрын

JC forgot what the french woman told him about the EU.

@LaZonaOscura

6 жыл бұрын

It only communicates not assimilates, after playing this game an following dc ending i trully think it would be the only way to unify all humanity, understanding one another

@TheRocketman832

6 жыл бұрын

What it means, at least I think, is that it will know your thoughts, your psychology, etc. Yet, you will not be changed mentally from this process.

This is some pretty deep shit. Making my head spin.

Still a better option for a candidate then the ones we have now. lol

@KnoxCarbon

6 жыл бұрын

Denton-Helios 2020: Augment fucking everything.

@SiNCry0

5 жыл бұрын

@@KnoxCarbon Wow, genuine LOL on that one. :D

@ratsofftoya

4 жыл бұрын

A benevolent being free of human ambitions and motivations that is solely interested in establishing a post-scarcity world democracy where every voice is heard and nobody is born in poverty or oppression? Hell yeah

@jcdeton72

3 жыл бұрын

@@yomomma5086 At least DX and IW had some endings unlike HR and MD

Dear lord...I was way too young to understand this game in any real depth however I always got Helios ending.

@LMMEntertainment

Жыл бұрын

cringe

JC Denton gonna build greatest democracy the world has ever known

JC ending reminds me of this anime episode which I cant remember by name; A stranger enters a town that seems very quiet and any people he faces gets out of his sight. Later he is told that the inhabitants gained the ability to communicate and understand everyone through telepathy. This however meant that every bad thought or characteristic of any individual would be noticed and soon the village fell into chaos until everyone went hiding in their own houses. Thus robots did all the daily tasks.

@denzelromero4796

3 жыл бұрын

Kino Journey

@kovzov7969

3 жыл бұрын

A town with no name

His merge with Helios took away all need for his augmentations, including his vision ones.

If I was in Jc and DX invisible wars protagonist shoes i would choose the New god. There is more than enough proof that the flaw is in human Nature itself, we are reaching a point that we need to evolve to something more, and honestly the mere presence of someone to hear you, your struggles, pain and frustrations, and that same omnipotent entity being capable of guiding you to become a better self is something that we already express in our societies, we struggle for direction and a sense of belonging in a huge world, anxiety depression and isolation are the main drives of many errant behaviours so why not give it a chance? If the world is going to end anyway why not give it its best chance to suceed

the best plan in this game

Invisible War may not have been as good as the first game, but I did have some interesting ideas.

When your pharmacist misreads the prescription and gives you 20 megagram red-pill instead of a 20 milligram one...

This seems similar to the system of government that the Geth Collective has in Mass Effect 2 and 3; every single Geth program in the network actively participates in the process of making decisions, and they build a consensus based on the views and inputs of every Geth program. This process of decision-making would be impossibly slow for organic beings, but the Geth collective can think and communicate at such speeds that they can come to a decision within minutes.

Alex: "What if I don't want someone peeking into my mind?" While I appreciate that JC brought up de Tocqueville, whom which I am now adding to my reading list, his response of "Trust me, lol, this is for the best" is pretty weak. Narratively speaking, I think it would have been best for him to mirror Morpheus: "Human beings feel pleasure when they are watched. I have recorded their smiles as I tell them who they are.", it would've been much more impactful. I don't necessarily agree with it, but goddamn, would it have been powerful character development.

@Rashaed

3 жыл бұрын

It’s true, but it’s deliberate. Every side has an obvious weakness in their argument. Remember when Alex is talking to Nicolette DuClare: Alex: “You want to maintain disparity?” Nicolette: “Not disparity; difference.” I always took that as a dismissal of his question.

@YukonHexsun

Жыл бұрын

@@Rashaed It's also not *necessarily* a weakness, as much as a spot JC wanted to pivot away from because he believed it was a rabbit hole of unproductive conversation. He is trying to get Alex to do what he wants, which is a kind of manipulation, but arguably everyone does that. I couldn't, I want to argue every point and discuss every part of the morality and philosophy of things. Frankly I'd enjoy a long philosophical debate that goes into that matter but, most people wouldn't, and JC knows he needs to move quickly. He's also a bit dismissive because Alex isn't *really* providing an argument. He's saying "that makes me uncomfortable". We accept a lot of uncomfortable ideas in government, begrudgingly, knowingly, or ignorantly. This would be another one. What he's not saying but implying is effectively this: The reasons we're uncomfortable with someone looking into our mind, and more broadly why we desire and need privacy, is because constant judgement is highly uncomfortable. We desire judgement to a point, but we need to be able to keep our secrets from one another in case someone will interpret it ignorantly, use it to hurt us, judge us unfairly, and so on. Our need for privacy evolved as a consequence of human social structure. Helios isn't that, he's a fundamentally different kind of entity. His judgement would be as informed and unbiased as the entire body of human knowledge can make it. His intentions are (hopefully), fair and benevolent. Its purpose isn't to hold opinions about that person, but rather to inform what to do next in reaction to the person's thoughts and desires, as well as those of everyone else. It's trying to figure out what humanity wants, genuinely interested in making people safe, prosperous, and happy. In the same way that you have to open up to a therapist or other professionals about your feelings to get treatment, you have to open up about your *true* desires for Helios to help people. If everyone limits their desires through the lens of conventionality and judgement, the result is heavily skewed towards mainstream thought. This makes a lot of assumptions about the AI being benevolent but, if it IS? Then, JC is right. General ideas like privacy and discomfort in the face of surveillance, aren't absolute. I actually think Helios could achieve roughly the same result without privacy invasion but, I don't know what issues that solution would have.

@WhoisTheOtherVindAzz

9 ай бұрын

​@@YukonHexsunI really liked your reply here. Writing this comment so I can hopefully find it again :)

It's funny to read the concerns people have about Helios and JC Denton because much of those concerns have already occurred. Like privacy. These days its getting easier to track the actions of an individual back to him/her. Not only that, everyone already "spies" on each other. In fact, they already embrace putting their own information online, and it would be hyprocritical of us to argue for privacy in the first place. People are also willingly forming a larger, creative, collective, without the need or even the needs of assimilation. All of these actions are done by the people, and in DX:IW, it's no different, you just have an AI to supplement these efforts instead. As Morpheus said in the first Deus Ex, "I was made to assist you". Helios is no different, in thr sense that it is acting as an assistant for JC Denton.

@iurycabeleira7990

4 жыл бұрын

Right? The very reason for this course is the need the human nature expresses... the need to create god in our own image

@YukonHexsun

4 жыл бұрын

The problem is that this information is being used in service of those truly in power, which is a bunch of wealthy plutocrats. Unless you live in China, then it's an oppressive state with facial recognition. This is the key reason why privacy is important; being 100% private is not important on its own, but in the context where anyone is trying to screw you over, it's vital. You need privacy to be able to fight the systems that oppress you, because without the potential for improving or overthrowing them, progress is impossible. A benevolent AI "god", makes that idea a lot more complicated. An AI could be like Helios in this game, or it could be a perfected version of the Chinese facial recognition and social standing programs. People will sacrifice privacy out of a desire to feel connected to others, as we are social animals. They will open themselves up to others, though many find this upsetting because they know there are bad people out there who will take advantage of that information. It's always about the threat of being screwed with, that's what comes to mind. I don't think most people see privacy as an end, in and of itself.

@someguy43210

4 жыл бұрын

The people who are too easily swayed by the Helios ending choice likely have not grown up or suffered under communism. There will always be those in power that will manipulate the system. The idea of a 100% fair and balanced AI that is incorruptible for is a fantasy, in the end of the day someone has to program it, there will always be flaws. We are already essentially freely giving up away all of our privacy today in the name of convenience, we don't even need an AI to force us. In history this type of (communist) utopia has never worked. This AI idea is really digital communism. Transhumanism will be exploited as slavery, digitizing yourself and incorporating parts that you don't own takes away from your freedom and control (as shown in Human Revolution and Mankind Divided). We are already seeing the effects of this today.

@slyseal2091

3 жыл бұрын

@@someguy43210 You really need to examine this more, or at least listen to what JC is saying here - theres no corruptible human element present, in this dialogue it talks about how the middle man with his own motivations is entirely gone from the equation, as are the motivations of the people at the top. The first game goes to great length to make it abundantly clear that Helios whole motivation is helping humanity and also controlling it, with either Bob Page or JC at the helm to give it a look at what humans actually want. Theres no corruption, no programmer, it's just the living, breathing manifestation of conscience. People buy into it for the fact that Helios simply isn't wrong in any way, shape or form - even the matter of "taking control away from humanity" is solved because JC is still a human being at the same time as being a machine, and just like what governments are technically supposed to be routes the voice of what equates to every human being through his mind. Saying anything against that would invalidate any argument because the whole idea is that it's supposed to be flawless. The only thing I can think of that would, in a real-life scenario be able to go wrong is people going off the grid, which is just stupid but understandable given that if you don't, like us from behind the screen, know that Helios' sole motivation is aiding humanity. Theres also the logistical side of things of having a computer with enough processing power to literally process every single thought, period. And maybe internet speeds, but I'd guess in 2071 they'd be at terrabyte speed even in africa.

@tygonmaster

3 жыл бұрын

Privacy is an issue of greedy individuals and corporations, not of a benevolent overseer. Helios+JC represents a mediator that would oversee and prevent those piracy issues from getting out of hand like they are in reality. We are no being overseen by benevolent AI, but rather by greedy people being greedy and selling our personal data for about $3 per quarter. We are living in the Illuminati timeline or perhaps one where the Majestic 12 won.

All of politics can be seen by the two kinds of people who listen to this plan. Those that think it would be heaven, and those that think it would be horrifying

@LakituKoopa

Жыл бұрын

With the last ones telling the truth. We already had this thing, it is called communism and it never worked. Had a few million people living in hell or being killed in the process.

@HECKAKYH-ADEKBATEH

Жыл бұрын

I very much like the scientific approach of building a model first .. and watch if it will fsck itself up.

@cynicalmemester1694

10 ай бұрын

It could be both honestly. If it is 100% the case that Helios won't abuse his power, then his world would indeed be heaven.

An actually conceivable way to achieve a true utopia. Where all human needs are met, and every individual are neither abandoned, nor put in power to oppress others. All are equal, all voices are heard, and none are oppressed. Resource destribution are completely automated, so all individual needs are met completely. Instantaneous, and direct democracy. No poverty. No homelessness. No crime. No war. No racial, gender, racial, or national tension, since none of that would ever be needed anymore. Its f**king wonderful.

@johnp9916

7 жыл бұрын

psycho-pass would like to have a word with you

@jalioswilinghart

7 жыл бұрын

John P What about?

@zer0zi

7 жыл бұрын

It's scary. When would humans be ready for this?

@jalioswilinghart

7 жыл бұрын

***** Nearly the total of our species can agree on some things. We want to be appreciated. We want our voices/opinions to be heard. We want our basic needs to be met, food, water, a home. And we want other needs to be met, like job safety, education, healthcare, child care, safety, a just law system, all provided in some form or another, without corruption getting in the way. You now agree 100% with 99.9% of humanity. This is literally a solution that would try to find the best possible answer to meet literally everyone's needs, without harming the needs of any other individual. It is literally its sole function. It can calculate over a hundred ways to give you a balanced diet tomorrow, with only things you like to be delivered to your door, in a nano second. It can figure out how to plan road building, without harming the health of nearby residents, wildlife, or travel time. It can switch all of earth's energy to green energy in less than a decade. An actually manageable, and smoothly run bureaucracy. No more waiting in line, no more bad service, no more sub par safety checks, no more faulty equipment. All production and transport could be 100% automatized. Meaning all resources could be gathered and distributed so none would ever even know what the word "poor" would mean other than in theory. No one will ever be homeless again. No one will ever starve again. No one, will ever be unheard or abandoned ever again. Its a utopia. Could be brighter, but it has the potential to be a pretty freaking bright one. (I'm sorry for the wall of text, I really just love... well humanity. So any seemingly functional utopia gets me in all sorts of fan-boying)

@zer0zi

7 жыл бұрын

But don't you think that having different opinions will always lead to disagreement and complaints and eventually people would start fighting with each other? since it's the nature of humanity? i just cannot see when this kind of society would make it alive.

I love the background music in this level.

I miss when games had such good plots.

4:29 Jock : Am I a joke to you?

This seen alone is reason enough to play invisible war

Whenever someone says that DE:IW is a bad game i show them this.

@Hirnlego999

6 жыл бұрын

The gameplay still blows.

@jcdeton72

6 жыл бұрын

If the story was the same but everything else like the original one...oh man this game would have been perfect!

@L7vanmatre

5 жыл бұрын

I gave up and wanted to see the story. But I'm just so bored with the game itself, it's physically painful to keep trying. I've played 50 hours of the extreme boredom of Witcher 1 and I don't want to do it again. Plus, it's messing consistently with my display.

@KushAstronaut

5 жыл бұрын

@@Hirnlego999 The gameplay in DX1 is much shittier than in IW though.. IW is like identical only improved.

@Hirnlego999

5 жыл бұрын

@@KushAstronaut No idea which IW version you have gotten your hands on because IW is a lot simplified even when it comes to its combat.

We regard the present human norm as a transitional state. We will not give up our humanity, but we will perfect it in a thousand diverse ways.

@HECKAKYH-ADEKBATEH

Жыл бұрын

perverse, not diverse.

This cutscene was probably more deep and stimulating than all other video game cutscenes I've ever seen put together.

Me: Uh huh... Yep. 1:06 Denton: ... siezed by the templars- Me: SHIT GOT REAL.

@CS-si4nn

Жыл бұрын

Yo comment so old, the timestamp don work

@TheTwiton

Жыл бұрын

@@CS-si4nn damn

There is no possible way to ever achieve a true utopia. The best we can do is balance freedom and control to a point where we as a civilization are at our highest productivity and quality of life.

@vodkaboy

2 жыл бұрын

"our highest productivity and quality of life" classic boomer moment

I always picked this ending because I can't bring myself to kill JC and Paul.

@OnafetsEnovap

2 ай бұрын

Make that two of us. I always felt the Denton boys had the noblest, or at least the most well-meaning, intentions, so it made sense for me to side with them throughout the game and ultimately choose their ending.

Invisible War needs a do over, there are too many gems in it to discount it completely.

@WhoisTheOtherVindAzz

4 жыл бұрын

My feeling is that they (whoever the devs would be) would change it too much and the things that make it so special (in a good way) would be nearly - if not - completely lost. Don't get me wrong, this hypothetical game would probably play really well and have a couple of new phrases like "I didn't ask for this" but they would at best be empty or at worst be twisted in a way that feed into the technophobia of recent years (I'm not saying this would be a bad thing to do in general - this is how a lot of great SF came about - only that IF this is what they did to IW instead of making a new franchise THEN that would not be to my liking). (And one of the pilots would be DLC 🤗). If instead they ended up doing a great remake then that would be awesome and I would stand corrected 😃 And everything would be totally awesome! 🤗

@MrPoke

3 жыл бұрын

Ive been thinking about making a mod that remakes IW in the DX1 engine

The dialogue here is great. You realize Denton is like the other tyrants: "Upon consideration, you'll see that this arrangement is for the best." Essentially saying the exact same thing any other dictator would say, that if you just agree with them then everything will be fine. There's no way to completely calculate, perfect, and refine the needs of every individual to make a magically perfect society. Helios thought it would bring order, but the universe doesn't work on total order. And notice he doesn't answer the question of whether or not he would be a god in this new society.

@iwannabethekid34xc

10 жыл бұрын

Ezra Silvershekelstein At least you don't expect to be taken seriously. Thank God.

@apugalypse_now

10 жыл бұрын

Solomon Kane Go back to /lit/, pinko

@iwannabethekid34xc

10 жыл бұрын

Ezra Silvershekelstein oh god you're so excruciatingly bad at this it's painful.

@apugalypse_now

10 жыл бұрын

Solomon Kane >smug anime girl as an avatar >Robert E. Howard character username >"The Pity Repose" (cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob//internet_graphic1.jpg) Boy, you've sure convinced me that you're not mad right now.

@apugalypse_now

10 жыл бұрын

Solomon Kane excellent retort, m'lady **tips fedora**

Its not fair that people hate this Game so much.. Its still one of my favourites oldscool Games, i loved the amazing atmosphere and soundtrack, the Omar and the freedom to do what you want. I also loved to modify my body with legal and illegal Biomods. Proud that i have the first pc edition with a booklet.. Games like this will never come back, but who i am...

@drazpa489

7 жыл бұрын

The most major weakness of this game is the strength of its predecessor. Its makers have once said, that they listened to much to those, who didn't like the original game, when they made their decisions on what to change. But I guess, the game was then judged by those DID like the original game. Of course they noticed mostly, what was lacking when compared to Deus Ex 1. I'm pretty sure, the game would have been remembered quite favorably, if it wasn't a sequel to Deus Ex.

@CS-si4nn

Жыл бұрын

My only gripe is that this game is ugly

@OmegaVideoGameGod

8 ай бұрын

I played it and thought it was still Deus Ex, I mean I can’t begin to explain how hard it is to make a game sequel that’s better than the original in a lot of cases.

2:20 this line sounds like what Human Revolution tried to say but failed to

JC is the one charater in Invisible War that speaks like a Deus Ex character. It's like he was written by someone who wrote the previous game, and everyone else was by a different guy.

I believe losing his shades is suppose to be symbolic that he is finally able to see clearly about what the future should bring to better mankind. In the first Deus Ex, he was mostly blinded and doing other people's bidding before finding his own voice after merging w/ Helios.

Denton in DE: I'm not big into books. Denton in IW: _Casually quotes de Tocqueville to justify establishing post-humanism on a global scale_

@georgsgrants9925

2 жыл бұрын

It was because he was going on missions all the time. Now that he has Helios' levels of processing power, he has more than enough time for book-reading

@WhoisTheOtherVindAzz

9 ай бұрын

Yes. Yeeeees. Y-y-y-eeee-e-s.

Amazing writing, great voice acting, awesome story.

Well of course JC doesn't sound the same. He spent the last two decades merged with an ultra-advanced AI construct. Add to that the fact that he'd also been contemplating how best to essentially save humanity at the same time, and you can understand why he changed so profoundly. As for just his VOICE sounding differently, I guess Eidos just felt it was more fitting he had this strange, mechanical voice since he's cybernetic. DX1 beats the crap outta this, but it could've been more polished.

not everyone can be equal to their dictator in such a large society. thats the economic reality. there are costs to education...

@No33758

4 күн бұрын

How things are now, sure. In the context of this however, a collective effort of all humanity under an AI like Helios can achieve unimaginable things, including addressing education for all people.

It feels weird seeing him without glasses

Could Ava Johnson be named named after Adam Jensen? Both are AJ, Jensen is a different spelling of Johnson. Adam was created before Eve (Ava). Co'incidence?

@MatthewVanston

25 күн бұрын

Adam Jensen is a character that was made up AFTER Ava Johnson.

"Is human nature perfect? No. Therefore, improvements are to be welcomed."

@Wasmachineman

2 жыл бұрын

And not annihilated in Templar programs.

New question: Do the events of Human Revolution change your outlook on events in Deus Ex and Deus Ex: Invisible War?

@Wasmachineman

10 жыл бұрын

No, and I played HR first.

@Rashaed

10 жыл бұрын

WittgensteinSergeant Well what factions would you pick in the other 2 games?

@Wasmachineman

10 жыл бұрын

You mean the endings? Deus Ex: JC Denton merging with Helios, because it's a canon ending and I like it, the perfect mix of man and machine: JC-Helios Denton. Invisible War: JC Denton Ending, also because it's canon and I believe in a next-gen civilization, as said by him, in RL I ain't afraid to try new stuff either.

@shintaiden

10 жыл бұрын

WittgensteinSergeant I did too. Good for you for not being afraid of change.

@ThePa1riot

10 жыл бұрын

Not at all. JC's merging with Helios and subsequent Singularity after the events of IW are exactly in line with my beliefs in transhumanism; which HR expounded upon in length. By itself, augmentation is not the problem for human and societal ills. The problem lies in administration and distribution, something that Helios is capable of solving. It's also something of a misnomer, this plan. Helios and JC are not trying to assimilate, individuality is not to be extinguished, that's why they seek to understand all minds, so it can act on all individual needs, tastes, and ambitions. Maybe it's just my nature as a God fearing man, but the idea of a benevolent all knowing super intelligence is the one the most appeals to me.

The writing in this scene is so good. In 4 minutes it covers theology, philosophy, politics and the human nature and communicates its ideas well enough to be understood. There's even another layer of irony to it, this 4 minute speech is a generality in light of just how deep these topics can go.

@reidparker1848

4 ай бұрын

Theology? It makes 1 or 2 generally anti-theistic comments and then discusses political organization.

seeing jc and the sanctuary level was like seeing an old friend

I never saw the other endings. I didn't care. When it came time to pick between making a choice for everyone simultaneously (for some almost certainly against their "will".) or trusting in some organization with no clear workable goal It didn't even take a second. Reaching for true equality was really the only choice between "Trust me, no really, I'll be nice to everybody and help them this time." or truly giving everyone the power help themselves. It's an Easy moral choice. Do the most good.

Tracer Tong was such such a god damn idiot in Deus Ex. Destroying all our tech? Sounds brilliant dude.

@thegreatleviathan0

9 жыл бұрын

That besides eliminating tech would require a KKV to annihilate the planet and thereby destroy any possibility of any organism developing a sufficient level of tech to augment themselves. In short Tracer "idea" would have been nothing more than a temporary road bump.

@HQ_Default

7 жыл бұрын

The idea was that by disabling all electronics across the world, it would mean that governments would scale back on a scale comprehensible to the citizens. Problem with that is, we had big government even before electronics existed. Like... waaaay before.

@JoeyBear4Life

7 жыл бұрын

HQDefault correct. The idea is actually quite noble, but there are merciless conquerors in every age and scope. Maybe cutting out electronics would remove issues such as banking cartels, debt, and proxy armies, but the hands would almost definitely be changed to more barbaric forms of conquer based on who has the most goods. Potentially some isolated societies may be able to sort their shit out, but that just makes this a deck shuffle at best.

@getsufuma2597

6 жыл бұрын

Basically his plan was to reboot civilization hoping that a better one would emerge, as the path humanity had gone down up to that point was irredeemable.

@commenter_HIMIK-MAN

6 жыл бұрын

He liked Escape from L.A. a bit too much.

Hey Rashead. Have you played Mankind Divided yet and do you like it?

@Rashaed

7 жыл бұрын

UPDATE: I'm playing MD now and having a lot of fun!

All of this shit is great. This is on par with talking with Morpheus in the first game. Great writing and ideas, as far as their being extensions from the three disparate endings of DX1. Human Revolution did the right thing and set itself before the others. There isn't a bad game in this series. As far as Invisible War, well, it's a unique protagonist with a new set of skills, travelling the globe and fighting shadows. Mankind Divided has mostly same skills, a retread of a protagonist, and virtually one city. Invisible War is a better Deus Ex game than Mankind Divided, though the mechanic / playing MD feels the most refined. Rating: GOTY, Human Revolution, Invisible War, Mankind Divided. Again, not a bad game in the series.

@WhoisTheOtherVindAzz

9 ай бұрын

I agree. And I had to write this. Because I'm so happy to see a comment like this.

I remember laughing my ass off when I found out Ava was an AI, because that same voice actress gave us SHODAN's memorable performances.

Say what you want about this game, when I got to this part when I was 16, I had a fricken nerd gasm. I love the philosophy and political intrigue of the series. DX HR was a masterpiece, but I wish it had a scene like this

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll be looking into it.

I notice you're using John P's High Rex DX:IW Textures. I tried installing it tonight, and while the installation took fine I found myself gazing at a blank screen for minutes on end until I CTRL + ALT + DEL'd my way out of the game. It only ever worked once, and that was by pure accident. Have you ever experienced this problem? And if so, what did you do to fix it?

DEAR GOD... This voice acting is sooooooooo amazing...

His intentions are benign, wanting all to be equal in all ways. I just don't like the idea of people losing privacy by having their minds connected. I lose myself in my thoughts every single day, and would never want anyone peeking into what I think about.

@RandemFellow

7 жыл бұрын

It goes both ways you know.

@RandemFellow

7 жыл бұрын

You see into everyone's mind, they see into yours.

@greenglassman

5 жыл бұрын

Yo Momma I do care, i dont want peoples to know about my feticisms.

@kiljupullo

5 жыл бұрын

Helios communicates with everyone but keeps peoples thoughts private from other people. Atleast i think it went like this in Deus ex. Ai is not actually someone in a sense, so no privacy is lost, no one looks what information helios has, except jc denton, but he already merged with helios.

@CybernautZero

5 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't matter anyway because we'd all understand each other since we would all be connected to each other. There would be no judgement.

@Rashaed sorry to bother you but can you explain is plan exactly what would happen if he succeded please?

I always thought Adam blew up Panchea. It just felt like it fit the best canonwise. Your theory about what happens in the end describes my thoughts exactly, so I won't bother repeating what has already been said. Also, Bob Page was talking about "going through the wreckage" in the secret clip at the end.

TMW you realize Alex D is voiced by none other than Vegeta himself

Original had great gameplay and talked about conspiracies in great detail. Invisible War talked about other factions which was interesting like the knights and the omar and hr and mankind divided had much better voice acting and a more interesting world to roam around in. They should have taken these traits and combine them to make the perfect deus ex game.

@Kusari31 In the original I went for the Dark Age ending, with Tracer Tong. With that ending, the merger with Helios shouldn't be possible. So unless you merge with the AI in the original, the other options don't seem do-able. The 'Collapse' could allude to the Dark Age scenario, if I filled in the blanks myself, but that would mean Helios survived and re-routed power elsewhere (or became self-sufficient), in between games, and convinced JC to merge anyway.

Where can I find JC Denton Helios? I will need him to change our world. ;^;

This and mgs has so many similarities i can relate

JC Denton's meaning really meant to end the war with benevolence and prosperity, he's asking all individual to understand one another.

@pivotedsticks How and when does that happen? I don't recall him ever betraying me when I played through the Invisible War.

The background sounds are so soothing...

i love how the music suddenly transitions!

You had to skim through a game just to see the REAL *Deus Ex 2*

@Rashaed actually, JC is'nt wearing shades, so it cannot be cannon.

@Metroid225 and with buttons I mean the keypads. I liked having a little notepad with the codes and logs and stuff, even though I didn't use it very often. The thing about the first Deus Ex I liked is the stuff they put in that most probably wouldn't take part in, like reading longer books and picking "bad" skills (like swimming). It gives the player a choice. For me it felt like Invisible War constantly tried to take me by the hand and say "This is what you are supposed to do." Not as cool.

I thought his vision was Augmented

Based, sign me up for this shit

@DestructoMonkey "Mankind cannot be equalized in mind and body simply by uplinking to the great interwebs that is Helios." Yep, and that's why the plan *wasn't* just to uplink with helios. At 1:45 in the vid: "Address the flaws in human nature. Make all beings truly equal in both body and mind". The augs required to uplink to helios also included the kinds of physical and mental augs that JC had, eliminating or at least massively reducing the stratification in society.

An excellent point, the advantage of this imitaveness is it allows adaptability to changing social systems, changing it would be a monumental task since we would have to program a filter or a state of mind present from birth.

Again the first sentence: Borg and The Invasion have nothing common with JC/Helios.

Don't mind me, the election results made me think of this conversation and the companion ending. I remember picking it the very first time I played back in high school because I wanted to believe in what JC was talking about. And then the ending came along and listening to Helios' monologue left a terrible taste in my mouth. Went back and went with the Omar ending over all others. That was back when I was in high school. Now that I'm older, I think I'd go with Helios instead.

@reidparker1848

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, the pretentiousness of leftists knows no bounds. We, the American people, do humbly beg the international left's forgiveness for acting in our national self-interests. Outside of that, I find transcendentalism to be a pipe dream at best and a Singularoty-related danger at worst.

@macklinbutcher3145

3 жыл бұрын

@@reidparker1848 Shut the fuck up asswipe.

@DorianMichaelsIII J.C. and Helios are merged, one conciousness born of a combination of two. While Helios may have a greater influence due to it being a powerful A.I., it lacked crucial factors, such as humanity, in it. That was why it needed J.C., and J.C. needed it to come up with a better solution for controlling the world, as he stated; 'I needed the Helios merger in order to contemplate the problem effectively.'

@DestructoMonkey You're right of course, but I believe the game addresses this. I recall Apostlecorp's research was about making biomods universal. One of the reasons the WTO gives for opposing Apostlecorp is to avoid a market disruption and protect the value of biomodified individuals, like real estate. The next logical step would be to make a biomod for a given ability and voila! Equal access to any given ability for all people -- provided they have biomods.