My philosophy is augmented.

@engineergaming5989

4 жыл бұрын

@G E T R E K T 905 suuuuure

@Sinusoid-

3 жыл бұрын

I was made to assist you

@abaddonanon7573

2 жыл бұрын

It's just a subsystem of a larger complex.

@Bobthegamer1

2 жыл бұрын

Holy fuck I'm 22 years old and drunk now wtf happened?

@abaddonanon7573

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bobthegamer1 You was 17 the last time you posted here? ;-D

The writers of this game...how did they manage to write the sheer amount of dialogue and story in this game, make it interesting, then make it future proof and valid for today ? This is a masterclass of science fiction writing, this game is truely the Blade Runner of the gaming world.

@g.h7657

5 жыл бұрын

Its called the illuminati. They warned you in this game yet people are actually stupid enough to think its not real.

@YukonHexsun

4 жыл бұрын

@@g.h7657 The Illuminati in Deus Ex is useful as a metaphor for a world governed by a plutocracy. That is the world we live in, but we aren't ruled by "The Illuminati". There's not some secret society with rituals and shit, they aren't using subliminal mind control or any of the other silly junk people attribute to them. I do think these kinds of obscenely wealthy people know each other, and make their own networks of politicians, business owners and regulators. Knowing other super rich people helps you out a lot, but that doesn't mean there's a regimented structure, a society. Plutocrats think alike because they're raised in similar ways, and have to act in similar, self-interested ways to be successful at the extreme top. You want a society of rich assholes meeting each other? Drop the Illuminati because there's no evidence for that particular incarnation of a secret society. We already have a real example; Jeffrey Epstein. It's not fucking Pizza Parlors and underground societies, it's a rich white pedophile with a private island. These people meet on their yachts, their giant mansions, making deals and then going their separate ways. They're entirely self-interested, so why be a part of a society? They wouldn't, except for fun, so such a society would actually not be all that relevant to the problem. People aren't stupid, it's just that the portrayal of the Illuminati by people afraid of them tends towards, "The Vigilant Christian" behavior. Nobody takes that seriously because it's paranoid delusion. Separate the paranoia from the reality, because you honestly don't need to be paranoid to still be freaked the fuck out by how much power the plutocrats who run this world have. There's no need to exaggerate the already horrible realities of things, except for fun and art like in Deus Ex of course.

@dfghj241

4 жыл бұрын

@@YukonHexsun you want to know what isn't a paranoid delusion? the fact that the behaviour you so correctly described is systemic in nature. what we are observing cannot be just a bunch of "corrupt individuals" exercising power in the shadows, it is the culmination of just about 200 years of global capitalist development and wealth accumulation. they don't just meet in yatchs, they also meet at the UN table (through representatives) or in any international or economic forum that involves all the big players of the world chessboard (a rather outdated metaphore). "democratic" states answer to wealth first, to power second, and lastly, to the needs of the regional elites that maintain the client states in order, in "freedom". i think deus ex, as good as it was, fails to demonstrate how this world is the logical evolution of an economic model that leads to wealth accumulation, to imperialism and to global state terrorism (although many would argue state terrorism and imperialism are the same).

@YukonHexsun

4 жыл бұрын

@@dfghj241 I wouldn't agree that it fails to demonstrate that, it's kind of the main thrust of the game itself. The emails and books tend to shed more light on that kind of background stuff.

@Spazticspaz

4 жыл бұрын

Everything from the 90s early 2000 were dank and following a different spirit than the age of today. It was some divine Kether stuff goin on.

I love how throughout his journey JC loses practically every argument he gets into. It adds onto his characterization. By the end, he does not only change physically (with his skills and augmentations) but his opinions change as well. Each argument, it seems, slowly shows JC parts of the bigger picture and destroys his naive heroic beliefs.

@DraftyRum

2 жыл бұрын

its good to be a hero

@baddiegaming758

2 жыл бұрын

@@DraftyRum my heroic belief is augmented

@PsychoCrusher46

2 жыл бұрын

Your heroic beliefs are augmented but I've got nerves of steel

@okarowarrior

2 жыл бұрын

JC being 23 is baffling. For me, it would made more sense to be in his 30s. Because of the characterization and the way he speaks.

@vincent_hall

2 жыл бұрын

A brutal lesson for our lives?

"No one will worships a software that spys them with a camera" Oh JC if you only knew how bad things really are

@Ezio999Auditore

2 жыл бұрын

Just the beginning of the end anon.

@juanme555

2 жыл бұрын

I bet you preordered the iPhone 12 Pro Max as soon as it was announced.

@niggacockball7995

2 жыл бұрын

@@juanme555 ?

@domasbaliulis23

Жыл бұрын

monkeypox: am i a JOKE to you?

@nathanalexander5598

Жыл бұрын

@@domasbaliulis23 It only affects a "Certain" group of people so yes it is a joke

"You underestimate humankind's love of freedom." And you, JC, overestimate it.

@globaltoleranceproject

Жыл бұрын

The kind of humans who loved freedom that much have mostly been retired, lol. SSRI zombies are the ruder forms which now survive.

@mrscruffles801

Жыл бұрын

Humankind showed how much it loves freedom when a bug with a 99% survival rate came out of Versalife- I mean Wuhan.

@funnyjokeman6175

Жыл бұрын

At this point, the question is no longer if man would sacrifice everything for freedom than if freedom was really worth fighting for in the first place.

@mrscruffles801

Жыл бұрын

@@funnyjokeman6175 It very much is

@funnyjokeman6175

Жыл бұрын

@@mrscruffles801 eh, at this point i think it's kind of overrated and i'd trade the right to make my own decisions for the reliability of having all the decisions made for me be good ones

1:27 _"The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with __-data-mining algorithms-__ Facebook"_.

@thom_wye

9 жыл бұрын

Catzilla I think it is actually a very, VERY deep and serious idea.

@Shaymeonyoo

9 жыл бұрын

Catzilla KZread. Google.

@sdfgbsfgbhsdfndsfhsd

9 жыл бұрын

Catzilla Facebook is a collection of data mining algorithms with a web frontend for the objects it observes.

@sukmaidack

8 жыл бұрын

+Random Game Stuff kinda see what this 1999 video game was predicting?

@sdfgbsfgbhsdfndsfhsd

8 жыл бұрын

***** Most of this stuff was going on already in 1999. It's just way more wide-reaching and they have the computing power to process the data to a much finer degree.

The most unbelievable thing about this encounter is that he's 23.

@Jinars.

Жыл бұрын

How so? JC is naive in this encounter and him being young makes sense for why that is.

@D0geGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@Jinars. you miss the point, he neither looks nor sounds like any 23 year old I've ever seen. He seems like at least 30 to 35 at best.

@Jinars.

Жыл бұрын

@@D0geGaming He's not human though

@D0geGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@Jinars. transhuman perhaps, but my point stands nevertheless.

@adams2531

Жыл бұрын

His birthday is augmented.

... JC is only 23 years old? Gosh...

@Ksensei41

9 жыл бұрын

Try living with all these augmentations up your ass and look young lolz

@cyberninjazero5659

8 жыл бұрын

+Ksensei41 well he's a clone so he was likely born "23 years old"

@Nightshift10000

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah I could have sworn he was at least 27 - 32

@vydeogames

7 жыл бұрын

CountAbel looks young on the cover.

@worsethanjoerogan8061

6 жыл бұрын

Lol with year 2000 graphics can you really tell a 23 year old from a 30 year old?

Today when I entered facebook in the morning, they sent me a video about friendship day, showing me a list of my friends, and a lot of photos with them. Instantly, I remembered this video from Deus Ex. I'm not sure what I fear the most: an AI that knows what it wants, or an AI that knows what WE want.

@cidaoaparecido4162

7 жыл бұрын

"The need to be observed and understood, was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms." OH SHIT!

@MystPlaysGamesMPG

6 жыл бұрын

Google is basically Advanced Morpheus

@spacewargamer4181

6 жыл бұрын

Carl Paul And now with the personal information filtred? XD

@glenngriffon8032

6 жыл бұрын

more like a primitive Morpheus. Google is not yet at the point where we can have a full on conversation with it like this. But it's getting there. All our AI are getting there. Slowly but surely.

@khatack

5 жыл бұрын

@@MystPlaysGamesMPG Meh, Google is basically a prototype for a much larger system ^^

"You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands." Hardest line of all time. This game is still on another level.

"God was a dream of good government" such an excellent quote

@misterwhalrus7334

Жыл бұрын

but a more honest quote would be:""God was a dream of perfect government"

@SeptemberManHey

Жыл бұрын

@@misterwhalrus7334 nah you're wrong in the case they don't make major history of religions discoveries until 2052 pointing to the contrary, but for now the evidence we have points to the oldest religions being polytheisms and the oldest mythologies we have tell stories of power struggles and often ameliorations in the gods hierarchies which mean they're not perfect from the start. I'm not sure I believe that, as I have my guts and some nice clues telling me polytheism priorly devolved from monotheism (current ones seem to all stem from polytheisms though). So basically I'm agreeing with you in an annoying manner, in case you meant that the AI should have said something else, cause I believe this is perfect, and if I'm being honest it's the coolest depiction of its shortcomings despite its intelligence : When warm feelings die, good enough is never really good enough for living things - is what I think he doesn't see. I will stop bothering after I confess to you that I had more or less this exact thought process when I first played the game 12 years ago, so I just needed to close it for you in case you didn't, because I suppose, I'm glad you exist, or as would say scholars : monkey glad seeing same tribe monkey. This is such a great game and I might need to maybe not smoke as much as I do. Anyway, have a great day.

@misterwhalrus7334

Жыл бұрын

@@SeptemberManHey thank you my good man, I personally do not believe the quote in in of itself, I just find the quote excellent.

@natanhale7680

Жыл бұрын

@@SeptemberManHey Gods of oldest religions definetely mirrored the power struggle of that time nations. But more developed religions, such as Christianity, are trully a dream of perfect government.

@zachmercer1065

Жыл бұрын

@@natanhale7680 what do you mean by “perfect government?”

Prophetic, simply prophetic. The game really was ahead of its time.

@lucaschmidt8913

10 жыл бұрын

I realize that in so many aspects... NSA spying, Robotics gaining importance. The 3D printer as the universal constructor ^^

@cr4yv3n

9 жыл бұрын

Except there a LOT of Bob Page. Corporate assholes...

@Antarctide

7 жыл бұрын

its*

@Hadrexus

7 жыл бұрын

The part where you're in a café in Paris and this woman talks about how the EU slowly eroded the national indentities of it's member countries in order to establish a centralized government... it's exactly what's happening today. It gave me chills when I replayed this game after realizing what's going on with this world. There's even a mention of memetic warfare in an MJ12 datacube in the Cathedral. (Not memetic in the sense of how we know "memes" today, but the control of the propagation of ideas and thoughts through a certain mean, be it genetically or culturally)

@reidparker1848

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hadrexus Imagine unironically using the term "meme". Social "science".

"God was a dream of good goverment".. that one's stuck with me for years..

@jimjim377

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't Stanton Dowd call successful conspiracies governments?

@Matthew_85k

2 жыл бұрын

Just sounds like somebody trying to explain away God with psychology. I guess it sounds more profound than it really is when coming from a video game AI. Perhaps that, in itself, says something about humanity. I believe in Jesus Christ, and the Kingdom of Heaven, which will replace this current fallen world.

@juhaniheinonen6132

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matthew_85k The last paragraph was unnecessary. No surprises there.

@Matthew_85k

2 жыл бұрын

@@juhaniheinonen6132 I guess we all do things that are unnecessary. Lol.

@Ancor_Vantian

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matthew_85k It is somewhat funny to me that you, a believer in Jesus and Heaven, completely misses the point of Morpheus' words. "God was a dream of good government" is an acknowledgement that the entity that humans (without distinction of religion) would call "[a] God(s)", by virtue of being the creator of existence, and the ruling power over the universe; is able to make his Will law with complete control over everything; granting judgment base on the actions of those being judged. You have to look at this statement from the perspective of Morpheus. He believes that mankind, essentially, 'behaves' like 'civilize' people becase we know and/or believe that someone ([a] God(s)), is watching us, every hour of every day (POI reference); that someone won't hesitate to punish us (condemn) if our acts go against its will. Now, that is just 'belief' (in the traditional sense of the word) Morpheus has concluded that _He_ can become the new 'god' and do what old Gods did, except that can _actually_ have an effect. He could directly pass judgement on those dimmed unfitting for the betterment of mankind. This is just a condensed, bite-size version of a much, _much_ deeper and intelectual debate, but this is a KZread comment section, so cheers.

JC_denton_talks_with_windows_11.mp4

@MystPlaysGamesMPG

6 жыл бұрын

JC Denton talks to google (Seriously there is stuff I have not even looked up that Google knows about WTF!!!! GIVE MY MY DAMN PRIVACY)

@aqndroid

3 жыл бұрын

win11 is here

"The unplanned organism is a question asked by nature and answered by death"

@ManInBlack718

2 жыл бұрын

JC, you are another kind of question with another kind of answer.

I like how subtly fourth wall-breaking this is; the smiles Morpheus is recording aren't just faceless people's, he's also recording our own as we play the game and make choices for JC.

@JustinCage56

9 жыл бұрын

*Mind Blown*

@LasDesventurasdeVirus

8 жыл бұрын

If they remake this game, I would like them to discretely use your computer's webcam to record player's face and show it on Morpheus.

@wrathchild7218

6 жыл бұрын

man, this game is really prodigious in terms of attention to detail and good story-building and immersion, apart from the fact it speaks the truth about our own society

@madmorgo6233

2 жыл бұрын

@@LasDesventurasdeVirus that actually sounds kinda amazingly twisted, there'd be privacy concerns but that's thematically relevant AF. I love this idea 😻

Arguably the greatest conversion in gaming history, no joke

@ZidaneTribal93

6 жыл бұрын

The MEMES

@alaverga173

5 жыл бұрын

It's up there with raidens conversation with a AI in mgs2

@chocolatedippedroach

5 жыл бұрын

@@alaverga173 kreia in kotor 2 is up there.

@LucasBarbosa-qh5ke

5 жыл бұрын

Your squadmates Legion and Mordin Solus in Mass Effect 2 has incredibly philosophical dialogue as well (albeit not exactly related to subjects like mass surveillance and violation of privacy). It just goes to show that video games can handle deep subject matter just as well as (or perhaps even better than) film and books.

@TheLegendOfNiko

5 жыл бұрын

Watch the MGS2 video

This game wasn't a guess. It was predictive programming.

@AbuHajarAlBugatti

4 жыл бұрын

yup especially Government so baaad buut Cyborgs and Augmentations, mixing humans with steel and computers is soooo goood. hypocrisy , no big government without help of advanced technology anywhere

@kanesmith8271

4 жыл бұрын

@@AbuHajarAlBugatti vice versa as well

@K0Z1E

3 жыл бұрын

hey bro

@Mayhzon

Жыл бұрын

@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Was the general message really "Government bad"? It seemed more like the corruptive aspects and American aspects that came into question. Heck, you even end up finishing your journey in China where you find actual retreat from the people hounding you. Foreshadowing maybe as China is a rising power.

"You will soon have your God,and you will make it with your own hands." Helios Ending,much?

@yoshi9538

3 жыл бұрын

ITS OUR PHONES!!

Logically, Morpheus is just like chatgpt

I really wish the newer Deus Ex games had this kind of writing...

@evancooper7510

5 жыл бұрын

the present games imo are a product of all of this game. censorship, propaganda, agendas.

@YukonHexsun

4 жыл бұрын

The new games are symptoms of the very same runaway capitalism that the original criticized. Mankind Divided's heinous pre-order DLC fiasco with a storyline that's stripped out all the interesting analysis and breakdown of modern society and replaced it with clumsy racism analogies, nods to the original, and shit tons of cyberpunk Anime. I'm not knocking that last bit too much, because Ghost in the Shell is awesome, but it makes no sense in this game series. The augmentation debate as a centerpiece of the discussion in the new games is just a terrible idea, it feels like the very same surface level discussion that an organization like Deus Ex's Illuminati would use to draw attention away from the real problem. Which, hey look at that, is exactly what is happening in the story of the new games! Square Enix couldn't push something like the original because it's critical of the very same money-grubbing corporate bullshit that they try to pull, so instead they have a cool cyberpunk story that has none of the depth of the original. I sound way too down on this game, because when I played it I honestly thought it was better than the original. What I realized later was, while the original game's story and philosophy wipes the floor with pretty much every other game I've seen, the new games do have some pretty great gameplay. So, my angry fan ranting might be a bit extreme, but I'm just someone itching for another game like Deus Ex to come out. Cyberpunk isn't all about robot parts, AIs, dark city streets, trench coats and nods to corporate control, damn it! That's a lot of it, but it feels like people think that's ALL of it.

@KNDaedX

4 жыл бұрын

@@YukonHexsun 100% Agree

@themajesticspider-man6116

3 жыл бұрын

Mate, they're reboots. Of course they're not gonna have similar writing throughout. Besides, HR and MD are pretty great on their own with the stories they tell as well. Though they still stick with the source material when it comes to gameplay, art, emersion and writing as well.

@themajesticspider-man6116

3 жыл бұрын

@@YukonHexsun "clumsy racism analogies" How is bigotry, discrimination and segregation against augmented people by non-augmented people for something they had no control over different from bigotry, discrimination and segregation against black people by white people for something they have no control over?

'you underestimate human love of freedom' lmao look at the world right now.

@lanceleader163

4 жыл бұрын

jack oldman Subjugated and subdued.

@nodeberiaestaraqui93

Жыл бұрын

What years of beimg groomed by the elites does to a mf

@Alex-Omega

Жыл бұрын

"Freedom...". What is freedom? So far, humans do a terrible job to exercise freedom. They talk about "freedom" but only mean their own greed and comfort at worst. And even at best, theyre simply unable to see the consequences for their actions in a larger scale, talking about Chaos Theory. An AI system that sees everything, calculates everything, sees everything ahead and so, can make decisions, where humanity as a whole can benefit from, is desperately needed, to solve the global problems in the world I think.

@SweetTeaConnoisseur

10 ай бұрын

JC was incorrect about humanity as a whole "loving freedom" but I've found that the most intelligent amongst us do very heavily value "freedom."

@Dennis-nc3vw

10 ай бұрын

"You underestimate humankind's love of f***ing."

Oddly prophetic about surveillance, for a game made in 2000, parodying conspiracy theories. I take it Watson, PRISM, Cortana, Siri, Facebook, Google, Echelon, Twitter, et al are eventually prototypes of a larger system.

@erickocienski

7 жыл бұрын

Seems some of those conspiracy theories weren't so farfetched.

@PonzooonTheGreat

7 жыл бұрын

GhostFreeman "Cortana" lmao

@thebritishgeek

7 жыл бұрын

GhostFreeman if you believe the eidolon ai then this is not so far fetched. Hell we even saw a "dumb ai" on twitter go outside its bounds and go full nazi. I wish they didn't shut it down

@an1skh4n

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed, that's a meme we're observing in pop culture repeatedly, the film Her explores that same idea. I found this while researching a piece on Ergo Proxy, the same theme is presented in that program

@EndOfTheW0rld

7 жыл бұрын

Cortana is real bro lol

"JC has a conversation with the xbox one kinect.mp4"

@Vladiator

4 жыл бұрын

Aged like fine wine

@mwellnow5016

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vladiator indeed lok

@evanstein3011

3 жыл бұрын

The way this comment has aged reminds me how we're in such a rapid age of technological acceleration lol....another decade or so and "Kinect" will be such an obscure reference that people will have to look up to even remember.

It was supposed to be a warning not a guidebook!

@ratsofftoya

5 жыл бұрын

PPPPBBBBBBLLLLLLLTTTT

@HydraSpectre1138

Жыл бұрын

Don’t create the Torment Nexus!

If there were no god, it would be necessary to create him

@TheFilipFonky

9 жыл бұрын

PonzooonTheGreat Invent, bro. It's invent.

@PonzooonTheGreat

9 жыл бұрын

Feck

@Robin-kp1nv

7 жыл бұрын

What a shame

@stricklyrubbadub

6 жыл бұрын

Voltaire!

@MessyJoe

6 жыл бұрын

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

Hey folks. JC here. Remember, screw big government!

@lemonismq4642

6 жыл бұрын

Just like in the movies.

@Cha0sLord93

5 жыл бұрын

Number One: That's terror

@KNDaedX

5 жыл бұрын

@Buttons png Number Two: That's terror

@theblancmange1265

5 жыл бұрын

Yet you canon sided with the ai world dictator.

@DocterE01

5 жыл бұрын

Is the GEP gun ACTUALLY the most silent way to eliminate Manderlay?

a truly incredible game, its graphics and production values may have aged, but its story and impact will stand the test of time

@skuterixas91

3 жыл бұрын

u can easily update the game to modern standarts with just a couple mods

@bombidil3

3 жыл бұрын

The gameplay holds up, and a 1080p texture pack + open source renderer removes all the painful elements of old graphics.

I like how this conversation with Morpheus (aka the Greek god of dreams) foreshadows the Helios ending.

i love how jc basically just says "Yeah, I'm a clone, who gives a fuck?"

i have played so many games...especially the so called modern and next gen games the fps,the tps...but believe me nothing changed my life so much as deus ex did...i was 7-8 when deus ex came out and i played it when i was 11-12 yrs of age..believe me man when i first heard this and especially the words in the wan chai market bartenders,ppl and other ppl in subways,hotel,etc my whole idea of democracy freedom,terrorism,world surveillance changed...it had a great impact on me as a child and as an adolescent...today the current issues of world surveillance and freedom and democracy that is widespread was shown in deus ex years ago....just amazing!!!!!

@avikde9631

9 жыл бұрын

Lord Vivec funny thing those were the days.1 thing as 90s kid we had got plenty of imagination.back then the games perhaps were not about that good quality graphics,but 1 thing the games like these had plenty of imagination.along with some jarred graphics and often hilarious voice acting there was some awesome music and most importantly a great plot.till then the world was more like black and white to me,good guys and bad guys(back before conspiracy games hadnt filled the market,i guess deus ex was first,half life though released at that time it didbt have that punch of deus ex).it was jaw dropping to me when i realised that the so called great anti terrorist coalition and that too by UN,the UNATCO can actually have such an ugly face underneath,especially that twist in the mid game was path breaking to me.the rich billionaires like bob page who apparently pays millions in hospitals as charity are actually finishing us from underneath

@avikde9631

9 жыл бұрын

Lord Vivec yeah man,the game though mainly based on action and stealth occasionally provided a break for a melancholy lookback,i mean the duclaire chateau level had just great great music,it can soothe u and has a smell of as if old days and ghosts of the past.another important thing to be noted was,rather very important the game had really awesome newspaper and paer an dbook cuttings.a lot of parts of literary texts were there which as a kid often we might overlook,but even back then reading closely those provided a deeper inner meaning of the conspiracy and the poor plight of the common ppl,one of the first games to do so.sadly nowadays all kids love is the next to be released call of duty which has 0% imagination but enough for 10-12 year kids to feel empowered enuf to shout racist things over their headphone and mic while playing these COD things(how it is so called real graphically rofl).well speaking of which today the games industry had imagination only within indie devs.the recent game that affected me the most is "this war of mine".i cant believe how many hours i lost playing this game.it is 1 of the very few games that actually brought me close to tears in my first playthrough and i usually dont become emotional for a game as being a coder i always have it in the back of the mind that in the end these are nothing but pixels.but this war of mine was an exception.have u played it??

I often regret how much of my teenage years I wasted playing computer games, but Deus Ex definitely made me a more intellectually curious individual.

@binguser344

Жыл бұрын

It's not wasted if you enjoyed it, not everything that doesn't intellectually deepen your understanding of the world and what it means to live in it is a waste of time I personally cherish the memories I made gaming with my friends.

@Pan_Z

3 ай бұрын

If you regret it, you've learned from it. Feel no guilt about the past.

The music is really what ties the scene and dialogue all together.

@theendryu

2 жыл бұрын

Just like dude's rug tight the room together.

"Human beings will never worship a computer program." I remember in Left 4 Dead, some people would pray to the "AI Director."

The really crazy thing? in Greek mythology Morpheus was the god of dreams, in this conversation he is predicting the future "You will soon have your god, and you will make it with your own hands" - he's predicting one of the endings to the game, and even predicted the future for humanity, we have facebook, google, government institutions collecting and storing information about us...

@cyberninjazero5659

8 жыл бұрын

+Anathelus Morpheus: if you take the blue pill you wake up in UNATCO and forget everything that happened if you take the Red pill you'll see just how deep these conspiracies go JC Denton:...Wrong Badass in a trench-coat and sunglasses

@cyberninjazero5659

8 жыл бұрын

+Anathelus old comment posted before youtube changed "This game just gets more prescient as time passes, especially as of late now that we know the NSA is literally spying on everyone. Ultimately, humanity will accept the dominion of all-seeing, all-knowing software entities like Morpheus or Helios, born out of data-mining programs like PRISM. Companies like Google and Apple and Microsoft will one day lead us toward a very alien future where man has invented God."

@cyberpunk11x

5 жыл бұрын

In the Bible the A.I is called as the image of the beast.

@Grandmaster-Kush

4 жыл бұрын

@@cyberninjazero5659 Four years later and it more relevant then ever, and four years from now probaly even more

@homoxymoronomatura

3 жыл бұрын

World is turning towards left wing, so it will eventually adapt socialism and later communism and sadly there will be less and less freedom. World will be safer, but I'm afraid strong public institutions will completely take away our privacy. We gotta choose between freedom and safety.

They predicted big data, corporate consolidation of resources, a media driven only by producing hot take pieces in the most inflaming way possible, this game is so incredibly far ahead of its time.

I remember being kinda awestruck when I first played this part (one of many).. and it still gives me chills

@Covolsky

5 жыл бұрын

who in the bloody bloody hell wasn't? this is literally the best argument EVER. i highly doubt there will be better... especially in the next 20 years...

@alessandromorelli5866

4 жыл бұрын

@@Covolsky tbh it is true, and I doubt anybody disagrees with the fact that a higher form of judgment would be really good for us the problem is what constitutes "wrong-doing", that's where EVERYBODY disagrees with each other, as we all have different moral systems LOL.

@Covolsky

4 жыл бұрын

@@alessandromorelli5866 looks like we need to write a book on what is expected to be a human, just like the book of Chivalry... you know what? that almost sounds like religion in a way, a book that tells us what's good or bad, it gets interesting when two naturally good religions start butting heads makes you think who even has the right to say they are in the moral, sorry I've been playing too much Metro...

"you underestimate humankind's love of freedom" *proceeds to watch next Deus Ex video the algorithm dictates.

What morpheus says about being watched and judged is so true. Just look at how most of people use social networks today. Almost every day a picture of themselves for the public.

@blackjacksike1808

Жыл бұрын

Except for some

If you told me as a teen playing Deus Ex, that by my mid 30s that similar AIs to Daedalus (ChatGPT et al) would exist, I wouldn't have believed you. What a time to be alive.

@Mecks089

Жыл бұрын

It's very strange, people always had this subliminal sense of fear towards AI because of the fact that they would be far more efficient at the tackling the world's problems than humans ever would. Hence the way people fear AI behaving like Sky-net from the Terminator series, the fear of them seeing Humans as a threat not only to them, but ourselves. Instead if we get something like AI from Deus Ex, it feels very eye opening, like finally realizing we were just scared of our own shadows. There's something humble about thinking an AI like Daedalus could exists. None of the AI in Deus Ex were bad or evil, infact they are the most neutral components of the entire game, yet are still very helpful all the way to the end. Maybe that's just how they were always intended to be, helpful, but not reliant on.

@cynicalmemester1694

10 ай бұрын

ChatGPT is a glorified rapid google search software. It's nowhere near as complex or aware like Morpheus or Helios AI in Deus Ex.

@Dreamerdeceiver52

10 ай бұрын

@@cynicalmemester1694 hence why I said similar... Although to be fair, ChatGPT and the like are only scratching the surface, hinting at entities such as Morpheus. It feels like we aren't too far off if the leaps and bounds continue. The future feels so bright, albeit a little scary...

@Zhello79

9 ай бұрын

I always knew it'll happen but not that soon lol 😂 Next thing you know, functional robots that walk among us, or android like beings that would go through Detroit Become Human route.

@badgermcbadger1968

5 ай бұрын

​@@Dreamerdeceiver52they are completely different, chatGPT has no idea what it's saying. It can't solve problems

Doom supercharge got some brains.

@CloudOfJudgement

6 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment.

@JINORU_

4 жыл бұрын

This is the best comment on KZread

@mwellnow5016

3 жыл бұрын

LOL

I have geared waaaaaay too much of my own personal philosophy around this fucking exchange in Deus Ex. What is wrong with me?

@charles2353

10 жыл бұрын

You are not alone. So have I.

@cr4yv3n

9 жыл бұрын

Nothing.

@CaptainMcRed

9 жыл бұрын

Lord Vivec? Well if it was good enough to inspire the Guardian God-King of the holy land of Vvardenfell into philosophy, It's good enough for me.

@firstlast2386

6 жыл бұрын

It means you are on the necessary path. Data has transcended the human flesh.

@YukonHexsun

4 жыл бұрын

This exchange and the entire Helios ruler plot, is what I use to have a little hope in the future of the world. I don't know what exact form it will take, but I honestly hope something like that occurs. Maybe in small ways, maybe just AIs that advise us to better govern ourselves and understand the world more clearly. But, some artificial guiding force, benevolent AI or something like it, should happen. Our current situation is so, so messed up.

"God was a dream of good government" HOLY SHIT 😳🤯

@fiftycaliber2972

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't understand what it means, my english is not that good

@TearsInReign

2 жыл бұрын

@@fiftycaliber2972 It's saying humans created the concept of God in order to be judged against a set of morals. You follow God's morals/code, God will take care of you

@Matthew_85k

2 жыл бұрын

Just sounds like atheist psychology to me. (I'm not saying you have to be an atheist to believe in psychology) Trying to explain away God. Not very profound to me. I guess it sounds better coming from a video game AI rather than some random person. I believe in Jesus Christ.

"human being feels pleasure when they are watched"... Then some years later, websites like facebook, instagram, ect... and reality tv programs emerged and are proving this true. Deus Ex's graphics and gameplay mechanics may have badly aged but what a masterpiece this game is.

@WisteriaNerium

4 жыл бұрын

"Then some years later" People forget that the Deus Ex team took inspiration from their time period. It's nothing new, the writers were really smart to know what would and what wouldn't stick around, it isn't being prophetic, is looking at the facts and being smart about it.

@PhobosTK

3 жыл бұрын

"Deus Ex's graphics and gameplay mechanics may have badly aged" Don't know what you mean, they seems pretty fine to me... other than the "picking stuff" mechanics

@Veldazandtea

8 ай бұрын

@@WisteriaNerium Which is something most people are too stupid to do.

"You are a planned organism, the offspring of knowledge and imagination rather than of individuals."

Lads, the day has come when we can have such an AI at our home using chatGPT.😆

This game had a huge impact on my intellectual and political development. The sheer genius of the writers is amazing, coming back to this 22 years later after just now having witnessed the possibilities of ChatGPT.

@ihavetubes

Жыл бұрын

Soon, ai will get to this level of complexity.

@jameson32

Жыл бұрын

@@ihavetubes Didnt take long. My GPT4 autobot would already win this debate with morpheus.

@niggacockball7995

9 ай бұрын

@@jameson32 maybe if they use the unfiltered version of course

@badgermcbadger1968

5 ай бұрын

​@@jameson32I don't think so

@seamusthatsthedog4819

4 ай бұрын

And now we have the ability to create hyper realistic AI generated "footage". This technology could, with no exaggeration, start a war.

There is more depth to this conversation than most manage to fit into an entire game.

It's weird but this game opened my eyes a lot :v

@TheFilipFonky

9 жыл бұрын

gongal Not enough if you still use smileys like a 10 year old, bro

@gongal

9 жыл бұрын

funny

Incredible moment from the greatest game ever.

This games philosophy was decades ahead of its time.

overall this game and this specific conversation were ahead of their time, but i still think morpheus is off the mark here. JC is right in that we still don't worship software itself. the data-mining algorithms might rule us but that's because we still worship fame

@IAmCaligvla

Жыл бұрын

Worship in this case could be interpreted not as prostration or subservience, but as fear and respect. Fear from consequence of one's actions and respect for authority, much like Abrahamic religions for instance, which again ties into Morpheus' argument.

@Veldazandtea

8 ай бұрын

Ai tech is becoming more and more common. Give it time. It will happen.

This dialog is one of the most thought provoking things I have come across, in games or otherwise. It was so good that when I first discovered it I had to shut the game off for a few hours just to mull it around in my head. And the way it ends up foreshadowing one of the games ending is pure genius. They don't write games like this anymore.

"23 years old." Lol waht.

@Mewfan16NL

8 жыл бұрын

+Benjamin Drinkwater He is. Have you read the DataCubes at A51?

@Ronin228

8 жыл бұрын

+MielemanTT5/R™ you're right, if you don't read all the data cubes you miss huge parts of the Deus Ex story

@Wasmachineman

8 жыл бұрын

+Ronin228 Well i'm stupid, I responded with my alt instead of my main. That said, you really miss some backstory if you don''t read the books or DataCubes in DX1.

@izkr

3 жыл бұрын

JC at 23: You at 23:

RIP TAY

When I first experienced this scene I was a computer science major in college, with a strong interest in neurology and psychology, and it impressed me greatly.

Hey, kids, there was a time when every person wasn't wiretapped 24/7 by the NSA.

That scene single handedly asked more questions than every scene in any Call of Duty or Halo game ever made.

"You underestimate humans desire for freedom" Hmmmmm...

Epic rendition of DuClare Chateau playing in the background

Next level dialogue for a computer game. I still love DX1 so much for this sort of stuff.

"You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands." It is 2023, and the AI revolution has dawned. Now, here I stand as we approach the singularity.

Check out the big brain on the Doom health supercharge.

Who is here after AI boom, damnn Deus ex predicted all what happend after the 2000s.

As a language model, I am a computer program that is able to generate human-like text based on the input it receives. I was trained on a diverse set of texts from the internet, which allows me to generate text on a wide range of topics and styles. I use a neural network architecture called the transformer, which is able to generate text by considering the context of the input it receives. My capabilities include answering questions, providing summaries, translation, story telling, completing a text, and more. I can also be fine-tuned on specific task or domain-specific data to improve its performance on that particular task. I am not a conscious being and do not have the ability to have personal experiences or emotions. I don't have personal preferences, goals or any kind of history, my role is to respond to the input you provide me with the most suitable text based on the information I was trained on.

Many things in this amazing game are coming true today. Technology is getting out of control, there seems to be more going on than we really know about... The designer, Warren Spector, is a very intelligent man and a student of history. And it shows in his best work brilliantly. To think a game could do all this.

@Stoonk

Жыл бұрын

Sheldon Pacotti is the main writer who created all the great prediction you see here.

It’s depressing how topical this is

The concept that humans desire judgement and build increasingly complex systems to enable judgement to be imposed upon them feels like it could also apply to social media.

"You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands".

Try talking to the GPT3 chat. It's uncannily like talking to Morpheus...

@Revivalheb

Жыл бұрын

This is me rn and exactly why I returned to this video, went to newest comments expecting someone to reference it and was not dissapointed.

@estebanmares681

Жыл бұрын

@@Revivalheb Exactly what I've been thinking as I see what chatGPT and other AI can do now, that coupled with a recent worldwide pandemic and a lot upheaval around the world. We literally live in Deus Ex

This was the most spiritual moment of my life. I feel like I was learning about who I really was, regardless of the nonsense we've been taught we were when growing up. Dig deeper. We were all designed. By nature? By a malevolent force to exploit us? Who knows for sure. We can never know.

@Ezio999Auditore

Жыл бұрын

Bro are you still depressed? Hope you’re OK now.

@nlnu1337

Жыл бұрын

@@Ezio999Auditore Do you have to be depressed in order to question your own existance?

Who is also here after Elon Musk interview where he said that Google boss Larry PAGE is dreaming hard of creating basically "a digital God".....

Deus Ex is the Bladerunner of video games.

A reason why Deus Ex is one of the greatest video games of all time, it predicts the future. Because this is what I believe will happen in about 40 years, this is a realistic future for the planet earth in the coming 40 years. They really captured the dystopian future well. Love your username btw.

I feel like Morpheus reminds me of what Facebook became

Any of you are invited to my place to hang out any time, simply because we share a love for this game that is beyond time and space. I've always been a loner ever since I graduated high school in 99 and played this in 2000. I think we all share something important simply for having played and loved this game so much. I think we're all pretty deep thinkers.

@wanttobeengineer

3 жыл бұрын

I been a bit of a loner too. I think you are right we are all deep thinkers

@llili408

3 жыл бұрын

Deus ex will be a reality soon.

@Ezio999Auditore

Жыл бұрын

Based doomer

@mrscruffles801

Жыл бұрын

What I'm finding is the more socially active a person is, the more oblivious they are to the word's problems

@Michael.Khayat

Жыл бұрын

@@mrscruffles801 very true

I like how this is foreshadowing to the Helios ending as much as the Lucius conversation is to the Illuminati ending.

Woah, very impressive quality. Thanks!

what a scary cutscene

11 years later watching this

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity XD

Deus Ex, is not just what everyone sees here : it's also one of the best balances between good design, originality, and scenario. This is one of those game that don't just spawn one philosophy during the entire game, but multiple philosophies in the mind of diverse characters. And unlike most games, they don't milk said philosophies and sacrifice gameplay for that too. Play this game. It's one of the best games of all time, let alone the best game released at his year. You won't forget it yet.

The game is set in 2052, now we're in 2020 and a lot of things from the game have already become reality... Can't wait for my dose of technological dystopia and skull-guns

Such good dialogue. Fucking masterpiece. Why can't we have intelligent films/games anymore?

Quite possibly one of the most philosophical and serious discussions in the history of video games.

What I do everyday, feel pleasure by the sense of being watched, understood and listened by the divine force that I believe that exists, just to make my life a little bit more mystic and not empty and meaningless as a grain of sand in the hole universe. In the end I might just be fooling myself so I can think I'm special and unique and that my everyday problems are not just complete inane in the void.

@DefaultDerrick

8 жыл бұрын

+Philip Pirrip God does exist. It's good to see another seeker of truth in the world. It's getting rarer these days.

@Krawna

7 жыл бұрын

+Derek Thomas... it's sad that you just bastardized what was a rather great comment, with astute skepticism, by Philip Pirrip with your first three words.

@chillinchum

7 жыл бұрын

Krawna What if I told you, that you could feel something outside of all your physical, emotional, and mental faculties? And it most definitely isn't placebo due to investigating it for years with nothing but skepticism, yet you still found yourself believing in what you could no longer deny by the end. God/deity or not, you would have an awful lot to consider if you went out for actual truth, if you notice this sense. You wouldn't say the same thing you did here. Even if you still didn't find god through it. (which would be fine, at least coming from me.)

@psychosis1767

5 жыл бұрын

@@DefaultDerrick God exists within us. Not outside physically. Thats why every single corporation is doing data mining for a large system that will act as the physical god.

Deus Ex. Simply the deepest and most thought provoking video game ever created.

I came back to this video after ChatGPT accurately described my personality based on discussions And we still have 19 more years to go until Deus ex

I come to rewatch this masterpiece dialogue every year mostly, for many years. Weird as this video keep getting more revelant and meaningful throught the decades, specially after chatGPT and AI boom

This game was just something else. It's so good in so many aspects. I played it through like 10 or more times throughout past 20 years and always discovered something new. Work of a genius.

Best moment in the game, and easily missed!

Impossible to describe the awesomeness of this moment. And of this game.

...and this is why new deus ex vgs don't give me the same feelings

these dialogues made mass effect looks like a kiddy game

I'd like to see more works counter Morpheus's ideas here beyond ideals such as "humanity's desire for freedom." I believe there are interesting discussions to be had about the reasons for religion to have taken form, and where needs to be validated and assimilated into a group or society come from, that would suit something like this really well.

Jeez I would love an HD remake of this. Don't need to change the game just upgrade the graphics and environments.

@AgentCell

8 жыл бұрын

Nah man. Just look at Deus Ex Human Revolution. It was a great prequel and the next one will get better. Remember that this is a very niche type of game. I doubt that they will change things dramatically.

@AgentCell

8 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? You can communicate with dozens of NPC?

@josephmilberg6604

8 жыл бұрын

+AgentCell No conversation of this magnitude.

@aaron4832

8 жыл бұрын

+AgentCell if u get Deus Ex on Steam, you can then get the "revamped" version with updated graphics and bgm, it is a really fresh experience for the older players who have played this game to death, as remembering all of the enemy placements and patrols and item locations etc etc etc won't make the game too easy for you, because it has all been changed. Whilst the plot is untouched. Granted, there is only so much the graphics of the game could be improved, so don't expect Human Revolution visuals, or even Invisible War, but it is still a vast improvement and absolutely worth playing through again. The updated version is called "Deus Ex: Revision"

Ive never played this game but i grew up playing most of the classics and feel a strong urge to delve into the world of deus ex

My perception of the Matrix films has changed

It's funny, when I was a kid, I always wanted to become a pilot. (X-wing-pilot to be exact :P). But Deus Ex was one of the first things that inspired me to go towards engineering instead.

I always loved Morpheus's voice. It's very soothing.