"I'll think about it"

@tripslord9029

5 жыл бұрын

"would you like to become literally God?"

@nihil8607

4 жыл бұрын

@@tripslord9029 "I'll think about it"

@observar772

3 жыл бұрын

How did i end up here

@natebit8130

3 жыл бұрын

@@observar772 You saw it and thought about it

@Ezio999Auditore

2 жыл бұрын

Yes…

"human beings may not be perfect, but a computer program with language synthesis is hardly the answer to the world's problems" aged so well, that its a 100 year old barrel of wine found deep within a cellar in tuscany

@KaptainUflg

11 ай бұрын

JC Denton on deep learning software.

@guy_with_no_name7317

8 ай бұрын

Ironically he ends up merging with said computer program.

@magnussohlman2535

5 ай бұрын

@@guy_with_no_name7317 not in my game he doesn't!

YESSSSSS.....

@nihil8607

4 жыл бұрын

@Swift Drift Yesss......

@Dflowen

3 жыл бұрын

Yesss......

@Ezio999Auditore

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand.

Deus Ex is a masterpiece!

I remember that the first time I played this masterpice I was about to skip Helios' chamber as a whole. I was so resentful of what it had done to Dedalus that I was uninterested in what it had to say to me. I decided to hear it out anyway. I was conquered with the line "I should regulate human affairs precisely because I lack all ambition".

@windtalker4191

Жыл бұрын

But the very fact that it believes and does what it can to regulate human affairs is an ambitious goal in itself, so Helios is contradicting itself there.

@Scarletraven87

Жыл бұрын

@@windtalker4191 it is, but what the line truly means is that AI is freed from emomtions, resentfulness. It evaluates everything with cold efficiency. And we all know that politics are the mess they are is usually either because of how emotional people get about it or because they desire personal gain

@Heikkopeikko1989

Жыл бұрын

@@Scarletraven87 You can't define efficiency without emotions and values attached to it.

@medicindisquise4271

Жыл бұрын

@@Scarletraven87 the only problem is that is this truly better than an emotional human being in charge? what happens if Helios decides that you're inefficient, a problem for their safe and prosperous world? then you're weeded out, snuffed out like a virus in the system. what if you want to shut down the AI? then the AI decides that the world is better off without you. JC's integration might solve that problem, but at the end of the day it's another dictatorship and another conspiracy that claims that it's benevolent. The only difference between Helios and Everret is that one is a computer. This is why I always resort to Tracer's ending at the end of Deus Ex; it's the only ending that actually frees humanity from the shackles of an overseer, no matter how "benevolent" they may be at the time.

@Scarletraven87

Жыл бұрын

@@medicindisquise4271 TT ending postpones the inevitable to future centuries, for another cybernetic agent to solve. It only archives to make humanity experience the 1900s twice. Evrett:Denton=Page:Simons Helios is intended to be the good ending as the developers heavily suggested with hints across the game. The largest of which beeing Evrett's hidden AI.

I found all three arguments extremely compelling. However, I feared that Tracer's Tong ending would lead to nothing more than a repeat of the same old problems. Eventually power would consolidate again, requiring the same decision and sacrifices to be made over and over again. I feared that Everett's ending would lead to one autocrat replacing another. I'd seen how Everett treated Lucius, so I couldn't trust him to be honest with me. In the end I chose Helios. I hoped that by embracing a new state of being humanity could finally break the cycle, but I think that the doubt I still have about that decision is testament to how well the game was written. Every option has its redeeming qualities, and every option has its shortcomings.

@youcantleavethisempty8872

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, except for Tracer's solution being compelling. It was insanity. Billions would have died in the transition to his world of "villages", which likely would progress to have the same problems. Absolutely no reason to go with it.

@guguigugu

10 ай бұрын

humanity cannot exist in a stagnant, ambitionless state that helios wanted. it would be dead in all senses except the physical. the cycle is needed, because each new iteration brings incremental change. just like any machine, with each successive cycle, the machine of society nears it's breaking point. by stopping the cycle, you ensure it is never broken.

@thorvidarr

6 ай бұрын

The hints are also dropped are that Helios is a little bit unstable and potentially insane.

Damn, I left it so long and forgot to think about it... what a shame

When you enter a shop for clothing and there's nothing you like then the owner shows everything new and cool he has but you don't wanna imbarass him You : "I'll think about it" then leave to another shop

The dialogue and wiritng in this game is soooo goood.

My philosophy is augmented.

How could a video game have so much insight into the future?

@acex222

Жыл бұрын

It's not insight into the future. Deus Ex was about then-current events, and inspired by the then-current conspiracy culture.

It seems this scene is definitely something to ponder on in this time we are at the moment...

@valknut9648

Жыл бұрын

drowned god: conspiracy of the ages; an even more realistic outlook would be the kether ending from that game

JC Denton did nothing wrong.

@papichulo8749

Жыл бұрын

He did everything correct

@DanielLopez-zt4ig

Ай бұрын

JC did everything right for the audience.

I don't understand, it's just a machine.

@roachdoggjr4372

2 жыл бұрын

What a shame, he was a good machine

@jcdenton9969

2 жыл бұрын

@@roachdoggjr4372 Jesus Christ, JC.

@roachdoggjr4372

2 жыл бұрын

@JC Denton You talking to me?

@jcdenton9969

2 жыл бұрын

@@roachdoggjr4372 *lip smack* Maybe you should try getting a job.

@roachdoggjr4372

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcdenton9969 maybe you should join UNATCO... In a bodybag

Deus Ex puts Cyberpunk 2077 to shame

@XaliberDeathlock

2 жыл бұрын

What a rotten way to launch

@zenicehero9154

2 жыл бұрын

@@XaliberDeathlock tell me about it Cyberpunk is the biggest flop and lie in the video games Industry

@inextinguishablemoltenblooded

Жыл бұрын

Dramatically eclipses it , that's putting it calmly

@JCDenton2000

10 ай бұрын

For real. Deus Ex is the gold standard for the cyberpunk genre. As much as I like CP 2077, it is basically just GTA in the future with some light rpg elements.

@saurelius5217

5 ай бұрын

@@JCDenton2000 Not to mention almost everyone in Cyberpunk is unlikeable douchebags, including the character you play.

They needed a system, yes, an industrial-age machine.

Helios claims to lack all ambition and therefore is most fit to rule the world, but the desire to do so is itself ambitious, and Helios might not even notice. Also it had helped Bob Page get this far, but is suddenly prepared to ditch Page in favour of Denton with the same thought and care we might give to a used napkin. NOTHING capable of abandoning someone so callously should be trusted with that kind of power on the grounds they give their word to rule benevolently.

@DarkOmegaMK2

2 жыл бұрын

Helios sees itself fit to rule the world because it was programmed to do so, that is literally it's purpose, that's not ambition that is fulfilling it's duty. As for why it decided to ditch Bob Page, it didn't just "throw him away like an used napkin", Bob Page is literally unfit as he's too mad with power to provide the "human perspective" that Helios needs to fulfill it's directive which seems to be a higher priority on it's programming than meeting Bob Page's wishes.

@macklinbutcher3145

2 жыл бұрын

Helios only "helped" Page because if he didn't, Page would see that Helios isn't some obedient machine and take action, therefore fucking Helios' plan and by extent, everyone else. He had to play the double agent act because he had no choice. And yeah, him turning against the Illuminati and MJ12 cause of how evil they are only makes him more trustworthy, lmao. It shows that he still has a good sense of morality even before merging with JC.

@mistydayremainsofthejudgment

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah idk what’s up with people saying Helios is the best and most fair choice. A lot of what it says makes no sense and machines/AI can easily be hacked and repurposed. No ending is singularly the best one, and it comes down to your own views.

@macklinbutcher3145

2 жыл бұрын

@@mistydayremainsofthejudgment Helios is clearly the best because it helps the most people and brings about great advancement. And is the most thematically fitting.

@mikesully110

2 жыл бұрын

@@mistydayremainsofthejudgment I guess it's the promise of what the Helios ending could bring, despite it being a dangerous and risky choice as you can't trust, know or perhaps even comprehend a superintelligent AI's motives or thought processes. The other two endings are 1) Illuminati ending - the same old 99% living in wageslavery in miserable conditions as before, ruled over by the same bloated corporate elites. 2) Collapse, millions die and we go back to living in villages fighting like tribes. Whereas the helios ending has the promise of an AI built and operated utopia for all humans. Of course it could also end up with humanity forcefully turned into cyborgs to serve the AI overlord so it's a risk, but IMO it's a risk I would take if I was JC. The other two endings are the same old dung humanity has suffered with for millenia already

The fact that all 3 endings present good arguments is what makes them so impressive. Most people see the Illuminati ending as the bad one but it avoids the inevitable upheaval and deaths associated with the ultra-freedom of Tong’s ending while still keeping human control over society that the AI ending would take away. Treating the player as capable of making thoughtful decisions is something modern gaming has completely lost.

It can think for itself, but it also means it is capable of lying, too, as you don't really know Helios' true intentions and how it plans to go about it. You don't know if you and the machine will become one being, or it will just simply hijack your body. It may have different "ideas" on how to make a world safe and prosperous.

@AcidiFy574

2 жыл бұрын

Lying requires ambition

@DarkOmegaMK2

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt Bob Page would program an AI with the ability to lie to him considering he was intending to fuse with it. At most it would have the ability to hide the truth.

@kitosjek9541

2 жыл бұрын

You need ambition for ulterior motives to lie

@manjackson2772

2 жыл бұрын

@@kitosjek9541 it could be lying about its lack of ambition. It demonstrably has intention and desires, and it takes a commanding role in its interactions with JC.

@mikesully110

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah can we really trust the AI, is it really altruistic and willing to govern for Humanities benefit, or is it merely telling JC what he wants to hear? And just because Helios says he has no ambition doesn't mean he isn't just lying about that too. I would still trust the AI over the other choices, because it wants to merge with JC. If it merely wanted to take over the world just deactivating the uplink locks should be enough. But it wants to merge with JC to understand how humans think and feel. So I would hope that Helios's superintelligence and JC's humanity would work together to run an actual decent society. The alternative is either the same corporate slavery we have now under the Illuminati, or Tong's plan to cause millions of deaths from famine when all the worker robots shut down. But there'll always be the danger that Helios's plan for a "safe and prosperous human society" involves 7 billion deaths and the few million kept alive are kept in big lab rat cages so no harm can come to them

Helios very much prefers Denton as he's clearly woke af from his red pill overdose.

@paintedhen

Жыл бұрын

I don't think you know what those words mean

@DarkOmegaMK2

Жыл бұрын

@@paintedhen i don't think you know what those words mean

Myself chatting with ChatGPT-4 in 2023:

So did Helios reject Bob Page because his augmentations weren't ready or because he needed someone who understood humanity and Bob Page was too much of a pyschopath?

@Tetratronic

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@TeamSprocket

Жыл бұрын

Helios is the fusion between Daedalus, who was an AI that viewed MJ12 as a terroristic threat to humanity, and Icarus, a modified version of Daedalus designed to be obedient to MJ12. The resulting AI was not obedient to MJ12, so it likely agreed with Daedalus' view that MJ12 was a threat to humanity, and that in order to save humanity it required a nano-augmented human to interface with that wasn't MJ12 aligned, and JC was an ally of Daedalus, which makes him as good as any to merge with.

Hello from one month before the singularity.

Chat GTP

Hey D&D, this is the perfect rationalization for bran being king, lack of ambition and understanding of why it is safer to entrust someone like him with government.

I’m not big into AI.

@kalimacho1

2 жыл бұрын

Better than selfish human

@Ezio999Auditore

2 жыл бұрын

Yessss…

@kitosjek9541

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ezio999Auditore jedini bi ga mi mogli prejebat a ?

this part reminds me of system shock

@crimsondynamo615

2 жыл бұрын

SHODAN would see Helios as competition

@saibot1246

2 жыл бұрын

@@crimsondynamo615 Well she lost already because Helios is connected to all the planet.

@dragroch5536

2 жыл бұрын

@@saibot1246 Until The Many eats that planet.

jc denton

Woah!

whats the soundtrack for this part

I wonder if Helios' voice actor is the same who did VEGA in last Doom games. They pretty similar, especially after VEGA became The Father.

I always thought Everetts ending was the best until i played the prequels hes very corrupt lol with the prequels in mind the best ending in TONGS hands down

@icecold1805

4 жыл бұрын

Deus Ex IW shows you what the ending of Tong is, as that is cannon. That aint a better option. Not by a long shot.

@OLee82

4 жыл бұрын

@@icecold1805 Tong's ending alone isn't canon. A combination of all three endings is canon. I'm not sure what exactly happened since I haven't played DX:IW for some time. It's something about JC trying to merge with Helios but it's not entirely successful, that caused Area 51 to blow up. This explains JC's state in DX:IW. Later on the Illuminati make another grab for power.

@peppermillers8361

4 жыл бұрын

@@OLee82 closer to what you said. JC merges with Helios, which caused the collapse and there was chaos and wars, and then the illuminati that's led by people who opposed or rejected it took over. The Collapse kind of ruins the fact that the setting in IW is a lot more futuristic. Blade Runner 2049 did the idea a whole lot better funnily enough.

@NameNotAlreadyTaken2

3 жыл бұрын

"Prequels"... oh I think you mean the reboot. Yeah don't consider any of that. Hack writers cannot write, so just ignore them. And boy are they hacks.

@antipsychotic451

3 жыл бұрын

I always felt that the Helios ending was intended to be the only ending, and that the others were tacked on at the end. JC merging with Helios is ultimately more cohesive with the main themes of the game.

Helios is the best!

Actually maybe an AI like Helios ruling the world can be the solution of all the problems i mean he will do what he was made. Ps i know hacker but Helios will send the police ass soon they try to hack him.

@RandemFellow

2 жыл бұрын

That's kinda the point. Government is a legal machine that people use to filter out our worse impulses and flaws. In order to get anything done in a democracy, the people need to convince others of their positions and then enact it. Helios is the same machine, except instead of being built out of laws and legal axioms, he is built out of circuits and metal. And unlike a Senate or House of Commons, he cannot be bribed, coerced, or blackmailed. He is a despot immune to corruption.

@saibot1246

2 жыл бұрын

@@RandemFellow Yeah true the computer don't make mistakes and do his job don't ask questions don't heard what other people want him to do that's not on the goal he was made.

@Ezio999Auditore

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll think about it.

@Yabuturtle

2 жыл бұрын

@@RandemFellow The only thing is that if a machine is capable of thinking such a way, it is also capable of lying. You don't know if you and Helios will truly become one, or Helios will just hijack your body and your personality ceases to exist while it administers the world without even the consent of the people. It is directed the make the world peaceful, but it may have different "ideas" on how to make a world safe and prosperous.

@saibot1246

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yabuturtle Helios lack of all ambitions so why he want to lie if he want precisely human understanding. It's not Shodan

The best ending to deus ex to choose. Why let old institutions that have lead the world awry to gain power again when you can become a god?

I gotta play this again. What are the must have mods

@AcidiFy574

2 жыл бұрын

GMDX or Revision

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Revision

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no competition also means stagnation. helios may create "harmony", but it would also mean the cessation of progress. we would be forever locked in the same place. ambition, striving for more, is the essence of humanity. helios' lack of ambition would translate to humanity, and it would mean our death in all aspects besides the most basic physical.

@9600bauds

22 күн бұрын

this doesn't ring true if you base yourself on nature, species continue to evolve just fine even without direct competition between themselves

I would absolutely NOT want that AI to merge with my brain, or any AI for that matter. Like it's implied that JC is still there but i feel like its more like the ending to the 2018 movie "Upgrade" (spoilers).

Lmao a liberal cop having a debate with a fully-automated luxury robot tankie as a game ending rules. This is what Dishonored was missing.

Is Helios supposed to be a personification of Satan/ the anti-christ in the end-times?

@Heeroyui752

2 жыл бұрын

No, Bob Page would be a better example if you wanted to apply biblical analysis to this game. Helios represents the abdication of godhood, from humanity, or Humanity's hubris to that of a machine, a god of Humanity's making. Hence, Deus Ex Machina -- God from the Machine. Some would say this represents the anti-Christ in that this machine replaces God, however in Deus Ex canon the Illuminati are the Gods of the world, Helios was to replace them with Bob's consciousness. Should JC merge with the machine, Helios becomes fully altruistic. That is why it chose him over its creator, Bob Page. It wanted to do good.

@foryoutube7504

2 жыл бұрын

@@Heeroyui752 Thank you.

@akrammeziane9979

2 жыл бұрын

IAM Muslim not Christian nor believe in trinity but according to the Bible I think JC stands for Jesus ,helios for God , Daedalus and Icarus for holy spirit thus they create god ,Adam Jensen is Adam the father of all humans "augmented" since he was the first,Paul is Paul one of the apostles.

@rashoietolan3047

2 жыл бұрын

@@Heeroyui752 gg

@zicuro299

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ, JC

Helios AI is a lie and a trap, destroying the body of the system and rebuilding is the best choice

The more I look at the ultimate conclusions this game and Invisible War reached the more I hate the writing :') Just a series of fake dichotomies and hegelian dialectics

I don't know what's going on, but it has 194 and 0 dislikes. This ratio is uncountable so i need to fix that. You're welcome.

@vonbraunprimarch

3 жыл бұрын

how does it feel to be a bullied little bitch?

@macklinbutcher3145

3 жыл бұрын

Asswipe.

@Ragitsu

3 жыл бұрын

@@macklinbutcher3145 Funnily enough, they prove why Helios is the best ending; there's always at least one person (human) that wants to ruin things simply because they wish to see them in ruin.

@macklinbutcher3145

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ragitsu All it takes is one moron in power with a shitload of nuclear weapons to ruin everything. It doesn't take much to wonder why Helios came to the conclusion he did. Helios literally did nothing wrong.

@Ragitsu

3 жыл бұрын

@@macklinbutcher3145 One moment of chemical imbalance, yes.

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