Jordan Peterson isn’t a believer in large vocabularies lol…he just wants to repeat a fancy word he just learned 36 times in a conversation

"The left historicizes, the right naturalizes" - Michael Brooks

@lisacook8235

29 күн бұрын

That makes natural history enthusiasts of us middle-of-the-roaders, I guess!

@chancewallace47

28 күн бұрын

Still miss his voice, humor, intellect, humility, and genuinely kind and caring nature everyday. Such a person is extremely rare/one of a kind and the kind of person we could really use right now.

Jordan worried about the world turning into Attack on Titan

@lukemadrid5711

Ай бұрын

"One of the things that I am concerned about is the emergence of giants." Dragons, giants? What's next?

Jordo P is such a simpleton. He sees how gov't can get out of control, but not the oligarchy? Based on what?? At least the gov't you have a vote. It's that simple.

Going to a batshit crazy therapist for therapy is one way to get help 😮…bro if you have money, you can afford great therapists that aren’t INSANE

@JStack

Ай бұрын

Destiny talks to Dr K (as real a therapist as destiny will ever view it) and still has just spiraled faster. Therapy can’t overcome 200mg minimum of Adderall a day

I keep thinking of that Simpsons episode where the food scientists are testing some new product. "Pleasing flavour. Some gigantism"

@2:26 I find the main difference between the Left and Right is that the Left thinks in terms of systems; the Right, in terms of people. The Left asks, "What system is causing the problem?" The Right asks, "Who's causing the problem?" The Left asks, "What system should we use?" The Right asks, "Who should be in charge?" From there, each branch out into their various solutions.

@Brettwbeyer14

Ай бұрын

It really boils down to conservatives are realists and believe in adhering to their intuitions. They like social hierachies because it's what they know. They tend to project their outward model of what they think the world should be based on their experiences and intuitions and not soo much through critical thinking. The less educated, less traveled, and the smaller the town they live in the greater chance they are adversarial towards not just government but corporations if they are not employed by one. Educated conservatives may take the view that because there's soo many intricacies in how our society operates, the best concourse is to not tamper with it as it may be to complex to fully grasp and control. Therefore, government is not an efficient method. Liberals on the other hand have greater respect, understanding and dedication towards critical thinking, are more educated and more traveled than average modernday MAGA conservatives. Therefore, they see the world more broadly and understand that their own life anectdotes are not reliable as a prism to view the world through. Liberals from big cities like institutions because through their more broad interactions with society can conceive the need for protections of our civil liberties from entities that have a Monopoly of force who's ability to thrive depends on the satisfaction of the populations they serve.

@Flux_40

Ай бұрын

the right are primitive minded who need to hold onto objective "truths" to feel secure in a knowable realm. they always boil things down to mastery, territory and masculinity, as animals generally do.. primitive ! the left are more sophisticated and open to not being sure of their "place", they are flexible and receptive to new evidence. the left understand that cooperation is better than competition.

@yonaoisme

Ай бұрын

if that's the case, then the right has lost its mind. by your logic, all if the right is autoritarian, seeking to find the best person to be the dictator. i hope you don't actually agree with that

@feruspriest

Ай бұрын

Systems ran, built, managed, and modified byyyy?

@digitalbear1217

Ай бұрын

​@@feruspriestpeople born into and shaped byyyyyy?

11:45 I believe that what you are trying to say here is that Destiny believes the best form for organizing society is some sort of just meritocracy and that, in order for a meritocracy to be just, society must take measures to ensure an individual's sure footed opportunity to enter the meritocracy is allowed.

If we use the terms left and right, then its not that left is sceptical of companies and right the state. Its just the left is more sceptical of "authoterianism" and right "democracy".

Corporations are chartered by the state.

Density vs any leftist: evil werewolf Density vs JP or Ben Shapiro: golden retriever

@E.J.Crunkleton

28 күн бұрын

Naw destiny is trash.

The only reason I'm watching this is to see what you, Victor and Ethan say about it. I don't usually entertain these type of 'debates' in the main as my will to not 'shuffle off this mortal coil' is severely compromised with listening to these two individually let alone together!

@radscorpion8

Ай бұрын

well as you can see their channel is very small so they need to title their videos about people who will draw attention from the youtube algorithm :P.

@paulfletcher3454

Ай бұрын

@@radscorpion8 Oh yes I understand as I said the only reason I'm wating it is because they are.

Gigantism is the tell. It's a vibes informed analysis from JP he sees as a slippery slope into tyranny. Individualists champion vibes. Also, I would not agree with Ben that Destiny is close to JP at all in political orientation.

@E.J.Crunkleton

28 күн бұрын

Aren't they both capitalists?

@Basketballzrgay

28 күн бұрын

Hilarious calling it vibe based when you have no argument. Hope this corner stays dying.

Notice Peterson's summary of Destiny's position has very little overlap with what Destiny actually said. "Liberals support funding welfare with taxes and conservatives are against taxes in favor of charity." "Liberals fear corporations becoming too powerful and conservatives fear governments becoming too powerful." These two positions are far from identical.

New York City schools are not funded differently based on property value, but they are known for being unequal depending on neighborhood.

I was waiting for a single decent argument against JbP or even Destiny. Instead all I got was the quiet part loud at the end...let's just demolish all the small businesses but don't worry we'll have a federal jobs guarantee. Ben was right when he said it's about the type of world you want to live in. I will take the one we've got over Ben's world any day.

Where's the rest?

Conservatives need to define “big government.” What does that measure? The size of the government as measured by spending? Or is it number if federal employees? Is it how intrusive the laws the government enforced are (for instance anti-abortion laws)? Is it all if the above? They need to define it because they don’t even know. And they continually support legislation that intrudes upon the personal lives of citizens, but think that they’re for small government just because they want to do away with entitlement programs. Edit: I guess Ben covered that.

Peterson just rambles on and on...🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷😋

Jordan always worried about dragons, and necromancers, amd now giants? Just write a dnd campaign already and chill on the politics!!

Doesn't JP come from a country with public healthcare (probably becuase Canada has no Pentagon)?

To be fair that girly and manly description of Left Right comparison, does correspond to the predisposition of Left and Right to the use of soft and hard power.

@fromeveryting29

Ай бұрын

But that tells us nothing about the reasons men and women even tend to have different inclinations, if they even do. These things might well be products of socialization, gender expectations. Most of «personality testing» and «evolutionary psychology» is EXTREMELY shoddy «science», speculative and backwards working rationalizations in attempts to naturalize contemporary social orders.

@etchalaco9971

25 күн бұрын

The right is girly, family values, charity, fear of gov

The Israeli Divorce Force

Local taxation should be abolished. It only magnifies existing inequities. 👎

@marcushill7070

Ай бұрын

Explain how

@E.J.Crunkleton

28 күн бұрын

​@@marcushill7070 The representatives in local governments are largely local elites, they give tax breaks to types of businesses they own, and pass laws based on their interests.

Destiny killed my dog

As the world teeters on the edge of nuclear apocalypse I suppose it's just as well to distract ourselves with the banalities of these two pop mediocrities.

Why is Peterson so verbose? Everything he says is so overwrought

@earnthis1

28 күн бұрын

So annoying lolol

I’m sorry but this comment section is emblematic of what is wrong with loud leftists. Ideas like socialism or any variant that is leftist (I don’t care for right wing) are meant to serve humanity. But leftists, particularly those who loudly identify as socialists, tend to want people to be subservient to the ideas. That’s why you have people complain how some people are not perfect socialists therefore should not be allowed to be regarded as leftists. If America adopted wholesale Scandinavian system of government, these socialists would still be calling proponents of a Scandinavian like government as not left enough

@synchronium24

Ай бұрын

"If America adopted wholesale Scandinavian system of government, these socialists would still be calling proponents of a Scandinavian like government as not left enough" That's fine. They can call social democracy not left enough, even though I think they're wrong. "That’s why you have people complain how some people are not perfect socialists therefore should not be allowed to be regarded as leftists." This is the issue.

@christophergreen6595

Ай бұрын

Yes, I would. We need public ownership or things revert to full exploitation. We need massive AGW mitigation projects, which will require significant re-allocation of resources if humanity is to have a viable climate biome going forward. In short, we are fucked.

I would love to support your content but every time destiny opens his mouth I projectile vomit all over the keyboard

@carolyntalbot947

Ай бұрын

That sounds hard, I’m sorry. Maybe the problem is your media diet? Adding some variation is healthy as long as it isn’t disinformation, which is a problem on the far-left used by hostile foreign powers to divide the Democratic voting bloc. Be wary of aligning yourself entirely with leftist personalities whose “brand” requires them to criticize and differentiate themselves from liberals.

@Disentropic1

Ай бұрын

Destiny is only rivaled by Matt Walsh in this department.

@hughquigley5337

Ай бұрын

@@Disentropic1 Ok come on, Destiny is deeply frustrating and stuff but he is very far from Matt Walsh. Matt Walsh and Daily Wire weirdos, and other wacky grifters on the right stoke hatred against minorities for money... its a hell of a lot worse than Destiny (even though I don't like Destiny, personally speaking)

@radscorpion8

Ай бұрын

@@hughquigley5337 lol this channel is for the "far left" (socialists) so of course they will hate Destiny. I don't expect anything different and I doubt Destiny would either. Besides, they are not his target audience. Its the more reasonable middle ground people that can still be swayed, which make up independents and many republicans in the USA, not fringe socialists :P. But I am curious, as a Destiny fan, why you dislike him, since you seem a bit more balanced? :)

@Disentropic1

Ай бұрын

@@hughquigley5337 They're equally top-tier smarmy psychopaths.

I don't think Peterson is really wrong here. This is a correct analysis of the left and right that make up the mainstream parties in the US and Canada. It does fall apart when you go far enough to the extremes, but I think that's very forgivable considering they are not really a major focal point of the discussion. But it all sort of depends on how you classify big government. Is having an EPA big government, or is that a basic requirement? If its the former, then the democratic party isn't for big government but just a baseline, functional state.

@stephendaley266

Ай бұрын

In my experience, people on the Left want to solve huge problems; poverty, inequality, homelessness, lack of education, etc. People on the Right want to ignore these problems or pretend they can't be solved. They would rather have pointless conversations about whether taxation is theft or why 'big' government is bad.

In what universe is this clown Destiny left?

@bennymountain1

Ай бұрын

In any sane universe where people don't ride to work on tanks.

@yonaoisme

Ай бұрын

he is on the left on the american spectrum

@waderinga7662

Ай бұрын

He’s on the left. Wtf is wrong with guys that want a perfect regurgitation of socialist talking points to confirm someone as on the left? You people put ideas above humanity. Ideas should serve humanity not the other way round

@Raydensheraj

Ай бұрын

Destiny is a social democrat with liberal and left leaning ideology. Sorry he isn't communist hyperleft enough for you.... You sound like a fascist by the way.

I really don't want to be associated with Destiny's fascistic neo-utilitarianism, but thanks for trying Ben. It's cool that your definition of a leftist is basically finding a far right religious zealous and comparing them to the bare minimum of neoliberal who can disagree with him. This is a guy who LOST a debate to me on whether or not hegemonies exist and you've amplified his voice like a clueless clout chaser by giving him more credit than he deserves. But I guess you can't win them all, can you?

@radscorpion8

Ай бұрын

oh really do you have a video of you debating Destiny? I'd like to see what you define as winning lol :P. And regarding "winning" or "losing" debates....people always critique Destiny for supporting a toxic debate culture, but here you are showing off that you beat him. Isn't that the wrong attitude to have for people who are seeking knowledge? Its not about winning or losing. If I turned out to be wrong on something I'd be grateful for the opportunity to learn and correct myself. This isn't some gladiatorial arena the point of debates is to better understand the world, its just the wrong perspective entirely.

@bennymountain1

Ай бұрын

Can you please elaborate on what fascistic neo-utilitarianism is and explain it's talking points using Destiny and his rhetoric as an example?

@yonaoisme

Ай бұрын

"everyone to the right of me is a fascist" you're far gone buddy

@ninetailscosmicfox5585

Ай бұрын

I’m always winning by not falling for the idea that he’s a leftist

@ninetailscosmicfox5585

Ай бұрын

@@bennymountain1 Neo-utilitarianism is an obvious portmanteau of neoliberal and utilitarianism. The fascistici angle is that the D man weaponizes normative culture against marginalized groups when the argument suits him. Thus he could easily get logic bro'd into being a fascist so long as it suits his selfish ends. This is WHY he supports a toxic culture and maintains it int he debate sphere.

Do a video shirtless