At minute 14, Peterson correctly points out that the Manifesto was a call for "bloody, violent revolution, and the overthrowing of all existing social structures." This statement is met with cheers by some in the audience. Not grim applause, but cheers, similar to those you'd hear at a sporting event. Even Peterson, who (as a practicing clinical psychologist) is confronted with insanity on a regular basis, was taken aback. Some people relish the opportunity for violence. They think "bloody conflict" will be fun. Either they have never truly experienced horror, and so cannot see why it should be avoided, or they have, but are so blinded by ideology that they would not hesitate to inflict it on their "oppressors". Both possibilities should alarm you.

@2411509igwt

2 жыл бұрын

@@sadbuttrue1187 No, a wage they don't like (ironically due to Government interference in the labour market) is worse than bloody murder. Murder doesn't faze them, freely contracted work does.

@thekalamazookid4481

2 жыл бұрын

They are naive most likely, which is dangerous. If they where given the chance to act on those feeling's, it would be too late before they realized the tremendous wrong they had done. At that point I suspect they would have to rationalize their wrong doing. A sort of bloody cognitive dissonance.

@byronc.9861

2 жыл бұрын

@@thekalamazookid4481 I think they lack an appreciation for the tremendous achievements of western civilization and capitalism. They can only see the faults in the current system. Problems do exist, of course, but incredible progress has been made. To ignore that, and to ignore the horrific failures of every Marxist government that has ever existed, is to ignore reality. It is very easy for them to act without thought for consequences, because they genuinely believe that the current system is Hell on Earth. Naive isn't strong enough of a term. They are delusional. And therefore dangerous.

@thekalamazookid4481

2 жыл бұрын

I agree to a certain extent. I don't want to paint them all with the same brush, however there is definitely a sect of them that are dangerous for this reason. I was thinking more about the average person in the ranks of the leftist/marxist camp if you will, and how a the effects of mob mentality can lead them to a path of absolute horror contrary to their feeling of righteousness.

@isaiahwelch8066

2 жыл бұрын

@@thekalamazookid4481 : I think your post has more to do with blind zealotry than anything. Only someone who blindly follows what they've been indoctrinated to believe, and then gathers those of like mind to form a mob, would be the kind of characteristic you mention. And before I go on, I agree with you, with what you said. I'm merely pointing out the fact that, psychologically, it is a delusion to simply accept and not question. These kinds of behaviors are most often seen in events that transpire between the police and the citizenry, where when a shooting (intentional or not is irrelevant here) resulting in a death, the mob gets formed because of the emotion running rampant among the individuals of the group. And to spite the truth of the matter later, as was shown by the Michael Brown case, the mob still wanted the head of the cop, Darren Wilson, on a pike -- notwithstanding the evidence that came to light that exonerated him. The same was said of Kyke Rittenhouse, when I've run into people that only know what the media reported, and not the whole story. The biggest issue I find today is, to spite the fact we have access to information, there is a severe problem with emotional cognitive dissonance -- that no matter what the facts and evidence shows, or what the science of a given matter is, there are thousands, maybe millions, of people who disregard what the objective science actually says, and still goes with the idea that what they "feel" or "believe" is more important than what objective reality is, and thus, show their cognitive dissonance for what it is. This problem then manifests in political discourse, when the emotional many do things or want things the rational minority know is wrong, or is outright false. In some cases, this even leads to regression, or worse, such as black people assaulting or even killing Asian people, knowing they wont be prosecuted, because of the fear from government not wanting to uphold the Rule of Law, lest they be called "racist." This is why I've been telling people that unless this crap about one group of people _has to be_ racist, while another group _possibly cannot be_ racist, we will not progress, but instead, regress. In some ways, segregation is acceptable again, and I fear that a reverse kind of Jim Crow will take hold, sooner or later, and in the process, MLK's message of judging people not by color of skin, but by content of character, will be lost -- and in the process, this country will internally implode, and ethnic tribalism will completely take over.

"Adopt responsibility for your own well-being, try to put your family together, try to serve your community, try to seek for eternal truth" - Jordan "Red Skull" Peterson, International Super-Villan.

@roguegen5536

3 жыл бұрын

Hail lobster!

@BlueDebut

3 жыл бұрын

Hail lobster

@hitmanekoyslnp8572

3 жыл бұрын

Hail lobster

@Matt-vo1ge

3 жыл бұрын

Marvin the Martian explains why Jeff Bezos is a-okay.

@jennifs6868

3 жыл бұрын

what a bizarre situation he lives!

As a teacher, the speechless frustration Peterson feels when he's actively trying to explain why something is bad and some people are cheering for it is SOOOOOO relatable...

@johnshafer7214

10 ай бұрын

I agree. Many who embraced communism don't understand is it was flawed and they jailed people who disagreed with the government. I know that in theory, everyone is equal with communism but some people thought they were more equal than others. Strange times we are living in.

@adamsmith4813

9 ай бұрын

Have you seen the full video with Zizek's response? I strongly recommend it, a serious debate between 2 intellectual heavyweights

@SandOnToast2598

9 ай бұрын

​@@adamsmith4813can you point me to it?

@adamsmith4813

9 ай бұрын

@@SandOnToast2598 I think it was called capitalism, Marxism and happiness. If you put in Zizek vs Peterston with Sam Harris chairing you should find it. Lengthy but gripping all the way. 2 well composed, calm and thoughtful academics showing how to construct a debate

@jameseverett9037

9 ай бұрын

@@adamsmith4813 Zizek a "heavyweight"? Aw.....I see what you did there.

I'm retiring next month. And I'm a bit nervous about how to keep up with my kids.

@joshualanchester1747

Жыл бұрын

You can venture into crypto trading… and make money. The good thing is. You just need a broker to help you. I'm in and I'm making good money.

@florentinelaura4526

Жыл бұрын

please what do you mean by trade?

@joshualanchester1747

Жыл бұрын

Crypto trading is a digital currency investment that can bring you good profits over time. I would recommend Val J Smith to a real estate agent

@joshualanchester1747

Жыл бұрын

✅Val J Smith ii

@ceciliahilda8763

Жыл бұрын

I started working with him with 10 grand as capital. After a month he made me 45 grand. I was so skeptical and never thought it was legit until I received the win. Then I read more about it and believed. Many people make so much money from Bitcon stocks and the stock market.

"It's absolutely foolish to make the presumption that you can identify someone's moral worth with their economic standing." ~Dr. Jordan Peterson

@hamidkarim4811

3 жыл бұрын

This statement is so self evidently true that it's painful how some people think otherwise.

@alexanderlindsey7134

3 жыл бұрын

I think red skull said that

@JasonManners

3 жыл бұрын

That is so true but politicians teach people with less money to hate people with much more, even if they are great people who worked extremely hard to get it. Rich people are judged quite a bit without knowing them. There are good and bad people in every race, gender, class, or wealth bracket. You have to get to know the individual first, especially in the US where it is very diverse.

@glebperch5725

3 жыл бұрын

@@hamidkarim4811 That's because nobody thinks that. Peterson is attacking a strawman of Marxism to "refute" it.

@TheTopHatCatShow

3 жыл бұрын

Marx literally doesn't make any moralistic assessments in the Communist Manifesto though. The whole point of the Manifesto is that if classes exist in a society and those classes have contradictory economic incentives, then it inevitably lead to social conflict. Jordan Peterson is providing you with a faulty analysis, as usual.

I would love to see a Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell get together.

@ryankrystowski4644

3 жыл бұрын

I would pay a staggering amount of $ to be at that talk

@lorjr6092

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that would be epic

@Valcgo

3 жыл бұрын

I would easily pay $1000 to see that.

@badassdahn654

3 жыл бұрын

Where do I buy tickets! Oh boy I hope it happens

@hensen5309

3 жыл бұрын

Mmm yum I'd like to see that too. Lots of lube and no rubber

Man, when they cheered and applauded the thought of a fierce, bloody revolution sweeping across the land. I was just stunned.

@deutschesvaterlandfankanal

Жыл бұрын

Fuck those murderous bastard

@therightarmofthefreeworld4703

Жыл бұрын

They’ll cheer… and if their “glorious” revolution comes to be, they’ll rape, pillage and murder until, inevitably, it’s decided that they are part of the problem, and it’s them and their family up against the wall.

@redtobertshateshandles

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry, they have a problem..

@damiangriffiths7801

Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is trying to wake us up to how awful these attitudes are. Morally these people are no better than a bunch of white supremacists, in my opinion. However, it's worth bearing in mind that it is unlikely that any of the people who cheer have any influence on anyone beyond their own debating circles.

@dalerobertson3740

Жыл бұрын

There have always been those in humankind who thirst for violence; it is unfortunately a part of human nature, but a disturbing one nonetheless for those who are not that way inclined. There will always be such people unfortunately. The conundrum of those who oppose them has always been to do so without violence. For to retaliate against violence with violence; makes us the same. Such has been the conundrum of all opposition of evil since the dawn of time…

I came across this video a couple of days ago, and I have carefully watched it several times. I was born and raised in Cuba and lived there until I was 29 years old. It really moves me to see so many people (specially young ones) beautifying the ideas exposed by Marx and communism without a clue of what that has meant in society. Not only is Dr. Peterson’s analysis excellent, but for every explanation he provides, I could state a real-life example of what the communist ideas did to my home country. I always ask people to look at the history of countries that have pursued the communist ideas and observe what the outcomes where. Marx was wrong!

@coolioso808

7 ай бұрын

What problems you attribute 'communism' to are problems of living in a monetary-market society, and the 'communism' was state capitalism, whereas USA is more United Corporations of America capitalism - just different flavours of oppression and exploitation within the same base system of monetary-market madness. I don't know if you consider yourself a free thinker or critical thinker and want to know the truth, but if you do the you are free to check out: "Peter Joseph - Critique of Jordan B. Peterson (vs Slavoj Zizek: "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism")" Yes, even the great and powerful Peterson can be rightfully criticized when his has flaws and errors in his views. Peterson is from Canada and probably thinks Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is the biggest dictator, but he never criticizes the big private banks, the corporate rich who control much of the property, wealth and influence legislation in this world game of Monopoly. Somehow he misses the forest for the trees.

@oleksii000

7 ай бұрын

So true, and it makes me terrified that there are people who still believe in that crap. Some people really need to smarten up.

@coolioso808

7 ай бұрын

@@oleksii000 what's your understanding of monetary-market capitalism? Do you think it is sustainable, healthy and just?

@oleksii000

7 ай бұрын

​@@coolioso808 no, I think that it has many flaws and is very far from perfect, but is way closer than any communist attempt in general. And any attemps to recreate that horror is no better than saying "oh well, the slavery/colonisation/monarchy(specifically authoritarian/tyranical systems) were also just misunderstood, why don't we give them another try instead???". Which is what I sadly notice from time to time. Communism is terrible in any means, and listening to those that had a decent/some-what decent life in the soviet union (or any other communist experiment) is no better than asking a relative (that is not even aware that their relative is evil) of a serial killer what they think about their relative. Instead, I'd prefer if people were actually listening to those who lived through the horror so that we would not repeat that.

@coolioso808

7 ай бұрын

@@oleksii000 Okay, well here's the mind blower: The 'horrors' of the economic models you attributed to communism is under a monetary-market base system. Congrats on explaining why monetary-market economics is unsustainable, unjust and unhealthy. Historical 'attempts' at communism is a good word because if you knew the definition of communism it would be a state-less, class-less and money-less society and nothing like what was 'attempted' in Soviet Russia or China or Cuba, etc. Those were all within the same monetary-market system globally, just doing a form of state capitalism where the state controlled the means of production, instead of somewhere like the USA where the big corporations, working with the government (as has always been the case) control the majority of the means of production. You get slavery, colonisation, monarchy and authoritarianism because of the existence of money and the market which requires profit maximization, infinite growth and competitive self-interest. Those elements make all people slaves of different natures. A very small elite are super rich owners, yet in their own way are slaves to the monetary system because they fear losing power and control. Everybody else, 99% and more are in poverty or living paycheck to paycheck and playing a game that most of them cannot win, only suffering can increase in this near zero sum game of Monopoly. All for what? A fake human-created control scheme: Money. Do you know when money was invented? Thousands of years ago! By force, upon the human society at that time, by priest-kings and they used it as a means of enslavement. Technology changed and developed since then to create surplus and meet all human needs, technically speaking. But the system of money and markets remained the system of resource management. Do you see the problem there? It's like using a computer chip from the 1980s in a 2020s Smart Phone, it's going to be out-dated technology and not going to work well. We need system change. We can do that, if people recognize the root problem and start working on building a better system. Starting locally is the best place to start. One Small Town Contributionism-style and in a few year's time, communities can be living in abundance and prosperity, working less than 15 hours a week, happier, healthier and richer than ever before, yet money wouldn't be needed to maintain their 'wealth.' "Health is wealth" will be the new measuring stick.

When he articulates Dostoevsky's theory that if all our needs are satisfied we will create problems he pretty much defines why we are where we are in the US today.

@cornbrains

3 жыл бұрын

What book was that in, Notes From The Underground, maybe? I remember reading Dostoevsky when he laid out that sentiment and I had to put the book down and revel in the genius of the observation.

@diogocastro7048

3 жыл бұрын

The US is as it is today because you have foreign competitors that bought your democrat party and started spouting bullshit to ignite a culture war. It has been effective so far.

@eduardoescalera4045

3 жыл бұрын

@@cornbrains yes it is! That book is one work of art

@eduardoescalera4045

3 жыл бұрын

@@diogocastro7048 I saw an interview with gothix and an older lady who was raised in Maoist China and some of the things she said sadly resembled what we are starting to see. I could be wrong though and I certainly hope I am.

@justincavinder5504

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, there’s no doubt in my mind that this is why we see many issues in our youth, young men, and populace in general. LACK OF PURPOSE, lack of struggle.

When I was a kid I got caught in a rip tide, I was a teen and I knew what to do. You don't swim straight back to the beach, you are just fighting the rip, it wears you out and then carries you out to sea to drown. The thing to do is swim parallel until you are out of the rip, then swim to shore when the tide isn't pulling you out. But your family is on the beach, you can see them right there. Doing the thing I knew was right was so hard, fighting the urge to swim to them was much harder than I thought it would be. You don't "know" where the rip tides edge is, you just have to swim away from safety & the people you love and trust that the rip tide has an edge (they all do) Then you start to angle towards shore, your adrenalin has dumped, your limbs hurt and the beach still seems such a long way off. There was that moment, when my foot touched the sand, just brushed it, but I knew, I KNEW I had reach the shore. Sometimes listening to Jordan Peterson I am reminded of that moment my foot touched the sand.

@wwrbhq7136

3 жыл бұрын

I BELIEVE THAT YOU MEANT TO SAY... 'PERPENDICULAR' (AS OPPOSED TO PARALLEL).

@NicholasA231

3 жыл бұрын

Damn. That's... Nice comment. That's all I've got.

@robertx1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@wwrbhq7136 parallel to shore. I had the same riptide experience once.. was very happy I didn’t panic.

@GrottoGroveGroves

3 жыл бұрын

freedom, love that story.

@ralphtroan

3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful story. . .beautiful parable. . .thanks for sharing that. . .

"Well the people who laugh might do it that way..." Perfect comeback!

It's bone chilling to see a few people in the crowd actually applauding the insane parts of the manifesto

@ChrisBri77on

8 ай бұрын

Remember that most people take in information the first time and treat it as truth even when validly opposed or critiqued. Marxism is extremely surface-level thinking and has no regard for how human beings ACTUALLY behave and makes countless presuppositions regarding the nature of Meaning and Purpose. Fundamentally it’s a brutal regime founded on the notion that you and everyone you love is a tiny inconsequential cog in the machine of bureaucracy, with a nice red ribbon on top that seems to entice Lesbian Poetry Studied majors into revolting against the idea of being paid somewhat honestly for typing on a keyboard 5 days a week.

@slimynaut

8 ай бұрын

Its a cult.

@coolioso808

8 ай бұрын

What insane parts are you talking about? The manifesto is vague, and doesn't give answers to everything, Peterson makes assumptions that are wild, instead of just leaving the vagueness of the manifesto to be vague. I'm not defending Marx, but I'm aware of what he wrote and meaning behind it. What do you think is insane in the manifesto that the crowed cheered?

@KLT47B

7 ай бұрын

People who cheer for Marx and communism have not experienced it. You cannot know good if you don't experience evil. Coming from a former communist country I am flabbergasted by westerners who say that communism was actually not properly implemented. You cannot properly implement something that assumes the result of it is going to be utopia without any empirical evidence to support it. All the empirical evidence we have available in our history shows that anything which remotely resembles communism is doomed to become hell. And my comment is partly a response to the thing who commented right above too. Human beings are flawed, it is impossible to just force human beings to thrive to an outcome impossible to achieve. It is hell. It is torture. Coming from Romania, where all the dictator wanted was for people to be prosperous, to be strong, to be powerful to be connected in eternal brotherhood. Yeah, at the surface everything is perfect, but as you dig deep in the system you find the political prisoners, the people who rat their own children, parents or brothers, the poverty, the suffering.... Everything masked under a courtin of artifical pink. Romania, the country I was born in, suffers from GENRATIONAL TRAUMA because of Marxism. There is not one single empirical evidence which confirms Marxist theory to be applicable in real life. There are tens and tens of cases which empirically destroys Marxism. Ironically, Marxism has destroyed all the nations where that empirical evidence is coming from.

@blunderhappy8962

7 ай бұрын

There's nothing particularly "insane" about the manifesto. You may disagree with it, but to call it "insane" is a bit dramatic. Have you even read it?

“All ideas are probably wrong”. That is the most important lesson you could learn in life.

@devolutioninc

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertnobles8189 That you can boil potatoes to eat it. Yes, that's a good idea.

@siquod

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertnobles8189 I think he means: Every single idea has a high a priori probability of being wrong before it is evaluated.

@voxfan7403

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertnobles8189 Which is what " All ideas are PROBABLY wrong" means (emphasis on the qualifier added).

@voxfan7403

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertnobles8189 Which is what " All ideas are PROBABLY wrong" means (emphasis on the qualifier added).

@capitalm417

2 жыл бұрын

"all ideas are wrong" would just be postmodernism

A socialist will gladly hand you the shirt off their neighbor’s back

@booperdee2

3 жыл бұрын

the perfect reason why socialism doesnt work, they only ever want to redistribute what they have if everyone else is doing it, never making their own sacrifices. they can argue about how fruitless their sacrifice would be in comparison to a billionaire, but it isnt very convincing to just say things and do another thing. Care about the environment? Ride a bike more. Care about educational inequality? put videos about your specialist subject on the internet. many different things that, if done, more people will do, and then you dont even need governmental enforcement since everyone is already doing it

@forgetaboutit1069

3 жыл бұрын

@@booperdee2 I agree; just look at the history of the kibbutz system and its failures. As Jordan Peterson states, socialism has never created wealth. Capitalism has done more to lift people out of poverty than any other system in the history of man. Yes, it’s true, the rich get richer but the poor get richer as well. All boats rise in a high tide.

@forgetaboutit1069

3 жыл бұрын

@HMS Blackprice haha, you communists are funny folks! Nice grammar by the way; clearly you are top shelf. The ad hominem was just the perfect touch to your “logic”! I would counter you but I found arguing with a fool is often useless. “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

@definitelynotcrazyrei3890

3 жыл бұрын

@@forgetaboutit1069 "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." - Matthew 6 : 24

@forgetaboutit1069

3 жыл бұрын

@@definitelynotcrazyrei3890 I’m unsure what you’re implying but isn’t there a passage that says “don’t covet anything that belongs to your neighbor”? As if God isn’t taking care of you that you need to worry about your neighbor? As Thomas Sowell once said “I don’t understand why it’s ‘greed’ to keep the money you have earned, but not ‘greed’ to take someone else’s money”

As a very creative person who grew up without structure, responsibility, or a reason to be other than satisfying myself I was constantly being creatively destructive in order to find the"adventure of a life time" . Very well said.

@dalelerette206

Жыл бұрын

Some philosophers have suggested we create our own monsters in order to claim success when we destroy them. Marx's warped philosophy seems to agree with his narcissistic attitude. Holy structures saved me.

@heidyalfonso6556

Жыл бұрын

Same for me. However, I desire very much to teach my daughter differently and I’m really struggling. It’s really difficult for me to stick to a schedule. Working on it - always an ongoing battle.

@H3H3.podcast

Жыл бұрын

yeah peterson doesnt have enough structure though. what you need is more stucture. JOIN ME IN THE REVOLUTION. we will have marxo-structurism. we dont even need to do shit as long as its structured. if your interested go to hustlers university for a PHD(pimpin hoes degree)

@jameseverett9037

9 ай бұрын

@@heidyalfonso6556 You can teach her about socialism by offering to pay her $10 to clean the bathroom. When she's done, tell her 9 of those $'s will be distributed to the neighbor kids so that we can all feel good about ourselves & each other.

@InaneBlatherPodcast

9 ай бұрын

@@jameseverett9037 when do you teach her about socialism though

9:14 "You don't rise to a position of authority that's reliable in human society by exploiting other people, that's a very unstable means of obtaining power." (laughter) "Well, the people that laugh might do it that way." That was savage.

@toms6147

Жыл бұрын

In the context of class stratifications, which is the context of The Communist Manifesto, an inherent quality shared among bourgeoisie IS exploitation for wealth, and for power as well. To share wealth generated is antithetical to capitalism. Therefore, extracting more and more labor surplus from the proletariat is naturally the outcome of the very class stratifications in capitalist society. Otherwise known as exploitation. This ties back in in Chapter 1 of the manifesto, where “capital obtaining” mechanisms available to the proletariat go through the bourgeoisie. IE - to buy a car to get to work, capital owners will enrich themselves by capitalizing on your loan, the auto maker will make their profit off of your inelastic demand for transportation, to labor for livelihood. Just for you to arrive at work, to labor for the bourgeoisie who are then entitled to your labor surplus. The sweat off your brow. But sure JP, there is no position of power yielded to those who are capital owners 😂 Elon Musk doesn’t exist.

@bleurghs

Жыл бұрын

@@toms6147 "To share wealth generated is antithetical to capitalism" marx has clearly never heard of dividends in his life. And transportation is very elastic people will consider alternative options then owning a car such as trains, bus, walking, biking, taxi'ing. People buy cars regardless because people are willing to spend money to enjoy the CONVENIENCE of owning a automobile. The ability to control the temperature, the destination and the time is why people spend money on automobiles.

@Javiervs258

Жыл бұрын

@@toms6147 Your premise is wrong and you show a very deep ignorance of how economics work, which is a prominent marxist trait. In a free market economy, transactions are agreed upon by the parts according to offer and demand, and the best possible alternative is chosen by each. When a worker chooses to work for an entrepreneur, he offers his labor, while the capitalist offers his means of production. The profit generated is then SHARED among them according to the proportion of value they contribute. This is clearly shown when either labor or capital become scarce (therefore more valuable) in a certain situations, it then tends to be rewarded more (salaries rise or dividends increase), and the opposite too. It is therefore the nature of capitalism to share, as one needs to reach a compromise when transactions can only be voluntary, as in a free market.

@honza2447

Жыл бұрын

@@Javiervs258 I think that the terms like "capitalism" or "communism" are being too generalized. I mean "US 1960's capitalism" differs from "US 2020's capitalism" by a lot. (According to The Guardian, CEO's salary in 1965 was 15 times the salary of an employee. In 2021 it was 351 times.) From what I understand of the Marxist theories, they started with pointing out a legit issue - grossly skewed distribution of wealth - and then suggested a completely unrealistic solution. The world does not need communism. It needs a mechanism to dial back capitalism. Not a clue what that should be, though.

@googlesucks662

Жыл бұрын

@@bleurghs The payment of dividends is your answer. ROFLMAO. Next you will tell us that everyone owns Blackrock and Vanguard and that the MIC it owns doesn't determine US foreign policy.

"Maybe those who laughed would do it that way." Damn, I've never seen a speaker burn a cluster of hecklers so thoroughly.

@billyb4790

Жыл бұрын

and then they cheered at the "bloody revolution part" and we knew he was right.

@LeossJ433

Жыл бұрын

he said you dont rise to a position of authority by exploiting people... doesnt that happen all the time??

@factcheck1776

Жыл бұрын

@@LeossJ433 As he observed, some people do it that way, but the position becomes untenable without considerable oppressive force, as in North Korea. I suspect he meant true and legitimate authority, which is always built on a foundation of service, and results in people being appreciative of leadership.

@fagaspar2007

Жыл бұрын

​ @LeossJ433 He didn't said that it doesn't happens. He said it isn't a stable form of sustained power and historically all the oppresive regimes result in a bloody end for the oppressors. That's not a intelligent form of control to growth.

@gaussminigun7095

Жыл бұрын

@@LeossJ433 authority that isn't properly earned is tyranny

I lost my mother to cancer at 26 and fell into a deep self destructive depression for around 18 months. You helped pull me from the belly of the whale Dr Peterson and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

@scottseabrook149

3 жыл бұрын

P.S. I recently finished the Gulag Archipelago and was pleasantly surprised by your foreword. Solzhenitsyn also mentions a vilification of the police in Russia prior to the revolution which should be ringing alarm bells right now in the west.

@chzbrgr123

3 жыл бұрын

You must have misunderstood him, he's clearly a Nazi with nothing intelligent to say at all

@Freempg

3 жыл бұрын

@@chzbrgr123 Projecting much?

@connilady57

3 жыл бұрын

Thank God....

@gloriousblobber9647

3 жыл бұрын

@@chzbrgr123 Ah yes, the 4 levels of radicalization. Level 1. Jordan Peterson. :p

Human beings weren’t DESIGNED to have everything they ever wanted handed to them. He’s so right about that quote. “They would engage in creative destruction… to have the adventure of their lives.”

@coolioso808

8 ай бұрын

There's a difference between having 'everything someone ever wanted handed to them' (this applies no work or effort or challenges in life to achieve something), which has never been the case ever and is so absurd for Peterson to suggest anybody ever advocated for that and ensuring all humans have access to basic needs so they can attempt to self-acutalize. It's more than technically possible to meet all human needs, but not in the current socio-economic system, which mathematically ends up more like the game Monopoly- which anyone who has played that knows it doesn't end well for most people. There's a fair critique you might be interested in: "Peter Joseph - Critique of Jordan B. Peterson (vs Slavoj Zizek: "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism")"

@Alaric11

8 ай бұрын

Maybe that's what all the rich kids are doing in their woke protests.

@coolioso808

6 ай бұрын

Who said 'everything' should be handed to them? I guess Peterson did, but I haven't heard many people suggest 'EVERYTHING' should be handed to humans for nothing. But let's look at what human needs are, shall we? You know Maslow, right? Not rocket science, but we know human needs food, clean air, water, shelter, love as a basic foundation for survival. Yet, what has become owned by many private corporations or bankers and sold back to the people, if they can pay, for profits? Food, water, shelter, clothing, and even love, in some ways! Our entire basics for life costs money. Yet we have no technical reason for any single human being go without their needs met. The system is structurally inefficient and unsustainable. Money and markets do a terrible job of distributing resources efficiently. 1/4 of all food produced is wasted! Just plain wasted, never touching a human mouth. All the blood, sweat and tears going into that food - GONE. For what? For nothing. You can't tell me humanity cannot create a better social system to distribute resources better. It can be localized, access-oriented, contribution-based, voluntary and widely effective for everybody to live well. One Small Town Contributionism is one of such examples of this starting to work better.

@jeffsmith9420

5 ай бұрын

OK boomer.

@masonkaniszewski2645

5 ай бұрын

@@jeffsmith9420 that better be for the other idiots replying to me, sir

My great grandparents were “kulaks” shipped off to Siberia. Proud to be a second generation American 🇺🇸

I am Japanese and have been watching his videos since January. His acute analysis, broad perspectives and rich vocabulary deeply impress me. Thanks　to his videos, I came to understand the way of thinking of liberals.

@TTTKyouma

3 жыл бұрын

I'm actually moving out of Canada to live in Japan after the japanese government decides to reopen the border. I can't deal living with these liberals anymore. lol

@gg_rider

3 жыл бұрын

@@TTTKyouma FWIW, James Lindsay, ostensibly a part member of the Intellectual Darkweb along with JPB and Weinstein, is an actual Liberal fighting Left Woke-ness and neo-Marxism.

@TTTKyouma

3 жыл бұрын

@@gg_rider i dont give a crap who's fighting who. i want nothing to do with it.

@cloudybeforerain7134

3 жыл бұрын

@@TTTKyouma Good luck.

@balance.j3400

3 жыл бұрын

@@steven5054 You are knowledgeable. Keiji is a great scholar who also learned Zen Buddism, especially philosophy of nothingness. And Daisetsu Suzuki is the one who introduced Zen philosophy to the world. Thank you for mentioning a Japanese philosopher.

Dude he looked so profoundly disturbed when people cheered for “bloody violent revolution”

@rodrigocerrideabreu5215

3 жыл бұрын

So was I, I guess...

@barbarahawkins7864

3 жыл бұрын

And I look that way too!!

@chriswhite2151

3 жыл бұрын

These punks always assume they will be the ones delivering the bloody violence, not receiving it.

@JoyfulUniter

3 жыл бұрын

@Lohkyn "Gender studies degree" lmao. I cannot believe that's actually a thing. Maybe people really are devolving as time goes on and technology replaces our natural capacities, the indians might have been right.

@GeneralProfessor

3 жыл бұрын

No better way to prove the inherent goodness of the proletariat than cheering in support of bloody murder. They want to ridicule the man and defend their ideology but in the end their actions only prove his points, and reveal covert malice underlying the marxist theory.

When I joined a theater group in 1970 guided by Communist principles, it was my first introduction to Communism. And to get with the program, I began reading everything I could get my hands on, mostly what the director and co-director recommended, including Marx’s' 3-volume Das Kapital, and a 3-volume set of Lenin’s work. But I somehow missed reading the basic manual of that movement, its ontological ground, the Communist Manifesto, and when I read it, the phrase “dictatorship of the proletariat" was like being stabbed in the eye and losing the entire vision of Communism having any value at all (it made no sense at all that millions of proletariat could mutually dictate, an absurdity, making it clear it would be one person or a group of persons dictating). And in that disillusionment, a friend recommended I read Albert Camus and Hannah Arendt, which I devoured immediately, and those two freedom lovers freed me from being a willing participant in bringing about yet another tyranny in history.

@No_name860

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for reading and using logic, u like some of the morons in these comments. Some of the comments in here are truly scary. You can tell anyone promoting Marx is clearly a university student being fed propaganda, who think they’re smart. Well guess what, everyone has a degree in 2023 you’re not special.

@SUPERTRANS2024-iy3qh

11 ай бұрын

How did you read a set of Lenin's work and yet somehow fail to grasp the concept of revolutionary vanguardism? Did you skim read his works or were you asleep? Also why is it that you were struck by the term "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the communist manifesto when it mentions this phrase a sum total of zero times whereas Lenin expounds upon it extensively in The State and Revolution, one of the seminal works of Lenin which any set of his works would be incomplete without? I think that you're an absolute charlatan and a bald-faced liar.

@LawSavant

10 ай бұрын

Your depiction of the notion of the dictatorship of the proletariat is askew. This phrase does not denote a customary autocratic dictatorship, but rather, within the realm of Marxist theory, it signifies the transitory collective governance of the laboring class, wherein capitalist structures are dismantled and a newfangled socialist order is established.

@gilcostello3316

10 ай бұрын

@@LawSavant Right or wrong, I simply discerned that behind every proffered "transitory collective governance" is a rabid mind seeking absolute power (the word “dictatorship” was the Freudian slip, the reveal), that rhetorical phrase just a stepping-stone-notion for a rabid mind. It could be another Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini or anyone else in yet another socialist cult of personality. The first time I saw AOC talking the “green new deal” and calling for that first transitioning step of tearing down capitalism (in the making right now), I saw the word “deplorables” quietly drooling from her lips, and Evita dancing around in her head.

@EsoStoicInjun

10 ай бұрын

​@@LawSavantBut just as notion of "bloody violence" was cheered at, are we supposed to forget that that is the underlying method of designating the newfound leadership of the proliteriate? I'm confused, the energy of radicals are the voice that is used to portray any sort of radical movement, at least to the general consensus of the cliche "media". Are you saying it's non violent in anyway? I just watched people cheer for bloody violence lmao

13:57 love his silence. Observed the reaction and wisely chose to keep his thoughts to himself. I believe he discusses his thoughts on this moment later in his interview with Prager and Carolla.

“Useful idiots”. You’ve got to love that term the Communists had for their Western fans.

@listenherejack

2 жыл бұрын

"Political Prostitutes" also had a nice ring to it.

@fellipedasilva99

2 жыл бұрын

If they called them idiots (of which I agree) why wouldn’t they call themselves idiots? And why the term “useful”?

@listenherejack

2 жыл бұрын

@@fellipedasilva99 a "useful idiot" is someone who is convinced to organise for something that is against their interest; i.e revolutionaries who would almost certainly rebel against the communists they brought to power

@busking6292

2 жыл бұрын

@@listenherejack ....and when the 'ueeful idiots' succeed in their 'revolution' they're the first to face the firing squad of the new regime for being troublemakers who have outlived their usefulness....but...but..we helped you get here..yes,thank you..BANG!

@busking6292

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimobrien. Trotsky ?? Stalin's purging of the generals ?? Once dictators gain power paranoia soon follows,ANY imagined threat to their power is extinguished,THEY plotted their rise to power using any tool available and now the 'tools' have to be disposed of in case,heaven forbid, a rival uses them so, fear is now the controlling factor,IOW,the people in Stalin's inner circle had to be very,VERY careful,a whisper,smile,glance at the wrong time or place could easily make you 'disappear'

". . . well, the people who laugh might do it that way." Savage

@jeanetteschulthe1andOnly

3 жыл бұрын

That is because it is true...we have savages alright. it is the ignorant buffoons at the top.

@matsv201

3 жыл бұрын

Yea.. it works very well in the short run.. untill your use fullness run out.

@slicedbacon2861

3 жыл бұрын

@@matsv201 usefulness...as one word, it takes on a whole new meaning...!!

@matsv201

3 жыл бұрын

@@slicedbacon2861 i want to be judge only by a Pear of use full people

@rasmusbjerrum3974

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeanetteschulthe1andOnly ignorant buffons do not exist at the top of a hierarchy. Look up the pareto distribution. The upper echelons of power know exactly what they are doing

A wonderful book to read if you want to "study Marx" is "The Devil And Karl Marx". So few people have actually studied the person who was behind the work. Spoiler: He was a horrible person, who loved dark poetry, in many of his poems there was a woman dying in his arms, and his prose described him watching as the blood left her face, and her eyes went dead - poetry of pure evil. Marx lost at least one of his children to "exposure" because he couldn't keep his house warm enough. He lived off his wife's parents writing hundreds of letters pleading for $$, using the children as leverage. Concerned, and after supporting them for years, his wife's parents sent a maid to help and watch the kids, Marx impregnated her. Marx refused to bathe, was was filthy, covered in boils. His doctor prescribed "bathing". He was convinced that the man one of his daughters married was 1/12th black, so he denigrated his son-in-law, Paul Lafargue, (of Cuban origin) calling him "Negrillo" or "The Gorilla". Both Paul and Marx's daughter committed suicide. Marx had another daughter too, and both that daughter and her husband, also committed suicide... In the insular world of academia, the academic elite pick and choose the finer points of Marxism, and promote it as various forms of justice, equality of outcome, ignoring 150 years of genocidal failure, and completely ignoring the character of it's author from whom all the genocidal ideas originated.

@willnitschke

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter if Marx was a horrible person or he gave ice cream to orphans on Sunday. The only thing that actually matters is he got all his ideas wrong.

@SurrealAdventure

Жыл бұрын

@@willnitschke I think we should always consider the source. When the devil writes a book, even a good book, it going to cause hell.

@willnitschke

Жыл бұрын

@@SurrealAdventure The problem with your claim is you can now argue animal lovers are fascists because Hitler was an animal lover. See how stupid it is to ignore the arguments and focus on who makes them?

@davespanksalot8413

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@willnitschkeWhy is it important that all of Marx’s ideas are wrong?

@willnitschke

7 ай бұрын

@@davespanksalot8413 Because millions of delusional religious nut jobs don't care and want to implement his ideas over and over again. Why do you ask?

I think in Marxism by Thomas Sowell, after he gives his overview of the communist manifesto, he says something like “I prefer to start my critiques by listing the positives, but the manifesto has none.”

I’m not sure the folks who laughed realized how much of the quiet parts of their ideological thinking they said out loud there.

@jaywilley955

2 жыл бұрын

Of course they did. I suggest, that they have not the heart to admit it. They’re to busy trying to….. save the world. Which essentially means, enrich themselves.

@gustavog.r.8960

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaywilley955 this comment is epic.

@alancham4

2 жыл бұрын

Enrich themselves just like a commie.

@SevScout

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaywilley955 You meant, "Save THEIR world"... We aren't part of it, so we're just stealing space by existing.

@SevScout

2 жыл бұрын

The ovation the good professor got for his comeback to the jeering got the point across. That roast was damning.

You know you are up against The Pure Evil when they cheer for bloody revolution.

@sadwingsraging3044

3 жыл бұрын

CHEKA

@bandit6272

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, those people will probably end up on a list somewhere, and will probably deserve it. Cheering bloody revolution....disgusting

@FormerGovernmentHuman

3 жыл бұрын

We will all become pure evil in response.

@jeremytitus9519

3 жыл бұрын

The wordless expression Peterson gives in reply. Encompassing tragedy, disappointment, and perhaps a shade of contempt.

@Zoco.

3 жыл бұрын

Clueless automatons programmed by online blogs

Dr. Peterson, I cannot thank you enough for challenging me to think. I'm not a "political person" in any way. I just believe that "the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness could not overcome it." You help me be a more kind man. Thank you.

@chobin7982

Жыл бұрын

9:14 is wrong. Many people behave like that. Only christians deny this

@coolioso808

8 ай бұрын

You are challenged to 'think about your thinking' as even Peterson referenced, about Carl Jung, by seeing if you can critically think, viewing different view points and coming to your own conclusions. Here's an example: Watch "Peter Joseph - Critique of Jordan B. Peterson (vs Slavoj Zizek: "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism")" and see how you feel and think at the end. Any questions? Disagreements? Agreements? Change of mind?

@victorygarden556

6 ай бұрын

You are political, you just don’t know what statements you say are politics.

He looked ready to cry when they clapped at 'bloody revolution'. He saw and felt the reality of that evil. I wish he would have directly addressed the millions dead because of that but I suspect he didn't want to cry. I get it, Jordan. I saw that evil, too. It was sad and scary but they have not triumphed.

@usdepartmentofthetreasury489

Жыл бұрын

They will never triumph. God will deliver justice sooner rather than later. Communism and socialism are the worst thing that has ever existed

@usdepartmentofthetreasury489

Жыл бұрын

I’m also a communist survivor (from Venezuela)

@boltjet1352

9 ай бұрын

Sometimes it's better to let them expose themselves and just let it sit for a minute

@tyronebiggums5547

9 ай бұрын

​@boltjet1352 facts. "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake"

@50brownbear

8 ай бұрын

@@usdepartmentofthetreasury489 considering venezuala isn't run by communists, i think you're either lying entirely or misinformed about your own country

"The king never has to fight the angry mob. He just has to convince the people holding the pitchforks that the people holding the torches want to take away their pitchforks. The angry mob will fight itself."

@Fopenplop

3 жыл бұрын

Luckily the Russian people had the good sense to kill their king.

@Commander034

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fopenplop The Tsar was removed from power before he was murdered by the communists. The communists overthrew the democratic government inbetween.

@ParallaxView111

3 жыл бұрын

It's more like: Understanding the Political Scenario of INDIA,CANADA,JAPAN,CHINA,USA, FRANCE etc - Amit Sengupta channel KZread won't let me post links, but that's Yuri Bezmenov speaking.

@ParallaxView111

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fopenplop you should find an audio book of Machiavelli's "The Prince." The communist revolution really followed his advice to a T. Like kill the current rulers of the land you conquer, so they will never come back power. The more divers and conflicted a group of people are, the easier they are top conquer. Another Machiavelli tip.

@Mr196710

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fopenplop The Czar did NOT fund the Bolshevik "Revolution". Why would he fund his own demise?!

9:20 "Well the people that laugh might do it that way" 10/10 Comeback

@Sheikah_Architect

3 жыл бұрын

Well said after the co-founder of BLM was caught buying mansions.

@NFT2

3 жыл бұрын

There were a handful of meatsticks in the audience and it was funny to see Dr. Peterson clap back a bit. I was there and I found some of the "socialists" (all of them in the cheap seats) quite rude.

@gunnar6674

3 жыл бұрын

Same people who couldn't contain their glee when Peterson mentioned violent revolution. Those people want all of us dead or in chains, and they're not too subtle about it.

@Undomaranel

3 жыл бұрын

@@NFT2 Always sad when the naysayers ruin it for everyone. If you disagree and you're going to attend anyway at least listen so you know what you're opposing. Being a jerkwad just makes you a jerkwad and your cause/opinions as jerkwadish.

@rclaws3230

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinzarathustra8604 Ooooh, ad hominen nonsense. Come back with specifics.

Clarity in a nutshell. Dr.P.. is able to boil down such complex problems into simple, digestible bites.We are blessed to have this man’s intellect be a voice among us.

Taking that idea of using identity politics to put all good on one side and all evil on the other, you can then create intersectionality, whereby on one day a certain group or person is all evil, and then, using intersectionality, you can weave through all the intersections and the next day that group or person is all good. You can create the world at any given moment in which you win every time.

@GreatBonFire

Жыл бұрын

But who’s good and who’s bad!? We all will be on the evil side I guess!? Who is it that’ll wave us though? God?

@joelclifton6312

Жыл бұрын

@@GreatBonFire Wut?

@johnnycash2254

Жыл бұрын

What u smoking homes?

@therightarmofthefreeworld4703

Жыл бұрын

True. That’s why Marxists today set the bar so low for calling someone a Nazi or fascist. It means they can put those labels on anyone they disagree with, instantly marking said person as the epitome of evil, and thus an enemy who needs to be destroyed.

9:30 "well the people that laugh might do it that way" is the most underrated comment, my word. the depth in that one statement is scary true about the nature of man, especially a broken man.

@wireycoyote3544

2 жыл бұрын

*infinite mic drop*

@mikec555555

2 жыл бұрын

I think the laugh had nothing to do with what was said. Probably something in the audience was going on that we couldn't see.

@sitarnut

2 жыл бұрын

It's all in the Bible...even the way things are going for mankind is pure prophecy. It's a good read.

@keatsiannightingale2025

2 жыл бұрын

@@sitarnut Amos was a Communist. Change my mind.

@diogofs25

2 жыл бұрын

It is incredibly scary. People that laugh at the pursuit of truth, seeking power, masked behind a flawed moral agenda and worst of all, influencing more and more ingenuous people around them.

“The only pain greater than the pain of inequality is the pain of forced equality” -Red Skull

@mr555harv

3 жыл бұрын

Mao Zedong should have learned this dictum.

@harvestblades

3 жыл бұрын

I need this on a t shirt!

@rustyshackleford3487

3 жыл бұрын

Hail lobster.

@nativeamerican7424

3 жыл бұрын

@@rustyshackleford3487 learn how the aggressors took over your mind communist subversion communist rules of revolution antifa hand book blm brain washing Confucius institutes ❗❗❗

@balauruldeaur1271

3 жыл бұрын

like we all "have" to be vaccinated, so we have all "equal" treatment? Maybe we are all forced by the "scientists" to accept their only method of health care.

The people cheering about violent revolution are the same people crying about hurt feelings when someone says something they don’t like 😂

@willnitschke

Жыл бұрын

Perfect.

Two observations: 1. Beware of people offering simple solutions to complex problems. 2. Avoid like the plague anyone promoting a utopian scheme, because literally ALL utopian schemes involve a long swim across a sea of blood.

I read The Gulag Archipelago because of Jordan. If that book doesn't scare the shit out of you then something is wrong.

@sebji9581

3 жыл бұрын

It's very sad that you believe in this fiction.

@malte4984

3 жыл бұрын

@@sebji9581 wait what

@jayhutzler6706

3 жыл бұрын

@@sebji9581 The gulag Archipelago isn't fiction like 1984. It's a series of stories and political essays from the perspective of someone who survived the gulags

@sebji9581

3 жыл бұрын

@@jayhutzler6706 Sure, but his claims are based on rumours told by the prisoners and his own fantasy. There are no sources to prove this.

@historyandhorseplaying7374

3 жыл бұрын

@@sebji9581 Ok Putin, anything you say comrade

"It's absolutely foolish to make the presumption that you can identify someone's moral worth with their economic standing."

@Newton14alan

3 жыл бұрын

Is that supposed to be brilliant? It's also "absolutely foolish to make the presumption that you can" read someone's mind. So what? It doesn't any more disprove that someone's (let's say, "high") economic standing is the result of being a greedy bastard who could care less about Those people whom he tramples on to gain his massive wealth. If all Peterson is trying to do is play the devil's advocate, then fine. But, if his conjectures are meant to seriously justify Capitalism's stranglehold on The American Worker, he isn't making an enormous amount of headway.

@AbaddonTheDestroyer

3 жыл бұрын

@@Newton14alan You dont hold a candle to this man, hence shut your trap.

@nforne

3 жыл бұрын

@@Newton14alan Peterson's comment works both ways. The rich have neither moral guilt nor moral virtue by dint of their wealth alone.

@Newton14alan

3 жыл бұрын

@@AbaddonTheDestroyer --- I own a lot of candles, and can see him just fine. BTW, have you attended any anger management programs lately...or do you just "rage" on everyone you disagree with?

@Newton14alan

3 жыл бұрын

@@nforne --- Exactly...and that was my point...although I think that you voiced the thought more concisely (and a little less snide) than I did. Thanks.

I loved every moment. It's so rare to listen to someone speaking so crystal in the lesser world.

An old Soviet saying: We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us...

@BrainSoap

3 жыл бұрын

This is an example of Schrodinger's Communist - simultaneously lazy and fat off the government, while also ruthlessly exploited by an uncaring totalitarian system. If a worker didn't work hard enough, they could be fired. If they didn't find a new job, they'd be arrested and sent to a labor camp. The saying should be more like "We're required to work whenever and however they want us to, and they pretend to have goods and services for us to buy."

@mytech6779

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrainSoap Who are you arguing against? The saying came from within the USSR.

@historyandhorseplaying7374

3 жыл бұрын

In America, you find the party. In Rasha, Party find YOU.

@ElenaKomleva

3 жыл бұрын

And in the west they pay you, but squeeze all the time and energy out of you, so you don't get the time OR energy to spend all this money.

@historyandhorseplaying7374

3 жыл бұрын

@@ElenaKomleva Speak for yourself! I take 2 vacations a year, a nice house, and I spend a lot of my money and energy on my children.

I loved the moment at 13:58 where a few people whooped and cheered for "bloody violent revolution", and Jordan just stood there and looked at them for a solid 16 seconds.

@tunebeat3809

2 жыл бұрын

That alone would have freaked me out.

@gunmonkey1185

2 жыл бұрын

You know you are doing it wrong when speaker stopped speaking at gave you THAT looks.

@andrewbayram765

2 жыл бұрын

All those that whooped at bloody revolution haven't listened. They would themselves all be on an oppressor list just for sitting in that lecture and being at that university

@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewbayram765 Idiots like that painting walls with their brains is the only possible upside of a communist revolution I can think of.

@TheInfinitlyProlonged

2 жыл бұрын

The same people whooping for a revolution, are the same ones that want the government to take away anything that could achieve that. They're not just ignorant, they are full on, completely useless, walking meat sacks of pure stupidity.

23:09 the fall of the eldar in warhammer 40k is one of my favorite parts of 40k lore as its about how a post scarcity socity with the ability to modify reality on a whim falls, as the mental backlash of there depravity rips a hole in reality.

@Cyborg_Lenin

Жыл бұрын

You know. Its a fantasy game. And Eldar are specifically NOT people.

@luigimrlgaming9484

Жыл бұрын

@@Cyborg_Lenin *Space* Fantasy

@Noctazar

4 ай бұрын

​@@Cyborg_Lenin So what? The point still stands.

"It also produces wealth - AND ALL THE OTHER SYSTEMS DON'T. THEY JUST PRODUCE INEQUALITY!" He is, without a shadow of doubt, the single most articulate and precise thinkers and speakers of the generation. Nobody proves a point like JBP.

@novinceinhosic3531

8 ай бұрын

The statement is completely incoherent by reasons and misses the point. He's claiming that nothing can produce unless you have a small number of rich people and a great number of sarving ones. This is not the point since inequality is not at all linked with production so to make the apologia of inequality by saying "oh, but we at least produce something" misses the point of who decides what is to be produced and to whom it shall be distributed in exchange of what.

@NewPraetorianBlues

8 ай бұрын

@@novinceinhosic3531 So you're telling me that you mined the Quartzite, Hafnium, Copper, Gold, etc., performed all necessary chemical operations to stabilize materials, used those materials and fabricated wafers, etched the transistors and fully processed beginning to end every single microchip in the device your using? Did you write the code too? Did you even assemble it? Do you not exist in a world surrounded by the comfort of the capital you've gained by working for it? And furthermore, do the people who realistically and actually do all those things not deserve maybe a little more money than you because you can't do it?

@novinceinhosic3531

8 ай бұрын

@@NewPraetorianBlues How is this even related to the topic? They never deserved to get more money just because "they can do stuff", we conduct a trade from equal position. They exchange their bought materials + their labour in exchange of my money or something of equal price. Neither me, nor Peterson talked about trade of commodities. In fact you don't get rich by merely trading (unless you are a speculator), but by producing value. If they simply shipped me the raw materials without their labour imputs, they could make 0 money, only the transporter would make something because he actually does something useful for my consumption. My x amoung of labour is traded with their y amont of labour, nothing more and nothing less. The differences are made based on labour market competition whethere there is a higher demand for a certain kind of labour, that is exchanges against more of the quantity of other lower prieced labour. This is all on equal grounds and produces little to no inequality despite some may earn more money than me in the same amount of time. On the flipside, this does not apply to those to charge interests for loans or cash-in dividends via employing labour or charging rents. They have little do do with production in itself, they just tax people for their ability to produce and trade the fruits of their labour. This is what causes inequality, not Bill Gates having the ability to code better than other software devs, but his ability to employ propertiless devs to work for him in exchange for wages which are lower than the price with which he sells, post-material cost, their services with which he accumulates more capital without contributing to the production process of the services or programs at all, not even directing the sales or managing anything, since he has paid manages to do that for him anyway. Also you seem to make a confusion between capital and commodities. Commodities have a usage of being consumed or sold against other commodities, capital is something that employs labour against wages. Peterson's point is that production is impossible without this form of "taxing" represented by profit for the banks, landlords or shareholders as in the claim "that inequality is not unique to capitalism" (thing which is partially true) and that capitalism, by the mere virtue of being a "productive system", is exploitative and produces inequality (by this he implies that production necessitates exploitation and inequality, which is not true). Prehistorical forms of production and most of the early antiquity was based on production which did not produce such a levels of social inequality or exploitation and socialist production has produced tons of industrial and agricultural goods without employing exploitation and preserving a certain level of social equality. By his logic Peterson should not have a problem with slavery and feudalism, since they too are productive systems which bring about inequality and severe exploitation.

I've owned my own business for 20 years. Jordan is absolutely correct. You have to treat your employees well so they'll treat you well. Management and Labor is a symbiotic relationship.

@matthewdunham5235

3 жыл бұрын

Small business yes. Once you have enough money to hire people smarter than you to run your business, or if you own a monopoly on an industry, then there’s no difference from those robber barons to the feudal lords he was talking about. Third generational wealth is a major component of what’s destroying the economy in the US. Grandfathers smart enough to open a business giving their obscene wealth to grandkids who don’t understand how they got it but have too much to ever lose it.

@goblin6587

3 жыл бұрын

Amazon workers peeing in bottles: A yes, this is symbiotic

@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053

3 жыл бұрын

@@goblin6587 go start your own business if it's so fucking easy

@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053

3 жыл бұрын

@@traveler3137 you took the words out of my mouth, sir. My sister works for Amazon and she says the high turnover is costing the company a ton of money. They're going to have pay much better than $15/hour to get people to power walk marathons everyday for 13 hours.

@ptroinks

3 жыл бұрын

@@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053 He/she never said it was easy to start a business. Do you actually mean that it's so difficult for Amazon to stay in business that they have to make their employees pee in bottles to make ends meet?

I love how you can tell the people who don't understand what he is saying because they cheer at things that are stupid and he gives them the look of disappointment.

@amyness3452

3 жыл бұрын

@@cryptoprofit278 Fake account everyone.

@baigandinel7956

3 жыл бұрын

Oh some of them understand. You give them too much credit.

@kylewright7556

3 жыл бұрын

@@amyness3452 I'd like to think that he just is super into investing lmao

@rclaws3230

3 жыл бұрын

@historypoliticsbb So counter his points, don't cry "misrepresentation" and expect anyone to care.

@booperdee2

3 жыл бұрын

@historypoliticsbb if those 8 pages are based on false premises then theres no use to reading the next 1000. if your entire ideology is based on the grass being red, if i disprove grass is red then theres nothing else to talk about.

Excellent presentation and content ! Thank you ! * Class stratification *

The laughter proves Dostoevsky right. Well fed educated people who just can't wait to burn things down. Not out of love of the poor but hatred of the rich and first world boredom.

Listening to those goons trying to disrupt his message by fake laughter reminded me of this “We live in times where smart people are silenced so that stupid people wont be offended”

@83169

3 жыл бұрын

Comments like this remind me of a quote by Leo Aikman: "You can tell more about a man from what he says about others, than from what others say about him."

@2FadeMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@dfasht I know right poor jordan peterson is soooooo censored with his 3 million subscribers. Conservatives are soooo oppressed ;( ;( ;(

@deepfriedsammich

3 жыл бұрын

@@2FadeMusic If they are not, it is not from lack of trying.

@2FadeMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@deepfriedsammich yeah i think conservatives should be censored since conservative ideology is nothing but pure brain rot fueled by hatred and fear

@2FadeMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasatkinson9452 ok

“If you don't have a strategy, you're part of someone else's strategy. ” ― Alvin Toffler

@kobked-x

3 жыл бұрын

Only evil people have Plans, good people don't need plans as they are good and never need an exit strategy ~ Lee Camp

@datukaruma1563

3 жыл бұрын

@@kobked-x Strategy = exit strategy, wtf are you talking about?

@doloreschansey9556

3 жыл бұрын

To an extent, but even people with plans of their own can still be used by others.

@porothashawarma2339

3 жыл бұрын

@@doloreschansey9556 this . You are intelligent my friend .

@bigjoe8420

3 жыл бұрын

@@doloreschansey9556 sometimes you have to knowingly let yourself be used to achieve something more important.

Dr. Peterson is blessing incarnate for the rest of us.

This was unexpectedly funny in the true JP way. But a good analysis too! Yes, Marx was most definitely a narcissist.

Peterson: Stops to think Identity Politicians: "He has nothing to say if there's no sound bite" Peterson: Proceeds to say more meaningful words in half a minute than they say in lifelong careers

@flamingo9022

3 жыл бұрын

he clearly hasnt read marx closely. hes become a caricature of himself.

@HamhockandHemorrhoids

3 жыл бұрын

@@flamingo9022 he was underprepared for this portion. Zizek was loaded well, but JP should have read kapitol. I hate Marxism, but it is a lot more than just a pamphlet

@promalevendetta5397

3 жыл бұрын

Peterson Cultists are needy.

@lonniewilkerson5137

3 жыл бұрын

@@flamingo9022 marxism is evil whitewashed balel.

@66338nt

3 жыл бұрын

Without a written speech, Obummer says “Uh, um” so many times you want to fall asleep.

Thank you so much, Dr. Peterson. The west needs you and people like you. The whole world needs people like you. We all hope you're continuing to do well!

@baturaltok1922

3 жыл бұрын

you are been sarcastic isn't it? I don't think west needs someone to attack communist manifesto.. it is dead already in west.

@UmBungo

3 жыл бұрын

@@baturaltok1922 are you serious? 😳 There are people literally protesting for it every other week, and universities are riddled with communists. Then there are the BLM leaders who are trained Marxists... buying million-dollar homes 😂

@charlesjohnson9879

3 жыл бұрын

@@baturaltok1922 Well, no. That's the problem. We have BLM and Antifa fomenting violent revolution here in the USA, and communists have successfully infiltrated and have effectively captured major institutions such as academia, the press, and even the Democratic Party.

@jamesstuart3313

3 жыл бұрын

@@baturaltok1922 i bet your hate watching

@badutbadut2309

3 жыл бұрын

LOL! You can see/watch them (communists) for all you care here in YT.

I remember Zizec admonishing the audience at some point in this debate. Well deserved too, something along the lines of: this is not proper behavior when talking and analizing ideas.

Check the sadness in his eyes. He deeply knows where all this is leading us..

@everythingintheuniverse8962

2 ай бұрын

The proletariat does not care for this Xanax addicted bozo

"It's not about helping the poor but hating the rich." In that context, the manifesto starts to make some sense.

@user-gk9pl6vl5v

2 жыл бұрын

"Hating the rich" - sounds pretty based, they don't deserve love even from their mothers

@ppstealer4656

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm I don't think you have even read the manifesto :pepethonk:

@JPqbss

2 жыл бұрын

@@ppstealer4656 it’s not entirely accurate, but the manifesto is definitely more “fuck the rich” than it is “help the poor”

@lavoxii

2 жыл бұрын

Communist China has done exactly the thing, “F* the rich and poor, but help themselves to get rich.”

@user-co3uc8vt7e

2 жыл бұрын

Guess who is to blame for poverty, huh?

"You either know nothing about how a business actually works or you refuse to know how a business works"~17.00 As a business owner, I must say that is a brilliantly true statement

@ExistentialWill

3 жыл бұрын

But capitalist business doesn't work

@Mac-hr9rg

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExistentialWill apparently neither does birth control.

@SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinzarathustra8604 implying that great wealth is preferable to ethical treatment

@vanguard6937

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExistentialWill which is funny, because everything that has allowed you to say that is due to capitalist businesses

@truxton1000

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExistentialWill Capitalism has created the best countries in the world, and communism has created some of the absolute worst. Go figure.

Not that I identify as a troll, but… one can’t help but noticing that most of the negative comments inherent in these threads tend to assault JBP as a Person rather than critique the quality of his Ideas; and this, of course, is part and parcel of the urge to identify politics that has skewered most rational discourse. A pity - those who have a proclivity toward predetermined thought and bias are robbing themselves the ability to reflect upon viewpoints worthy of consideration, much less offer intelligent opposition that is free of low-resolution ideology.

@willnitschke

Жыл бұрын

Well what did you expect when the stupid try to criticise the intelligent?

I think Frank Zappa said something about "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff."

Coming from ex Soviet Union I agree with everything he said! Absolutely brilliant thinker!

@Cabbage_math

2 жыл бұрын

Because you have human decency

@pyotrbagration2438

2 жыл бұрын

You know Zizek destroyed him during the debate do you? Poor JP went into a coma afterwards.

@lanahere3209

2 жыл бұрын

@@pyotrbagration2438 It’s a shame! People should be worn about the dangers of communism. It is very human on the surface but leads to totalitarian oppression of people . The rich and powerful will rule . If you think capitalism is unfair try living in China.

@peperuiz9264

2 жыл бұрын

@@pyotrbagration2438 you are pathetic. Zizek struggles to put two thoughts together in his own language, let alone English. Makes as much sense as the dude living under the bridge near my house, and drinks as much as him.

@happydog4862

2 жыл бұрын

@@pyotrbagration2438 stinks.

“Almost all ideas are wrong.” -JP These quotes just get better and better.

@CloudWithoutASky

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of them are. Most of them have been wrong. Particularly in history. It's a lot like hypotheses in science. We test out ideas over and over until we get onto something that works.

@im9550

3 жыл бұрын

@@CloudWithoutASky indeed, I took a class in symbolic logic and we learned about truth tables. For a statement to be true every element of the logic has to be true and there can be absolutely no contradictions. One mistake is all it takes to invalidate a statement.

@Brandonthesnifferofall

3 жыл бұрын

The truth is that most ideas are wrong, it takes all kinds and not all are capable of leading groups of people. It does seem clear historically that marxism/communism is the worst idea. The ussr and China prove it. Look at modern China, do you want to live there? Forced “retraining camps”, soldiers sleeping in the beds of men at the camps to make sure they’re following party lines? Forced organ harvesting? All while the left ignores it, why would we as a country do business with anyone putting people in labor camps/organ harvesting? Let alone holding ppe and drugs from us in an emergency. But Biden is apart of the generation that has caused all of this, the 1993 crime bill (mandatory minimums), farming out the United States middle class and sending all their tooling to China for cheaper labor. Look at flint Michigan in the 80’s, then look at its current state. We’re in this position because politicians care more about lining their own pockets then they care about the American people of what we stand for. We need mandatory minimums, at least to squash some of the corruption. Wake up America, your rights are at stake 🇺🇸

@chewacan

3 жыл бұрын

@@im9550 So some arguments are more valid than others? I mean which argument is better if two or more arguments are invalid? Perhaps the most advantageous for your purposes.

@chewacan

3 жыл бұрын

@Lucas Brito The old rock and the hard place. Peterson said life was naturally harsh and we are built for trouble. What's cool is life has never been better for most people in terms of leisure and convenience. Yet people bitch a lot.

2:00 This is is tremendous as a litmus test for ideas. I have done this for years, but now I will have Dr. Peterson's voice in my head as I do so.

What can be said is that if the majority of people were to be genuinely courteous and loving to others the structure of the system becomes less important.

"Once you divide people into groups and pit them against one another, it's very easy to assume that all the evil in the world can be attributed to one group and all the good to the other." -JP

@mdaniels6311

Жыл бұрын

Capitalism doesn't demand that all of us are in a competition?

@MikeyFFA500

Жыл бұрын

@@mdaniels6311 Nope

@blobboflava

Жыл бұрын

Great quote and on the spot about polarisation of society nowadays.

@CWHolleman

Жыл бұрын

@@mdaniels6311 Individual competition based on personal merit vs class/societal group based competition based solely on occupation of said group are entirely different. Keep thinking, you might get there one day.

@johnorson6907

Жыл бұрын

@@mdaniels6311 would you really like to live in a world without competition? Competition is the reason for every advancement that has protected us from the brutality of nature. The real world is no place for idealism

when they turn moderate speakers who try to advocate for a more peaceful society into super villains

@ramonbril

3 жыл бұрын

Because they have no rebuttal, only selfish anger and childish hatred.

@MarekUtd

3 жыл бұрын

HAIL HYDRA...I MEAN LOBSTER.

@pederhalvorsen2289

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarekUtd dang it!! You beat me to it!! 😄😄👍👍

@actionjksn

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarekUtd What does that mean?

@2based548

3 жыл бұрын

Yea we don’t like their ideas so Nazi is the only title that’s universally available

We need the transactional view to maintain society, but one of the more pressing this is that he conflate class conscious struggle against hierarchy and historical struggle.

A solid, knowledgeable and articulate voice of reason for times bordering on increasing doses of insanity, depravity and poverty.

@coolioso808

6 ай бұрын

Capitalism demands poverty. Monetary-market economics, overall, ensures poverty and class division. This is not a sustainable system. How do you propose we get out of this unsustainable monetary-market system of extreme inequality and exploitation?

@alexanderhorvat4836

6 ай бұрын

@@coolioso808 THX for the question and not the usual hateful commentary. The fact that poverty has existed at various levels for all time is not necessarily a reflection of any economic system. People can make poor choices, that alcohol or drug for the three day high versus doing something constructive to make money for example. Poor choice, your income will be effected in all kinds of bad ways. Unfortunately, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism are all systems that offer even less in addressing any so called income inequality and what the propagandists call "exploitation". J. Petersen understands the Communist Manifesto. The promises are endless with the extreme left, but historically never really delivered. Even those countries Bernie Saunders calls successfully socialist have admitted to moving away from such political leanings as the ruination of their country would have been inevitable. Suggest doing some actually study to catch up. There has been a lot learned about these systems and how they can lure the under informed into a disastrous thought train. Of course books by Mark Levine, an ardent constitutionalist and supporter of the Constitutional Republic we were supposed to be. One of my older favorites was written by a John Stormer and called None Dare Call It Treason. The 1990's version compared what he wrote in the mid sixties to what had happened by the 1990's, more than validates what is actually going on today too. None of it is good for America and if it continues the US of A will exist in name only and all that free stuff will really cost you then.

@smallgiant6064

4 ай бұрын

​@coolioso808 certainly not a by handing all property over a select elite that illicit absolute control and maintain it by governmental force. The most capitalistic thing the government can do end lobbying and break up monopolies. Without governmental power aiding them abusive corporations will fall.

Dostoevsky , "Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization." - Agent Smith

@jordanneedscoffee

2 жыл бұрын

Light cannot exist without darkness. Peace cannot exist without war. Bliss cannot exist without Misery. You cannot know a world of one thing without knowing it's opposite, it's a reality of life and is the real reason why no utopian society can ever exist. All we can do is try to inch ever closer to one.

I think KZread did a better job teaching me to think critically than 4 years in University.

@annbrown3037

3 жыл бұрын

😅 ditto ! And what a paradox eh ?! I'll bet those little trolls frantically adjusting censoring algorithms as fast as they can are tearing their hair out in frustration.

@roguegen5536

3 жыл бұрын

@@annbrown3037 lol oh you know they are.

@roguegen5536

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinzarathustra8604 what is the strawman he is attacking then? I am unable to see it. But you claim to be a master of critical thinking so as a master of critical thinking what is he wrong about?

@ExistentialWill

3 жыл бұрын

@@roguegen5536 Way to out yourself as indoctrinated.

@roguegen5536

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExistentialWill it is a genuine question, what is he wrong about?

Listening to him reminds me of the intelligence and logic of my dad. He makes so much sense, if the world operated on his ethos there would be less controversy and war

So, the last two and a half ish years, I've been going through a really rough time. My life's been in pieces, and my mental health has become debilitating. Long story and hard to explain, but I've developed paranoia, and certain words and phrases have been ruined for me, by certain people with, let's just say, ill intent. Something that's been VERY therapeutic for me has been watching movies, TV shows, and educational videos and debates like this one on KZread. For example, the word "creativity" has been ruined for me, so hearing it in the context of this video, helps. It's like exposure therapy. It's people I don't know, who have nothing to do with me, talking about things that are nothing to do with me, and stimulating and engaging topics at that. It's also a bonus that, at the same time as giving myself a kind of therapy, I'm learning new things, hearing all sorts of different ideas and perspectives, from all kinds of people (I tend to watch debates and videos from people on various points on the political compass, apart from for example neo-Nazis and hardcore crazy identity politics activists lol). So it's like I'm having therapy, and educating myself :)

@EgoEroTergum

Жыл бұрын

That's how you do it. 👍 One bitter pill at a time, until they don't taste anymore.

13:53 Peterson realizes the very fools he's describing are in the audience.

Red Skull's opening 90 seconds was both brutal and brilliant.

@ezabjacorn6208

3 жыл бұрын

You're edgy

@darkcoeficient

3 жыл бұрын

The best part was when he raised his fist and said "Confound you buck'o!".

@croatiaboy11

3 жыл бұрын

@@ezabjacorn6208 its a joke, he doesnt think hes comparable to red skull really

@MundaneThingsBackwards

3 жыл бұрын

@@ezabjacorn6208 woosh

@ProductionJunction1

3 жыл бұрын

Omg you killed me

For those who think capitalism is oppressive, I say this: In capitalism, I can move from oppressor to oppressor until I find a boss who's fair. In socialism/communism, I can't.

@mutexin

8 ай бұрын

There are no bosses in socialism and no bosses on capitalism. You are free to go where you like.

@user-gq9fd8ok6x

8 ай бұрын

​@@mutexinSorry but wrong. There is a boss, always and everywhere.

@mutexin

8 ай бұрын

@@user-gq9fd8ok6x only if you call people a boss.

@user-gq9fd8ok6x

8 ай бұрын

@@mutexin Nice and smart quip, but still in the wrong.

@mutexin

8 ай бұрын

@@user-gq9fd8ok6x why do you cope? Calling something wrong doesn’t make it wrong FYI.

This speech needs to be put on replay, again and again. Very very good arguments

@tomschwitters4551

Жыл бұрын

No it doesn't. This speech has been debunked many times if you just care to do the work. It's pure ideology, in the marxist sense of ideology (a set of ideas designed to justify the current order of any society). These arguments can only operate on people who don't read.

@chobin7982

Жыл бұрын

Im sorry but ur white mentor is wrong. 9:14 explains why this “psychiatrist” is wrong. He fails to acknowledge the evil in this world and says that people dont rise to positions of power by the exploitation of others. A failure to understand this, is pure dishonest. If jordan is right, then Explain jails and inmates if humans are so good.

@smithjohnson1206

10 ай бұрын

No, they’re not

@adamsmith4813

9 ай бұрын

It should be seen with the full video though, have you seen it? With Zizek's response, 2 intellectual heavyweights debating calmly and composed

@jeffsmith9420

5 ай бұрын

Peterson makes arguments?

Finished 12 rules for life a few weeks ago. You sir, are changing my life. Your existance is sort of a blessing for this world right now. I love to se you healthy again. Kind regards from Brazil.

“Well the people that laugh may do it that way”. One of the great come backs

@SCCyntax

3 жыл бұрын

And then they proved him right by cheering on a bloody revolution.

@juliesteimle3867

3 жыл бұрын

@@jordanbpeterson5154 Bot or scam.

Whomever is still alive from the Soviet Union and experienced the horrors of that system, should go with Dr. Peterson on these speaking tours to attest to the absolute correctness of the events and speak to the absurdity of repeating them.

@RextheRebel

4 ай бұрын

Most older ppl who lived during the Soviet Union want it to return.

@MALEXI10

4 ай бұрын

​@@RextheRebelYes, but they won't be the intellectuals that were killed.

The opportunity for profit and potential for losses incentivize a business owner to be efficient which increases the standard of living for the community served through supply which meets demand at a price which is dictated by the need.

A neighbor was a plumber before the freeze in Texas. Now he has a whole fleet of trucks and plumbers. Business grows. Free markets and a right to work. Working families. Family friendly. Thank you. Common sense.

@Muck006

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry to disagree ... SLIGHTLY ... because EVERY IDEOLOGY has its extremist incarnation and the current situation has two examples: - Amazon is killing off competition from small shops because they do not have the cost of running stores ... but our cities NEED the stores or else they will become wastelands of "boring nothingness". The pandemic just made it more extreme. - "Twitter, FB, YT, Google are private companies and can do what they want" is an expression of radical capitalism ... and one of the reasons why PROPAGANDA is one-sided ... because the quasi-MONOPOLIES are not recognised as such. Capitalism has its flaws ... just like every other ideology and needs to be held in check through common sense. It isnt "fair" that giant corporations can "do shifty stuff" to evade taxes while small companies dont have the spare cash to make hiring tax lawyers/manager do fancy investments to evade it all. Regulations should ALWAYS favor small businesses, since these are the real tax payers!

@claudialsmith2996

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@MolecularArts

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Muck006 no, Amazon isn't killing anything. It's consumers, by choosing where to spend their money. No-one is putting a gun to your head, telling you that you must shop at Amazon. Do cities need stores? Sure. But they apparently don't need the ones that are going out of business.

@flumpyhumpy

3 жыл бұрын

@@MolecularArts That's disingenuous. Naturally, given the option of buying the same item at a higher or lower price, people will opt for the cheaper.

@MolecularArts

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why you think I'm being disingenuous, @@flumpyhumpy, because I agree with everything you wrote. Yes, consumers do in general buy cheaper when the opportunity arrises. That is their _choice_. Would you force them to buy more expensive?

"When you're young you root for the heroes , when you get old you understand the villains". This Red Skull guy makes more and more sense the older I get.

@magnusm4

2 жыл бұрын

How are you to understand a megalomaniac nazi or Dr Robotnik whose entire character since his inception has been nothing but pollution, destruction and dictatorship for his own ego?

@matthewdavis3421

2 жыл бұрын

@@magnusm4, gonna have to declare that to be a whoosh.

@FarSeeker8

2 жыл бұрын

Understanding the villains does not mean agreeing with them. Just ask Mr. Incredible. ;)

@truantakuma6234

2 жыл бұрын

you do know the red skull is a nazi right?

@FarSeeker8

2 жыл бұрын

​@@truantakuma6234 The Red Skull is a character In A Series of Comic Books.

I’ve never expected it to be so fun to study Marxism, which was part of the required general ed course in college. Most of us just memorized the standard answers to pass the exam, not really motivated to put much effort to “study” it 😅

@gilcostello3316

Жыл бұрын

That's how communist professors stole the minds of university students. No one was around to warn any of them they were entering the birthing room of a horror show.

@mutexin

8 ай бұрын

Do you live in China?

@HandyDandy6

7 ай бұрын

I hope you don't mean watching this is studying marxism? Why not go read Marx or listen to what a Marxist has to say?

@coolioso808

7 ай бұрын

More study and analysis can be found here: "Peter Joseph - Critique of Jordan B. Peterson (vs Slavoj Zizek: "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism")"

@mutexin

7 ай бұрын

@@coolioso808 peter joseph? The guy who made the Zeitgeist?

Allow me to comment on one of Jordan Peterson's point that the Communist Manifesto assumes that the proleteriat is good and the bourgeoise is bad. Karl Marx did not view the proletariat (working class) as inherently "good" or the bourgeoisie (capitalist class) as inherently "bad." Instead, Marx's critique of capitalism was based on the idea that the class structure of capitalist society created conditions that led to the exploitation of the working class by the capitalist class. Marx argued that the bourgeoisie, as the owners of the means of production, controlled the economic and political systems, and used their power to exploit the working class for their own profit. He believed that this exploitation was built into the structure of capitalist society and that it was impossible to eliminate without fundamentally changing the system itself.

Jordan is a gift to the world. The world and our knowledge of it are better because of him.

13:48 The look on his face as he pauses after they cheer conveys a great deal--incredulous horror; something like "recognition of the enemy"; a combination of bemused satisfaction followed by a deep sadness at knowing that most of them have no idea what awaits them in their utopia, because they never bothered to look into it. It's like the sum total knowledge of the indescribable horrors that were perpetrated flashed through his mind when they all laughed at literal genocide (I know it did for me)--the genocide of the Kulaks by starvation that drove people to eat their own children, the systematic deconstruction of individual identity to such a degree that they would commit unthinkable atroticities in service to Party and state, the endless corruption that plagued the highest echelons of the new "revolutionary leadership"--and yet they cheer. They cheer because they *_know_* that *_this time will be different,_* & that they--the first movers, the true believers, the intellectuals, the activist foot soldiers who helped bring about the glorious, blood-soaked Revolution--THEY know _they'll not only_ be elevated to a status they could never have achieved in the old system, they'll be venerated for their relentless devotion to the cause and immortalized as heroes. All that intellect, all that education--and they _still_ don't understand that when it comes to the list of people a successful revolutionary leader would want to keep around after taking power, *_effective revolutionaries_* are, quite literally, d̝͍͈̟̮͎̥e̘̯̥̥̰a̲̰̠̖͉d̹͇̮̯̬̼ ̙͙̱̝͕l̦͉̖ạ̹̝̟̀s̬̥̤̬̟͆̄t̥̬̘̩̯. ̥̥̯̯᷈᷈̆ ᴿᴵᴾ

@dean_l33

3 жыл бұрын

Mate you should write a book

@mr_duane

3 жыл бұрын

@@dean_l33 not your mate, buddy. But yes he should

@blanktrigger8863

3 жыл бұрын

Even worse, effective revolutionaries are always the idiots of society. They don't realize that they're being picked because they're stupid enough to be indoctrinated. Effective revolutionaries really aren't a danger to the dictators who use them because they're easily manipulated. It's class of people who sought murder because of a false narrative. They have no principles that would make them turn against the dictator because the dictator has no principles: the goal is and was always to murder. If you don't care about the Truth enough to not be a revolutionary it's not suddenly gonna happen afterwards.

@goodolearkygal5746

3 жыл бұрын

Truth and beauty right there

@goodolearkygal5746

3 жыл бұрын

@@blanktrigger8863 actually they always kill the revolutionaries because they are idealists that can pull off a revolution... when they wake up and realize that they fought a bloody revolution and the leader lied, they will turn on him and win... that's why they always get killed first.. always, because the revolution doesn't end in world peace and rainbows like they were told

have you noticed how Jordan rarely sees his audience. when he speaks it seems like he is actually analysing the words coming out of his mouth which further makes him come with the next set of sentences and I sometime think he's just talking to himself about all the things he's read and known with brilliant eloquence.

@DEMillerEarl

3 жыл бұрын

He has described the process before I think he said it was about using all the knowledge he has, but he's still trying to figure stuff out actively with the audience in the moment.

@pamelamohn5931

3 жыл бұрын

An extremely thoughtful speaker.

@goodolearkygal5746

3 жыл бұрын

Hes trying to put his thoughts into words, I believe. To make sure he explains it well for others to understand. I know people that speak like this when trying to get a point across because if they don't they accidentally talk over peoples heads and it makes them angry

@TacitSwine750

3 жыл бұрын

@Praxis Of Logos At what point did OP claim that he conducted himself in such a manner at any other point? Based on the comment, they were just speaking on THIS discussion.

@83169

3 жыл бұрын

The two deranged death cults that illegitimately dominate the U S , foisted onto the American public a bungling real-estate grifter and game-show host versus Nixon in a pants suit. And yet, you have the nerve to say something like that in public.

One of my problems with his statements in the second part is that he is stating as a fact, that capitalism envoces technology and innovation without ever contemplating if perhaps, they happened either seperated or the other way around. With technological achievement promoting capitalism. He is just claiming the world has grown richer DUE to capitalism while it was in truth during capitalism.

I would add one thing to the Peterson‘s point that hierarchies predate capitalism and are not caused by it - capitalism unlike other systems allows everyone to improve their position in the hierarchy by their own intentional action and effort. This is the most important positive property of it that we should all celebrate.

That long pause of his when the psychopaths applauded for ‘blood revolution’.... priceless. My paused thinking would’ve been to ask the the auditorium staff to turn the audience lights for the rest of lecture. I’d want to see exactly who applauds ‘bloody revolution’.

@nagsterthegangster3548

3 жыл бұрын

I think they were applauding in confirmation that they agreed with his point of view. Not that spilling their neighbors blood is the solution.

@FrankLutz2

3 жыл бұрын

@@nagsterthegangster3548 Perhaps. Although, I doubt it. It sounds like a split crowd. If I had to guess, judging by the levels and points at which applause occurs, I’d say 75% reasonable center Left, center, center right folks. 25% hopeless wannabe SJWs / wannabe Marxists. At least no one used an air horn.

@nagsterthegangster3548

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrankLutz2 Yeah after watching the rest of the video I totally understand where that narrative comes from now. The timing of laughter or applause did seem almost malicious to his points. I kinda change my viewpoint after seeing more but still hope for the best in people... But it would be naive for me to believe otherwise from the actions of the crowd. Totally agree my friend!

@JasonManners

3 жыл бұрын

@@nagsterthegangster3548 that is what we would like to believe but I don't think so. I saw the guy sitting on the stage pumping them up. I want to say this video is part of a debate and I would imagine the guy sitting down believes in communism.

@nagsterthegangster3548

3 жыл бұрын

@@JasonManners See, thats the problem. I don't "believe in" anything no mo. Shits fucked and I'm good with that. The bar is low and I'm not looking for much.... Which is jading when the low-ass-bar isn't even being met.... What I think we need is LESS faith in systems and more REAL accountability for REAL actions... Not some bullshit you said online, shit you did that is actually indicative of character... Cancel culture is this idea taken too far.

The man is a genius. His courage is remarkable.

@canaryimpulse989

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't even read/understand the one pamphlet he claimed to read on this subject. Clearly it doesn't take much to impress you.

@andrewsperry6450

3 жыл бұрын

@@canaryimpulse989 wow. That’s your take? Interesting....

@canaryimpulse989

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewsperry6450 Yes. I'm putting it midly.

@SkeezyBacon

3 жыл бұрын

@@canaryimpulse989 Did you thumbs up your own comment?

@canaryimpulse989

3 жыл бұрын

@@SkeezyBacon No. There are other ppl here who know that JP is lying and frankly, are trying to break through into your echochamber to show you that.

Just an amazing analysis 👏👏👏👏

@futurejameslove

Жыл бұрын

lmfao. no.

Brilliantly handled, Dr. Peterson. Thank You.

26:40 is probably one of the shortest and best arguments for capitalism ive ever heard. "The one thing you can say about capitalism is, that although it produces inequality - which it absolutely does - it also produces wealth. And all the other systems don't, they only produce inequality."

@Perktube1

2 жыл бұрын

Truth!

@kateboo4013

2 жыл бұрын

I would disagree. It produces stuff... And then 1% gets the wealth of the stuff produced...

@wilfreddevries294

2 жыл бұрын

@@kateboo4013 Funny that you might say that, while you're on a computer, on a hosted platform, as am I... Seems like we're both part of the 1%?

@kateboo4013

2 жыл бұрын

@@wilfreddevries294 if you think having a laptop and internet is wealth, then the 1% has truly deceived you...

@wilfreddevries294

2 жыл бұрын

@@kateboo4013 If you don't think that that is wealth... The 1% truly has deceived you.

This man does 90% of the work that 90% of "psychologists" are not doing today...

@CalpeperMinutemen

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like Dr Peterson’s site has been hacked. Very unlikely that he would be advertising “crypto” (or that his grammar would be so poor).

@neverbeabletoremembe

3 жыл бұрын

Pareto distribution < Peterson Distribution

@CalpeperMinutemen

3 жыл бұрын

Nope... actually, it’s just a “faux” account.

@yazao8282

3 жыл бұрын

Its a fake account. Don't message the number

@ExistentialWill

3 жыл бұрын

If you consider "work" gaslighting and abusing your position?

19:35 I've been looking for this qoute for a while, very well said sir 🤔

Brilliant, as usual. Thank you, Dr. Peterson.