The bridge is intact boys.

@TransKidsMafia

3 ай бұрын

do wokeists hate destiny like him or are impartial? I am a right-moderate troll that loves trans kids but destiny is pretty smart IMO

@cbussey4676

3 ай бұрын

@@TransKidsMafia May I ask what's up with your brain?

@TransKidsMafia

3 ай бұрын

@@cbussey4676 r u able to answer the question or are you waiting for a consensus to attach to?

@cbussey4676

3 ай бұрын

@@TransKidsMafia your string of words barely has any relationship to reality.. i dont even know where to start

@TransKidsMafia

3 ай бұрын

@@cbussey4676 👌🏼👌🏼 u shall get many likes from fellow illiterate fks. My newborn is trans.

Mr. Pakman, we demand more and longer collaborations between you and Mr. Steven Kenneth "Destiny" Bonnell II. Would love to see you guys do a Podcast-style format, maybe like once a month or so.

@CordaroBlu

3 ай бұрын

I read Destiny's name in that classic DPak over pronunciation. Great job. Also Def agree with your idea. It would be a cool temp check for both audiences.

@cocopuff239

3 ай бұрын

would love this

@Chris-il5im

3 ай бұрын

You forgot to put "former Goransson" in there for good mesure.

@garyoakham9723

3 ай бұрын

I agree. Both can have their wives get railed by other men

@RS4862

3 ай бұрын

Once destiny realises Pakman is an obvious CIA plant he won't come back

I used to be extremely far-right racist/sexist/pdfile militia member in the deep woods of Kentucky but Destiny de-radicalized me. He is doing great work here in the world. He should be president one day if he deletes Twitter

@ennuiii

3 ай бұрын

He's too emotionally volatile to be a politician tbh, I'd see him in a cabinet/support role more than anything

@sspbrazil

3 ай бұрын

That Mark Lamont Hill debate was a really good one, I watch Lamont’s channel, he does a great job in his discussions.

@AgentMullet

3 ай бұрын

he deradicalized me too. January 2021 going thru his debates at the time; some of which were with people I thought were smart like Lauren Southern and Fuentes and he just so clearly and absolutely wiped the floor with them and poked all sorts of holes in my ideology that I had never thought of before as a 19 year old upper middle class white kid sheltered in the suburbs. I was stuck in an echo chamber IRL but destiny destroyed my entire worldview and I realized how wrong I was about almost everything

@peterkoinzell7983

3 ай бұрын

Wow brother you’ve been on a political journey. He needs to convince me then why I shouldn’t be a communist

@sspbrazil

3 ай бұрын

@@AgentMullet Nick Fuentes is a loon.

Wow can't believe you guys got into a fist fight live. What a sight to see.

@3TNT3

3 ай бұрын

Huhhhhh?????

@usucdik

3 ай бұрын

@@3TNT3 at 31:50

@ryderoreilly9807

3 ай бұрын

​@usucdik it doesn't go to the timestamp you're referencing?

@toddy914

3 ай бұрын

​@@ryderoreilly9807 Huh, thats weird. Have you tried pressing Alt+F4? Might do the trick.

@littlejerryseinfeld4168

3 ай бұрын

@@toddy914 what is this, a counterstrike lobby in the year 2001?

Steven Kenneth “Destiny” Bonnel II is at least one of the top 10 most renowned Cuban American gaming/political streamers out there.

@SpongeGod-YawehPants

3 ай бұрын

He's easily top 5 in the world for people who are Cuban-American, gaming/political streaming, 35 yr old, youtuber with a nickname that's the same as a video game franchise. He really stands out amongst his peers

@piratees

3 ай бұрын

That’s a girls name

@gregorymagarshak7953

3 ай бұрын

@@piratees yea if the girl was AWESOME, you mean

@jeffanderson1708

3 ай бұрын

Love the necessary qualifiers. Also, pseudo-intellectual hack.

@SpongeGod-YawehPants

3 ай бұрын

@jeffanderson1708 you can call him annoying and you can say you don't like his speaking pace or voice (similar critiques to cringey ben shapiro) but destiny is obv a smart dude and he's well read. Calling him a hack or a fake intellectual only makes you seem like you've never had a critical thought in your life

"Not thousands, two thousand!" - a flustered Glenn Greenwald reaches after getting embarrassed by Steven Kenneth "Destiny" Bonnell II

@jacobosborn8584

3 ай бұрын

That was hilarious - like Glenn bro do you know what the plural of “thousand” means? I was roflmaooo

@100AcreWoodz1

3 ай бұрын

​@jacobosborn8584 and regardless, it's such a trivial pointless thing. Even 1000 people in a single building with a goal of overthrowing an election and committing violence is absolutely terrifying

@chessmagician2024

3 ай бұрын

honestly its very revealing to the state of right wing pundits when you have one of their most prominent ones actually saying, unironically "not thousands, two thousand!" LOL

@SaladDongs

3 ай бұрын

Not the son of Steven Bonnell, it's Steven Bonnell II

@galaxycraftings

3 ай бұрын

thats misocontrued. Two thousand is the HIGHEST possible estimate. So to grant is 'thousands' is already a reach. and even more so when 'THOUSANDS' rhetorically implies much more of the bare minimum which would be two thousand. So this is a bare minimum of a bare minimum ofoucrse greenwald would push back with that word loading

Pak and Steven.. we need more of it!!!!!

@ezo2161

3 ай бұрын

That abbreviation is a bit dodgy next to a Chelsea badge 😂

@Eon-Blue

3 ай бұрын

I think David should stay away from Destiny-an admitted consumer of drawn CP.

@mofishin2648

3 ай бұрын

I wonder if Hasan would join them for a discussion next time .. LOL

@ItsSawyer8

3 ай бұрын

@@mofishin2648he’s too busy asking terrorists what anime they like. Hard hitting journalism you know?

@mofishin2648

3 ай бұрын

@@ItsSawyer8 He also does canvassing.. In his gated community and at the AVN awards .. lol

Honestly, these two deserve each other.

@gmh471

Ай бұрын

It's incredible that we live in a world where somebody (you) says something of no substance and it still results in "likes."

Thank you! Please keep it up! Would be great if you both have regular conversations throughout the year leading up to the election.

Great discussion, thanks for having Destiny on, David!

@maruraba1478

3 ай бұрын

Destiny wanted BLM protesters mowed down by a vehicle. And he has defended vaush’s loli collection. So

Destiny makes 1 GREAT point. If you claim to be centrist or on the left, yet you see both sides as somehow equally bad....you are NOT a centrist or on the left. The Overton window has shifted too far.

@tacocanada1888

3 ай бұрын

either that or you have shit political parties.

@24Wynn

3 ай бұрын

I agree. The "both parties are bad" line shows the ignorance of the people who say this. Has the left tried to overthrow an election? No. Have the left tried to persecute anyone ever their political party affiliation? No. The courts are holding trump accountable for crimes he committed in their district. If Democrats did that many crimes, we would want to see them being held accountable for their crimes.

@AtomicMushroomz

3 ай бұрын

yup, it's because there are only two parties in the US@@tacocanada1888

@unropednope4644

3 ай бұрын

TYT, cenk and Anna have entered the chat

@afry6400

3 ай бұрын

Seeing both sides doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with both sides. Also if you understand where an opposing side is coming from honestly, not just assume, then you stand a better chance of guiding them towards a more reasonable stance.

Always love to see David and Destiny together. 😄

@duffman247

3 ай бұрын

My favorite was when discussing Rittenhouse, he asked if he was autistic. ❤

@happycrimson

3 ай бұрын

@@duffman247 😭😭😭

@TastelessOpinion

2 ай бұрын

Packman fears Destiny. Destiny likes Packman although he could destroy him. Packman is funny.

Thanks for that wonderful interview David. It is imperative to highlight the organization of the canvassing events to the general public because it is certainly the most important thing right now. The first canvassing was a real success and we need to encourage the positive momentum that it creates.

What a very interesting interview, would love to see them on your channel more

awesome stuff Dave & Steven!

@MattySOP

3 күн бұрын

Two snowflakes just sucking each other off like they are some superior moral beings lmao.. yea great stuff

Good conversation. Glad you guys are still talking.

Really enjoy both of these guys.

I enjoyed this conversation, thank you 😊

Always love seeing these two together

this is awesome david.

Keep up the good work, David. Your interviews are important, meaningful, and illuminating! They clarify and don't obfuscate.

Wonderful conversation

Wonderful interview

Nice. Liberal Cuban Americans are a rare find in US. Destiny brings me hope for them, like he's planting mustard seeds.

@AtomicMushroomz

3 ай бұрын

He's not really liberal

@musicman1eanda

3 ай бұрын

I wonder why a lot of Cuban Americans aren't liberal... What could it possibly be...? 🤔😅

@SmilingIslandRetreat-pn4dd

3 ай бұрын

Let's keep shifting the goal posts. Liberal is center left. He's definitely not middle. Compare what being a right winger in this country meant in the Bush era to now. If we're going off of current definitions, there's no world in which Destiny leans right. He's less useful to the progressive project than most (probably why he and Pakman are such bros) but he's still a net positive ​@@AtomicMushroomz

@AcidZambies

3 ай бұрын

What is he then?? ​@@AtomicMushroomz

@GreyKnight7777

3 ай бұрын

@@SmilingIslandRetreat-pn4dd He's not really liberal tho.

Really happy to see these two together

good to hear from Stephanus Bonnellii Africanus II

@Naskinlahtaaja

3 ай бұрын

Stephanus Bonnellii Africanus II :D

@MoisesZTech

3 ай бұрын

Whose that? All I see is Destiny the Girl

@JR-pr8jb

3 ай бұрын

Holy moly, MAGA at the limit of their intellect.

@BizarreIoveTriangle

3 ай бұрын

@@JR-pr8jb just giving a shoutout to our Afro-Greco-Roman-Cuban Queen. Hope DPak collabs more this year

@666MaRius9991

3 ай бұрын

@@BizarreIoveTriangle Yass Qween! 😍

Interesting & enjoyable interview!

I love when you guys collaborate! Big fan of you both!

Huge fans of both! Keep it up!

Great vid

So, is Destiny the new Sam Harris?

Can we get the Packman to join one of those canvassing event that are going to come up later this year. I think that would be so cool to see and David would also be a great person to get more "online" people involved int oactual on the ground work for the upcoming election :)

@kbaumgarten2151

3 ай бұрын

I hope David will encourage his massive number of followers to help in Destiny's canvassing efforts. With so many followers, combined with Destiny's huge following, we could all join up to make a real difference. It would help so many people feel that they're doing more than donating, or just watching KZread. To get his followers more involved and feeling more empowered would surely bring David a lot of satisfaction, and his followers as well. I dearly hope you make this happen.

Great first segment on How To Manage Debates.

We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves.

An interview with a Woman is always nice to see!

@carolinematusevich889

3 ай бұрын

?????? 🤔

@morphkogan8627

3 ай бұрын

@@carolinematusevich889 its an inside joke because Destiny is a womans name

@nrein89

3 ай бұрын

​@@carolinematusevich889It's a reference to Destiny's interview with Jessie Lee Peterson. Near the beginning, Peterson says "Destiny. That's a girl's name." It's been a running joke in Destiny's community ever since.

@antenna_prolly

3 ай бұрын

​@@nrein89wow it wasn't even transphobic until JLP made it so

destriny pulled me out of the right wing pipeline i was headed down from covid. his rittenhouse takes were what got me starting to watch him and went from there. so thanks kyle, i guess

When Destiny distinguishes between the dangers between the far left and the far right he is absolutely 100% correct. They’re both problematic in their own right but the actual harm felt by the far right is much more existential. I’ve been waiting for Steven Kenneth “Destiny” Bonnell the Second to make this distinction for quite some time. Great conversation, as long as Destiny doesn’t fly off the handle shot out of a canon I encourage more collaboration amongst you two.

@bigdick1267

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, all that far right legislation being passed, ohh and all the social control they have....😅.

Destiny is more central than left leaning. I personally feel he has bad faith debates to bring everything back to his primary position.

Thanks for this thoughtful video.

Please do a weekly discussion or full-fledged podcast together! We need more of these measured, reasonable discussions on the left. Seriously.

My favorite lgbt afro-cuban streamer!

Wow this was sooo good, great conversation all around great interview David...👍

Always enjoy you guys' interactions

David, sir, I always enjoy your chats with Miss Destiny. 🇨🇺 🇦🇷

This is great

I like that Destiny debates others and wants to engage on ideas.

How did I miss this content?

That intro is always classic from David

What a skilled debater... ...He convinced me, i now hold every position that this Steven guy does

Always love seeing collaboration between Mr. Steven Kenneth "Destiny" Bonnell II. and Mr. David DPak the Pak Pakman.

Good convo

Dialogue is different then debates. You have to in a dialogue accept as a hypothetical who you are dialoging. It is in accepting the deconstructed hypothetical that all participants have the possibility of new discoveries that could fine tune both sides understanding of what the issues are.

I'm glad black women like Destiny are getting represented on the Dpac show.

@carolinematusevich889

3 ай бұрын

????? 🤔

@eposa5421

3 ай бұрын

Diversity is our strength!

@unusual686

3 ай бұрын

@@carolinematusevich889 this is the standard joke from those who listen to Destiny/

@Shadowjester1985

3 ай бұрын

​@@unusual686well it's stale dumb and not remotely funny.

@BoonesFrry

3 ай бұрын

lol.

These debates are a good thing! I enjoy watching them as it is the best way to get the opposing viewpoint. Far too many political commenters want to explain the other side. They almost always miss the mark at least a little bit. The debates usually get people to explain and defend their own position. Something far more valuable to someone looking to understand both sides of the argument.

Never appreciated the .75x playback speed function on KZread until today.

@SmartRob

3 ай бұрын

Except David sounds drunk at.75 and Destiny sounds normal.😂🤣

Very interest show David

Holy cow the dude talks fast. I had to check my playback speed.

To be honest wealthy Chinese people have been speculating on housing in Canada and it has become a problem. IDK how big of an issue it is in the us though

Having never been the biggest fan of destiny this interview has made me understand him on a much deeper level. Thanks

Open-mindedness is important, and no one can change my mind about that.

@justr6982

3 ай бұрын

LOL 😂

Love this

Sir, this was a great conversation!

Goddam I love both of you. Love seeing you guys on each others' platforms. Even if Destiny IS a girl's name.

Love both these guys. Much insight as to their approach to debates and hope,they continue their participation. We need these voices out there.

@chriscueva1866

3 ай бұрын

All I see is David talking to a strong independent black woman

I have a lot of conservative family members. My husband is a conservative. From what I personally see they aren’t attacking police they are attacking the FBI and DOJ. But that’s just my personal experience. Also I agree with Destiny about the vaccine issue. It used to be the vegan liberal types that were anti vax.

@morphkogan8627

3 ай бұрын

I think he agrees with both of those points. I think he just didn't flesh it out properly when he said it.

@user-rc3pk4xy6r

3 ай бұрын

@@morphkogan8627 No I get that. I also think the Uvalde shooting he was eluding to wasn’t totally fair. The disgust people had over the cowardice that occurred wasn’t political.

@itsROMPERS...

3 ай бұрын

The FBI is a national police and law enforcement agency. Historically it's always been extremely right-wing, and strongly supported by them.

@bertthompson4748

3 ай бұрын

The issue is that supporting FBI and the DOJ under your guy as they investigate your enemies isnt a true value when you flip the moment they investigate you.

@Onthebrink5

3 ай бұрын

You ignored the police in DC.

debate lords are so stupid my brain has such a hard time wrapping around his dumb ideas

Almost everyone has a political ideology. Very few think of the effect or results of their ideology applied in reality.

A debate about debates. Just what we need.

@CordaroBlu

3 ай бұрын

This came off as a debate to you? They didn't actually disagree on anything.

@Tom_Het

3 ай бұрын

Time to debate whether we really need a debate about debates.

@Boroburand-py7eu

3 ай бұрын

I'd like to debate you on whether or not this was a debate. I don't think it was.

@maruraba1478

3 ай бұрын

Debate perverts…

@AhmadAneeq

3 ай бұрын

@@Boroburand-py7eu debate

The tragedy of young voters is not their ideology but their failure to bother to vote at all. They fail their fundamental responsibilities as citizens.

I had to check my playback speed. This guy sounds like he is talking at 1.5 speed. 😂

Thanks for bringing on a new female voice to debate always refreshing

I feel sorry for the first two people to step up against a DPak/Destiny duo debate. Make it happen!

My two favorites :D

Research streams are my favourite YT content

Was this live? I wish I saw this while broadcasting :)

@morphkogan8627

3 ай бұрын

Destiny was probably streaming it.

Really interesting talk but I’m a little confused. Destiney is all for building more houses but why is he against rent control or affordable housing for homeless? That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me but I’d like other perspectives let me know in the comments

@daviddavidson6278

3 ай бұрын

Iirc hes against rent control because its disincentivices the building of new houses making the main problem of too many people wanting to live in an area worse. And I haven't heard him talk about affordable housing outside of this video but I'm guessing its just the normal argument about supply and demand. If the supply is lacking building substandard (affordable) housing wont actually decrease the sale price as the supply and demand stays the same.

@morphkogan8627

3 ай бұрын

Because the primary issue is lack of supply due to shit Zoning laws and NIMBYism. Rent control probably causes more problems then it solves, and it certainly doesn't fix the route cause, which is lack of supply. Rent control is a problematic artificial lowering of prices. WE NEED MORE HOUSING. That simple

@Yo1297

3 ай бұрын

@@morphkogan8627 but then if it’s not affordable how are homeless supposed to be able to live there. Is it free? I’m not coming from a bad faith angle I promise promise promise I like having these conversations cause I want to learn more ☺️

@Yo1297

3 ай бұрын

@@daviddavidson6278 ​​⁠ gonna ask the same question cause i wanna know if your answer is the same. but then if it’s not affordable how are homeless supposed to be able to live there. Is it free? I’m not coming from a bad faith angle I promise promise promise I like having these conversations cause I want to learn more ☺️

@Yo1297

3 ай бұрын

Thank you both for your perspectives in advance whenever you write them I know internet can be a place with awful people but I thank you for educating me further 😊

This is an awesome interview. Thank you, David Pakman, for bringing Destiny on as a guest speaker. Great questions and great answers.

Love these guys

For some reason I assumed “Destiny” was another one of George Santos’ aliases.

My two favorite people together finally at once

Ive always respected Destiny and David very much. There are too many leftists that are left on literally every issue and it's just infuriating because i think they feel they need to be part of a box or identity doing this and therefore prevents them from thinking critically.

@caseypdx503

3 ай бұрын

yep, that is the nature of ideological thinking. There is always going to be a blockage of critical thinking at some point...

@brianmeen2158

3 ай бұрын

I honestly don’t understand how any sane adult could be right or left on every issue. It doesn’t compute to me

@vicwaters87

3 ай бұрын

@@brianmeen2158 Which issues are there good faith reasons to tilt right on? Because there are degrees of "how left" you are on an issue.

@brandonm949

3 ай бұрын

Idk, I think if your general attitude is to move toward social equality, you're going to land on similar policies as the other people who lean toward social equality. It doesn't make a lot of sense to, say, promote respect for LGBT people but then promote cruelty toward immigrants.

@pancaked7777777

3 ай бұрын

​@@vicwaters87is that a genuine question? Do you really think there is no issue in which a more conservative perspective has any merit?

Softball questions are not helping tbh lmao

This is by far some of your most interesting content, where are the 2+ hour long talks with you too? Please do more content together please

Im really glad he's not into the red piller debates still. Not my favorite debates by a country mile.

@morphkogan8627

3 ай бұрын

He goes on different arcs, political arc is in full swing now baby

@pancaked7777777

3 ай бұрын

There's only so much depth to the red pill trash. We've scraped the bottom of the barrel a while back. Surprised there are still creators out there still recycling that shit indefinitely like human red pill centipedes

@bertthompson4748

3 ай бұрын

Redpill debates feel like fans of an RPG talking stats. Sure theyre interesting if you play that RPG but for an outsider they get boring.

One thing to note: Trump supports the vaccine, he’s always wanted the credit for that.

@morphkogan8627

3 ай бұрын

He skirts a fine line knowing his entire base is vehemently anti-vaccine. So he just doesn't bring it up anymore. He got booed at his own rally last time he brought it up

@TastelessOpinion

2 ай бұрын

Much like you did ?

@danielhowaniec6334

2 ай бұрын

@@TastelessOpinion huh?

@TastelessOpinion

2 ай бұрын

@@danielhowaniec6334 don't play dumb, did you support the vaccine or didn't you ?

Two of the biggest jew apologists of the online left

Love seeing David and Destiny together!

My ears can't keep up! I admire Destiny but, please slow down a bit... People need to be able to assimilate your point as you speak or else it is no more informative than the disclaimers after investment commercials. Thanks for having Destiny on your show, David.

say what you will but as a young person destiny’s “gamergate” era is was really appealing to me and deradicalized me from the right and introduced me to sam seder and david pakman

this echo chamber would be dangerous if there was a combined triple digit IQ present

@freddegreeff31

2 ай бұрын

Isnt destiny leading the conversation on the internet about Israel Palestine? Seems pretty smart to me.

Love Destiny. Don’t agree w him on everything but I LOVE his politics and his perspective. He’s extremely solid. And he’s willing to debate honestly. That’s vital

@maruraba1478

3 ай бұрын

He’s a POS, look up when he wanted BLM protesters mowed down with a vehicle. Or when he defended vaush’s cp collection

It is undeniable that Destiny is bringing fact based arguments to conspiracy-brained or radical groups and managing to bring them to a more rational level

@AtomicMushroomz

3 ай бұрын

He doesn't though

David very good at asking questions

Really good conversation. Even better than the last one.

This man has put things in such incredible perspective for me in such a relatively short time. It's a blessing he debates and regularly engages with people and ideas that are against his own, especially as a former hard-line conservative. Go Steven!!

Since I'm still on Twitter, I get a lot of really bad takes from Destiny in my "For You" feed. That's how much I know about the guy and I wanna keep it that way

@boblaw4488

3 ай бұрын

who asked

@insertedgynamehere6487

2 ай бұрын

dpack and destiny probably overlap on 95% of their positions so I dont know what you're doing on this channel, you're either a rightoid or crazy tankie.

Vaush came from this dude's fanbase

@MommyOfMutants

3 ай бұрын

Wasn’t that 🐴🍆🌽🍭 kicked out for se*ually harassing women in the community?

@neiloch

3 ай бұрын

Not surprising, Destiny and Vaush are both despicable and honestly I'm being turned away by Pakman by him being amiable to a guy who has been openly racist on multiple occasions. I literally can't quote the things he has said without being moderated.

@50colt30Productions

3 ай бұрын

​@@neilochopenly racist?

@exiledfrommyself

3 ай бұрын

Now they pretty much hate each other.

@SaladDongs

3 ай бұрын

@@neiloch Wow wait what can you censor it? Or point me in a direction to find this? I thought he was ok

American center is already right on a geopolitics scale. Perspective matters. Your content is on a global platform 🤷‍♂️

@rmac3217

3 ай бұрын

Wait until you learn about Middle Eastern politics bahaha

@gattearthrid

3 ай бұрын

@@rmac3217 destiny is middle eastern? I thought he was American

@rmac3217

3 ай бұрын

@@gattearthrid You are the one talking about global politics and how America is right wing on that scale... So where do you put Sharia law following nations with an active monarchy in power, with the most social welfare like Saudi Arabia?

@gattearthrid

3 ай бұрын

@@rmac3217 in the same nutty bread basket with the maga folk. Religious authoritarians are typically considered far right.

@insertedgynamehere6487

2 ай бұрын

another one from "Bernie would actually be center right in Europe" crowd. The year 2016 called, it wants its shitty political takes back

Steven Bonnell Destiny XIV was on FIRE in his discussion with Ian Crossland (I kind of don't want to call it a debate given Ian's background and demeanor). I haven't agreed with anyone, hitting on more cylinders at once, than with this based young man.

Talking about purity testing reminds me of people whining about cancel culture. Handle criticism.