You could call Gaza a prison or a concentration camp but I find the best analogy is thaf it's like the Warsaw ghetto

@lukemadrid5711

24 күн бұрын

The term "ghetto" is so apt for Gaza, I don't know why more people don't call it the Gaza Ghetto.

Steven has completely lost track of why identifying and stopping a mass slaughter is important in arguing in weeds of what technically constitutes a genocide. And looking back, thats mostly what he does.

@synchronium24

20 күн бұрын

So has the left. Attack the no good, very bad thing without getting myopically attached to insisting on the term "genocide".

Destiny has a 12th century view of what war even is!!

@bodiemonnig

2 ай бұрын

No he doesn't.

@philipfreeman896

2 ай бұрын

@@bodiemonnig Average Destiny argument

@bodiemonnig

Ай бұрын

​@@philipfreeman896 , Geneva Conventions

To all those who don't like the word "genocide" - let's call it just genocide-lite, a mini-genocide, genocide-basic package, micro-genocide, or mini-genocide?

Couple of years ago Destiny admitted that he would take certain positions on topics in debate just for the sport of it Even though there isn’t anything wrong with that in general, it can be harmful if he’s successfully arguing in favor of something that’s dangerous just for the sport of it I couldn’t take his debates seriously after learning that I’m not sure if he’s doing that with Gaza but the fact that I’m wondering about his seriousness illustrates my point

@jasonmain6398

2 ай бұрын

Surely you have a source for that very weird claim that definitely didn't happen?

@philipfreeman896

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonmain6398 I love how Destiny's fans' entire purpose in life is saying this like this. You all say it in the exact way too. Some of the most pathetic people on earth

@jasonmain6398

2 ай бұрын

@@philipfreeman896 wow cunning retort chock full of rebuttals. You think you're pathetic attempt at a personal attack does anything but make you look like a loser?

@philipfreeman896

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonmain6398 Im not a Destiny fan, that's enough

@bodiemonnig

Ай бұрын

@@philipfreeman896, If you saw Destiny in real life, you would run like a little baby, you keyboard warrior.

Man, Mr bonatelli sure has some bad arguments

When Nathan said "well look at the Japanese look at their life expectancy" I couldn't stop laughing then or now on rewatch😂😂😂.. dude like .. why does destiny get to be educated by all my heroes in person?? I wanna meet these people.. u sob

It is a concentration camp.

@bodiemonnig

2 ай бұрын

Not even close.

@philipfreeman896

2 ай бұрын

@@bodiemonnig Average Destiny argument

@bodiemonnig

Ай бұрын

@Jin-Kasai97, Average Destiny argument

Destiny is not qualified to opine on Palestine. His getting hung up on the word without considering the mass starvation, elimination of all hospitals and schools , etc, etc. He hasn’t learned anything.

@bodiemonnig

2 ай бұрын

Hamas steals aid.

@ericmacrae6871

2 ай бұрын

he doesn't care what he wants is to support western imperalism

“Genocide is just a word. It depends how you define it.” Precisely right…and Destiny is applying the actual legal definition for the crime of genocide and concluding that the crime requires a higher standard of proof than the current evidence supports. It’s bad faith to criticise his take while acknowledging that you are using a watered down definition but want to keep the word for its morale weight and therefore his argument does not make sense.

@chrisdistant9040

24 күн бұрын

Thank you!

@synchronium24

20 күн бұрын

There are parallel errors here. Leftists (though less so the ones in this video) have trouble criticizing the no good, very bad things that Israel is doing in Gaza without invoking the word "genocide". Destiny will do backflips to defend the no good, very bad things as long as they aren't genocide.

@christophergreen6595

13 күн бұрын

No He is applying his own cherry-picked version of the legal definition in an obvious attempt to derail any and all conversations away from the grossly unjust political situation.

Destiny's doing that William F Buckley thing, find that ONE example to thread the eye of the needle with. WFB absolutely loved positing a 'but Hitler', in any debate, at the drop of a hat.

@BemkyWatchesBuffy

2 ай бұрын

I just compared him in my mind recentlyto the modern Buckley in our Idiocracy universe we slipped into sometime since then

@lukemadrid5711

24 күн бұрын

Destiny makes Buckley look like a good-faith debater

@shannonm.townsend1232

24 күн бұрын

@@lukemadrid5711 quite a feat

Good job by Nathan!

The annoying thing with Destiny is when you give nuance he accuses you of dodging his questions. Not every question can be easily answered

If Israel tries to reduce the 2.3M Gazans to 1.3M, through bombing, because the latter number of Gazans would be better for Israeli national security than the former, and not because of mere bloodthirst, then it is not genocide. That's Mr. Pappardelle's position... I wonder what he would say about the fact that Hitler was trying to achieve a similar goal himself.

@jasonmain6398

2 ай бұрын

Cool how many years do you think it would take Israel to kill that many gazans at this rate? And how fast do you think they could do it if they wanted to?

Mr Banelli Mr Bonorelli Mr Banali

@charleswofford6296

2 ай бұрын

I love that this has become a meme.

@Izrek

2 ай бұрын

MR GARIBALDI!

@lunadyana3330

2 ай бұрын

Mr Dobolino Mr Bob dobolino

@mr.negativenancy5751

2 ай бұрын

Mr Morelli

If you keep running into problems describing something because the terms have Holocaust connotations, you have done a pretty good job of establishing that whatever it is, it ain't GOOD. Declare it a "Holocausty" and move on to what you DO about Holocausties.

Also yes, I am quite sure Destiny throws out bait to get a rise out of people on certain topics so that he can then dismiss them easily as whatever strawman best applies (to call them a tankie or an unrealistic utopian etc), and sure it probably does catch out some people with questionable views but it also comes across like whataboutism, red herring, strawmanning, character assassination etc. And really it is for that bloodsport bs so he can make them angry, laugh at them, his audience can pat him on the back and get some semi-viral clip out of it, all the while he avoids having to actually have to answer a difficult question or hypothetical that might be at the core of it.

i like this nathan robinson guy. for some reason, when i heard the name before, i was thinking of EUGENE Robinson, who is a WaPo reporter, iirc?? Anyways, good panel so far. im a third of the way in or so

1:15 the better question to ask there is where do the 2 overlap

Destiny would probably score very well on an Israel Palestine modern history test/quiz. That doesn't seem to translate to him having a good position on this. He supposedly wants to combat the inflammatory and irresponsible language on the left, which is understandable in some situations, but the hyper focus on technical details when arguing against someone like Nathan here makes it feel like he's just doing this for himself

@christraeger5090

2 ай бұрын

That's been exactly my line of thinking. Pretty impressive historical analysis but almost completely unproductive. I actually like Destiny. I hope he's able to absorb some of the criticism he's receiving from people like Nathan and evaluate his role in the online discourse regarding this conflict.

@bryanwagner289

2 ай бұрын

@@christraeger5090I wish he would talk to Marc Lamont hill again too!

THE WORLD IS MY TOILET!!!!!!

Are we still playing word games on the left? Why not grant that point and move on?

@synchronium24

20 күн бұрын

This is the smart move, regardless of whether one thinks what Israel is doing is genocide. Criticizing the no good, very bad things Israel is doing in Gaza without invoking "genocide" takes away the ability to rebut that criticism with semantic arguments that are irrelevant to those core criticisms.

@chrisdistant9040

20 күн бұрын

@@synchronium24 exactly. But I’m afraid many don’t want to do that because shouting “genocide” is the easy heavy hammer to swing

im not watching this nonsense but why do channels keep promoting destiny? like why???????

@bryanwagner289

2 ай бұрын

Because he’s already amassed a large fan base and it’s important to pick him a part when he’s wrong. I genuinely agreed with a lot of destiny’s takes in the past but lost a lot of respect for him with his take on this conflict. I think Nathan and Marc Lamont Hill have done the best job in taking apart destiny’s arguments. Destiny thrives when people get emotional. When you stay calm and answer his arguments one by one without letting him change the direction of the conversation every time his argument seems weak it exposes him…

@dixztube

2 ай бұрын

@@bryanwagner289 that’s a shame because he’s not a serious thinker at all for the matters he gets involved in. But I get it

@bodiemonnig

Ай бұрын

@@bryanwagner289, Destiny has the correct take here.

@lukemadrid5711

24 күн бұрын

​@@bodiemonnigthe thought of people slaughtered needlessly get your rocks off?

What is happening with Destiny's facial hair?

Mr. Burrata is on his BS again.

Each time you feature Destiny it diminishes my interest in your channel.

@bodiemonnig

2 ай бұрын

Is that because you already watch all of Destiny's content on his channel and don't want to watch the same thing twice?

@ronturner3598

2 ай бұрын

@@bodiemonnig omg. never have never will. he stinks up the room enough to notice him without stooping to that level. everyone is constantly discussing his rancid farts

Destiny is such a guisano.

@bodiemonnig

Ай бұрын

If you saw Destiny in real life, you would run like a little baby, you keyboard warrior.

Mfs on the left have to stop saying "tankie" that shit is so cringe

@synchronium24

20 күн бұрын

Found the tankie.

@lukemadrid5711

20 күн бұрын

@@synchronium24 found the insufferable liberal

Destiny, that ridiculous gadfly.

@gnarmalade8733

2 ай бұрын

This is the perfect name for him. He needs to change his name. Gadfly suits him better

@littleflags

2 ай бұрын

Gadfly is too kind

@littleflags

2 ай бұрын

Norman Finkelstein refers to him as “that thing”

You are somehow, able to discuss PalestineArab kkkkansmen, without even mentioning Arabism's empire of colonial settlers' occupation over North Africa and Southwest Asia -Mideast nations. That is okay for you to be ignoring or distracted, if you do NOT mind looking ignorant or distracted. You are NOT discussing Arabism's empire, because you do NOT think for yourself.

The Allies firebombed Germany

I could be wrond but I think Destiny has the gun on his wall to communicate to viewers that he does own guns, because his house was maybe broken into at some point in the past. But Destiny was also a defender of Rittenhouse, and has suggested that he thinks it should be okay to be able to use deadly force to protect property etc etc, so, who knows really what he is actually trying to communicate there.

Im not a destiny fan in the slightest and this is the first time ive come across you but let me tell you nothing is more cringeworthy than see a group of nerds who've never seen a shred of violence in their life argue about a war halfway across the world in a country they've never been to. My impression of this network is wannabe pundits who care so much about this conflict that they talk about it all the time, but apparently don't care enough to actually go there themselves to help make an actual difference or even do your own reporting. Keep arguing with internet streamers, I'm sure that makes you a hero to the people in Gaza.

@amarrustembegovic9828

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 destiny will not read this comments, get of his little d... fanboy 😑🤡🤦🏻‍♂️

@bodiemonnig

2 ай бұрын

Destiny does Political Canvassing.

two insufferable nerds battle it out

@bronzee548

2 ай бұрын

Destiny is an insult.

Destiny = Urinary