Deluge Gaza -- Norman Finkelstein, Slavoj Zizek, Mouin Rabbani, Razia Iqbal, Colter Louwerse

LIVE ON AVENUE C, a conversation series by OR Books
On the current catastrophe in Gaza with Norman Finkelstein, Slavoj Zizek, Mouin Rabbani, Colter Louwerse, moderated by Razia Iqbal.
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Formats: Paperback, E-Book, Audiobook
Free Chapter by Mouin Rabbani
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About the Book:
DELUGE: Gaza and Israel from Crisis to Cataclysm
Edited by JAMIE STERN-WEINER
Foreword by AVI SHLAIM
With Contributions by
MUSA ABUHASHHASH, AHMED ALNAOUQ, NATHAN J. BROWN, YANIV COGAN, CLARE DALY MEP, TALAL HANGARI, KHALED HROUB, R. J., COLTER LOUWERSE, MITCHELL PLITNICK, MOUIN RABBANI, SARA ROY, AND AVI SHLAIM
SARA ROY, AND AVI SHLAIM
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Table of Contents:
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0:00:00 Introduction and opening remarks; the event is a book launch for "Deluge"
0:06:14 ️ Colter Louwerse: The history of missed peace opportunities
0:12:55 Mouin Rabbani: Regional dynamics and the fallacy of Hamas's motivation
0:20:47 ️ Slavoj Zizek: Personal experiences and philosophical implications
0:27:26 The current state of affairs
0:29:11 Norman Finkelstein: Reasons for hope despite the situation
0:42:53 ️ The possibility of a shift in US foreign policy
0:48:31 ️ Two-state versus one-state solution
0:56:54 ️ The need for a moral reckoning
0:59:49 Potential for change and public perception
1:04:22 ️ The limitations of diplomacy and non-violent resistance
1:24:30 The challenge of changing Israeli society
1:28:26 The entrenched nature of Israeli attitudes
1:34:10 Shifting dynamics within Israeli society
(credit: @nawafdreams)
#gaza #palestine #normanfinkelstein #slavojzizek #mouinrabbani #orbooks

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  • @gojiplusone
    @gojiplusone18 күн бұрын

    Never thought I'd see Norman Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek being that close to a disco ball.

  • @paulchampagne-hx9ob

    @paulchampagne-hx9ob

    17 күн бұрын

    I wouldn't waste my time listening to Zizek anymore. Since he's now recycling his own stolen stories now. However he was in a room with Finkelstein.

  • @ReverseTranscriptase

    @ReverseTranscriptase

    16 күн бұрын

    Slavoj has lost a ton of weight - good on him! Maybe his condition will clear up if he keeps this up.

  • @mandarine1007

    @mandarine1007

    15 күн бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @mandarine1007

    @mandarine1007

    15 күн бұрын

    @@paulchampagne-hx9obbig words! Everybody deserves respect, even you after that unnecessary comment

  • @nightoftheworld

    @nightoftheworld

    13 күн бұрын

    @@paulchampagne-hx9obwhat exactly don’t you like about Zizek’s views?

  • @DemonetisedZone
    @DemonetisedZone19 күн бұрын

    Such a blessing for someone like me sitting in my flat in Glasgow 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to be able to look and listen to people who have a deep knowledge of the subject 👏😊

  • @Mohamed_El-derderi

    @Mohamed_El-derderi

    17 күн бұрын

    Likewise, only substitute Glasgow with Aberdeen

  • @5.1displaysystem53

    @5.1displaysystem53

    15 күн бұрын

    Eyyy Glesgae here tae!

  • @infiniteindieclub

    @infiniteindieclub

    11 күн бұрын

    Howdy fae Dundee

  • @safanamakhdoomable
    @safanamakhdoomable19 күн бұрын

    Mouin Rabbani is also incredibly knowledgeable and has a great sense how to speak publicly

  • @damian4351

    @damian4351

    18 күн бұрын

    He gets somehow overlooked even though he has amazing ability to speak eloquently and respond with great points.

  • @vleontis8940

    @vleontis8940

    16 күн бұрын

    @@damian4351 I agree with you. Mouin is less sensational (if I may use this word) and more low key than Norman and definitely Slavoj. I like his composure and the knowledge capital he brings to such discussions.

  • @vleontis8940

    @vleontis8940

    16 күн бұрын

    @@damian4351 👍🏼

  • @troubadour0663

    @troubadour0663

    16 күн бұрын

    ​@@vleontis8940I think the word you're looking for is "less sensationalist"

  • @nisrinemarchoude5015

    @nisrinemarchoude5015

    15 күн бұрын

    I find Mouin's structured thought astonishing. He spots fallacies and responds by flawless arguments every time.

  • @bigollameo
    @bigollameo19 күн бұрын

    What a panel! Thanks to all the members. Will pick up a copy of "Deluge Gaza" soon.

  • @nazimbahrin3638
    @nazimbahrin363820 күн бұрын

    I will continue to support the Prof and anyone fighting for justice and humanities!

  • @boogeymanundertaker

    @boogeymanundertaker

    10 сағат бұрын

    you support hamas and terrorism

  • @zasterheffor
    @zasterheffor16 күн бұрын

    This video is criminally underviewed.

  • @Helios--

    @Helios--

    2 күн бұрын

    Yes. I just wish they had better audio!

  • @LynaGalliara
    @LynaGalliara18 күн бұрын

    I have enormous respect for the moderator Razia Iqbal for the intelligence, confidence, and eloquence she displayed, moderating a talk of such importance, featuring so many great minds.

  • @raihanasaadouni447
    @raihanasaadouni44716 күн бұрын

    in times like these, I thank god for the invention of the internet! what a privilege to be able to watch this from the comfort of one's living room

  • @zacharyholley9520

    @zacharyholley9520

    10 күн бұрын

    You’d be better off thanking the people who invented the internet, rather then a non existent deity. To which god are you praising? There are so many options

  • @cicolas_nage

    @cicolas_nage

    Күн бұрын

    @@zacharyholley9520 wow you're so smart and not at all an insufferable pedant

  • @zacharyholley9520

    @zacharyholley9520

    Күн бұрын

    @@cicolas_nage Thanks, I am smart. Glad you took notice.

  • @stellabrown909
    @stellabrown90920 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much Professor Norman for getting fully involved in the debates and talks on Gaza, I have learnt so much from you on this topic of the prolonged struggle for freedom of the lovely people of Gaza, I pray and hope that you get to see this day come. I will never forget you as long as I live. so thank you, thank you.

  • @lucavelli9723

    @lucavelli9723

    18 күн бұрын

    💖lovely

  • @Falafel556
    @Falafel55620 күн бұрын

    Norm and Rabbani are the one two punch the best !!!

  • @sandrajayne5446

    @sandrajayne5446

    19 күн бұрын

    NORM: passion unleashed and Rabbani: heartbreaking revelations, ❤❤❤🇸🇩🇸🇩

  • @warikito

    @warikito

    18 күн бұрын

    I agree, both of them are unbelievable knowledgeable about Palestine and its cruel occupation. I keep listening to them learning volumes of information.

  • @thairk
    @thairk19 күн бұрын

    Great Panel discussions by all participants. Good for you Zizek that you reflected in what you said the last months and avoided be part of the dead Europe and dirty place at which Habermas and alike occupy now.

  • @kucutooms8685
    @kucutooms868518 күн бұрын

    These are the discussion that should be made on mainstream media, nt the constant discussion abt politicians' shenanigans.....

  • @vleontis8940
    @vleontis894019 күн бұрын

    All four panelists bring something invaluable to this discussion. I bypass Norman (who is of course the giant anywhere) and I want to draw attention to Slavoj and Colter. Slavoj explained (in his own inimitable way) the state of mind of European political and intellectual leaders. Their double standard is so entrenched in their minds and milieux that they are unable to see it or recognize its illogical and morally vile nature. Germany is the worst of all, but in general, are no longer rational people - with exception of the Irish (so far). This is what any reasonable movement for the liberation of Palestine has to deal with. It’s important to know the background and Slavoj brought it out for us. And watch Colter. He is a great researcher and painstaking chronicler of the situation. He is the future Norman Finkelstein.

  • @l.w.paradis2108

    @l.w.paradis2108

    19 күн бұрын

    Tremendous points. Thank you. When I read something like this, I always ask what you're reading that you might recommend. 😊

  • @dvegule920

    @dvegule920

    19 күн бұрын

    Does Mr. Zizek finally see the EU crooked nature. Because he didn't seem to be aware of it to the beginning of the Ukraine war.

  • @vleontis8940

    @vleontis8940

    19 күн бұрын

    @@l.w.paradis2108 Thank you. I suggest Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” (great historian) and an old, old small book by Noam Chomsky “Manufacturing Consent.” There are a lot of publications on Palestine and many of them are by Israeli or Jewish scholars. I just ordered “Deluge” because it’s a recent update.

  • @safanamakhdoomable
    @safanamakhdoomable19 күн бұрын

    Norman is such a BOSS - moves me to tears sometimes - incredibly just person

  • @jaialaiwarrior

    @jaialaiwarrior

    18 күн бұрын

    He probably moves himself to tears also, especially with his solitary social life and how much he loves the sound of him own voice.

  • @jorgeadame5158
    @jorgeadame515821 күн бұрын

    Norm is such a big balls humanist. Respect

  • @tameemmohsen
    @tameemmohsen21 күн бұрын

    What an amazing panel!! Great minds and hearts sitting side by side

  • @oktayakbas4904

    @oktayakbas4904

    19 күн бұрын

    didn't Slavoj Zizek say "Russians are worse than those Arabs!!" recently on Piers Morgan or something? Do I remember right?

  • @jaialaiwarrior

    @jaialaiwarrior

    18 күн бұрын

    They all look about as miserable as their cause.

  • @b-sideplank
    @b-sideplank19 күн бұрын

    the first time I listened to a Zizek talk completely 😂 To his credit, he spoke with much clarity.

  • @Tawahaj

    @Tawahaj

    18 күн бұрын

    I got used to his way of talking very fast. First time I found it unbearable though 😂

  • @CrazyLinguiniLegs

    @CrazyLinguiniLegs

    17 күн бұрын

    ⁠@@Tawahajsame. At first I was like, “I can’t even focus on what this guy is saying.” But several videos later, I barely noticed his glitches anymore.

  • @marcomarek7734

    @marcomarek7734

    11 күн бұрын

    ​@@Tawahajit's quite a normal tempo 😅

  • @Marxist2
    @Marxist220 күн бұрын

    I wish Norman Finkelstein would go on forever spreading his knowledge & wisdom. Thank you for having him on this panel.

  • @Orion-lt3zz

    @Orion-lt3zz

    20 күн бұрын

    buy his books then.

  • @greguretzky3749

    @greguretzky3749

    19 күн бұрын

    Norman Finkelstein is a selective historian even his quotes are never full, he always selects what will serve his narrative.. this behavior of his cause to the situation we are.. hiding the truth or telling half of it's a crime! I say so thing I thought he is telling the truth till I checked his quotes... and all of them were picky.. check me.. please

  • @dLehman

    @dLehman

    19 күн бұрын

    @@greguretzky3749so we should go and check all his quotes?? Why don’t you ‘select’ some of his selective quotes for us to prove your point. That would be wise. Also, how is his behaviour of being ‘selective’ cause for the situation that we are in.. what situation? You mean he’s responsible for the genocide that Israel is committing against the Palestinians? Such a tall order.. the burden of proof for this rests on your shoulders, mate!

  • @promark5317

    @promark5317

    19 күн бұрын

    @@greguretzky3749 Eli Lake is that you?

  • @ChannelMath

    @ChannelMath

    19 күн бұрын

    @@greguretzky3749 no. why don't you give us just one? we're not your research assistant.

  • @fairdose
    @fairdose12 күн бұрын

    Holy Shit! Norman Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek on the same panel???? This should be broadcast on every progressive KZread channel!

  • @HughCurranAedh
    @HughCurranAedh21 күн бұрын

    Norman and Colter speak with admirable clarity. The situation in Gaza is so depressing that any level of clarity is uplifting...Rabbani said it well as an Israeli leadership is made up of children and have run amok, not comprehending the consequences; In the extreme impunity that is evident in the destruction of Gaza, one must look also at those who support it and allow it to take place. But as Norman said, 80% of Israeli society supports what is taking place. It has become "such an ugly place" and the position it has placed itself, "it is horrible" and Israeli society is not seeing what it has done. Is there a "capacity for self-reform" in Israel?

  • @koyou22

    @koyou22

    15 күн бұрын

    Hi Hugh, I'm an Israeli and I, along with the majority of my statesmen, am misrepresented by Norman. By Normans own admissions he has never been to Israel, doesn't understand the Israeli mentality because he, "doesn't want to" (see lex Friedman's debate), and consistently misrepresents the history (see that same podcast episode which hosted left leaning Israeli historian Beni Morris). There is plenty of internal dialogue in Israel about the current situation. We are a liberal western democracy, we do not celebrate death or violence, we did not initiate the current round of conflict in Gaza. Israel had been pursuing a policy of de-escalation in Gaza up to Oct. 7th. There had been an increase in the number of Gazan Palestinians, who are not Israeli citizens, allowed in to Israel to work, get medical treatment, or travel around the country. Qatari money had been flowing into Gaza at regular intervals, Gazan farmers were selling produce in Israel, and the education, health, infant mortality rate, and other objective markers of life quality were better than in most places in the middle east. This is part of the reason Oct. 7th caught so many Israelis off guard, we had been working hard to try and stabilize the situation and make it better. The current situation is obviously horrible for everyone involved. However, we currently have 133 hostages in the hands of an Islamic extremist organization who has made it clear that they have no intention of returning them. The way things are right now, if we stop we are capitulating to terrorists. The Palestinian people deserve better than their leadership, but we have an obligation to ensure that this kind of action is not seen as a viable strategy by our enemies. Humanitarian aid should flow in as much as possible, and all efforts should be made to minimize civilian casualties, but under no circumstances can Hamas remain in power in Gaza and in control of Israeli civilians (some of which are women children and infants). I'm not sure where you are from, but I'm sure that you would hope that if you found yourself in a similar fate, that your country would do everything in its power to bring you back home.

  • @immortalnightbody

    @immortalnightbody

    15 күн бұрын

    @@koyou22 This is the longest, most poorly-written lie that I have seen in quite some time. Hamas exists because of your lies. Nothing you've said is true. Hamas exists because you and your European ancestors think you have ethnic ties to the land when you do not. No one is buying the bullshit anymore. Might as well talk to a wall.

  • @pratika6352

    @pratika6352

    11 күн бұрын

    I can see why Finkelstein is not interested in visiting Israel. In that long comment lauding your hard work to stabilise relations, all you have described is how you are trying to make a open-air prison viable. You also want the world to appreciate that after dispossessing a population, you are offering them jobs, health, etc. We have not even begun talking about the illegal settlers in West Bank. All in all, it seems pretty obvious how Israelis are quite unable to have any serious dialogue among themselves. They have just come to accept that they are "a western liberal democracy" somehow relocated into the east, and that they will go to no end of violence and deceit to keep things that way.

  • @koyou22

    @koyou22

    11 күн бұрын

    @@pratika6352 I'm sure you have also never been to Israel, and that you likely never will. You've been so inundated with anti-zionist, anti-Israel, and sometimes anti-semetic propaganda that I probably couldn't say anything you wouldn't find fault with. Mostly the people Israelis are most able to have a dialogue with are Arab Israelis and Palestinians. The people who actually live in this region, who actually have the true and full picture of what's happening, don't make the points you make. They know what the true issues are both within their own society and in Israeli society. It's is not true that Gaza is an "open air prison" as you described. I've seen the quality of life there with my own eyes. The restrictions that are put on Gaza stem from the practicalities of sharing a border with a territory run by Islamic extremists who openly state in their charter, and at any available opportunity, that they want to kill you. The dispossession that you speak of was born of the Palestinians own repeated decision to pursue violence instead of diplomacy. If you attack someone for wanting to live with you or near you, and then you fail to kill them, and you continue to loudly tell them that you will kill them at the first opportunity, then don't expect them to trust you or go out of their way to make your life better. Mostly people are ignorant of the violent history and modern attacks committed by Palestinians targeting Israeli civilians happening on a daily basis in Israel. Probably in your case you even think that it's justified, which is a common theme in the Arab world. A wall with Arabs living on one side and Israelis living on the other seems racist, till you look at the second intifada where Israeli civilians were being blown up on commuter busses and restaurants every day. Before the second intifada, for 30 years, there was no separation fence. Today there are almost no suicide attacks in Israel. The Palestinians, in most cases, made their bed, and now are complaining loudly that they don't want to lie in it. Though honestly, I don't think that you are interested in finding solutions to this conflict, because you have no real skin in the game, this is just some interesting topic of discussion for you. You are Muslim, they are Muslim, you root for the home team, regardless of if they are right or not.

  • @Themrsnappyify

    @Themrsnappyify

    11 күн бұрын

    @@koyou22 you are spouting propaganda while telling other people they are brainwashed, you are justifying genocide you fool. wake up

  • @HelbergProductions
    @HelbergProductions20 күн бұрын

    It is interesting to note how Zizek (uncharacteristically) never interjects with a question or joke when the other panelists speak here. It shows how much he genuinely respects their insights and expertise.

  • @ADogNamedElmo

    @ADogNamedElmo

    9 күн бұрын

    He never interjects other panelists

  • @hamonryechinaski180
    @hamonryechinaski18013 күн бұрын

    Can't wait to buy this book. Jamie has done a great job getting chapters off all these great people.

  • @nawafdreams
    @nawafdreams18 күн бұрын

    🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *📚 Introduction and opening remarks* - The event is a book launch for "Deluge," which explores the ongoing crisis in Gaza, - The book highlights the historical context and recent developments in the conflict, - The panelists will discuss the crisis and its potential ramifications. 06:14 *🕊️ Colter Louwerse: The history of missed peace opportunities* - The PLO and Hamas have both expressed willingness for a two-state solution, - Israel and the US have consistently rejected or undermined Palestinian peace initiatives, - The current crisis is a consequence of missed opportunities for peace. 12:55 *🎤 Mouin Rabbani: Regional dynamics and the fallacy of Hamas's motivation* - The claim that Hamas attacked Israel to disrupt a Saudi-Israeli normalization agreement is unfounded, - Such an agreement was unlikely due to US commitments requiring Congressional approval, - Hamas's attack was motivated by broader regional and international neglect of the Palestinian issue. 20:47 *🗣️ Slavoj Zizek: Personal experiences and philosophical implications* - Zizek faced accusations of anti-semitism for acknowledging Palestinian suffering at a German book fair, - He criticizes the depoliticization of the conflict and the unconditional support for Israel in Germany, - Zizek draws parallels between the current situation and the failures of European Enlightenment ideals. 27:26 *🎭 The current state of affairs* - Israel has become increasingly reliant on criminal gangs to control the West Bank, - The Israeli political spectrum has shifted further to the right, with no center or left, - Recent events mark a dangerous new era in the conflict. 29:11 *💪 Norman Finkelstein: Reasons for hope despite the situation* - South Africa's application to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) regarding the Gaza crisis is a significant development, - The ICJ's ruling against Israel and the support from various countries offer a glimmer of hope, - The persistence of young activists and the resilience of the Palestinians inspire continued efforts for change. 42:53 *⚖️ The possibility of a shift in US foreign policy* - Public opinion in the US is shifting towards recognizing the illegitimacy of Israel's actions, - Senator Schumer's recent speech shows a more balanced view of the conflict, - The New York Times comment section reflects a growing understanding of Palestinian rights. 48:31 *🗺️ Two-state versus one-state solution* - Western politicians use the two-state solution as a distraction from their actions that perpetuate the conflict, - Despite challenges, a two-state solution remains feasible, but its desirability is increasingly questioned, - The current Israeli government's stance makes negotiations impossible, and the conflict may continue for a long time. 56:54 *⚖️ The need for a moral reckoning* The high death toll in Gaza demands a moral reckoning for the failure to protect innocent civilians, Western media often downplays or justifies the suffering in Gaza, placing blame on Hamas, It is crucial to challenge this narrative and expose the reality of Israel's actions. 59:49 *✊ Potential for change and public perception* Public recognition of Palestine by several European countries is a positive sign, It is important to shift public perception beyond acknowledging suffering to understanding its root causes, Changing public discourse and challenging dominant narratives are crucial steps in the struggle for justice. 01:01:22 *🗣️ The limitations of diplomacy and non-violent resistance* The brutal blockade and repeated attacks on Gaza have left Palestinians with limited options, Diplomatic efforts and non-violent resistance, such as the Great March of Return, have failed to bring about change, The lack of response to Israel's violence against peaceful protesters raises questions about the effectiveness of non-violent strategies. 01:24:30 *🤨 The challenge of changing Israeli society* - The protest movement in Israel focuses on specific issues like hostage release and judicial reforms but largely avoids addressing the Palestinian question, - Israeli society's long-standing impunity and sense of superiority make it difficult to envision significant change from within, - External pressure and accountability may be necessary to bring about meaningful reform. 01:28:26 *🧱 The entrenched nature of Israeli attitudes* - The current war is not solely attributable to Netanyahu but reflects a broader societal consensus in Israel, - Polling data indicates overwhelming support for Israel's use of force in Gaza, with a significant portion favoring even greater escalation, - Transforming Israeli society will require addressing deep-rooted ideological issues of Jewish superiority and Arab inferiority. 01:34:10 *😨 Shifting dynamics within Israeli society* - The recent events have led to a sense of disillusionment and insecurity among Israelis, particularly those in Tel Aviv who previously enjoyed a sense of normalcy, - There is a growing trend of disinvestment in the national project, with many considering leaving the country, - This internal shift adds complexity to the situation and raises questions about the future of Israeli society. 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  • @jonathanshihadeh
    @jonathanshihadeh20 күн бұрын

    If this was in germany they would all get arrested

  • @aisharasheed8225
    @aisharasheed822519 күн бұрын

    Norman is a legend and the rock star of Palestinian cause… thank you Norman

  • @tahalaperigo9771
    @tahalaperigo977118 күн бұрын

    I agree with Slavoj Norman has to be by far the most admired person historically with admirable honest of historical facts and knowledge like no other person I know. Respect.

  • @jylyhughes5085
    @jylyhughes508521 күн бұрын

    Norman is utterly magnificent

  • @TheInternetFan
    @TheInternetFan16 күн бұрын

    Slavoj Zizek is just awesome! He's so passionate when he points out the fallacies of German politicians in regards to the vengeance of the IDF on Gazawi civilians. He just quoted Primo Levi 22:45 , one of my favourite Italian authors. ❤

  • @samsue2924
    @samsue292420 күн бұрын

    Wow, what a line up.

  • @raheem4real
    @raheem4real19 күн бұрын

    Norman the world's most well-read velociraptor. He's so dedicated he's willing to sit in this room in those hot clothes under that lamp, even at his age. My dad would have refused to do this like even 10 years AGO

  • @Leftseat52UT
    @Leftseat52UT16 күн бұрын

    Excellent presentation! So sorely needed! Thank you!

  • @Lmoes
    @Lmoes17 күн бұрын

    For a split second I misread the video title as including the names "Deleuze" and "Žižek" and got excited. What I actually watched was to me equally interesting. Thank you for the upload

  • @juliusseizure591

    @juliusseizure591

    15 күн бұрын

    Same haha

  • @Lmoes

    @Lmoes

    15 күн бұрын

    ​@@juliusseizure591hehe, I'm happy to hear that I wasn't the only one

  • @MsIdiot000
    @MsIdiot0004 күн бұрын

    SUCH GREAT MINDS AND PEOPLE OF INTEGRITY AND INTELLIGENCE IN ONE PLACE. AWESOME. ❤

  • @crackthefoundation_
    @crackthefoundation_21 күн бұрын

    Thanks all! ❤🇵🇸

  • @lalodaniels1388
    @lalodaniels138819 күн бұрын

    I want my only child to be as principled a human being as Norman Finklestein.

  • @noahghost4476

    @noahghost4476

    19 күн бұрын

    Fink is a sneaky liar. He tried to say he didn't know how bad oct 7 was until 10 days later. His argument is based on the writings of Benny Morris, who says Fink misinterpreted. Israel was attacked over and over and over. Intolerant, hateful people tricked you into supporting evil.

  • @tonybanks1035

    @tonybanks1035

    19 күн бұрын

    you're living in a crazy period in which a demented extremist that praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorists has the reputation of a great humanist. There has rarely been more moral confusion in the west than currently.

  • @DavidDemurs

    @DavidDemurs

    18 күн бұрын

    You want him to hate himself and be a hypocrite?

  • @lalodaniels1388

    @lalodaniels1388

    18 күн бұрын

    @@DavidDemurs@DavidDemurs, I want my daughter to dedicate her life to never being afraid and always being honest. That is a righteous person.

  • @lalodaniels1388

    @lalodaniels1388

    18 күн бұрын

    ​@@Liberte-bq5rc, you don't know what you're talking about. It would help if you were more transparent; that way, no one would be confused or misunderstand any facts. I also want my daughter to have the ability to communicate facts clearly, another Norman Finkelstein skill. I suppose it's easy when you are as honest as he is.

  • @Goodspaceguy
    @Goodspaceguy18 күн бұрын

    My partner and I are in Brooklyn and super bummed we missed this

  • @shanihandel9621
    @shanihandel962119 күн бұрын

    Excellent, thank you! ✊❤️🇵🇸

  • @Chowringhee
    @Chowringhee19 күн бұрын

    Outstanding in every respect. These are true humanitarians in the best sense of the word. Great to see Razia, too.

  • @BatkoMakhno-go1sr
    @BatkoMakhno-go1sr18 күн бұрын

    Everyone was on point as usual but Zizek was especially spitting, his insights are so original and important, I love that man

  • @FrankReif
    @FrankReif18 күн бұрын

    I'm shocked the algorithm allowed me to find this.

  • @lucavelli9723

    @lucavelli9723

    18 күн бұрын

    Exactly

  • @galmunk

    @galmunk

    18 күн бұрын

    Way, i got it and im Israeli, idias are like water, easy to spread, regardless of reality or substance solutions. Its in the benefits of china and Russia thet the west will despite between each other

  • @deanmcinerney2324

    @deanmcinerney2324

    18 күн бұрын

    Why? As soon as you look at Palestine on YT it all comes up. Google has behaved itself compared with Meta.

  • @merzoukanis7550

    @merzoukanis7550

    6 күн бұрын

    me too man

  • @t-man1385
    @t-man138518 күн бұрын

    Norman and Rabbani. So much respect

  • @AtakanAltay
    @AtakanAltay19 күн бұрын

    closing the window and saying no problem. People who call themselves philosophers always do this. thank you norman

  • @user-eo6uz7ck7x
    @user-eo6uz7ck7x19 күн бұрын

    Mind blowing discussions, thank you all for standing up for justice.

  • @onatone
    @onatone21 күн бұрын

    Ty for re-uploading this with better sound 🙏

  • @22many77

    @22many77

    21 күн бұрын

    how about just cut out that crypto fascist zizek

  • @meshzzizk

    @meshzzizk

    21 күн бұрын

    @@22many77 🙄🙄🙄

  • @conorknapp6764
    @conorknapp676420 күн бұрын

    I am glad to see a panel with figures like Finkelstein and Zizek on it since, while they are both undeniably leftist thinkers, they have held radically different views on the situation in Gaza and I believe a lot can be gained as a listener from hearing different viewpoints rather than having a group who simply agree with each other on every point of the issue. And to anyone who mocks Slavoj for his speech impediment, you are the fool staring at the wise man’s finger while he points to the moon

  • @koshka02
    @koshka0214 күн бұрын

    Oh wow, all the superstars. What a treat this is.

  • @paulalexander5358
    @paulalexander535815 күн бұрын

    'NO SILVER LINING IN A GENOCIDE'...that's PURE GOLD...!!!

  • @mogh2603
    @mogh26034 күн бұрын

    Norman is my hero, he is a living saint , I have enormous respect and love for him

  • @FenrirFluffyFreyja
    @FenrirFluffyFreyja19 күн бұрын

    Maybe we need to have the Israelis take a walk inside Palestine Gaza to see with their own eyes what has been going on to help them change just like was done to German people at the end of ww2.

  • @itzelouise8714

    @itzelouise8714

    19 күн бұрын

    Noo they will start building houses and picking lands immediately 😤

  • @darling_tonia
    @darling_tonia7 күн бұрын

    What a great panal! Such a fan of Mouin Rabbani, whose dry contempt for the racism and hypocrisy of the Zs is one of the only things keeping me sane for the last half year...

  • @DipherOneCICrew
    @DipherOneCICrew17 күн бұрын

    Wouldve loved to hear Alain Badiou on this panel, he went through a similar thjng to Slavoj earlier jn the 2000s when he wrote about Israel/Palestine and being accused publicly of antisemitism. Great panel tho, Norman is truly a great man.

  • @user-we8tw7xu1b
    @user-we8tw7xu1b20 күн бұрын

    Bravo

  • @saqibsultantemuri2437
    @saqibsultantemuri243718 күн бұрын

    Such a deep dive Discussion. What a shame KZread trying to suppress this gathering. Two days online now, with those names, only 29k views with 1.5k likes, 300 comments.

  • @l.w.paradis2108
    @l.w.paradis210819 күн бұрын

    Good grief, always saw through Habermas. Never could stand him.

  • @Salman-sc8gr
    @Salman-sc8gr20 күн бұрын

    What did they do to Arafat after he bent backwards to accept Oslo? Barricaded in his residence, cut off electricity and finally poisoned him.

  • @michaelmcdonagh5104

    @michaelmcdonagh5104

    19 күн бұрын

    Yes

  • @DrXtoph
    @DrXtoph19 күн бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @DrXtoph
    @DrXtoph19 күн бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @paulshafee7798
    @paulshafee779820 күн бұрын

    Wonderful event, many more please O/R books

  • @ferdwenen4892
    @ferdwenen489219 күн бұрын

    Wauw.. this line up is something else

  • @subversivelysurreal3645
    @subversivelysurreal364519 күн бұрын

    If anyone is interested in a conversation with the attorney from Nicaragua, see The Grayzone.

  • @lucavelli9723
    @lucavelli972318 күн бұрын

    What a fascinating meeting. This is a great source of knowledge for those particularly interested in the P and I conflict. I wish all people can watch this instead of watching incompetent reporters on mainstream media. These are real competent intellectuales who report and document knowledge objectively and transparently. People should listen to these for truth. Otherwise they are giving chance to agenda-driven institutions to brainwash them.

  • @simonsteen-andersen3181
    @simonsteen-andersen318119 күн бұрын

    Thank you for this conversation

  • @disneykilledstarwars
    @disneykilledstarwars21 күн бұрын

    4k video, thank YOU very much

  • @saeedmir7999
    @saeedmir799918 күн бұрын

    thank you guys.

  • @timbarry5080
    @timbarry508021 күн бұрын

    "If we can all pipe down".. lol

  • @dieterbarkhoff1328
    @dieterbarkhoff132820 күн бұрын

    Hooray for Nicaragua!!!!!

  • @joyofnothing
    @joyofnothing10 күн бұрын

    The Nicaragua question is excellent because it is so blindingly obvious. There’s someone steadfast in their logic. 💪🏽

  • @Tily0507
    @Tily050715 күн бұрын

    Wow. Thank you whoever put these people together.

  • @Heinrick192
    @Heinrick19214 күн бұрын

    Thank the algorithm for bringing me here. Great panel!

  • @spooky_mane
    @spooky_mane17 күн бұрын

    Thank you for this video!

  • @Peace2051
    @Peace205119 күн бұрын

    A technical suggestion: next time please hook the camera into the sound system rather than depend on the camera microphone to pick up the ambient sound in the room. The result will be less muffled. But a great panel discussion!

  • @shysonofficial
    @shysonofficial20 күн бұрын

    thanks for this, sharing knowledge is the key to peace

  • @WordToMomsYo
    @WordToMomsYo18 күн бұрын

    Damnit, I wish i had known in advance about this event, would've loved to have been in attendance. At any rate, thanks for the upload!

  • @irabraus9478
    @irabraus947818 күн бұрын

    Slavoj exposes the obscenity of the affirmative, "Absolutely!"

  • @user-ix7qb4du6k
    @user-ix7qb4du6k19 күн бұрын

    Deleuze's treatment of Nietzsche's of "resentemont' ( (French... as Nietzche intended)... in his book "Nietzsche "... Screams. Why is Zizek the only person speaking fluently at this event.... except for the Chair Lady. Hats off to Chair Lady and Zizek. Awesome. I need this. I'll pay you back latter. Great thanks, James.

  • @hughmac13

    @hughmac13

    17 күн бұрын

    _Ressentiment._ French, as Nietzsche intended (to translate or not being a central question for the philologist), but arising from the lack of a suitable term in the German.

  • @DipherOneCICrew

    @DipherOneCICrew

    17 күн бұрын

    Nietzsche had the diametrically opposite view to Rousseau regarding pity. Not sure if Nietzsche would have much value in a discussion such as this

  • @EM-od6yr
    @EM-od6yr11 күн бұрын

    Appreciated Colter's contributions. Was very direct about the ways in which Israel has always acted in bad faith, and in pointing out the media's role in misinforming the public and coming up with false narratives.

  • @joesabet2001
    @joesabet200119 күн бұрын

    Going to buy right now! Good to know, great presentation! ❤

  • @MichalisKarakatsanis
    @MichalisKarakatsanis20 күн бұрын

    I believe, even only based on personal experiences, that it rather useless to discuss about future state-related solutions. We need to start with material conditions: who is going to build infrastructure, houses, systems of governance. Then we see how it goes

  • @vleontis8940

    @vleontis8940

    19 күн бұрын

    Sorry Michali, no infrastructure is going to be built unless political entities (within and without Israel) know for whom and on whose land they are building.

  • @emilianosintarias7337

    @emilianosintarias7337

    19 күн бұрын

    i kind of disagree, i think the 2 state solution is important and that the world should recognize a Palestinian state right now

  • @rez_tu
    @rez_tu20 күн бұрын

    Wow 😮what an amazing panel ❤

  • @zovalentine7305
    @zovalentine730512 күн бұрын

    " Every life is a whole world " ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @isync0025
    @isync002519 күн бұрын

    The only thing that was critically missing from such informative presentations is a historical timeline chart that pinpoints the major events sequentially and ties the narratives visually and intellectually. Great regards and respect to all of your efforts, support & voice.

  • @IMA321
    @IMA32117 күн бұрын

    I'm a simple man. I see Norman Finkelstein, I click.

  • @Zagros_1948

    @Zagros_1948

    17 күн бұрын

    From which side ?? 😂😂😂

  • @lilnoir4213

    @lilnoir4213

    17 күн бұрын

    @@Zagros_1948 From the jew hating side of course.

  • @SvalbardSleeperDistrict

    @SvalbardSleeperDistrict

    17 күн бұрын

    @@lilnoir4213 🤡

  • @lucavelli9723

    @lucavelli9723

    16 күн бұрын

    @@lilnoir4213 try something new and creative. That has been exhausted to the point that it no longer means what is intended to mean. Norman dismantled all this fake narrative single-handedly.

  • @lilnoir4213

    @lilnoir4213

    16 күн бұрын

    ​@@lucavelli9723 Intresting, before you even know my critic you can already dismiss it. You are in deep propaganda my friend :)

  • @stellamillburn6145
    @stellamillburn61459 күн бұрын

    Brilliant panel, brilliant discussion, thank you all so much

  • @nexusyang4832
    @nexusyang483217 күн бұрын

    Woah!!! Prof Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek together!!!!

  • @crizish
    @crizish18 күн бұрын

    Great panel discussion! On a side note …. I was listening to this without video and could swear McFly was on the panel. There is a “Back to the Future” sentiment with this conflict.

  • @isync0025
    @isync002519 күн бұрын

    prof. Colter Louwerse, any link to your PhD thesis, please?

  • @KyloRein-mr5qq
    @KyloRein-mr5qq20 күн бұрын

    It’s really inspiring to listen amongst all the , eye boggling gaslighting in the west . Thank you all I’m not giving up # boycott Israeli goods get the app No 🙏

  • @foufoumohammed1537
    @foufoumohammed153721 күн бұрын

    People hating on zizek in the comments, obviously he is the least engaged person in this topic in part of detailing the conflict and probably the least knowledgeable but other than that I don't see a problem with his analysis even if he personalized it a little bit

  • @Facerip

    @Facerip

    19 күн бұрын

    They dont understand him or dont know who he is.

  • @diogenes2550
    @diogenes255015 күн бұрын

    Do you condemn Habermas?

  • @knowledgeispower6726

    @knowledgeispower6726

    9 күн бұрын

    That earns a ⭐

  • @syafiqsya465
    @syafiqsya46519 күн бұрын

    Thanks prof norman

  • @l.w.paradis2108
    @l.w.paradis210819 күн бұрын

    ❤❤❤ Norman Finkelstein ❤❤❤

  • @ingridhildebrandt8053
    @ingridhildebrandt805319 күн бұрын

    The ICJ has urgently to be reformed. Please help to spread this thought.

  • @Salman-sc8gr
    @Salman-sc8gr20 күн бұрын

    The rogue entity did 1109,the world remained blind.

  • @pingpongo69420
    @pingpongo6942018 күн бұрын

    Damn what a lineup of thinkers. This is gonna be a good video

  • @raycooper1943
    @raycooper194321 күн бұрын

    Zizek adds an important perspective.

  • @hikmatmana1

    @hikmatmana1

    20 күн бұрын

    He is a charlatan

  • @bryc528

    @bryc528

    20 күн бұрын

    @@hikmatmana1how does what he says here substantiate your claim? He brings immensely important perspective by pointing out the absurdity of only subversion being labelled political, as if the dominant hegemonic systems are somehow not political. It’s typical tactics of the owning class to manufacture consent for their unjust monopoly of violence and power.

  • @hikmatmana1

    @hikmatmana1

    20 күн бұрын

    @bryc528 What is this "immensely important prospective" Zezik is bringing here? Decode his pasturing and tell me where is the substance?

  • @paddystatofield

    @paddystatofield

    20 күн бұрын

    ​@@hikmatmana1 when you consider his lifelong pro-European stance, him saying "what is happening now in Gaza is the death of Europe" is pretty substantial

  • @Facerip

    @Facerip

    19 күн бұрын

    @@hikmatmana1You have no clue what you’re talking about.

  • @user-df3sx2vl3l
    @user-df3sx2vl3l19 күн бұрын

    Penetrating insights by all concerned, Great discussion.

  • @khurramaziz2430
    @khurramaziz243012 күн бұрын

    Norman and Slavoj Zizek❤

  • @kimnielsen146
    @kimnielsen14621 күн бұрын

    Norman is always pure gold never seen the man just talking always facts backed up to his speech an amazing man without doubt ❤

  • @marygoff5472

    @marygoff5472

    20 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much!!☮️👏🏼☮️🙏🏼💕

  • @mathiswiss3305
    @mathiswiss330516 күн бұрын

    What an interesting and inspiring discussion 👍 thank you all ! Great to listen to humanistic minds. Greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭

  • @jayboom3918
    @jayboom391816 күн бұрын

    The 100th monkey, if enough people from a society, in this case the global society, stand up for a certain thing, history will be changed and altered. Therefore, even if it seemingly has no impact, every motion in a certain direction is valid and just requires enough voices behind it.