The utter BS is solely outlined by the fact that in one moment he brings up Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent as a point as to why you can’t trust moneyed interests in journalism, then turns around another moment claiming that his donors have no affect on what he produces. Complete double speak.

@user-jq5jx8nn5h

2 жыл бұрын

Journalism for profit is not the same as donations. Example would be CNN+ is journalism for profit, it required subscriptions to say afloat. If someone gave a donation to CNN because they like their work, and have no say over CNN because of the donation, is NOT the same as for profit journalism. It's vital to have the critical thinking to differentiate between these massive distinctions because they produce drastically different results.

@tonycampbell1424

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-jq5jx8nn5h How is needing subscribers vs needing "donors" any different in terms of function? They're both a financial incentive to preach what the choir wants to hear.

@johnkobert307

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-jq5jx8nn5h you don't think he's making money ?? You don't think he's making profit 😂😂

@warmlycalculated390

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnkobert307 Nonsense! I'm sure that sharp suit and flashy watch appeared on him through sheer force of will.

@warmlycalculated390

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-jq5jx8nn5h bro do you even know what money is

I genuinely can’t understand how people who claim to care about cancel culture would oppose due process and union representation to prevent arbitrary firings.

@LetsGetitBoah

Жыл бұрын

What about firings that are clearly justified but the union won't allow them to happen?

@kingzut

Жыл бұрын

@@LetsGetitBoah if they are clearly justified then it goes through moderation and the person is fired

@scottconover7569

Жыл бұрын

Be a their first goal is to defend the elite billionaires. It’s what they do. Everything else is secondary to them. I wish their religion was true, because at some point that would mean Jesus is coming back pissed off.

@kingzut

Жыл бұрын

@Odie what?

@mokied

Жыл бұрын

@@LetsGetitBoah @MrPhantomShade what about criminal who is obviously guilty, but get exonerated by a jury?

I actually don't know if I can listen to this. Jame and Tim are such bad actors that it's impossible to have a good faith discussion.

@mr.negativenancy5751

2 жыл бұрын

It's so bad. Their arguments are non-existent, but they say just the right things to make themselves feel smart.

Wow, Ben walking into the lions den here. Not only the whole panel but the entire crowd as well.

"you don't have to yell Ben" - The Moderator The audience is literally yelling over Burgis every time he speaks, and is interrupted continuously. He actually literally has had to yell this entire time. The moderator is trash.

@2superstobie

Жыл бұрын

He dodges the sustenance of arguments and devolves to name calling and slander the audience can't stand his bullshit.

I love how O'Keefe keeps referring to himself as a "journalist". Come on buddy.

World class patience and argumentation from Ben in the face a pathetic and servile audience. Subbed.

@daveh6424

Жыл бұрын

I love the way lefties view the world. They can't even entertain the idea that they are wrong. Plus the entire panel had to tell him to stop yelling.

@AkiRa22084

9 ай бұрын

Was this written on opposite day?

james sounds like a deflecting coward here, and it was so rich to hear him say “let me finish” as if the entire panel and audience doesn’t cut ben off every time he opens his mouth

@carnivorepolice5-0

2 жыл бұрын

Bull shit the first ten minutes of this video was a blow hard trying to be relevant he made bo valid points or arguments just crap accusations I'm going to try to watch the rest, if this is the best this socialist can do, no wonder they fail.

@jorygoldsmith250

Жыл бұрын

When he gets asked directly about whether he accused Ben of thinking it was OK to say the N-word and he just says can't talk now bro just watch vid

Ben: Lays out how unions are relevant to media manipulation. Tim: Unions are completely irrelevant to media manipulation! I tell you hwat... somethin ain't right with that boy.

@cmiozzi8940

2 жыл бұрын

I was never a Pool fan but this turned me off him forever.

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

@@cmiozzi8940 I bounced in and out of his echo chamber in about a week. These conservative entertainers are appealing to LARPers and NPCs. The passive audience. If you ever think to yourself "I like what he said, but I wonder if it is true," you are gonna be quickly repulsed away. Only the "I like what he said" people stay. It's just harder (not impossible) to con a lib/lefty, and T pool is looking for the ez grift.

"No donor has ever told me what to do." No, because donors know what they're getting when they give to you.

@VincentTroia

2 жыл бұрын

simple as that

@jcspoon573

2 жыл бұрын

This is a massive factor to political donations that people do not consider as much as they should.

@mynameisjefferson3771

2 жыл бұрын

It’s quite astounding how some people (namely O’Keefe and Pool) are so amoral they’ll use whatever rhetorical tactic they can find to disguise what’s false as a truth.

@jocksharerock7318

2 жыл бұрын

wvu05 Hard to watch. 3 bad faith and one actual human being.

@zackamania6534

2 жыл бұрын

Dude lies like most of us breathe

James literally explains that media is bad when it reacts to market forces by not pissing off their advertisers, but can't fathom how that applies to him and his donors.

@gazesalso645

2 жыл бұрын

He just mentioned Manfacturing Consent but still doesn't get it? He's not being serious.

@cmiozzi8940

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent point

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" - Upton Sinclair.

Tim complaining about click-bait journalism is incredible.

@jordandubin

2 жыл бұрын

What journal does Tim Pool most cite (read: screenshot without its letterhead and post to Twitter)? I believe the correct answer is The Daily Mail’s online celebrity gossip trash rag. Dim Tool plagiarizes certified monarchist-owned media and can’t even link the articles whose titles he reads, exclusively. Such a good journalist.

@thetoastedyeti5303

2 жыл бұрын

TRUE 😂😂

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

T pool DESTROYS click-bait with HONEST and CHILL youtube VIDEO titles. Once upon a time he could maybe actually call himself a journalist. He did some field work. Kinda. Now he's a vlogger. The dude reads (and misrepresents) actual journalists' work to a conservative audience.

@monotech20.14

Жыл бұрын

Or Tim saying that he reads both right and left news orgs and see what is true and fact base or not.

@aristizle8797

Жыл бұрын

@@monotech20.14 Yeah. timbah on toast did a good video on that. t pool wants to be a conservative grifter while pretending not to be.

Damn James really didn’t want to say who his donors are lmao

@jocksharerock7318

2 жыл бұрын

And he couldn’t answer simple questions that would show him to be the liar he is.

what was the purpose of having tulsi on this panel lmfao.

@1Gigawatt

2 жыл бұрын

Aloha vibes

@wvu05

2 жыл бұрын

Eye candy

@davidchidester5463

2 жыл бұрын

To preserve the spirit of Aloha.

@cybervoid8442

Жыл бұрын

@@wvu05 they should ask her to wear her surfing outfit then. She clearly didn't contribute anything to he discussion

@wvu05

Жыл бұрын

@@cybervoid8442 There's gotta be some degree of plausible deniability.

Some light at the end if the tunnel: Ben’s closing comment about you aren’t serious about freedom of speech by trying to get blue collar workers fired got some mild claps as opposed to none at the beginning. Tulsi gonna grift as grifters do and the other 3 of just POS. Literally garage people.

@iHeartOiSkanks

2 жыл бұрын

So you’re ok with a teacher calling a student the N-Word?

@anotherslice2269

2 жыл бұрын

@@iHeartOiSkanks so you're okay with the holocaust? why are you okay with the holocaust? why are you getting so upset that i'm surrounding you with cameras with light shined on your face while i confront you about the FACT that you are okay with the holocaust? does your mom know you're a nazi? let's call her right now adn see how she feels about this. #journalism

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

​@@iHeartOiSkanks Cultural conservatives are cringe.

26:37 if James had actually read and understood "Manufacturing Consent", he would understand that his donors don't have to EXPLICITLY tell him to do anything. Their expectations of Project Veritas are implicitly expressed by their finacial contributions. What a ghoul.

@odeode4338

2 жыл бұрын

That’s true but isn’t that the case in any sense? Me supporting Ben or me buying a newspaper subscription, is that any different, if so can you explain where the difference is?

@odeode4338

2 жыл бұрын

@sincronot yes. I do, or at leas I think I do. But please explain to me why one is different from the other? Maybe it’s in the nuance that I as non native English speaker don’t get.

@seanpatrick1243

2 жыл бұрын

@sincronot Do you know what disingenuous means? “No donor has ever told us what to do.” They don’t have to, because your defense of their positions in implicit and far more manipulative and dangerous than if you did do direct advertising for them, as you are very well aware.

@seanpatrick1243

2 жыл бұрын

@sincronot I don't have to prove anything. O'keefe had to be transparent with his funding. Now go cry.

@giovincomaz2175

2 жыл бұрын

Their donors wants to expose Mainstream Media?

Tulsi is just eye candy for the audience. every time she's asked her opinion, the crowd can't help but applaud before she even says a word. the thirstyness of the incels in the crowd is just so c r i n g e

Its like watching a university professor debate a politician and two kindergardeners!!!

@jhlfsc

2 жыл бұрын

The audience was functioning at about a 3-4 year old level so it was perfect then.

@krandlez

2 жыл бұрын

i see more well behaved audiences at mma events

@cleartexas

2 жыл бұрын

the dehumanization of the masses is well played here, this is well done 👏 classic "we're smarter than them" logic that, well while it wont play to the masses that we've just insulted, at least we'll know we were right, if even in our own mind

@jhlfsc

2 жыл бұрын

@@cleartexas Facts aren't "insulting", they are simply facts.

Actually shocking how O'Keefe goes from talking about the pernicious effect of money on journalism to five minutes later being like "actually we aren't technically CONTRACTUALLY obligated to our donors." Incredible.

@cullenn2100

2 жыл бұрын

It is *fiduciarily* incorrect, the most egregious form of incorrect!

@hadronoftheseus8829

2 жыл бұрын

O'Keefe's brazenness is not too much more shocking than someone who nonchalantly masturbates in the presence of his pets. He knows he can safely assume they won't understand what's going on.

@MediaBuster

2 жыл бұрын

You're not to smart to see the difference and the point he made? Let me help you. Politicians that run for office and get small donor money aren't beholden to them the way politicians that get big corporate donations. See it now? Or it is still too hard?

@voxomnes9537

2 жыл бұрын

@@MediaBuster “No donor has ever told us what to do.” They don’t have to, because O'Keefe's defense of their positions is implicit and far more manipulative and dangerous than if he did do direct advertising for them, as you are very well aware. Clown.

@jordandubin

2 жыл бұрын

@@MediaBuster still too hard for us smooth brains but thanks for your earnest efforts. Must suck being so much smarter than everyone you try to educate - but then isn’t that the ultimate occupational hazard for pedagogues and busters of media? Godspeed.

So much bad faith displayed on stage that I thought Ben was attending an Evangelical megachurch!

James O’Keefe proving he doesn’t understand how manufacturing consent works when he talks about not being beholden to donors because “they don’t tell him what to do” is just… chefs kiss

@VeniVizzleVici

2 жыл бұрын

O' Keefe most likely has donors and of course they influence him. James is one man. Think about the entirety of the mainstream media(all of it), that falls in lockstep with one another. Is this ethical?

ben burgis makes a good point crowd : BOOOOOO

@miskakerdez3750

2 жыл бұрын

Mindlessly rooting for their "team." Substance has nothing to do with it.

Totally lopsided event, three right-wingers, and just one left-winger. But glad Ben took on O'Keefe and Pool, good job!

I love how they have an event with a progressive leftist and three conservatives so they could obviously have the whole crowd against Ben

@chrispark7010

2 жыл бұрын

three conservatives? Tim is NOT is a conservative. Okeefe is the only conservative on stage.

@Nick-yv1wy

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrispark7010 hahahaha they got you fooled. Tim has supported states controlling women, he’s running away from any leftist stance that he might’ve at once pandered toward and now he’s embracing fascists

@Nick-yv1wy

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrispark7010 and if you’ve followed Tusli at all since 2016, you’d realize she’s become a Fox News poster child, going in about culture war nonsense and aligning with the GOP on everything or flat out ignoring any position that would make her appear to be a progressive in 2022.

@Nick-yv1wy

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrispark7010 Conservative is probably too vague. They’re all wannabe populists who actually don’t care about workers or any civili rights apart from the 2nd amendment tropes.

@sinatra222

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrispark7010 Tim most certainly is a conservative

Tim Pool saying he can’t take a statement seriously on the basis of some lack of objectivity or journalistic integrity - the ultimate projection, the most delicious lack of self awareness, the transparent grift of it all. It’s only magnified by the presence and occupations of those seated beside him.

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

Master media manipulator chicken city has arrived. Tim pool is top brass in the business of manipulating morons to distrust the media that at least sucks less than he does.

@timpoolsdad9281

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, timmie slid down a steep rabbit hole, and I don't think he can climb out.

@jordandubin

2 жыл бұрын

@@timpoolsdad9281 it’s lined with tin foil all the way down. Your son’s a goner, sir.

@inajosmood

2 жыл бұрын

These words in this order. Magnificent and on point

@AndrewTate2Prison

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I wish Tim would visit me in Chicago and show me what a "working class hero" he is and where he grew up, etc. lol

7:38 James: "A video can't allege anything. It's an inanimate recording. . ." My God. Can the faith be any badder? lmao

@SeanWinters

2 жыл бұрын

literally every thing Ben says starts with an insult, absolute statements and bad faith bullshit. He got treated way better by his opponents and the audience than he deserved. Ben is a deceptive, spiteful, pseudo intellectual has been.

@odeode4338

2 жыл бұрын

I just commented about that because I felt Ben saying it was allegedly is misleading. Can I ask you, why is it in bad faith when I see and hear a person saying a thing on a recording?

@mr.negativenancy5751

2 жыл бұрын

@@odeode4338 well Ben didn't say it was ok first off. James put those words out. And if that were true, then how does an omission implicate anything?

@user-jq5jx8nn5h

2 жыл бұрын

Allegation is claiming something happend. A video for the most part conclusively shows when that thing happened, in particular if the recording is of someone speaking. You're no longer alleging they said something you have a recording of them saying it. Please understand this difference because your mental gymnastics is not a good look for liberal and left leaning ideas. Paints the naive and emotional stereotype of the left which is not good.

@iHeartOiSkanks

2 жыл бұрын

Cleary you jest

Ben's explanation just goes over Tim's head

@hadronoftheseus8829

2 жыл бұрын

Pool often pretends to be even less intelligent than he is, as expediency dictates. He's pandering to a target audience, and that audience is uneducated, physically unattractive, IQ sub 90 white men under thirty desperately seeking to assuage the sting of their own mediocrity.

@emm8357

2 жыл бұрын

Tim clearly thinks he’s genius level smart. In reality, every time he opens his mouth we see the opposite is true.

@Bisquick

2 жыл бұрын

Much like his hair, allegedly.

@JMark-xh1fz

2 жыл бұрын

@@emm8357 but he’s smarter then you and has a following you’re nobody lol

@jordandubin

2 жыл бұрын

*beanie

Horribly disrespectful. Absolute goons

@mr.negativenancy5751

2 жыл бұрын

It was almost funny if thousands of people didn't take it at face value. Ben gave a perfectly good response, but they all heard "he's ok with the n-word in school."

@friendoftheshow8117

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.negativenancy5751 Actual swine, I say! Dude at the popcorn stand made bank, for sure.

This crowd is so trash. Good job Ben, this wasn’t easy ..

This mediator is a joke lol.

@cmiozzi8940

2 жыл бұрын

'Ben you don't have to yell' 'Actually I do!'

@Ocinneade345

2 жыл бұрын

There was one?

Imagine having a 3-1 advantage and still losing to Ben lol

@ericmacrae6871

2 жыл бұрын

right-winger are all air but no teeth

@nicdem7619

2 жыл бұрын

Truth wins with ppl who understand reality. And slime is easy to pick out

@ericmacrae6871

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicdem7619 yet all to often people don't want to actually deal with reality and pick and choose what they want to hear

@nicholasrapose196

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericmacrae6871 you probably don’t want to hear this, but…. too*

@MediaBuster

2 жыл бұрын

What did Ben win?

Around 26:00… Tim talking about catering to audiences is hilarious. Tim would lose his audience so fast if he started saying things conservatives didn’t like. What a clown.

@mitchclark1532

2 жыл бұрын

He's one of the most audience-aware people on KZread

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

He'll stop reading a news story aloud if he sees something ahead that his audience won't like. He's a liberal like Prager for Prager U is a liberal. He's not. His audience knows that. timbah on toast has good videos about this.

@cleartexas

2 жыл бұрын

when you're talking conservatives are you talking about rinos or Patriots? cause most Patriots give 2 shits about the republican party. clarify your language so that it makes more sense

@R.E.E.D.

2 жыл бұрын

So he should say things he doesn't believe to make people like you happy? And then what? You'd call him a grifter? So he's a grifter in your eyes either way? Nah, that'd be too ideologically consistent for you. You'd love him if he was on your side.

@Rawlsrocks

Жыл бұрын

"Tim would lose his audience so fast if he started saying things conservatives didn’t like." You mean like saying on his show on multiple occasions that Trump lost the election? Also, his audience aren't just conservatives. His audience is composed of disaffected liberals, independents, libertarians AND conservatives.

Holy shit, Tim presents an example of exactly the thing Ben just laid out and uses it unironically to attack Ben. And the crowd cheers! What the actual fuck?

@thetoastedyeti5303

2 жыл бұрын

What’s crazy is that for a pseudo-intellectual “journalist” and an internet beanie baby who bitch about censorship all the time, they have a problem with Ben pointing out the root problem of media manipulation.

@jocksharerock7318

2 жыл бұрын

StuntpilootStef Tim was pathetic indeed! One of the biggest perpetrators of misinformation and deceptive edits who purports to go after the “bad” guys So self unaware that he’s a nefarious figure as he’s the dictionary definition for what Ben described

@CaptainGrat75

Жыл бұрын

There’s little to no point trying to convince the crowd. The crowd are mostly so far gone you may as well ship them off to China as objects. These people are there to boo leftists and cheer conservatives. Plus many conservatives aren’t working class, they don’t care.

@thetoastedyeti5303

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainGrat75 no literally

I thought manufacturing consent suggested that if you do have big doners/advertisers (or an employer who cares about doners/advertisers) you are probably already representing their interests as you have been selected for sponsorship by the same interests.

@voxomnes9537

2 жыл бұрын

O'Keefe didn't read the book.

@jocksharerock7318

2 жыл бұрын

Vox Omnes The thing about the expression about those not learning their history are doomed to repeat it goes a couple different ways. In other words, for O’Keefe, he comes across as such an evil player that he would love the horrors of history to repeat itself. Whether he reads Chomsky or not, he’s going to use it to his ends. Where Chomsky covers issues of concern, O’Keefe would see it as a playbook

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

That's part of it, yeah. There are several filters that color news stories. Who hires who is one of them. (I vote we remove the word "whom" from all Manuals of Style, every time I use "whom" I feel like half the audience flinches.)

I'm 15 mins in and extremely impressed at Ben's performance in what is obviously a very hostile environment

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

100% stacked audience of common morons. god help us

@brianreese2046

2 жыл бұрын

If it’s “hostile” it would be because Ben opened guns blazing with zero fucks given to demonstrating good faith about something that happened with only one person on the panel

@sambrockelsby522

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianreese2046 Did you see what O'Keefe did a couple minutes before the panel started? I think any pretense of good faith went out the window after that

@alexyoung1712

2 жыл бұрын

He barely talked..besides defending a teacher for calling a kid the n word. That impresses you?

Pool references his political ideology while confronting Ben for referencing his political ideology. He erases his argument while making it

@zkapsh

2 жыл бұрын

Because he like very other "centrist" have a warped idea of what subjectivity and what left vs right is and it ends up heavily warping his understanding of other things like media manipulation. Or supporting the overturning of roe v wade because the "left has gone to far"

@anotherslice2269

2 жыл бұрын

it's like claiming someone is doing something bad by using a language to communicate while you're using a language to communicate that.

@bottomlinebassin2001

2 жыл бұрын

He's a grifter

@R.E.E.D.

2 жыл бұрын

If you mean at the start... then you're just not that bright. If someone is a self professed leftwing political activist, the things they believe are if leftwing ideology, then it's not "referencing my ideology" to say: Person A, a leftwing political activist, attacked person in car. That's not ideological... that's just what happened.

@anotherslice2269

2 жыл бұрын

@@R.E.E.D. what?

Tim Pool and Project Veritas are so disingenuous.

@kenhiett5266

2 жыл бұрын

Translation: I don't follow their work or the endless retractions the naysayers have been forced to produce. I just assume the hit pieces against Project Veritas are true, because it suits my political perspective.

@jocksharerock7318

2 жыл бұрын

Ken Hiett Wow! You’re impressed by well paid lawyers? James O Keefe deceptively edits his work in a specious kind of way, and since he destroys reputations in a way it’s tough to call him out, you’re impressed? If someone secretly recorded you and ruined your standing by deceptive edits, you wouldn’t be supporting him.

@TheDraven81

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenhiett5266 Translation: I know exactly who they are. Right wing shills for corporate power.

@kenhiett5266

2 жыл бұрын

@@jocksharerock7318 Keep believing that narrative, while those of us who actually follow their work laugh at you.

@kenhiett5266

2 жыл бұрын

@@jocksharerock7318 It's called getting to the truth, which used to be the goal of journalism. The hidden camera tactic has become necessary, because we live in a era when a significant majority of the media are activists for one particular party and ideology.

"you have to moderate " lol when half the crowd is heckling Ben when he's making any points

@SoloDallasII

2 жыл бұрын

The crowd was full of emotional, triggered snowflakes.

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

Man the sub plot is that this video was 100% a trial of James. He had nothing, he knows what he's doing for the money and doesn't care one bit.

@SeanWinters

2 жыл бұрын

maybe if he had any points other than "unions good and anyone who disagrees is bad, therefore no matter what they do wrong, if you criticize unions you bad", he wouldn't be heckled. Ben is a pseudo intellectual hack.

@oxman5571

2 жыл бұрын

@@SeanWinters is definitely not an intellectual. *puts the widdle baby Seanie-poo back in his crib with a bottle of man-milk.*

@gerritpeacock8949

2 жыл бұрын

look to Detroit if you think that unions are all good. while I can appreciate what the aim is... it protects ineptitude and makes the product worse and more expensive without a backstop in virtually all cases 100% of the time. The fact he is wearing a Bernie shirt should say everything.

This is a perfect video demonstration to explain the term “gaslighting” to someone.

Looks like O’Queef grabs a few cinnamon rolls and Starbucks mocha latte

The people mindlessly cheering are pretty annoying. But Ben is a true professional and educator and knows how to stay composed always. Excellent job my friend.

@hadronoftheseus8829

2 жыл бұрын

People? The hooting of these subsapient organisms is not a sound I associate with personhood.

The amount of people cheering for Project Veritas is disturbing. Also Tim is absurdly condescending and patronising. He truly thinks he’s smarter than everyone else. Having him and James O’Keefe talk about journalism is horrifying. I trained in journalism and neither of them knows the first thing about journalistic practices and integrity. It’s disgusting listening to them act like they’re holier-than-thou and Tim claiming that context is manipulation is ridiculous. He’s like someone in their first year of college - they think they know everything, think they’re all that. Really they’re just immature and cringeworthy.

@chadalpha7983

2 жыл бұрын

He was running beta to O'Queef's alpha, look at the scuttle off at the end Tim so desperately wants a freind just watch his own show his house is full of hanger ons and his idea of cool kids like big daddy queef treat him like a serving boy (and smoke all his weed)

@zkapsh

2 жыл бұрын

Tim acts like Bing subjective is when you play the centrist angle. He "determines" whose telling the truth and then decides. All tim does Is pretend to care about issues act like the left is out of control and in the end of the day massively benefits the right.

@TROBassGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

Conservatives have a lot of free time, and I wouldn't be surprised if these events are astroturfed, most socialists have to work and don't have billionaire donors to prop up their media

@jocksharerock7318

2 жыл бұрын

Em M You’re correct in everything here. In the future I hope that Ben Burgis understand the enemy that is trying to destroy him and the left. Also, the donors to project veritas don’t need to tell James O’Keefe what to do, since he’s a walking anti-leftist advertisement and has been for 15 years. The donors may hint at this or that in conversation, but O’Keefe knows that they don’t have to tell him anything and he’ll do their bidding

@surveillant

2 жыл бұрын

The audience was incredibly irritating lmao

I wish they could switch out Sam Seder for Ben on these events but they’re scared of Sam

@LetsGetitBoah

Жыл бұрын

No they're not, Sam wouldn't do this, because he has zero balls. I'll give Ben credit for doing this, but the right is far more reasonable in their behavior. They may not disagree, they won't attack you, throw shit at you and over talk you the entire time. You have Tim go into a TYT setup debate, with a progressive audience and he'd likely get attacked, and be talked over the entire time.

Tim: “Have you been in a union” Ben: “Yes” Tim: “No”. Seriously, Tim should have quit debates after he got Thanosed by Seder…..

@mikejames1347

2 жыл бұрын

And like it matters if Ben had been in union before.

I've watched the whole thing and my soul is turning to coal. The level of the discussion from Ben's opponents is not far from the one in the interview he did with Jesse Lee Peterson, just less entertaining. Ben did a really impressive job here, but considering the context, the opponents and the audience, I wonder if not a more rhetorical approach would have been more efficient, in addition to Ben's crystal clear logic.

@kevindensmore7507

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. His approach doesn't sell to the crowd that needs to hear it. Ya kinda gotta play by their game. Be more catchy, less academic. Although, he likely doesn't get invited to these kinds of things if he takes the approach I'm suggesting so idk.

@anotherslice2269

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevindensmore7507 like he said before tho he didn't expect to persuade anyone, it's more to put the talking points he brought to the table. from that there's a chance even a handful of them check him out but he probably underestimated the degree to which this audience was going to be hostile, and that james was going to do one of his psychopathic 'gotcha' things on him right before to get him upset. i'm surprised ben kept some cool.

@jocksharerock7318

2 жыл бұрын

Schizo Id They want a bloodsport where the leftist is left lifeless on the ground. When their guy O Keefe had little life left in him, these fanatics prop up their bruised and battered gladiator. Not that different than what happened to Trump in the election

@cleartexas

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevindensmore7507 better to be king fish in a bowl than be a minnow in an ocean of Patriots, right?

@R.E.E.D.

2 жыл бұрын

16 minutes in, and Ben's being a bit dishonest off the bat. That's not very academic in my book... Forgot to update. Nothing was really said, by anybody. Not much of a debate at all, just one side saying things I already knew, and Ben being unable to stop himself from trying to take shots at James.

I don't think I could be in the same room with O'Keefe without catching a charge for felony assault and battery.

@Based_Proletariat

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. O'Keefe is a weasel that deserves the worst.

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

It'd be worth.

@honkytears

2 жыл бұрын

Liberals - loud as a motorbike, but wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight

@hadronoftheseus8829

2 жыл бұрын

@@honkytears I'm not a liberal by any fanciful stretch, and I've had occasion to bust more than grapes. There's a fairly high probability you'd find yourself as defenseless against me physically as you presently are intellectually, and we both know which you'd strongly prefer to talk about rather than engage in, and why.

@R.E.E.D.

2 жыл бұрын

@@hadronoftheseus8829 Ah yes, because violence is oh so intellectual. And talking tough is oh such a good indicator of someone who can actually fight. Oh, wait...

Based Ben Burgis

Lmao Tusli out here just casting magic spells

OKeefe twisted his way out of the big donor question by focusing on denying he was “beholden to big donors” but never denied that he has big donors even when rephrased by Ben. Tim then tried to change the subject. Moderator then let’s OKeefe off the hook by saying it’s not going anywhere.

@plateoshrimp9685

2 жыл бұрын

@@areaunderthecurve9918 agree. That was the best part

@THB_DX

2 жыл бұрын

Ben should have followed up "Brought to you by Pfizer" with "Brought to you by the Koch Brothers"

@seanpatrick1243

2 жыл бұрын

@sincronot Do you know what disingenuous means? “No donor has ever told us what to do.” They don’t have to, because your defense of their positions in implicit and far more manipulative and dangerous than if you did do direct advertising for them, as you are very well aware.

@user-jq5jx8nn5h

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but do you actually think this is a good point? All that matters is if you're beholden to them. If your donors are directing how you operate that is the issue, only a tribalist would associate receiving donations in which you're not beholden to donors wishes as a negative thing. C'mon people this type of mental gymnastics and more or less conformation bias is a really bad look.

@seanpatrick1243

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-jq5jx8nn5h Same wording from a different account! Too funny!! How many accounts does Veritas work from?

Dimmy said something along the lines of, "Assange suddenly became right wing he was a racist he committed assault, i didn't vote for trump, and everyone came after him." I saw how he slipped that in there. It was like a nervous tick. Wtf

Lol at Tulsi gabbard being here

@gnomechomsky2524

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, what is she even doing on that stage. She didn't contribute anything

Let’s fucking go Benny Boy

Despite Ben's sincere efforts, this was expectedly garbage.

@plateoshrimp9685

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think the only value in this would be for the few people in the crowd who might start to think a little bit after hearing something from Ben that's different from what they're used to hearing

King of journalistic integrity, Tim Pool lmfao

Ben should really explain all his points in terms of which of the Marvel Aventure hero guys represent which concepts. If he can’t say whether unions are Thanos or whether they are NOT Thanos, then it’s all just seriously incoherent to me. Idk, is it just me?

@Alex.R.L

2 жыл бұрын

"something something deontology something something "the Left" something something vote republican, I'm a lib fence sitter. Also, abortions are bad and should be illegal, and btw I am pro choice. Something Something" - T pool (paraphrased)

@hobes9799

2 жыл бұрын

Lol 🤣

You're a beast, Ben! Like a bear fighting a pack of jackals..

I don't know who is worse: Dim Tool or James O'Queef.

19:00 James claims Seymore Hersh covered 'vietnam' because that was his 'beat' but when Hersh tried later to cover capitalist crimes, which he tried to do with all his skill, he was so stymied that he gave up on it. Therefore, being known for Vietnam war coverage doesn't give context to the intent of Hersh's journalism which was a failed attempt to expose corporate crimes.

@jcspoon573

2 жыл бұрын

*stymied vice "stimmed"

Wow Tim doesn't get it.

“No donor has ever told us what to do.” They don’t have to, because your defense of their positions in implicit and far more manipulative and dangerous than if you did do direct advertising for them, as you are very well aware.

@heraclitusblacking1293

2 жыл бұрын

Nailed it.

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

@@heraclitusblacking1293 For a guy claiming to be familiar with manufacturing consent, james is really doing his best work not getting the message.

@seanpatrick1243

2 жыл бұрын

@sincronot Do you read what you write? You just made my point when more valid. He was convicted for his early right wing BS lying hit jobs so he got some notjob billionaires to finance him so he can afford lawyers and now do the same BS, but just barely staying legal. The real question is why isn't he transparent about his donors?

@seanpatrick1243

2 жыл бұрын

@sincronot Too funny! I completely destroy your point so you delete it. What a complete tool!

"I know you teach philosophy, I was a philosophy major." Holy god almighty.

Only in America could James O'Keefe be considered a “journalist”. What a joke.

@johnramsko4535

2 жыл бұрын

I get your point, but don't give yourself too much miscredit :). Look e.g. at the extreme situation of journalism in italy.

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

How TF can you have an honest discussion about media manipulation with one of the worst of the worst media manipulators, did they think James was going to fess up to any of his bullshit ???

@btgkg9639

2 жыл бұрын

@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 Worst of the worst? 😂😂😂😂😂 That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard considering the proven lies MSNBC and CNN push on the daily.

This is a masterclass of debating and how to flip phony narratives by Ben Burgis... Kudos to you Ben. You're a hero to many of us and thanks for standing up to the sleazeball James O Keefe.

@kenhiett5266

2 жыл бұрын

lol

@VincentTroia

2 жыл бұрын

your name has tool in it and it’s so on brand

@Tooldruid

2 жыл бұрын

@@VincentTroia Oh hah. You stinker you, so clever! I've NEVER heard that one before...🙄

I gotta say this... after the Daily Beast article on Tim and the 2 Hey It's Vadim videos on Tim is it ethical to feature him in any way? Even if it's expose his lies. Tim Pool is such a joke that it is abelist to criticize him. It seems he gets a small win simply by virtue of his name and what he thinks being mentioned. Its something I'm starting to see. Same thing is true for Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, etc. They're in bad faith stem to stern and after that fact talking about them or what they think and say is a form of signal boosting. I love Ben Burgis, but he needs to be way more aggressive with these clowns and speak in a way that leverages their bullshit by way of what they are saying. Tim Pool: "Ideological Journalism is invalid" as he defends a person and an organization that's totally driven by right-wing ideology. That was an example BTW, Timbah on Toast lays it all out. O'Keefe is a conservative. All that he does is in service of that ideology, never does it serve Tim's "non-ideological, pure jounalism" or any objectivity for that matter.

How the fuck does Tim pretend he's liberal?

@mr.negativenancy5751

2 жыл бұрын

Tulsi finally talks 12 minutes in and just says, "isn't it nice we can have conversations?" I see why people like her. It's not what she believes.

@ComradeYinkai

2 жыл бұрын

Liberals and conservatives are the same!

@ComradeYinkai

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.negativenancy5751 Virtue signaling one's love of free speech is obligatory for right wing cucks!

@mr.negativenancy5751

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComradeYinkai I'm not liberal, but they certainly consider themselves different. They're similar in a lot of ways, but Tim is conservative in all the pointless ways they distinguish themselves.

@plateoshrimp9685

2 жыл бұрын

I think that conservatives feel a little defensive about the selfishness of their beliefs so they like to hear a guy saying "I want to be a liberal, but all those leftists are so crazy that I just have to agree with you that everything you think is right. We just don't have any choice but to be this way."

Even from the short clip… Tim Pool was so out of his league on stage. Almost hilarious.

@SacClass650

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you think that?

@middle_pickup

2 жыл бұрын

It's like watching a child who wandered into a class above him. It's striking how intelligent he believes himself.

@SacClass650

2 жыл бұрын

@@middle_pickup Could it be that you just disagree with him?

@mr.negativenancy5751

2 жыл бұрын

@@SacClass650 Tim can't really engage past surface level arguments. He never says anything that we can translate into policy, and can't get through one event without suggesting and armed uprising should/may happen. And the worst part is that he lies about his political stances. He says he believes liberal/left shit, but always defends the conservative/right argument. He loves the money "centrism" comes with

@middle_pickup

2 жыл бұрын

@@SacClass650 negative. There are several basic things we agree on from this video. That doesn't mean he's able to extrapolate larger ideas coherently from those basics.

I like how Ben stood his ground against that stacked audience.

@2superstobie

Жыл бұрын

Stood his ground lols you mean refuse to comment on his controversial actions. Like I don't know unconcerned with racist teachers because they are amongst the class of people he believes should be protected ;) so brave so bold.

25 minutes in Tim starts telling a story about sitting down with investors then just evolves into nonsense talking points - his story just disappeared. And all he mentioned was 'woke' 'intsrsectionality' ... not ideological though hahaha

@bp6421

2 жыл бұрын

Tim "dont call me right wing because all i do is echo/agree with all those talking points whenever i can, and state im not a right winger while doing so" Pool

Well that was insane. Good on Ben for not backing down

@RL-go2lp

2 жыл бұрын

Ben is cringe 🏋🏿‍♂️

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

@@RL-go2lp Cultural conservatives are cringe. Not based at all.

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

Reality has a Left leaning bias. It's a lot easier to defend a hilltop than it is to attack it. Reality is our hilltop.

@motion9820

2 жыл бұрын

Ben went in circles, Tim tried to advance the discussion but moderator put them back in Ben’s loop (see 17:27) Ben makes it too much about himself and tags on other irrelevant details to attack others’ character He’s cringe just look at Tulsi’s face when he talks

@aristizle8797

2 жыл бұрын

@@motion9820 T pool tried to change the subject. There's a difference. Lies by emphasis and lies by omission. You gotta lock down the nuance. It's why cultural conservatives don't like CRT, they'd rather be willfully ignorant. FOX news viewers change the channel when jan 6th stuff is on the screen. They'd rather not know.

Ben I'm really impressed with how you handled yourself in that hostile environment. You were sharp, witty and had a commanding presence even though everyone was against you. Throughout Tim Pool running interference for O'Keefe, interruptions from the moderator (please keep your voice down, we can barely hear the jeers from the audience) and Tulsi Gabbard monologues, you maintained your cool and stayed on point. Props.

@jordandubin

2 жыл бұрын

Ben had a private moderator, basically. He was like a security detail protecting the fragile egos and intellects of the other three panelists.

@mr.negativenancy5751

2 жыл бұрын

Tbf the jeers were loud they they couldn't hear each other

Leftists on such panels should ask more direct questions themselves instead of always explaining themselves.

@Bmanritchie

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda hard when the dynamic is one fending off three.

I honestly saw a little Hitch in Ben's opening salvo

Softballs to James, Tim and Tulsi, meanwhile no moderation for Ben

It's so funny that Ben, who is usually a very measured debater, just comes out swinging with such contempt for O'Keefe

Thank you, Ben.

@seandrew7837

Жыл бұрын

Do you get your information off Cenk and Sam Seder?

Wait, the entire 4-person panel debate was a whole ~45 minutes?

@mr.negativenancy5751

2 жыл бұрын

yeah that's pretty short, but you can't expect 75% of these people to keep their act up for more than an hour

@1Gigawatt

2 жыл бұрын

The average high school kid`s attention span...

You should have stopped him and asked him to play the video on the spot.

@jordandubin

2 жыл бұрын

Release THE RAW, uncut, uncensored footage!! Before the Soviets get to their doctoring antics. We may never know the truth.

No mention of the lawyer being held on house arrest by Chevron

James O’Keefe rarely works with whistleblowers. They invent them. Hasbro is a fantastic example. He was not a Hasbro employee, he worked for a consulting firm that Hasbro hired. Hasbro was trying to be thoughtful in their packaging and this guy absurdly decided that it was CRT training. A convenient buzzword that just like BLM and Defund the Police is misused and willfully misunderstood to elicit emotional reactions.

@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965

2 жыл бұрын

100% debating the topic of media misinformation with James OKeefe is pretty psychotic tho. He should just play a slide show of his videos, the click bait video descriptions, and hit the I-win button. The debate would be over immediately.

Ben I tried to make it to this event in person and couldn't as I knew you would expose these charlatans. Nevertheless i'm sorry for the context to which you had to do it. You were exceptional and are an amazing resource. Thank you for what you do.

11:23 - 12:03 Master class in how to talk without saying anything, political speak at its finest, bravo Tulsi, bravo 👏👏👏

@mikejames1347

2 жыл бұрын

Anytime her mouth opens, my eyes immediately glaze over.

There is sooo much conservative donor money behind all of these groups like Daily Wire/Turning Points USA/Veritas. You literally can't escape Daily Wire ads on youtube, and I'm starting to hear personal anecdotes about people who've been taken in by the 'what is a woman' ad. It looks pretty fucking bleak right now, I'm grateful to Ben for his work trying to counter bad actors like James O'Keefe.

@Alex.R.L

2 жыл бұрын

Just tell them that sex and gender are different. They can't define "woman." How did Cleopatra know that she was a woman before we discovered the XX chromosome pair? She just knew. Like trans women just know. Ask them if they can't define woman, to define "chair." ... so a couch is a chair then? ... so a bar stool is a chair then? ... So a desk is a chair then? basically we use words because they are useful. trans women are women because it is useful, sex and gender are different because it is useful. Trans people exist, gay people exist, cis people exist. The language grows to fit our needs.

@GeoTrioMusic

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Alex.R.L Good point on the adaptability of language, I guess another related counter is that the right loves to adapt language. A word like 'freedom' has become so heavily modded by SCOTUS Citizens United decision that it includes a corporations right to dominate our electoral system with massive PAC contributions which it labels 'protected free speech'. When spoken by the GOP, its code for freedom of capital, or the freedom of very religious christians to be shielded from the existence of LGBTQ folks or freedom from any deviation from teaching standard American history in schools. When I see language grow in liberal/left circles, it's usually in the spirit of inclusivity, on the right/center it's almost always a mean spirited sleight of hand meant to muddy the waters and advance business interests (clean coal, right to work, free trade).

Stopped watching after O’Keefe had to “quote” Ben about the donor accusation, but earlier in the debate he acted like the nature of journalism was to “edit” (i.e. not direct quote) certain speech of ppl or organizations. He only wants to nail down exact wording when it exposes how he has big donors

@jturnt2352

2 жыл бұрын

Yea but let’s ignore all the very real things ppl get caught saying. Classic Marxist approach. There’s a reason this ideology hasn’t ever once been mainstream. And that’s the biggest of them all,

@Balls607

2 жыл бұрын

@@jturnt2352 no, lets not

You don't have to yell Ben! He actually does as the crowd fanatically screams over him.

A totally balanced and objective crowd I see. Sheesh.

Ben Burgis on the mic

ben was a light of precision in a dense fog of ambiguity.

@WokeBegone

Жыл бұрын

Was he? Or was he bullshit central?

Much respect Ben.

They keep talking about standing up to corporate powers and yet it seems like everything they argue for ultimately reinforces those powers and does not do anything to actually help the working class. Basically, like most people are pointing out, they're grifters.

@anotherslice2269

2 жыл бұрын

if you asked them what society should be like they would just yell as loudly as possible about what is wrong with society and remind you to buy all their shit

Yes. Everyone should hold themselves to the same rigorous, unbiased, and apolitical standards as James O'Keefe and Project fucking Veritas. Jesus Christ, why does ANYONE still take Tim Poole seriously???

James, you don’t get payed to say the things you do. You get payed (selected) because you say the things you do.

It's always interesting how these anti-corporate news types never finish the thought. What's their solution?

@odeode4338

2 жыл бұрын

They see themselves as the solution but don’t realise that eventually they become the corporate media.

@anotherslice2269

2 жыл бұрын

they don't really have solutions. we say union, they say no. we say universal programs, they say no. they might propose whatever any given trillionaire wants (no taxes, no social services, no regulations etc), and it makes me wonder why their interests are so identical to the 00000.1% of people on earth. maybe they identify with that kind of power.

How is Dim Stool taken seriously? He claims he's upset with Ben's political stance being inserted, yet proudly proclaimed a 49 state landslide for Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election.

@SoloDallasII

2 жыл бұрын

He complains about politics on a political debate panel and then his very next comment is about "left wing activists"...

@chadalpha7983

2 жыл бұрын

Tim Pool is spectacularly unimpressive, he is bland, goofy looking and dimwitted, so of course his fans find him "relatable"

@jordandubin

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the best thing he’s ever done. So lucid, such a finger on the pulse, much predictive accuracy, utterly shameless.

@emperoricecream1

2 жыл бұрын

absolutely, but I also wish progressives would study TP’s ascent and learn a thing or two how to engage disillusioned conservatives in the way that TP engages disillusioned liberals.

@jordandubin

2 жыл бұрын

@@emperoricecream1 just cut the middle man and talk to Steve Bannon

Liked because of Ben’s unassailable arguments, but i very much disliked the experience of watching this debate. The only things Pool and O’Keefe presented were gaslighting and tu quoques.

@seandrew7837

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 get well soon, leftoid.

James O’Keefe sounds like a GTA character

Ben channeled some jello Biafra on Oprah energy there

I really enjoy how Ben has gone for the concise and precise approach of late, for me, this is not only a pleasure to watch but also educational - a masterclass on how philosophy can be effectively used in everyday life. The event is set up like a cage fight. Three of the opponents are really good at giving armchair fight commentaries. They get into the cage with a professional fighter, who does not hit them rather he continually trips up his opponents due to them having an appalling understanding of the basics of footwork and balance. They then counter the professional fighter by tying their own shoelaces together.

@jturnt2352

2 жыл бұрын

Lol this is why no one takes you ppl seriously. Act like you’re the smartest ppl in the room when you’re about as baseline IQ as it gets.

@SeanWinters

2 жыл бұрын

"concise"? where?

@werther3736

2 жыл бұрын

He methodically exposed their “edginess” as a boring set of platitudes. Bravo.

@kenhiett5266

2 жыл бұрын

Are you joking? You must be joking. The level of ignorance on display here is fascinating. Have you watched the Project Veritas backstage video? Ben lives in the most abundant country in the most abundant time in human history. Your thought leader is totally unaware of the economic dynamics that got us here. Ben correctly identifies the obvious problems in disparity, but his solutions are laughable. Ben doesn't understand economics or history. We have an abundance of evidence regarding the failures of the union modality.

@werther3736

2 жыл бұрын

A “thought leader” eh?

i think hammering the idea that these people just work to make it easier to get regular people fired is a great talking point. hopefully it will break through into some people's brains.

James O'Keefe is such a joke. lol. why on earth is that guy trusted by anyone?

The most interesting thing here is the crowd.

@jordandubin

2 жыл бұрын

WoOooooOoooooOoooo!! 🐷🐑🐸🐻🦅🦖🐓🦀 oh wait - no BOOOOO! Uhhh 🖕🤬🖕

@cleartexas

2 жыл бұрын

exactly, they should fall in line or be escorted out. I remember when whistleblowers would break up a Bush or Clinton speech they would always be escorted out, but nowadays everyone seems to have an 'alternative' opinion. it's like my college professor said, you go with the herd so you don't get slaughtered