Oh this is so complicated, oh there's so much to talk about, oh we don't have much time left, oh we should talk for six hours....I just can't address your arguments, I just can't explain why I'm defending this genocide.

@kimberIyyu

3 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking!! haha

As a software engineer myself, I had to stop this video the moment she said "as an engineer, when I debug code ..." ... If I learned something from working with programmers for more than 10 years is that they can be some of the most arrogant and deluded people on the planet and think that, because they can write a sorting algorithm, if they read a Wikipedia entry and watch a couple of KZread videos in a given topic in any field and "analyze" them with "logic", they are already experts on it. It drives me insane.

@litoo2002

2 ай бұрын

To quote my PhD adviser, computer scientists have been lying for decades. 😅

@beninbryant455

2 ай бұрын

I'm also a software engineer and my eyes rolled so hard when I heard Brianna say that! It's so self-aggrandizing. Too bad her love for "debugging" didn't influence her to read some history on the region.

@andressantos9130

2 ай бұрын

and not only that, but she's not really done anything on that front. she has one title under her belt. it was called revolution 60, and it was a video game version of this comic she wrote when she was still living in her birth sex. it got frigging panned. pan-fried.

@madProgenitorDeity

2 ай бұрын

@@andressantos9130 Yeah, her and anita sarkaasian mostly rode in opportunistically on the coat tails of Zoe Quinn (and the controversy around her relationships getting Quinn good coverage)

@sinistar3198

2 ай бұрын

@@beninbryant455 as a guy who has had to debug undocumented Swiss army knife style powermock test harnesses, I think, if I was going to interact with and speak about a big, horrible, complicated thing, I would rather read documentation on it first.

She seemed to have shat herself when the right of return was brought up. “How dare you mess with my pet ethnic-state!”

@elrodrigo6188

3 ай бұрын

He.

@johnkronz7562

3 ай бұрын

@@elrodrigo6188 is that their identity?

@elrodrigo6188

3 ай бұрын

@@johnkronz7562 I do not care.

@DvNezarto

2 ай бұрын

@@johnkronz7562yes, he’s a man.

@Ssalamanderr

2 ай бұрын

Yeah she pivoted away from that at lightning speed

Brianna is trying to be a technocrat and fails hard.

So her argument boils down to a horrible, inhumane act committed against me automatically justifies my revenge a thousand times worse. EDIT: And she pathetically conflates Hamas and Palestinians. So much so that it seems a willful ignorance to avoid confronting her deep seated raciest tendencies.

Very empty, vacuous sophomoric arguments from Ms. Wu. I expected a bit more substance and thought from her.

This woman is in denial.

@Hgcfdghjjvvc

3 ай бұрын

My gut reaction too. There are things people do not want to see because they’re emotionally not ready. I think the Judaism component is especially hard to reckon with. As a Catholic, if I hear something bad on the news that the Church did, I’m like “well yeah it’s the Catholic Church.” It’s easy for me to see that there are bad actors and there is a peaceful religion. It’s human nature. I mean I couldn’t imagine being mainstream Muslim after 9/11 and have to cope hard and internally confront your faith. But you cope. I’m not sure if Jews (at least American Jews) have really to do that. It’s not easy. There is a faith component that is irrational because faith is not rational. I hope American Jews know that I’m pro Palestine and I know Judaism is a beautiful peaceful religion. Shalom, good deeds, and justice. (???) There’s bad actors everywhere and it’s not fair. Those bad actors are not actual representatives of the faith, whether they be Catholic, Muslim, or Judaism.

@tuomaskaila1010

3 ай бұрын

More like on the Destiny train, seeking to raise her profile with bad faith debate bro antics

@parallaxview6770

3 ай бұрын

Its a bloke

@hdhdhhehe6709

27 күн бұрын

Not in denial. She’s deliberately creating a moderate liberal stance on Israel because she is obsessed with becoming a congressperson.

@MaDPuPPeTgames

15 күн бұрын

@@hdhdhhehe6709 who the fuck would vote for her

this was so incredibly frustrating to watch. Brianna clearly has no *actual* indepth read on the history of Palestine and has just been hanging out with Zionists. Throughout the entire discussion, she was agaped and awestruck that Ben said some of the loudest thing we have been talking about for ages- 10/7 was a particularly bloody moment in a 80 year long bloody conflict between a native population and a colonizing populace; A one state solution is the best idea for an *actually* peaceful region. Hell, she seems *completely* unaware of how Israel has been trying to make peace impossible so they can eventually just kick Palestinians out of Gaza. Many of the things she said are also *incredibly* racist. When talking about Israel, she speaks about it as "the only democracy in the region surrounded by awful dictators" as if thats just natural to Arab politics and not *directly* as a result of the United States (Iran, Iraq, and Egypt are all dictators because of US support). She's apparently never really heard of the 2013 Egyptian coup in which Al Sisi took power and squashed the Arab spring that took place in Egypt. When Ben discussed the 1-state solution, She said, and I qoute, "You would have a lot of trouble getting Americans to agree to let Al Queda in" What The FUCK Was that? Does she think Hamas (and not Gaza cause she apparently cant think straight) is just some "bad Arabs with guns like Al Queda"? A 1-state solution means *Gaze and the Westbank* intergrate with Israel to create a democratic state, not fucking Hamas. A 1-state solution is ideal because it solves the "unbelieve complicated and complex problem!!" she waxes philosophic about because it would give both Israelis and Palestinians right to all the land of historic Palestine without requiring displacing any current Israeli Civilians. What the fuck does "Al Queda" have anything to do with that, its just just because Hamas did a terror attack and thats it? Thats the *entire* extent to what Hamas is, just a bad guy brown villain except this time the good guy Americans are Israelis? I find her "This is so unbelievably complicated!!!" schtick to be very hypocritical and almost cowardly because when it comes to an insurgent group like Hamas, theres suddenly little complexity and extremely clear morals- 'bad terrorists with guns, oh my god you want to negotiate with them???'. Her arguments inflate the moral complexity when it comes to Israeli actions and reduces the moral complexity when it comes to Palestinian actions. "I'm so sad that Palestinians always worked against their own interests and rejected peace" "Civilian Death toll by the IDF? Apartheid? Well... I mean Hamas, and Israels its own country, they're kinda allowed to do that right?" I followed her on Twitter because Gamegate harassed her and I wanted to support her run for Government. However after seeing her just spout the same tired talking points that this war should have opened her eyes on, I've figured she's really not gonna change any time soon since the ADL helped her with Gamergate and thats more or less all she really cares about. I've spoken with a couple collegues who interacted with her on Discord during the Gamergate fiasco and it starting to make sense why they basically cut ties with her.

@ebweint

3 ай бұрын

What is a Zionist? Here is what Hamas thinks: The Islamic Resistance Movement calls on Arab and Islamic nations to take up the line of serious and persevering action to prevent the success of this horrendous plan, to warn the people of the danger eminating from leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism. Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying. If you dismiss me as "one of the Zionists" that is not anti-Zionism.

@sadako24

3 ай бұрын

"has just been hanging out with Zionists." Do you really think she'd prefer the company of deranged anti-Semites and Hamas apologists?

@joeoliver4266

3 ай бұрын

It’s all about the Right of Return. Any liberal/progressive who takes this much issue with the movement for Palestine must be made to explain why they think the Right of Return is so extreme, so risky. Brianna just proved in this discussion what we already knew; that the only available objection is MAGA-level xenophobia.

@GodlessXVIII

3 ай бұрын

Agreed but she's a paid propagandist btw, so the tactics she uses are to be expected. Bad faith actors deserve ridicule, not debate.

@muhammadgheith2492

3 ай бұрын

@@GodlessXVIII So i have heard from friends who knew her during the gamergate times and from what I understood, shes actually always been this awful. I dont want to assume "bad faith" to her just yet, but theres enough reason to think that she never really had much good to say assides from the horrors of GamerGate

I hate it when coders think they know shit.

@rawbebaba

3 ай бұрын

Her opening statement was just an admission she hadn't paid attention to any of this at all, and then she made it very clear that was an honest statement lol

@lestersmiley1781

3 ай бұрын

You beat me to it. Hilarious that she’s worked with the ADL for over a decade and sees them as a “digital leader” that’s not all that concerned with antisemitism

@lestersmiley1781

3 ай бұрын

She also said that since she’s a coder she always goes back and tests assumptions, but also wants to set aside any disagreements she has with Ben’s historical account of the formation of Israel

@rawbebaba

3 ай бұрын

@@lestersmiley1781 she said she hadn't paid any attention to any of this and her statement made it clear that was the case, then she thought we just needed better management of the Afghanistan war lol

@lestersmiley1781

3 ай бұрын

@@rawbebabashe also says that the right of return is an insane demand. She’s confident, that’s for sure.

She's right about re-checking your base assumptions. She should do that.

@joeoliver4266

3 ай бұрын

Like where Israel is the more civilized “side” by default. That’s where she screws up the worst.

@isawilraen9816

3 ай бұрын

Her: *The isolated impulses of a state in any given situation towards a nation* are more fundamental than *their occupation of said nation.*

The fact that she did not anticipate the leftist position on the invasion of Afghanistan, heard the "start the clock" claim as a claim about justification, and much else, is just sort of sad. I don't really understand the brains of a lot of people who do this stuff for a living.

@philoshua

3 ай бұрын

She's on Twitter all day long reading people talk about this and is going "Oh my god!" in astonishment about straightforward quantitative points about the history of mass death in the conflict.

Well, we know who's side she'd be on in the Warsaw ghetto uprising.... because it was 'complicated'.

@ebweint

3 ай бұрын

Do you know Polish, Yiddish, or German? Have you stepped foot in an archive? The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was complicated.

@avirichar4981

3 ай бұрын

@@ebweint you seem to either misunderstand or likelier intentionally misconstrue the whole point of "complicatedness" dodge, a lot here in the comments.

Each point Brianna tries to make dissolves under scrutiny. 22:00 mark, she plays the iron dome card, but fails to mention the most important point regarding Biden's agency: he could withhold iron dome munitions *contingent upon Israel not committing genocide in Gaza.*

@bronzee548

3 ай бұрын

Because she was just repeating talking points.

Brianna really showed her hand at 1:00:17 When Israel defenders try to argue that the situation is “complicated” you can bet this is what they are trying to get across: that there are *downsides* to ethnic integration. Same as what Jim Crow defenders might have tried to argue in the early 60s. Or what “Indian Reservation” proponents might try to argue today in response to Land Back. There *are* actual parallels to Palestine in the USA, like the segregated South and displaced Native American communities, but rather than acknowledge any of those, she chose Al-Qaeda as her point of comparison. Very telling.

@rawbebaba

3 ай бұрын

Do you think this is what the Nazis were like? I mean just soy facing cry bullies?

@joeoliver4266

3 ай бұрын

@@rawbebaba More relevant, I suppose it’s what the German SPD was like. Softening the public to Nazi ideology through their unbreakable dedication to anti-communism.

@rtam9894

3 ай бұрын

They dont see Palestinians as people, its a narrative to justify ethnic cleansing.

@kimberIyyu

3 ай бұрын

I love how she laughs about equating the Palestinians with Al-Qaeda as if they’re all terrorist and as if the US even remotely has the same history and circumstances with them as Israel does with Palestine.

@jds614

2 ай бұрын

Not a good analogy A) African Americans in the 60s...were clearly citizens of the United states Palestinians are supposed to have their own state...they aren't living in the same borders B) there weren't bus su!cid€ bombings, rockets and invasion massacres (10/7) coming from the African Americans...with independent leaders

At 59:40 Wu: "are you telling me you consider Gaza to be part of Israel's territory??" Lightbulb moment. Like there was any question that it is.

I might be a laymen, but just one picture of the young boy who starved to death is enough to make my stomach churn and have a physical reaction too. I feel like maybe it’s not sunk in for people. There needs to be a point emotionally where people’s hearts change and it’s not just getting those people their through facts and arguments. It’s not just all intellectualism. I feel bad for Israelis because I lived through 9/11. I feel like Israelis are also victims of the lies and bad actors in the government. I feel terrible for the hostages. Awful. I never once thought Israel was trying to get them back.

Brianna's debate strategy of rejecting a basic right/wrong framing by insisting on greater complexity can be used to justify virtually any atrocity. 1600s: "Not all witch trials resulted in burnings. As a policy issue, witchcraft is actually extremely complex." 1800s: "Not all slaveowners are brutal. Some treat their slaves better than factory owners treat their workers. If you look at the most recent Mississippi slave code, it actually prescribes STRICT limits on the number of whippings." "This whole child labor thing, there's good evidence on both sides as to whether it should be legal to put them in coal mines." 1900s: "The whole civil rights anti-Jim Crow narrative totally misses the realities of the southern economy and the threat posed by anti-white extremists like Malcolm X." "Can we be honest about ANC support for "armed struggle" when the left screams about apartheid?" "Look, the whole issue of the Vietnam War is INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED and guess what? Ho Chi Minh killed people too. And Nixon and Kissinger are not the devil." And on and on...

@ebweint

3 ай бұрын

History books on each issue you point to are thousands of pages long. The historiographical complexities and methodological approaches to each fill academic journals, and monographs and dissertations are continuously pumped out. They are complicated. What was the Puritan view on Christology? Have you given a go at Eugene Genovese's The Mind of the Master Class? Have you been to an archive of a 19th factory and looked at how and why child labor was used? Who killed Malcolm X? History is complicated Howard Zinn. Oppressor/oppressed narratives ignore the dialectic of power relationships and their changes over time. Post-colonialism and settler-colonialism are merely analytical tools. Why would the Pawnee ally with the US government against the Sioux? When taken to an extreme, anti-colonialism will get you to tankie town and Greyzone journalism. You're left with unlettered Occidentalist and "noble savage" stereotypes. Tell me something about Guatemala other than the CIA coup in 1954. Is your dislike of Israel coming from ideological anti-Americanism? Was the Mossad behind the October 7 attack?

@beyondaboundary6034

3 ай бұрын

@ebweint If you're claiming that my post is denying that historical events are complex, you've set up a straw man. The point is that using complexity to obfuscate the moral wrongness of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is as asinine as using it to obfuscate the moral wrongness of witch-burning, slavery, child labor, Jim Crow, and apartheid. (I might have also added the Holocaust.) Dancing around the obvious with appeals to nuance is pedantic, evasive, and cowardly.

@avirichar4981

3 ай бұрын

@@beyondaboundary6034 Nicely put. Kind of Michael Brooks channelling even, felt like.

@kimberIyyu

3 ай бұрын

Great Points. And like Ben said, even if everything she said were true, it is irrelevant. It doesn’t change or justify anything that’s happening now.

@srghhh5589

2 ай бұрын

​@@avirichar4981I miss that man so much😢😢

Brianna is the white moderate that King warned us about.

@madProgenitorDeity

2 ай бұрын

MLK talked about the white moderate, but the warning from Malcolm X was regarding the white liberal. and I agree 100%

@captainahab9602

2 ай бұрын

More like the Zionist fascist settler but she’s not even eligible to potentially immigrate to the you know, ethnostate when she’s not of said ethnicity. Which is definitely not moderate, it’s some sort of relatively unique derangement!

Also, Palestinian citizens of Israel themselves face significant discrimination in Israel and are significantly less well off than other citizens. They don't experience the same kind of domination as Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, but that discrimination is significant and shapes their everyday lives.

@kimberIyyu

3 ай бұрын

But it’s the “only democracy in the region” 😮

This woman has nothing to say. It's all squid ink.

@DvNezarto

2 ай бұрын

It’s a guy

@bootyspoon4675

18 күн бұрын

@@DvNezarto no she isn't

Just ask if they think Isreal is an apartheid state...

3:59 I'm not going to be mean to your guest Ben. But in essense what she said is "I never paid attention to any of this" and then was comfortable dismissming actual historical fact based on on opinion, from a place of disinterested ignorance. So i guess it does make sense she has the opinions of someone who doesn't know much about the issue. Its interesting to see base assumptions just completely erase a persons willingness or ability to actually learn things.

@johnbower3002

3 ай бұрын

You didn't know anything about Ukraine/Russia but chose a side lol

@rawbebaba

3 ай бұрын

@@johnbower3002 wut

"One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong." - Neil deGrasse Tyson, who could well have coined this about Brianna Wu

My favorite part is we can’t talk about how 1 or 2 states because we’re running out of time.

A tour de force of Israeli government talking points. I'm surprised Brianna didn't say that Israel "made the desert bloom"

Bringing up 9/11 made me close the video. Frankly, the show is above this. It’s called “give them an argument” - Brianna has no argument.

When you cant argue from morality, you argue legality, when not legality, then semantics. Only one, repeatedly, retreated to semantics in this conversation.

@joeoliver4266

3 ай бұрын

Funneling? FUNNELING?!!??!!!

@kimberIyyu

3 ай бұрын

by the NUMBERS 10/7 was a small event- A SMALL EVENT?! 🫨 WOOOOW😲😮😯

She's weak on the "is Israel a democracy" (obviously, she completely obfuscated on that subject) hammer that

If only we had an ally in the region that borders Gaza and would let us get aid trucks in.

... I'll be honest and say I never really investigated who Brianna Wu was, I just assumed her to be a good person due to being targeted during Gamergate, but srsly wtf is this? Where did all these pseudoleftist warhawks come from? Where are they even trying to go?

She is on a different planet.

Appreciate the platform and nature of discussions/debates you have on here Ben.

her gasping at the notion that killing 30x the number of palestinians makes oct 7 pale in comparison completely betrayed her inability to see palestinians as human beings. also her trying to argue that the adl is some incredible force against racism when they helped prop up south african apartheid 😂

This woman is insane

Good dialogue isn’t explaining what specific points you disagreed with and then addressing those points. It’s saying “Wow… you really think that?” And then soy-facing. 😂

@rawbebaba

20 күн бұрын

Wow, really? You think that? 😲 😯 😮

The history is complicated, but the moral question is not. The giving vs selling argument is a bit odd, too, because the US gives money to Israel, earmarked for Israel to buy those weapons, which is functionally equivalent to a gift of weapons. At that point, it doesn't really matter if they spend that money on Iron Dome missiles, because money is fungible - it frees up funds for them to spend their own money on other munitions. 27:30 Do you think Hamas had the right to attack on 10/7 - actually yes. The nature of the attack targeting civilians was a war crime and an atrocity, but if they had confined their attack to military targets, it would have been a 100% lawful and justified act enshrined in international law as a people's right to resist occupation. 34:42 "Palestinians are stronger when they have strong leaders and are working towards peace" - Perhaps we should take a look at the Great March of Return, which was a largely non-violent movement. They were slaughtered by the dozen. The US and the international community could have stepped in then to demand Israel change its ways. I don't think I can listen any more. This is a deeply frustrating debate. Brianna never seems to address the point, and just pivots to something else. All her arguments so far have been, in my view, extremely flimsy. I think Shaun's video on this eloquently provides the necessary moral clarity. There is a cycle of violence, sure, but that cycle has a root cause, and the root cause is the project of establishing a Jewish majority state on a land that was majority non-Jewish Arab. That's what began the violence, and that's what perpetuates it. No amount of Israel having a right to defend itself, or condemnation of particular acts of violence can change that.

Her entire thing is just saying stuff is too technical to understand (including things where she has no expertise such as international law) so therefore let’s just let’s the status quo prevail. I wonder who benefits from this type of argument?

One of my frustrations with the discussion of aid to Gaza before the current situation is that the context is invariably skipped over by critics such as Wu. That is the reason why there is a need for so much aid is the blockade created by Israel and enforced by Egypt that has cut the region off from the rest of the world since 2005 or so. That aid largely allowed for a basic level of survival, and very little else.

Brianna's debate performance is a near perfect microcosm of squishy liberal equivocation on Palestine. Every obfuscation, every "oh its so complicated" , is all just a cover her fundamental ignorance on the issue. Her and Destiny should get together and see who can make the most the most vacuous statements in an hour. My money is on Destiny, but Ms. Wu will give him a run for his money, I'm sure of it.

After about the 45:00 mark Ms. Wu's racicm becomes palpable.

She wants to talk about Rafah and spin it into an argument against the victims.

@kimberIyyu

3 ай бұрын

Don’t you know it’s always “Hamas’s fault?”

25:14 Brianna: "I don't want to put words in your mouth.." **fifteen seconds pass** 25:30 Brianna: "What?! You don't believe we had the right to get Osama bin Laden?" 😂😂😂

I don’t know what was more uncomfortable - the heavy breathing and muttering every time Ben made a relevant point that the Hasbara playbook says to treat as outrageous, or the squirming to avoid objective standards (like international law) or facts (like the history of the conflict from before 5 months ago).

By the way Ben, excellently done. Whenever I listen to debates, I’m always shouting in my head at the person to say this, or make that point. But with you, I didn’t have to do that! You killed it! It was SUPER satisfying to listen to.

Main point I'd say of biggest relevance regarding Egypt here, Ms. Wu, is that "Da Nile" ain't just a river there.... Seriously though, it really is both heartbreaking and deeply, profoundly disturbing how the enabling 101 cope runs so deep in a situation so viscerally and visually (on top of every other mode and method) proven to be so abusive, atrocious, and depraved 101. Bottom line, core elements of this are NOT complicated. Also: Absurd how zionism and naziism apparently are such synonyms at this point AND serve as almost-anagrams of each other to boot, just one letter difference, o for an a. Again back to seriousness, every issue has complexities, AND simplicities possible to find and construct to manage those complexities, one key form of which is known as principles. You can't be a principled individual and condone what zionist Israel as a state is doing now (nor what it's been doing for far far too long).

She is a female Destiny.

39:45 Brianna: "Funneling money to Israel? Funneling? That makes it sound illegal!" Well that's because it f*cking should be illegal! 59:35 Brianna: "It seems you have a more right-wing position than I do!" God what a snake!

Compared to nothing, Biden is doing a lot. Good point, Brianna.

32:25 the pearl-clutching is palpable, you'd think a software engineer would know what an inequality is mathematically.

This is one of the wildest things I've ever heard: "I talked to some of my Palestinian friends and they have never seen more like effort and support from the United States government where they have felt invisible for the longest time like no one cared about their plight".

It is so obvious from everything she says that she has only recently read this stuff (self admitted that she has never really thought about Palestine b4 October 7th). Yet she affects the tone of an expert 😂. I hope Ben channels Prof Finkelstein (I am getting slight Destiny vibes as I watch this) 😂😂

So, is there going to be a Pt. Two? I know I’m way late to this, probably have a better chance being answered on Patreon, but I figured I’d be difficult and leave a comment on a two month old video anyway.. ✌️

This was infuriating. Is she being deliberately obtuse? The West Bank and Gaza are inside the borders of Israel. When you’ve been ‘occupying’ for nearly six decades, that’s not a temporary occupation anymore…

1:16:00 "i think both of us have a lot of knowledge" lol

International law is complicated? Ok then. Just look at the conventions that Israel has signed. Simple.

Brianna used to Bible to defend the existence of Israel in her tweets, why are we taking someone who takes her history lessons from bible seriously lol

Did she really say the US is generously trying to stabilize the Middle East?

She has a biased, recently-gleaned, shallow understanding of the issue that she’s masking with appeals to complexity that she’s unwilling to delve into whenever Ben tries and massive amounts of media training for how to look like you’re holding your own in an argument that you’re actually losing on the facts.

Don't let the subject be moved off of Gaza

"I will debate Israel's war in Gaza by invoking ADL agreeing with me, and when ADL's completely dishonest partisan interest in the matter is pointed out, I will switch to 'Weeell I don't really know much about their Israel policy but I like their work on digital extremism!'" The spinelessness of liberals who spend their entire time in bubbles and never read anything about the world that has been written outside of those bubbles is mind-blowing.

Wait why is anyone paying attention to this person? Every angle she attempts to push in this discussion is aggressively irrelevant

Unclutch your pearls Wu stop pretending you care.

Start with underlying assumptions? Why not start by describing existing conditions? Describe reality as Ben suggests and Michael Brooks did so well.

@synchronium24

20 күн бұрын

History informs how we interpret existing conditions. That said, Brianna was spouting utter nonsense.

I see her posts on Twitter but now I realize that she’s bad faith on this issue. She’s literally repeating the hasbara talking points. PS: A pause is not ceasefire.

I wonder what's behind those white doors?

What a fucking clownshow their talking points were I feel like you can't reason with, or use LOGIC or facts on someone out of their thinking if they didn't arrive at it logically. I think Michael Brooks had such an appeal that he was both right on the logic/facts, but he also had a sense of spirituality/humanity and even had good optics (which sad to say, matters to convincing people like Brianna) I think another huge factor here is that Brianna reads the same media everyone else is, which has a huge bias against Palestinian plight and the protests going on. She also frequents Destiny's community who pretend like twitter leftists are similar to actual Nazis. Sad state of affairs.

"Both of us have a lot of knowledge about this" - the person who demonstrated nothing of substance on the matter and was shocked at elementary principles like the right of return, what a democratic state is, what the US is funding Egypt for, etc.

20 minutes in and I’m wondering if she’s ever going to respond to Ben or just keep strawmanning arguments from Twitter……

Wow, what a ghoul. Hamas is to blame for Israeli atrocities. That is convenient for them.

@punjabicommie1215

18 күн бұрын

Israel has been committing war crimes before October 7th

Her whole “acting surprised by Ben saying reasonable things” - thing made her lose credibility with me tbh. I agree with Ben

Bad faith Brianna

She seems to have a very binary understanding of any and all actors at work. If X done some good->all X done good, if done X some bad->all X done bad

"Israel kicked their ass in 48" or whatever shows the depth of her entire argument.

Oh, so Brianna Wu is, like, stupid stupid?

Man I laughed so much when she said America invading Afghanistan to find Bin Laden was a good idea. Like, you spent almost 20 years in Afghanistan and you didn't even find the guy there, AND you lost. WOW

Brianna: gulping your drink as loudly as possible directly into the microphone makes your genocidal propoganda even more loathsome.

Why is it always important to acknowledge that attacks on Isreali citizens for crimes of the Isreal govt are wrong, but we can't seem to separate Gaza civilians from Hamas. The double standards are doing so much work to justify this ongoing atrocity in Gaza.

It’s like parents choosing to bribe other kids to play with theirs because no one likes them, instead of just teaching their kids to act right.

It pisses me off the amount of air we are giving to this person

Good job. I thought this was a good debate between serious people.

She's so mad her little manipulation techniques don't work on a philosophy professor who specializes in logic lol

It’s like she’s trying to parrot Destiny’s arguments but she can’t even do that correctly

@synchronium24

20 күн бұрын

Destiny at least knows the history.

Excellent job Ben

"I havent really followed their policy.." But please share your opinion on it anyway.

Horrible. What was that comment about Al Quaida ?? American land is not occupied Al quaida land. The apt comparison would be America not allowing indigenous americans to vote dispite occupying and blockading theire land.

I can't believe she's being serious. Just can't believe it. It's complete nonsense to discuss the past mistakes of Palestinian leadership in the context of the current situation in Gaza after nearly twenty years of an Israeli blockade.

imbalance of humanity. period. faith + force = :(

Who had more talk time ?

Apropos of absolutely none of the content of this video: I find listening to both Ben and Brianna’s voices extremely soothing.

It's a lot more complicated than that, is debate speak, for I can't really disprove what you're saying with any factual analysis, but I want to make it look as if I could.

You should have nothing to do with someone that's so impossibly bad faith... unbelievable.

She didnt say a single substantive thing. "You are really underselling bidens efforts" Name things he has done. "You say biden has been sitting on his hands and doing nothing. I flat out disagree with that" Start naming things. "I have palestinian friends who say..." Dont care about what YOUR palestinian friends have to say over the overwhelming majority. Start naming things Biden did.

lol what a self report going to an ADL conference THEY’RE REALLY NICE TRUST ME!

Tatsumaki Senpu Yaku...🤸‍♀️

Its almost as if she is a spoiled rich kid with not real internal core.

makes me wish again, that "like" never existed. Mind, not who says it, jus as a shortcut/longcut.

Are we all aware that Brianna Wu shares Rebellion SuperPac with Cenk?

34:14 okay well now shes just lying so much you should just at this point you should have just told her to leave

@taintmueslix

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and this whole "working towards peace" thing- how's that worked out historically for Palestinians?

@rawbebaba

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@@taintmueslix well during 3 years of peaceful protests and demonstrations we saw thousands of people shot with sniper rifles, leading to thousands of leg amputations, not to mention hundreds of murders

Wu is about as daft as daft can be

You know, it's apartheid, blah blah blah.