Also the implication that you can’t criticize comedy is absurd

@PeachDragon_

5 жыл бұрын

Bad comedy is worse than not being comedy at all

@pegasusboots3594

5 жыл бұрын

Tell that to T E E N T I T A N S G O

@MastersweetRAY

5 жыл бұрын

Not only did they make a whole video doing just that, but the word implication is right there, meaning it was implied, not only by them but their fans.

@alexoxo1

5 жыл бұрын

RaymondLee You really can’t. Not everyone has the same sense of humor

@alonelyperson6031

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexoxo1 Nay, you can. A good joke can get a laugh out of everyone. But one that is only exclusive to a few is what you call a bad joke. Lets say a few murderer make a joke about hanging people with their intestines while murdering a family. Is that a good joke ? It depends. There are many factors you can consider when looking at the joke. Does it fits with the situation and current reality ? Does it subvert or confirm our expectations in a way that either surprise us or cause us enjoyment as being correct ? There are even more factors that you could taken in that affect how good a "Joke" is. But it will take way too long for that. This is what the "We were this close to greatness. THIS close." came from.

Schrodinger's Sin: Any given thing CinemaSins says is intended as both a joke and a serious criticism. Once you mention it, it conveniently collapses into whatever option lets them avoid criticism.

@stefanwalicord2512

5 жыл бұрын

Brilliant

@DemDoolies

5 жыл бұрын

underrated comment

@6stringstorulethemall967

5 жыл бұрын

This comment

@samsaraslight8377

5 жыл бұрын

I love nerd jokes like these, lol.

@timefurry

5 жыл бұрын

Give this man a Nobel prize

"Satire is not bankruptcy. You cannot just declare it." That is now my favorite quote.

@Ramsey276one

2 жыл бұрын

13:20 XD

"We're not satire, we're parody." Except parody is a form of satire.

@DantesInferno96

5 жыл бұрын

People who like cinemasins might as well have small brains.

@donaldbaird7849

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 They're not even jokes. They just say they are to hide their stupidity

@UnfunnyFigs

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 imagine commenting on literally every single post because your upset that people are fed up with CS bullshit

@louiscarl7629

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 Imagine thinking that we don't know which of the sins are real jokes and which of them are "jokes" which are really just mistakes.

@donaldbaird7849

4 жыл бұрын

@Elijah Cisse No they aren't

The "It's satire" argument is the same thing as "It's just a prank bro"

@highgrove8545

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 I never said anything about infringing on anyone's rights. I used that comparison because they are just as logically valid, not morally. Maybe your feelings are hurt because I criticised your favourite youtube channel?

@JayExci

5 жыл бұрын

Highgrove that was a good response. You have earned +10 argumentation points.

@highgrove8545

5 жыл бұрын

@@JayExci Thank you! I will spend them on my favourite argument sandwich!

@highgrove8545

5 жыл бұрын

@Ian Knight How is it false equivalence? They are both wrong for the very same reason: You can't hide behind the concept of pranks/satire in order to avoid criticism.

@Lackingx

5 жыл бұрын

@@JayExci That's what I thought bitch

It seems I misclicked. Thought this was referring to the wildly popular CinnamonSins channel, where they discuss the overuse of the spice in baked goods, which is an affront to humanity.

@abcadiffle

5 жыл бұрын

This made me laugh hard as hell

@Nugcon

5 жыл бұрын

lmao

@JarthenGreenmeadow

5 жыл бұрын

I mean the spice wars were a thing. Cinnamon being a crime against humanity is only one step removed from actual fact haha.

@user-cl2nm1zo6i

5 жыл бұрын

You piece of shit, they just upload random bullshit, there is no talk of spices!

@StewHeisenberg

5 жыл бұрын

Cinnamon Toast Crunch has affectively killed a lot of Americans.

The main reason why Cinemasins used to be so good was that their videos were way shorter. Just go back and look at their first couple of videos. They were only 3-5 minutes long. Nowadays, the videos are 20 minutes long (to get that sweet KZread money), and in order to stretch them out, Cinemasins includes a lot of "bullshit" sins. Jeremy simply got greedy, leading to a significant drop in quality.

@GlitchGames_A

4 жыл бұрын

That... Is true. I didn't realize until now that the last videos of then were boring mainly because of watch time

@louminouz

4 жыл бұрын

They dropped in quality too. They went from actually pointing things you miss in movies to ‘I dont like this so its a sin’.

@donovandelozier7156

4 жыл бұрын

Jay actually did an efap vid where he and friends went through the cinemasins avengers video that was short....it was still baaaaad...

@lostsanityreturned

4 жыл бұрын

@@louminouz mate.. 99% of what is pointed out isn't something they dislike... it is just pointing out things, half the time it is like reading a TVtropes entry.

@TarfuLuke

4 жыл бұрын

They padding that sin count bro

to everyone who thinks that jay hates cinemasins: this is a satire channel. him talking about cinemasins is satire. whether you find it funny or if it makes any sense as satire doesnt matter, as it's not supposed to. basically, its satire that doesnt make sense so dont take it seriously. dont hate on Jay because I like this channel and if you make fun of him you dont understand satire and are a hater

@uc3113

4 жыл бұрын

this comment is god tier satire

@sherreealston1836

3 жыл бұрын

TBH both channels are satire and I love both.

@sirgouda623

3 жыл бұрын

Ironic

@loturzelrestaurant

3 жыл бұрын

@@sirgouda623 Kdawg has bad grammar though.

@loturzelrestaurant

3 жыл бұрын

@@uc3113 No, cause bad grammar.

"We *intentionally* got it wrong" is something I would have said as an argument in goddamn primary school 😭🤦

@jb76489

5 жыл бұрын

Misha Rogerson I was only pretending to be an idiot

@wolf1066

4 жыл бұрын

"All right, did anyone _else_ spot my deliberate mistake?" - _Arse-covering 101_ ... day one, first fifteen minutes of the lesson - pretty much right after the teacher introduces themselves to the class and takes roll call...

@Godzillakingofkaiju1

4 жыл бұрын

To which I reply, "Doesn't matter. You still got it wrong. You don't get brownie points."

@hornyfuckinturtle

4 жыл бұрын

But they do get extra comments on the video pointing out the mistakes

@megajoecaco786

4 жыл бұрын

Jay: *says criticism* Gayremy: AHA but you see, you have activated my trump card! I was only acting like an idiotic asshat who is really misinformed and stupid cuz I hate myself and I want to die

CinemaSins went from movie dorks that liked to nitpick stuff for fun to cynical business men with a rabid fanbase. Sounds like the evolution of KZread to me.

@joolsthebass

5 жыл бұрын

Man, you're not wrong about the rabid fanbase. I hadn't realised how rabid until I read these comments.

@jordan9961

5 жыл бұрын

So what you're saying is they started by nit picking movies, are still doing the same thing and the only thing that has changed is the fans? Because thats what it sounds like you're saying, and I would agree.

@mochimochi4179

5 жыл бұрын

While satire/deconstruction/parody/(whatever fancy word people like to use to justify something they like as "quirky/different") isn't an blanket get out of jail free card, it has to be acknowledged that there are A LOT of people who don't understand the cinemasins is joking. The video is right in pointing out literal mistakes, but plenty of people unironically think cinemasins are serious when they up the sin counter because "this scene has dogs and I hate dogs", and I think a lot of the response is to that. Most of the cinemasins videos do have their own fans picking at their more serious-sounding criticisms (i.e. "actually I think the use of trope/cliche X was fine because of the build up") or when they're being unnecessarily snarky- they don't agree with everything from CS and they definitely don't quote them as a valid source of criticism. I think that's important to keep in mind because when you say rabid fanbase it implies they're doing something when they're really...doing nothing? Their collective isn't leveraging their numbers or the name of CS to some goal or advantage because no one, neither fans nor critics, takes CS seriously when it comes to criticism.

@surfer6160

5 жыл бұрын

The fanbase definitely became extremely toxic to anyone who criticized the channels

@surfer6160

5 жыл бұрын

@SpiritWolf2K well you just proved my point right there

Part one was self-deprecating and funny, Part two was butthurt and sad.

@QuikVidGuy

4 жыл бұрын

Idk being blamed by thousands of people for Disney making bad movies would make me a little butthurt

@hepty3179

3 жыл бұрын

Macaroni and Cliches I think making things up and avoid proper explanations is why those fans are angry.They could get butt hurt all they want but it’s on them.

This is why it's much more enjoyable to watch CinemaWins.

@morganfreeman9106

4 жыл бұрын

Liking things is almost always more fun.

@ralcogaming7674

4 жыл бұрын

I like most of cinemawins. But his defenses of tlj were somewhat flimsy and rather than going into with his usual positive outlook he went into it on the defense. I'd have actually rather he skipped it.

@tyrkun1624

4 жыл бұрын

@@ralcogaming7674 Yeah some of his points are reaching but it's much better than the cynicism at CinemaSins

@dreamhallow7379

4 жыл бұрын

@Autismo A defense that (within the video Jay Exci brings up many times) CinemaSins fans tend to use often is that they're "satire". While CinemaSins considers themselves a parody. A parody is a subset of satire and is often used to review a movie or tell a story in an obviously joking way/absurd way (ex. that Jay Exci used, Honest Trailers). CinemaSins, nor CinemaWins aren't meant to be a genuine review, they're meant to be a comedic review of a movie. There are obviously people who do this much better; but differently (ex. popular KZreadr's such as Danny Gonzalez, Drew Gooden, Mista GG, etc.) and that is what you seem so absurdly frustrated about. You want a different style of the same comedy. They've half a brain, and so do others. It's an opinion, and all styles (and creators) have their own flaws.

@spaceface8504

4 жыл бұрын

@@dreamhallow7379 facts

Movie: has a beginning Cinemasins: what have you brought upon this cursed land

@bugjams

5 жыл бұрын

Movie: *Credits the people who actually worked to make the movie possible* CinemaSins: What in the GODDAMN?

@louiscarl7629

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 Jay: Makes an argument. Eric Zhang: StOP TAkInG CINemASiNs sEriousLY.

@janesmith1840

4 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 You clearly don't understand what satire is.

@danksterdan1682

4 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 whoa hey hey buddy it's satire quit being so triggered lol

@yo_ohno6090

4 жыл бұрын

Studio logos lasting over 30 seconds: * exist * Cinemasins: cast it into the fire, destroy it ! The studio: *no* This is a joke please don't crucify me for making this comment

“Cinemasins finally listens to criticism” REALLY?!?!! “By ignoring it.” They had us in the first half, not gonna lie.

@blazrrr-4082

5 жыл бұрын

I feel very clickbated, but in a good kinda way

@defaulter264

5 жыл бұрын

@@blazrrr-4082 lol

@oct9653

5 жыл бұрын

Go Go Zeppeli

@oct9653

5 жыл бұрын

Oraoraoraoraoraora

@rightupmyalley617

5 жыл бұрын

@@oct9653 cringe

I'll tell you why Cinima Sins includes so many "mistakes"; spoiler: it's not because it makes their content better. The KZread algorithm uses seconds watched as one thing that determines worth, and not seconds watched proportionally. This means that longer videos and channels that specialize in them tend to do better. Cinima Sins' videos used to be just a few minutes long, but then stretched out to 20 minute epics to benefit from this quirk of the algorithm. Taking advantage of the algorithm is fine when it doesn't compromise your content, but in Cinima Sins' case, it certainly does. Not only do they need to pad their videos out with "mistakes", but 20 minutes is really too long for their style of video.

@jcohasset23

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting and that may actually explain why a few channels I regularly watch have gone from under 10 minutes videos a few years ago to up to 20 minute long ones that can actually feel too long. With CinemaSins I think they tended to do their best work with 8-12 minute videos and they tended to keep to actual plot holes or mistakes or silly/stupid things regarding characters or the plot instead of "I don't get this because I didn't pay attention to the film earlier". I know these are objective but yeah you can generally tell when they're just padding compared to actual 'sins' they find.

@YetiCoolBrother

4 жыл бұрын

I’d even go as far as to say that including “mistakes” is purposefully done not only for the reason you named but also because it leads to people commenting on the video to correct them which increases user interaction thus artificially making their channel seem even more successful with viewers than it actually is.

@soup7917

4 жыл бұрын

Watching a video with about 6 sins would be immensely boring so they effectively have to create their own sins

@flamecharge8019

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i remember when it was good most channels nowadays are being destroyed by youtube

@anotheraggieburneraccount

2 жыл бұрын

Also getting something wrong helps with comments and, therefore, engagement.

I used to watch CinemaSins. I genuinely really enjoyed it. But then I realized how harsh and negative they got with some of my favorite movies, to the point where I felt bad watching said movies. I've debated in making a video about it all before, but I never have. I prefer CinemaWins now. He's neat.

@attilamert6973

3 жыл бұрын

Satirical

@Milana-ho5qc

2 жыл бұрын

CinemaWins also sounds so excited to explain why something is so good and i love his enthusiasm which is such a 180 to CinemaSins 100x better

@TheRealWaffles1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Milana-ho5qc yup

@captainguyman7382

2 жыл бұрын

That’s basically their job. They just come up with stuff to criticize half drunk on beer. Pretty enjoyable. They don’t hate the movies they do videos on. Or probably even agree with what they say.

@ShakedownDreams

2 жыл бұрын

@@Milana-ho5qc god this, I love his excitement to explain why he thinks certain things are certain way in a very positive manner, it just works so well

"They get stuff wrong on purpose. Who does that?" Does Jeremy not know what a liar is?

@jayvhoncalma3458

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah looks like it

@loturzelrestaurant

3 жыл бұрын

@@jayvhoncalma3458 Jay is objectively right in this video.

God, they just strawman half the criticisms leveled their way and respond to it like middle schoolers. "Oh, so you're saying we HATE movies and INVENTED toxic cinema fans??" The problem is no one said that, and like you said, there's no one really influential to point towards with regards to those arguments because no one... was making them?

@JayExci

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 So what do you think they mean when they say those things? If I'm twisting there words there must be a much clearer meaning that I'm ignoring right?

@JayExci

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 Yup. Cool, that's completely irrelevant to what we were talking about. You said that I had twisted their words and in response I asked you a direct question. What do you think they mean when they say those things? If I'm twisting there words there must be a much clearer meaning that I'm ignoring right? The fact that there are two people in my comment section who didn't listen to what I said isn't my fault or problem.

@skillo6399

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 we are waiting for your reply, sir

@somedudewatchintv5297

5 жыл бұрын

@@skillo6399 I don't think he's coming back.

@thecollector4332

4 жыл бұрын

Eric Zhang White knight idiot couldn’t come with a response.

cinema sins started out as something fun and pointing out some flaws in films, then it just became something over the top picking up every single bloody thing

@houndofculann1793

4 жыл бұрын

And the glaring falsehoods started to vastly increase in number. Especially bad when they started doing them on scenes that are seconds after/before another that directly proves them wrong

@Ze_eT

4 жыл бұрын

@@houndofculann1793 Yeah. The worst example is in a Hotel Transylvania movie in which they said "And he's the only brother you know" even though she would've LITERALLY SAID THAT SHE HAD ALOT MORE BROTHERS if CinemaSins let her finish her sentence.

@jayvhoncalma3458

4 жыл бұрын

They say their *Assholes* but their actually *Dickheads*

@lovipoekimo176

3 жыл бұрын

And oftentimes they just pile on for the sake of being mean instead of being funny.

Did they just did the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" logic on their criticism ?

@cyborgbob1017

2 жыл бұрын

well tbf, that logic was created in the early days of cancel culture when people were wrongfully accused to of racism simply because of their skin color; and they didnt know how to defend themselves

@chonchjohnch

2 жыл бұрын

Why would racists have black friends? I’ve never understood this criticism

@BertMagurt

2 жыл бұрын

@@chonchjohnch Colour blind?

@elnegromatapacos162

2 жыл бұрын

@@chonchjohnch Because being racist doesn't necessarily means you think every single person of a race is inferior or pitiable, it just means having wrong or prejudiced preconceptions abt them. So it is more than possible to have a personal black friend and think of them as "one of the good ones". Case in point: The acual nazis, history's most stereotypal racists, called a handful of specific minorities "honorary aryans"

@KvngLeroy1

2 жыл бұрын

@@chonchjohnch as a shield, most racists have a friend of another race but only if they always agree with them.

"It's just a comedy channel" Great. But they forgot to make it funny.

@waynewayne8419

5 жыл бұрын

DiktatrSquid isn’t humour subjective?

@jdawg86

4 жыл бұрын

DiktatrSquid I mean I laugh most days watching cinemasins. But ye , nice edgy comment I guess

@slaplap8765

4 жыл бұрын

@Krish Nair to be fair, you're always funny when you don't try and have it come natural instead of trying too hard

@JackedThor-so

4 жыл бұрын

@@jdawg86 poor comedy = poor comedy = "edgy" Thanos was right, Bring on the snap

@ERobbo

4 жыл бұрын

J Dawg I laugh a cimeasins too.. mostly out of pity for a once great channel and concept that has since turned into complete trash

Film: shows title screen Cinema Sins: ah you fallen into the most fail pitfall of filmaking *Ding*

@Nicholasryan17

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, its a joke

@formerctgovernordannelmall1452

5 жыл бұрын

Nicholasryan17 jokes are supposed to make you laugh. Are you telling me people are still watching Cinemasins do the EXACT same joke over and over again and still finding that shit funny?

@sexypanda1349

5 жыл бұрын

@@Nicholasryan17 only when its convenient for them tho! Dont forget that part.

@Vordt_

5 жыл бұрын

@@Nicholasryan17 That isn't a joke. A joke is funny, do you honestly chuckle when you see the title card and hear him say "Hah a title screen" and then sin the movie for it? I don't. I like laughing, I watch comedy channels, I enjoy comedy movies, I watch comedians do standup, but that isn't funny. It's just adding a point onto the end total, which he wants to have as large as his dislike for the movie and to add time to the video. It is NOT a joke.

@betababy8545

5 жыл бұрын

I dont think people here understand what humor really is...

That feeling when you make an entire video explaining why you can't defend CinemaSins by just saying it's satire, but all the comments are still just: "why are you taking it seriously, it's just satire?"

I used to actually like CinemaSins' videos. I found them a little humorous and informative, but yet really nitpicky. However, after seeing all of this recent criticism about their channel and their methods, it's pretty clear that they can't be both a review channel and a comedy channel, at least not without sacrificing one or the other. If your audience has to figure out whether or not you're being serious, then you've probably failed your job as both a writer and a comedian.

@lovipoekimo176

3 жыл бұрын

My turning point was their video on Frozen. It seemed too nitpicky and unfunny. After that, i got bored and uninterested with them

@fostena

3 жыл бұрын

I would be ok with nitpicking and comedy, if done well. See Film/Game Theory for example, they are not always correct (they acknowledge it) but they are funny and they clearly put a lot of work in researching stuff. And of course they also follow trends and exploit the algorithm.

@rosie3929

2 жыл бұрын

@@lovipoekimo176 mine was Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Putting the fact that it's my favourite film aside, most of the sins seemed super nitpicky and almost mean. Noped on out of there right after that.

@MasterJayanX

2 жыл бұрын

@@rosie3929 Mine was Robots. The video is 13 minutes long and the only thing they do is unjustifiably hate on the film. And it's a shame because it's a great film.

@rosie3929

2 жыл бұрын

@@MasterJayanX Robots is such a good film! Yeah sure it has it's flaws but at the end of the day, it's a kids film, it isn't going to be Citizen Kane and it shouldn't be judged as such!

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand CinemaSins. The sarcasm is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of satire most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Jeremy's cynical outlook, which is deftly woven into the videos. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about MOVIES. As a consequence people who dislike CinemaSins truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in CinemaSins excellent strategy of videomaking which itself is a cryptic reference to someone saying something stupid then just calling it a joke after people call it out. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them

@Phoenix2312

5 жыл бұрын

@Carlos Ashley NOW THAT'S HOW YOU WRITE SATIRE!!!

@justsomedangerbigfootwithweb

5 жыл бұрын

And yes by the way, I DO have a cinemasins tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

@user-erased

5 жыл бұрын

@@ratadedospatas1 it was ACTUAL satire you numbskull it was intended to sound that way

@blazrrr-4082

5 жыл бұрын

*PICKLE SINS!!!!*

@martyr_lightsilver1833

5 жыл бұрын

Why is this outdated cringe copypasta here.

His voice has gradually become more Kermit-sounding.

@ShibuNub3305

4 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@idontwantahandle651

3 жыл бұрын

And his laugh. So disturbing.

I have to admit that it always bugs me when creators get irritated that people critique their work. As though they were somehow immune from criticism for some reason. And CinemaSins always struck me as being a series where the creators didn't like being questioned.

@louiscarl7629

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 We know when their joking, and when their making serious criticisms of films. It's actually people like you who don't know when they're joking.

@donhudson6251

4 жыл бұрын

@@louiscarl7629 honestly,these are the same people who cancel comedians for not understanding a joke.

Oh god, I scared my coworkers bursting out laughing at that Onion article title: "Popular New Amazon Service Just Comes to Your House and Kills You" Now THAT is satire

@pabloosset2533

4 жыл бұрын

Fuck me, that's brilliant XD

@raymondhepner4365

4 жыл бұрын

That and the “Dark Souls is not a horror game, because genres do not exist” got me

"stabbed him 37 times in the chest". Can't blame you Jay, sometimes your stomach makes the rumblies that only hands can satisfy.

@joolsthebass

5 жыл бұрын

Best. Quote. Ever.

@shadowrev2914

5 жыл бұрын

I love this reference.

@el-dp9cg

5 жыл бұрын

I was looking through the comments to see if anyone else got the reference😂

@SentiNel090

5 жыл бұрын

37? In a row?

@jevmat5263

5 жыл бұрын

He kept falling on the knife man

I love that whenever they say "We inspired channels" or "We've been compared to Donald Trump" they never give names. They want to keep these crtiques out of context, so that the people watching their video won't look for them, and won't find out that the person criticising them is right.

@chromasus9983

5 жыл бұрын

To be fair, most people leave out whoever is actually making accusations against them because it could potentially make you seem like an ass. There's been numerous cases of fanbases going after content creators despite pleas not to. If CinemaSins *did* mention the channels, I'd expect their huge fanbase to start flooding onto channels like Jay's and leaving loads of negative comments and dislikes in their wake.

@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845

5 жыл бұрын

@@chromasus9983 Didn't think about this. Good point.

@HiperPivociarz

5 жыл бұрын

@@chromasus9983 Yeah, but it's still seems like a manipulation tactic, because if you don't actually show clips of people saying the things you are alluding to, then no one can prove you wrong.

@Th3Birdman

5 жыл бұрын

​@@chromasus9983 I would disagree that this is what they're doing. I know for a fact (if you check out my video) that there were over 140 mentions of my name in the comment section of the Everything Wrong With CinemaSins Vol 2 video (I provided a screenshot), one of which was a top comment with over 300 likes. At the time I was ready to upload my video, there were only 40, and that top comment was completely gone. Yesterday I checked again, just for shits and giggles, and there were only 14! CinemaSins had been deleting comments that included any variation of "Birdman", and it was so bad, some people were spelling my name as "B1rdman". This shows that they aren't trying to mitigate negativity coming to our channels, but are doing as CookieMastah said-- trying to avoid people searching for us, watching our work, and maybe realizing that they're full of shit. Hell, they deleted my parody video that was up on their subreddit as recent as a month ago. Videos like this one that Jay made definitively show that they manipulate people into believing anything, and they don't want this getting out.

@starkiller1289

5 жыл бұрын

The only channels I'm aware of that admit to doing CinemaSins style content are things like GamingSins and GCN maybe Animation Sins

I honestly I love CinemaWins. Their praise seems legit compare to CinemaSins.

@ethanwatson6131

4 жыл бұрын

yeaahhh cinemawins makes me feel good and actually points out accurate information about movies. It’s not only less cynical it’s less lazy

@thebystander1636

4 жыл бұрын

Cinema Wins just observes what is seen in screen, and often goes way too deep analyzing scenes that aren't meant to be deep in the first place.. CinemaWins: "You see how the tree has snow on it? It symbolizes the weight of climate change in this region, and how the antagonist is contributing to the problem. It's this snowy tree that gives the protagonist the will and courage to battle the evil! So surreal and deep!" Screenwriter: It was just snowing in the scene... Wtf?"

@AM-uk3vm

4 жыл бұрын

@@thebystander1636 your point?

@thebystander1636

4 жыл бұрын

@@AM-uk3vm I believe I got my point across very well. Sorry you are too dumb to see it.

@AM-uk3vm

4 жыл бұрын

@@thebystander1636 No, you made an observation not a point...

CinemaSins fans will say that people who “hate” the channel shouldn’t take it seriously because it’s satire. I don’t care if it’s satire. I care if the content is good, and CinemaSins has gotten very stale. This is partly due to the videos being 2 to 3 times longer than when they started out. And there’s also a serious tone shift that doesn’t sit right with the context of what they’re doing. Before they were deadpan, blunt and serious. Now they lack that sense of straightforwardness. Before, Jeremy got to the point, but later almost everything took several sentences to explain. You might think I’m projecting, but when you tell a joke it has to be spontaneous in a way. It can be long and that can work, but when the audience has to look between the lines to get the punchline the joke loses its effect. Whether or not CinemaSins is satire, its content, jokes, and overall presence has gotten boring.

@Vic_Lit344

4 жыл бұрын

Their are no replies cause the cinemasins have nothing to say lol

@lovipoekimo176

3 жыл бұрын

Precisely

@loturzelrestaurant

3 жыл бұрын

What dumb fans. Yikes.

@flamecharge8019

2 жыл бұрын

They used to be good but the 20 mins video makes money more than the 3 mins kinda sad

First video was a fun poke at themselves. This time they're so bitter and angry about the criticism the whole video can just be summed up as them saying "nu-uh!!" like you said.

@louiscarl7629

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 Can you provide any evidence for this statement?

@pierresland

4 жыл бұрын

Gabe Carl spoiler alert: he can’t LMAO

@PCGamingClassix

4 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 you sound like ea defending lootboxes as in unexpected surprises

@MrElionor

4 жыл бұрын

@@louiscarl7629 Like he literally posted the the time stamp wth else do you want?

@louiscarl7629

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrElionor To explain how it proves his point in any way.

Hey Jay, I know your opinion on CinemaSins but what do you think about CinemaWins?

@joolsthebass

5 жыл бұрын

I think it's pretty clear from his comments on cinemasinssinssins2 that he loves them. Edit: But for what it's worth, I'd like to hear him talk about them too.

@alicebunnymera

5 жыл бұрын

based on his deadpool and suicide squad vids he likes cinemawins

@rebeccalm99

5 жыл бұрын

personally, i think it's such a sweet idea and the world needs more channels like it. if there's one thing i hate about youtube it's that so many popular users get that way by being constantly negative and it's nice to see that be combatted!

@poweron1537

5 жыл бұрын

I heard (above me) that he likes CinemaWins. And... I would say that CinemaSins is the other side of the same coin (CW finds joy and happiness in movies, while CS are looking for every chance to spit on movies). I must say, i like both of them :D Ever-optimist CW, and always-assholes CS are both great in completing each other - just like BATMAN and JOKER did :D

@evowarrior5

5 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccalm99 This. I was watching a video a while ago about a movie and the guy started off by bashing into the film's flaws, almost sounding like the whole thing is a pile of crap. And only halfway through the film does he say "overall this is a very decent movie". But starting with that wouldn't get as many clicks, it's much more exciting and controversial to put out the bashing foremost.

I really enjoy the irony of Cinema Sins fans being unable to handle nitpicks and corrections for videos comprised almost entirely of incorrect nitpicks

Unfortunately cinema sins became one of those KZread channels that became too big and therefore feel like they are automatically awesome and above criticism. The channel used to be good fun because he was just pointing out the plot holes during movies for a laugh but now he seems to be forcing himself to find faults in places they don't exist just for the sake of it. If it's supposed to be critique, it's wrong. If it's supposed to be funny, it's not.

“If they don’t bother you personally, it doesn’t mean they aren’t problems. It just means you can overlook them.” Someone put this quote on a plaque. I wanna hang it on my wall.

@inkmaster5480

5 жыл бұрын

Where is that quote from?

@gamerguys83

5 жыл бұрын

20:59-21:04 of the video.

@seanboland4671

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah but if you ever have a cinemasins fan over they'll just pretend like it doesn't exist

@seanboland4671

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah but if you ever have a cinemasins fan over they'll just pretend like it doesn't exist

@Gemnist98

5 жыл бұрын

But we don't know where you live. Even if we could put it on a plaque, how are we going to get it to your house?... Jokes aside, this honestly goes both ways. I feel that, regardless of whether or not they are problems, people tend to take them too seriously with CinemaSins, and that they should learn to let mistakes of others go sometimes and try to be reasonable with any criticism. I'm not saying people shouldn't criticize CinemaSins, and I understand that what I'm asking is impossible on the Internet. I'm just saying they should take a more measured approach, weighing the good with the bad. And for the record, of the four big channels that criticize CinemaSins daily, Jay Exci is probably the one who matches this most closely.

I used to like cinemasins until cinemawins came out, seeing someone praise the small details in a body of work kinda made me realize how lame it is to sit there and tear apart hundreds of peoples hard work without any significant critisims

@straffordsaints7816

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! Same!

@MikeRotch24

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah honestly, I'd been in a burnt out state of mind of all the negativity in cinemasins and just needed a positivity overload from cinemawins

@Simboiss

5 жыл бұрын

It's simply not your cup of tea. Thumb down the video (because this tool is meant for the viewer, not the author), and go on with your life.

@snkybrki

5 жыл бұрын

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others wont.

@SETHthegodofchaos

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

always remember: "nitpicks" are usually not erroneous, just pedantic

@Soridan

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, the word gets misused a lot. Nitpicking is valid criticism, the flaws pointed out are just small.

Missed a good opportunity to call the video, "Everything wrong with everything wrong with cinema sins part II (Part 1)."

@nathansteele4358

2 жыл бұрын

Incredible

Intentional (minor) errors are also an SEO tactic. It increases engagement by encouraging people to correct them which may spark discussion. It may also bait people into sharing their error / content with others.

@Shenaldrac

5 жыл бұрын

SEO?

@user-qu2jc2ro7x

5 жыл бұрын

god that makes so much sense

@PlayGlow

5 жыл бұрын

Shenaldrac search engine optimization, I believe

@digitalunity

5 жыл бұрын

So what you're saying is that videos like these are only encouraging them to get more things wrong because all press is good press? Who could've guessed that yelling about something makes people look at it.

@seanboland4671

5 жыл бұрын

@@Shenaldrac So Effing Oawesome

My honest belief is that at first, CinemaSins was parody at first, but they've been smelling their own farts too much and now believe their own spew.

@Leiliel1

5 жыл бұрын

My opinion exactly.

@zackrose6261

5 жыл бұрын

The problem being, at first, Cinemasins actually pointed out actual critiques and flaws, now their videos are filled with BS

@zackrose6261

5 жыл бұрын

@SpiritWolf2K If you have watched their older videos, you would notice that their videos actually had proper flaws pointed out with jokes mixed in. Now there are a lot of wrong statements, really shitty jokes and lack of anything decent. You know who gives a shit, people who actually understand that a big channel like theirs can actually influence people not to watch movies.

@jordanfirebomb4950

5 жыл бұрын

@Ian Knight I think you should reread your comment and then you'll understand why people get upset about it

@sign543

5 жыл бұрын

Ian Knight - No. It’s not like that. It would be like if a notable film critic, like...Siskel & Ebert from years ago...purposely maligned (made grossly incorrect observations about) a film in a “review” where it purports to be serious criticism...Siskel &Ebert would know that what they do WILL have a significant impact on the viewership..which is messing with someone’s ability to make income. That’s where you start to infringe on intellectual property. Real film critics understand that film critiquing requires honesty & INTEGRITY, because they understand the ramifications of making dishonest critiques and misleading the public. People DO rely on big-name film critics to inform their film choices. Can it be measured? Perhaps. Either way, CS takes NO responsibility for the damage they do. None. Zero. They are ONLY after money. That’s beyond shitty.

Movie: Exist Cinema Sins: I see this as an absolute sin!

“Cinema sins is a comedy channel” would be fine if cinema sins was actually funny.

@anthonyontv1061

4 жыл бұрын

Rocel13 Junio yeah, wish this comment was funny the 100th time I saw someone steal it

@anthonyontv1061

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Black that has nothing to do with why joke stealing is not cool.

@anthonyontv1061

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Black the OP's comment

@anthonyontv1061

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Black OP=original poster

@favray

3 жыл бұрын

Haha haven’t seen this comment 100 times before u said it :/ ur real funny bro

My main problem with Cinema Sins is they are SO boring. Anything over 13 minutes at least

bUUt jaAy iTs sATiRe

@Nugcon

5 жыл бұрын

Jay: Ah shit here we go again

@jerrysteve3415

5 жыл бұрын

but there is in his newest video

@dongxx

5 жыл бұрын

Math much?

@user-lynKx

5 жыл бұрын

Dammit. I come down here to type the exact same thing but it already has 461 likes. Still tho, the guy's named diam0ndMiner64. How tf can I fight that?

@godlygamer911

5 жыл бұрын

you say that like it's untrue

i'm pretty sure that if someone has to explain why or how they're funny...then they're not very funny to begin with.

If only they had just said, “Don’t take anything we say at all ever or allow us to change your mind.” And followed it.

I honestly get more out of the videos dissecting CinemaSins mistakes then actual CinemaSins videos

@rajathyagaraj1061

5 жыл бұрын

CinemaSins, WatchMojo are like cancer of KZread

@DurtyDan

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 1: Fucking how is he twisting their words? 2: When someone says "here's a video that explains mu point better than i can more concisely" that's not a bad thing.

@tripled2505

4 жыл бұрын

@@DurtyDan it's not supposed to be taken seriously

@w00ds98

4 жыл бұрын

Eric Zhang you‘re taking Jai way too seriously. This video is just satire!

"It's a comedy channel" Well, to quote Dexter Grif from Red Vs Blue: "No, dude, jokes are funny"

@snkybrki

5 жыл бұрын

Comedy is relevant to the viewer.

@SETHthegodofchaos

5 жыл бұрын

@@snkybrki I guess there will always be mediocre quality in everything for those who truly enjoy it. Birds of a feather flock together.

@snkybrki

5 жыл бұрын

@@SETHthegodofchaos True, but mediocrity is a measure of something being surpassed. I can't think of very many channels who have expanded upon CS' work.

@SETHthegodofchaos

5 жыл бұрын

@@snkybrki Well, if it gets surpassed then there must be a good reason why it gets surpassed. Someone might be more passionate. Someone might put in a lot of time and/or a lot of effort. Maybe he figured out a reliable method to get shit done fast. But CS is just lazy. Probably because they can get away with it. Its mindless. And deceiving at times. They know exactly what they are doing. They are indeed assholes, just bigger ones than they think they are.

@derpyboi8591

5 жыл бұрын

@@SETHthegodofchaos "I don't agree with your humor, thus its mediocre" get over yourself, just because you don't find it funny doesn't make it bad, it just means their content isn't for you

The first "everything wrong with cinemasins" video really nailed the whole "we are satire" point. The second one idk... Not so much. It made the whole thing more serious, while the first one they made correctly displayed their channels intended parody style.

"We're not critics, we're assholes" is the weakest defense they possibly could've come up with. How does that make them immune to criticism? Psychopaths don't care about killing because they're psychopaths. That doesn't making killing suddenly ok. I know that's a bit of a straw-man, but I'm not trying to say critiquing movies is akin to murder, rather that saying "We don't care" is not any kind of excuse. In any universe. Furthermore, regardless of whether or not they're actually doing damage to the movie industry, they're pissing me off through my friends. Not mad at my friends for watching CinemaSins or anything, but multiple times I've gone to see movies with them. Movies they've watched CinemaSins' "reviews" of beforehand. And it just makes the whole thing... not fun. They complain about the movie before they've even seen it, and usually it leads them to having a bad experience watching the movie. Movies aren't supposed to get you worked up like that. They're supposed to be fun! And satire is supposed to be fun! So CLEARLY what they're doing isn't satire. Or else people wouldn't believe it enough to have it ruin movies for them.

Many years ago, CinemaSins did an AMA on Reddit, and I asked "When the hell are you going to do a video on The Godfather?" Jeremy responded with "Soon." 4 years later, there is not a video about The Godfather on CinemaSins. I'm starting to think that he isn't going to make it.

@Navigator2001Plus

5 жыл бұрын

It'll go up the same week The Godfather Part IV comes out in theaters.

@7stryder7x23

5 жыл бұрын

It's because when CS starts work on it, he starts to cry, alone and sad, because he doesn't even have a Godfather to his name, while these fictional funky italians apparently get their own gang about having Godfathers? But no, alas, C-Section Sins doesn't even get his own Godfather. Life is hard, man.

For years I really loved CinemaSins, and I basically thought that yeah, things that sounded like jokes were jokes, and things that sounded like criticisms of the movie were legitimate criticisms of the movie. I sometimes noticed that a criticism was based on a misunderstanding or misinformation, and I commented to correct them, but my attitude towards movies and what I thought of movies was definitely very influenced by them. Then I found your channel and Birdman like a few months ago and it's blown me away just how much of their criticisms are actually unfounded or at least debatable. I just implicitly trusted that things they actually said about the movie, as the basis for their nitpicks and jokes, were in themselves accurate.

@GBDupree

5 жыл бұрын

The main reason you didn't notice at first is because it wasn't as bad at first. But their videos were also shorter, so they didn't need to fill time with nonsense. But yeah I noticed their sins became more and more unfounded as time went on. At this point I honestly don't think they say a single true statement on films anymore. But they used to point out genuine flaws, often camera flaws (like stuff in reflections, or things changing between shots.) And it was fun. Now it's just boring.

@snkybrki

5 жыл бұрын

@@GBDupree CS tends to focus more on the humor side of the spectrum than the criticism side. Originally, it was relatively split, but they've maneuvered over to more humorous territory.

@onijester56

5 жыл бұрын

As GB points out, a lot of it started as relatively that: the criticisms were typically genuine and the jokes were typically obvious. However, the criticisms became more obtuse through various degrees and the jokes became more subtle. I didn't even initially dislike them because of their inaccuracies but because they wouldn't remove sins. "This movie doesn't explain this thing", followed by them sinning the movie for explaining the thing in a later scene. This, at some point, became them outright leaving out the explanation so they could sin the movie for not explaining what the movie explained...which they did for a movie I had previously in the day watched on Netflix, and so I pointed out that they literally cut out the explanation that the movie literally had less than a scene before to sin the movie for not having the explanation the movie literally had less than a scene before. And then I stopped watching the video, the first CinemaSins video I did not complete.

@dupersuper6516

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think birdman is any better tho, he hides from criticism behind "I love cinema sins so you can't call me out I'm layered satire" Basically claiming you missed the point while encouraging that cinema sins is okay I don't like that either

@anthonylongoria2638

5 жыл бұрын

That's pretty much the point, why would you take any of it seriously when you have this thing called your own opinions?

If you take away the " * ding * " sound and the "Sins counter" all CinemaSins is really doing is a really bad explanation of the plot.

@DriscolDevil

2 жыл бұрын

I never thought of doing that before. It's like taking the laugh track out of the big bang theory. (Btw those videos exist, check it out. It's not "bad jokes" but mostly just lifeless dialog with laugh tracks thrown in every five seconds. It is bizzare.)

CinemaSins are cowards on top of all this, considering they're too afraid to directly reference their criticizers' videos. They just say "well SOME PEOPLE say THIS VERY SPECIFIC THING ABOUT US" and everyone knows who they're talking about. But they're too scared to actually say who. Probably because their audience might go check out the person's video, realize that CinemaSins is cringe and an embarrassing thing to be a fan of, and stop watching.

Did you make a llamas with hats reference?

@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr

5 жыл бұрын

Nathan Rickard I could tell that he made a llamas with hats reference in his video because I’m a huge fan of Filmcows videos.

Absolutely nobody: Sin counter: *Bing*

@anthonyontv1061

4 жыл бұрын

LV4C well this doesn’t work cause it would actually go Nobody: Cinema sins: *bing* But nice try....

@cyan789

3 жыл бұрын

Or you could just not type that useless comment because the Nobody meme is cancer

@omnical6135

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyan789 or maybe you could just not type that useless comment because hating on the nobody meme is cancer

“No uh we meant to do that. We MEANT to get it wrong”

@yumm186

3 жыл бұрын

Mayonnaise _is_ an instrument

@thewallfangirl2980

3 жыл бұрын

@@yumm186 No Patrick mayonnaise is not A instrument

@yumm186

3 жыл бұрын

@@thewallfangirl2980 kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2me0MitcrTdYrg.html

"Satire is not bankruptcy, you can't just declare it."

"Heres a summary of volume 2" *ad about failing to fix a bathroom plays*

Cinema sins would be perfectly fine, if they didn’t get things intentionally wrong in a way that sounds like it might actually be right, because since they mix in real criticisms, and title their videos everything wrong with, they end up misrepresenting the movie and make it look worse than it actually is, which is extremely unfair and just wrong. You can use satire and use satire to make genuine criticisms, you can be assholes who intentionally get things wrong to mock real movie reviewers, but once you actually criticise a movie, and actually criticise a movie by making things up, that’s when things go wrong, you are no longer criticising movies reviewers, you are criticising movies becoming the thing you were satirising. Basically cinemasins became the thing they were supposed to destroy

@jerryborjon

5 жыл бұрын

They get things intentionally wrong to excuse the times when they attempt to critique a film, but end up doing it terribly. That way, they can excuse the terrible criticisms as ‘intentionally wrong sins.’

@nexusshark

5 жыл бұрын

Basically the argument is "Whenever we said something inaccurate, we *totally* did that on purpose. No, we *totally* don't say that to save our faces. Honest."

@Shenaldrac

5 жыл бұрын

"I fucked up on purpose, so it's okay!" I hate this mindset. Just because you intended to be factually incorrect doesn't make it okay. Just because you acknowledge that you are assholes doesn't make being an asshole okay. Should we forgive anyone who is being crass or offensive as long as they know that and are doing so intentionally? I think not.

@Richard_Nickerson

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they could be funny. Some of their most sarcastic sins are really funny. But every straight up wrong sin, especially when delivered sincerely, is super annoying. And I've seen lots of people use their videos as reasons not to watch a movie, old and new.

@rexedous3908

5 жыл бұрын

Well, they arn't criticizing a movie so much as messigg around. Some of the points may be critiques, but they don't care.

I personally enjoy Cinema Sins and I agree with basically everything you said. I can just overlook them and still find the videos funny

@prest4145

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a nice way to look at it and thanks for not engorging their point.

@T-minus-infinite

2 жыл бұрын

@@prest4145 engorging?

@prest4145

2 жыл бұрын

love auto correct Lmao.

"...So I guess this is just icing on the cake of I am right." Jay Exci: the real life Fawful.

duuuuude you're taking cinmasins way to seriosly

@FrostedFlakes1800

5 жыл бұрын

This comment coming from you is just a whole other level of big brain comedy

@daymi7300

5 жыл бұрын

@@FrostedFlakes1800 ??he's right? they've said multiples times that they're aren't being serious and anyone with a working brain who watches it can see that they're not seriously reviewing a show. it's like calling out gloria borger for delivering fake news

@fleshautomatonanimatedbyne6327

5 жыл бұрын

@@daymi7300 my fucking god. Whatch the video fuckass

@michaellochran6913

5 жыл бұрын

Daymi r/whoosh

@octobotimus

5 жыл бұрын

@@fleshautomatonanimatedbyne6327 YOU are definitely taking this way too seriously.

Meet me outside to fight. I agree with you. I just want to fight.

@gustavowadaslopes2479

4 жыл бұрын

Could we meet on the place which can't be talked about.

@gjj6331

4 жыл бұрын

Who won?

@omnical6135

3 жыл бұрын

who won?

@arqueeevist

3 жыл бұрын

@@omnical6135 covid

Took 3 years to make that plot hole video

There was a channel which translated CinemaSins to my native language, and it was pretty good, around of 90% sins made sense or at least were good jokes. But they stopped (the channel still exists). Now I understand why, they run out of decent material to translate.

Nah man dont you see its satire *of satire* they're geniuses on a level we cant possibly comprehend. It's like post-postmodernism

@Gemnist98

5 жыл бұрын

Only SOME of the jokes are satirical. Not the entire concept. The definition of satire is "the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices". Only some of their jokes fit that description, while others fit other descriptions. I think what people have a problem with is not that they don't think it's satire (as they like to claim), but that there's a level of inconsistency with the style of humor. Sins jump from one form of humor to another without any warning, and the way I see it, people take issue with that because they only want one style of humor.

@Gemnist98

5 жыл бұрын

@@qledei5874 Dammit you're right.

@blazrrr-4082

5 жыл бұрын

That's some Kanye West levels of thinking right there

'Oh hey! Hbomberguy cameo...oh no, wait, thats just your voice' (me about 20 times during this video)

I used to really like them but at the end of the day they made a single mistake, however, they commited the ultimate sin... They became boring...

if their videos are satire why did people take the Kong video seriously enough to negatively review it on imdb. or was he joking when he said they singlehandedly kept it from a 7.0? because it didn't sound like he was joking

@crazyweirdgirl115

5 жыл бұрын

it's only satire when people disagree with them

@QuikVidGuy

4 жыл бұрын

@@crazyweirdgirl115 how did it sound like anything other than a joke

@crazyweirdgirl115

4 жыл бұрын

@@QuikVidGuyi'm not talking about that one particular line. I'm talking about the rest of the videos. Jeremy pretends he mixes humour and serious criticism, so that when someone disagrees with his critisism he can pretend it's satire. But it's pretty obvious that a good chunk of the stuff in his videos aren't jokes.

That GDELB guy is a masterclass. Do you have some kind of issue with his content? Because it does take a high IQ to understand The Red Car Law.

@franciscorendon2783

5 жыл бұрын

I heard he predicted the 2020 election... By playing Darksouls. What a genius.

@minimundus1712

5 жыл бұрын

Ohh Mauler you here i think you should invite that Jay guy to efap he seems to be a fine lad

@joolsthebass

5 жыл бұрын

@@minimundus1712 just don't do it on a day that cinemasins is due to release a biggie

@krennicsaspirations4883

5 жыл бұрын

Jay should get that GDELB guy on JFAP.

@kush2319

5 жыл бұрын

Hi, I know you don’t care but for some reason I feel the need to comment this. I don’t like you or your videos. I watched a couple. I dunno what it is in particular or why I’m commenting this. But, yeah. That’s all. Sorry

KZreadrs: make good criticism about Cinema sins Cinema sins fans: "wait that's illegal" Edit: holy mary of mosses that's alot of likes... thanks fellas

@wheezel3481

5 жыл бұрын

Calm down mate it's just satire

@ChrisOvens51

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 Bro it's satire why are you taking it so seriously

@UnfunnyFigs

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 bro it's just satire

@ElanaVital83

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 If you don't like this video, just tell yourself it's satire, sweetheart ❤

@louiscarl7629

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericzhang7658 For your first argument, this sin being incorrect is notable because CinemaSins choose it as an example of real critique for this video. The fact that it's . . . wrong shows how little effort cinemasins puts into fact-checking their work. Also, he did not nitpick that argument, it's pretty fucking easy for any sane person to see the gaping hole in that sin. And he refers to arguments left by defenders of cinemasins because he has already explained why he doesn't like them (because their wrong a lot), so he is addressing other people's explanations for their mistakes. For your next two examples of why this video is bad, Jay's argument about the subtext makes sense considering how this video acts as a passive-agressive response to criticism. If they weren't trying to show that they weren't joyless assholes, then why did they even show their twitter? In the same vein, what cinemasins says about the movie industry serves no real purpose unless it is addressing criticism in some way. Also, for your last point, how is pointing out someone being wrong bad criticism? Isn't that what criticism . . . is.

Using "It's just satire" as an excuse to justify the idea that cs does not actually criticise at all is as bad as saying "it's just a prank bro" after punching a stranger in public for the fun of it

@AstraAnima

5 жыл бұрын

So falsely "critiquing" a movie is akin to punching a stranger in public?

@pesky2119

5 жыл бұрын

@@AstraAnima Maybe not the same severity but definitely the gist of it

Narration: *exists* CinemaSins: Im about to end this mans whole career

4 words: They. Sin(ned). Stan. Lee. Shameful

@JarthenGreenmeadow

5 жыл бұрын

You should look up what his manager did to him.

@livanbard

5 жыл бұрын

stan lee? that guy who stole jack kirby lifework? whatever bro.

@lurkenvoncurken518

5 жыл бұрын

@@livanbard Actually did some research on this and I'm guessing you're one of those people who dislike or even hate Stanley Leiber because of his discrediting of many authors and artist for the creation of characters, art, and stories and giving credit to himself. Hope you appreciate my research into the matter.

@MrStars-bj9yf

4 жыл бұрын

Marcelo Nunes jack Kirby’s lifework? Stan Lee came up with the characters and the story’s, people like jack Kirby and Steve Ditkco came up with the final designs and made the art

@Ze_eT

4 жыл бұрын

@Liz Lee Every person has good and bad. Maybe they created something great but with bad intentions. Maybe they have become a sellout. I mean, back in the 90s, Hammerman was really popular for his good songs, but then you also had the Hammerman Cartoon. What makes a person better is how much good compared to bad they have. Of course aren't they immune to sin (CinemaSins sin, even though actual sins would be true too). However, there is a difference sinning someone because of a legitimate flaw and sinning someone because they are said person. That isn't hate because of someone's actions. That is hate just to be different.

Quick criticism about their podcast episode count: 174 may be how many they had at the time of recording, but at ANY point in the future when someone actually watches their video, they will have added at least 1 more episode, hence, completely accurate! Not defending them as a whole, just a minor aside.

@LetsCrashThisParade

5 жыл бұрын

Plus they do mini pod's, and I'm not sure they count those to the total main episode count. Could be wrong and they might though haha

Half of CinemaSins’ nitpicks shouldn’t be sins. “Someone is talking, that’s bad!” “There’s narration, *DING*” They can’t expect to do the same thing for 7 years and still expect people to like it. It gets stale. CinemaWins is far more enjoyable.

CinemaSins motto: you can’t criticise it if you call it satire

Cinema sins: because pointing out your flaws instantly justifies them

Honestly i like CinemaSins, and i don't really care if is satiry or whatever It does entertain me, and never stoped me for watching a movie Quite the opposite actually

@ZealStarMedia

5 жыл бұрын

Tiago Lima Honestly CinemaSins are hardly ever mean spirited about their videos, I get that people don’t like their erratic use of jokes and criticism as well as their purposeful incorrectness to illicit responses, but in my opinion it’s just their own flawed way of having fun. I think this video IS taking CinemaSins criticism too personally.

@onijester56

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZealStarMedia Part of it is that CinemaSins...if they weren't mean-spirited they wouldn't cut scenes to specifically allow them to sin the movie. "The movie doesn't explain this thing in the movie"...IT LITERALLY EXPLAINED IT FIVE SECONDS EARLIER. Being deceitful about something isn't funny. It's either ignorant or malicious, and since there is intent in what they cut out of the movie for their review the logical conclusion is malice. On that same token, they will sin a movie for not explaining something earlier in the film and then sin the movie again for explaining the thing that the movie "didn't explain". And they'll sin a movie for "exposition" that explains something before the thing shows up, and then later sin the movie when that thing shows up (for either the contrivance of the thing being expositioned happening, or some other similar reason). These aren't funny. Making them, relying on them so heavily and so consistently, isn't funny. It's boring. They are being malicious while making boring content. ----- And note this ignores the erratic mix of jokes and criticisms or their "purposeful incorrectness to illicit responses". This ignores the overt padding for the sake of extending the time of their videos, and their formulaic nature. This is just the explicit meanness of their spirit as demonstrated through a form of 'sin' they regularly and consistently issue. ---- And all of that said, there are genuine jokes and good points they make. There's this potential for CinemaSins to be something better than it's been the last few years...and it's disappointing that they don't try to reach that potential. It's disheartening that they resort to mean-spirited cheap-tricks like cutting explanations or double-striking a thing through sinning both the explanation and the thing when there's no comedic or critical intention behind doing so. Hell, CinemaSins critiques (as exemplified by many of this channel's videos) often include scenes where CinemaSins will state they like a thing without qualification...but the sin counter will still go up. And...like...do you find shit like that funny? Because I don't. Least of all when it becomes a standard occurrence marking that they even consider "good things" to be sins.

@sabershikik9351

5 жыл бұрын

damn boi can u spell

@randomstranger623

5 жыл бұрын

​@@ZealStarMedia nah, seems the opposite. If they-who-must-not-be-named, because I'm never gonna ever fucking say their name ever again from this point on, really am just letting the criticism slide, they'd honestly be able to, I don't know, actually be able to correctly show the criticism. From this video right here alone, I've seen two very prominent strawmen with the arguments. 1. The whole mixing jokey criticism vs serious ones, math what? The math one from bobsvids, presumably, was not even part of the argument, it's just meant to fluff the vid, tbh. The main issue is, as bobsvids pointed out, that mixing jokey criticisms with serious ones without ever making those two distinct from each other is just hard. It's kinda like this nobody (that wants to make a KZread channel soon, but would probably just make it as a hobby because KZread is utter shite and it's far to late to get even 10k subs at this point) just shift my tone from saying Voldemort bad to Voldemort cancelled, because they fucking killed my dog, they fucking killed the movie industry, they fucking killed my sanity, and they fucking killed anyone ever thinking for less than 5 seconds with what horseshit they're saying; and also telling you none of those things are fake. Three of those are true, guess which one. Basically, I would be fine watching cinemasins again if they weren't muddying up what is a jokey criticism and a serious one, because idk, I've seen their Coco video and not once do I notice a different tone for when they do those two things. 2. The SEO thing. Bobsvids literally said it's not bad to use tricks to get clicks. It's that when you do it all the time, I don't think you're ever gonna say anything remotely substancial. It's a great tool to be in the know, but yeah, if you're just gonna make something just for the sake of being able to churn out something on your once-successful KZread channel, you'd be just like a Buzzfeed article writer. Not saying it's not fine to enjoy unsubstantial videos, I watch those sometimes, tbh, but idk, I've heard people taking cinemasins way too seriously (saying people wouldn't watch it because cinemasins already explained everything about it), and taking their shit as real criticism. If even one person believed in teir bullshit, yeah, I'd be happy to ask them to maybe, just maybe, start showing which ones are real and which ones are jokes. Also, as the video pointed out, what about the inaccuracies is funny? One thing I got my tatas unhakuna'd would be the guitar thing from their Coco video, because just 10 seconds into the movie, you CAN CLEARLY SEE ERNESTO GIVING THE FUCKING THING TO AN ON-STAGE ASSISTANT. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, AT LEAST CRITICIZE A MOVIE WITHOUT INTENTIONALLY REMOVING STUFF UP! Sorry, sorry, broke my phone just a while back, but yes, I am sort of calm now. Anyway, yeah, that's it. Voldemort is bad, but their redemption arc is very easy. Just actually have something accurate to say bad about movies. If you really wanna make jokey criticisms, try distinguishing them. Use a girly voice or whatever. And for the love of God, stop intentionally misinterpreting things. Everything wrong with everything wrong videos show at least 100, I believe. Have only seen the EWWEWW Cabin in the Woods one. Random Stranger out to this 5000000-word essay.

@ZealStarMedia

5 жыл бұрын

Looks like I hurt some feelings...

I'm glad this video exists. I hate people who criticize movies/books/ tv shows because they were too lazy/dumb to apply any form of critical thinking or even basic logic. Cinema Sins is a great example of this.

@JayExci

5 жыл бұрын

Okay Eric you seem to be assaulting my comment section so let me explain this to you. This person said "they were too lazy/dumb to apply any form of critical thinking or even basic logic." CinemaSins are not serious criticism but the jokes they make are based in logic and picking holes in the movies. Unfortunately the logic they use is often flawed. The fact that they're not trying to be serious is not relevant because what they're doing is still based in logic that they get wrong.

Why they include inaccuarcies on purpose: >be completly wrong >people flock to the comments to correct them >massive increase in traffic >repeat

Honestly, I wish CinemaSins was exclusively satire. At present they're intentionally-critical reviews of films with jokes thrown in. The people who take them too seriously are their fans who watch their videos and assume the movies are automatically bad. Which is especially terrible if it's based on inaccuracies.

@francoisdelrio1824

5 жыл бұрын

dude, you like most of the people in the comments are the ONLY ones taking them seriously, fans know that they are are just jokes. sin counter has gone up to the thousands, millions and even ininity at times, because its clearly a joke.. i dont know why so many people latch onto these other youtubers who try to poke holes in the CS structure/formula rather than coming up with their OWN content for their OWN channel

@FlamezOfGamez

5 жыл бұрын

@@francoisdelrio1824 When we say that the CinemaSins audience takes the videos seriously, we don't mean that they think that these videos are the be all and end all of discussion surrounding the movie. We don't think that people go to watch a CinemaSins video expecting nothing but cold hard facts about every single last wrong detail. What we mean is that when Jeremy goes and say something like, "Why wasn't this explained? *Ding*", the audience assumes that the film in question did not actually give an explanation for such a thing. The problem comes when CinemaSins is often wrong about sins like that, but the audience is none the wiser unless they've seen the film. This is all "taking things seriously" means in this context.

@kenzij

5 жыл бұрын

@@FlamezOfGamez Yeah, I never would've gotten all that from "taking things seriously". Maybe you should replace it with "believe inaccuracies" or something, I don't know. But when someone says they take a thing seriously I understand that to mean that they believe that thing to be important and not a laughing matter.

Just looking at the side-by-side between the two makes me realize how much slower their opening is. I guess you gotta stretch the runtime somehow! Also, gotta love how the channel literally built around the premise that any movie can be criticized is suddenly immune from criticisms because... reasons. I’ve noticed something else: CinemaSins has gotten pretty cynical over the years. At first, you could tell they were at least having fun with it. The faster pace, less harsh tone, and not-so-homogeneous format was a testament to that. But once they started getting bigger, they took it “seriously”. They started to sound more like a somewhat aggressive critic who felt ticked off just being there. There are moments where he breaks this, but most of the time he’s just annoyed. Not angry, annoyed. And that’s not fun. He’s become just another dime-a-dozen critic on the internet relaying and spreading their discontent to us. CinemaWins on the other hand? While there are bits of fluff and some moments where you disagree with him, there’s also legitimate film critique in there. He talks about the cinematography, the writing, the direction, filmmaking, etc. He actually enjoys what he does (even when he does a bad movie). He points out little details and themes throughout the movie, and that encourages us to search for the same things in other movies. Even if you don’t like the film, he expresses his opinions honestly and even addresses criticisms against it. As the antithesis of CinemaSins, it’s excellent for what it is. Sorry for all the edits. This is just how I collect my thoughts while I watch the video.

@FixTheWi-Fi

5 жыл бұрын

CinemaWins even acknowledges when a movie is objectively bad, (The Last Airbender being a particular example) while SIns tear into everything they possibly can with the only "positives" being the occasional joke.

@molberding5

5 жыл бұрын

@@FixTheWi-Fi That's probably one of the best examples of how they differ. If I were to get someone into CinemaWins, that's the one I'd recommend seeing just to show that it isn't just positivity. There's actual analysis in there, and I wish more people would watch and appreciate it. Even in good movies, he talks about things he doesn't particularly like. He's become a recent favorite of mine

@Old_Salt

5 жыл бұрын

Did you hear yourself? You are comparing cinemaSINS to cinemaWINS , it is fucking obvious. One is gonna praise each little thing while the other will do the complete opposite. You get to choose what to watch. This is laughable.

@mcthuggin9803

5 жыл бұрын

@@Old_Salt honestly you're laughable, neither of those channels do JUST THAT. Cinema sins manipulates the movie, Their video, and the viewer, with zero legitimate criticism, with only shitty, memes and bandwagon to get views, they will straight ruin a person's experience, and dont say "oh it's just a joke" check how many comments say "Thanks! Now I dont have to watch this shitty movie!" When it could be their favorite movie of all time. They're bullies who think it's okay because of people like YOU. Cinema Wins? No, dumby, they dont just spout positively, he will actually critique the movie, and treat it fairly, (not remove key moments, or pretending like key events never happened, something "CiNeMa SiNs" cant make a video without that being their whole premise, if they didnt lie, than theyd have no channel). With smart points, and references even. TLJ for example? I used to be a staunch TLJ hater, than I watched Cinema Wins take on it, and now feel like such an empty headed troglodyte because I didnt like the movie, i jumped on the negative, and shitty way of life cinemasins bandwagon, even after seeing the movie myself in theaters. That is manipulation.

After watching enough CinemaSins videos it just gets tiring, it's very formulaic, always basically the same with way too many Sins being wrong

@louiscarl7629

4 жыл бұрын

Is watching CinemaSins heresy?

@kostajovanovic3711

4 жыл бұрын

@@louiscarl7629 yes

To be honest, I watch CinemaSins for the basic story and plot of a movie so I can watch it later with a more critical eye and watch out for the minor mistakes that might make me chuckle when I find them. I don’t really watch them for any serious criticism since I know they either won’t be serious or will simply be wrong. That being said, I find watching their channel to be an enjoyable pastime and a way to essentially watch movies (especially the bad ones) for free and still talk about them with others and keep a conversation about said movies enjoyable for all. Anyway, that’s just my general opinion on it. Don’t know who read this far but good on ya for doing it.

Cathartic as hell. Love the video dude. 22 minutes of "what I've been fucking saying!!!!1111!!"

I love the bubbline background! Really cute, and it made me smile when I saw it

In order to buy another Bugatti, they have to critic movies that are trending at the time. Even if the movie is good. When they do that, it comes off really forced.

@ericzhang7658

5 жыл бұрын

This is proof that they don't hate all movies. It also shows that their videos aren't meant for serious criticism but more for comedic value

Yeah this is exactly what I thought about the Volume 2 video. They took out the self-depreciation and just made fun of people criticizing them.

I'd just like to apologise to Bobvids for saying his name wrong for most of this video. Whoops

@coherentramblings7326

5 жыл бұрын

Don't take it so seriously, it's a comedy video, you got his name wrong for parody reasons

@Shenaldrac

5 жыл бұрын

I'm confused. It's not pronounced "bob" (the name) "vids"?

@JayExci

5 жыл бұрын

@@Shenaldrac I called him Bob'svids, he's just Bobvids

@Shenaldrac

5 жыл бұрын

@@JayExci Oooooh. Shows how good I am at listening that I didn't catch that.

@sethleoric2598

5 жыл бұрын

The Director of Skull island entertained me more with his version of sins than with actual cinemasins

BuT It'S -saTIRe- pARodY

@KM-ic4ul

5 жыл бұрын

Samira……sarody

@snkybrki

5 жыл бұрын

@@KM-ic4ul what?

@JackPowellD

5 жыл бұрын

It's Sarody and Partire.

main character: h- cinemasins: they took a breath at the wrong direction and that’s out of character for them

Cinema Wins > Cinema Sins Positive vibes are better than negative vibes

Jay: So there was this guy. And I just walked up to him. And I stabbed him..... 37 times in the chest. JAAAAAAY, THAT KILLS PEOPLE

@peacy7184

5 жыл бұрын

Devon Black wow I got that reference! Where’s my prize?

@VersaucerCoff

5 жыл бұрын

I understood that reference

@chonkmanmanofchonk4685

5 жыл бұрын

*SLAMS TABLE* 28 STAB WOUNDS YOU DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE HIM A CHANCE, HUH? DID YOU FEEL ANGER? HATE? HE WAS BLEEDING, BEGGING YOU FOR MERCY, BUT YOU STABBED HIM, AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!... I KNOW YOU KILLED HIM. WHY DON'T YOU SAY IT? JUST SAY "I KILLED HIM"! IS IT THAT HARD TO SAY?! JUST SAY YOU KILLED HIM! JUST SAY IT!

@chonkmanmanofchonk4685

5 жыл бұрын

@@qledei5874 oh my god

When CinemaSins is actually funny they're genuinely funny. But any other thing they say just makes me want to punch them in the face.

@louminouz

5 жыл бұрын

they used to be funny assholes, now theyre just ass assholes

@kraiZor

5 жыл бұрын

It was good when the videos were about 5 minutes each.

@MrEffectfilms

5 жыл бұрын

@@kraiZor yeah back when they really were just being funny and satirical instead of using that as a shield to deflect criticism.

It's not that the responses take Cinema Sins too seriously. It's that Cinema Sins takes Cinema Sins too seriously.

@crazyweirdgirl115

5 жыл бұрын

very true

@armorfrogentertainment

5 жыл бұрын

@@crazyweirdgirl115 I think Cinema Sins' biggest problem is how they try and put lines of actual film analysis between jokes and meaningless nitpicks. Their format doesn't support deep analyses of anything.