"Don't raise your voice, improve your argument" - Nelson Mandela

@mados123

Жыл бұрын

Great quote but I think it was Desmond Tutu who said that.

@ibnewton8951

Жыл бұрын

It seems that it is accredited to Desmond Tutu (2004). However I personally believe that it is much older.

@krisaaron5771

9 ай бұрын

Shmuley's bellowing is quickly getting tiresome. Does the man ever stop shouting in italics and ending every sentence with an exclamation point?

Shmuley reminds me of a boss I once had who truly believed that he could simply YELL things into being.

@blackkman1324

Жыл бұрын

FUCK HIM AND HIS GOD!!!

@AndJusticeForMe

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. More volume = intellectual mastery.

@sarahtonin4649

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's a probably a primate thing. In the chimpanzee world, our closest ape relatives, where dominance is often established by which male chimp makes the loudest noise. Apparently, a lot of human apes also believe that he who is loudest is right.

@soslothful

Жыл бұрын

His shouting was reason to skip this debate.

@Dismal-future

Жыл бұрын

I noticed the same thing ...even when Christopher Hitchens gets indignant he does not get very loud maybe a little loud. If you have to get loud to prove your point it's probably not worth proving to them people

There's nothing quite like a good man stricken with cancer arguing that death is final.

Right out of the gate: Shmuley: "We all believe in an afterlife." No, we all don't. There's no point trying to engage in an honest discussion with statements like that.

@jeffandersen7397

Жыл бұрын

Thank You. That was the first thing that hit me.

@lsptnjpmc

Жыл бұрын

I think he was referring to his own idea that the afterlife is contained within this life. I think it has something to do with some Jewish beliefs that there actually is not life after dying. So by saying "we all believe in afterlife", he is saying, "we all believe in life." He isn't quite clear about it but he does really quickly say what he means and if you are aware of those Jewish ideas then it is a bit easier to tell what he is trying to say. Very very "sneaky" just like the rest of the.... religious communities.

@walygisnep

Жыл бұрын

Even of all things considered, I don’t only not believe in an afterlife, I hope there isn’t one.

@walygisnep

Жыл бұрын

Imagine living for eternity. Every sentence you ever heard would eventually be spoken. Every activity would have been done, every thought. And then after you still have eternity. Sounds like hell to me.

@davidprime8909

Жыл бұрын

We should have let Shmuley go to Heaven and kept Hitchins

"All religons are crazy... except mine... mine's not crazy."

Shmuley - "We all believe in an afterlife." No we don't all believe that. You failed before you even got started.

@MoltenArmour

8 жыл бұрын

+4tech69 well to be honest we all do believe in an afterlife, my afterlife is being turned into worm shit. Still believe and think that will happen afterlife.

@meangreen8873

7 жыл бұрын

Nomenclature aside, you know he means consciousness after death. Which is stupid. +Zanadir

@mrDeathtrooper

6 жыл бұрын

4tech69 i disagree he is right on marxism one of the things i disagree with hitchens on, marxism is bad and never works

@lsptnjpmc

Жыл бұрын

He isn't referring to "consciousness after death" if you listen carefully he does explain that although briefly and not clearly. In his second time speaking in this video he even says that Jewish doctrine doesn't teach the existence of afterlife. So he is pretty much arguing in the affirmative for something he doesn't and actually isn't really supposed to believe or at least something for which he isn't supposed to hold any specific belief according to his religion. Religion makes people do nutty things like debate christopher hitchens on a topic you don't even believe in. He's crazy. Another thing often associated with the religious.

@OGunsalus

8 ай бұрын

I assumed he meant everyone knows life ends and has an image of whats next. I know when i think about it its just nothingness but just by saying “its” notjingness i have to be thinking of “something”

Chris Hitchens is so sorely missed. He is a voice of reason!

@rekunta

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if he would have supported Trump.

@pauljam8197

Жыл бұрын

Christopher

@killerrabbit2693

Жыл бұрын

@@rekunta I doubt he'd have supported the fat man no.

@rekunta

Жыл бұрын

@@killerrabbit2693 never know, many who I never thought would even humor him have become some of his most ardent supporters. Hitchens despised the Clintons (wrote books on them), saw Muslims as a threat. He may have backed him, who knows.

@killerrabbit2693

Жыл бұрын

@@rekunta Despising one group on an opposing political side doesn't mean support for the opposition This is a way of thinking I've seen mostly from the USA, I think cause of the two party system, as dumb as that system is. Hitchens would possibly, and in my opinion, likely would've despised both the fat man and the Clintons. What's wrong with "none of the above" lol, just like Brewster said..

This man, Christopher Hitchens, gives meaning to what life is all about. Rational thought such that we know that the only time we can live life is now. No second go-a-rounds. We are lucky to be here, so make the most of it!!!

I deeply regret not being a fan of Christopher Hitchens's while he was alive, and I'm even more embarrassed to say that I misunderstood him for many years. Getting to know him these last few weeks as I've engulfed myself in his work has been transformative, and even to a very personal effect, like coming to know someone who was always a friend, but that I was simply too damned ignorant to realize. I haven't had it in me to watch these debates and lectures where he is nearing the end of his life, and now that I tried watching the first few minutes of this one, I can say with confidence I'm still not quite ready yet. Maybe in a couple days.

@TrippySuccubus

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if you’ve ever come back to this. ❤

@rupertochurch4218

Жыл бұрын

He was still alive when I became aware, the debate, "Is the Catholic Church a source of good in the world" or something like that. But the one thing we have to thank is "You Tube", a wonderful educational tool that is often these days a barrier to free enquiry and free speech. Another fight for another day.

@tesmith47

7 ай бұрын

You are courageous and the kind of human that will move humanity to the next level of maturity ❤

Hitches smile and laughter when Scott asked questions, allmost brought a tear to my eye. Such a shame he isnt still around.

@JohnSmith-qp4bt

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, very sad. He is missed greatly. But he had a “trinity” of his own going through life: 1. smoking, 2. drinking and 3. Lots and lots of reading

@kirisweeks8673

Жыл бұрын

I miss him tremendously! But he goes on with his fabulous speeches and books! Good ole hitch 🥹

@rupertochurch4218

Жыл бұрын

Isn't it amazing though that the whole world isn't atheist after Hitchens, Sam Harris and others are quite amusing and good speakers, Richard Dawkins I have only heard give one good speech, I think at TED, in terms of getting to the core of the argument coupled with an immense knowledge of his subject there will never be another Hitch. I look back on his appearances with awe, and sometimes I laugh, a man among men. I wish I had a 10th of his intellect. (Though he should have had an actor read his book, a great debater but somehow he makes reading the book sound like a chore, there is still room for someone here).

@bethh.9647

Жыл бұрын

@@kirisweeks8673 I have just re read Mortality. I also thoroughly enjoy rereading his wife, Carol Blue's, comments at the end of the book. Also now re reading Hitch-22 and I am certain I will continue to read the many writings of C.H. and watch the debates. So sadly missed just does not seem enough. Such a thoroughly fascinating man in many ways! (I am so disgusted by the shouting and performance of this rabbi. What is he auditioning for?). RIP Christopher.

God, Rabbi Shmuley's voice is so grating.

@allrise3056

2 жыл бұрын

The exact opposite of Bob Ross.

@joelherring4071

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It’s painful

@mattstickle2725

Жыл бұрын

Noted, God

@jeroldpaquette9068

Жыл бұрын

His voice puts my teeth on edge too. How could anyone voluntarily attend his shuel?

@Irishtinian494

Ай бұрын

Yes....he sounds like a k.u.nt rubbing up n down the branch of a tree.... as for Netanyahu.. his afterlife is in big big trouble... his soul will burn twice.. free free Palestine 🇵🇸

"so, now you know, how rude I can be". Hitch was so charming ❤️

I think this is one of Hitchen's most powerful deliveries. He takes things into even deeper territory, with even more fluid and accessible articulation; and that's saying something given who the speaker is.

@user-jp5id9ym6z

4 ай бұрын

Shumley just leaves me cold. A verbal and intellectual bully. Think I will find another Hitchens video, where the debaters are not such rude, arrogant would be tyrants.

@user-jp5id9ym6z

4 ай бұрын

The problem with Shmuly is that, in spite of his being loud and obnoxious, he is really a rather interesting mind. I don’t agree with all of his conclusions, but I must concede and even celebrate many points he makes. But please, stop yelling at me. It is not an effective technique.

i like to listen to the audio without the video and imagine that hitchens is debating larry david

@Chingloves

8 жыл бұрын

wow yeah. makes it more interesting.

Afterlife ... we all believe in it? I believe that the afterlife is just like the beforelife. Y'all remember that ?

@andrewsmith3257

Жыл бұрын

As Richard Dawkins says "eternity under a general anesthestic"

@billyrankin8890

Жыл бұрын

People need to stop coming out with that poor overused argument without even thinking about it. It proves nothing, there are many parts of life we have no recollection of it doesn't then mean we were not having a conscious experience. Same thing applies when talking about before our birth we may or may not have been in some conscious form having an experience of some sort, it is simply unknown.

@Secondplanetfromthesun

7 ай бұрын

​@@billyrankin8890lol calm down

@billyrankin8890

7 ай бұрын

@@Secondplanetfromthesun im perfectly calm

Okay, fine. I confess it. The last two minutes have me crying. As much as I don't like Boteach's approach on religion, I like his approach as a human being. That was a genuine gesture. Damn, I miss Hitchens.

@bobobandy9382

2 жыл бұрын

I found absolutely nothing genuine about Shmuley, starting with his fake laughter at the beginning.

@coolcat23

Жыл бұрын

Alexandra Pierce Same here. I love Hitchins and have trouble connecting to most of what Shmuley says, but the heartfelt way in which Shmuley paid his respect to Hitchins at the end brought me to tears.

👏🙂 Hitchens is a pleasure to listen to as always Lovely ending "to life" in my language hindi is 'jeevan ke leye'

love the hitch, defiant to the end, brave man...

Is anyone else having trouble understanding what point Shmuley is actually trying to argue

@lsptnjpmc

Жыл бұрын

He opens with a bit of double speak. When he says "we all believe in afterlife" what he actually means is "we all believe in life" if you listen closely he does define what he means. This is why christopher opens with the analogy of pushing too hard on an open door. The rabbi admits in his opening statement that he doesn't believe in an afterlife. Although he does admit it in a slightly unclear way. Perhaps to play both sides of the argument hoping not everyone will notice. Although it could also be related to the way he has learned to speak about the topic while not contradicting his Jewish faith. A Jewish faith, which as far as I know, doesn't actually have any dogma as relates to an afterlife. It may in fact be Jewish dogma that there is no afterlife.

@matthewharrington9723

Жыл бұрын

This isn't the first debate I've seen by him. Being dodgy seems to be his MO

@jeroldpaquette9068

4 ай бұрын

He has a point I cannot yet see!

@grapenut6094

3 ай бұрын

Hes smart enough to purposefully lower the collective IQ of the room for the sake of his religion.

"You turn the bottle, not the cork. And then you say "To life" in any language. Shalom" Yes Christopher! To life, to your life!

Shmuleys voice can cut glass and disable tanks from 200 yeards away.

I love you Christopher....

"I am louder, therefore I am right!"

gosh I couldnt wait for Hitchens to start... it seemed like Shmuley talked forever..

I wish people would put more effort into the live they're living now rather than worrying about what life could be when they die. This is the only life that we KNOW exists. Fearing death is natural but it's no reason to make up impossible situations just because we have no explanations. Forget the afterlife, admit we don't know what happens and start concentrating on what we do have.

@rupertochurch4218

Жыл бұрын

I wish I had now I'm old, but that is life.

@ibnewton8951

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

Shmuley says a lot of nonsense but the way he respected Hitchens at the end was heartbreakingly beautiful.

@jasonwiley798

Жыл бұрын

Once we could disagree completely, yet respectfully. Not any more in America.

@SweetChicagoGator

4 ай бұрын

​@@jasonwiley798 The definition of atheist is not believing in God & afterlife. The rabbi mistakenly said, "we all believe in the afterlife." Undiplomatic way to start a debate !! 🥶

Christopher Hitchens is the pre eminent public intellectual of our generation.

This should be called: Christoper Hitchens chatting with a bombshell on a stage, occasionally interrupted by some troll.

Shmuley is LOUD and confused/confusing. Hitchens is 'on point'. Hawking said about the afterlife, "Fairy stories for those who are afraid of the dark."

@maydaymemer4660

Ай бұрын

The guy who went to Epstein’s island all the time doesnt believe in judgment after death? You dont say

Shmuley, very first words out of his mouth, ''We all believe in an afterlife.'' Nope, failure. Immediately didn't care about anything else he had to say. It takes a gift to lose a debate five seconds in before your opponent even speaks.

@lsptnjpmc

Жыл бұрын

He is using a but of doublespeak there. What he really mean is "there is no afterlife." I'm not being sarcastic. If you listen closely to what he says you can tell. Also I think it is a Jewish belief that there is in fact no afterlife. Making Judaism more of a set of rules and laws for living a good life as opposed to a set of guidelines meant to be followed to recieve a reward.

@mememan2344

Жыл бұрын

@@lsptnjpmc That's why I keep saying Judism is a DEAD RELIGION. Why Christians still give it so much respect baffles me, as they should know that since their Christ came into the world, it's NOT needed. All he said was I do "good" things and that's "heaven", completely backing away from any afterlife concept.

@circumcisionersjar

Ай бұрын

​@@lsptnjpmc6:53 what's this about then?

I liked the end. Christopher is just amazing.

I've seen this rabbi before, and as usual, he frantically waves his hands in the air, shouts, screams and mumbles at top volume and at an amazing velocity. "I try to bring reason to the world, but I am humble enough to admit when I don't know". This rabbi is the least humble man I have ever heard. Mr. Hitchens' quiet, heartfelt and articulate delivery must surely be more persuasive. It certainly is to me.

@agiraffe3673

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps he missed his calling as a Christian televangelist 😂

@TheMightyMidget

Жыл бұрын

He was much better in the other debate he shared the stage with Hitchens, on the existence of God (bigman himself)

@thesprawl2361

11 ай бұрын

Reminds me of Trump saying "I'm humble, I'm the most humble man there is, much more humble than anyone else"

@thesprawl2361

11 ай бұрын

@@TheMightyMidget Have to disagree - Hitchens reduced him to a twitching mess.

@TheMightyMidget

11 ай бұрын

@@thesprawl2361 he can lose the debate but still perform better than he did in this debate? I dont get your point. Never said he won.

Straight-up class act Hitchens was...

After 10 seconds I allready knew he was insane.

Shmuley conceded the debate in his opening arguments lol the whole point he made was that there is an afterlife, except that he changed the definition of the word to mean something that obviously exists; legacy. Of course other humans remember the things you did and perhaps what your values were. But that leaves out the LIFE bit of afterlife. You're still dead while these remembrances are taking place

@lsptnjpmc

Жыл бұрын

I think it may actually be Jewish doctrine that there is no life after death. Not sure how modern of an idea that is but in the time that Jesus was said to be crucified it was believed by the Jewish leaders that there is no afterlife. Which could be a part of the reason he needed to be killed.

Amusing to hear Hitch affect a southern accent : "...when someone gets up and says `Ahm a person of faith' that they don't get respect for it"

1:44:35 "I'm an Orthodox Rabbi-this morning i was on Rosie O'Donnell..." -Shmuley "That's going too far..." -Hitch. Brilliant.

There is no agony in death . . . there is bliss, joy, wisdom, love, light and absolutely no such place as hell . . . You just step out of your body through the top of your head and you see everyone you have ever loved . . . and it's time to party!

Shmuley so much brings back memories of my grandmother, who said "He who shouts is wrong".

Holy shit Boteach is so incredibly off topic, he touches briefly on the afterlife (the actual debate topic) then veers off to criticize atheism, then to evolution, then to religious rules, then to bombing. WTF is he getting at?

@RaulPerez-jj5jj

Жыл бұрын

The Goalpost shifting, deflection and strawmans were getting at wasting time. But seriously, what this is really leading to is that hes trying to say that atheists and secularists are on the same playing field. Trying to say basically the same irrational level. And hes incorrect. But its the same dishonest tactic many religious debaters use to get the heat off their back for the burden of proof. Somehow they think it justifies their irrational beliefs and they are incorrect about that too.

That ending was very sweet

“Don’t make me suspect that you’re sparing me” is just a nice way of saying “your argument is shit.”

Quite a bittersweet ending.

Excellent observation on body language, Pat.

Legs honey, legs

i just realized... they gave a watch as a gift to a man quickly running out of time...... did you notice how he tossed it aside

I was raised Methodist Christian, became agnostic atheist. I really like this rabbi; I don't agree with his beliefs, but I agree with many of his mindsets / ideals. Respect. R.I.P. Christopher. KZread is a less interesting place without you.

While I don't agree with him, this Rabbi is energetic and basically good natured

30:36 one of the best things I’ve seen - Christopher reaching for Whiskey 🥃 hidden behind the Evian hahaha 🤣

I don't know how to explain it, but his last name being Shmuley seems very appropriate. Can anyone relate?

This has to be one of the best debates i have ever heard. And i really love that it has been edited to shorten it down by cutting long applause

Good discussion. That ending was very sweet, I think.

Why is it that people seem to think that if you talk in a raised voice lies and obvious untruths suddenly become valid and true?

Rabbi - You have a microphone. You do not need to shout.

No matter which religion, what sort of a man, other than a wanna-be leader of cult, would preach that he came to earth to save humanity?

I think someone told him there was a danger his microphone wouldn’t work.

who is the moderator she is bloody so stunning a goddess and those heels WOW , i could not stop starring at her the beauty was hypnotizing .

@hawkeye48

8 жыл бұрын

Really? That's all you got from this extraordinary performance of Hitchens? What rock did you crawl out from?

@jamesdeanlovespunk

5 жыл бұрын

The comments under this video are full of praise for her legs in particular... Nobody has mentioned that she is a good moderator. Priorities are funny, huh...?

The fact that this "man of faith" had debated Mr. Hitchens previously means he wasn't listening the first time!

Those might be the most uncomfortable chairs at any debate ever. What evil human thought up the idea of a rounded slippery armrest.

the end was quite a pleasant surprise!

Thanks

It’s sad he knew he was dying. My mum went through the same thing. No one deserves that.

I still love you Christopher!

Eztremely interesting video. I literally shed a tear at the end

Aww that was such a nice ending :)

It's a tragic shame that Dr Christopher Hitchens had to sit there so patiently and generously, as time ticked away numerous precious last minutes of his invaluable and irreplaceable life, listening to that gibberish spewing out of Shmuley's mouth.

I am just at minute 7.... but I felt i had to say I still have NO IDEA what´s shmuley´s stance n_nU

@organman52

8 жыл бұрын

+Alejandro Gangotena He HAS not stance.

Is it just me or is Shmuley high? I'm 5 minutes in and he is shouting and carrying on like I don't know what.

@connorism69

10 жыл бұрын

Would you prefer a high Shmuley or a calm D'Souza?

@johnosman3550

10 жыл бұрын

connorism69 If by "calm" you meant sitting quietly in a corner, smiling to himself and saying very, very little, I'd definitely prefer a calm D'Souza.

@connorism69

10 жыл бұрын

Then we still disagree.

@huss03

9 жыл бұрын

connorism69 Interesting question... Thinking about it, I detest the smug, disingenuous, self-absorbed D'Souza more than I detest the ranting, stream-of-consciousness, scatterbrain Shmuley. Do you prefer Christopher Hitchens or Sam Harris?

@connorism69

9 жыл бұрын

Huxxy Never really thought about that question. I can't say I prefer either. They both had / have quite different strengths. I would probably say Harris only because his arguments involve less rhetoric. I love rhetoric, but arguments resting on it are easier for apologists to explain away (however poorly). As for D'Souza, we are in agreement. Shame he didn't get the sentence that his crime actually warranted...

i love Cristopher Hitchens the only voice of reason. Miss his speeches .

Bro there is a reason microphones were invented.

Wow what a loudmouth, straight into shouting.

@jasonwiley798

Жыл бұрын

A good preacher

I think the basis for the belief lies less in arrogance than it does in fear. We don't want to have to face up to the idea of a world that not only continues beyond our lifetime, but is more or less ambivalent about our passing. Hell, I'd be thrilled by the prospect of existence beyond death, and I'd wager most people would as well. Doesn't mean there is one, but it is a convenient, comforting belief with an intrinsic appeal to a species aware of their own mortality.

The one positive about hitchens not being here anymore is I think the woke society of today would drive him insane. I would though like to have listened to his opinion on Israel hamas because he wouldn’t pick a side. He tear shreds off both sides in a debate. That’s why he’s impressive.

@roviannematovu3756

2 ай бұрын

I've asked myself the same. Imagine him commenting on Trump, Transgenderism, Wokeism, Biden, Gaza etc?!! The Hitch wanted 2 do definitive biog on late Henry Kissinger. We were cruelly robbed.

good ending

Listen to wisdom. We are born and we die, this is the end.

SOMEONE PLEASE POST THIS ,AND EDIT OUT SHMULEY!!! FOR NOW THANK "GOD" FOR FAST FORWARD!!!

Does Shmuley ever shut up? All we want to hear is Hitchens.

When Hitchens speaks you really have to focus your attention 100 % , you want to take in every last word of what he is saying .

Christopher "no bs" Hitchens. He's not a word salad chef. Just facts always.

That was nice at the end

What a fantastic ending. Hope you're still out there somewhere Hitch

@jaysmith3095

8 ай бұрын

If he’s not at least he was here.

A couple of times they "skim forward" on Shmuley's comments. Anyone know why?

As there appears to be an edit around 0:06, I'm wondering how inclusive the "we" is in what's presented as Shmuley Boteach's opening words: "We all believe in an afterlife."

@bobobandy9382

2 жыл бұрын

Listen, let's just agree that less Boteach = better.

That was a sweet gesture

Every time I hear Shumley talk, I think of the iPhone because he talks like Steve Jobs.

I think it’s debatable whether or not traditional Judaism even affirms the existence of an afterlife as the Rabbi asserts, certainly it doesn’t affirm it “enthusiastically.” The Pentateuch only ever mentions dying people as going to “Sheol” which is usually translated as “grave” but could possibly refer to a Hebrew conception of the afterlife that was probably similar to what other Fertile Crescent societies at the time believed in, which means it didn’t have different places for good or evil people but just one spiritual realm to which all the dead are consigned. Of course there are plenty of other rabbis and scholars who agree with Shmuley too and have some passages and long-held rabbinical traditions and sayings that they cite which insinuate the existence of something analogous to heaven and hell.

I heard you like scene cuts, so we did one every 15 seconds even though it's still the same person talking and no new context is added by the new angle.

@LtGregoryStevens

Жыл бұрын

You do realize this conversation is being recorded

Why is Shumckly shouting? Doesn't he know the concept of a mic ?

God damn I got emoti9nal at the end of this

Why did Schmuley think it was a good idea, after getting Hitchslapped and thoroughly embarrassed, to keep coming back for more and doing these "debates"? He's like nails on a chalkboard to listen to, he's constantly shouting, and it's almost unfair the way Hitchens toys with him.

Shmuley's comments on "the afterlife" aren't consistent with Orthodox Judaism

It's cute that very quickly shmuley stops making his lame laughs once he realizes he's up against real reason and logic. His silence almost says, uh oh

Moderater has Great Legs!!!

Why did they not cut his mic after christopher started talking?

Intelligence is attractive. See it in action here. (Her body language)

1:25 when I was in the military, they refused to put atheist on my dog tags.

sign of the times that the next Ray William Johnson video will get 4 million views in 48 hours yet this video has 7,229 in 8 months.

That legs though....

Shumley has changed his approach since the last televised debate I saw with these two. Surely, Hitch reached him on some level; He wouldn't dare try to drag the issues he argued last time.

I like her the best. Nice legs