I find it very offensive and condescending when people claim that in order to break an addiction, you must first accept that a higher power exists. That is complete nonsense.

@zeljjko70766

4 жыл бұрын

true

@halwarner3326

4 жыл бұрын

A higher power of your own understanding?

@commanderpipi1youknowfromp730

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@luisapena5162

3 жыл бұрын

When your life is at a disarray and out of control, yes, you need a higher power. The problem is, when you're incapable of making right decisions and religion comes to the rescue and tells you their god is the only cure to whatever ails you. I was in that situation: Non-believer to drug addict to Christian. Ten years in the sect before I was able to get out, after being able to think critically on the absurdities I was being fed.

@haase1301

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed...and I’m in Recovery. So, in order to be restored to sanity I have to believe something totally insane? My sponsor defines Faith as wishful thinking. My higher power is Christopher Hitchens!!

20 years sober with no imaginary help thank you very much. Sober and sane without god.

@Stratahoovius

7 жыл бұрын

Good job, I'm trying to quit drinking, every one just assumes I'm going to go to AA....nope. I have to do this myself.

@apathyguy8338

7 жыл бұрын

Some locations have something called rational recovery. May be worth checking out. First few years can be hard if your alone. You can hang out in the rooms without drinking the koolaid. You'd be surprised how many of us are in there.

@lennonpierce1607

5 жыл бұрын

That's awesome and can say from a family of addicts, impressive as well!! Now, if only everyone realized that ALMOST everything in their life can be changed with some will power & diligence too...

@alexmarshall4725

5 жыл бұрын

Proud of you .. three years for me off opiates and crack cocaine ❤️❤️ life really gets so much better .. completely agreed with mr hitchcens Here..

@kawasakiwhiptwo5821

5 жыл бұрын

Make that 22 years A.G. Stay strong brother. ✌

That phenomenon of missing someone terribly that you've never met in your life? I feel the same way about Hitchens. I only found out about him two months ago, and when I read that he had already passed on, to say I was upset is putting it lightly. I would've loved to invite Hitch out for coffee and just pick his brain for hours and not just because of his personal opinions; I don't think I've ever heard anyone with such a beautiful grasp of the English language. I'm grateful for his existence.

@styreful

2 жыл бұрын

Beautifully written.

@nateellenberger6043

10 ай бұрын

Hitchens is definitely missed!! I wish I would have had the chance to meet him in person. There's no one else who can explain "the God problem" as he did (don't get me wrong though, there are some good ones out there like Dan Barker and Richard Dawkins), but Chris H was "one of a kind"! Maybe one day we will have a philosopher, who could put things into perspective as Chris Hitchens could do. ......my favorite line from Chris H was always where he would be on stage while presenting his pre-introduction speech on the topic and he would say "Why does God care if you cut off skin on your dick or clitorus" 🤣😂. The way he would say it was EPIC (like in a "matter of fact" attitude), and he is definitely missed! Chris Hitchens, "R.I.P. comrade"!!!

@KeyurRohit

8 ай бұрын

😢😢😢

@Mary-wf6ko

6 ай бұрын

Same feelings here I just find out and I’m in love with him more than god😂❤

I used to live in fear of my atheism. Thank you Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett and Harris for giving me courage.

@jvincent6548

2 жыл бұрын

I used to live in fear of my breathing until i realised that it wasn't abnormal....and that it was a perfectly normal part of living.

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

It's not your atheism you need to fear, it's the result of accepting it. You go by what losers teach and still think you are smart for doing that. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJ2B09yHj7y5iLg.html The odds are NOT there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ttycOwqr2yo84.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpiV07WupNebkdo.html

@jvincent6548

2 жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block What utter drivel you talk. The bible...in English, from an early modern English translation of The Latin Vulgate or the Greek bibles which in turn are translated from Aramaic. So full of errors, mis-translations etc. In any case all hearsay stories. So... -Full of errors and contradictions -Probably some historical truths in the stories especially in the OT. -But as the word of a god? Bollocks. -Jesus the son of a god? Bollocks The bible has no real relevance for life today anymore than a book of Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tales. A belief in god is an abrogation of oneself.

@casyatbat

2 жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block I agree that _"I used to live in fear of my atheism."_ It is more like she was still afraid of not believing in a god, which is part of the brainwashing from birth through childhood by well meaning parents. It really is this simple. If there was any evidence of any of the gods invented by man, then there would be. 1 god 1 religion 1 denomination no atheists of agnostics and no more need of faith, it would be fact.

@kappla

2 жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block dumb, silly; return to your swamp, por favor 👋

I never knew him either, and I miss him dreadfully, every day. KZread and newsprint is unbelievably impoverished without him.

@styreful

2 жыл бұрын

I share with you the cavity that has been left behind. Miss him every single day. From someone who never met him. But his messages will go on. Let’s work on them.

@anton1949

2 ай бұрын

A wordsmith with few peers.

I laughed when the reverend said, if there were no religion, he whould not have to work so hard for his living. He is sitting there in his comfortable chair, administering people, collecting money just for an elaborate conviction. That's a dream job right there. The wealth of higher ranked religious leaders was allways something that pssed me of.

I love Christopher Hitchens because he freed me from the shackles and chains of religion, for that I am indebted to that beautiful English gorgeous bastard, may his mellifluous voice keep educating wherever free-thinkers congregate, the world is indeed a poorer place without the Hitch.

This has to be my fav Hitch yet because his opposition has dignity. Excellent discussion.

To quote a great man, the Rev is so nice he is hardly religious at all

53:31 "I want the privilege to believe the absurd..." Then expect to be ridiculed.

Thank you Chris Hitchens (R.I.P. comrade) for devoting your life for reason and secularism! No matter if you like or dislike Hitchens, he never bored you with the things he said. RIP brother!

@no-oneman.4140

2 жыл бұрын

...topher.

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

He devoted his life to being a loser. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJ2B09yHj7y5iLg.html The odds are NOT there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ttycOwqr2yo84.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpiV07WupNebkdo.html

@divinewon73

Жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block 🤮RELIGION: THE ORIGINAL FAKE NEWS!!🤣 A 5000-year-old Ancient Egyptian religion… copied from older frauds: Religions explained: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e3V5l8N8aaqTacY.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/eptm0KRundXAkqg.html George Carlin ~ religion 32:41 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKikkreHk83gnJs.html Dave Allen ~ religion 5:47 kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKyjmpOIm5y7os4.html

@jonathanrussell1140

11 ай бұрын

​@@2fast2block your god man here just said religion is man-made. Go figure...

@2fast2block

11 ай бұрын

@@jonathanrussell1140 wow, that was supposed to somehow show all I gave is not correct. Amazing.

As a Hitch fan, I must complement the Rev and the Rab on their good humour.

@nightlydrugs6927

Жыл бұрын

Me too, though I wish the Rabbi wouldn’t have been hacking violently into his mic.

@hazeshi6779

Жыл бұрын

Yeah ahahaaha baby genital mutilation go brrr

I think this video proves that no matter if you're 2v1 and have a god on your side, Hitchens will prevail and win the debate.

@r0bbyinchins

6 ай бұрын

A very lopsided set up.. the christians were outnumbered , outclassed & outwitted

Hitch in no mercy mode... Nice

I've gotta say, even though I'm in total agreement with Hitch, I really dig the easy demeanor and humor of Rev Gomes here, he even got a real chuckle out of Hitchens. That's fairly rare

Never get fed up listening to Hitch, honest, forthright and too the point, sadly missed, will mix with him when the sun goes nova and swallows this planet, and we all go back to where we started in the stars ✨.

Thank you for posting this! Hitchens always brightens my day

The reverend and the rabbi are surprisingly honest. Granted I'm only around 30 minutes in, but it's unusual to see. However, their arguments seem to be suggesting that they don't care whether their religion is true, because it's comforting, aspiring, reassuring, and gives them some contentment...much like an opiate. Even going as far as consciously choosing what they consider truth, to have that contentment. While I certainly understand this, and there's almost certainly not a human alive that is immune to this indulgence, I cant say I respect it. Personally I feel we should aspire to remove the responsibilities we've placed on religion, and remove the illusion that they were ever anywhere other than on our shoulders. The act of removing this illusion while keeping its objective is a form of enlightenment.

@fairfour2852

10 жыл бұрын

that's what i was thinking about the Rev, but also just seems like he's been repressed from thinking otherwise.. i'm not a religious person myself so i wont say i KNOW, but in my opinion all religion comes down to is a psychobiological condition built or molded or forced in us from an early age.. people just look for quick answers and don't understand how long it can take for evolution take place and how VASTLY complicated the human mind is.. but as always you are bound to get pseudo-philosopher and religious people finding some argument in there..

@jamesraymondsmith

10 жыл бұрын

that was pretty good.

@theodorebugsby3045

4 жыл бұрын

Then, I encourage you to watch the rest. It gets better in the sense that Mr Hitchens exposes some of the nastiest beliefs this two religions (Judaism & Christian Baptist) have.

No matter what! This was a great discussion (not a debate). They were all funny at times. RIP Hitch! I think of you often and will always cherish your writings and books.

All three of these people are brilliant. This is an brimming with wit. I could refer this unapologetically to any theist or atheist alike. It's so entertaining that despite Hitchens sharpness of persuasion, the faithed person may still watch in it's entirety. Spectacular. My favorite after a good 50 hours of Hitchens I've watched. I regret being unable to thank him, let alone reciprocate.

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up, you're a loser like they are. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJ2B09yHj7y5iLg.html The odds are NOT there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ttycOwqr2yo84.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpiV07WupNebkdo.html

@Remnants100

Жыл бұрын

100% agree on all counts.

@1984isnotamanual

3 ай бұрын

Read his books

Peter Gomes has one of those wonderful American accents of old. Clipped, musical and lovely to listen to.

7:05 "I'm not smart enough without god and I like it this way." I find this the default, unspoken position of the majority of theists I meet. Then they teach others how they too aren't smart enough or strong enough to do anything in their lives without their superhero in the sky giving them the power to do it. And you wonder why people think you're morons, needing some deity's power channeled through you do get anything good done... How about digging a well instead of praying for rain?

@styreful

2 жыл бұрын

Love your writing on this.

@conradbulos6164

3 ай бұрын

How about doing both and leave nothing to chance?

"religion is in many ways a male racket" Hitch.... Wow

I will say, that I appreciate the good natured humor between the debaters. Had more than one laugh during this occasion.

I miss Hitchens so much, I take comfort in knowing his knowledge and insight has helped me and many others give up their silly superstitions. Nobody could ever replace him but I'd like to see Michael Shermer continue the argument in his place alongside Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris

@ipsizm9265

2 жыл бұрын

Shermer turned out to be a real disappointment. Matt Dillahunty is great.

@apathyguy8338

2 жыл бұрын

@@ipsizm9265 I find Dillahunty an extremely knowledgeable man. Most of the time he truly impresses me. Sadly he does come across as a bit narcissistic I don't think he's the kind of person that ever admits he's wrong.

@wholeplanteater5792

2 жыл бұрын

I just discovered chirstopher 2 weeks ago I feel sad he isn't alive but his talks have made me free of religions

@Nat88123

2 жыл бұрын

Atheism is really silly. I think your projecting

@Benjaminsp2004

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nat88123 Thanks, now we know what you think

Respect for Hichens. Thank you Chritofer for existing and STANDING.

I felt badly for the Rabbi who after baring his soul to the audience, was greeted by laughter and humor (even if not directed at him or in direct response to his expressed pain). Well, perhaps the book of Job would have something to say on that also. Still, overall the remorselessness of Hitchens adds to his effectiveness in these debates. He feels that he is combating a large and insidious threat to humanity and that this is his venue to make a difference. Gotta respect that.

My testimony is similiar. I wanted to be a reborn Christian in the worst way, but I never felt changed no matter how hard I prayed or praised God. Atheism has ironically made me reborn. To the freedom and self respect I always had but was never allowed the feel.

The most casual, polite, entertaining and humorous debate I've watched, So far. Hitchens is my favorite go to Pitbull of debates and to see him like this, In a way, Is refreshing.

I like this rabbi, he makes me laugh in a good way. He's still wrong, but he's good at it.

@MrLordarioch40

2 жыл бұрын

Both were funny and enjoyable. The pastor has a voice that soothed Me to sleep though

@chokin78

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's like he is wrong gracefully...

@rowdy3837

Жыл бұрын

@@chokin78 I would say brilliantly and eloquently so…

Lol, Hitch’s reaction to the rabbi’s comment about Hell 🤣🤣

My God! I wish I had the brilliancy that emanates from Christopher's prodigious mind.

6:00 Hitchen’s opening statement. Game over.

I miss him so much

Hitch at his best. The reverend and the rabbi, although both articulate and charming, profoundly deluded.

“In the long run it’ll turn out fine” - but FOR WHOM? (~1:35:00ish) What an ominously self-centered, self-congratulatory statement by Rev. Peter Gomes; the epitome of self-centeredness.

This is the first time I've heard a reverend say that religion is a man made construct. That was one of the major realizations I had during my transformation of becoming an Atheist.

@wolfreyet

10 ай бұрын

Yeh but what a pompous pious piss weak debater. Great use of language but man he sounds pompous.

Christopher Hitchens, the James Bond of religious and political discourse.

This is how a discussion should be. Hitchens reasoning is stand out. Thanks to internet, we are able to witness the culmination of human intelligence... in Hitchens. Fantastic. Long live the free human mind.

I'm an atheist, but I really did enjoy all three speakers. Quite enjoyable regardless of my position.

@GoFuckYourself123345

9 жыл бұрын

***** i'm sorry but the 2 religious dudes did get smashed... they literally had no argument... it felt like they were presenting pre-rehearsed lines that didn't always have anything to do with the question or at least logically answer the question

@R3troSim

7 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, but I disagree completely, as much as I'd like to say otherwise. The late Rev. Peter Gomes in this debate seemed to me far too arrogant and concerned with his show of intellect than actually taking any sort of care on the issues. It felt more like a casual comedy show on his side. As for Rabbi Harold Kushner - that argument between him and Hitchens over the whether the bris is genital mutilation or not (see 1:18:00 onwards) told me all I needed to hear. Really does push Hitchens' point about needing religion to make a good person do bad things - and not know any better (or at the very least consider why such an action is seen as unethical). I believe they were all sincere, and at the core they appear to be good, morally reasonable people. But I'm afraid I only saw one person at the table with a clear head out of the three, and that was Hitch.

@Benjaminsp2004

6 жыл бұрын

I usually feel the same way, I've also noticed that when Hitch debates the Jews, they seem to be the only ones that don't speak in ignorant arrogant certitudes that they "absolutely know" anything..I guess they're the most agnostic of the big religions in that sense, that if u ask a rabbi what happens when you die their answer is usually "i don't know"

@brandenfarbanger3935

6 жыл бұрын

A good conversation amongst individuals with different views is refreshing these days

@Gabryal77

5 жыл бұрын

It's a strategy of those who organize these debate to seem to find the most atypical, liberal, educated representatives of theist belief as possible, the very sort who if they were typical would not even consider the abuses the religious in this world continually heap upon the lay person. I think most educated people realize how atypical these people are, and how unwelcome they would be in the religious houses of those who share their religious beliefs.

I do love Hitch, and good on him for not letting the Rabbi get away with defending a bris and whatnot, but I have to say, the Rabbi's obviously such an amiable, good-hearted guy... I don't think I could do the same. Or maybe I could, but not as stridently.

This was awesome.

Fun conversation, nice when the religious are not infinitely close minded as with William Lane Craig etc

Hitchens clearly here has developed the art of public performance in a state of being right on the brink of being so drunk he can no longer speak. Even so he makes more sense than the two sober professors.

After listening to Rabbi Kushners comment, Christophers fire and momentum was being stoked from within and from 1:29:20 he quickly gets hard on the accelerator. Religions trying to be understanding with each other simply does not wash with Mr Hitchens.........and rightly so, because they all say outside of their religion there is nothing.

@patrickparker8417

10 жыл бұрын

Yes , eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we are going to die .

Our prophets are far more rare than theirs. All praises be unto the great Carl Sagan, may his wisdom forever chastise us.

lol this was the most amusing debate i have seen Hitchens in . Loved it.

@joealias2594

8 жыл бұрын

+michael treu I think it's largely because Rev. Gomes has given him some really great wit in response to his own, which he doesn't usually get. I don't know that the Reverend has or could do much against Hitch's arguments, but an entertaining debate is perhaps as worth watching as an informative one.

@RastaRider

8 жыл бұрын

+michael treu Haha true. The Christian speaker was funny. I especially like the anecdote at the 35:10 mark.

@acerbicatheist2893

8 жыл бұрын

+michael treu I hope you're right 'cos I'm getting sick of tedious non-debates with fanatics who are specifically trained how to NOT debate...And I will confess to a tiny bias on the side of Hitchy! :)

it hurts my ears, when Christopher stops talking....!!

@captur69

2 жыл бұрын

And the pain is excruciating when the other two speak....ha...

I love how this was more of a friendly conversation (with one exception being the old man in the process of dying) and that turned into a good conversational theme, a good, non-violent debate which I bet most people enjoyed.

@boxer12350

7 жыл бұрын

Yeheah i agree. I got the impression that all three enjoyed each others company and conversation

@DisrespectfulRob

6 жыл бұрын

“...the old man in the process of dying.” LMAO

@WiccanGoddess33

Жыл бұрын

Hitchens couldn't get too aggressive because the dying old man already had one foot out the door, and one sharp word could've been the end of him altogether.

I agree. It's one of the best discussions. All intelligent men. Good points all around, but Hitchens is awesome as always.

16:40 Is where the rev casually admits that religion is man made. Thankfully Christopher has sharpened his critical thinking skills and noticed the admission later.

Christopher Hitchens. By far. The most intellectual, ,,,,,, ,,, >>>>>>>> Intelectual ! !!!!

Forget the Rabbi, I could listen to Hitch and the Reverend talk all day. They're hilarious.

Wow! I do miss Hitch! Amazing man!

Miss you Hitch

I think that this Moderator did an excellent job & was probably the Best I've ever seen! Wish I knew her name.

@WiccanGoddess33

Жыл бұрын

She was introduced in great detail at the beginning of the video

1:23 …Hitch’s facial reaction 😂😂😂❤️

C.H. ...My personal Star of Bethlehem!

1:18:40 Brutal and eloquent and *_extremely_* well said. The practice of male genital mutilation is much tamer than the female variety, but it also seems to be nearly universally accepted. It's easy to condemn the atrocity that is FGM, but at least that is practiced almost entirely by religious fundamentalists. I'll never understand how so many people (especially those who are otherwise not particularly religious) think MGM is ok.

Thank you for the screen capture and upload!

1:23:05 - Hitchens body language is priceless.

That's an understatement... he's in another galaxy, located clear across the universe.

Hitchens NEVER lost a debate

I say people who feel they must have a faith or religion in order to face life are showing a kind of cowardice, which in any other sphere would be considered contemptible. But when it is in the religious sphere it is thought admirable, and I cannot admire cowardice whatever sphere it is in. When you hear people in church debasing themselves and saying that they are miserable sinners, and all the rest of it, it seems contemptible and not worthy of self-respecting human beings. We ought to stand up and look the world frankly in the face. We ought to make the best we can of the world, and if it is not so good as we wish, after all it will still be better than what these others have made of it in all these ages. A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a regretful hankering after the past or a fettering of the free intelligence by words uttered long ago by ignorant men. It needs a fearless outlook and free intelligence. It needs hope for the future, not looking back all the time toward a past that is dead, which we trust will be far surpassed by the future that our intelligence can create. Bertrand Russell

You forget to note that the Hitch has the educated background, the charm, the wit, and the clarity of vision to hand these people their own vision back to them. Usually in a nightmarish, reality based format, but that doesn't seem to dissuade them. It's certainly encouraged the hell out of US, hasn't it?

15th December 2011, the day the world became a much dumber place. RIP The Hitch.

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

No, it was dumb with him and dumb now with you. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJ2B09yHj7y5iLg.html The odds are NOT there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ttycOwqr2yo84.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpiV07WupNebkdo.html

@no-oneman.4140

2 жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block Odearodearodear - try thinking for yourself.

@AFMMarcelD

2 жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block Wow! your obsession for pasting, copying and regurgitating the same wasteful garbage in every Hitchens video is out of this world now, you must be overwhelmed with boredom, I salute your resolute nervous disorder.

@franitafranita

Жыл бұрын

@@2fast2block take some ,, CHEESE,, 🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀 and than take your toy's and go play

hitchens is so spot on here, lifting to watch

Look up the term "insipid." The reverend and the rabbi embody this word. . .

i'm a HUGE hitchens fan, having watched countless hours of videos in the past months. it's my single favorite pastime now. i keep an open doc on my computer where i jot down his quotes and fascinatingly eloquent, meta-level, absolutely destructive arguments, repartees, rhetoric, his wit that confound his opponents and leaves them exposed and helpless. but i must say, despite my awe for him, peter gomes is extremely sharp, just in a slower, "older" way. very classy and in no way inferior to hitchens. great debate, on a very mature level.

@amankaur7270

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mind sharing his quotes with me?

I completely agree with you. I was raised in a strict protectant home, but at an early age I was bothered by so many contradictions. I was told as a child that the catholics next door were going to hell, but I played with those kids. I asked their mother when I was 5 years old whether they believed in god, and she said yes. I said, my parents say you don't. She looked shocked at first, then said,"your parents lied to you". I think it was then my atheism took hold.

@GlowingMpd

Жыл бұрын

What were they strictly trying to protect you from??🤣

Hitchens is expert in making caricatures.

At least 2? Search "Christopher Hitchens vs. William Lane Craig, Douglas Wilson, Lee Strobel, and Jim Denison " in that debate he takes on 4 theists AND the "moderator" and barely breaks a sweat. He has inspired many and even though he is gone, he lives on in the only afterlife I know; In the memories of those he left behind. RIP Hitch!

@AFMMarcelD

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, Cheers 🍻 to Hitch, this tumbler 🥃of JWB is in his honour.

This is one of my favorite videos for so many reasons. One being just how stereotypically Jewish Kushner is. Makes me laugh.

@Rpagsis1 You know that Hitchens had a deathbed conversion? The priest is now an atheist.

How telling is it that only Christopher Hitchens provides substantive arguments? The reverend and the rabbi are just cute and innocuous. The religious always seem to avoid the hard questions like the plague.

I like how two religious persons didn't answer a single question directly and instead shifted the question. yet Christopher like normal can just outright answer them immediately and accurately.

@robinchun1

2 жыл бұрын

He would have hated being called, or referred to as Chris, and would have let you know in his inimitable style!

@christopherdesimone206

2 жыл бұрын

@@robinchun1 For sure.

@AFMMarcelD

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve would have given you thumb up ⬆️ but then you call him Chris…no Sir!…Christopher.

@thesc0tsm4n9

2 жыл бұрын

@@AFMMarcelD So i can assume then that he preferred being referred to by his full first name then. cheers for the heads up.

@AFMMarcelD

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesc0tsm4n9 Alright there’s the thumb up 👍 Cheers 🍻 to enlightenment.

"I would say...we've enjoyed your company this evening..." perfect line, perfectly delivered

@glynndraper437

Жыл бұрын

Your easily pleased. Well done you.

@andrehanderson

Жыл бұрын

@@glynndraper437 you as well. Making inane comments seems to please you just fine.

Enjoyable as hell. Gotta say, the pastor has a voice second only to James Earl Jones.

In this both guys are having two bob each way an easier stance up against Hitch. Since his passing in 2007 have to call in to You Tube to hear his voice again a voice of reason and eloquence. 💐

@AFMMarcelD

2 жыл бұрын

Joy if you are referring to Christopher Hitchens? he passed away in December 15 2011 not 2007, many thanks my fellow free-thinker.

Thanks for uploading.

I actually find it really sad that reverend gomes said he doesn't think he's smart enough or brave enough to live without the God construct

@2fast2block

2 жыл бұрын

Hey loser, why do you live? Like Hitch, you losers don't give things such thought. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJ2B09yHj7y5iLg.html The odds are NOT there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ttycOwqr2yo84.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpiV07WupNebkdo.html

Whoa! The Rabbi said that god is not all powerful! YES!

I had seen clips of this when Hitchens comments on genital mutilation and speaks of how religion does make good people do wicked and evil things, I couldn't agree more. Especially after listening to this Rabbi speak, an atheist myself, found him to be very intelligent and suggest some very nice ideas (I like his bit about cheating on your spouse). I often wonder what people like him would be like if not for their religion requiring them to do and believe evil things. This thought further sparks my curiosity when I consider that this man is on the more liberal side of Judaism!

Oh, ham sandwich 48:40 I'm reminded that I'm hungry. The most inspiring thing Kushner said all night.

We see from debates like this that "religious" people are people who like to hear cutesy, folksy, syrupy nonsense that makes them go "Oh, neat!" But this part at roughly 53:00 is just too much. Gomes is basically saying he wants to be able to be stupid and not be thought of as stupid - well, you can have the first, but you can't have the second. Sorry.

He is quick and incredibly witty. I was very impressed =]

SO I suppose it is decided. The good books were written by men for men. Thank you reverend for being honest and good luck next Sunday at church explaining it the church goers.

THANK U SOOO MUCH!!!

CHRISTOPHER WINS ALL

Rev. Gomes didn't feel the need to debate with Hitch, and his wit even had him amused. It was productive- and each made interesting points throughout the discussion.

Saint Christopher! What a fantastic idea! Oh the irony, he'd bloody love it

@AFMMarcelD

2 жыл бұрын

My son and I have two T-Shirts with Hitchens face on them and underneath it says WWCD people make handicap faces @ us while trying to make sense of it.

Three gentlemen, a great sight and a great dialogue.

I would like to see a better version of this, but I think I can safely say that it's more or less the most enjoyable debate I've seen, at least involving Hitchens.

I couldn't disagree more with Reverend Peter Gomes's ideas but it's a pleasure to watch him debate.

Wow. Two theists versus one atheist. Its really unfair and rather biased. I mean, I would think that Christopher could trounce at least 5 theists at any debate!!

I would've enjoyed it more, if the rabbi had not been coughing so much. He said so many intelligent things which got swallowed in the cough. Brilliant debate.

58:42 never heard Hitchens laugh like that 😂 Making that joke would've been the highlight of my life 😂

Hitch had his boxing gloves all laced up, but no one came to the fight- “I find that I’m pushing at another open door- now we have a rabbi who doesn’t believe that God is all-powerful, or omniscient, or omnipresent, I mean, what next?- these are concessions it normally takes me hours to wring from people. I can’t get these guys into the ring.” Of all the people I've heard and watched on this subject, Hitchens was BY FAR the funniest.

@catkeys6911

7 жыл бұрын

I wrote the 1st comment only about 20 minutes into this video - now I still think he's the funniest, but The Rev Gnomes is very funny, as well: "..I know lots of happy Christians...now when I go into mainline churches (some of which I could name right here) I look out at these rather grim people; they don’t look happy at all. They don’t look very happy- I want to say that the Presbyterians need a good colonic- something needs to loosen them up...” “... ‘Jesus loves me. He loves you too- I don’t know WHY, but he does.”

As much as we hear the old adages and even some surprising admissions from the religious people in this debate - it was refreshing to have some genuinely funny people on the stage. I enjoyed this.

Bravo, Hitch. RIP. You did make fools of two very intelligent men.