.... can I just applaud you on the production/editing and quality of this video - to me it is a pleasure to see excellent KZread content from someone who actually does the whole job and has a sound practical understanding of engineering - well done, thankyou for your efforts in bringing this to us - looking forward to more work on your varied car collection - regards Andy

@torresalex

2 жыл бұрын

I second this. Underrated gold, this is

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andy

You don't shy away from a challenge!! It's a shame so many of these did become uneconomical to repair due to the labour costs, but this video demonstrates why that is.

I bought my C6 eight years ago. It's been on the road for one of those eight. I completed 60 tasks of an 82 job list (new EGR's, new handbrake, new water pump, new alternator, new power steering, new window + mechanism, new bearings, bushes etc, etc), before a gummed up mountain of mastic (applied by a 'mechanic' to compensate for a snapped water pump retaining bolt) clogged up the water channels. Three thermostat housings later, on the 18th of May 2016, the cylinder head gasket blew. It finally got it's replacement engine fitted last week and is now getting all the things fixed that 4 years sitting on a driveway will need fixed. It'll take a couple more years to sort the cosmetic stuff but it will return to showroom condition. Eventually.

Temptingly cheap, but incredibly complex. There’s just something about them that says absolute peak of French luxury motoring. I can totally see the appeal, just as I could with my dad‘s CX reflex back in the day, it might only have had 2 L but too a 13-year-old like a spaceship.

@1881Gordon

2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%. A helluva lot of car for the money, but an equal number of (potential) headaches 🤔. Great video.

@richardmcclelland2991

2 жыл бұрын

When I was a child a Citroen dealership opened in the Village in Co Down where I lived, the CX was the new flagship at the time, as you say it was like someting had landed from outer space. At that time it was only a little village, but it sported two main dealerships, Hammonds Renault (Now a Church) and D Prentice Citroen (now a supermarket)

If ever there was a YT channel deserving more subscribers it's you Sir. Absolutely brilliant content; thank you for taking the time to video it all.

My C6 I bought $11K NZ currency, 2007 V6 Petrol 3.0 lit ex Japan….I am so pleased that you have exposed all the mechanisms and quirky issues concerning Citroën.

Alternator was changed at SA Josse Rue de Vire, 14380 Noues de Sienne, France In April 2017. Timing belt changed at Snow Basingstoke before they lost franchise. Book time 6 hours, they took over 2.5 days and shagged the thermostat housing. Puddle of coolant between cylinder banks

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

I'm putting that in the history!

@bruceharlow4136

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN I live 30 minutes from Basingstoke so if Kevin Elkins needs any friendly guidance with his C6 happy to help Bruce Harlow

Cant wait to see this beautiful complication of a car on the road

That cream interior is so gorgeous. Nowadays mandatory black interiors make me wanna cry.

Wonderful video Reminds me of working on aircraft in the 60s (FAA) on Scimitars and Sea Vixens. Dont remember being supplied with latex gloves - Pity would have helped. Use to remove access panels below the engine bays and find combination spanners falling on your head, plus hydraulic fluid. The Scimitar especially was an incontinent aircraft. Your channel is so informative and your skill ability is plain to see, Thank you again,🤓

@mrc7478

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn't the scimitar absurdly high maintenance Roland?

@rolandlivings2370

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrc7478 Yep and on board a carrier that can be very frustrating, The Sea Vixen was worse because it was multirole and all weather. Both plus the lightening were a nightmare but they were new technology so everyone was trying figure out the best frequency of major overhaul, etc

@mrc7478

2 жыл бұрын

@@rolandlivings2370 were you about for the F4? American but proven airframe...

@rolandlivings2370

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrc7478 No I worked on Buccaneer S1 at Boscombe Down 65 and S2 on HMS Hermes 67 they were the latest aircraft I worked the Buccaneer by the way was brilliant from servicing point of view. I left the Navy before Phantoms came in.

I am so pleased that your side mirrors have there own personality 🎉

Keep them c6 videos coming. Glorious content.

Having spent 6 hours on my back changing a CX starter motor once upon a long time ago, I admire your fortitude with these big Citroën lumps.

Another fabulous video, been here a while and can see your getting more comfy in front of the Camera. Keep the good work up your giving me strong vibes towards a Citroën

Very nice to see some tinkering again. Though that is not the right word, and maybe what I really enjoy is watching someone suffering. But you understand your suffering, which is what makes it art, and why some of the dark profile shots made me think of Dostoevsky.

Great and informative video, the sound of the V6 C6 is sweet and as for that interior it's beautiful.

Great work... We are all looking forward to the 'on the road' episode...

This engine bay makes me appreciate my simple old Holden Apollo (well... sv21 Camry...) so much more! Amazing job (and patience)!

Great video and excellent use of the “tougher than a badgers arse”!

Spotted a C6 yesterday on the motorway wafting along. What a head turner.

What a totally gorgeous interior, nothing like a Citroën to show you how to do comfy. Soo jealous yet sooooo scared of it 😫

I used to have a Peugeot 505 in the early 80's . Lovely armchair seats, lovely ride, terrible acceleration, woeful fuel consumption, beautiful gear change. I loved that car, but way too expensive to run for someone with no mechanical knowledge.

Can I just say....what a car this is! Haven't seen any around for a long time, but it's a handsome big thing!

Loved our C6 when it was on occasion working correctly. First production car with DRL's in the UK

Well done on having so much patience and not a F Word on show, still looks a great car even by today standards.

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

That's what editing is for!

Fab video ,just seen you had been to France and you could have stayed with us for a couple of days and I could have picked your brains in return about my c6 suspension not rising 😊

I can attest to these being difficult to work on. I have a 3.0hdi c5 and did the timing belt not too long ago. Shortly after that the alternator pulley exploded sending bits of spring and ball bearings all over the place... Made a horrid noise. Other than the above it's been an absolute joy to drive, like a comfortable pair of old slippers. As preventative maintenance I also do a partial gearbox oil change when doing the yearly service.

Great video!

Great video, thanks a lot. Really watchable, no faff or fake jeopardy. You don't need the latter to make it interesting. The C6 is a wonderful looking car, great ride quality, yet everything being made these days has zero comfort. Why? We've gone backwards.

Plastic pulley that fractured a lip when pressed out - I did a bit of an experiment on 3 dead plastic idler pulleys (all from PSA vehicles, not C6's though - a 206, a 406 coupe and can't remember where the other originated from) - I have a lathe so machined off the lip on all three. However when I came to push the bearing out I found 2 pressed out ok, but the third the whole pulley plastic fractured - it turned out the bearing outer race had two groves running around the perimeter, the black plastic outer pulley had then been molded over the top (so into the groves too) - as such this one wasn't a replaceable bearing. 6203 on all three pulleys (was suffix 2RS = rubber seals - I've put in new cheapest I could find (about £1.50 / bearing off eBay) 6203 ZZ = two metal covers) but haven't put the "rebuilt" idlers into service yet. I have a similar C5 X7 "exclusive" (with related to C6 hydractive suspension) so recognise a lot of what's in shot! Only a "tiny" 2.2 HDi to to try reach round though, that V6 you have sure fills that engine bay!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Ouch! I'm lucky I didn't have that.

Such a lovely car. Don't envy you working on her tho

Squealing noises aside, that is a remarkably smooth engine for a diesel. I can see it suits the car. (Supposing someone else is paying the fuel and service bills) I didn't think I would see anything more cramped than a V6 Mondeo to work on, but this certainly qualifies!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, more cramped than a Mondeo V6 (I had an ST200 once). It does suit the car, I can see why they sold so many.

Well done 🚗🚙🚘👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Good video Rich,that job almost impossible to do without having access to a hoist,my C5 presents same problems so I don’t even try to do work on it myself,great cars but expensive.

Nice job 👏 👍

Great work! I was riveted to the screen, as usual! :-) Admitedly, I am being a complete car nerd here but I found it amusing to see the same cheapy side repeater as used on the C107GO, 1007 and even a Fiat Scudo on the top-of-the range Citroen! I replaced a pair of them on my C1 as the silver coating had disappeared... You're supposed to dispose of the whole fitting rather than replace the orange lamp (actually, the book of lies suggests you can pry it open, replace the lamp and silicone it back together). Crazy!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Standard-issue PSA side repeaters. I replaced them as soon as I got the car, as they'd gone beige!

@74HC04

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN Snap! Mine turned beige too! Glad it's not just me. They appear to be used on all of the C-cars 🙂

If you can call anything on a complex vehicle lucky, I'd say that was lucky. Standard 6000 series bearings too, who'd have thought. Good job. Thank you.

When will you set up some kind of Patreon ? Such quality entertainment needs rewarding.

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

That's really kind! I have a problem with accepting things from people, to be honest, but at the same time if there was income for the channel, I could spend more time on it. Mmm...decisions.

@426baron

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN Don't pressure yourself in making more. Making videos is hard work, so you are the one giving others a lot. I hope part of your audience would happily give something in return.

Nice video 👍

nice very nice your so lucky

on the way home from work a few years ago, i used to regularly meet a c6, not sure what engine, but was quick off the lights.

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Must have been the most basic manual version, as the auto is painfully dimwitted when the lights go green!

Because I love Citroens - the proper complicated one's not Pug clones - I love this car and would take one of these on for sh1ts and giggles - I fear I may be certifiable lol Seriously though most of what I know about cars was learned on Citroens so I'd give any of them a go

I really like these but the potential maintenance scares me off. I have 4 GS models and a Renault R10 but most of my cars are American.

I really should get one of these while they're still at least a somewhat "sensible" option, sooner or later there won't be any parts for them and prices will start going up.

@ciaranwebb6871

2 жыл бұрын

They share a lot of parts with the c5 and 407 - at least when I had a look parts arent super hard to find at the moment.

Not really one for the driveway mechanic then. I think that maybe I made the right choice when I didn't buy one a few years back. Still a fascinating car though.

Ford Territory's had that 2.7 V6 too.

About this game...i have C5 X7 and yeah. Game is always on.

Such a beautiful , rare and quirky car. How do you make a living fixing these lol? Interior is so nice , beating some German rivals!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

I don't, I fix TVRs. They're much easier!

Great video, thanks. What colour is your C6? I've just bought one in a colour called Genache and it looks very similar. Please keep the videos coming, I'm relying on you for tips when my car inevitably needs fixing - gulp

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Storm grey. I talk a bit more about it in the first C6 video.

@dave21120

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN thank you, it's also a lovely colour. I shall have to watch your first video again as I missed that.

Yeah my Airpipe was loose after a garage changed the CAM belt.. The pipe ended up rubbing on the lower pully, resulting in a hole and Turbo Pressure blowing out, black smoke and rough running. That plastic hose is like €700... :

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I screwed mine back down, then!

Weirdly this didn't put me off wanting to own one as an owner-mechanic. It all looks very conventional, just cramped. I was expecting shelves of specialist tools required and pneumatic multi-pronged vacuum suction devices to do simple things like changing the air filter. It's all just nuts and bolts which is strangely refreshing.

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, it's not specialist from the equipment needed, as such (though DiagBox is a must). It's just cramped and full of stuff, but probably no worse than a high-spec BMW or Merc.

Did you manage to buy/find the shouldered bolt for the turbo pipe and am i right in assuming the cars had a new cambelt which does explain the loose/missing bolts (is it 108,000 miles on these engines?), finally i learnt something new about the idler pulleys in that i'd always assumed the pressed steel were projection/spot welded together (manuals and other sources always replace the pulley), now I see the halves are pressed around the bearing, is there any chance of a video showing how you separated the pulley assembly?

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

I found one in my BX spares stash that did the trick. I think I cover it in a future vid. Didn't film the bearing coming apart sadly as I had to do it during a normal work day, so time was limited, but it's pretty easy. I did use a press, though.

@stevehill4615

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN thanks for the reply, was curious about the pulley dismantling as I couldn't see how the assembly was supported (did you use a C plate?) whilst using the press so it didn't distort .

Did you buy it locally to fareham? There was one probably 7-8 years ago at a dealers near new gate lane, was mega cheap at the time, I fancied it but want brave enough

@UPnDOWN

9 ай бұрын

No, it came from Reading.

Nice work on the C6 but I really liked the C4 coupe in the opening.Looking for a diesel version of this car,preferably with an auto box but can,t find a nice one.Anybody know of a good clean C4 coupe?

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

The C4 looked great. I covered it a bit more in the first C6 video. Not the best car to drive, though. A little bit style-over-substance.

Although i do love the videos on the c6 and sm please please can you do a full history video on that wonderfull bx please!!!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

The mk1? The story of me getting it?

@anthonyockelford1667

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN yes like the c6 please! I love an early bx!!

so what about the cam belt, unkown condition and age? Is that not a worry or are they for life now? Love your filming style!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

It's due in about 3 years, if memory serves. It's not got anywhere near the mileage limit, though.

@LindsayDickie

9 ай бұрын

I did mine a couple of years ago (2009 2.7 hdi in c5 x7) at about 90 k miles and the belt was fine. Worst bit of the job was the locking pin for the crankshaft was oversize snd didnt fit in the housing in the block! Had to machine a bit off the O/D to get it to fit. Aux belt tensioner disintegrated on removal so needed to get a new one. It’s supposed to have a pin fitted in the thin strap of metal up the middle of the spring to lock it compressed while being fitted. My original one was snapped off. Overall cam belt change was relatively easy job, just time consuming. Rear EGR valve change is a total pain.

are you trying to make me buy a 451k km C6 for 1450 bucks with these videos? because thats exactly what it makes me want to do

@mrc7478

2 жыл бұрын

I too would like you to buy a 451k km C6 for 1450 bucks.

@aaaabababa

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrc7478 well, there is one for sale in switzerland rn, buy it please so that i don't have to.

@mrc7478

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaaabababa oh god now I'm anxious about buying a lhd c6....

@aaaabababa

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrc7478 you shouldn't be, what you should be anxious about would be the engine, and everythign else on the car

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Do it! And then show us...

The c6 is sweet. Sm too obviously

Yes, the engine bay looks packed and with difficult access…but then look at many of the latest offerings these days and the engine access is as bad or worse! I think cars like the C6 are the last of a breed that will never be seen again! Too expensive to make and with many features that most modern drivers would not understand or even want. Shame really…. Keep driving it. There is nothing newly made like them.

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

I think modern cars are probably just as complex, in many ways, but the technology has evolved. But I do agree the C6 is probably the last of a breed.

NTN bearings 👌🏻 removable tow bar?

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't have a towbar, no.

My drive belt looks bad enough. I wish I had your garage.

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I had my garage too, but tidy.

@markjeep9415

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN haha single size garage full of stuff I can't find lol

OMG you have an SM! 😯😯😯🤣

@planestrainsdogsncars4336

2 жыл бұрын

I'm hoping your not looking for the word ''concourse'' though.. 🙂.

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Did I not mention it?

@robertsedgwick1629

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN no, no, i don't think you did 🤔🤣

I take it the car has had a timing belt replaced? It sounded like the timing belt is too tight when you revved the car with the drive belt off. It had that howling sound they do when too tight.

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

A few years ago, yeah.

A mechanic near me has a C6 manual with a blown head gasket that he doesn't want to fix Hard to fix a diesel headgasket ?

@UPnDOWN

7 ай бұрын

On a C6 2.7HDI? Well, there are two of them and I think they're likely both a complete twat to change!

Off the topic of the C6. What's happening with the Reliant Fox?

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

It's for sale on C&C. £900.

Looks like a Reliant Fix in the background?

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

A Fox, yes. The one I picked up in the BX last year. For sale now, too!

Can anyone help after a my battery went flat so much that when I recharged it the will not crank

@UPnDOWN

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like it's either a dead battery, or the battery wasn't the problem

@briandeane5671

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for replying but since then I have traced problem to the ECM the engine immobilizer is active to release it asks for the six digit code which I don't have?.

This the same engine found in Jaguar XF's?

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

It probably is, yeah. They may use the later 3.0 version, which is a bit cleaner and more powerful.

When you say 2007, I guess it's an 07 MY car that hung around and was not sold until 2009? Strangely, we bought our car new on a 59 plate, but it was built in early 2007.

@UPnDOWN

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Lots of C6s sat around unsold, so the reg doesn't tell the whole story! A true 2009 car would have (fake)chrome inserts in the door handles, and bigger door mirrors (both of which look worse, so I'm glad mine doesn't!)

Hmm, doesn't look like timing belt job is an easy one. Next to nill access.

@docchevron1472

2 жыл бұрын

It's actually not bad compared to some!

I drove one of these about 120 miles and , according to the computer , it averaged 22 mpg .

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

You did well!

@alfamonk

2 жыл бұрын

I got an average of 42ish from my 407 coupe, which is no lightweight, wonder why so different

BTW Nexxen tyres are great for these.

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

I used to put Nexen's on our family car, but they perish so quickly! 2-3 years after fitting and they were perishing already.

@fasthracing

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN To be fair as the C6 was heavy on tyres and we did 15K a year in the car they didn't really get chance to perish. Though saying that all tyres seem to perish nowadays. I have Michelin PS3's (top rated tyres) on a car and they too are perishing after 4 years. Have been advised this tends to happen when cars are not used n a regular basis.

@kevinelkins9955

2 жыл бұрын

Tried a couple of brands on her but the Goodyear F1 asymmetric were by far the quietest

2007 on a 59 plate?

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir.

A C6 and an SM - no, I wouldn't say you're nuts, not a man of your calibre!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Mmm...give it time!

My god that car does not look like fun to work on.

@MGBetts1

2 жыл бұрын

It will be brilliant once it's all working as it should though!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

It's definitely not...

Don't know if you're aware, there's an article - Cult Hero - in this week's Autocar about C6s In Buyer Beware section says belts and tensioners should be changed every 100k or 7 yrs and check thermostat housing as they can crack. Great coincidence!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

I am, cheers. Went and bought it to check it out. (Bonus XJ220 article, too)

So, it was cheap for a reason!

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

Well, that was a given, wasn't it?

You are making me want a c6. Please stop. Actually, you did right up until the tensioner turned into such a pig. But, still want. Sigh.

Is a Citroen even worth working on if its not hard work 😂

It's not a Ford engine there little to no Ford in the engine it 200% psa design used in many psa product outside Europe. Psa are not just a car company they are a huge engineering multinational corporation peugeot cutroen Matra simca This engine was purchased by J L R under as Ford had nothing to offer JLR diesel engine wise. Ford had a long standing relationship with psa diesel engines used in fiesta focus cmax mondeos pretty much every 1.6nto 2.0,diesels came from psa Ford has struggle developing there own engines at this point so people do not insult psa

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

It was a joint development by Ford/PSA. They were literally built in Dagenham! And PSA aren't anything - they cease to exist. From Wikipedia: "The Ford AJD engine was first developed as a V6 with a clean-sheet architecture and variable valve timing by Ford of Europe for its then subsidiaries Jaguar Cars and Land Rover, as well as for its partner PSA Peugeot Citroën working under the Gemini joint development and production agreement. It is called the AJD-V6 in the Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and the DT17/DT20 by Citroën and Peugeot. The engines share the same bore/stroke ratio, with the V6 displacing 2.7 L (2,720 cc) and the V8 displacing 3.6 L (3,630 cc). The V6 was launched in 2004 and the V8 in 2006. The V6 engine meets the Euro IV emissions standards. A DT20 3.0 L (2,993 cc) was added in 2009 and is based on the DT17 2.7 L (2,720 cc). The V6 is used across many vehicles, from the Citroën C5 and C6, to the Land Rover Discovery, Range Rover, multiple cars in the Jaguar range, and also the Ford Territory. To improve the engine's low-speed torque range for off-roading and towing applications, the Land Rover variant utilised a large capacity single-turbocharger, rather than use the twin-turbo design; in addition the engine is fitted with a large engine driven cooling fan to support low speed, high load driving as may be encountered in desert conditions. Furthermore, the Land Rover variant of the Lion V6 includes a deeper, high capacity sump with improved baffles to maintain oil pressure at off-roading extreme angles and multi-layered seals to keep dust, mud and water at bay and different transmission bell housing bolt pattern. The Lion V6 - constructed from compacted graphite iron[1] - is a member of the Ford Duratorq family and is produced at Ford's Dagenham engine plant; 35,000 engines were produced from April to December 2004." Enjoy :)

@planestrainsdogsncars4336

2 жыл бұрын

@@UPnDOWN Is this the ''take the flag off the screen guy''...maybe ...😉😄

@ciaranwebb6871

2 жыл бұрын

Ford absolutely had everything to do with the v6 and v8 diesels - PSA gave some design briefs I think so they could squeeze their engines on the PF3 platform but it was more an engine designed for JLR applications. JLR even brought the engine in house when ford dropped their uk diesel engine business - and the latest iterations still snap cranks apparently in things like the l405 range rover. So blame JLR / Ford for not sorting out the bloody crankshaft design for the last few decades lol.

All the cars mentioned, are all the same mechanically? Crap! 😳

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

The Discovery etc?

Never buy a Citroën no matter what !

@UPnDOWN

2 жыл бұрын

And yet, you felt the need to watch a video about one?

@ariejonker1088

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry?